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Presented by:
Ramita Amine, Developer, Maintainer, Youtube-dl
Sergey M. Developer, Mantainer, Youtube-dl
Abby Vollmer, Director of Platform Policy & Counsel, GitHub
Gabriela Ivens, Head of Open Source Research, Human Rights Watch
Join us for a discussion with maintainers of the youtube-dl project, as well as Human Rights Watch, one of the many organizations that relies on the code for socially beneficial use, moderated by GitHub Policy. We’ll dive into maintainer best practices, interesting project use cases, and how developers can help shape policy making to support the open source community.
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A
B
D
Hi,
I'm
gabby.
I
work
as
the
head
of
open
source
research
at
human
rights
watch,
an
international
ngo
that
investigates
and
reports
on
human
rights
abuses
around
the
world,
and
you
may
have
heard
the
word
open
source
in
my
job
title.
So
I
just
wanted
to
clear
this
up
that
this
relates
to
another
kind
of
open
source
which
is
open,
source
information
information
that's
publicly
available
rather
than
open
source
software
and
hardware.
A
B
First
of
all,
I
would
like
to
briefly
describe
describe
what
actually
youtube
dl
is
about,
for
those
who
may
never
heard
of
it.
Basically,
youtube
dl
dl
is
for
download,
is
a
media
downloader
with
lots
of
options
and
wide
range
of
supported
sites?
Yes,
the
spice,
despite
its
name,
it's
not
only
for
youtube,
but
for
the
most
popular
media
services
like
youtube,
email
and
so
on,
as
already
mentioned
by
ib
youtube.
B
B
B
You
may
probably
notice
many
times
when
youtube
deals
stops
working
for
some
reason.
Simply
updating
it
magically
fixes
the
problem,
but
there
is
actually
no
no
major
happens
here,
but
rather
someone
have
just
written
a
patch
and
fixed
version
was
released.
Another
quite
important
challenge
is
an
overall
project.
Maintenance
strategy
under
the
limited
manpower
conditions
being
quite
popular
youtube,
deal,
received
an
enormous
number
of
issues
and
two
requests
to
deal
with.
B
So
there
is
always
a
compromise
for
us
on
what
features
to
fix
as
soon
as
possible
and
what
we
can
delay
or
even
not
fix
at
all.
What
changes
do
we
merge
and
not
to
merge
yet
and
so
on?
Reviewing
the
code
is
also
a
little
bit
harder
comparing
to
regular
software
projects,
because,
besides
actually
reviewing
and
checking
the
code
itself,
we
also
have
to
inspect
and
check
whether
the
extraction
algorithm
is
correct
or,
if
it's
possible
to
do
better
and
so
on.
B
We
also
deal
with
answering
questions
and
emails
and
do
basic
support
all
on
our
own.
All
of
this
brings
us
to
another
compromise
on
how
to
achieve
maximum
productivity,
keeping
the
quality
on
decent
level
and
minimize
our
efforts
at
the
same
time,
but
all
these
challenges
eventually
come
with
solid
experience
you
receive.
That
is
basically
the
main
benefit.
As
for
developer,
for
me
personally,
developing
youtube
deal
with
my
skills
significantly,
especially
on
the
early
stages
of
involvement
in
youtube
deal.
It's
also
a
great
responsibility.
B
It's
also
a
great
opportunity
for
me
to
touch
a
lot
of
different
areas
like
media
delivery,
internals
of
streaming
protocols,
reverse
reverse
engineering,
and
many
more
I
would
like
I
would
have
probably
never
touched
at
my
mind-
job
as
c
passport
developer.
So
basically,
that's
it
and
now
world
to
amin.
I'm
pretty
sure
he
has
a
lot
to
it.
A
Yeah,
that's
a
really
good
point
about
websites
constantly
evolving
their
design
and
apis
and
and
so
for
tools
that
rely
on
those
structures
like
youtubedl.
You
know
needing
to
keep
up
with
those
changes
is
really
important.
So
I
I
agree.
You
know
your
point
about
it's
not
just
magic.
Obviously
somebody
needed
to
make
a
patch
and-
and
you
guys
work
really
hard
to
do
that.
I
mean
we'd
love
to
hear
your
perspective
as
well.
C
For
me,
the
the
challenge
generally
have
to
do
with
the
time
constraints
and
working
with
users.
First,
there
is
a
huge
number
of
requests
and
contributions
and
not
enough
time
to
keep
up
with
all
of
it.
Besides
having
other
things
to
take
care
of
and
other
projects,
I'm
either
working
on
or
interested
in
also,
users
tend
to
forget
that
we
are
volunteers
in
the
projects
and
they
expect
us
to
respond
to
every
message
fulfill
every
request
and
review
every
request
and
so
on.
But
this
is
simply
not
within
our
capability
bigger
requests.
C
At
any
rate,
there
are,
there
have
been
many
positive
aspects
to
working
on
the
project
and
also
getting
supports
and
help
from
people
all
around
the
world,
since
the
project
was
created.
14
years
ago,
so
I'd
like
to
thank
everyone
who
helped
in
any
way
for
the
benefits
I
got
working
on
youtube
here.
A
That's
great
and
I
think
the
point
you
made
about
people
forgetting
that
maintainers
are
often
volunteers
really
is,
is
a
common
challenge
across
a
lot
of
projects,
and
I
can
imagine
for
for
this
one
in
particular,
it's
so
popular,
and
you
both
mentioned
how
much
you
know
how
many
issues
will
request
this
kind
of
thing
you
get
so
again.
Thank
you
thanks.
D
So
I
go
frame
by
frame
in
videos
looking
for
clues,
and
I
need
a
locally
hosted
copy
to
do
this,
and
also
a
locally
hosted
copy,
also
is
essential
for
me
to
apply
strategies
to
reduce
the
impact
of
viewing
distressing
and
graphic
content,
which
really
only
work
with
an
offline
copy,
and
so
because
of
this
I
use
youtube
dl
every
day.
In
my
work,
I
use
it
to
download
content
and
I
use
the
tools
functionality
to
download
videos
in
the
highest
quality
available.
D
So
it's
also
a
really
exciting
entry
tool
to
introduce
to
human
rights.
What
human
rights
researchers
who
are
completely
unfamiliar
with
the
terminal,
and
because
of
this
I
can
then
introduce
other
terminal
based
tools
so
yeah.
This
is
how
we
use
youtube
dl
every
day
in
our
work-
and
I
just
want
to
echo
the
thanks
for
inviting
us
on
this
panel
and
also
for
all
the
youtube
dl
contributors
who
make
this
possible.
A
That's
really
fascinating
all
of
the
ways
that
this
tool
in
particular
helps
your
work
and,
I
think
a
surprise.
There
was
the
the
fact
that
you're
able
to
use
that
teach
you
know
the
kind
of
the
gateway
to
the
terminal.
That's
a
really
cool
side
side
benefit
for
that.
So
I'm
curious
to
know
you
know,
I'm
sure
sergey
and
amin
are
also
aware
of
some
interesting
applications
of
the
code.
A
B
B
But
I'd
like
to
mention
couple
of
my
favorite
ones,
the
first
one
I
especially
like
is
using
youtube
deal
for
educational
purposes
for
research
and
academic
pursuits.
As
you
might
probably
know,
lots
of
researchers
rely
on
large
data
sets.
Processing
and
large
media
data
set
protesting
in
particular.
Obtaining
such
data
sets
may
be
quite
challenging
task.
That's
why
many
researchers
uses
youtube
deal
as
a
tool
for
that,
as
it
allows
to
automate
it
easily.
B
There
were
many
researchers
that
used
youtube
mail
for
that
purpose.
Ranges
from
from
detection
of
pirated
video
re-uploads
on
youtube
to
some
recent
and
quite
relevant
researches
on
covet
19.,
the
real.
There
is
also
another
quite
interesting
application
of
youtube
deal.
I
would
like
to
share,
and
I
actually
learned
about
it
not
so
long
ago
I
have
got
an
email
on
that
right
right
after
the
takedown
happened.
I
may
be
wrong
on
some
details,
but
basically
there
is
a
special
mobile
alike
device
for
rehabilitation
of
visually
impaired.
B
Among
other
features,
this
device
affords
gaining
access
to
the
information,
for
example,
to
listen,
audiobooks
or
listen
audio
of
youtube
videos,
so
that
obtaining
of
an
audio
url
by
this
device
is
powered
by
youtube
deal
in
the
back
end.
So
it's
quite
amazing
how
youtube
can
be
used
in
seemingly
unexpected
places
and
how
it
may
have
a
social
impact
and
significance,
even
in
indirect
fashion.
B
A
A
Also,
a
really
interesting
application,
a
great
well
now
we've
talked
a
bit
about
the
project.
I
think
it
could
be
good
to
shift
a
bit
to
the
reinstatement.
I'd
actually
be
interested
to
hear
from
all
of
you
on
this
one.
How
did
you
navigate
the
takedown?
Well,
first,
let's
do
it
sergey,
and,
and
I
mean
how
did
you
navigate
the
takedown
and
reversal
as
maintainers
of
the
project
serving.
B
C
Yes,
after
receiving
the
dmc
take
down,
I
thought
the
removal
of
the
code
could
affect
not
only
other
parts
of
the
ut
of
the
but
other
projects
as
well.
So
we
trade
to
make
every
possible
effort
to
ensure
that
the
project
would
continue,
and
here
I
want
to
mention
eff's
help
that
has
been
crucial,
especially
their
legal
advice,
and
I
would
like
to
thank
them
and
also
thank
github
for
reinstating
the
project
and
taking
a
good
direction
with
their
new
policy.
A
Thanks
yeah-
and
I
also
would
like
eff
for
working
with
us
to
better
understand
the
code
eff
if
our
listeners
aren't
all
aware
of
electronic
frontier
foundation
and
provide
legal,
provides
legal
advice
to
the
maintainers
here
so
well,
I
mentioned
gabby.
I
know
you're
impacted
as
well.
You
mentioned
use
this
tool
every
day,
so
I'm
curious
from
your
perspective.
D
We
use
tools
that
weren't
necessarily
built
for
the
purpose
of
human
rights
research
and,
unfortunately,
we're
super
used
to
them
getting
sunsetted
going
behind
paywalls
no
longer
working
anymore.
However,
if
something
happened
to
youtube
dl,
I
think
that
would
be
truly
devastating
for
our
work
and
the
reason
that
youtubedl
is
so
irreplaceable.
D
So
it's
with
this
in
mind
that
that
led
me
and
colleagues
at
human
rights
watch
to
contact
eff
and
other
companies
involved
to
write
something
that
would
show
the
importance
of
this
tool
for
human
rights
research
and
bring
together
every
other
human
rights
organization.
We
knew
that
uses
this
tool,
which
is
pretty
much
all
of
them.
A
That's
all
really
important
to
understand
and
actually
quite
relevant
to
github's
policy
work
advocating
for
developers.
It's
a
good
lead
into
my
last
question,
actually
because
github
does
and
will
continue
to
take
a
stand
for
developers,
but
no
matter
what
we
do
to
protect
developer
rights.
We
do
need
to
work
within
the
boundaries
of
the
law
and
in
this
case
the
dmca
rules
happen
to
be
under
review.
A
D
B
I
think
I'll
just
summarize,
I
appreciate
a
lot
github's
efforts
to
stand
up
for
developers
as
well
as
I
highly
welcome
changes
made
in
the
review
process
for
claims
based
on
dmca,
section
1101,
and
I
really
hope
changes
made
already
at
github
sites
and
potential
changes
in
the
law
itself
in
future
will
probably
make
it
easy
for
developers
to
deal
with
the
mca.
Thank
you
so
much.
A
Thanks
yeah,
these
are
all
really
useful
perspectives
for
github
to
be
able
to
take
forward
as
we
fight
for
developers
on
policy
issues,
and
I
have
to
say,
the
law
behind.
This
is
all
quite
complicated,
but
our
objective
is
to
put
developers
first
and
whether
that's
documenting
human
rights
abuses,
making
the
internet
more
accessible
or
even
going
beyond
this
particular
project
learning
to
code
or
doing
security,
research
or
working
on
infrastructure
that
powers.
A
The
cloud
we're
here
to
make
sure
developers
can
continue
to
engage
in
global
collaboration
to
maintain
and
improve
projects
that
make
a
difference
in
people's
lives.
And
I
think
this
one
was
a
really
interesting
one
to
focus
on
where
you
know
we
talked
about
how
it
started
in
spain
many
years
ago,
and
it's
you
know.
A
Github
learned
a
lot
too,
and
I'm
really
appreciative
that
we
were
able
to
reinstate
the
youtube
dl
project,
but
also
very
grateful
to
have
this
conversation
with
sergey
and
amin
who
are
maintainers
of
this
incredible
project.
Also
gabby
representing
one
of
its
really
vital
uses-
and
I
think
you
know
all
the
conversation
we
had
here
today
really
was
quite
insightful,
and
I
hope
that
you
know
I
learned
a
lot
and
I
hope
everybody
else
learned
a
lot
too.