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A
All
right,
hey
everyone.
We
are
going
to
be
talking
about
ux
and
tech
tech
hurdles
for
artists
in
the
crypto
space.
If
you
were
here
yesterday,
you
saw
me
read
some
very
weird:
poetry,
probably
and
maybe
get
a
poetry
book
which
you
can
still
get
if
you
are
not
here,
which
also
has
an
nft
project
with
it,
but
I'm
bailey
writes
a
longtime
cryptojournalist
and
also
events
producer
and
now
crypto
poet
recently,
so
that's
cool
and
then
sasha.
Why
don't
you
introduce
yourself
yeah
hi.
B
I'm
really
interested
in
natural
language
processing
in
particular,
which
is
sort
of
combination
of
computer
science,
linguistics
and
ai.
B
That's
really
interesting
to
me,
as
a
writer,
so
playing
with
ai
tools,
to
kind
of
figure
out
how
I
can
sort
of
turbo
charge
myself
as
a
poet
and
then
extensions
of
my
work,
that
kind
of
take
those
those
experiments,
those
practices
back
into
the
crypto
realm,
so
bailey,
and
I
have
done
a
lot
of
work
kind
of
in
that
zone,
bringing
bringing
words
onto
the
blockchain
and
thinking
a
lot
about
what
it
means
to
to
kind
of
explore.
Literature
from
from
that
perspective,
yeah.
A
Cool,
so
I
wanted
I'm
going
to
tell
my
story
in
getting
to
nfts,
but
I
wanted
sasha
up
here
just
because
she's
been
in
the
space
a
bit
longer
than
I
have
in
terms
of
creating
poetry,
nfts
and
art
nfts,
but
in
so
the
nft
that
is
part
of
this
poetry.
Collection
is
just
word
nfts.
It
is
not
art
at
all
it.
A
I
made
it
on
google
slides,
but
you
know
there's
differences
in
like
font
and
color,
and
I
give
out
I
airdrop
these
nfts
to
folks
four
at
a
time
and
then
they
can
go
on
this
website.
I
wish
I
had
a
picture
of
it,
but
go
on
this
website
and
there's
holes
slots
in
the
website
that
you
can
then
put
that
nft
in
and
make
lines
of,
poetry
with
other
folks
with
the
nft.
A
That
process
in
itself
was
not
super
difficult.
I
am
not
a
developer,
so
I
had
a
developer
work
on
it.
One
of
the
things-
and
this
is
what
I
want
you
to
talk
about
as
well,
because
you're
on
tezos,
mainly
so
we
meant
it
on
polygon
just
so
it
was
cheaper.
A
You
know
so
it
didn't
cost
me
hundreds
hundreds,
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars
to
mint
all
these
nft
word
nfts,
but
one
of
the
hurdles
for
doing
that
was
that
if
you're
using
your
meta
mask
on
your
phone
to
do
this,
you
then
have
to
add
thematic
network
into
metamask.
A
So
you
know
that's
just
three
more
steps
that
people
have
to
do
and,
like
my
crypto,
newbie
friends,
were
just
like
what
the
is
going
on.
Why
do
I
have
to
do
this?
So
I
guess
like
that
is
to
ask
the
broader
question
of
what
I
guess
like
how
how
is
it
on
tezos?
How
is
it
on
boarding
people
to
tezos,
because
it
is,
you
know,
maybe
like
a
lesser
known,
blockchain
than
say,
ethereum
or
bitcoin,
which
there's
also
bitcoin
nfts.
B
Yeah
is
anyone
here
on
tezos
like?
Are
you
guys
familiar
with
it?
Yes,
okay,
see,
but
that
goes
to
show
like
it's
not
super.
Well
known,
it's
not
super
familiar,
even
though
I
think
it's
one
of
the
most
amazing
blockchains
and
actually
very
intuitive
and
very
user
friendly.
In
addition
to
being
very
eco-conscious,
it's
a
proof-of-stake
blockchain,
so
I
actually,
when
I
first
started
minting.
I
actually
started
on
ethereum
and
I
was
relatively
new
to
the
crypto
scene.
B
At
that
point,
I'd
kind
of
I'd
had
some
poetry
published
in
the
metaverse,
and
I
had
gotten
introduced
to
the
crypto
scene
through
that,
but
I
hadn't
done
a
lot
of
minting
myself
and,
to
be
quite
honest,
I
didn't
actually
have
any
crypto
at
that
point
I
was
a
you
know
a
little
bit
more
of
a
traditional
traditionalist.
I
guess
at
that
point,
so
I
started
by
trying
to
mint
a
poem
on
ethereum
and
quite
quickly
found
out
that
it
was
really
expensive
and
a
little
bit
intimidating
for
me.
B
I
think
for
that
reason,
and
because
I
was
so
new
to
the
scene,
because
you
know
I
was
a
poet
coming
into
a
a
world
where
there's
a
lot
happening
with
crypto
art,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
crypto
artists
making
money,
but
there
were
no
writers
making
money
in
the
crypto
space
really
so
for
me
to
come
in
and
spend
you
know
a
couple
hundred
dollars
minting
something
without
any
knowledge
of
whether
or
not
that
was
going
to
be
worth
it.
If
anybody
was
going
to
buy.
It
was
really
scary.
B
So
I
kind
of
quickly
decided
that
ethereum
wasn't
going
to
necessarily
be
the
right
place
for
me
at
the
beginning.
So,
but
but
rather
than
kind
of
get
scared
away
and,
like
you
know,
leave
the
scene
entirely.
I
did
some
digging
and
I
found
tazos
and
I
found
that
this
proof-of-stake
blockchain
had
really
nominal
fees
to
mint,
to
swap
to
do
all
the
things
that
I
needed
to
do
so
it
brought
the
barrier
to
entry
down
radically.
B
I
still
had
to
do
the
things
like
set
up
a
crypto
wallet
and
get
myself
onboarded,
and
that
was
a
little
bit
of
you
know
digging
and
due
diligence,
but
the
fact
that
I
could
then,
once
I
was
in
that
ecosystem.
Do
the
things
that
I
wanted
to
do:
publish
poems,
share
them
with
friends
and
do
it
for
like
pennies,
basically
was
just
that
was
such
a
radical
difference
between
the
different
approaches
between
proof
of
work
and
proof
of
stake.
B
A
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
pretty
powerful
to
be
able
to
mint
an
nft
with
nominal
fees
at
first,
so
even
the
nfts
that
I've
created
they
are
not
going
to
be
worth
anything
I
mean
I
I
wouldn't
assume
they
are
all
for
free
and
I'm
just
airdropping
them
to
people,
and
what
I
found
is
like
in
that
process
in
making
an
nft
on
polygon
with
nominal
fees.
A
C
B
B
Yeah,
I
would,
I
would
say,
yeah,
I
agree
with
that
and
I
will
maybe
as
another
example.
So
one
of
the
projects
that
I've
been
working
on
for
the
past
few
months
is
that
I've
co-founded
a
crypto,
poetry
gallery
bailey
and
I
have
talked
about
a
lot
and
it's
called
the
verse
first
at
firstfirst.com
theverseverse.com
and
I
co-founded
it
with
two
other
crypto
writers
and
we
were
all
again
sort
of
new
to
this
scene.
B
But
what
we
wanted
to
do
was
to
make
a
cross-chain
gallery
so
that
we
could
bring
poets
and
artists
and
creative
coders
together
from
ethereum
from
polygon
from
you
know,
people
that
are
using
all
these
different
blockchains
from
tazos
and
bring
them
together
and
then
also
pool
resources.
So
we
could
help
poets
who
might
want
to
mint
on
ethereum
and
do
it
in
a
way
where
they
wouldn't
have
to.
You
know
they
wouldn't
have
to
make
this
big
outlay
without
knowing,
if
they'd
make
it
back.
So
we
were
able
to
sort
of
pull
resources.
B
There
help
them
mint
with
a
little
bit
of
yeah
support
like
monetary
support,
as
well
as
moral
support
and
the
support
of
an
existing
community.
So
I
think
all
that
helps
too
in
terms
of
lowering
the
barrier
to
entry
on
that
side.
A
C
A
One
of
the
other
things
I
wanted
to
mention
in
terms
of
my
process
is
okay,
so
I
I
airdrop
these
nfts
so
like
let's
say
I
have
your
eth
wallet
right.
I
airdrop
you
the
nft.
To
do
that.
A
I
use
like
polygon
gas,
you
know
locator
and
it
says
gas
like
let's
say
the
high
fee
is
40.,
and
so
what
I
do
is
I
go
in
and
then
edit
the
gas
and
I
do
times
three
and
times
five
for,
like
men,
get
minimum
gas
and
maximum
gas,
and
that
is
it's
almost
outrageous
that
I
that
I
increase
it
to
that
amount
like
just
so
much
more
than
I
need
to,
but
it's
because
if
one
of
those
transactions
gets
stuck
and
I'm
just
turning
out
a
lot
of
transactions,
that
means
like
the
hundreds
of
nfts
I
just
dropped
are
all
stuck
now
and
I'm
gonna
have
to
end
up
like
canceling
all
those
and
losing
some
of
that
gas,
and
so
I
just
like
throw
huge
amounts
of
gas
at
the
miners,
because
I
don't
want
them
to
get
stuck.
A
B
Yeah
yeah
there
are
moments
where
I
think
you
have
to
kind
of
increase
things
that
way
and
it
helps.
But
for
the
most
part,
it's
not
really
again.
It's
never
a
huge
issue
because
the
the
costs
are
so
minimal.
B
Yeah
exactly
and
I
think
for
tezos
also,
you
know
it's
a
it's
a
blockchain,
that's
very
friendly
to
high
numbers
of
additions.
So
I
think
it's
helpful
there
too,
you
can
admit
a
bunch
of
things.
You
can
send
a
bunch
of
things
and
it's
all
pretty
cheap
and
it's
pretty
easy
and
again
it's
it's
in
my
experience
has
been
been
pretty
quick.
A
Yeah
yeah
totally,
I
guess
broad
question:
are
there
tools
that
you
wish
were
a
part
of
the
space
for
your
poetry
and
art,
nfts.
B
Well,
yes,
okay,
where
to
begin,
I
have
a
long
wish
list,
so
I
would
I
would
go
back
and
say,
first
of
all
that
I
realized
that
talking
about
poetry,
nfts,
like
this
is
a
pretty
niche
area,
but
I
do
think
that
there
is
a
huge
potential
within
within
the
publishing
world
at
large
to
really
tap
into
what's
happening
in
the
nft
world.
B
I
think
the
global
publishing
market
is
something
like
110
billion
dollars
and
then,
like
magazine
publishing,
is
like
I
don't
know
another
80
billion
or
something
like
that,
and
there
really
isn't
much
movement.
I
think
so
far
in
terms
of
what's
happening
in
publishing
or
what
could
happen
in
publishing
via
blockchain.
B
So
I
think
it
is
definitely
worth
thinking
about
how
to
get
more
folks
from
those
industries
to
come
into
the
these
ecosystems,
and
I
think
you
know
there
is
there's
a
lot
to
be
learned.
It's
almost
like
learning
a
new
language
for
a
lot
of
people.
I
think
that
you
know,
especially
when
you're
talking
about
the
publishing
world.
The
stereotype,
which
is
true
to
a
large
extent,
is
that
it's
fairly
antiquated
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
maybe
are
scared
of
the
idea
of
getting
a
crypto
wallet
and
you
know
using
technology.
B
So
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
I
really
you
know
wish
is
that
there
were
a
little
bit
more.
You
know,
resources
to
kind
of
help
them
understand
and
reduce
the
intimidation
to
get
involved
in
this
space.
You
know
angled
specifically
towards
them.
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
resources
to
onboard
artists,
and
then
you
know
there
aren't
as
many
for
for
folks
like
in
my
world,
so
I
kind
of
had
to
figure
that
out
for
myself
and
kind
of
figure
out
what
could
you
use
an
nft
for
as
a
writer?
B
So
I
think,
as
we
kind
of
continue,
it's
a
matter
of
developing
more
of
those
resources.
So
that's
that's
one
thing,
but
you
know
to
kind
of
to
kind
of
like
veer
over
more
into
the
logistical
and
the
technical.
I
think
again,
there
are
a
lot
of
you
know,
a
lot
of
writers
who
would
really
like
to
get
involved
and
would
like
to
mint
their
own
works,
but
maybe
don't
quite
know
if
they
should
do
it
on
a
platform,
because
there
aren't
really
many
platforms
that
are
dedicated
to
writers.
B
I
wish
that
I
had
you
know
better
a
better
way
to
do
my
own
smart
contract,
and
there
are
now
more
ways
to
do
that,
but
figuring
out
those
kinds
of
really
technical
details
as
someone
who's
coming
from
more
of
a
literature
and
language
background
and
not
coming
from
a
coding
background,
not
coming
from
a
computer
science
background
or
anything
to
me,
it's
it's
a
little
daunting
to
think
about.
How
do
I
create
my
own
smart
contract
and
deploy
it?
B
So
I
think
again
like
resources
to
make
those
things
very
user
friendly
that
are
purpose
built
for
for
things
like
publishing
a
zine
or
publishing
a
book
or
publishing
a
poem.
There
aren't
really
any
that
are
custom
built
for
those
end
usages.
Quite
yet
that
I'm
aware
of-
and
you
know
there
are
some
that
are
in
development,
so
we're
beginning
to
see
some
changes
there,
but
those
are
yeah.
Those
are
a
few
that
I
would
that
I
would
think
of
off
the
top
of
my
head.
What
do
you
think?
What
are
you?
A
Yeah,
I
think
resources
is
an
interesting.
It's
an
interesting
suggestion
and
the
guy
from
gala
games
was
also
talking
about
this.
There's
sort
of
this
narrative-
and
I
do
not
mean
to
like
reign
on
anybody's
parade
education
is
key
but
like
there's
so
many
people
who
say
like
education
is
key,
but
but
yet
it's
like
people
have
to
one
be
willing
to
learn
to
think
they
can
learn
and
to
also
have
time
to
learn
and
like
if
you're
just
there
is
educational
content
out
there
for
like
everything,
but
it
doesn't.
A
A
So
that's
like
one
thing
and
then
ultimately,
like
yeah,
we
can
say
like
it's
easy
to
transact.
Gas
fees
are
low,
yada
yada,
but
it
still
is
very
scary
to
do
these
kinds
of
things
and
just
hand-holding
people
through
it
is
like
super
helpful.
So
if
somebody
comes
up
to
you-
and
it's
like
how
do
I
mention
nft
like
in
my
mind,
don't
send
them
to
an
article
just
show
them
if
you
know
how
to
do
it,
just
show
them.
A
You
know,
and
that
that
takes
time
and
I
get
it,
but
that's
the
easiest
way
to
do
it,
because
even
if
the
article
says
press
the
button,
it
is
intimidating
to
press
the
button
when
you're
talking
about
crypto
and
because
crypto
is
money.
So
yeah.
B
I
agree,
and
I
think
yes,
I
think
you
know
I
I
personally
have
talked
to
a
lot
of
poets
who
are
more
from
the
serious
literary
side
of
the
world
and
they're
really
interested
in
the
possibility
of
selling
poems,
because
you
know
it's
not
a
great
surprise
to
anyone.
Poetry
is
not
a
lucrative
profession.
It's
it's
pretty
much
impossible.
I
can
speak
from
experience
to
make
a
living
as
a
poet
I
mean,
even
if
you're
selling
a
collection
of
poems
you're
not
really
going
to
make
anything.
B
If
you,
if
you
place
a
poem
in
a
magazine,
you're,
either
going
to
do
it
for
free
or
maybe
make
10
or
20.
So
I
think
there's
a
real
interest
from
a
lot
of
poets
to
figure
out
how
to
do
this,
so
they
can
actually
make
the
work
they
want
to
make
and
support
themselves,
and
I
think
it's
really
important.
You
know
to
empower
writers
to
do
that,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
voices
that
are
not
being
heard
in
the
traditional
publishing
system
and
that
are
not
being
heard.
B
You
know
in
in
the
world
of
poetry
now,
so
I
think
it's
really
important,
but
at
the
same
time,
a
lot
of
the
poets
that
I've
talked
to
will
just
kind
of
you
know
when
I
say
well,
what
do
you
think
about
making
an
nft
of
your
poem?
They
kind
of
look
at
me
and
they're
like
well.
What
what
would
that
even
be
like?
What
do
I
have
to
do?
B
Would
it
literally
just
be
like
me,
making
a
pdf
of
this
and
then
putting
it
online
somewhere,
and
I
think
another
level
of
this
kind
of
hand
holding
in
education
is
to
is
to
think
and
talk,
and
you
know
workshop
with
writers
about
what
what
a
literary
nft
could
be.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
a
pdf
of
something
it
could
be
an
interactive
website.
It
could
be
a
never-ending
poem
that
changes
every
time
you
access.
You
know
the
nft
in
your
wallet.
B
It
could
be
something
that
plays
with
the
metadata
that
plays
with
the
hash
or
there's
lots
of
different
things
that
it
could
be,
and
I
think
that's
something
that
most
writers
don't
know
anything
about,
and
once
they
start
kind
of
getting
a
little
peek
into
that
world.
They
get
super
excited
about
it,
but
until
someone's
there
to
kind
of
bring
them
over
and
show
them,
it's
not
really
going
to
happen.
So
I
agree
with
you.
I
think
yeah.
B
A
lot
of
that
kind
of
one-on-one
work
is
good
and
actually
that's
what
we're
doing
a
lot
about
the
at
the
verse
first,
at
this
poetry.
Gallery
too,
is
you
know,
instead
of
having
traditional
poetry
workshops
where
we're
you
know,
journaling,
and
all
that
like
we're
having
workshops
where
we're
actually
on
boarding
writers
in
in
the
world
of
web3
literature
and
publishing
so
yeah,
I
think
it's
just
sort
of
continuing
to
do
that
and
build
out
those
kinds
of
programs
right.
A
Yeah
yeah,
we
have
just
a
couple
minutes
I
feel
like.
We
haven't,
really
talked
about
anything,
but
we've
talked
about
so
much,
but
I
want
to
keep
going,
but
I
wanted
to
open
it
up.
If
there
are
questions
like
please.
Let
me
know:
yeah,
okay,.
C
So
my
question
is
a
lot
of
what
we're
seeing
in
nfts,
like
the
art,
is
kind
of
an
anchor
that
a
bunch
of
other
stuff
hangs
off
of
like
membership
in
a
group
or,
like
the
holder,
gets
access
to
bonus
content
that
kind
of
stuff.
Are
you
seeing
poets
thinking
about
it?
That
way,
and
are
they
coming?
Are
poets
introducing
new
ways
of
doing
that
that
the
artists
are
going
to
copy
from?
Do
you
want
to
go.
B
Yes,
they're,
starting
to
I
mean
again,
like
the
poetry
community,
I
think,
generally
speaking,
is
very
small
but
growing,
but
we
are
starting
to
see
people
who
are
doing
things
like
using
using
a
token
as
a
subscription
for
for
an
nft
zine,
for
example,
or
starting
to
think
about
using
a
token
as
access
to
a
poetry,
festival
or
a
poetry
party.
So
I
think
things
like
that
are
starting
to
happen.
It's
it's
still.
B
B
You
know
you
can
you
can
think
about
it,
as
you
know,
being
someone
who's
bringing
together
communities
and
creating
you
know,
hybrid
events
where
you
can
think
about
exhibiting
alongside
artists,
you
know
taking
a
poem
you
know
out
of
out
of
the
realm
of
pure
literature
and
actually
taking
a
poetry,
nft
and
exhibiting
it.
You
know
in
crypto
voxels
in
a
in
a
cool
art
museum,
or
something
like
that.
B
So
I
think,
there's
lots
of
ways
to
take
yeah
to
take
like
that
notion
that
and
that
a
poem
is
like
this
one
thing
and
and
turn
it
into
many
many
other
possibilities
and
yeah.
It's
it's
starting
to
happen,
but
we'll
we'll
see
a
lot
more.
I
think
happen
over
the
next
few
years.
A
Yeah-
and
just
to
add
on
to
that,
I
mean
that's
somewhere
that
I'm
thinking
about,
because
I'm
not
trying
to
at
least
right
now,
I'm
not
trying
to
like
number
go
up
my
nfts.
I
want
them
to
be
more
like
collaborative
creation
or
just
like
collaboration
with
other
folks
and
so
yeah.
The
idea
that
somebody
has
these
word
nfts
that
I
created
and
then
can
like,
pin
those
poems
that
they
create
to
ipfs.
It's
like
okay.
What
can
I
do
with
that
now
right?
A
B
Yeah
I
mean
your
project
has
been
so
fun.
I
mean
I
I've
had
such
a
great
time
playing
with
it,
and
it's
not
necessarily
a
way
that
I
would
have
necessarily
thought
about
writing
poetry
on
my
own,
but
the
fact
that
you've
now
enabled
me
to
interact
with
other
poets
through
this
through
this,
like
little
ecosystem
that
you've
created,
I
think,
is
really
exciting
and
who
knows
where
that
will
lead.
I
think
it's
bringing
a
lot
of
poets
together.
B
D
B
They
rallied
influencers.
It
was
actually
an
initiative
started
by
someone
named
digital
art,
chick
who
some
of
you
may
have
heard
of
who's,
a
big
big
influencer
in
the
space,
but
she
kind
of
rallied
all
her
friends
around,
and
it
really
turned
this.
You
know
this
rather
modest
selection
of
nft
poems
into
a
major
event,
and
it
became
a
big
deal
it
sold
out
in
less
than
10
hours
and
every
poet
who
is
involved
in
that
collaboration
is
now.
A
Totally,
I
would
just
mention
the
group
ambition.whatthefuck.wtf:
they
have
a
project
called
the
worm.
This
is
not
poetry,
and
I
you
know,
I
don't
even
know
if
they'd
call
it
art
really,
but
you
are
disciples
to
the
worm,
it's
sort
of
like
religious
iconography
kind
of
stuff.
Although
it's
a
worm
and
the
the
nft
is
just
one
nft
that
moves,
but
when
that
nft
moves
it
leaves
a
hologram
in
the
wallet
that
transacted
it.
So
you
still
have
an
nft.
A
You
just
have
the
hologram
nft
and
I
think
that's
like
that's
pretty
interesting,
because
it's
you
know,
I
don't
want
to
give
away
the
worm
right.
I
want
the
worm
nft,
but
it
allows
me
to
collaborate
with
other
folks
because
I
know
I'm
going
to
get
the
hologram,
so
people
will
still
know
that
I've
had
the
worm
and
the
ambition.
A
Crew
is
just
they're,
really
they're
innovating
on
smart
contracts,
instead
of
just
the
art
or
the
poetry
or
the
yada
yada
like
they
are
in
in
the
trenches
innovating
on
the
tech
and
so
definitely
check
those
folks
out
but
yeah.
I
think
that's
all
the
time
we
have.
If
anybody
wants
a
poetry
book,
there's
the
qr
code
to
scan
and
get
some
get
some
nfts
I
have
to
manually.
Do
it
that's
another
tech
hurdle?
Is
I
have
to
manually?
Send
them
one
by
one.
B
Should
all
ask
bailey
for
one
of
these
books,
they're,
really
amazing,
they're,
all
kind
of
hand
done
with
these
amazing
tech
details
or
little
bits
of
e-waste
that
she's
repurposed
into
this
handbound
book,
so
they're
really
special.
I
would
highly
recommend
you
pick
one
up.
I
would
also
recommend
if
you'll
indulge
me
for
one
second,
I
have
a
book
coming
out
next
month.
Actually
it's
called
technology
and
it
ties
together
with
my
crypto
practice.
If
you
are
interested,
it
should
be
available
on
amazon
next
month
and
ray
kurzweil
likes
it.
B
So
you
might
like
it
too
and
that's
it.
Thank
you
so
much.