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A
All
right
looks
like
we're
live
on
youtube,
so
I
am
eric
johnson
cto
of
get
lab
and
this
is
february
17th
2021
and
doing
an
ama
with
the
company.
So
yarn
it
looks
like
you've
got
the
first
question
in
the
doc.
A
Yeah,
so
thanks
for
the
question,
I
think
first
of
all,
thank
you.
I
think
you
know
I
I
haven't
been
particularly
title
focused
on
my
career.
I've
had
and
that's
you
know
it's
easy
to
say
when
you
have
a
big
title
like
the
titles.
Don't
matter
right,
so
I
acknowledge
that,
but
I
think
genuinely.
If
you
look
at
my
career,
my
linkedin,
you
know
having
having
kind
of
come
up
through
the
ranks.
I
haven't
really
focused
on
title
a
tremendous
amount.
A
I
tend
to
focus
on
results
and
making
my
boss's
life
easier.
Making
my
teammates
lives
better
their
working
lives,
and
I
think
that's
that's
really
the
right
way
to
do
it.
There's
definitely
moments
where
you
have
to
kind
of,
like
you
know,
advocate
for
yourself
make
a
proposal
or
you
know
maybe
you're
going
through
a
performance
review.
You
know
some
of
the
things
you
did,
but
that's
a
tiny
portion
of
the
time
that
I've
I've
spent
on
it.
A
So
for
the
most
part
I
didn't
think
about
what
I
can
do
with
for
the
organization
or
the
title,
and
you
know
what
I
can
do.
A
A
Yeah,
so
thanks
for
asking
first
I'll
say:
the
timing
of
the
cma
is
totally
coincidental.
These
things
are
scheduled,
you
know
months
in
advance,
and
we
just
happen
to
have
two
announcements
related
to
me
this
time
this
wasn't
planned.
I
just
wanted
to
call
that
out
so
yeah
I
was.
I
was
elected
to
the.
I
have
to
be
a
director
on
the
board
of
directors
for
the
linux
foundation.
A
So
that's
exciting
in
terms
of
what
it
means
it's
it's
brand
new,
so
I
literally
just
started
coordinating
with
them
this
week,
so
I'm
gonna
learn
a
lot.
It's
my
first
time
doing
board
work.
So
it's
a
chance
for
me
to
stretch
and
grow.
A
It's
also
a
new
organization
to
me,
and
I
don't
know
what
their
policy
about
transparency
is.
I
think
we
all
know
what
git
labs
policy
of
transparency
is,
which
is
by
default.
Everybody's
allowed
to
know
everything.
So
I
don't.
I
don't
want
to
immediately
cause
some
kind
of
conflict
with
this
new
organization,
I'm
a
member
of
by
just
kind
of
like
blurting
out
everything
I
think
or
know,
or
ideally
speculating
so
I'll,
speak
in
general
terms
and,
as
I
get
to
know
them
better.
A
Hopefully
I
can
be
much
more
transparent
within
the
company
and
on
a
youtube
live
stream
like
this
about
it.
So
I
think,
generally
speaking,
being
a
member
now
this
organization,
I'm
there
to
serve
so
there's
going
to
be
problems
or
opportunities
they
have
and
I'll
hopefully
be
in
a
position
to
help.
A
You
know
with
my
experience
or
my
network
or
whatever
it
is,
and
then
secondarily,
I
think,
there's
going
to
be
opportunities
to
create
like
these
win-win
scenarios
that
I'll
be
hunting
for
like
something
that
fits
with
their
needs
and
something
that
fits
with
get
lab
needs
and
see.
If
I
can
create
that
sort
of
connection,
so
there's
a
bunch
of
things
sort
of
potentials
on
this
list,
one
I
think
I
could
kind
of
safely
mention
is.
I
spoke
with
them.
A
I
think
a
couple
weeks
ago,
and
they
mentioned
they've-
got
this
project
called
d-bomb
or
digital
bill
of
materials,
and
this
may
be
interesting
to
gitlab
as
well
like
what
it's
meant
to
do.
Is
you?
You
know
you
have
some
software,
you
go
through
a
build
process.
You've
got
this
binary.
A
What's
in
this
thing
right
like,
and
this
is
really
relevant
nowadays,
because
we've
seen
supply
chain
attacks
like
solar,
winds
and
and
there's
some
other
ones
coming
out
of
academia
that
are
theoretically
possible,
or
maybe
maybe
in
the
wild
that
are
really
impactful,
and
so
the
fact
that
we
create
and
run
a
devsecourse
platform
means
well.
A
Not
only
do
we
need
this,
but
also
can
we
do
something
that
allows
our
customers
and
our
users
to
feel
safer
about
the
dependencies
that
they're
pulling
in
and
bundling,
and
whether
it's
containers
or
binaries
or
things
that
they're
shipping
can
we
increase
the
level
of
confidence
that
they
know
what's
in
there
and
that
it's
not
subject
to
known
unmitigated
attacks
and
things
like
that.
So
that
might
be
an
opportunity
to
say
hey.
They
need
some
help,
defining
the
project,
some
resources
building.
A
It
or
something,
and
then
it
might
be
something
that
we,
including
gitlab
down
the
road
who
knows
so
that's
emblematic
of
the
types
of
things
that
might
come
out
of
this
sort
of
collaboration.
A
Cool
darva
number
three.
E
All
right,
I
know
you
don't
want
to
talk
about
roles,
cto
roles,
but
I've
been
involved
in
a
lot
of
conversations
about
roles
at
gitlab,
whether
it's.
What
is
the
role
of
a
staff
senior
principal
and
it
really
kind
of
dawned
on
me
that
I
didn't
really
understand
the
difference
between
the
cto
role
and
this
at
git
lab
versus
ctos
at
other
companies.
So
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
elaborate
on
the
differences.
A
Sure
yeah
and
I
I
was
going
to
speak
to
some
of
this
dancer
yarn's
question,
but
I
saw
your
question
down
below
I'm
like
oh
I'll,
save
this
stuff,
because
I
think
your
question
sort
of
directly
asks
it.
So
what
is
a
cto
sort
of
begs
the
the
question?
And
I
think
it's
particularly
apt,
because,
amongst
all
the
c-level
roles,
this
is
probably
the
the
the
broadest
and
most
dynamic,
not
broad
in
terms
of
they're.
Doing
the
most
things
broad
in
terms
of
it
can
mean
so
many
different
things.
A
So
I
think
the
four
types
that
are
kind
of
relevant
to
discuss
today
are
one.
You
know
the
one
that
we
know
the
best
so
dz
our
prior
cto.
He
shifted
into
a
different
role.
I
think
a
couple
years
ago
at
this
point,
but
that's
the
one.
A
A
lot
of
people
have
been
here
a
long
time,
including
myself,
remember
and
he's
you
know
the
the
co-founder
cto
type
in
our
case,
being
an
open
court
company
he's
the
the
the
founder
of
the
initiative
of
the
open
source
project
right,
so
it's
even
more
meaningful
than
just
being
a
founder
cto,
and
that
role
is
sort
of
immutable.
You
know
it's
it's
irreplaceable
and
we're
fortunate
he's
still
here
and
he's
working
on
things
that
benefit
gitlab
and
that
he's
passionate
about.
A
So
let's
put
that
one
aside,
because
that's
sort
of
like
an
untouchable
role,
the
so
the
the
three
that
are
sort
of
relevant
or
one
I've
worked
with
ctos
in
the
past,
they're
kind
of
like
that
phd
in
computer
science
or
some
other
hyper
specialized
field
like
autonomy
or
or
aerospace,
or
something
like
that
and
they've
got
a
small
team
of
researchers
with
them
and
they're
working
on
things
that
are
really
far
future
and
they're
outside
of
engineering
and
product
development,
sort
of
proper
they're
working
on
things
on
the
farthest
time
horizon
and
then
the
second
is
kind
of
like
the
super
vp
of
engineering.
A
I
mean
they.
They
run
engineering
and
do
a
variety
of
other
things,
and
then
the
third
that
I've
worked
with
is
almost
kind
of
like
the
head
sales
engineer
like
they're
they're,
working
mostly
with
customers
and
they're,
doing
evangelism
and
speaking
and
press
and
things
like
that.
So
those
three
types
I
think
I'm
clearly
the
most
the
middle
one
I
sort
of
came
up
through
that
kind
of
like
engineering
management,
vp
of
engineering
type
role,
so
I
think
that's
sort
of
the
base
of
my
responsibilities.
A
Over
the
past,
like
I'd
say
a
year
I
took
our
press
training
and
I
became
the
executive
account
sponsor
of
a
number
of
our
big
customers,
and
I've
been
doing
some
press
and
media
interviews,
and
things
like
that.
So
I've
been
branching
out
into
that
third
type.
A
I've
I've
mentioned
and
doing
some
of
those
things,
but
by
no
means
the
majority
of
my
responsibilities
and
then
part
of
this
change,
which
was
made
official
yesterday,
is
kind
of
branching
out
into
that
first
area
I
mentioned,
and
so
we're
going
to
create
a
seventh
department
in
engineering.
So,
in
addition
to
development
infrastructure,
quality
security,
support
in
ux
there'll,
be
this
thing:
we're
calling
for
now
new
markets
and
there's
going
to
be
a
leader,
we're
recruiting
for
a
vp
of
new
markets.
A
The
job
family
is
live
and
there's
a
handbook
page
that
sort
of
stubs
up
this
new
department
and
obviously
this
leader
is
going
to
take
that
over
and
flesh
it
out
further.
But
this
is
really
going
to
be
rolling
up
some
of
what
we
call
single
engineer
groups
into
this
small
sort
of
office
and
trying
to
work
on
things
that
don't
have
revenue
today.
Don't
even
have
usage
today,
but
may
three
to
five
years
out.
So
it's
kind
of
working
on
that
longer
time
horizon,
and
this
is
something
that
sid
spends
a
long
time.
A
Thinking
about.
I
think
we're
at
the
point
where
we
need
more
more
people
than
just
sid
thinking
three
to
five
years
out,
and
so
I'm
going
to
get
to
to
work
on
a
category
of
those
projects
with
this
person.
So
the
interesting
thing
about
new
markets-
and
maybe
someone-
oh,
I
see
someone
already
put
in
the
the
handbook
like
thanks-
is
it's
almost
like
an
incubator,
so
think
of.
A
Like
you
know,
you
might
fill
out
an
application
of
y
combinator
and
apply
and
start
a
company
that
way
or
you
might
take
something
you
built
and
bring
it
to
git
lab
and
do
the
same
thing.
But
if
you
do
it,
the
latter
way,
you're
doing
it
within
this
larger
company
and
you're
doing
it
within
this
larger
code
base,
because
we're
a
single
application
for
the
devsecops
lifecycle.
So
that's
interesting
and
that's
pretty
unique
right,
because
big,
bigger
companies,
big
projects,
have
benefits
like
we
have.
A
You
know
if
you're
doing
this
by
yourself,
you'd
be
worrying
about
keeping
the
lights
on
and
fundraising,
and
all
these
other
things
and
someone
doing
this
with
us
doesn't
have
to
worry
about
that
stuff,
we're
sort
of
taking
care
of
those
aspects
in
the
code
base.
You
know
we
already
have
a
bunch
of
stuff
like
authentication
and
with
things
they
can
benefit
from.
We
also
have
users
that
will
use
this
thing
once
it's
in
our
single
application.
Those
are
the
benefits
the
downsides.
A
Are
those
big
companies
come
with
sort
of
inevitable
degree
of
bureaucracy,
and
so
how
do
you
navigate
that?
Let's,
you
know,
think
of
what
founders
have
very
little
friction
when
they're
starting
something
they
don't
have
security
reviews
and
they
don't
have
compliance
and
things
like
that.
They
don't
have
legal,
they
kind
of
fly
under
the
radar.
They
probably
need
those
things
but
nobody's
really
paying
attention
until
you
become
a
bigger,
significant
company.
A
So
how
can
we
do
this
in
a
way
where
we're
allowing
the
company
to
focus
on
future
very
important
things
and
things
that
could
double
our
valuation,
five
or
ten
years
from
now
be
take
the
benefits
of
being
part
of
this
larger
code
base
and
larger
organization?
But
without
any
of
the
detractors
that's
sort
of
the
strategy
here
and
this
this
makes
it
really
sort
of
unique
so
to
be
really
interesting
role
attractive
in
some
ways,
it's
going
to
be
an
incredibly
difficult
job
in
other
ways,
for
both
myself
and
this
person.
A
But
that's
that's
what
we're?
What
we're
intending
to
do
so,
I
think,
in
the
answer
to
your
question.
I
think
I'm
that
that
center
type,
probably
about
30
of
companies,
have
a
cto
that
also
runs
engineering.
I
think
I'm
that
type,
but
I've
been
branching
out
into
the
customer
facing
press
rolls
and-
and
this
is
the
sort
of
like
longer
time
horizon
type
thing
that
makes
sense.
B
A
A
It
runs
so
well
like
I
had
to
say
I'm
a
daily
linux
user
because
it
runs
so
well.
I
don't
even
have
to
touch
it
daily
right.
That's
the
that's
the
beautiful
thing
about
linux,
but
I
do
I
do
use
it
at
home
and
occasionally
for
for
work,
and
you
know,
there's
there's
virtualized
for
ways
to
use
linux
and
things
like
that.
So
it's
been
a
while,
since
I
tried
to
make
it
my
my
daily
driver,
I
have
a.
I
have
a
chromebook.
A
For
instance,
that's
part
of
the
company
experience
experiment
that
I'm
that
I
travel
with
and
whatnot,
but
we
haven't
been
traveling
at
all.
So
it
may
be
something
that
I
think
about.
I'm
almost
near
that
hardware
refresh
point,
and
so
I
may
think
about
that
before
I
get
a
new
device,
there's
also
the
the
apple
silicon
coming
out
too.
So
it's
going
to
be
two
in
two
interesting
things.
I
could
do
interesting
directions.
I
could
take
my
my
next
work
device
in
but
we'll
see.
F
Yeah,
it's
just
a
curious
question.
What
what
do
you
see?
What's
your
favorite
linux
distribution,
and
do
you
see
the
market
consolidating
on
a
couple
of
distributions,
or
how
do
you
see
like
the
future
of
linux,
going.
A
Oh
yeah,
I
mean
I've
only
been
on
the
board
two
days.
So
that's
for
the
tough
questions
I
mean,
I
think,
just
because
I've
been
I've
been
I've
had
this
server
running
for
a
decade.
Now
it's
on
ubuntu,
so
I
think
I
have
to
say
ubuntu
it
just
works
works
beautifully
at
my
last
company.
We
have
users
of
of
core
os,
and
so
the
idea
that
you've
got
this
sort
of
immutable
file
system
is
is
really
interesting
for
containers.
A
I
think
it
got
deprecated
or
open
sourced
or
I
haven't
really
been
following
it,
so
it
may
not
be
around
anymore.
We
also
use
alpine,
though
so
the
the
idea
of
these
sort
of
like
micro,
kernels
and
things
like
that
are
really
sort
of
interesting.
A
Oh,
I
see
I
I
chris
just
slack
that
kouros
got
popped
by
red
hat,
so
I'm
not
sure.
What's
what's
going
on
with
that
project,
but
we'll
see.
A
G
A
It
was,
it
was
surprisingly
asynchronous.
You
know,
gitlab
we're
we're
distributed,
we're
all
remote.
We
work
asynchronous,
which
I
tend
to
think
of
as
a
really
unique
way
of
working,
but
this
was
kind
of
the
first
time
done,
a
highly
asynchronous
process
outside
of
gitlab,
so
they
reached
out
to
us
and
we
had
an
issue
going
internally
with,
I
think
external
comms
and
marketing
about
who
might
the
suitable
applicants
be.
What
might
those
nomination
statements
look
like?
That
was
really
the
form
it
took.
A
The
the
interface
was
a
nomination
statement,
so
you
know
who
am
I?
What
have
I
done?
How
could
I
help
the
board
we
submitted
that
I
think
there
was
a
a
light
amount
of
you
know
campaigning.
You
know
reach
out
to
your
network
and,
and
things
like
that-
and
I
know
some
people
kind
of
on
the
board,
who
are
voters
who
happened
to
know,
get
labbers
kind
of
reached
out
and
said?
Hey,
you
know
is
this:
who
is
this
person
that
a
good
person-
I
said?
A
Yes,
you
know,
so
I
appreciate
everybody
that
helped
out
with
that
process
and
it
worked
out,
and
so
I
you
know
I'd
say
I
stand
on
the
shoulders
of
giants.
I
mean
gitlab
is
an
incredibly
powerful
platform
or
soapbox
to
be
standing
on
to
do
things
like
this.
So
it's
a
credit
to
the
open
source
project
and
the
company
that
we've
built
and
and
our
growth
as
a
startup
so
made
it
surprisingly
smooth.
A
C
Thanks
thanks
christy
for
fixing
my
typo,
I
noticed
so
eric.
I
wanted
to
check
if
you
have
any
any
keep
an
intention,
an
eye
on
any
interesting
cryptocurrency
tokens,
there's
a
lot
of
hypes
and
moves,
but
in
particular,
do
you
have
any
visibility
on
the
basic
attention
token
that
has
been
gathering
some
interest
and
news
have
any
thoughts
on
that.
A
Well,
I
mean
in
general
cryptocurrencies
I
heard
about
it.
I
think
when
I
first
moved
out
to
san
francisco,
this
was
like
2012..
There
was
a
guy
mining
on
a
usb
stick
in
his
macbook.
While
we
were
working
like
tens
of
coins
from
you
know,
it
wasn't
even
an
asic.
I
know
I
think
it
was
an
asic
and
I
was
like
oh
that's
interesting
and
I
took
a
few
minutes
during
lunch
hour
and
tried
to
like
set
up
a
wallet
and
buy
some.
A
A
However,
I
think
I
had
like
10
or
12
bitcoins
at
one
point,
so
looking
at
the
price
nowadays,
I
think
it
hit
50
000
yesterday,
whatever
it's
like,
oh
you
know,
I
think
I
sold
them
when
I
hit
like
six
or
800
bucks,
and
I
walked
away
thinking
like
yeah,
pretty
pretty
smart.
Look
at
look
at
me,
so
I'm
not
I'm
not
a
big
like
I,
I
you
know
when
you're
in
san
francisco,
you
just
hear
about
these
things
in
coffee,
shops
and
stuff,
like
that.
A
So
you
build
up
this
general
awareness,
but
I
I
can't
say
I
was
early
or
particularly
savvy
about
the
whole
thing,
and
I
think
I
still
have
some
that
is
just
sitting
there
mainly
to
avoid
fomo.
So
when
bitcoin
goes
up,
I
can
say
like:
oh,
I
have
like
a
couple
hundred
bucks
of
it
or
something
like
that
versus
when
you
have
zero,
it's
kind
of
like.
Oh,
you
regret
not
participating
in
some
way.
A
So
that's
really
my
involvement
in
it.
I
mean,
philosophically,
I
think
it's
one
intended
to
be
a
value
store
and
two
intended
to
be
a
transaction
medium.
It's
clearly
a
value
store.
It
may
be
very
risky
or
volatile
whether
or
not
it's
a
it's.
A
transaction
medium
is
kind
of
the
big
question
for
cryptocurrencies
like
would
they
eventually
replace
fiat
currencies
or
something
down
the
line
or
just
be
tolerated
kind
of
next
to
fiat
currencies?
A
I
don't
know
the
fact
that
tesla
just
bought
a
big
1.5
billion
or
something
like
that
and
they're
gonna
accept
it
for
cars
is,
is
really
interesting,
but
we'll
see
how
that
works
out.
I
haven't
been
following
the
the
basic
attention
coin
thing
that
you
that
you
mentioned,
so
maybe
you
could
just
kind
of
like
underline
what
that
one
is
for
people.
C
Sure
so,
first,
I
think
a
lot
of
the
people
on
the
call
might
recognize
the
creator's
name
brendan
ike
who's
behind
you
know
javascript,
but
so
basically,
what
it
is
is
a
token
that
is
aimed
at
replacing
the
broken
model
of
advertising
on
the
internet,
where
ubi
browsing
will
collect
tokens
and
generate
tokens
and
then
you're
able
to
set
up
on
the
browser,
for
example,
brave
you're,
able
to
set
up
a
contribution,
a
monthly
contribution
to
the
websites
you
visit
in
this
particular
thing.
C
It
has
been
used
for
tipping
online,
where
you
want
to
tip
a
twitter,
create
twitter,
a
tweet
author,
or
in
this
particular
more
close
to
home,
an
open
source
project.
You
might
be
able
to
tip
something
on
gitlab
using
this
token,
if
you
so,
which
wish
to
do
that.
The
the
curious
is
that
it's
not
bound
to
brave
or
or
any
particular
thing.
It's
just
a
crypto
week,
any
any
platform
online
can
implement
and
adopt
as
a
currency
but
yeah,
as
you
said,
very
well
volatile
very
much.
C
We
don't
know
exactly
what's
going
to
happen,
but
it
is
something
I
keep
an
eye
out,
but
it's
something
that
I
have
no
idea
how
it's
going
to
turn
up.
I'm
going.
A
I
googled
it
while
you're
shocking
and
just
kind
of
read
the
overview
page,
so
it
seems
interesting.
I
mean
the
in
terms
of
tipping,
I
mean
it
seems
like
being
an
open
source
company
and
and
having
a
general
concern
for
open
source
projects.
Maybe
it's
the
way
that
open
source
contributors
or
founders
could
get
some
some
revenue
to
work
on
the
project
more
time.
So
that
seems
like
a
good
angle
in
terms
of
advertising.
A
I
mean
I've
always
been
in
enterprise
technology.
I've
never
been
in
consumer
technology,
so
I
can't
claim
to
be
an
expert
about
ads
and
things
like
that.
Maybe
it's
a
way
to
you
know
allow
for
advertising,
but
at
the
same
time
allow
for
a
little
bit
more
anonymity
on
the
on
the
web.
For
for
better
or
worse,
I
think,
like
you
know,
a
lot
of
us
are
maybe
technical,
libertarians
and
and
just
believe
in
that
as
a
value.
A
But
as
browsers
is
one
thing
when
you
look
at
what's
going
on
in
some
countries
with
journalists
and
things
like
that,
anonymity
is
much
more
sort
of
important
to
me.
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
kind
of
kind
of
angle
there,
but
those
are
the
types
of
things
I
tend
to
think
about
is
how
can
these?
How
can
technology
benefit
society
in
some
way?
It's
possible
to
do
things
make
a
lot
of
money
quickly,
but
that's
you
know,
my
hope
is
the
technology
industry
can
do.
G
C
G
Just
remind
her
that
we
have
four
minutes
so
right
to
your
questions.
Probably
our
last
one.
Do
you
want
to
verbalize
number
eight.
H
Sure,
sorry,
this
is
kind
of
a
long
one,
but
I
have
recently
been
attending
some
or
I've
been
attending
events
that
talk
about
diversity,
inclusion
and
belonging,
and
I
was
wondering
what
are
some
of
the
things
on
your
mind
as
a
cto
in
terms
of
you
know,
furthering
our
our
value
of
diversity,
inclusion
and
belonging,
and
specifically,
I
thought
it
was
really
cool
that
google
has
this
department
about
product
inclusion,
and
you
know
I've
been
mentioning
it
to
several
different
groups.
H
So
we
just
love
your
thoughts
on
on
how
we
can
keep
growing
our
engineering
org.
In
that
way,.
A
Sure,
yeah
and
if
we
just
happen
to
have
launched
some
new
handbook
content,
we
call
fy22
direction
so
fiscal
22
direction,
meaning
a
one-year
time
horizon
so
kind
of
a
larger
arc
of
work
to
which
we
can
all
ascribe.
A
Like
the
you
know,
the
daily
tasks,
maybe
the
things
we
don't
like
to
provide
some
meaning
things
like
quarterly
okrs,
should
be
big
bites
out
of
this
year-long
arc
and
diversity
is,
I
think,
in
the
the
second
paragraph,
or
something
like
that,
so
some
of
the
things
we
did
and
and
are
doing,
I'd
want
to
call
out
are
when
we
launched
an
internship
last
year-
and
I
think
this
was
you
know-
internship
programs
are
typically
sort
of
a
long-term
recruiting
play,
and
that's
that's
true
for
us,
but
for
us
it
was
also
like
how
can
all
remote
really
work
for
people
that
are
new
to
the
technology
industry?
A
I
mean,
I
want
to
say
entry
level,
but
it
may
be
someone
who's,
a
mother
who's
returning
to
the
workforce
after
taking
some
time
off
to
care
for
their
kids.
It
might
be
a
coal
miner
that
got
some
computer
science
training
and
wants
to
switch
fields
because
their
their
field
is
changing
or
something
like
that.
That's
something
real
that's
happening,
I
believe
in
kentucky.
A
So
that's
why
I
call
that
outside
abstract
or
it
may
be
a
new
grad
from
a
university
program
or
something
like
that
and
when
you
start
your
first
tech
job,
you
need
a
tremendous
amount
of
you
know,
help
and
assistance
and
lots
of
times
you're
sitting
physically
next
to
someone
beside
you,
you
just
pepper
them
with
questions
all
day
and
all
remote.
You
don't
have
that
sort
of
office
environment
where
that
could
happen.
So
for
us,
we
really
wanted
to
prove
that
all
remote
can
work
for
people
that
are
brand
new
to
technology.
A
We
created
a
bunch
of
extra
support
systems
and
that
program
had
a
sort
of
diversity
angle,
because
our
recruiting
methodology
at
the
time
was
outbound
only,
and
so
it
ended
up
being
a
a
very
diversity
focused
internship
program.
We
formalized
that
aspect
of
it.
So
that's
that's.
When
that
program
was
successful,
we
ended
up
converting
three
of
our
interns
to
full-time,
and
that
was
tremendously
exciting.
Then,
after
that
we
said,
you
know
how
can
we
move
upstream
so
to
speak
in
people's
career
and
development?
A
So
the
internship
leads
right
into
an
intermediate
full-time
software
engineer
position.
Let's
say
what
about
people
that
are
looking
to
get
into
an
internship?
What
could
we
do
for
that?
So
this
this
past
year,
fi
21,
we
launched
a
voluntary
coaching
program
for
underrepresented
groups,
so
anyone
in
engineering,
anyone
in
the
company
that
has
time
and
skills
can
volunteer
to
be
a
coach.
We've
got
three
partners
identified,
relearn,
latinitas
and
free
code
camp,
and
you
can
donate
your
time
to
help.
A
People
from
underrepresented
groups
just
learn
the
basic
skills
they
need
to
get
their
first
tech,
job
and
and
if
they're
successful,
that
would
lead
into
our
internship,
which
then
could
lead
into
again
an
intermediate
position
at
gitlab
and
potentially
full-time
employment.
A
So
those
are
some
concrete
ways.
People
can
help.
The
other
thing
I
would
want
to
call
out
is
our
our
dibs
team
just
launched
brand
new
diversity
training.
That's
very
git
lab
focus,
so
we've
had
training
in
the
past,
that's
sort
of
like
the
generic
canned
stuff
in
california.
There's
some
state
mandated
training,
but
it's
very
generic.
We've
all
seen
those
sort
of
videos
they
launched,
something
that's
kind
of
unique
to
us
and,
and
you
know,
being
all
remote
being
distributed.
A
We
work
with
people
across
different
languages,
different
cultures.
Those
are
things
you
don't
typically
see
highlighted
in
other
diversity
programs,
and
so
it's
cool
to
see
them
sort
of
tailor
that
so
that's
now
available.
I
encourage
everybody
to
take
that
and
then
you
know
we'll
likely
you
know
we'll
get.
I
know
half
or
two
thirds
of
the
organization
that
way,
and
then
you
know
maybe
we'll
do
an
okay
or
next
quarter
to
make
sure
everybody
goes
through
the
program
or
something
like
that.
E
Eric
can
I
jump
in
there
real
quick.
You
also
approved
the
advanced
software
engineering
course
that
we're
partnering
with
morehouse
college
on
and
those
are
college
students
and
we've
got
participants
on
the
call
who
are
instructors
and
those
students
very
well
could
apply
to
our
internships
and
those
are
students
being
exposed
to
the
gitlab
product
for
the
very
first
time,
as
well
as
learning
things
about
our
culture
and
just
a
lot
of
great
things
about
our
product.
G
A
Just
thanks
for
all
the
great
questions
and
my
thoughts
go
out
to
everybody
in
texas
in
the
middle
part
of
the
usa,
that's
struggling
with
the
weather
and
the
power
situation.
We've
got
christopher
levelholtz
out
there
trying
to
trying
to
stay
warm.
So
you
know,
I
hope,
everybody's
doing
well
and
let
us
know
if
gitlab
can
help.