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HeleCloud talks Cloud is a weekly occurring live online event on news updates in Cloud. Every week, news topics from the cloud space are being discussed by the hosts Detelina and Walter and their guests Adric Walter & Michael Friedrich.
A
So
back
to
cloud
news.
We
have
a
number
of
interesting
topics
today.
My
favorite
one
is
how
cloudflare
is
suggesting
an
end
to
the
captcha
madness,
where
they're
suggesting
a
solution
which
is
going
to
use
a
device
id
which
a
machine
can't
have
and
it's
based
on
secure,
usb
security
keys
like
ub
keys
and
right
now,
it's
in
in
better
testing
mode
and
it's
only
available
on
a
few
systems
and
websites.
B
Yes,
I
I
I
tried
using
a
yubikey
quite
a
while
ago,
but
then
I'm
a
mess
and
I've
kept
forgetting
it
in
places
and
I'm
being
locked
out
of
my
own
devices,
because
I
didn't
have
my
ubc
with
me.
Now,
I'm
using
one
that's
actually
from
a
while
ago,
we
had
to
sign
some
european
union
documents
and
needed
to
go
through
the
trouble
of
getting
a
personalized
cryptographic.
B
B
C
Yeah,
so
we
kind
of
have
the
problem
that
we
capture
works
and
it's
a
reliable
solution,
but
there
are
also
alternatives
and
with
recaptcha
you
also
have
like
the
problem
you
have
for
proprietary
code
around,
which
means
it
would
be
interesting
for
those
who
just
want
to
run
free,
open
source
code
with
gitlab
open
source,
for
example,
that
they
can
use
a
spam
prevention
method,
but
not
necessarily
tied
to
recapture
and
there's
age
capture.
There
are
different
implementations
around
one
major
problem.
C
Is
I've
seen
that
myself,
when
running
community
forums
or
something
like
that
there
are
people
actually
getting
paid
of
hacking,
the
recaptures,
and
then
you
get
spammed
anyway.
So
I'm
I'm
looking
forward
to
a
different
method
than
just
recapture
and
solving
a
puzzle
or
me
clicking
on
what
is
a
bike?
What
is
about
pictures
all
the
time
having
it
in
a
more
like
reliable
way,
be
the
either
a
token
or
something
else?
C
B
In
in
the
netherlands,
we
have
your
your
national
identity,
is
your
national
digital
identity
is
called
dgd
and
what
they've
done
is
actually
quite
interesting.
So
you
have
a
digital
app
on
your
phone
and
then
you
use
that
app
to
authenticate
yourself
with
dozens
of
of
online
government
services,
and
it
spreads
really
all
the
way
from
municipalities
to
to
ministries,
to
ind,
to
a
whole
system.
Yeah
and
there's
a
lot
to
complain
about
in
the
netherlands.
A
B
No,
it's
quite
interesting
because
you
go
to
the
website
that
you
want
to
log
into
then
you
click
the
button.
Then
it
goes
to
dgd.
You
have
to
open
the
app
on
your
phone
where
you
get
a
notification,
you
click
that
and
then
you
go
back
to
the
back
and
then
the
on
your
web
browser
you
automatically
get
signed.
C
D
Yeah,
you
will
see
all
kinds
of
over
time
things
becoming
less
secure.
Just
like
I
mean
the
password.
The
reason
we
have
capture
now
is
don't
forget
that
we
first
had
username
and
passwords,
and
then
they
taught
me
how
to
a
third
security
layer
which
would
be
capture
hey,
which
click
on
the
bridge
or
click
click
on
on
the
cars
or
or
the
traffic
lights,
but
yeah
from
regarding
the
user
experience
that
it's
not
always
very,
very
good,
because
how
many
times
have
we
been
clicking
on
the
refresh
button
and
yeah?
D
What
I?
What
I
expect
is
that
yeah
this,
this
type
of
security
layer
is
also
going
to
be
another
one
where
it's
actually
every
security
layers.
At
the
same
time,
also
a
factor
attack
where,
where
things
are
we're,
gonna
try
to
crack
it
either
way.
I
mean
it's
more,
the
the
human
behavior.
That's
that's
not
never
going
to
change
when
it
comes
to
security.
D
So
in
that,
in
that
case
I
expected
to
to
be-
and
hey
I
mean
playing
old
sms-
is
also
one
very
good
mechanism
of
of
defense.
I
mean
sometimes
when
you,
you
forgot
your
authenticator.
You
can
click
on
an
alternative,
mata
to
extra
authenticate
yourself
and
then
say
hey.
We
can
send
you
an
sms.
Like
hey,
I
thought
we
are
using
all
kinds
of
apps
nowadays
to
avoid
using
sms,
but
that's
it's
so
cool
to
see
that
sms,
actually
reinvented
reinvented
itself.
A
D
A
D
Azure
walter
been
doing
cloud
all
types
of
cloud
projects
in
the
last
eight
to
ten
years,
I'm
mainly
nowadays
into
cloud
integration
and
cyber
security.
These
are
these
are
my
two
main
focus
the
com
the
company
will
tyrants
is
yeah
like
you
can
see.
My
my
last
name
is
walter,
not
just
like
walter,
and
then
you
see
the
I
o
from
input
output,
the
one
and
the
zero
and
and
an
ion
you
know
just
to
make
it
sound
more
fluent.
I
thought
we
make
it.
A
C
C
C
So
when
I
started
my
my
journey,
it
was
oh.
I
need
to
get
like
a
big
screen
and
I
need
to
get
a
webcam
and
everything
else
and
then
you're
opening
up
amazon
and
it
was
like
yeah,
it's
it's
expensive
or
it's
not
even
deliverable.
So
I
try
and
get
left
because
I've
always
wanted
to
go
on
like
meeting
everyone
all
over
the
world
working
with
everyone-
and
I
was
a
past
git
and
gitlab
trainer.
C
Originally
I'm
coming
from
maintaining
an
open
source
monitoring
tool
for
the
past
10
or
11
years,
and
now
I'm
a
developer
evangelist,
which
means
I'm
sure,
I'm
not
coding
so
much
anymore,
but
still
I'm
involved
in
everything.
Cicd
ops,
sre,
observability,
I'm
hosting
a
weekly
coffee
chat
technology,
coffee
chat,
everyone
can
contribute
coffee
where
we
are
doing
similar
things
like
we're
doing.
Today.
C
We
try
to
we
try
software,
we
try
cloud
native
kubernetes
promises
whatever
often
times
it
breaks
live,
which
is
fun
to
fix,
and
sometimes
we
extend
the
the
one
hour
to
maybe
two
hours
in
the
live
stream,
but
yeah.
It's
it's
super
fun
and
I'm
here
to
help
and
engage
with
everyone
and
learn
new
things.
B
C
So
the
slo
means
service
level
objective.
This
is
coming
from
service
level,
agreement
and
availability
and
also
service
level
indicators.
So
this
is
like
in
a
new
way
of
defining
things.
You
want
to
agree
upon
that
your
service
is
running
and
your
customers
are
satisfied
and
often
times
when
you're
doing
like
monitoring
and
observability
and
being
an
sre.
You
need
to
define
those
objectives,
and
this
needs
a
descriptive
language.
C
C
Dynatrace
is
also
involved,
git
lab
in
in
a
part
of
that
android
new
nudigate.
One
of
our
infrastructure
engineers
is
a
core
contributor
to
to
the
specification,
and
I
think
it's
it's
a
great
way
to
find
a
a
common
sense
or
a
common
specification,
because
it's
easier
to
sell
it
internally
to
your
users,
but
also
to
your
customers
and
saying
hey.
C
Your
code
never
reaches
production,
so
the
merchandise,
the
pull
request,
gets
blocked,
and
this
this
is
you
can't
build
it
actually,
but
it's
a
little
bit
complicated
right
now
from
understanding
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
like
have
it
integrated
automatically
and
as
a
developer,
your
code
and
then
it
says,
slo
failed.
Why?
Oh,
I
need
to
fix
the
memory.
Probably
shouldn't
shouldn't
should
optimize
my
code
and
it's
throw.
C
B
C
B
B
A
B
B
A
C
B
B
Our
next
topic
is
a
bit
more
political
but
very
interesting
to
see
aws
take
a
political
stance
because
that's
not
something
they
very
often
do
amazon
put
in
place
a
ban
on
for
the
u.s
police
force
about
a
year
ago
to
to
ban
them
from
using
recognition
with
a
k.
That's
the
the
facial
recognition
software
that
amazon.
B
B
B
B
Should
we
engage
in
this
come
with
this
company
or
not,
there
isn't
anything
wrong
on
the
surface,
but
you
can
also
not
guarantee
that
something
isn't
wrong.
How
do
we
deal
with
that
and
yeah
I'm
quite
an
ethical
person,
so
I
always
found
it
really
difficult
to
decide
whether
or
not
it
was
okay
to
to
engage
with
with
companies
and.
A
I'm
flexible
but
anyway,
speaking
about
what
amazon
did
right.
Corey
quinn
has
a
few
words
on
what
it
should
be
doing
even
better
in
the
new
ceo
onboarding
aws
article
that
he
posted.
I'm
posting
it
in
the
chat
where
he's
pretending
to
on
board
adam
slipski
back
in
aws
and
the
first
one
is
what
the
hell
is
up
with
compensation.
B
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I
don't
necessarily
have
too
much
of
an
opinion
about
it.
I
think
that
no
one
in
the
tech
industry
should
be
complaining
about
the
amount
of
money
they're
making,
but
if
you
compare
it
to
other
tech
companies,
it's
a
bit
off,
but
I
like
the
article
cory
quinn
if
you're
not
following
him,
you
should
on
he
tweets
all
the
time
quite
funny,
but
at
the
same
time
also
quite
serious.
B
Insightful
things
to
say,
and
this
newsletter
last
week
in
aws,
it's
one
of
the
newsletters-
I
recommend
people
to
sign
up
for
especially
if
you're
in
the
public
cloud
space,
it's
the
the
news
that
you
should
be
reading.
Instead
of
the
the
standard
stuff,
that's
coming
out
of
aws
announcements
instead
read
last
week
in
aws,
and
it
gives
you
a
good
overview
of
the
entire
of
the
entire
industry,
and
this
newsletter
is
or
this
this
week's
blog
post
is
no
different.
B
B
D
C
Probably,
since
since
we
are
all
remote
and
I'm
enjoying
everything
I
would,
I
would
ask
him
to
ensure
that
everyone
can
work
from
anywhere
in
the
world
where
they
like
to.
I
know
that
this
can
be
hard
and,
if
you're,
following
in
a
hybrid
approach
or
something
else,
but
I
think
at
a
certain
point
avoiding
commute
and
ensuring
well-being
with
flexible
hours
is
the
way
forward
and
probably
unrelated
to
what
results
or
what
how
efficient
you're
working.
C
A
Good
one
I
I
like
it,
I
am
a
little
bit
worried
every
time
we
talk
about
going
full
remote
that
we're
going
to
get
all
of
us
super
fat
like
the
people
in
the
movie
wall-e,
where
they
were
being
carted
and
and
they
they
didn't,
walk
or
move
in
any
way.
So
we're
like
constantly
on
the
computer
and
just
slurping
our
because
we're
too
lazy
to
even
chew,
but
I
don't
like
the
commute
either
so
edrick.
What
would
you
ask
the
new
aws
ceo
to
do.
D
D
How
are
you
I
mean
if
you,
if
you're
a
ceo,
such
a
big
part
of
one
of
the
largest
companies
on
earth,
you
what
what
is
going
to
be
your
your
social
responsibility
when
it
comes
to
the
tech
education,
especially
when
we
have
seen
the
other
article
about
artificial
intelligence,
because
it
brings
some
ethical
aspects
to
the
to
the
equation
so
yeah?
I
would.
I
would
ask
what
would
be
your
your
vision
to
develop
a
more
responsible
way
in
the
implementation
of
technology
since
we're
seeing
that
there's
more
ai
coming
into
the
space.
A
B
C
B
A
Yes,
yes,
I
do,
and
now
what
I
wanted
to
say
was
that
terraform
is
bringing
some
new
functionalities
in
the
new
version
they're
going
to
have
default
attacks
on
the
terraform
aws
provider,
which
is,
I
just
wanted
to
mention
quickly,
because
it
is
going
to
make
a
lot
of
things
easier
for
a
lot
of
people,
because
tags
play
a
big
role
in
both
cost
and
security
governance
and
the
the
easier
it
is
to
implement
them.
The
better.
B
B
D
C
You
need
to
catch
up
on
many
things
like
reading
lots
of
forums,
reading
ten
thousands
of
slack
channels
or
using
a
different
method
of
like
get
the
metrics
discord
something
around
that
and
then
the
question
is:
if
you
need
to
move
from
irc
to
something
else,
will
the
community
move
on
and
like?
Can
you
can
you
make
it
happen
to
say
hey,
I'm
writing
a
guide
how
to
join
this
chord,
because
you
need
an
invite
for
that,
so
I've
spent
quite
a
while
in
irc.
C
I
I
think
I've
stopped
using
it
because
it
was
a
time
sink
and
I'm
preferring,
like
asynchronous
community
support
same
problem
with
slack
to
be
honest.
But
yet
I'm
not
I'm
not
sure
what
will
happen
now,
especially
with
it's.
It's
not
clear
what
what
happens
in
the
background,
so
it
seems
you
need
to
like
digest
a
lot
of
information,
and
you
cannot
really
say
that
one
side
is
right
and
the
other
others
are
not.
C
D
Yeah,
it's
incredible.
This
is
one
of
the
things
that
was
I'm
quite
you
said
the
inception
of
the
worldwide
web.
Just
it
falls
into
the
category
like
yahoo
and
also
on
yeah
amazon.
Maybe
even
amazon
is
a
bit
younger
than
a
free
note,
so
the
era
of
netscape
and
modems,
where
you
would
call
in
and
hear
this
this
funny
bleep
so
yeah
this.
This
thing
goes
way
back.
B
It
is
what
it
is
over
time.
I
think
the
capital
mistake
was
when
the
entity
got
sold,
to
believe
a
promise
which
I
100
believe
was
an
honest
promise.
But
one
of
the
things
that
not
enough
people
realize
is
that
you
can
make
an
honest-to-god
promise
to
someone
at
a
point
in
time
and
then
the
it
turns
out
the
world
keeps
keeps
turning
and
several
years
later,
it
turns
out
that
the
original
promise
cannot
be
kept.
B
And
then
you
shouldn't
be
surprised
about
it,
because
promises
in
words
mean,
unfortunately,
quite
little
if
they're
not
backed
up
in
in
legal
obligations,
at
least
in
in
the
business
in
the
business
world,
and
I've
learned
this
lesson
over
and
over
over
the
years.
But
it's
a
it's
a
really
important
one,
no
matter
how
friendly
you
are
with
someone.
If,
if
you
make
an
agreement
on
something
you
better
put
it
in
paper.
D
A
And
our
time
is
up.
I
just
want
to
say
that,
statistically,
because
I
have
graduated
in
psychology,
statistically
people
are
more
likely
to
honor
a
handshake
deal,
but
if,
when
you
know
there
are
consequences
because
of
the
paper
you
signed
and
that's
a
different
story,
maybe
yeah
anyway,
our
time
is
open.
We
had
a
really
great
conversation,
so
thank
you
very
much,
michael
and
edric
for
being
with
us.
We
generally
give
our
guests
two
minutes
to
promote
ideas
that
they
hold
dear
or
themselves.
C
Yeah
thanks.
I
I
want
to
encourage
everyone
to
look
into
slos,
continuous
delivery
or
ci
cd
chaos,
engineering
and
when
the
time
is
up
this
year,
look
into
how
you
can
ensure
that
you're
not
sitting
in
front
of
the
computer,
all
the
time
with
our
remote
go
out,
find
a
way
to
move
around
distract
your
mind.
Maybe
stop
building
lego
models
and
yeah.
That's
that's
about
it!
What
I
would
would
like
to
encourage
you
rick.
D
Thank
you
michael.
I
also
want
to
actually
elaborate
a
little
bit
on
what
you
just
said.
Adopt
the
dev
set
up
mindset,
building
things
everything
is
actually
becoming
infrastructures
of
code.
Reassure
you
deploy.
You
can
deploy
quickly,
two
things,
and
maybe
I
didn't
tell
you
guys,
but
today
I'm
calling
from
the
island
of
curacao
in
the
south
caribbean.
So
when
things
open
up,
don't
forget
also
to
get
some
relaxation.
D
Maybe
you
can
come
and
visit
us
over
here
beautiful
beaches,
but
we
are
also
becoming
a
very
tech,
innovative
entrepreneurial
island,
I'm
also
in
a
few
task
forces
that
are
actually
working
on
changing
the
narrative.
Oh,
come
to
our
beaches
and
our
great
food.
We
are
going
to
change
it
and
we
are
coming
and
becoming
actually
a
tech
technological
in
a
innovative
island
where
you
can
come
and
work
remotely,
you're
deploying
a
white
red
carpet
for
digital
nomads
and
and
yeah
I
mean,
I
would
say,
come
come
over
here.