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A
A
That's
a
great
question
and
so
I'm
going
to
answer,
but
then
I
also
want
Jeremy
elders,
probably
on
the
column
with
him
or
Tory,
maybe
on
the
call
to
one
of
them
to
weigh
in
and
yeah
most
companies
of
any
reasonable
size
are
gonna
have
their
own
custom
design
system
that's
suited
to
their
needs.
If
they
don't
use
a
custom
design
system,
then
they're,
probably
using
something
like
bootstrap
or
material
design.
C
Couldn't
I
can
jump
in
I,
don't
know
that
it
would
be
available
or
useful
at
face
value
or
another
company.
However,
from
a
an
example
and
a
contributor
of
feature,
it's
very
helpful
so
with
figma,
we
have
like
a
community
profile
and
because
of
that,
we're
sharing
our
our
assets
and
the
community
can
actually
just
take
those
duplicate
them,
use
them
and
actually
give
us
better
feedback
from
our
design
or
contribute
from
a
design
and
a
lot
easier.
So
I
think
it's
useful
in
that
way.
C
It's
also
useful
for
recruiting-
or
you
know,
other
peripheral
methods
of
helping
designers
understand
what
we're
doing
and
kind
of
our
thinking.
So
I
think
it's.
You
know
it
it's
it's
ultimately
helpful
in
that
regard,
and
it
serves
us
mostly,
but
also
we
can.
You
know,
gain
that
community
feedback
from
it.
I
will
say
in
one
example
from
our
community.
Anything
it
has
been
in
forked
and
like
aux
school,
has
used
some
of
our
resources
to
show
how
to
maybe
structure
items
in
like
a
design
system.
B
B
You'll
probably
need
your
own
design
system
and
where
we
say
hey
if
you're,
a
customer
of
gait,
lab
or
user
of
get
lab
like
please
express
interest
in
this
issue
and
just
see
whether
there's
demand
for
it
I
assume
that
you're
right
and
that
there's
no
demand
but
I
brought
a
check
and
make
sure
I
think
that's
that's
a
relatively
affordable
action.
I
think
a
lot
of
it
is
like
people
don't
know
to
ask
for
a
design
system,
because
it's
kind
of
a
bet.
This
has
a
different
name
in
many
companies.
B
A
That
it
certainly
doesn't
hurt
to
ask
and
design
systems
are
very,
very
common.
I
will
say
that
and
we
we
tend
to
talk
about
them
and
think
about
them
in
very
similar
ways
throughout
the
industry.
So
I
don't
think
it's
a
a
little-known
thing.
Ok,
yeah!
Certainly
we
can
write
a
blog
article.
Certainly
we
can
open
an
issue.
That's
that's
great
ideas.
What.
A
B
A
That's
interesting,
there
is
a
so
envision
does
something
like
that
with
their
design
system
manager,
it's
really
it's
a
good
documentation
site
for
design
system
components
and
my
team
is
but
literally
no
thought
into
that.
So
I
have
nothing
intelligent
to
say
about
the
idea,
but
we'll
take
a
note
of
it.
We'll
go
explore.
Yeah.
A
B
Yeah,
so
my
suggestion
is
issue.
We
have
design
system
manager
as
a
feature
and
instead
of
going
to
designer
get
Lancome
I
go
to
get
lab
comm
slash.
What
is
it
get
lab?
Org
slash,
get
lab,
/
design
manager
where
does
a
somewhere
in
between
there,
but
like
it's
a
feature
in
gala
up
and
other
people
have
other
groups
and
they
every
group.
Every
group
gets
a
design
management
system
as
a
feature
I.
A
D
I
was
just
actually
adding
a
point
to
the
end
here,
I'm
trying
to
write
it,
but
we
also
have
an
issue
open
where
we
were
considering
using
pajamas
as
a
project
type
which
I
posted
here
I
think
someone
else
might
be
taking
notes.
Oh
I've
lost
what
I
was
saying,
but
we
could
look
at
that
as
well
as
connecting
like
envision
only
goes
so
far.
They
have
basically
for
every
component.
D
You
can
just
store
a
blob
of
text,
slash
code
with
the
component,
but
we
could
look
at
a
feature
where
you
could
link
your
pajamas
component
to
like
you're,
actually
in
the
code
base
and
then
we'll
also
link
it
through
to
the
art
files
or
the
original
figma
source.
I
might
create
some
linking
that
way
to
support
design
systems.
I,
don't
think
anyone's
doing
that
yet,
but
we
could
do
more
research
around
it.
C
Yeah,
that's
good
I
think
some,
like
zero
height,
isn't
example
to
doing
that,
and
then
there's
some
other
like
react
tools,
but
I.
Think
overall
I
do
see
us
moving
in
that
direction.
Where,
like
open
sports
design,
is
more
complementary
to
open
source
development
and
I.
Think
moving
to
figma
is
one
of
those
kind
of
nods
in
that
direction,
as
well
as
our
design
management,
so
I
think
where
we're
headed
and
that
kind
of
open
source
to
design
mentality
and
from
a
few
different
angles.
So
good
good
conversation,
oh
yeah,.
B
A
I
mean
my
answer:
is
gonna,
be
by
creating
a
great
user
experience,
the
better
our
user
experiences.
The
more
people
are
gonna
want
to
use
it,
we're
thinking
holistically
about
the
workflow
and
how
our
our
users
and
customers
are
thinking
about
how
they
want
to
use
things
like
that's.
What
creates
a
great
user
experience?
It's
a
partnership
between
product
design
and
management's.
I
know,
product
management
is
thinking
about
smell.
They
should
be
driving
that
thought
process
with
their
entire
team
design
included,
but
yeah
to
me,
creating
great
UX
is
what
it's
what's.
A
E
One
kind
of
actionable
thing
that
Becca's
working
on
is
just
improving
our
empty
states,
so
making
them
actually
actionable
and
not
just
here's
a
feature.
Here's
a
link
to
our
dog,
but
here's
what's
wrong
and
here's
why
you
don't
see
the
future
and
then
here's
a
link
to
actually
set
it
up
so
kind
of
shifting
the
copy
to
be
more
actionable
will
hopefully
drive
people
to
turn
on
the
future,
not
just
like.
Oh
here's,
a
random
feature,
that's
not
on!
So
that's
one
small
thing
now
we're
working
on
cool.
B
F
When
we
do
user
research,
we
have
learned
a
lot
of
things
from
our
users
about
like
how
we
might
cross
pollinate
one
stage
with
another
task
or
workflow
third,
or
also
like
we
learn
about
improvements
that
are
needed
to
make
those
features
more
useful
or
less
friction
to
accomplish
the
goal.
So
we
just
really-
and
we
do
this,
but
we
always
have
to
be
really
mindful
to
take
those
use
their
research
insights
and
make
them
into
something
actionable
and
get
them
into.
You
know
actually
actually
follow
up
on
them
and
do
something
with
them.
Yeah.
B
For
sure
now
you
think
that,
even
though,
like
our
features
are
frequently,
our
categories
are
kind
of
missing
features,
I
think,
most
of
the
time
it's
really
earlier,
like
I,
see
gitlab
users
that
just
started
using
rollbar
because
like
well.
How
does
sentry
work?
Well,
you
need
to
add
a
cluster
or
get
a
subscription
at
sentry
like
what
that
doesn't
make
sense
to
them.
So
they
go.
B
They
go
and
do
something
else
or
not
even
aware
that
okay,
how
do
I
get
my
engineering
manager,
dashboard
well,
there's
cycle
time
and
there's
insight
and
there's
this
and
that
but
they're
kind
of
overwhelmed
and
just
fire
data
studio
and
do
that
instead,
I
think,
especially
at
the
very
beginning,
there's
a
there's,
a
lot
of
chrome
to
gain.
Yes,
that
might
be
violent
analogy,
but
there's
a
lot
but
of
a
lot
of
leverage
there
yeah.
A
So
I
absolutely
agree
in
this
part
of
what
Jackie
was
getting
at
is
something
that
we
don't
do.
A
great
job
of
is
connecting
holistic
workflows
as
a
company.
We
still
really
think
in
terms
of
our
siloed
stage
groups.
We
have
a
hard
time
breaking
out
of
that
and
thinking
about
the
journey
that
a
user
is
doing.
C
A
Trying
to
do
a
better
job
of
that,
it's
not
that
people
don't
realize
that,
but
it's
it
is
a
mental
shift
for
all
of
us.
But
we
see
comments
like
on
Hacker
News,
where
people
say.
Why
does
everything
in
get
lab?
Take
four
clicks
to
like
find
what
it
is
that
I'm
looking
for
and
then
I
have
to
jump
over
to
another
place.
That's
that's
what
you're
talking
about
yep.
B
F
Add
one
more
little
quick
thought,
which
is
that
looking
at
our
navigation
also
could
help
a
lot
like
we
do
hide
something
as
a
navigation,
and
we
also
don't
use
the
navigation
in
a
really
strong
way
to
help
people
either
get
back
to
a
place
where
they
want
to
find
because
they
were
there
before
they
use
it.
A
lot
or
yeah
I
mean
I
mean
I'll
just
stop
there.
We
really
could
improve
our
navigation
and
I
think
it
would
have
an
impact
on
this
increases
of
features.
B
A
A
great
question,
so
I'll
start
by
saying
my
leadership
team
has
really
focused
on
this
right.
Now,
we've
created
a
dashboard
for
UX
debt
that
breaks
it
down
stage
by
stage,
so
we
can
see
where
the
UX
debt
is.
We're
really
encouraging
our
designers
to
remember
to
apply
the
UX
debt
label
to
things
that
are
truly
UX
debt,
so
we
can
track
it
and
make
sure
that
we
burn
it
down,
and
so
the
things
we're
doing
immediately.
They
are
working
directly
with
p.m.
in
each
stage
fruit
to
start
adding
UX
debt
to
the
prioritization
list.
A
What
you
can
do,
Sid
I,
think,
is
to
impress
on
everyone
how
important
maintenance
work
is
I,
think
that
as
an
R&D
team,
we
get
really
focused
on
new
features
and
feeling
like
new
features,
are
the
only
important
thing
that
we
can
do.
The
only
thing
that
counts
towards
our
productivity
and
I
know
from
conversations
with
you
that
you
don't
agree
with
that
productivity
to
you
is
anything
that
makes
our
product
better
and
lots
of
different
types
of
maintenance.
Are
that
cool.
B
Yeah
and
I
think
that
we
are
kind
of
suffering
from
having
too
many
metrics
and
not
knowing
the
forest
for
the
trees
like
we
have
KPIs
Northstars,
the
AAR
are
our
framework.
We
have
the
growth
groups
with
acquisition,
conversion
expansion
retention.
We
have
small,
we
have
non
smelliest
man,
we
have
too
much
so
I
really
want
to
kind
of
make
sure
that's
simplified
and
consolidated,
and
then
the
product
managers
are
going
to
find
very
very
quickly
that
the
way
to
increase
smell
is
not
to
release
more
features.
B
B
G
Optionality:
I'm
wondering
if,
for
example,
like
security
dashboards
right.
So
if
I
have
a
gold
subscription
or
a
public
project,
I
see
that
I
have
a
security
dashboard
showing
up
in
the
sidebar.
If
I
click
in
there
and
it's
empty,
you
know
we
have
links
to
the
documentation
but
kind
of
just
this
point.
It's
like
well.
A
That's
a
great
question
and
let
me
start
by
saying
my
team
has
thought
a
lot
about
dashboards
and
how
to
make
them
more
useful.
It's
certainly
something
that's
on
our
radar,
we're
talking
about
we're,
thinking
that
we're
trying
to
make
progress
on
it,
but
you
gave
a
really
good
specific
example.
So
Valerie
Karns
is
the
product
design
manager
for
secure,
and
let
me
see
if
she
has
any
feedback
on
that
specific
okay,
yeah.
H
Brian,
so
it's
a
really
great
point
and
we
are
starting
to
address
that
so
Torey
mentioned
a
little
bit
earlier,
that
Pekka
is
working
on
empty
states,
and
that
is
one
of
these
cases
that
we
are
looking
into.
So
what
exactly?
Should
the
user
be
seeing
in
a
given
moment
and
what
information
would
be
helpful
for
them
and
we
recognize
that
security.
Dashboard
is
definitely
an
area
that
we
need
to
offer
more
assistance
than
we
are
today
because
you're
right
we
link
over
to
documentation.
H
G
Really
valuable,
too,
is
that
you
know
if
I
have
influence
for
this
example.
If
I
have
implemented
security
standards
into
my
CI
pipeline
after
those
have
run,
maybe
some
better
discoverability
that
says
hey
now
that
these
are
brought
now,
maybe
highlighting
the
screen,
borders
and
tooltip,
or
something
like
that
says.
There's
you
now
have
this.
This
is
now
available
to
you,
because
you
have
been
using
these
other
components
right,
so
I
can
see
you
being
going
both.
I
To
add
to
the
discoverability
part
that
you
mentioned
there,
the
analytics
team
is
working
a
little
bit
on
on
updating
the
side
nav
within
within
projects
and
groups,
to
include
a
collective
list
of
dashboards
and
reports
like
that
that
you
get
throughout
the
different
projects,
so
that
could
potentially
be
one
avenue
to
improve
discoverability
but
I
like
I.
Like
the
point
that
you
bring
out
there.
A
A
Well,
since
no
one
has
anything
before
we
sign
off,
one
thing:
I
did
want
to
highlight
that
no
one
brought
up
is
the
beautifying
our
docks
challenge
from
contribute.
We
wanted
to
say
a
big
thank
you
to
everyone
who
participated.
If
you
look
at
the
slide,
let's
see
13
you'll
get
an
update
on
what
came
out
of
that,
and
so
just
if
you're
interested
you
know,
we,
we
really
appreciate
the
effort
that
everyone
put
in
and
we
have
more
changes
coming.
So
we
had
a
new
docks
landing
page
that
is,
is
in.