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Description
Zellij is an open source, Rust-powered terminal multiplexer with additional functionality for users to create a personalized environment. At 1 pm ET, we're chatting Aram Drevekenin to learn more about how it works and why he created it.
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We
went
on
a
little
bit
of
a
unplanned
Hiatus
for
maybe
like
three
four
weeks,
but
y'all
could
probably
tell
like
the
background
that
I
have
changed,
because
I
moved
and
I
didn't
have
internet
for
forever,
so
I'm
really
glad
to
to
be
back
and
just
get
a
chance
to
chat
with
you
all
and
with
other
maintainers
I
really
miss
doing
this
feel
free.
In
the
oh
yeah
Laura
said
she
missed
open
source.
A
Fridays
me
too
feel
free
to
like
type
in
the
chat
where
you're
calling
in
from
or
where
you're
viewing
in
from
I
love
to
see
like
how
expansive
the
developer
Community
is.
But
it's
not
all
about
me.
Today's
guest
is
the
maintainer
of
I,
actually
didn't
double
check
the
pronunciation
I'm
assuming
it's
zelich
or
zelly
J,
but
our
guest.
They
will
correct
me,
feel
free
to
introduce
yourself.
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A
B
Hello,
everyone,
I'm
Aram
I'm
the
Creator
and
lead
maintainer
of
zelage,
that's
the
pronunciation
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge.
It's
like
based
off
a
Moroccan
like
a
word
and
as
far
as
I
asked
native
speakers.
That's
how
to
pronounce
it,
but
hopefully
I'm
not
making
any
mistakes
and
yeah
I
am
a
full-time,
open
source,
developer,
I'm
full-time
on
the
Village
and
yeah.
B
A
B
Yeah
good
question:
zelage
is
a
type
of
Mosaic
which
was
like
the
original
code
name
of
the
project
and
we
sort
of
were
developing
developing
it
in
the
open
before,
like
officially
it
being
ready
or
publishing
it
anywhere.
And
when
we
wanted
to
publish
it,
then
we
found
out
that,
unfortunately,
the
name
Mosaic
was
taken
up
virtually
everywhere.
B
So
we
looked
up
a
little
bit
and
we
found
the
name
zelich
and
for
for
those
quick
at
like
looking
it
up.
You'll
see
like
very
beautiful
images
of
like
tile
work
and
in
mosques
and
and
things
like
that
and
I
found
it
very
beautiful
and
it
also
kind
of
served
as
a
metaphor
of
like
what
the
project
is
with
all
the
different
terminal
windows
and
applications
running
inside
and
I
found
it
pretty
cool.
So
that's
the
name.
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I
love,
that's
a
really
great
background
of
how
you
come
up
came
up
with
that,
and
then
someone
had
said.
How
do
you
spell
that
so
I
put
up
the
the
link
to
the
GitHub
right
here?
So
if
y'all
wanted
to
check
out
the
repo
you
only
you
get
the
you
get
the
repo
and
the
spelling
and
then
someone
else
also
wondered
the
same.
Earth
was
noting
the
same
thing:
I
did
they
said
like
you
were
creating
you,
you
did
Irish
music
and
then
you
went
into
open
source.
A
B
So
I
was
always
a
a
developer
like
for
my
or
always
like.
For
the
past
leg
of
my
life,
I
was
always
a
developer
as,
like
my
main
job,
but
I
kind
of
like
the
Irish
music
was
a
creative
thing.
I
did
on
the
sides
at
certain
points,
I
kind
of
managed
to
like
get
some
money
from
it
and
such,
but
it
was
never.
It
was
never
like
kind
of
a
full-time
thing.
I
didn't
honest.
A
No,
it's
always
it's
always
good
to
have
something
you
like
to
do.
You
don't
have
to
be
the
best
at
it
like
I,
think
you
know
it's
always
good
to
have
something
on
the
side.
Okay,
so
just
want
to
quickly
say
hi
to
some
more
people
in
the
thing
we're
calling
in
from
someone's
from
Brazil,
we
have
learner0418
they
tune
in
every
single
week,
so
happy
to
see
them
back.
A
A
B
B
B
My
my
like
tool
of
choice
as
an
editor
is
vim
and
I
was
always
when
I'm
working
in
teams
and
such
like
I
saw
my
colleagues
with
their
graphical
editors,
their
vs
codes
and
intellijs,
and
and
what
have
you
and
I
was
kind
of
envious
about
how
quickly
they
can
hit
the
ground
running
well,
I'm,
always
like
when
I
come
to
a
new
job.
It's
like
wait.
B
It's
kind
of
thing
that,
like
the
large
companies
and
such
mostly,
it
seems
to
me,
put
a
lot
of
attention
into
the
graphical
editors,
but
they
kind
of
leave.
People
like
us,
like
on
the
side
kind
of
fending
for
ourselves,
so
I
wanted
to
fend
for
myself
and
for
all
the
other
people
like
me
and
create
a
tool
that
does
not
compromise
Power
for
Simplicity.
B
That
I
can
also
recommend
to
new
developers,
because
up
until
now,
it
was
like
a
beginner
developer
comes
oh,
how
are
you
working
show
me
I
want
to
do
that
too,
and
I'm
like
yeah.
Don't
do
what
I
do
so?
It's
something
simpler!
Really,
don't
do
this
to
yourself
like
I'm
lost,
don't
don't
don't
go
this
way,
but
I
don't
think
it
should
be
this
way.
I
I
think
we
should
be
able
to
share
our
love
and
our
passion
for
our
environments
and
that's
the
project.
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No
I
love
that
I
I'm
actually
really
excited
by
different
projects
that
are
trying
to
make
the
terminal
look
better
or
like
make
it
be
easier.
Like
charm,
fig
your
project,
because
you're
right,
like
the
terminal
kind
of,
gets
neglected
it
kind
of
looked
the
same
way
for
years
and
like
with
Visual
Studio
code
or
like
IntelliJ
or
whatever.
We
can
just
install
a
theme
like
with
the
click
of
a
button,
and
then
we
got
everything
so.
A
B
Nice,
so
this
is
the
screen
you
get
when
you
like,
open
Village,
you
the
you,
get
your
tab
bar
on
top
and
on
the
bottom.
We
see
here
the
status
bar
with
the
control
plus
and
everything
here.
What
this
is
is
what
I
mentioned
about
the
Simplicity
of
the
project:
a
lot
of
similar
projects,
you
kind
of
have
to
read
cheat
sheets
and
tutorials,
and
what
have
you
in
order
to
like
figure
out
how
to
use
the
project
with
zelage?
B
B
Zelage
also
has
like,
let's
open
something
here
like
a
hdoc,
for
example,
so
I
open
hdop
to
like
kind
of
I
I
want
us
to
see
which
pane
I
am
on
and
then
I
can
eject
it
with
Ctrl
p
and
then
I
press
e
and
then
it's
a
floating
pane
I
can
move
the
floating
pane
with
a
mouse.
I
can
open
more
floating
panes
and
like
sort
of
arrange
them,
I
can
open
tabs
and
yeah
lots
of
stuff.
B
A
B
Like
these
are
like
configuration
files
that
I
can
like
pretty
quickly
write
in
order
to
describe
how
pains
or
look
look
like
on
the
screen.
So
if
I
open
like
let's
create
a
layout
file
here,
I
can
do
layout.
This
is
by
the
way
it's
a
configuration.
Language
called
cuddle
that
we
use
like
kind
of
similar
to
yaml
or.
B
Stuff,
like
that
and
I
find
it
pretty
useful
for
creating
layouts,
because
it's
a
very
readable
it
has
a
hierarchical
structure.
Let's
take
an
example:
I
create
a
layout
with
two
panes
I
just
do
layout
and
write
paint
twice
and
then
I
can
do
in
a
new
window:
new
tab,
minus
L
and
my
layout,
and
there
we
have
it.
B
Right
and
yeah
I
can
have
you
know
like
if
this
is
horizontal.
I
can
do
split,
Direction,
vertical
and
open
two
pins
here,
let's
put
a
command
in
one
of
them,
and
here,
let's
put
like
another
command
command,
equal
LS
with
args
and
then
open
the
same
layout
and
yeah.
We
have
here
H
dot
on
the
left
and
on
the
right.
We
have
the
ls
minus
l.
B
We
can
like
the
command
exit
it.
So
we
see
its
exit
status
below
like
the
exit
code.
0
I
can
press
enter
to
rerun
it
like
we
I
guess.
We
can
hardly
see
it
in
the
Stream,
because
LS
is
kind
of
fast,
but
every
time
I
press
enter,
it
runs
it
and
yeah
and
I
can
do
all
the
stuff
I
can
pop
it
down
to
a
floating,
Pane
and
yeah
lots
more
stuff
that
you
can
do.
B
B
It
can
even
open
it
like
outside
the
terminal
in
vs
code
like
it
can,
if
you
configure
it
and
you
can
like
press
enter
and
it
opens,
it
doesn't
give
a
VPS
code
and
yeah
it's
like.
Is
that
just
a
tool
for
us
terminal
developers,
because
that
was
kind
of
my
need,
but
it's
also
for
everyone.
It's
also
for
people
who
don't
develop
in
the
terminal.
Anyone
who
uses
the
terminal
like
I
think
can
benefit
from
it.
B
A
B
A
In
the
chat,
who
are
just
saying
good
things,
Laura
said:
I
worked
with
Ramon
until
a
few
weeks
ago
and
I've
seen
zealous
before,
but
I
haven't
tried
it.
Yet
maybe
today's
the
day
and
then
someone
said,
looks
like
teamucks
but
better
someone
said
beautiful.
Someone
said
the
neovan
community
is
going
to
love.
You
I
think
that
is
a
fish
shell,
because
I
think
they've
seen
the
acronym
I
forget
what
oh.
B
B
B
A
B
There's
too
much
going
on
too
too
many
menus
like
moving
with
a
mouse
and
such
is
like
if
it's
your
thing
cool
but
for
sure,
but
but
yeah.
But
as
you
say,
you
can
use
it
like
in
tando.
You
can
use
the
site
you
can
like,
because
in
vs
code
you
have
the
terminal
lots
of
people
use
zelage
inside
the
vs
code
terminal.
B
A
B
A
Return
to
my
terminal
with
tmux
in
the
open,
they're
wondering-
and
this
might
be
like
I
I-
don't
know
much
about
the
terminal.
I'm
a
vs
code,
girl,
they're
wondering
are
there
similar
sessions?
Are
there
sessions
similar
to
the
ones
on
Teamworks?
What
does
that
have
to
do
with
you?
I?
Don't
really
understand
what
they
mean.
B
Yeah
yeah
yeah
for
sure
so
I'll
like
give
a
little
bit
of
an
introduction
about
a
tmac
session,
so
we're
like
kind
of
on
the
same
page
and
then
I'll
answer
the
question
if
like,
if
there
you
go
we'll,
it
will.
Forgive
me
for
explaining
the
question
so
basically,
tmox
has
sessions
TMax
by
the
way
is
also
a
terminal
multiplexer
similar
to
to
to
zege
but
yeah
anyway.
B
This
means
that
if,
for
example,
it
opens
the
edge
on
a
server,
let's
say
you're
on
a
production,
server
and
you're
like
troubleshooting
a
problem
and
trying
to
find
out,
and
then
you
want,
like
you're
stuck
and
like
you're
super
stressed,
and
everything
is
down
and
you
need
help.
So
you
like
call
a
friend.
Oh
my
God,
everything
is
not
working.
Please
come
help
me
and
then
they
connect
to
the
same
server
they
attach
to
your
session,
and
both
of
you
are
at
the
session.
B
At
the
same
time,
and
the
cool
thing
that
sellage
gives
you
is
that
each
one
kind
of
gets
a
cursor
with
a
different
color,
like
kind
of
the
Google
Docs
experience,
and
you
can
collaborate
and
work
together
and
move
to
the
same
Pane
and
do
stuff
yeah.
So
that's
like
kind
of
a
long
answer
to
say.
Yes,.
A
No-
and
that
was
a
great
way
to
say
it-
it
sounds
like
the
live
share.
Extension
in
vs
code,
where,
like
you
you're
in
vs
code
and
someone's
typing,
it
says
their
name
like
results,
typing
Adam's
type
in
okay,
that's
so
cool
yeah
someone!
This
is
another
thing
that
I'm
not
even
familiar
with.
Does
it
support
true
color
Yes.
B
So
yes,
like
terminals,
have
this
thing
where,
like
the
classic
terminals,
are
like
eight
bits,
256
colors
and
then
like
there
are
terminals
who
support
true
color,
all
the
like
late
news
from
the
90s,
so
so
yeah.
So
that
is,
of
course,
for
Truecaller.
It
supports
it
out
of
the
box.
You
don't
need
to
configure
it.
It
just
works.
A
A
A
A
B
B
A
Great
no
I,
just
I
just
highlighted
this
one,
because
I
saw
someone
type.
The
words
I
was
just
so
just
so.
People
can
know,
know
the
spelling
really
quickly
and
then
let's
see
another
question
or
someone
just
pointed
out,
I
guess
they
said,
use
the
the
Vim
plug-in
for
vs
code.
That's
also
kind
of
cool
someone
said
awesome
terminal
that
I'm
definitely
going
to
check
out.
Is
it
just
me
or
does
anyone
else
see
Cypher
from
okay.
A
B
B
B
What
you
can
do
is
zelich
has
a
lock
mode.
So
if
you
press
Ctrl
G
inside
zelage,
then
the
interface
is
locked
and
then
whatever
you
type
in
like
in
that
edge
or
shortcuts,
whatever
it
goes
inside
the
terminal,
but
this
is
kind
of
like
it's
an
okay
solution,
but
it's
not
it's
not
fun.
To
always
have
to
press
Ctrl
G.
To
do
this,
oh
no,
a
lot
more.
They
have
to
go
back.
B
You
can,
of
course,
reconfigure
the
key
bindings,
which
is
go
to
the
configuration
file
and
kind
of
change
the
way
they
are,
but
as
I
kind
of
alluded
to
at
the
beginning
of
the
stream
I
I
don't
want
people
to
have
to
do
that.
I
wanted
to
just
work,
and
so
in
the
next
version,
we're
going
to
try
a
solution
for
this,
which
is
like
kind
of
it's
something
that
I
kind
of
called
super
mode.
It's
very
experimental.
B
It
lets
you
kind
of
it
only
takes
up
one
Global
keyboarding
like
T-Max,
for
example,
and
still
allows
you
all
the
nice
configurations,
early,
nice,
I'm,
sorry,
all
the
nice
shortcuts
and
and
everything
and
tries
to
minimize
the
amount
of
keys.
You
have
to
press
in
order
to
do
everything.
But
this
is
like
not
released
yet
and
still
experimental.
Until
then,
it's
either
lock
the
interface
at
runtime
or
reconfigure.
The
key
bindings
to
to
your
liking.
A
It
looks
like
Grim
Reaper
seemed
pretty
excited
about
that.
They
said
oh
I
didn't
know
about
lock
mode
I
will
try
that
and
they
suggested
they
said.
I
think
a
simpler
solution
would
be
to
have
a
toggle
where
people
can
use
teamwork's
key
bindings.
But
again
it's
not
like
one
shoe
fits
all,
also
y'all.
A
If
you
are
on
this,
if
you're
watching
this
and
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
if
I'm
on
to
on
Tuesday
but
like
like
you're,
watching
this
skills
to
contribute
to
help
make
this
better
here's
the
repository
feel
free
to
to
help
contribute
because
maintainers
they
have
to
do
a
lot
of
different
things.
So,
like
I'm,
not
sure
you're
managing
a
lot.
So
if
they
have
other
options,
that
sounds
good
Laura
says.
B
A
Okay,
I'm
gonna
highlight
it
I
imagine
Laura
might
have
I,
don't
want
to
put
you
out
there
too
much
Laura,
but
I
know
Laura's,
really
good
with
like
technical
writing
and
stuff,
so
maybe
maybe
she's
interested
in
in
like
contributing
in
some
way.
Okay,
so
I
will
save
some
of
the
other
questions
in
the
chat
for
a
little
bit
later,
but
to
Pivot
into
some
of
the
questions
that
I
had
planned
to
ask.
A
Since
this
is
this
is
GitHub
and
we
want
to,
we
want
to
learn
more
about
how
to
support
you
and
how
to
encourage
people
to
get
into
open
source.
So
my
first
question
to
you
is
as
a
maintainer:
what
challenges
have
you
encountered?
I
like
to
always
talk
about
like
the
exciting
things,
but
I
also
like
to
let
people
know
like
what
are
the?
What
is
the
real
deal
of
being
a
maintainer?
That
could
be
a
challenge.
B
Yeah,
it's
a
good
question
and
I've
been
thinking
about
it
like
a
bit
to
try
and
see
like
where
to
tackle
it
in
which
direction
and
I
think
there
are
two
main
directions
for
me.
The
first
one
is
project
management
and
the
second
one
is
funding
sponsorships
like
being
able
to
go
to
the
supermarket.
Basically,
so
man
I'll
start
with
the
first
one.
Managing
like
a
popular
open
source
project
is
hard
not
from
the
technological
level.
B
There
are
challenges
there
but
like
for,
for
me
they
are
very
much
secondary.
It's
like
basically
keeping
up
right
now.
The
project
has
over
500
open
issues,
I
think
over
almost
50
pull
requests.
These
are
just
things
that
are
open
and
I'm
like
I
I,
recently
resigned
myself
to
like
I
am
never
going
to
guess
to
some
of
these.
Some
of
these
will
just
not
get
a
response
and
it
breaks
my
heart.
B
A
B
A
Is,
oh
sorry
to
have
cut
you
off,
but
I?
That
is
totally
like
something
that
I'm
sure
maintainers
talk
about
all
the
time,
because
it's
like
you're,
an
engineering
manager,
slash
Leo,
slash,
product
manager
for
and
and
just
engineering
for
a
particular
product,
and
it's
not
for
a
ton
of
money.
Sometimes
it's
for
mostly
free
and
you
get
a
lot
of
demand
and
then,
like
you,
still
have
your
own
life
to
live.
Besides,
just
coding
all
day,
like
you
probably
want
to
hang
out
with
your
family
or
do
stuff
that
you
want
to
play.
A
Irish,
music
or
whatever
I
did
want
to
highlight
that
we
have
a
I.
Don't
know
if
you've
ever
joined
this,
but
we
have
a
a
a
private
Community
called
maintainers,
the
maintainers
community
at
GitHub
and
every
may.
We
have
like
a
like
Summit
and
like
that's
when
people
come
together
and
talk
about
the
different
ways
that
they
help
to
manage
burnout
or
or
strategies
that
they've
been
using
for
project
management
and
stuff.
B
B
So
I'm
kind
of
looking
into
Avenues
of
getting
funding
for
this
or
helping
helping
members
of
the
community
like
have
the
realization
that
hey
this
thing.
That
is
super
useful
to
you
and
you
use
every
day
like
you
get
it
for
free.
So
maybe
you
want
to,
like
you
know,
tip
the
a
typical
developer
and
yeah
and
that's
also
a
challenge
because
I
don't
have
training
for
this.
B
A
Wow
yeah
yeah,
it
looks
like
people
in
the
like,
including
me,
they're,
definitely
empathizing.
Someone
said
sorry
to
hear
about
the
funding
situation
and
then
someone
said
wow
that
is
so.
Cool
funding
is
always
a
problem
over
time
and
then
someone
else
or
Grim
Reaper
is
also
talking
about
the
struggle
of
project
management.
They
said
people
trying
to
get
project
manager
should
try
this
because
it'll
be
a
very
impressive
thing
to
talk
about.
I,
agree,
I,
honestly
think
my
my
my
past
manager.
A
He
has
an
open
source
project
and
what
he
did
is
he
had
like
a
triage
team,
so
I
I
do
think
like
onboarding
is
still
hard,
but
for
some
people
who
may
they
want
to
contribute
but
they're,
not
really
like
developers
or
they're
they're,
maybe
scared
to
to
contribute
code.
He
had
them
get
familiar
by
helping
him
to
like,
maybe
like
triage
tickets,
or
do
the
other
sorts
of
project
management
that
he
doesn't.
A
He
doesn't
have
bandwidth
for
and
then
in
turn,
they
get
that
experience
of
being
like
I,
did
project
management
for
this
particular
project
and
then
helps
them
to
to
eventually
get
a
job,
but
yeah
on
the
finance
side.
Funding
and
sustainability
for
open
source
is
such
a
hard
problem
like
GitHub
is
trying
by
doing
GitHub,
sponsors
and
I.
B
A
B
I
I
really
like
that
GitHub
is
doing
this
by
the
way.
I
think
it's
great,
because
yeah
we're
developing
on
the
getup
platform,
where,
like
we
are,
you
know
like
the
old
cliche
goes.
We
are
the
product
of
GitHub,
essentially
and
so
I
think
it's
really
awesome
when
the
get-ups
giving
back
it's
really
cool.
It's
like
like
the
company
is
aware
of
it
and
yeah
I.
B
Also
like
what
you
said
about
project
management,
it's
definitely
hard
and
definitely
managing
an
open
source
project
like
for
sure
also
not
just
project
management,
also
the
the
social
Parts
we
have.
For
example,
we
have
a
community
manager,
everyone
thinks
I'm
doing
the
the
the
social
stuff,
but
I'm
not.
We
have
a
dedicated.
A
B
I
don't
have
time
to
answer
everything,
but
a
lot
of
users
are
helping
each
other,
like
that's
always
heartening.
For
me
to
see,
like
you
see,
like
someone
came
with
a
question
in
the
night
and
I
wake
up
in
the
morning
and
already
three
people,
three
people
answered
them
and
gave
like
great
answers
and
yeah
I
also
want
to
highlight
in
case
it
wasn't
clear.
A
B
B
Yeah,
that's
a
good
point,
yeah
a
good
point
to
kind
of
have
like
the
development
or
or
like
the
the
onboarding
like
at
a
specific
time,
so
a
lot
of
people
they
can
like
come
and
learn
and
learn
together.
I
try
to
do
that
when
people
a
lot
of
people
when
they
want
to
contribute.
They
ask
me
privately
on
Discord.
They
like
message
me
and
say:
hey,
like
I,
don't
get
what
this
function
does
or
or
yeah
I
always
like.
B
B
A
B
B
They
can
totally
unrelated
places
like
a
random
subreddit
or
something.
Someone
was
show
a
screenshot
of
like
their
question
about
something
in
the
terminal
and
I'll
see
zelage
I'm
like
awesome,
so
yeah
and
and
and
and
and
it's
great
like,
because
we're
really
or
at
least
I,
am
here
to
to
give
value
to
people.
So
seeing
like
people
get,
that
value
is
pretty
awesome.
A
I
love
that
with
some
people
in
the
comments
someone
said,
I'm
excited
to
see
another
terminal
emulator,
especially
after
reading
your
blog
post
and
someone
else
asks
a
pretty
interesting
question.
In
my
opinion,
they
said:
how
do
you
prioritize
features
and
functionalities
that
are
to
be
worked
on?
Do
you
feel
there
are
clashes
between
what
the
community
wants
versus
what
you
think
is
best
for.
B
That's
actually
a
very
good
question
yeah,
so
zelich
has
a
road
map,
because
zelage
is
still
considered.
I
still
classify
it
as
a
data.
We're
pre
1.0
product
is
pretty
stable.
A
lot
of
people
use
it
day
to
day,
but
the
development
I
I
worked
for
the
past.
Like
most
of
my
career
I
say:
I
worked
at
startups,
so
it
was
always.
It
was
always
developed.
This
fast
break
things
and
put
it
to
Market.
B
So
that's
kind
of
my
same
philosophy
with
zelage
right
now.
The
stage
the
project
is
because
I
feel
that
it's
not
complete.
Yet
it's
like
we're
still
adding
features
and
turning
the
project,
because
I
I
think
the
way
the
place
we
are
right
now
is
like
really
just
starting
to
climb
out
of
the
infrastructure
level.
We
recently
released
a
plug-in
system
so
that
people
can
like
develop
their
own
plugins
for
zellich.
B
They
can
use
like
theoretically,
they
can
use
any
language
to
write
plugins
because
it
compiles
webassembly
and
I.
Think
we're
just
starting
to
discover
what
this
project
is
as
like
an
infrastructure
for
development,
because
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
to
my
knowledge.
I.
Don't
think
there's
anything
quite
like
it
out
there,
and
so
this,
like
kind
of,
brings
me
back
to
the
question
of
how
to
prioritize
stuff
and
if
there
are
clashes
between
priorities
and
what
the
community
wants.
So,
yes,
there
are
clashes
a
lot
of
them.
B
B
Don't
have
time
to
develop
that
and
I
don't
have
time
to
review
a
pull
request
of
that
being
developed,
because
I
need
to
concentrate
on
the
roadmap
since
I'm
living
on
my
savings,
and
my
time
is
like
kind
of
limited
because
I
don't
know
if
this
project
will
become
sustainable
even
that,
even
though
that
is
my
goal.
I
I
really
have
to
be
very
cognizant
about
only
developing
stuff,
that's
in
the
road
app
unless
it's
like
critical
security,
stuff
or
crashes
or
like
very
critical
stability
things.
B
The
hardcore
like
die
hard
Zealot
users
that
are
the
awesome
community
that
we
have
I
think
they
are
like
a
small
percentage
of
the
larger
users
and
they
want
to
like
bring
more
people
in
by
making
the
project
bigger,
and
so
that's
most
of
what
I'm,
what
I'm
concentrating
on
and
to
the
Communities
Credit.
Most
of
them
are
super
understanding
and.
A
A
Think
it
answered
it
very
well
and
I
hope
this
stream
helps
to
bring
in
some
more
users
and
contributors
y'all
go
ahead
and
give
the
project
a
star.
Also
I,
really
liked
your
strategy
of
having
the
the
the
plugins
that
users
can
create
themselves
because
I
think
that's
kind
of
what
GitHub
did
with
GitHub
actions.
A
From
from
what
I'm
told
I
wasn't
working
here
when
this
happened,
but
when
I
told
you
know
we're
getting
a
lot
of
requests,
oh
I
wish
I
could
do
this
I
wish
I
could
do
that.
It's
like
here.
Here's
the
GitHub
Marketplace
make
your
GitHub
app
make
your
GitHub
actions.
Do
what
you
want.
You
want
your
repository
to
be
able
to
do
this
and
that,
like
here,
you
can
do
it.
B
A
Awesome,
yeah,
yeah,
I
love,
GitHub
actions.
That's
what
got
me
excited
about
GitHub,
so
I
do
see
a
comment,
and
this
is
what
I'm
gonna
address,
because
I
keep
seeing
this
person
like
pop
in
and
say,
questions
like
this
they're
asking.
Is
this
a
promotional
presentation
of
his
own
product?
So
a
little
background
about
this
stream
right?
This
is
called
open
source
Friday.
Every
Friday
I
talk
to
an
open
source
maintainer
about
their
project.
A
This
has
many
reasons
right,
one
to
help
people
get
a
better
understanding
of
how
to
how
to
get
into
open
source
to
to
help
them
like
discover
and
explore
other
open
source
tools
that
they
can
be
using
and
then
three
to
help
open
source
maintainers
gain
more
exposure
of
their
products.
It
is
an
open
source
tool.
Yes
and
I
want
I
want
as
GitHub
right,
open
source
maintainers
are
using
our
our
platform
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
like
support
and
give
back.
A
So
this
is
kind
of
a
way
of
being
like
hey.
We
want
to
connect.
We
want
to
learn
what
are
the
struggles
you're
having
and
how
we
can
help
make
it
better,
and
then
we
also
want
people
to
be
able
to
discover
their
projects.
So
that's
that's
the
whole
point
of
this
I'm,
a
developer
Advocate.
My
job
is
to
be
able
to
connect
with
our
users,
which
are
developers
and
open
source
maintainers,
and
that's
how
I'm
doing
it.
Hopefully,
that
answers
the
many
questions
I've
seen
you
have
all.
B
Right
can
I
answer,
can
I
add
something
to
that
yeah
so
because
I
think
look
I
can
very
much
empathize
with
the
like
the
feeling
of
oh
I.
Don't
like
I
I,
don't
know,
maybe
that's
not
what
this
person
was
saying,
but
I
kind
of
got
the
feeling
that
oh
I
don't
like
when
someone
is
selling
me
something
and
I
can
totally
empathize
with
that
I.
Also
don't
like
it.
A
B
A
A
It's
not
necessarily
about
Village,
but
oh
there's,
one
there's
one
about
zelders
that
I'm
actually
curious
about
and
then
I'll
switch
to
the
other
ones,
they're
wondering
if
there's
any
like
plans
to
monetize
this
I
know
that
sometimes
people
go
open
core.
If
you
have
you
gone
open
or
are
you
like?
No.
B
B
Pay
one
dollar
to
get
like
yeah,
but
if,
if
anything,
something
like
this
will
like
kind
of
happen
from
the
outside,
like
for
example,
I
mentioned,
that
tillage
has
the
session
sharing,
where
you
can
have
the
Google
Docs
experience
with
the
different
cursors
and
such
setting
up
something
like
this.
Without
your
own,
dedicated
server
is
not
trivial.
A
Yeah
I
love
this.
This
is
a.
This
is
a
good
conversation,
in
my
opinion,
like
things
that
that
people
challenges
that
people
have,
but
it's
like
how
do
I
approach
this
without
being
like
without
being
annoying
and
being
like?
Please
buy
this.
It
looks
like
two
people
are
really
curious
in
what
open
source,
Technologies
or
projects
that
you're
excited
about
on
in
the
open
source
world
that
you
find
exciting
or
promising.
B
A
B
Just
you
start
typing
a
command,
the
more
you
do
it
the
more
it
learns
your
habits
and
yeah,
so
we
use
fish
otherwise,
I'm
going
to
give
a
shout
out
to
this
is
actually
a
commercial
company
doing
open
source
stuff.
You
mentioned
them
briefly
at
the
beginning.
This
is
charm.
Cli
charm
are
good
and
awesome.
B
B
B
A
Lipstick
I'm
like
this
is
so
cute
right,
I
love
it
Okay,
so
we
are
at
the
52
minute,
Mark
and
I
think
I'll
move
into
some
of
the
like
non-technical,
non-open,
Source
questions,
just
some
fun
questions
that
I
usually
ask
to
to
just
get
to
know
you
better
and
just
for
fun.
So
so.
My
first
question
is:
what
is
the
first
programming
language
that
you
ever
learned.
A
A
B
A
B
A
B
Does
it
count
if,
like
I
relearned,
something
yeah,
I,
think
I
think
I,
basically
relearned,
that,
like
when
you're
developing
a
feature
and
you're
like
deep
inside
the
coding
and
such
and
you
like,
get
it
to
work
like
get
a
small
part
of
it
to
work?
They're
like
super
excited,
and
this
took
me
hours
and
I
had
to
like
hack
through
all
the
code
base
and
do
everything
and
yeah.
B
My
inclination
in
such
a
a
situation
is
like
git
commit
and
then
like
continue,
writing
the
feature
and
then
like
write
tests
and
refactor
and
yeah.
Don't
do
that
like
git,
commit
write
a
test
for
what
you
already
what
you
already
developed
and
then
continue
developing,
because
it's
just
much
faster
and
I
I
relearned
this
every
time.
I
have
to
remind
myself
every
time,
and
today
was
one
of
those
times
again.
A
A
A
A
Cool
all
right,
so
we
are
nearing
the
the
very
end,
but
I
wanted
to
know.
Okay,
so
first
I'll
just
tell
a
couple
people
something:
someone
said:
how
can
we
get
a
recorded
version
of
this?
This
is
going
to
live
on
YouTube
in
the
live
section
like
as
soon
as
I
press
end
stream.
It
will
still
be
there.
So
if
you
wanted
to
go
back
and
re-watch
it,
you
can,
and
we
have
a
ton
of
other
like
similar
sessions
where
I
talk
to
other
open
source
maintainers.
A
If
you
wanted
to
check
them
out
as
well.
There's
a
lot
of
cool
people,
doing
cool
things
out
in
the
open
source
world
so
definitely
check
that
out,
and
then
someone
also
just
was
commenting
that
they
know
a
lot
of
SRE
and
devops
teams
and
many
companies
who
would
love
the
session
sharing
features
with
zelwich
and
I
I
agree.
I
agree,
it's
very
hard
to
be
like
hey
I'm,
struggling
here
in
my
terminal
and
people
can't
see.
B
Go
to
the
repository,
give
a
star
come
on
our
like
Discord
chat
with
us
use
this
energy.
That's
the
best
thing.
The
the
best
contribution
people
can
do
is
become
a
zealog
user
and,
like
tell
us
what
you
think,
what
cool
ideas
you
have
develop
plugins,
it's
a
new
thing
that
that
we're
doing
share
your
plugins
with
us.
We
can,
we
publish
them
in
our
like
in
our
docs.
We
put
all
the
cool
plugins
there
so
like
looking
forward
to
see
more
yay.
A
A
Oh
no,
no
challenges
but
they're
definitely
challenges
open
source
and
I
really
appreciate
you
for
sharing
all
those
and
kind
of
giving
us
tips
around
like
being
authentic
and
respectful
in
showing
what
you're,
working
on
and
and
just
also
bringing
this
awesome
project
to
the
world
like
this
is
something
that
is
needed
and
I'm
really
glad
that
you
created
it.
I
also
want
to
say
thanks
to
the
audience,
y'all
ask
some
really
interesting
questions.
You
continue
to
be
engaged
and
that
always
motivates
me
to
come
back
and
keep
doing
more
open
source
Fridays.