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A
A
Great
to
be
here,
jv,
why
don't
you
tell
me
about
yourself
little
introduction.
B
Yeah
well
thanks
j
chris
yeah,
so
my
name
is
john
jb.
I
work
at
protocol
labs
on
nft
storage
and
web3
storage.
I
lead
a
lot
of
our
bd
work,
especially
around.
How
do
we
make
nfts
more
resilient
by
storing
them
on
ipfs
and
falcon,
maybe
to
return
the
favor
so.
A
A
I
work
on
nft
storage
on
our
product
and
for
me,
the
big
thing
that
excites
me
that
wakes
me
up
every
morning
to
like
turn
the
knob
to
make
it
better
is
creating
products
that
are
going
to
make
developers
lives
easier
and
make
it
super
exciting
to
like
get
into
this
new
ecosystem
and
then
like
beyond,
that
coordinate
our
efforts
so
that
people
build
higher
quality
software
and
people
who
are
using
and
buying
a
trading
and
excited
about
nfts.
You
know
have
the
experience
that
we'd
all
like
them
to
have.
B
Awesome
yeah
well
maybe
to
get
into
it.
So
I
think
for
this
discussion
we
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
like
the
evolution
of
nfts,
where
we
think
they're
going,
but
maybe
just
to
start
I'd
love
to
hear
if
you
have
any
retrospective
thoughts
on
like
how
did
we
get
here?
Where
do
you
think
we've
been.
A
Okay,
so
this
is
one
of
those
it
doesn't
happen
very
often
in
tech
or
any
other
new
breakout
like
cultural
thing,
but
it's
one
of
those
deals
where
people
are
picking
up,
nfts
they're
adopting
them.
The
culture
is
like
outpacing
the
infrastructure.
So
then
people
like
me
and
the
engineers
I
work
with
are
trying
as
hard
as
we
can
to
keep
up,
and
I
mean
it's
super
fun.
A
B
Yeah
I
mean
it
was
funny.
I
think
I
saw
a
tweet
from
openc
the
other
day
about
how,
with
nfts,
we
now
have
more
nfts
like
at
this
period
than
like
websites
did
when
google
launched,
and
so
there's
this
interesting,
like
analogy
of
like
the
engineering
scale,
challenges
if
you're
trying
to
build
something.
That's
just
like
how
do
I
even
know
what
are
all
the
nfts
that
are
out
there.
We're
now
like,
hitting
actually
like
really
interesting
internet
scale,
questions
which
are
like
non-trivial
to
solve.
B
I
guess
I'm
curious
for
like
maybe,
if
you
have
any
thoughts
or
reflections
here
as
well,
so
like
nft's
like
been
around
for
a
little
bit
at
least
but
really
like
burst
into
the
scene
like
over
the
last
year
and
some
change,
and
so
I'm
curious
if
any
reflections,
even
just
thinking
about
previous
tech
trends.
If
there's
any
parallels
you
see
between,
like
maybe
the
dot-com
era
and
nfts
anything
there,
that
maybe
is
like
instructive
of
how
we
might
think
about
how
the
space
might
evolve.
A
Well,
tim
o'reilly
said
that
you
wouldn't
really
get
the
web
to
be
interesting
until
after
a
crash.
A
You
know
that
may
be
true
here.
Most
nfts,
like
we
just
talked
about
there's
millions
of
them
they're
trying
to
web
scale
challenge.
That's
not
millions
of
you
know
board
apes
selling
for
40
ether
pop,
that's
millions
of
nfts
that
are
selling
for
a
gas
price.
If
that-
and
I
think
eventually,
our
perception
of
the
space
will
flip
to
where
we
realize
most
nfts
are
those
ones
that
are
valuable.
Only
in
aggregate
they're
not
worth
a
hundred.
A
With
regard
to
what's
interesting,
I
think
that's
pretty
neat
to
me
to
make
a
market
in
that
it's
for
me,
it's
like
kind
of
an
antidote
to
the
crypto
finance
world.
It's
all
the
cultural
people
who
are
coming
in.
B
Yeah,
I
mean
one
thing
that
sort
of
strikes
me
is
like:
there
was
a
period
in
the
dot-com
arrow
where
it
was
like
these
are
dot-coms
and
that's
like
the
interesting
feature
and
now
the
way
that
we
think
about
tech.
There's
like
health,
tech,
fintech,
whatever
it's
like
sub-segmented
and
people,
think
about
them
in
distinct
ways.
And
I
wonder
if
that's
like
a
direction.
Nfts
are
going
to
potentially
go
in,
and
I
think
that
may
be
a
question
about
like
some
of
the
technical
improvements
where
today
there's
a
bunch
of
limitations
on
the
infrastructure
side.
B
A
Right,
okay,
so
if
they
are,
these
ordinary
objects
like,
if
nfts
become
the
way
that
we
just
do
normal
stuff
on
the
daily
basis.
People
talking
about
nfts
would
be
like
like
if
you-
and
I
were
sitting
up
here.
Talking
about
objects
like
objects
are
so
neat,
they
have
like
extension
and
mass,
and
they
persist
through
time
like
no.
We
don't
talk
about
that,
because
we're
used
to
it
right
so
like
nfts,
are
going
to.
D
B
Yeah,
I
mean
it's
interesting
if
we
think
about
like
other
technology,
even
like
paper
like
way
back
in
the
day
having
a
book
was
like
a
really
big
deal
like
having
a
library
was
like
this
unique
feature.
Only
the
richest
people
had,
and
now
it's
like
super
commonplace,
there's
a
bunch
of
books
right
over
there.
We
used.
A
To
be
really
into
urls
right,
you
used
to
be
like
this.
Url
is
an
rss
url,
I'm
so
cool,
and
now
you
know
nobody
really
talks
about
them
like
that.
Again,
I
think
that's
going
to
be
the
transition
we
go
through
and
when
we're
on
the
other
side
of
it
we'll
get
to
see
you
know,
or
rather
when
we're
on
the
other
side
of
it,
people
who
aren't
really
paying
attention
now
are
going
to
be
like.
Oh,
these
nft
things.
Those
are
normal.
B
Well,
I'm
curious
if
you
have
any
thoughts
on
like
what
stops
us
going
so,
especially
now.
I
think
there's
like
a
little
bit
it's
in
the
culture,
it's
in
the
zeitgeist,
the
fact
that
we're
having
this
conversation
right
now,
what
stops
us
from
actually
getting
to
the
world
where
it's
actually
not
interesting,
because
it's
an
nft,
it's
just
like
a
way
of
doing
something
like
digitally
like
how
does
it
actually
get
to
that
end?
State
that
we're
talking
about
like
baby.
A
Steps
like
the
first
person,
you
know
who
it's
probably
already
happened,
right,
vitalik's
dream,
finally
coming
true
of
getting
to
buy
a
game
object
in
this
game
and
sell
it
in
another
game.
So
as
people
are
doing
that,
then
they're
not
going
to
care
that
it's
an
nft
they're
going
to
care
that
they
were
able
to.
You
know
connect
with
the
people
in
that
other
game
or,
like
you
know,
reform
their
wow
guild
over
in
this
other
game
or
whatever.
C
C
A
Before
and
that's
all
speculative
and
that's
what
this
audience
is
for.
B
Are
there
any
do
you
have
any
thoughts
on
just
even
from
a
practical
side?
I
know
there's
like
so
I
mean
we've
talked
a
lot
about.
How
do
we
make
the
storage
side
easier?
I
think
there's
the
other
aspect,
which
is
just
even
for
average
people
I
think
about
my
parents
and
like
when,
when
they
get
their
first
ton
of
tape,
how
do
we
make
sure
that
that
is
a
safe
and
secure
experience
for
them?
B
A
A
But
that
doesn't
mean
there's
not
value
for
all
the
self-custody
and
decentralized
capabilities,
because
that's
what
allows
us
to
build
fractionalization
and
defy
on
top
of
nfts
and
that's
what
allows
us
to
claim
that
they
have
value
right.
No
one's
really
get
that
excited
about
selling
video
game
objects
that
are
actually
owned
by
the
video
game
vendor.
A
B
I
mean
yeah
when
I
think
about
web3.
A
lot
of
it
is
just
about.
Do
we
have
the
ability
to
exit
and
whether
you
choose
to
like
take
that
exit
is
something
that
is
maybe
like
your
personal
choice,
but
without
having
the
choice
and
it's
like
not
actually
living
up
to
like
the
basic
principles,
and
I
think,
even
from
like
a
user
experience
side,
and
maybe
this
can
dovetail
into
a
different
question
of
like
how
do
you
think
the
world
sort
of
evolves
with
the
different
chains
that
are
like
being
built?
B
We
have
people
who
are
minting
nfts
on
tezos,
ethereum,
solana
and
obviously
like
even
from
like
a
technical
level
that
now
makes
it
slightly
complicated,
where
it's
like.
You
have
three
different
wallets
that
are
holding
three
different
sets
of
nfts.
Do
you
have
any
thoughts
on
like
how
that
might
get
better
for
users,
how
the
future
sort
of
evolves.
A
A
And
this
like
very
kind
of
like
chains
as
religions
thing
seems
like
what
happened?
Was
the
culture
absorbed
what
it
meant
to
be
like
a
bitcoin
maximalist
and
then
said.
A
C
C
A
Is
going
to
become
normal
and
we're
still
like
grasping
in
the
dark
for
those
metaphors
of
what
does
it
mean
for
to
trade,
an
nft
with
somebody
who,
where
the
one
you're
getting,
is
on
a
different
chain
from
the
one
you're
starting
on
and
technically,
we
could
solve
all
that.
But
how
do
you
put
that
in
users
hands
in
a
way
where
they
don't
forget,
step
three
or
whatever.
B
Yeah,
I
mean
the
two
things
that
sort
of
stick
out
to
me
thing
number
one
is
someone's,
probably
gonna
build
a
super
wallet
which
is
like
you
can
load
up
all
the
different
things
and
somehow
like
be
able
to
like
interface
across
those
and
make
that
nicer.
The
other
is
maybe
this
is
where
the
sub
segmentation
of
nfts
comes
in,
where
it's
like.
B
You
may
be
not
willing
to
move
your
board
a
for
crypto
punk
across
like
outside
of
ethereum
or
wherever,
just
because
there
may
be
introduced
risk,
but
if
you're
playing
a
game,
maybe
there's
something
that
makes
more
sense
in
that
frame.
I'm
curious.
Are
there
any
specific
use
cases
you
can
think
of
where,
like
cross-chain
nfts
seem
like,
obviously
like
the
right
like
they
will
evolve
in
that
way
where
it's
like.
I.
A
A
A
B
Yeah,
I
guess
that
also
leads
to
another
interesting
question
of
other
infrastructure,
where
it's
like.
If
you
move
things
across
chains,
how
do
you
actually
maintain
that
provenance
and
be
able
to
say
like
this
is
this?
Is
the
history
of
that
object
from
like
when
it
was
an
e-plan
to
salona
land
or
whatever
else.
A
B
A
Let
me
just
think
I've
got
a
buddy
who's,
an
environmental
conservationist
and
what
he
does
is
uses
machine
learning
to
detect
tiger
sharks
in
the
background
of
youtube
videos,
the
tourist
post
from
their
scuba
adventures,
and
he
doesn't
he's
not
just
like
using
them
to
say
like
oh
you
know,
st
bart's
has
lots
of
tiger
sharks.
He's
saying,
like
bob.
A
The
tiger
shark
went
to
that
island
on
that
day,
and
then
he
was
on
that
island
on
that
day,
and
so
the
same
software
now
they're
adapting
it
for,
like
other
charismatic
megafauna
drafts
and
whatnot,
and
so
if
this
giraffe
can
be
tracked
in
a
passive
way,
then
we
can
make
it
into
an
nft
and
people
can
sponsor
that
giraffe
or
that
eagle.
And
then,
when,
like
the
eagle,
you
know,
goes
hunting
and
you
know
grabs
a
salmon
or
something
that's
going
to
be
the
that
nft.
A
You
know
maybe
like
eats
the
nft
that
corresponded
to
the
salmon
right
and
if
you
think
that
that
line
out,
I
think
it
allows
all
sorts
of
objects
or
you
know
things
that
we
treat
as
objects.
You
know
in
the
past
to
be
treated
as
agents
in
the
future
and
have
people
root
for
them.
You
could
be
on
team
salmon
or
team
eagle
or
things
that
are
crazier
than
wildlife
conservation
via
video
games,
but
tracking
objects
and
their
interactions
over
time
with
skin
in
the
game.
I
think
that's
what
I
think.
B
I
sort
of
think
about
is
just
like
what
are
nft
or
like
what
are
different
ways
of
thinking
about
what
an
nft
actually
captures,
or
it
could
also
just
be
like
an
nft,
is
like
an
assertion
or
it's
like
if
you
want
to
say,
like
john
said
something
about
chris
and
here's,
some
metadata
around,
that,
like
an
nft,
is
actually
that
as
well,
and
so
when
you
think
about
like
certifications
of
like
who
is
like
giving
you
like
your
university
degree
or
like
high
school
diploma,
but
it
could
be
a
bunch
of
other
things
as
well.
B
B
The
other
way
is
like
the
digital
object
side
of
it,
where
I
guess,
before
nfts
and
like
really
crypto
in
general,
did
we
ever
have
digital
bearer
objects,
where
it's
like?
Here's
a
thing
where
you
walk
up
to
a
website
on
the
web
and
bring
data
with
you
and
then
that
just
kind
of
opens
an
aperture
for
like
a
bunch
of
other
rails.
B
That
can't
really
exist
today,
even
inside
of
like
finance,
I
think
about
like
bonds
and
like
could
every
like
corporate
bond,
be
an
nft
and
like
that,
then
just
like
forwards
payments
to
whoever
the
holder
is
they
can
like
fractionalize
it
send
it
to
other
people
really
feels
like
we've,
like
underexplored,
all
the
different
ways
that
this
could
go
totally.
A
To
go
back
to
your
certifications
example,
I
think
it's
absolutely
true.
You've
got
like
proof
of
attendance
protocol
and
the
online
achievement
tokens
and
a
bunch
of
things.
In
that
vein,
the
way
I
like
to
imag
imagine
the
value
coming
from
is
like
we're
already
tracking
my
aws
solutions.
A
Architect,
certification,
like
I,
don't
really
have
a
problem
with
that
being
tracked,
but
if
nfts
can
lower
the
friction
for
that
kind
of
interaction,
then
the
attendance
in
ft
for
today
or
for
like
a
random
meetup
on
a
tuesday
night
in
a
small
tech
market
right
like
with
a
presenter
who
has
you
know
middling
credentials,
doesn't
matter
like
that?
Nft
is
gold,
because
that's
who
I
want
to
hire
is
somebody
who
goes
to
all
those
like
tuesday,
night,
meetups
and
stuff.
A
B
I'm
curious,
if
you
have
any
so
sort
of
building
off
of
that,
I'm
curious
if
you
have
any
thoughts
about
like
the
privacy
implications.
I
think
one
way
that
we
can
get
excited
about
all
this
information
living
on
chain
is
that
there
is
this
like
thing
that
becomes
this
immutable
source
of
truth.
I
think
an
undervalued
part
of
the
real
world
is
that
you
have
the
ability
to
like
selectively
represent
to
whoever
you
want
like.
These
are
the
experiences
that
I
wish
to
share,
or
it's
like.
B
I
don't
necessarily
want
to
show
the
world
like
here's,
the
poem
of
every
event.
I've
gone
to
like
there's
things
I
may
want
to
like
in,
like
private
context,
reveal
and
public
context
reveal.
Do
you
have
any
thoughts
on
like
how
that
potentially
gets
improved?
Are
there
ways
that
we
can
improve
privacy
on
like
the
blockchain?
For
that.
A
It's
a
tough
problem
because
I
think
that
doing
the
blockchain
to
be
the
most
blockchainy
blockchain
is
at
odds
with
being
you
know,
the
most
private
and
so
the
zero
knowledge
proofs
will
go
a
long
way
but
like
building
a
merkle
tree
on
zero
knowledge.
Proofs
is
different
from
the
merkle
trees
we
do
today.
If
I
could
like
selectively
blind
90
of
the
bits
in
my
profile,
you
know
for
most
users.
A
C
A
A
Go
with
an
example
of
I
mean.
First
of
all,
nfts
are
so
different
from
like
fund
flows
in
the
way
we
think
about
them
and
now
we're
running
them
on
the
same
rails.
So
that's
gonna,
but
like
nfts,
you
wanna
claim
it's
like,
or
at
least
maybe
you
have
an
online
persona
that
wants
to
claim
it.
You
wanna,
like
pin
those
nfts
to
an
identity
and
finance
may
be
different,
so
we're
going
to
need
to
think
about.
You
know
how
those
what
does
online
profiles
mean
to
us?
I
think
it's.
D
B
Well,
I
mean
that
I
guess
maybe
goes
to
this
other
question
I
have,
which
is,
I
think
today
you
get
like
a
pretty
strong
bifurcation
in
how
people
think
about
nfts.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
folks
who
get
really
excited
about
the
promise
of
what
these
tools
can
do,
even
just
as
like
a
funding
mechanism,
and
then
you
get
the
other
half,
which
is
probably
an
amalgamation
of
like
a
bunch
of
different
concerns.
Some
of
them
are
like
environmental
concerns.
B
Some
of
them
are
just
about
like
our
nft
is
just
scams
and
to
be
fair
to
some
of
those
criticisms,
I
think
on,
like
the
scam
side,
there's
definitely
people
who
do
run
scams,
and
so
I'm
curious,
if
you
have
any
thoughts
on
how
does
the
space
change
like?
How
does
public
perception
sort
of
get
to
that
point
where
this
is
like
just
acknowledged
for
the
thing
that
it
is
it's
like
an
object
like
a
digital
object.
B
A
Okay,
there's
an
open
question.
I
don't
know
the
answer.
Nobody
knows
the
answer.
I
think
it
would
have
to
be
like
the
fifth
circuit
court
of
appeals
it
decides
or
whatever,
but
if
I
make
an
nft
that
points
to
somebody
else's
artwork
and
I'm
very
clear
about
that,
am
I
you
know
like.
Let's
say
I
use
the
canonical
url
for
abort
ape
and
I
make
an
ft
that
points
to
that.
Url
is
that
copyright
infringement
trademark
infringement?
A
What,
if
I'm
very
clear
that
I'm
just
this
is
I
made
nfts
of
my
favorite
bookmarks
they're,
not
supposed
to
be
special
than
that,
so
if
they
are
just
digital
objects,
then
doing
that
would
be
no
problem
as
long
as
I'm
clear
about
what
I'm
doing,
if
like
the
state
or
law
or
whatever
wants
to
imbue
that
link
with
additional
significance.
That's
probably
what
we'll
learn
in
the
courts
in
the
next
few
years.
B
A
C
Yeah,
what
would
be
what
would
like
really
excite?
You
obviously
we're,
seeing
and
today
we're
going
to
hear
from
a
lot
of
people
who
are
kind
of
working
now.
What
what
we
would
say
is
the
fringe
of
nfts,
but
you
know
what
what
kind
of
like
creative
use
cases
and
also
human,
like
you,
you
could
attach
to
on
human
rights
as
well
like
what
kind
of
like
in
your
dream
scenario
like
what's
next
like.
Where
can
we
kind
of
put
our
efforts
collectively
and
where
should
we?
A
There's
the
hard
problems
that
we
identified
around
privacy
and
identity
like
it's.
I
might
be
super
proud
to
make
this
nft
tied
to
my
identity
when
I'm
a
teenager
and
then
not
want
to
do
that
at
all
25
years
later,
and
if
we
solve
that
problem,
we
solve
some
of
these
other
hard
problems.
I
think
just
guessing
on
how
the
technical
mechanisms
would
work.
A
So
for
me,
that's
a
big
one
like.
How
can
I
and
I
don't
think
that
it's
an
easy
one
either.
I
think
that
it
goes
all
the
way
to
the
way
wallets
and
chains
are
organized
like
we
were
talking
about
earlier,
but
until
the
culture
like
digests.
The
fact
that
this
wallet
that
you're
messing
with
is
not
anonymous
and
like
is
a
complete
record
of
everything
that
you've
done
with
it.
A
People
are
gonna
onboard
into
the
crypto
world,
do
all
this
stuff
and
then
be
like
oops,
and
so
it's
that's
just
gonna
have
to
happen,
and
it's
people
who
learn
that
lesson
are
gonna
start
demanding
the
better
products,
and
hopefully
there
will
be
enough
of
like
the
industry
to
meet
that
need
and
come
up
with
something
that
might
look
very
different.
B
Yeah
I
sort
of
get
vibes
of
like
early
social
media
where
it
was
like
people
would
put
everything
online
and
then
there
there
was
like
a
moment
where
people
sort
of
flipped
like
wait
a
minute.
Is
this
really
the
thing
I
want
to
do?
I
think
the
thing
that's
slightly
different
is
it's
not
like
there
is
a
I'm
going
to
go,
wipe
all
my
stuff
off
the
facebook
button.
It's
like!
Oh
gosh.
I
can
like
try
to
like
disassociate
myself
from
this
address,
but
that
may
still
be
there
and
angie's
question.
B
I
think
the
things
that
I'm
kind
of
excited
for-
and
I
would
hope
we
see
more
of-
is
even
more
shorter
term.
It's
just
like
one
different
ways
of
constructing
nfts,
so
I
don't
know
if
folks
are
familiar
with
like
harbinger
taxes,
but
just
different
ways
that
you
can
think
about
how
does
an
nft
transfer
and
how
can
an
nft
be
used?
B
You
can
actually
tell
that
it's
like
linked
to
that
cause
because
it
was
issued
from
the
right,
smart
contract,
but
there's
a
way
that
it's
not
just
like
a
one
and
done
where
you
just
donate
once
there's
a
consistent
funding
stream
that
can
come
behind
that
and
then
that
can
actually
be
channeled
for,
like
actual
social
good,
and
I
think,
like
nfts
is
like
a
proof
of
donation
is
incredibly
powerful.
Even
now
like
twitter
and
other
tools
that
will
like
do
integrations,
which
now
you
can
link
to
show
like
verifiably.
This
has
happened.
A
For
sure,
a
very
short
term
question
right,
like
I
want
to
find
real
world
use
cases
not
that
they
don't
exist,
but
like
there's
other
ones,
we
haven't
messed
with
for
transferable
membership.
Like
a
lot
of
these
nfts
get
used
to
make
me
part
of
a
club,
and
then
I
can
sell
it
to
somebody
else,
and
I'm
not
part
of
that
club
anymore.
B
Yeah
totally
great,
I
was
actually.
I
think
this
is
one
of
the
interesting
ideas
of
like
things
that
we
typically
think
are
like
one
and
dones
can
you
like
have
recapturable
value,
where
it's,
whether
it's
like
a
membership
into
like
soho
house
or
something
else
or
like
restaurants
or
whatever
the
idea
that
you
can
like
buy
in
resell?
I
think
you're
totally
right,
hopefully
we'll
see
more
of
that,
because
I
think
it
also
reclaims
in
a
form
just
like
what
is
our
ability
to
like
own
stuff
in
the
web.
B
I
think
it's
funny
that
sort
of,
as
things
have
digitized
more
we've
moved
to
this
model
where
people
are
like,
oh
well,
everything
should
sort
of
be
rented,
whether
it's
like
your
spotify,
like
playlists
or
whatever
else,
and
the
real
question
is
like.
Is
that
actually
like
the
perfect
balance,
or
was
it
that
the
digital
world
was
easier
in
some
forms?
But
like
now,
there's
like
more
of
a
spectrum
that
we
want
to
bring
back.
A
B
D
Nfts
being
able
to
depict
or
show
like
first
say
your
college
diploma
or
something
like
that
or
your
credentials
and
like
the
frictionless
action,
is
that
I'm
thinking
like
the
legitimacy
of
the
blockchain?
Do
you
think
that
that
will
also
kind
of
have
some
sort
of
influence
on
the
progression
of
that?
Because
it's
like
say
we
want
to
do
something,
but
we
can't
do
it
on
ethereum,
because
the
gas
prices
are
so
high.
So
if
we
create.
D
Oh,
this
is
a
new
blockchain.
This
is
a
new
wild
that
we
gotta
get
like.
So
what
are
some
of
the?
I
guess
like
workarounds,
for
something
like
that,
because
it
sounds
dope
like
being
able
to
hire
someone
based
off.
Oh,
you
went
to
that
event
and
you
started
here.
You
did
that
and
not
having
to
worry
about
if
they
live
on
their
resume.
You
know
so
there's
something
I
thought
about.
A
When
you
said
that
gas
prices
are
too
high
and
a
lot
of
people
really
want
to
solve
that
problem,
so
I'm
hoping
the
market
works
it
out
and
then
we
can
just
like.
Let
it
go,
but
your
other
part
of
the
question
is
like
one
of
the
solutions
is
alternate
chains
and
each
chain
is
kind
of
a
socially
constructed.
A
You
know,
pool
of
trust,
and
so
that's
going
to
be
chains
are
going
to
have
to
have
awareness.
The
same
way.
Brands
have
awareness.
If
I've
never
heard
of
your
chain,
then
I
might
not
trust
it,
but
I
think
people
are
going
to
get
used
to
the
mechanisms
right.
Eventually,
we
might
have
like
a
thing
where
some
chain
turns
out
not
to
be
trustworthy,
but
we
haven't
even
seen
that
yet
so
most
times
you
say
it's
on
a
chain
people
believe
it.
B
I
think
there's
also
a
little
bit
of
a
workaround
which
is
like.
I
don't
think
it
has
to
be
a
binary.
I
think
you
can
have
a
little
bit
of
a
spectrum
here,
so
I
think
like,
like
imagine
your
university
just
says
like
hey.
This
is
our
smart
contract
on
like
the
eath
chain
on
polygon,
wherever
else
and
then
like.
B
If
someone
wants
to
verify
a
credential,
they
could
go
to
any
of
those
networks
and
they
could
just
see
that,
like,
yes,
it's
been
validly
issued
by
the
right
like
entity,
and
so
I
think
that
might
be
like
a
workaround.
I
think
until
we
have
some
sort
of
consensus
about
like
these
are
the
main
chains
that
everyone's
going
to
use
forevermore.
I
think
it's
a
little
too
early
to
know,
but
between
some
of
the
scaling
solutions
then,
hopefully,
some
of
that,
like,
like
yeah
manual
effort,
we
can
get
somewhere
closer.
A
There's
also
going
to
be
a
lot
of
lower
friction
that
comes
from
off
chain
nfts,
which
I
think
of
as
being
like
a
personal
l2
like
I
might
make
a
thing
and
sign
it
and
sign
it
over
to
you
and
you
sign
it
over
to
somebody
and
like
some
people
along
that
path
might
check
that
into
a
chain,
and
it
doesn't
have
to
be
all
of
them,
and
then
you
might
be
like
left
validating.
B
A
Questions
about
nfts
and
sustainability,
but
sustainable
for
what
oh
for
one
of
one
artist.
That's
a
super
good
question.
That's
what
I
I
mean
I
make
nfts
to
like
play
with
the
tech
so
that
I
know
what
people
are
doing
and
I
end
up
making
a
lot
of
you
know
just
one-off
things,
and
I
don't
know
right
because
if
you
look
at
the
marketplace,
the
pfp
craze
was
really
about
like
being
able
to
bandwagon
onto
some
existing
awareness
and
whatnot
there'd
be
other
anytime.
A
You
do
a
collection,
then
you're
gonna
be
able
to
kind
of
like
do
that.
Motion
and
people
understand
what
it
is
and
they're
getting
in
the
club
or
something
I
think
for
one
offs.
It's
gonna
be
like
the
gallery
scene,
there's
gonna
be
curators
and
right.
Buyers
are
gonna,
wanna,
look
at
more
than
one
thing
and
maybe
they'll
come
in
via
an
artist,
but
that'll
be
like
the
artists.
A
B
Just
as
a
part
of
like
how
do
you
enable
some
of
like
the
social
value
capture
that
can
happen,
and
I
think
the
cool
part
about
nfts
is
it's
like
private
ownership
for
public
consumption,
and
so
it
still
gives
you
a
way-
and
I
think
ric
had
a
really
good
set
of
tweets
about
how
he's
made
more
money
selling
nfts
than
he's
ever
made
streaming
music
because,
like
there's
a
handful,
a
very
small
sliver
of
like
very,
very,
like
eager
buyers
and
his
fan
base,
who
are
willing
to
like
give
him
capital.
B
So
he
can
continue
pursuing
his
work
and
I
think
to
me
that's
like
hopefully
the
goal
for
most
of
arts,
where
you
can
have
like
some
patrons
that
really
want
to
help
support.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
like
an
individual
patron.
It
could
be
a
dow.
It
could
be
many
things,
but
I
think
that's
how
that
evolves,
and
really
the
cool
thing
here
is
all
these
platforms
are
open.
A
There
will
be,
I
think,
all
you
know,
assuming
you
get
the
promotion
right.
People
are
buying
your
stuff,
the
artists,
I
know
who
have
been
in
nfts
for
a
while.
It's
the
residual
royalty
splits,
that's
different
from
their
other
income,
and
for
them
it's
not
even
necessarily
a
ton
of
money.
It's
just
wow
cool.
I
forgot
I
made
that
painting
and
somebody
bought
it.
You
know,
so
it's
a
good
connection
for
artists
to
have
with
their
work.