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From YouTube: Filecoin Mining Community Call - May 2020
Description
On May 28, 2020, the Filecoin team hosted our second Filecoin Mining Community Call.
With segments from:
- Filecoin Ecosystem Lead Colin Evran, providing an update on the Filecoin project including an overview of our growing miner ecosystem and some of the important use cases we’re seeing emerge.
- Filecoin Founder Juan Benet delivers a presentation highlighting an introduction to Verified Clients in Filecoin.
- Jonathan Victor presenting Filecoin Discover – a project incentivizing early miners of all sizes to store valuable data from non-profits and open source projects in exchange for additional Filecoin. (Read more about it https://filecoin.io/blog/intro-filecoin-discover/).
- Ian Darrow, who demos a teaser for Testnet Incentives— with more details to come soon!
And last, but not least, Aayush Rajasekaran answered your most frequently asked questions.
Find the overview of the questions and answers on our blog at https://filecoin.io/blog/mining-community-call-thank-you/
For more information on Filecoin
- visit the project website: Filecoin https://filecoin.io/
- or follow Filecoin on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Filecoin
Get Filecoin community news and announcements in your inbox, monthly: http://eepurl.com/gbfn1n
For more information on IPFS
- visit the project website: https://ipfs.io
- or follow IPFS on Twitter: https://twitter.com/IPFS
Sign up to get IPFS news, including releases, ecosystem updates, and community announcements in your inbox, each Tuesday: http://eepurl.com/gL2Pi5
A
Good
morning,
good
afternoon,
good
evening,
wherever
you
are,
thank
you
all
for
joining
our
mining
community
call
I,
hope
everyone
is
staying
safe
during
these
crazy
times.
My
name
is
Aisha
Sharon.
Some
of
you
might
know
me
from
the
file
coin,
community
slack
and
other
forums,
but
before
we
get
started
I
just
wanna
say.
Thank
you
all
for
joining.
Thank
you
for
your
continued
support,
a
file
coin,
even
though
the
world
is
a
little
crazy
right
now,
it's
exciting
times
in
the
final
coin
project.
A
Our
main
that
launch
window
opens
a
couple
months
from
now,
so
we're
obviously
working
very
hard
on
that.
In
the
past
couple
of
weeks,
we
reset
our
test
net
test,
my
face
to
launch
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
we've
had
an
incredible
amount
of
participation,
support,
bug,
finding
deal,
making
retrieval
and
a
bunch
of
other
activity
on
the
test
network.
So
thank
you
all
for
for
sticking
with
us,
this
long
and
I
hope
you're
as
excited
as
we
are.
As
we
get
into
the
final
stretch
in
our
mining
community
called.
A
We
wanted
to
basically
give
you
a
lot
of
updates
and
answer
some
question.
Some
of
the
questions
that
miners
submitted
for
us
to
answer
we're
hoping
to
make
this
a
somewhat
more
regular
feature.
So
please
give
us
feedback,
let
us
know
if
it's
informative
and
how
we
can
how
we
can
do
better
we're
going
to
be
hearing
from
a
few
different
people.
Today,
all
from
various
five
point
genes,
we'll
have
Colin
Ian,
Quan
and
Jonathan
Victor
talking
to
us
and
then
I'll
ask
you
some
questions
at
the
very
end.
A
B
Welcome
everyone
I'm
just
so
absolutely
just
excited
to
see
so
many
participants
in
this
mining
community
call.
My
name
is
Colin
Evren
I
support
the
ecosystem,
development
on
the
falcone
project
and
I'm
absolutely
delighted
to
present
a
quick
overview
of
the
file
Quinn
project,
and
it
highlights
some
recent
ecosystem
moment.
B
So
first
I'll
touch
on
why
the
Falcon
project
exists.
Falcons
mission
is
to
create
a
decentralized,
efficient
and
robust
foundation
for
humanity's
information.
We
truly
believe
that
humanity's
most
valuable
resource
is
information
and
so
we're
incredibly
passionate
about
storing
and
protecting
that
valuable
resource
in
an
efficiently
priced
and
distributed
way.
B
Miners
first
compete
to
win
the
store,
the
storage
contract,
and
then
they
must
prove
that
they
are
storing
the
data
properly
over
time
to
retrieve
content.
A
client
will
find
a
set
of
miners
with
the
data
and
selects
the
fastest
and
most
affordable
one
to
retrieve
from
now.
Falcone
also
transforms
the
fundamental
business
case
and
cost
structure
for
what
it
means
to
be
a
storage
provider
in
2020.
What
it
means
to
be
a
storage
provider
is
a
long
list
of
things.
B
B
So
then
we
can
take
a
market
where
there's
some
dominant
cloud
storage
providers
up
top
and
really
include
all
sorts
of
data
storage
providers
to
be
able
to
provide
a
complete
to
compete
effectively
with
the
scale,
reliability
and
price
efficiency
of
the
larger
players.
The
network
also
transforms
storage
into
a
free
market
or
storage
providers
and
clients
at
the
price
instead
of
centralized
parties
and
economically.
B
The
early
use
cases
that
we
see
file,
quin,
tooling
and
the
growing
miner
community.
So,
let's
get
into
it.
The
first
early
use
case
I'd
like
to
highlight
is
decentralized
applications
and
it's
hard
to
talk
about
the
momentum
of
decentralized
applications
starting
to
build
on
file
coin,
without
first
mentioning
the
incredible
momentum
around
ipfs.
As
most
of
you
know,
foul
coin
is
an
incentive
system
for
the
ipfs
ecosystem,
and
so
the
growth
of
the
ipfs
ecosystem
naturally
leads
to
more
and
more
use
cases
for
filed
coin.
B
B
Here's
a
subset
of
the
applications
that
represent
a
bunch
of
different
categories
of
use
cases
and
we're
making
it
easy
for
these
daps
on
ipfs
to
use
file
coin
for
decentralized,
persistent
storage
and
so
I'll
I'll
just
highlight
three
of
the
very
very
many
of
ones
of
these
apps
that
are
already
integrating
file
coin
and
providing
file
clean
support
in
this
call.
So
I'll
start
with
textile
who's,
making
the
development
of
decentralized
applications
on
file
coins,
seamless
and
intuitive
textiles
power.
B
Gate
solution
is
an
easy-to-use
interface
to
store
and
retrieve
data
from
file
coin,
and
it
also
exposes
a
really
intuitive
developer.
Api.
You
can
learn
all
about
it
in
this
YouTube
video
that
Andrew
and
Aaron
just
posted
a
few
weeks
ago.
Next
fleek
is
also
adding
file
coin
storage,
support
for
its
file
storage
solution
that
currently
makes
it
easy
to
upload,
store
and
fetch
files
from
ipfs
in
a
really
easy-to-use
performant
and
familiar
way.
B
They
have
an
incredible
UI
and
we're
so
excited
that
they'll
be
providing
Phalke
win
support
for
this
product
as
well
and
finally
Haven
an
open
Bazaar
are
actually
building.
They
have
a
huge
free,
online,
decentralized,
eBay
style
marketplace.
That's
currently
on
ipfs
and
they'll,
be
integrating
foul
coin
as
a
payment
mechanism
and
into
their
marketplace
to
transact
for
goods
and
services,
which
is
really
really
exciting.
So
this
is
just
three
of
the
many
use
cases
that
we've
already
seen
to
file
coin
I'm,
so
excited
to
showcase
more
of
them
in
the
next.
B
But
for
now,
I'll
transition
to
the
next
early
use
case,
which
is
around
large
data,
sets
so
I.
Some.
Some
of
you
may
already
know
this,
but
I
I'm
always
shocked
to
notice
how
much
data
is
actually
joining
the
internet.
Every
year
today
we
generate
two
point:
five
exabytes
per
day,
including
things
like
billions
of
emails,
billions
of
whatsapp
messages,
millions
of
tweets,
climate
science,
reports,
disease
tracking
maps,
connected
car,
coordinated,
coordinates
and
much
much
more.
B
In
fact,
there
are
many
reports
on
how
the
how
the
cloud,
storage
and
data
market
will
grow
over
time,
but,
what's
unanimous,
is
that
it's
growing
by
thirty
thirty
five
forty
percent
a
year
and
will
be
many
many
data
bytes
in
the
future
and
so
file
point
is
an
ideal
solution
for
these
large
data
sets
that
are
either
too
costly
to
store
and
traditional
storage
mechanisms
or
they
need
to
be
verified.
We
also
have
really
large
data
sets
that
are
going
to
be
stored
on
file
coin.
B
A
lot
of
that
is
already
seated
to
our
file
coin,
discover
mechanism,
and
so
this
is,
you
know,
petabytes
and
petabytes,
worth
of
work
and
and
storage
that
sometimes
cannot
be.
Storage
is
stored
in
an
efficient
way
through
traditional
means,
and
so
we're
already
working
to
try
and
backup
those
systems
to
PowerPoint
other
early
use.
B
Cases
that
I
won't
touch
on
today,
but
or
working
on
actively
that
I'll
be
able
to
highlight
in
future
calls
include
backing
up
all
of
web
threes
data
to
file
coin
video
publishing,
which
we
think
will
become
a
big
big
service
on
the
network,
social
media
gaps,
games
and
game
distribution
platforms,
so
storing
virtual
world
data
and
developer
assets
like
package
manager,
registries.
In
fact,
we've
already
granted
many
many
grants
and
over
a
million
dollars
to
store
those
onto
file
coin
today.
B
So
the
next
area
I'd
like
the
highlight,
is
around
file
going
to
link.
We
have
a
kind
of
a
plan
to
have
the
various
different
layers
of
tooling
exist
on
file
coin
from
developer,
libraries,
command-line
interfaces
to
SDKs
to
products
that
the
GUI
layer
and
so
I'll
highlight
a
few
examples
that
we've
already
seen
pop
up
onto
the
file
Quintessa.
This
includes
documentation
sites,
file,
Queen,
discover
which
we'll
learn
about
in
just
a
few
minutes.
Mobile
wallets
hardware
wallets
like
ledger,
custody
solutions,
including
coinbase,
Gemini
and
Anchorage
for
token
holders.
B
Many
block
explorers,
including
file,
scanned
file,
Scout
and
Phillip
floor
and
and
mining
analysis
tools
that
allow
minors
to
analyze
what
how
their
miners
are
performing.
We
also
have
file
Queen
chain,
visualizers
and
storage
applications
that
allow
you
to
easily
store
files
using
an
intuitive
web
interface
like
the
POW
coins
storage,
prototype
that
we
have
here
all
right.
B
We've
seen
much
tremendous
community
growth
through
WeChat
and
online
platforms,
and
we've
seen
more
and
more
contributors
to
our
github
repos
we're
now
over
1200
open-source
contributors
across
our
repos
we've
also
seen
the
prior
tests
that
reach
a
peak
of
5,
petabytes
of
scale,
storage
and
35
petabytes
of
storage
waiting
to
join,
which
includes
over
a
thousand
active
miners
total.
The
current
test
that
has
already
breached
three
petabytes
in
just
over
a
week,
which
is
pretty
remarkable.
We've
also
seen
some
extremely
large
and
professional
storage
facilities
pop
up.
Thank
you
for
everyone.
B
Who's
posted
these
videos
to
Twitter
and
the
total
capacity
I
would
probably
estimate
in
the
exabytes
of
storage,
that's
ready
to
join
may
net
and
in
terms
of
the
organizations
participating.
Here's
just
a
small
snapshot
of
the
logos
and
individuals
and
organizations
that
have
been
active
on
our
slack
and
our
communities,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
conclude
this
presentation
with
a
very
heartfelt
thank
you
to
these
organizations
and
individuals
that
have
been
so
committed
to
our
file
coin
mining
ecosystem
for
years.
B
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
believing
in
our
mission
for
growing
our
miner
community
and
for
investing
in
our
test
that
to
make
it
safe
and
secure,
you're
all
helping
file
coin
become
a
reality
and
we're
so
excited
and
grateful
to
build
alongside
you.
So
thank
you
very
much
and
I'll
pass
it
back
to
Irish.
Okay,.
A
Thanks
a
lot
Colin,
it
is
definitely
very
cool
to
kind
of
take
a
step
back
and
get
like
a
high-level
view
of
all
of
the
momentum
across
the
various
projects
and
aspects
of
the
overall
pie.
Own
ecosystem,
I
think
I,
know
I
speak
for
myself
when
I
say
that
it
easy
to
get
lost
in
the
day-to-day
of
driving
the
Falcon
project.
So
it's
good
to
remember
that
there's
a
lot
of
people
working
very
hard
and
for
a
long
while
to
make
this
overall
the
success,
and
obviously
that
includes
everyone-
that's
participating
in
this
call
today.
A
C
Thank
you.
So
this
is
going
to
be
an
introduction
to
verify
clients
there's
a
lot
of
information
here,
and
some
of
it
just
are
so
being
being
worked
on
and
some
of
the
things
are
gonna
potentially
change.
So
you
know
really
take
take
everything.
I
say
here
with
a
big
grain
of
salt.
This
is
a
preview
of
work-in-progress,
a
lot
of
what
I
say
here
is
going
to
be
mented
and
it's
going
to
end
up
in
explainers
and
in
websites
and
so
on.
C
So
this
is
this
is
an
introduction,
because
there
were
a
lot
of
questions
around
this
in
in
the
prior
Q&A
and
they
wanted
to
talk
through
some
of
those.
This
work
to
give
a
bit
more
details
of
how
this
is
going
to
work.
I
noticed
a
lot
of
conversations
with
a
lot
of
different
assumptions
and
misunderstandings
of
how
how
these
mechanisms
are
meant
to
work
and
kind
of
why?
C
Why
they're
here
and
what
problems
were
they
solving
so
again
things
here
something
to
change,
but
with
that,
let's,
let's
I've
been
reinforcing
what
Colin
so
eloquently
described.
The
mission
of
Falcone
is
to
create
a
decentralized,
efficient
and
robust
foundation
or
humanities
information
embedded
here
it
is
critical
that
we're
storing
humanities
information,
and
so
this
is
what
it
is.
This
this
conversation
is
gonna,
be
all
about
it's
about
making
sure
that
the
Hoffman
Network
is
storing
a
valuable
information
and
it's
using
the
block
reward
as
a
strong
incentive
to
achieve
that.
C
C
The
key
question
is
not
do
I
trust
you.
It's
not
a
binary,
but
rather
it's
how
much
do
I
trust
you.
How
much
am
I
willing
to
trust
you
for
in
this
particular
transaction
or
engagement,
or
something
like
that,
and
if
we
can
bound
that
and
if
we
can
gain
some
understanding
or
information
about
what's
at
risk
and
what's
at
stake,
then
we
can
make
all
kinds
of
other
properties,
verifiable
and
Trust
able
and
so
on.
C
So
we
can
bootstrap
trust
in
a
sense
by
limiting
how
much
how
much
risk
there
is
in
all
kinds
of
circumstances.
So
the
the
network
is
gonna,
have
different
kinds
of
parties.
Parties
are
honest
and
just
behaving
it
according
to
the
protocol,
even
if
it's
in
in
their
their
their
worst
kind
of
economic
incentives,
sort
of
way,
then
there's
going
to
be
most
of
the
parties
who
expect
will
be
rational.
C
Definitely
try
so
in
the
important
thing
to
consider
is
that
these
parties
are
not
on
any
one
side
of
the
network.
This
includes
minors,
clients,
token
holders
partners.
All
kinds
of
groups
that
are
participating
in
in
blockchains
might
be
honest,
rational
or
malicious.
Now,
the
good
news
is
that
block
chains
work
and
and
given
given
how
how
useful
they
are.
C
We
can
bootstrap
a
ton
of
trust
based
on
on
the
idea
that
most
of
the
parties
tend
to
be
rational
and
most
of
the
parties
with
a
lot
of
power
or
influence
in
the
network
will
behave
rationally.
So
there's
problem
a
very
specific
problem
in
Plaquemine,
which
is
that
when
malicious
minors
store
fake
deals-
and
this
means
this
is
not
about
capacity
or
signaling
capacity
to
the
network.
This
is
specifically
trying
to
pretend
to
be
storing
a
deal,
but
in
reality
not
actually
storing
any
any
useful
data.
C
So
you
can
think
of
like
a
little
bit
like
this
like
there
are.
There
are
honest
deals
and
rational
deals
that
parties
may
engage
in
where
there's
a
an
honest
or
a
rational
client,
interacting
with
an
honest
or
irrational
miner,
and
of
course,
these
kind
of
you
know
can
be
matched
differently,
but
there's
a
specific
type
of
deal
that
can
create
a
lot
of
problems
where
miners
are
trying
to
gain
the
block
reward
by
just
pretending
to
be
making
a
lot
of
deals,
and
so
this
this
kind
of
problem.
C
You
know,
we've
been
thinking
about
it
for
a
long
time.
For
four
years
really-
and
we
have
explored
a
ton
of
different
kinds
of
solutions
from
highly
technical
things,
to
truly
two
options
and
and
so
on,
and
so
one
of
the
key
things
to
remember
is
again:
the
goal
is
to
store
valuable
user
data.
So
if
the
Falcon
has
some
network,
it's
not
doing
that.
Then
we're
failing
in
the
goal
and
the
important
thing
to
remember
see
the
entire
block
reward
is
meant
to
his
mental
reward.
C
This
activity,
it's
mental
reward
activity
of
storing
valuable
user
data,
so
you,
you
may
have
seen
this
kind
of
concept
floating
around
of
committed
capacity.
So
we
need
to
be
able
to
flag
to
the
network
when
a
miner
is
committing
empty
storage
to
the
network
and
make
that
very
easy
to
transition
into
into
actually
real
real
real
data-
and
this
is
very
good
like
having
a
lot
of
committed
capacity
is
extremely
good
for
the
network,
and
this
is
an
activity
we
want
to
reward
now.
C
The
goal
is
to
get
to
real
deals
where
a
miner
is
making
a
real
deal
with
a
real
client,
and
that's
that's
where
valuable
user
data
is
getting
stored,
and
this
is
exactly
you
know
that
the
main
goal
we
want
as
many
of
these
deals
as
possible.
Now
there
are
potentially
some
malicious
deals
where
a
miner
is
pretending
to
saw
a
deal
with
non
client
data,
and
this
could
be
fake
or
garbage
or
something
like
that,
and
this
is
bad.
So
we
want
to
reward
these
top
two
things:
committing
capacities
in
network
and
signaling.
C
Hey
I
have
a
lot
of
empty
empty
potential
capacity
that
could
turn
into
into
sealed
sectors
with
deals,
and
we
want
to
reward
real
deals
of
course,
and
we
don't
want
to
rework
reward
analysis
deals.
We
want
to
inhibit
those,
but
the
hard
part
is
that
we
it's
not
easy
to
detect.
What
is
a
good
deal,
real
deal
versus
emotion,
steal
and
so,
ideally,
the
reward
we
want
to
accrue
towards
real
deals,
not
not
to
not
to
say
malicious
deals.
C
Now
a
community
person
it
should
be,
it
should
be
rewarded,
but
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
would
like
to
make
a
strong
incentive
to
go
from
capacity
to
to
real
deals.
The
the
goal
of
the
block
reward,
Student
Center,
buys
the
storage
of
data.
Therefore,
we
want
to
create
a
very
strong
economic
incentive
to
go
from
committed
capacity
to
them.
Storing,
storing
users,
data
there's
a
related
problem
here
that
I
mentioned
briefly
as
something
that
that
verified
clients
can
help
with
I,
probably
won't
tie
it
together.
C
But
just
so
you
know
right
now,
with
the
bruce'll
replication
that
we
have
sealing
it
on
sealing
is
pretty
slow,
there's
all
kinds
of
optimizations
that
we're
making
and
we're
doing,
and
there
are
many
different
constructions,
some
that
are
that
are
faster
and
slower
and
so
on.
But
the
current
ones
that
we're
looking
at
are
are
quite
slow
and
so
on
stealing
from
these
and
so
being
an
expensive
and
process.
C
Now
we
need
to
prefer
application
to
be
able
to
to
have
power
in
the
network
and
to
be
able
to
to
a
portion
of
block
reward,
but
we
also
would
like
to
be
able
to
retrieve
data
quickly
and
so
there's
a
possibility
here
where
we're
verified.
Pinus
would
actually
help
with
this
as
well.
I'll
kind
of
just
mention
this
this
here
and
and
maybe
close
the
loop
on
this
in
the
future.
C
Yeah
I'll
skip
this
part
and
I'll
record
a
longer
version
of
this
talk
where
I
dive
into
integrated
grade
create
Tito.
So
now
I'd
like
to
kind
of
reflect
on
this
and
this
kind
of
trade-off
graph
for
a
moment
where
we
can
think
of
the
cost
and
profits
of
a
party
that
is
either
storing
real
deals
for
malicious
deals.
You
can
think
of
this
time
and
ceiling
and
transfer
and
the
time
value
of
money
of
collaterals
and
the
potential
loss
of
risk
and
so
on
being
offset
by
the
block
reward
and
the
deal
world
reward.
C
Any
kind
of
reward
that
comes
from
rich
people
and,
of
course,
like
the
these
things
are
not
to
scale
right.
So
the
actual
factors
and
a
lot
of
places
are
gonna
change.
The
amounts
here
a
lot,
so
it
could
be
that
actually
at
the
beginning,
which
are
increase
or
replication
ceiling
is
a
dominant
cost
or
it
could
be
that
this
time
as
a
dominant
cost.
So
so
this
is
don't
take
this
slide
or
the
scales
here
to
mean
anything
at
all.
This
is
just
illustrative
we'd
like
to
get
you
know
some
good
good,
accurate
depictions.
C
Now
the
the
the
goal
is
like
for
the
profit
to
be
just
much
greater
right
like.
Ideally,
this
is
not
a
scale,
and
this
is
not
one-to-one,
but
but
the
profit
is
just
much
much
much
greater
and
we
also
want
the.
We
want
the
case
of
storing
real
deals
to
be
more
profitable
than
the
case
of
storing
malicious
deals,
and
this
is
kind
of
what
we
have
to
contend
with.
C
The
fact
that
a
malicious
deal
could
actually
not
have
to
pay
with
the
transfer
cost
not
have
to
have
high
collaterals
or
things
like
that,
and
then
up
voids
a
bunch
of
costs,
but
then
also
doesn't
get
certain
kind
of
rewards,
and
so
we
went
when,
when
the
the
incentive
structure
makes
sure
that
rational
parties
are
choosing
to
to
store
real
deals.
So
another
thing
to
consider
here
is
is
the
kind
of
ideal
distribution
we
would
like.
We
like
ninety
percent
real
deals
and
around
ten
percent
committed
capacity,
and
you
know
ideally
cr0
malicious
deals.
C
This
probably
unrealistic
may
be
a
great
great
environment
would
be.
You
know
something
like
20
percent
capacity,
something
like
78%
real
deals
and
do
percent
malicious
feels
this.
Even
this
would
be
sort
of
okay,
we're
like
half
around
half
the
storage
is
real
deals
and
the
rest
is
sort
of
capacity
or
malicious
deals.
Now
he
starts
getting
bad
when,
when
the
distribution
shifts
this,
where
you
suddenly
have
a
lot
of
malicious
deals,
very
few
real
deals
and,
and
just
maybe
perhaps
a
lot
of
capacity,
it
gets
really
terrible.
C
When
you
have
this,
when,
when
suddenly
like,
almost
everything
as
malicious
deals,
there's
very
few
real
deals
or
capacity,
or
something
like
that-
and
and
really
you
have
a
network
that
it's
just
kind
of
totally
malicious,
and
so
the
goal
of
these
incentive
structures
is
to
get
here
to
get
to
these
kinds
of
outcomes.
So
that
kind
of
the
greater
okay
distributions
and-
and
the
important
thing
to
remember-
is
that
we
cannot
easily
distinguish
real
deals
for
malicious
deals.
C
That's
that's
a
kind
of
hard
hard
fact
of
life,
because
the
client
data
is
encrypted
usually,
and
miners
and
other
users
should
not
have
access
to
the
unencrypted
data.
The
whole.
The
whole
point
here
is
that
we
want
to
be
able
to
have
private
private
networks
where
users
are
able
to
store
a
bunch
of
data
encrypted
without
having
to
give
access
to
that
to
that
data
to
others,
and
so
this
means
that
there's
a
very
car
technical
problem
here.
How
can
you
distinguish
real
data
from
a
user
from
malicious
data?
C
That's
that's
trying
to
kind
of
cheat
the
system
and
there's
a
very
pragmatic
solution
that
looks
at
the
problem.
In
a
different
way-
and
it's
it's
actually
not
thinking
about
the
data
itself
and
instead
of
thinking
about
the
clients,
so
there's
a
layer,
two
solution
here
where,
instead
of
distinguishing
the
data
itself,
try
to
distinguish
the
clients
and
so
clients
make
deals
to
store
their
data.
Malicious
clients
or
malicious
miners
should
be
easier
to
distinguish
from
legitimate
clients
and
the
points
that
data
size
really
matters.
C
Trusting
clients
for
about
10
gigabytes
is
way
less
risky
than
trusting
them
for
10
petabytes.
You
can
trust
10,000
parties
with
10
gigabytes
and
that's
about
100
terabytes.
That's
not
a
lot
of
risk.
That's
pretty
that's
pretty
easy
to
an
easy
bet
to
make,
but
if
you
trust,
even
just
a
hundred
parties
with
10
petabytes,
suddenly
you
get
into
that
one
extra
byte,
and
that
is
a
lot
of
risk.
So
you
can
think
of
verification
of
clients
tuning
to
the
amount
of
data
storage
that
that
they
might
want
to
want
to
be
storing.
C
And
so
this
is
like
the
really
really
critical
point
here.
It's
the
question
is
not
do
I
trust
you,
but
rather
how
much
do
I
trust
you
and-
and
so
this
is
like
the
you
know,
the
main
takeaway
for
what
verify
clients
is,
is
aiming
to
do
so.
Muslims
miners
may
aim
to
make
significant
money
with
lots
and
lots
of
storage
power,
and
that
means
that
that's
easy
to
detect
easy
to
catch
and
and
easy
to
distinguish
from
legitimate
clients
and,
of
course,
the
delicious
miners
make
up.
You
know
some
a
small
percentage.
C
Then
it's
not
a
big
deal.
So
if
we
manage
to
catch
a
lot
of
parties
that
are
trying
to
do
this,
like
really
bad
thing
and
getting
a
lot
of
power
this
way
and
not
providing
a
useful
service,
then
hey,
we
we've
won
in
like
that.
That's
a
great
outcome,
so
this
like
a
like
a
simple
like
intuitive
intuitive
way.
C
To
think
about
this,
which
is
you
know,
suppose
suppose
that
you're
a
verifier
for
a
moment
moment
and
just
imagine
the
kind
of
conversation
that
you
would
have
with
various
parties
coming
coming
to
you
and
you're
trying
to
distinguish.
Are
they?
Are
they
a
malicious
client
or
a
malicious
miner,
or
they
are
rational,
client
or
they're?
Honest
client,
and
you
know
somebody
shows
up
and
says:
hey
I
want
to
sort
one-gigabyte
for
my
smart
contracts
and
well
probably
that's
that's
not
that's
not
too
bad.
C
That's
probably
it
could
be,
could
be
malicious
party,
but
you
know
it's
probably
a
irrational
or
honest
earnest
client,
but
then
suddenly
the
the
imagine.
The
conversation
goes
into.
Hey
I
want
to
sort
10
gigabytes
of
personal
data,
but
still
not
a
lot.
So,
okay,
maybe
that's
fine,
but
then
what
happens?
If
you
see
10,000
people
like
that,
10,000
parties
show
up
and
they
look
kind
of
similar
and
they
all
say
hey.
We
want
10
gigabytes
each.
Suddenly,
the
verification
is
to
get
a
little
bit
more
complex.
C
Hey,
maybe
I
need
I
need
some
proof
that
you're
truly
a
unique
user,
that
we
need
to
you're,
not
a
Sybil,
and
we
need
to
verify
some
kind
of
identity
or
something
like
that,
and
you
could
do
simple
online
kinds
of
things
like
verifying
a
client
through
their
key
base
account
or
something
like
that.
Just
just
something
simple,
whereas
hey
trusting
and
user
for
10
gigabytes
could
be,
could
be
as
easy
as
just
proving
that
there,
a
particular
user
on
Key
Basin
that
there's
an
activity
for
a
certain
amount
of
time
and
so
on.
C
C
Suddenly,
you
may
not
trust
that
that
party
and,
of
course
this
gets
trickier
and
harder
as
the
amount
of
storage
goes
up
suddenly,
if
you're
seeing
10,000
parties
asking
for
100
gigabytes,
that's
that's
more
but
hey,
maybe
their
application
developers
and
they're
asking
for
for
being
able
to
kind
of
use
the
storage
for
application
data
and
say
hey.
The
goal
is
to
to
get
a
lot
of
application
developers
around
power
point
and
we
want
to
give
them
a
lot
of
useful,
cheap
storage
and
so
on,
but
in
hey.
C
This
is
a
very
easy,
easy
way
to
check
a
lot
of
developers
and
application
developers
have
accounts
and
things
like
github
and
good
lab
and
other
kinds
of
networks
for
for
developers.
So
then
one
easy
way
to
do
it
might
be
like
hey,
show,
a
proof
that
you
have
one
of
these
accounts
and
that
those
accounts
are,
you
know,
are
active,
they're,
old
and
so
on.
That's
a
very
straightforward
way
to
do
something
like
this,
of
course,
is
the
numbers
get
larger
you
might
have
to
do
more.
C
So
suddenly
an
application
developer
shows
up
and
says:
hey
I
want
10
terabytes
for
my
application,
and
maybe
the
verifier
asks
well
what
kind
of
application
can
you
show
it
to
me?
Hey
look
it's
this
thing
called
audience
and
you
go
look
at
it.
Hey!
That's
that's
a
really
cool
application
there!
That's
that's
awesome!
Hey
this
is
seems
like
a
great
use
case,
but
hold
on
how
do
I
know
that
you
really
are
the
developer.
Can
you
verify
that
you
are
the
developer
and
then
you
know
the
other
party
could
be
like
sure.
C
Here's,
the
proof
and
hey.
That's
the
case.
We
totally
want
applications
like
this
on
Paquin.
We
can
definitely
verify
these
kinds
of
these
kinds
of
clients
and
it
doesn't
have
to
be
a
very
laborious
conversation.
It
could
be
just
as
simple
as
this.
It's
just
a
very
simple
kind
of
conversation
than
that.
The
legitimizes
who
a
client
may
or
may
not
be.
C
Then
you
can
get
other
kinds
of
things
where,
like
suddenly,
you
get
parties
that
want
a
lot
of
storage
in
the
terabytes
or
petabytes,
but
hey
you
know
what
they
don't
need
to
encrypt
it.
It
could
be
public
data,
so
things
like
the
protein
databank
or
things
like
that.
That's
super
easy
to
verify
because
saying
you
can
just
look
at
the
data
and
make
sure
that
that
it's
that
it's
that
it
starts
getting
a
little
bit
harder
once
you
get
into
into
larger
amounts
for
large
datasets
and
you
and
encryption
gets
in
the
mix.
C
So
imagine
that
a
party
comes
to
you
and
says:
hey
I
want
to
store
one
petabyte
of
large
data
sets
and
you
ask
okay:
well,
what
kind
of
dance
is
going
to
show
me
and
they
say
no
sorry,
these
are
private
encrypted
bit
assets
you're
like
okay!
Well,
you
know
a
petabyte
is
a
lot.
You
could
be
a
malicious
miner.
Can
you
tell
me
more
about
your
organization
and
they
say
yes,
where
I
JD
partners
a
law,
firm,
here's
our
website
and
then
you
look
at
the
website.
C
It
kind
of
looks
legitimate,
looks
at
some
kind
of
it
looks
real
this
there's
all
these
like
great
people
there
you
see
like
the
pro
fossil,
the
people
and
so
on
and
okay,
this
seems
legitimate.
Could
you
prove
that
you're
actually
associated
with
this
organization
and
so
on?
Could
you
prove
that
the
organization
has
history
and
so
on?
The
other
party
can
provide
proof
for
that.
Then,
then,
hey
we're
good,
so
hey!
Maybe
we
can
trust
this
party
for
a
petabyte
of
data.
C
What
what
happens
if
it
goes
up
and
maybe
the
data
amount
goes
up
and
the
parties
don't
want
to
don't
want
to
provide
proof
right,
so
maybe
somebody
shows
up
and
says:
hey
I
want
to
store
10,
petabytes
and
encrypted
data
you're
like
what
kind
of
data
can
you
show
it
to
me
like?
No,
absolutely
not
it's
encrypted.
Look
an
example
of
Isis
a
lot,
but
can
you
tell
me
about
your
organization
like
yeah
sure
we
are
a
team
of
developers?
C
Ok,
can
you
really
verify
that
you
truly
are
SEMA
developers
and
you're
part
of
the
real
student
community
like
I?
Don't
know
we're
not
gonna
verify
that
at
all,
and
so
that's
something
at
that
point
you're.
You
maybe
are
not
sure
that
these
parties
are
truly
who
they
say
they
are
maybe
they're
not
actually
seeing
developers
may
need
to
try
and
take
over
the
network,
and
so
you
in
that
point,
don't
don't
give
them
the
verification,
but
then
even
at
10
petabytes
you
might
get
a
very
legitimate
organization.
C
But
once
you
start
getting
into
a
lot
of
data,
then
you
start
getting
into
the
high-risk
zone
so
who
verifies
these
clients.
So
this
is
like
a
key,
a
key
question,
and
so
this
is
where
we
can
look
at
other
systems,
so
internet-wide
systems
today
that
are
sort
of
foundational
things
like
dns
and
TLS,
and
so
on,
use
already
register
ease,
registrar's
services
and
so
on
to
provide
a
bunch
of
different
kinds
of
of
decentralized
services
that
require
certain
kinds
of
verification.
C
Now
those
might
be
too
burdensome,
so
those
kinds
of
verifications
have
limitations,
they're,
not
programming,
friendly
and
so
on,
and
so
maybe
perhaps
we
don't
quite
want
to
do
that.
But
but
then
we
can
look
at
things
like
state
quarantine
systems
where
there
are
blockchain
systems
that
use
for
the
state
for
voting
or
even
the
consensus
or
even
groups
like
cases
who
have
you
know
a
full.
You
know
Unchained
governance
system
that
has
after
the
state-run
chain
operates.
C
So,
for
example,
ENS
uses
a
instead
of
root
key
holders
for
the
contract,
where,
if
something
goes
wrong,
the
community
has
a
whole
process
for
alerting
on
this
and
making
decisions
on
having
to
change
the
contract,
and
if
the
community
decides
to
change
the
contract,
then
these
these
parties
are
sort
of
authorized
to
go
and
make
that
change
and
the
change
they
make
is
purely
execution.
Oriented
they're
just
told
what
to
do.
They
sign
a
transaction
and
they
then
do
it
now.
C
So
look
all
of
this
stuff
is
not
ideal,
but
it
is
pragmatic,
web
3
stuff
that
works
today,
and
it
tends
to
be
a
stepping
stone
to
some
other,
more
algorithmic
solution
in
the
future
and
so
we're
looking
at
systems
like
this.
It
solve
this
like
very
really
critical
problem
without
having
to
spend
a
lot
more
time,
doing
technical
development
and
finding
more
algorithmic
deeper
solutions,
but
that
would
push
out
the
network
launch
stage
further
right.
C
So
we
want
to
launch
falcone
as
soon
as
possible,
and
so
we
need
to
have
some
kind
of
pragmatic
solution
here
to
solve
this.
This
problem
in
the
short
term.
So
in
the
long
term
we
need
a
decentralized
and
fully
distributed
network
of
verifiers
and-
and
you
know,
might
start
small
and
it
might
start
even
smaller
than
this.
But
in
the
long
term
we
want
something
that
is
properly
geographically
distributed,
and
actually
it
has
a
lot
of
verifier.
C
So,
ideally,
we
would
get
to
a
network
that
has
no
County
in
the
order
of
tens
to
hundreds
of
verifiers.
Maybe
100
is
a
really
good
name,
a
good
number,
but
but
that's
probably
not
in
the
short
term.
That's
really
more
more
long
term,
and
we
also
want
these
verifiers
to
be
able
to
understand
different
kinds
of
use.
Cases
for
for
file
points,
so
things
like
this
being
able
to
kind
of
match,
verifier
to
certain
use
cases
to
understand
how
to
verify
those
clients.
C
That
would
be
useful
and
of
course
this
can
expand
over
time
and-
and
you
know
it's
important-
that
these
verifiers
are
not
drivable,
that
there
really
trust
belen,
dependable
parties
in
the
network
that,
where
the
reputation
is
worth
more
than
more
than
drives,
so
these
are
the
kinds
of
criteria
that
we
might
we
might
choose,
but
one
very
important
piece
here
is
that
again
we
can
apply
you
a
same
principle
that
we
have
with
clients
to
verifiers.
We
can
tap
how
much
we
trust
them
for
so
again.
C
C
You
can
trust
them
to
be
able
to
verify
parties
up
to
petabytes,
but
if
they
are
kind
of
loose
and
they
maybe
have
like
a
50
percent
error
rate,
maybe
you
can
only
you
only
love
the
verify
parties
in
small
amounts,
and
maybe
you
only
give
them.
You
have
a
petabyte
or
something
like
that
to
verify,
and
so
this
kind
of
principle
of
capping
the
risk
is
what
makes
this
entire
system
system
work.
C
The
last
final
question
is,
you
know
who
who
verifies
the
very
fires,
and-
and
it's
really
you-
the
whole
point
here
is
that
this
requires
network
governance.
This
requires
discussions
and
forums,
evidences
of
breach
or
things
like
that,
and
then
at
that
point,
if
a
decision
is
made
in
a
in
a
well
governed
way,
then
you
know
kind
of
a
group
of
executives
can
carry
out
a
a
decision
to
remove
a
bear
fire,
that's
kind
of
the
way
of
thinking
thinking
about
it,
and
this
is
similar
to
how
ENS
and
I
and
other
systems
work.
C
So
you
can
sort
of
think
about
it
like
this.
There
are
kind
of
these
verifiers
and
are
verifying
clients
and
distinguishing
them
between
unverified
clients
and
verify
clients.
We
want
most
of
the
verified,
most
verification
to
be
really
easy,
and
so
clients
that
have
a
lot
of
storage
can
just
be
become
verified,
and
then
these
are
the
kind
of
transactions
that
can
happen
now.
Of
course,
a
lot
of
clients
may
still
be
unverified,
especially
small,
smaller
clients
or
some
large
clients
that
are
programs
who
can't
go
through
the
verification
process
and
that's
totally
fine
too.
C
It's
just
a
matter
of
that.
We
would
like
to
at
least
be
able
to
bound
the
risk
of
what
what
is
a
potentially
malicious
deal,
or
not
great
so
I'm
out
of
time,
for
today,
more
details
coming
soon
hope
that
helped
answer
some
questions.
We'll
turn
this
into
the
other
that
you
can
digest
and
we'll
then
later
on
turn
it
into
into
documents
I.
Thank
you
much
so.
D
I'm
Jonathan
Victor
I
am
working
on
the
Falcone
discover
project
and
I'm
gonna
actually
touch
on
a
few
things
that
they're
calling
in
Juan
brought
up.
I
think
this
actually
synthesizes
some
of
the
points
and
the
the
topics
they
were
just
bringing
up,
but
just
to
sort
of
reiterate,
I
think
it's
mandatory
for
each
presenter
to
bring
up
the
mission
statement
for
a
file
coin.
The
intent
to
file
coin
is
to
create
a
decentralized,
efficient
and
robust
foundation
for
all
of
humanity's
information,
and
so
specifically,
I
think
it's
important
to
think
about
contextually.
D
What
are
what
do
we
mean
when
we
talk
about
these
different
data
sources,
and
so
there's
obviously
like
a
lot
of
data
out
there,
but
there's
literally
as
Colin
mentioning
zettabytes
of
data
and
growing,
and
this
comes
in
a
bunch
of
different
categories.
This
can
be
AI
datasets
things
for
self-driving
cars.
D
It
can
sound
pretty
trivial
and
then,
when
you
start
digging
into
the
details,
we
start
uncovering
and
killing
back
these
layers
of
all
these
different
challenges.
And
so
specifically,
you
start
realizing.
Well,
ok,
if
I
have
these
super
large
data
sets
I
run
into
a
usability
problem.
How
do
we
both
acquire
the
data
and
then
how
do
we
put
it
in
a
form
that
makes
it
useful?
There's
a
logistic
problem.
I
have
maybe
petabytes
of
data
that
I'm
trying
to
transfer
and,
of
course
the
internet
itself
is
not
built
to
do
that
thing.
D
D
Well,
if
you
use
in
the
normal
internet,
the
cost
start
spiraling
exponentially,
not
as
mentioned
even
like
the
time
to
do
so
as
well,
and
so,
if
you
think
about
it,
the
way
that
the
Internet
is
set
up
today,
we
have
all
these
different
pipes
and
we
can
go
through
those
different
pipes,
but
actually
getting
the
data
into
the
hands
of
the
people.
Who
could
even
do
the
storing
of
that
data?
It's
quite
a
challenge
in
and
of
itself.
D
So
if
a
coin
discover
is
a
project
that
is
aimed
to
seed
falcone
as
the
home-free
manatees,
most
important
data
sets
by
actually
acting
as
the
tip
of
spear
to
unblock
a
lot
of
these
challenges.
So
specifically,
how
does
this
work
behind
the
scenes?
The
Falcon
discovered
scene
we're
working
on
various
stages
of
this
pipeline
in
order
to
enable
and
make
it
possible
for
anyone
to
actually
pick
up
a
store
index.
Large-Scale
data
sets
and
we're
doing
this
by
building
the
tools
as
we
go.
So
the
first
part
of
this
is
harvesting
data
sets.
D
This
is
from
nonprofits
open
source
projects,
even
suggestions
from
the
KT
pulling
all
these
data
sources
together.
The
second
step
is
actually
processing
it,
unlike
when
we
store
data
through
Lotus,
just
using
graph
sinker.
If
we
use
ipfs,
you
actually
have
to
build
going
to
do
the
IPL
deification,
the
indexing
and
the
generation
of
kompy's
outside
of
any
of
the
normal
tooling
that
we
have
the
step
after
that
is
actually
distributing
it.
So
sorting
out
logistics
figuring
out.
How
can
we
actually
effectively
find
and
source
miners
to
actually
participate
in
this
program?
D
And
the
last
component
is
surfacing,
which
specifically
means
actually,
after
we've
distributed
the
data
we've
been
able
to
strike
an
offline
deal
with
a
miner
be
able
to
have
that
deal
go
live
on
the
network.
How
do
we
actually
make
the
data
that
we
harvested
at
the
very
beginning
accessible
for
others
I'm,
so
for
each
of
these
different
parts
right
now?
D
This
is
something
that
our
team
is
building
in-house,
but
the
intent
and
goal
is
for
us
to
actually
as
much
as
we
can
open
this
up,
so
other
people
can
participate
in
the
future,
so
just
to
give
a
little
bit
of
a
recap,
since
our
launch,
which
was
on
May
7th,
so
not
that
long
ago,
thousand
the
the
response
has
been
absolutely
overwhelming.
I.
Imagine
it's
a
number
of
the
folks
on
this.
Call
that
actually
have
been
the
ones
participating.
D
Thousands
of
drives
have
been
pre-ordered
more
than
a
hundred
miners
around
the
world
have
offered
storage
offered
to
participate
in
this
program,
we've
had
a
number
of
organizations
reach
out
in
order
to
have
their
data,
be
stored,
théophile
and
discover,
and,
of
course,
we've
heard
tons
of
valuable
feedback
from
the
community
ways
and
improvements
or
ways
that
we
can
update
the
program
and
improvements
that
we
can
take
on
so
specifically,
today.
I
wanted
to
talk
just
very
briefly,
at
least
about
how
we've
been
responding
and
hearing
your
feedback.
D
So
the
first
is
one
had
just
mentioned:
the
the
challenge
with
verified
clients
and
verify
data.
So
one
thing
that
we
heard
from
the
community
was
as
bakwan
discover
that
the
intent
here
is
to
be
a
single
source
or
be
a
early
source
of
verified
data,
but
we
don't
want
to
be
the
only
source
and
especially
given
that
all
of
the
rest
of
this
architecture
is
being
built
out.
We
wanted
to
cap.
D
The
second
thing
I
wanted
to
flag,
is
a
number
of
folks
had
reached
out
asking
if
we'd
be
able
to
accept
alternative
forms
of
payment.
This
is
something
that
we're
actually
working
on
in
the
background,
so
we're
looking
into
ways
that
you
can
accept
bank
transfers,
including
cryptid
payments
as
well.
So
that's
something
that
will
keep
the
community
posted
on
as
we
sort
this
through
on
our
side.
D
D
I'd
like
to
just
point
you
to
our
slot
channel
Phil
discovery,
support
or
email
discover,
support
at
protocol
AI
if
you'd
like
to
participate,
feel
free
to
go
to
the
store
store
coin,
discover
file
coin,
discover
comm
or,
if
you're
interested
for
a
more
information,
feel
free
to
read
our
blog
post,
which
also
links
to
our
update
yeah.
Thank
you.
A
E
E
One
thing
that
is
very
important
to
note
that
I
want
you
all
to
know
is
that
it
is
required
to
participate
in
this
program
that
your
miner
be
set
up
to
accept,
storage
and
retrieval
deals.
So
I
know
that
we've
seen
a
lot
of
people
who
are
conducting
testing
and
you
haven't
spent
the
time
or
turn
down
their
miners
in
such
a
way
that
they
can
actually
do
storage
and
retrieval
deals.
E
We
strongly
encourage
you
to
put
in
the
time
now
to
figure
out
how
to
make
that
work,
because
you
won't
be
able
to
receive
rewards
from
the
test
net
incentives
program
without
a
miner
that
fully
functions
on
the
network.
We're
looking
forward
to
releasing
the
full
term
soon,
we'll
have
the
details,
including
timing
and
all
the
reward
amounts
in
the
next
week
or
two.
So
thank
you.
Cool.
A
Thanks
a
lot
Ian
and
I'm
sure
I
speak
for
everyone
listening
when
I
say
that
people
are
very
excited
to
be
here
for
information
all
right.
So
thank
you
to
all
of
our
speakers.
That's
all
of
the
presentations
that
we
have
for
today,
but
before
we
go,
we
did
ask
for
members
of
the
community
to
submit
some
questions
that
we
wanted
to
answer
so
I'd
like
to
go
through
some
of
the
questions
that
came
in
and
address
some
of
them
now.
A
So
the
first
question
is
we
had
and
I
think
this
might
at
this
point,
be
most
asked.
Question
in
the
history
of
humankind
is
whether
Maine
at
launch
will
take
place
on
time.
I'm
happy
to
say
yes
are.
There
were
no
updates
to
our
main
at
launch
window.
It
continues
to
be
somewhere
between
July
20th,
on
August
21st
and,
as
always,
you
can
follow
our
progress
on
our
public
road
map.
A
Someone
asked:
what's
your
progress
on
determining
how
verifiers
and
verified
clients
will
work.
So
obviously
we
got
part
of
this
information
already
today.
I
guess
I'll
say
that
for
testing
purposes,
we'll
probably
put
up
some
sort
of
faucet
just
to
have
like
from
small-scale
testing
of
verified
clients.
A
For
as
we
approach
my
net
launch,
obviously
we
hope
to
flesh
out
some
of
those
details
and
and
formalize
what
the
verification
process
will
be
like,
but
I
will
say
that
so
long
as
you
are
storing
real
data
on
file
coin,
for
an
actual
use
case,
you
probably
don't
have
to
worry
about
this
becoming
a
verified
client
should
be
easy.
That
does
our
goal.
A
So
we
had
a
question.
When
do
you
expect
the
final
specs
for
pledged
collateral
to
be
revealed?
So
we
are
continuing
to
work
on
our
crypto
economic
models.
The
mechanism
of
pledged
collateral
will
probably
stay
what
it
is,
what
we
have
live
on
test
and
face
right
now,
so
the
only
thing
that's
TBD
is
kind
of
the
actual
parameters
as
I
expect
rough
parameters
in
June
and
the
final
parameters,
probably
in
July,
as
we
approach
Maine
at
launch
itself
question
how
long
is
file
coin
test
net
phase
to
expect
it
to
test
forever.
A
We
are
we're
hoping
this
is
the
the
test
phase
that
we
intend
to
keep
live
until
until
May,
let's
launch
and
probably
after
as
well,
but
there
will
certainly
be
resets
as
we
as
we
continue
to
as
we
come
closer
to
make
net
launch.
So
I
expect
that
as
a
question,
when
will
the
test
net
competitions
smart
and
will
there
be
an
incentive
mechanism
and
Ian
kind
of
touched
on
this?
A
This
questioner
says
when
to
test
net
face
to
get
the
reward.
Has
the
detailed
distribution
mode
of
rewards
been
determined,
I'm,
not
sure
exactly
what
this
question
means,
but
I
think
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
block,
rewards
more
details
on
that
will
be
coming
out
next
week.
If
you
mean
more
about
incentives,
again,
we've
kind
of
touched
on
that
already
this
question:
how
big
is
the
possibility
of
using
NFC
in
the
official
network?
When
will
a
white
paper
on
NSC
algorithms
be
available?
A
So
this
is
a
good
time
to
say
that
miners
should
definitely
expect
that
there
will
be
proof
upgrades
over
the
life
of
the
network.
It's
not
as
though,
whatever
we
launch
main
it
with
is
what
we
stick
with
forever.
So
please
be
prepared
to
to
upgrade
to
form
for
proof
it's
to
happen
over
over
the
life
of
the
network
and
and
also
I'll
ask
for
your
support,
because
these
upgrades
are
to
improve
the
efficiency
and
security
of
the
network
that
that's
the
only
mode
of
driving
them.
So
so
just
keep
that
in
mind.
A
So
the
question
will
verify
client
deals
such
as
those
from
final
coin,
discover
or
others
help
with
the
chest.
Net
incentive
competition
know
is
the
is
a
short
answer
and
the
entire
answer
someone
asks
are
Falcone
dwarfs,
fixed,
/,
tip,
set
or
/
block.
Will
a
minor
receive
a
fixed
number
of
Al
coin
for
a
block
or
will
the
reward
be
shared
among
the
Block
in
a
chip
set?
It
is
for
a
block.
That's
what's
live
in
chess
tonight
right
now
and
that's
what
we
plan
to
launch
on
maintenance.
A
So
if
you
win
a
block,
you
will
earn
a
specified
amount
of
file
going.
It's
not
exactly
a
fixed
amount
in
that
that
amount
is
going
to
be
changing
over
time,
but
every
block
in
the
chip
set
will
earn.
The
same
amount
of
file
point
and
more
Bluffs
being
present
in
a
chip
set
does
not
affect
how
much
a
miner
will
learn.
So
it
is
entirely
per
block.
A
Someone
asked
how
many
blocks
will
be
included
in
each
chip
set
on
average.
The
number
is
the
current
number
is
five
I
believe
that's
what
we
have
on
test
net
phase
to
you
right
now,
and
that's
probably,
what
will
launch
me
net
with
five
blocks
per
chip
set
on
average,
but
it's
certainly
worth
saying
that
that
you
can
expect
you
know
far
fewer
or
far
more
than
those
we
sometimes
get
questions
with.
You
know
there
were
eight
blocks
in
this
tip,
set
with
something
broken.
Not
at
all.
That's
perfectly.
That's
perfectly
normal.
A
Someone
asked
is
the
unit
of
storage
price
per
epoch
is
file
coin.
Will
this
value
be
changeable
or
stable
because
of
the
price
wave
of
file
coin
itself?
Yes,
the
unit
is
file
coin,
and
this
value
will
definitely
be
changeable.
I
believe
that
is
a
value
that
that
a
miner
can
set
when
setting
their
query.
So
miners
are
free
to
change
that
and
we're
hoping
that
you
know
the
economics
of
the
market
will
wind
up
with
some
sort
of
equilibrium
value
that
miners
set
in
order
to
get
to
get
clients
to
make
deals
with
them.
A
As
always,
we
are
not
providing
any
hardware
recommendations
ourselves.
That
is
not.
That
is
not
something
that
we
want
to
do.
In
short,
having
said
that,
we
want
the
community
to
be
doing
that,
and
various
members
of
the
community
have
already
benchmarked
various
mining.
Setups
we've
established
some
basic
requirements:
some
minimum
requirements
at
this
point
and
people
have
lots
of
opinions
and
have
shared
lots
of
results
of
their
experiments.
A
You
can
find
that
information
on
the
Loess
website
or
just
ask
in
one
of
the
community
channels
and
I'm
sure
you'll
get
lots
of
responses
from
people
that
that
will
have
valuable
insight
to
that
question
and
someone
asks
what's
the
difference
between
32
gigabite
in
64
gigabyte
sectors.
Is
there
any
minor
mining,
64
gigabyte
sectors?
A
A
It's
probably
a
little
faster
to
compute
to
compute
the
proofs
for
your
64
gigabyte
sector,
and
so
then
you
have
only
one
sector
to
submit
or
half
as
many
factors
to
simmer
challenges
for
having
said
that,
a
sixth
row
gigabyte
sector
obviously
takes
longer
to
unseal
and
in
general,
is
going
to
require
better
Hardware,
more
space
to
seal
and
so
on.
So
it's
a
bit
of
a
trade
off,
but
that
that's
kind
of
what
the
difference
would
come
down
to.
A
If
you
can
support
64
gigabyte
sector
as
well,
you're-
probably
a
little
better
off
doing
so
so,
there's
a
question.
We
get
a
lot
as
well.
If
you
examine
chest
and
face
you
right
now
from
the
current
power
table,
the
top
three
minor
seem
to
take
most
of
the
storage
power
and
it's
a
concern
to
you.
In
short,
I'd,
say
no
in
that
the
chest
net:
really
that
isn't
about
gaining
as
much
storage
power
as
possible.
A
Some
people
might
have
just
been
better
like
super
ready
to
to
gain
as
much
power
as
possible,
but
we
still
have
huge
amounts
of
storage
power
kind
of
sitting
on
the
sidelines
waiting
to
join,
but
in
general,
the
purpose
of
test
net
is
to
be
testing
out
the
network
and
for
people
to
get
comfortable
with
file
point
as
well
as
to
find
bugs.
Obviously
so
we're
not
too
concerned
about.
You
know
what
the
power
table
of
tests
at
face.
A
Will
the
test
net
face
to
be
reset?
If
so,
when,
yes,
definitely
expect
I'd
say
expect
multiple
resets
we're
planning
one
for
as
soon
as
next
week,
probably
but
in
general,
we
are
fixing
lots
of
problems
as
I'm
sure,
a
lot
of
you
know
and
generally
making
improvements
to
to
the
implementation
code
and
we
kind
of
want
to
get
that
code
live
and
being
tested
as
soon
as
possible.
So,
yes,
we
definitely
will
be
resetting
to
sense
my
face
to
once
or
a
couple
more
times
with
the
first
one
coming
fairly
soon.
A
Okay,
that
looks
like
all
the
questions
that
we
got
thanks
a
lot
for
your
questions
and
thank
you
all
for
joining
as
well.
Like
I
said
at
the
beginning,
we're
hoping
to
do
this
semi-regularly
if
people
find
it
valuable,
so
feedback
is
very
welcome.
We'll
have
a
recording
of
this
posted
with
Madrid
subtitles
soon,
so
stay
tuned
for
that
as
well,
but
to
sign
off
I'll
say
thank
you
to
everyone
who
presented
today.
A
Thank
you
to
all
of
you
for
joining
the
call
and
thank
you
again
for
your
continued
support
of
the
file
Korn
project,
for
your
patience
for
your
questions
and
just
for
your
enthusiasm,
because
it
is
extremely
encouraging
as
we
get
into
this
spinal
final
window
as
we
approach
launch
so
take
care
stay
safe.
Everyone
have
a
good
day,
have
a
good
night
and
please
stay
in
touch
thanks
a
lot.