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From YouTube: The CLI for your Dialog Flow

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This #OpenSourceFriday, we're learning how to use Dialogflow CX CLI to test and interact with your Dialogflow CX projects.

Join Xavier Portilla Edo and blackgirlbytes on March 10, at 1 pm ET, to level up your conversational AI skills.

A

Hello, everyone um I know that that the way the audio stops always clashes. Everyone off guard, including myself, um I, see everyone in the chat, saying hi I'm, so glad that y'all are already tuning in I'm, really excited for this episode's open source Friday, if you're unfamiliar with the show or it's your first time, tuning in open source. Friday is a time where I chat with open source, maintainers or core contributors about their projects, and we learn a little bit about like why they made it and how we can contribute to it.

A

So on one hand, it helps give exposure to maintainers, and then it also helps you gain more exposure into how you can get involved in open source. A little bit before I introduce our um guest today uh is I want to do a little bit of promo I'm glad that our this show has gotten to the point that people want to promote their events on here um and give me a second I'm, just gonna remove um myself just to let you all know what we're going to be having wrong one.

A

I hope that y'all could have heard me, while I was doing that. That was my first time removing myself. Let's bring this back all right so now that we have that promotion um out there don't forget to to join that now. I'll have our guest for today introducing some.

B

Thank you very much.

A

A

I tried to just repeat that part: sorry y'all, so basically that image that I showed earlier um sorry to interrupt.

A

You zombie is um I'm, not sure how to have my voice and show that image as well, but basically there's a panel coming up called women in open source, Life Sciences on that's going to happen, March 16, 2023 from 11AM to 11 30 a.m, and what they're doing is they're having a panel discussion on how the challenges that women face in open source and also how we can increase um open source education for low and middle income countries.

A

um So you don't want to miss that I put the banner below to join. It's https, slash, AKA, dot, msaajunsq I'll, put it again at the end of the stream, so people can join it and I apologize for being mute. For that moment, I thought I was hoping it would work. Okay, I will switch back now to um having our guests introduce themselves. Sorry, no.

B

Worries no worries. This is you know, thing things of doing or doing things in life. You know I'll go so yeah, um it's a pleasure being here and thanks for inviting me and yeah I'm shavi I'm uh I'm, located in Spain and I'm living between Marina Valencia in between those cities and yeah I am an open source and biller I build a lot of Open Source projects.

B

uh I also write a bunch of articles. I love right. uh You know technical right, yeah technical posts about you, know new things about new technologies, so at least the things that I usually discover. I I share my knowledge by writing. Articles I I am speaker as well, so yeah I serve my knowledge to the community, because I think that it's important you know in English, but also on on Spanish, because yeah I believe that you know, like all the people should uh shouldn't know.

B

New things and the language should not be a barrier and uh and yeah I mean uh here in in Madrid. I am organizer of the Madrid, the Box Meetup, the the devops days conference is Madrid, of course, um the Alexa community in Spanish, and also the the Google developer group here in Maris, so yeah a lot of things and and yeah and I'm also a GitHub star. So that is that is nice.

A

Yes, I love; okay, first of all, yes, you're, an amazing GitHub, star and I love that you love to share what you've learned through writing I do as well like that's my favorite form of like sharing what I've learned I know. Some people prefer video and stuff like that, but I love to to write because I think it's something that you know people can we go back to. They can search what to find and I'll be able to follow the steps easily. I.

A

Also love that you you make sure that you're doing it in other languages because I agree. um Everything code is very, very American, English Centric, um it's catered towards to towards Americans, um but that doesn't mean other people in other countries shouldn't be able to learn that so I love that um you're doing that.

B

Exactly excellent- and this is super important because we have like or or we we may know that or we know that everything is related. You know to at least for Computer Sciences in English, and we made that a sun standard, but you know like we. We have to change that and and share everything in as many languages. As you know,.

A

And in software engineering they'll be able to influence it code, doesn't they'll be able to have like their thoughts and perspectives on like how we can improve things rather than just being like American saying. Oh, we need to change this. This is how the direction that that software engineering should go in, but um I can go on a rant about this forever. I do want to know about your project. What is it, what does it do? Give us the details.

B

So um yeah today we're gonna talk about the allo flow cxcli. So it's a CLI tool, a built in in golang. A full breathing in in golang I have to say that um you want to write cli's golang, it's a really good choice: I, love, golang and and I think that was a good decision, because everything was written in golang and yeah. It's a CLI to interact with dialogflow CX, so Dollar Plus CX is a Google Cloud technology.

B

uh Basically a conversation technology that that we are gonna explain in a bit, but basically it's a command line interface that you can use in multiple ways. You know like, for instance, on on your pipelines. While you are developing your your chatbots, your assistance, you know it it's a CLI that uh that that was not there and I thought that I I need it.

B

So I created the open source project because yeah at the same time that that I needed, uh probably more developers, uh were needed as well, and that is that is what I was seeing like, because there are a lot of users using it. So yeah that was, that was a need that helped more people.

A

Awesome well, I have a couple of follow-up questions, but I'll just double check that um people in LinkedIn I see them saying that the video is on repeat, I, hope they're. Just in the beginning of the episode and I hope you all can still see where we are at right now. Please let me know in the comments if you um are able to to hear us and you're following us, but my follow-up questions. One of them was I've, never written, golang and I know.

A

This is not on the agenda but I'm just curious I've, never written go away so.

B

A

Is that the best language for you to write a client so.

B

um Because golang, it has like a really good, a Frameworks and libraries to create um clips, for instance, a cobra and Viper. Those are the main, the basically the main ones that I'm using and- and it is like- really easy to use like building the command line. Interface is just the you know, like the the thing that you have pretty much automated. You know in terms of creating you know new commands and new Flags. You know these things and in terms of um because, for instance, in this case the dialogflow CX has a lot of.

B

As we are talking about the whole technology. Google uses a lot of grpc projects and erpc.

B

You know, interactions and golang is a really good uh language to interact with grpc as well, uh because you know it's from Google as well: it's open source drbc, it's a protocol is open source as well and and yeah playing with grpc playing with the to build the clis and and and and and um like because with golang it's in terms of the language itself is like you can go as deep as as you want like Financial like C, plus plus, but at a higher level.

B

You know, because uh on C plus plus we are talking about like 20 years old or 25 years old language and golang has the power of going like at that level. You know like at that low level, but with the power of you know like being like, you can create, or you can build more than things. You know modern software.

A

Awesome: okay, that makes a lot of sense to me. So you're saying, like golang, is as powerful as um maybe like, C plus plus, where it can do low level machine work, but it has more features because it was um developed. um It's newer. It's a newer development than C, plus plus awesome.

B

A

So I know you said that you built this July for making dialogue flow easier. Can you explain what dialogue flows is for someone who, like they're, like I, have no clue what that is or I'm not really um too um familiar with technology and web development and I had a slide deck, so maybe that would even be helpful as well. Here.

B

Yeah yeah for sure. Let me preset my screen, so uh oh, it's it's already there! So if you put them there we'll so what is that low flow CX um dollar flow takes is basically the commercial AI platform that price anyway for Designing audience or assistant okay. So basically, what is? Let's start talking now? What is commercial AI, so commercial AI is the way that or the technologies that we can use or Frameworks uh to create interfaces that can speak very close as the human language.

B

Okay, so that is commercial, Ai and allo flow CX is the commercial a platform from Google to develop and design a assistance? Okay, so that when I say assistant is something like general. You know that can be that that could be uh chatbot. That could be. um You know like when you are calling um customer support and- and you say like press one for whatever press two for another thing.

B

You know those can be built using autoflow CX, and you know like: what's about SMS, both um even Alexa voice, apps, a Google assistant voice, apps those can be built using a dialogflow sync. So that is why I say like um assistant. Okay and um yeah, how is like the or data flow 6 has been a game changer because you are developing the your your conversations in a more graphical way. Okay, so what you are creating is basically like um flows and babies are like uh notes.

B

Okay, so what you are gonna do is say or dollar flow CX is is gonna. Do is uh interacting as a state machine manager. So what, in a conversation like, let's say that you are here and then the user interacts or tells to the assistant like I, want help so teleflow CX. What is gonna manage is uh you know like um that, will manage that you are here and it will transition to the next node okay. So that is how basically like a dollar flow.

B

Cx works, okay, and at any time you can and inside the dialogflow, CX or inside the execution, you can call out webhood. You can call your backend, for instance, like a when you are requesting the weather of Valencia, for example, or the weather of California, and you can at any time call away hook a request like make that request on your on your back end and then uh get the the information to the to the user.

B

So that is basically what I have here in this slide, which is you have your end user, using the inputs that you want? Okay or that that you have designed for your assistant and then the user is going to interact with your client. You know that could be a WhatsApp whatever and then it's gonna be dialogflow 6. That is gonna. Make sure that everything you know is managing like is he it is in charge of the conversation itself and then the web hook, which is optional uh to called external apis database whatever.

B

So that is how daloflow CX works. Okay in and um there is artificial intelligence there, because we have to input or to introduce nlu okay. So what is Channelview? The nlu is a like, for instance, when you're requesting the information of the weather Valencia, you can say tell me about a Valencia or just whether or Valencia or just Valencia. You know so that those things those utterances are requesting the same intent. Okay, so uh that is what you are gonna specify on your energy.

B

So on your energy, you are gonna have intents with utterances and entity types and parameters, so that is Valencia, which is the variable side of the uterance. Those are entity types, so under your nlu, you are going to have intense and entity types, and that is the thing that we are going to provide to develop flow 6 to train our model, so when I usually is interacting with our chatbot, for example,.

A

B

The the the Chabot will understand that, for instance, that we are requesting the weather and not the weather from everywhere, but it could stay in the water from Valencia, specifically.

A

Okay, awesome, so I will highlight some stuff in the chat just so people can know that we are um trying to react to them. So Jared asked what is dialogue, so we just went over that, but I'll try to summarize it to see if I really understood what um you meant, because I love this to be like a learning experience for me as well, and then um Richard said ah so. It's like Microsoft paper clip, oh so I think so from what you can correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand.

A

Oh and sorry, um someone else also said: is it similar to a user Journey but working a bit like in automation.

A

So from what I understand like dialogue, flow, CX, I think CX stands for customer experience, it's just the experience of like you being on a phone and like, like you just said in that example they're like press one for English press two for for Spanish or say one for English or say two for Spanish whatever, and then they lead you to the next step of the journey, which is maybe like getting your banking information or or signing up for something.

A

But you can also have that on a chat bot like you said so, like let's say you, you logged into Bank of America or something like that and a chatbot comes up and you say: I need help. There's not somebody there's not a a live person there, but a bot is responding to you using dialogue.

B

So that's what it.

A

Is and then I guess you're you're, you create pages to say once once a user does this or responds in this way. This is going to be the next step and you also use artificial intelligence to make sure that they understand the user and or that the bot understands the user and it's moving to the to the correct place, exercise.

A

um So now I'm curious, why? Why add a CLI to it I know earlier you said that was really helpful for you to add a CLI to that part of it um and that's why you built the CLI and then you were also like it's probably going to help other people as well, but I'm not really I, don't really get. Why why you will add that.

B

So if you take a look to a dialogflow, CX, um daloflow 6 is mainly kind of visual. You know like because you have to interact with with with the cameras that they provide to you to design a conversation, but you can download your project and develop those things. You know from your Visual Studio code and that representation that that canvas are basically jsons. You know, objects are calling one to to each other.

B

So um there are things that, for instance, like imagine that um um I, don't know like you have a an entity type in there are build built-in entity types like cities like uh countries.

B

You know, like dates, those things are built in, but in Marine that I don't know like you have you are building your energy and your entity types are coming from another place, you know like from another source and you have to put all those entity types to your download flow CX project, and that is something that, without the CLI without my CLI, you have to do that like manually.

B

By going to the dialogflow CX, go into your entity type and then imagine that you have a CSV file and then upload your CSV file with the CLI. You can automate that process. You can pull that information.

B

You can like from your source and push that information, and once you push that with the CLI, you can uh tell data flock CX to train their the the machine learning model.

A

That makes a lot of sense. Okay, thank you all right. Are you ready for us to show the demo, because I think a lot of people are curious, like how is this working like? What what does this look like? So are you ready.

B

Yeah yeah I am ready. Let.

A

Me show your screen again.

B

Yeah so um another important thing that has this CLI is testing: okay, because, for instance, um you can, as I said, you can modify your inner view. Okay, like adding more NL entity types or modifying utterances and on the allo flow CX. You can create this okay. So from a conversation on the on the simulator. Okay, here is a conversation that I created. Okay, so imagine that this is a conversation that I want to save as a test. That is something that I can do just pressing here. Okay, certainly here save as a test case.

B

So whenever I change anything from the flow and from the pages from the from the nlu from the you know my intents, my entity that whenever I change anything I, can go to the CLI and run the test as.

A

B

Okay, so um that is really really useful and um yeah for for folks that are on the life and streaming before. Moving to the to the to the Showcase, you can find the dollar floor. 6 CLI under my GitHub, which is slash dollar flow, cxcli and uh yeah, and the documentation is standard, cxcli.shabi, dot, dot me okay, so you can find there all the information, and there is one thing that I want to showcase uh with you, which is the energy profiler.

B

Okay, the NLP profiler is a way to check that the the utterances and the intents are the ones that we are expecting. Always. Okay, um for instance, like I, have one input, okay, which is give me the weather of Valencia I, want to check that, uh always that whenever I get that input, the intent that is gonna be trigger is, let's say, get weather and the entity type is the the city okay, so those are some kind of tests that are built under the CLI. So let me show you the: how does how?

B

How does this work in the in the within the CLI? So you have to create sweets and the sweets is basically, you have to specify. You know like, and the name of the suite description of The Suite, the Google project ID the location, because you can deploy or create your assistance in multiple air regions like in Azure, for example, and then the the agent name, and then you have to specify the list of tests. Okay. So let's go for the to the to the test side, because that is super interesting.

B

So, with the test side and I mean on the on the on the desk, you can specify as mass test as as you want, but, for instance, here the test is per local, so you can have this. You know for English for Spanish, for you know for other languages, and then here you have the checks. For example, um the the input that we are going to specify is by text with the CLI.

B

You can specify audio, and that means that what we are gonna do is transform that audio into text using using the Google Cloud apis, and then we are gonna validate that so with the CLI you can use either or or type text or type audio, and, for instance, here I won't say, because what I wanna validate is that the intent that is gonna be triggered is the order underscore intent and the parameter is the number with the value three.

B

So with that, we are doing our energy profiling, okay, for example, okay, which is basically a check. You know of the that that our nlu is what we are expecting. Okay, aside of testing the conversation testing, your childhood, you know like doing that. Happy path that you want in terms of a in terms of the your childbot. So, for example, the text input well, this is the one that I showed you, but, for instance, for the the audio you have to specify type audio on your test file and then the the audio file.

B

So if we run, let me run the this um yeah I have here: okay, so basically uh well to install the cxa. Is the cxcli the CXC lies available, uh like in I think in, if not all of them, but in in a lot of a package managers like Homebrew like apt, like APK, like a r Linux scoop for Windows, um what else chocolately Docker, so you can run and execute the cxli to whatever and also a arm 64 a Linux Intel 64, like all the the architectures, is available.

B

So when you have installed that you can run cxcli, that does help, and you can see all the things that you can do. Okay, that is, for instance, this is built in with the Cobra and the Viper framework that I told you in golang.

B

So this is automatically done by that which is really really helpful, and what we are gonna ask: how showcase is a profile, Dash energy, which is a test that I that I showed you, um but these are the things that you can do, for instance, the agent, so to check the what you can do with Canadian. The agent is the assistant. Okay, it's a root object.

B

What you can do is create an agent. You can delete an agent export an agent into into a zip file and then restore that C file in in another in another assistant in another Edition, for example. What are the other things that you can do um create entity types as I said an example same for the intent. You can create intents uh flows and versions exactly the same. You can create flows and um with the CLI, and you can create versions from those flows and and test those versions that you're creating.

B

So, for instance, let's say that you are a I, don't know like updating your energy or your entity types, your intent, you can automatically add your flow, create a flow version and then test that flow version as well. The web Hood you can create web hooks as well. Okay uh and and I mean create, update, delete. You know, like all these things are are are built in those things are the the things that I'm doing um and I'm using the the download floor, CX API, because that is available, and that is super helpful.

B

So in the in the client, so yeah dollar flow CX has a available like their apis to to multiple languages I'm using golang, but they have that for Java for a c-sharp for a node.js for python, so yeah you can check that under the under the official documentation and and yeah. So, let's see the the profile nlu, for example, good.

B

What we are gonna execute is the the the test Suite that I showed you the one that is testing the the the order intent. Okay,.

A

For a different one,.

B

And then the the credentials is that we have to use for the. um Let me put this there will for that to connect to bigquery okay. So if we press enter, what we are gonna check is the sweet. Is that the test agent suite and this one is, for instance, a input text, value High intend detected, High intent. That is good and high intent, but in this case the audio okay and we are sending the the audio Yeah I'm gonna show you. How looks like uh this audio test?

B

You um input, type text, value I want three pixels intent detected order, intent and the parameters is the the three and the the pizza and same I want two cogs, interdicted or intent parameter number with a value two and parameter order type with the value Coke. So if we go to the to these examples,.

B

This is what we have, which is a suite okay,.

A

B

See fine, you know, like I, prayed, ideal, the location and then the the set of tests. And then, if we take a look to the test, one we are gonna see the as an input. We have two as an input text, a hello and hi that is gonna be triggered our high intent and then the audio file. Okay and the audio is over here.

B

So we can play it. Yeah.

A

For instance, this one okay.

B

You see is yes hi. Another cool thing that I added to the CLI, which is really really cool, is that you can recognize and synthetize and synthesize. Let me zoom in a little bit the the business to you perfect. You can see yeah, so another cool thing that people can do with the CLI is synthetize and recognize audio. So if you want to create those tests, you can use the same CLI uh to create audio files and and and recognize so, for instance, here I have another example, which is STDs speech today.

B

So, for example, what I'm giving is a as a as an input, the high MP3 I'm gonna tell the CLI that the local is English English, the United States and then the the output formatization, because for pipelines for example, it is better to have you know the output formatization format. So when we run this, what we are going to have is a a I have a near 80 of confidence that that what what there are in that audio file, it's high.

B

The other way around you can instead of STD. If you run a TDS, you will see the is that, let's do hello.

B

And we go here.

A

So what you just did is you wrote some text and now it converted it into audio correct.

B

Exactly exactly we.

A

Are synthesizing.

B

This we are a specifying that this is in English us and then the output is the omp3. So if we check we should have here an omp3, an output MP3 okay, so we play that hello.

A

Wait is it, could you I, don't want to put you on the spot, but is it possible to show us it in a different language and not just English yeah.

B

For sure, so, if we let's do it in Spanish, for example, so we say hola I think he's. Yes, yes, I.

A

B

So it's exciting hola is he here hola.

A

That's cool awesome, hola.

B

And for this we are uh well, we I am using the Google Cloud apis for a speech, two decks and that explosion features one.

A

That's great, oh, my God. Is there anything else to show us, or this was it this was. This was cool yeah.

B

This is like the most visual things from a CLA perspective. You know awesome.

A

um One viewer said: okay, this compounds text-to-speech, which says TTS just for people who don't all wouldn't know stt, which is speech to text um and then CX and maybe also other couple Google apis from dialogflow. That is convenient, that's kind of what you just said. um This is really cool, so just making sure I just I just wanted to understand some parts of it too. So, basically, what happens is with with these like mlus I guess they're, not necessarily looking for the whole sentence, but they might be looking for, like a specific word or.

B

um Like you said that the nlu, what it does is is um in terms of like it extracts, you know, like the the the important information from your text, you know like you, you have a raw text and once you run an nlu process, you detect the important words that you wanna extract from there. You know yeah.

A

Gotcha that makes sense just like where you had I want three pizzas like if someone was like I want three pepperoni pizzas like it will just be looking for the number three and then it'll be able to move to the next step. This is so cool that you made this um I love. It.

B

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B

Open source and it's free, so you can install it and play with it yeah. Let.

A

Me pull up the you gave us the the GitHub link a second ago, so I put it up on the on the screen. Y'all I can't, unfortunately, put it in the comments um because we have a block on links for the GitHub, but if you do want to check out this project, go to github.com.

A

Cx-Cli give it a star as well. um That will be like a nice little way to to help contribute. um Also I, believe you said your documentation. A little bit more about the project can be found found at cxcli.sabi dot. Dot me all right, so this was a great demo. I think I'm going to transition into just talking about um your experience as a maintainer and stuff like that.

A

If you're, okay, with that yeah cool and I'll, highlight a couple, people if you have questions, feel free to type type them in here we did have a few before I. Do that somebody was asking like um how's that security aspect of something like this I, don't I'm, not sure.

B

Yeah, like uh in terms of the CLI itself,.

A

B

Yeah, like I, mean we are interacting with a Google apis and in terms of the security uh like everything is super secure because we are relying on the Google Cloud as a vendor and and in terms of compliance. Google is has like all the compliances that are available. You know, like the all the iso, all the COC hip-hop PCI, so yeah um I'm in terms of the CLI I'm, just calling the the apis and and put in like a a friendly user interface. You know doing that with with those apis. Basically,.

A

Awesome, that's great. um Somebody asked and I already kind of know the answer to this. They said: can we make a Hands-On laugh so not during this stream weekend, because the way the stream is set up is just more like a demo and understanding what the open source project is. But um do you happen to know any places where people can practice um using dialogflow or using your CLI.

B

Yeah um there are uh I have to find it, but there are a lot of collabs I, think they are available under the dollar flow CX official documentation. So there are some collabs that you can. You can start with and and now with the CLI.

B

um You can create, like your an agent uh like a non-production agent, you know and and interact with uh with the CLI as a Hands-On and and then use it uh for your for your all. Your Radiance basically awesome.

A

So go to the official documentation, y'all find the labs there and then install um this p. Eli project and you'll be able to just interact with it. Just learn, learn in real time and then um someone also well one person said: oh wow. This is really cool, helpful um and then another person was asking.

A

um Does this have a go package? I think they were asking that when um you were like listing the languages yeah.

B

Yeah, so yes, because there is a gold package and what I was creating at the same time that I was creating. The CLI is like a lot of helpful helpful functions. I mean the the golang client for to interact with uh with the Google apis are like very easy to use, but I created a package which is a I mean that is being used for the CLI. That has a lot of functions to make it this even easier so yeah. That is, that is there as well.

A

Awesome awesome um people said they enjoy your presentation. Someone also asks we can use this to enhance telegram. Bots yeah.

B

Yeah for sure, for sure uh you have to create like an adapter from that of Logics to telegram, but yeah go for it and, and it is, it is really easy to use awesome.

A

Great all right so I'm gonna quickly move into some of the other questions um and, like my first one to you, is like I I love to I. Love to tell people like get into open source become a maintainer that will help to boost your career. But I also like to be realistic about like the challenges that people face, um while they're being maintained or so I'm curious. What challenges have you faced as a maintainer.

B

So that is being a maintainer I have to say that it's something that is not easy, and that requires time. So the first thing would be uh when you are not a full-time open source. Maintainer, uh you have to deal. You know with your with the proper balance from your your day-to-day with your job plus maintaining open source project, which is my case, for example, so that is the the most important one and then the other ones as a maintainer is testing.

B

So when, when you create an open source project, you want to see test you want to see. You know like things uh that that tells you that your software is following best practices same with the security vulnerabilities.

B

Like add a bunch of security vulnerabilities, like uh called ql, like you know, like all the code scans, that you can add added, because that means that as a maintainer, your code is being secure and following best practices and then the the last challenge is, in my case it's it's not that case, because it's a CLI, it's a client I, don't need a to run these things on clusters. But let's say that I am running an open source or something in in one server.

B

The another big challenge is is how to get the money to pay that infrastructure that server. You know.

A

B

Yeah, those are the the big challenges but but yeah it's I always say that one step at a time. You know so everything you have to as an open source, a biller. You have to create things belief on your on the things that you are creating and then the time will tell you that you, like your your hard work. You know like we'll, we'll give you like all the things that that you will deserve. Basically,.

A

Yeah yeah, no I I believe that I understand that, like you're saying it's a hard road, but eventually it will pay off and I think those are all fair things to bring up like there's, not a lot of time that you need extra time to to build your your project on the side.

A

um You need help with testing and security of all their abilities and then even just the maintenance of the software, like you said, um because you're not getting paid to do this daily. So um this is that those were really great call outs. um My other question to you, though, is what parts have been rewarding to you. What has started paying off for you as an open source, maintainer.

B

Well, the the feedback from the users like because, in my case I created the like, you know, like I, created uh uh I, solve a need, so people or more people uh were you know like facing the same issue, so they were very grateful with me like. Oh thank you, you know for for building these, for you know like advocating the tool as well learning teaching and building a nice recommendation. That is easy to follow. You know, which is very important as well as a maintainer, so yeah, but basically the the feedback.

A

Yeah, oh sorry, I love that yeah I feel like seeing open source. Maintainers is like we like to help and we like to see that it was helpful to people. So when someone's like hey. um This was really helpful. You're like yeah this. This just made it worth it for me, um because I know that what I've made is helpful to y'all. um My other thought and I've been asking people. This is like how can we improve diversity and open source?

A

um Last month? I was asking this to Black maintainers, because I noticed there's not a lot of black maintainers in open source, but also my it doesn't have to be about block maintainers I, know you're, located in Spain and I. Think, like globally, we don't see a lot of Open Source maintainers or a lot of people involved in open source that are like based in different countries. So I'm curious on your thoughts.

B

I am uh fully agree with you and finances what we should do and what we have to do better said is Empower, you know creating by creating events supporting like more collectives.

B

You know like, for instance, right now when, because I am speaker as well, when you apply as a as a speaker to a conference, there are, you know, like a lot of filters to make sure that, under the you know, under the main stage, all the people has the same opportunities, which is great, and that is something that that we have seen and that we are seeing more and more so I think those things are are helping to improve the the diversity you know in open source and and yeah I mean and- and you know like, if you know anyone like or someone that, like financially like it, is under a or under an under represented group or something Empower, him hair or you know like and um and makes things easier as well helping them to whatever.

A

B

Think those are really.

A

Good points on empowering and um the point around conferences as well and showcasing different kinds of people and making sure you support those events. um My last couple well actually I have a few more, but my question to you is like how can people contribute and support your project like what would be most helpful to you.

B

So a for to help these spread. Specifically, there are two ways: the first one is uh you can. If you wanna have a more features you can just for the project and create a PR. That is the the one way that you can contribute and the other way is giving feedback. This tool has a Discord server that is under the the GitHub repo, so you can join there and give feedback and help troubleshooting. You know like all these things can be done under the Discord server and also on GitHub discussions uh creating issues.

B

So those things are really good to keep tracking and keep helping and contribute into this project.

A

Awesome awesome so join in join the Discord and also um create a PR um on their repo and I. Have the the link to the repo below? um Do you have any advice? And maybe this is a hard question I find that sometimes people make open source projects and then they struggle to get people who are also contributing to their projects or sponsoring their projects or even just know about their project. Do you have any advice on how what you've been trying to do to get your project more exposure.

B

So basically, it's um what I'm doing, for instance here, is advocating your project, belief in your project and what you have built and and that's the main thing, and you know like applying as a as a speaker in conferences to talk about your open source project. Creating a you know, like articles blog articles, uh tutorials that uh you know like getting started guides that can help people so I think those are the the main things.

B

Also, if you see that in terms of sponsors and all that stuff, if you know one company that is using your technology, so you can pin him. So if you can pin them and say, hey hi I know that you are using that it's. uh It could be fantastic. If you can sponsor me, because you know there is time behind every single project, so yeah.

A

Good advice- sometimes you just gotta, put yourself out there. Sometimes people might be nervous to ask, but the company is making money off of your project so might as well just say: hey I, love that you're using this. How can we make this mutually beneficial? Oh and then I love your advice on writing blog posts and stuff, like that. That's something I always encourage open source maintainers to do because the more blog posts you write or documentation, the easier people will find your project and learn how to use it.

A

um Okay, so we will move into since I. Don't see any more questions from the audience. I did see people earlier, just saying, Hey to you, I guess these are some of your friends or maybe people that um like follow your project um or I, don't know.

B

Probably probably.

A

um So my the non-technical questions I want to ask you are one: what is what was the first programming language that you ever learned and I? Guess this one's technical? But it's not necessarily.

B

Yeah I know uh that was Java uh at the my University. They teach you like programming, link or programming in general, with with Java as the first one, and because it's very easy to understand easy to to start with. You know, because you can just download the the Java development kit and you can, you know, start building your job up so yeah that was Java.

A

Nice, nice, um my other question to you is: if money wasn't an issue, how would you spend your time um job-wise or not, job-wise like what would you just want to be doing all day.

B

Basically, learning new technologies writing articles about those Technologies say creating videos. You know, like courses, free courses, free videos uh to share all the the new things that I'm learning.

A

Nice we sound pretty similar. That's why I signed up for this job, because I'm like all day I, could just learn new technologies and write about it or create content around it.

A

Okay. So my other question is like: what's a dream, open source project that you would like to create one day, I know you have the CLI project, but I don't know if there's any other. That you're, like I, really want to create this, but I might not have the time.

B

So um everything related to automation, like any automation, project that makes the the developer side and the developing the development cycle easier for developers. uh That would be fantastic. There is one open source project that I would love to start, which is a GitHub kubernetes operator, so you can deploy or create your GitHub things by deploying a kubernetes resources. So that is one thing that I would love to to do. But I don't know when yeah.

A

Whenever you get a chance to build that, come back on open source Friday, because that.

B

One sounds awesome for sure for sure.

A

Oh hey: if you can eat one food for the rest of your life, what would it be.

B

Well, I think that one is easy being from Valencia, which is paella, so one is the best rice dish in the world. As we said, yeah.

A

No, even just you saying that, like that made me hungry, I was like oh, my God, I'm, hungry, awesome, okay and then uh other question: do you pronounce the word gif or do you pronounce it gif.

B

A

Okay, nice cool and then last but not least, what is your favorite Beyonce song.

B

All the single ladies okay.

A

B

Exciting, okay.

A

This was really really great. I will want to end by like saying what should P? How should people follow you? um Is it on Twitter or whatever do you have any upcoming events that you want them to check out or anything yeah.

B

So they can reach me out. I am very active in Twitter at shabidop, so yeah YouTube as well. Github it up uh on LinkedIn as well and and on my uh personal uh website, which is savitup.me, is where I usually post my articles in English and also in Spanish so yeah. That is the the place.

A

Awesome y'all, so you heard go.

A

Ahead, thank you all so much for tuning in I really love the engagement from the the audience in the comments. This was great and thank you Javi for um just walking us through, like how.

B

A

And telling us a little bit more about conversational, Ai and dialogue flow, and this awesome CLI tool that you made don't forget, y'all to go ahead and give his project a star I'm.

A

Looking for the banner okay here we go, don't forget to give it a star, don't forget to see if there's ways that you can help to improve it by creating a PR or I think sometimes just using the project is helpful to maintainer as well, so go ahead and install it um so that you can be able to give feedback on how it can be improved. um Thank you. So much y'all have a great Friday and don't forget again.

A

um There's a woman in open source, Life Sciences events happening and I have so much stuff like cool there's, a woman in open source, Life Sciences event happening where they're going over, like the challenges that women have in open source and how we can help to increase open source and low income and middle income areas. um Thank you. So much y'all I will let you all go now.

B