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From YouTube: Release Management: UX/BE discuss proposals for Deploy Freezes, Runbooks, and Release assets

Description

Product Design (UX) and Backend discuss limitation and opportunity of current proposals for Release Management. Issues and MR we covered:

* Deploy freezes for environments MVC: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/issues/24295
* Expose assets filepath URL on UI: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/merge_requests/25635
* Add runbook link to assets in Releases - MVC: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/issues/9427

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Today, to discuss deployment, freezes and another margin class, this one so Shawn, you were just telling me about how we want to set and define right. The time sure.

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So so yeah, so in the gitlab, see I am all I think. What's there is probably okay, where we'll have a deploy, freeze, node and then we'll have underneath the start and finish. However, the issue with that, so that will be fine, I guess for the MVC. But the issue with that in you know, in a larger environment, is that you'll have to go into every project. If you have a fruit, you know black hat or freeze period, for example on the weekends.

C

Then you'll have to go into every project and set them and then also make sure that they're aligned within the different projects and in oh there's a comment somewhere in this issue about.

C

Perhaps it would be a good idea to have in a future version for an admin to have some type of you over all the freeze periods that have been set inside all the various projects, possibly with a button to trigger them or override or something and and then there's also comment from the infrastructure team about how they have some type of calendar that you know all those public holidays. And so that could also be an upcoming feature as to you know, one or more calendars.

C

That would then automatically freeze all jobs and again some way to override it, either with the VM or or viro page.

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A lot of floor authority.

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But at this point, because this is the start and finish off for one freeze for one environment, what can an environment? Are? We gonna support multiple freezes periods for environments on this MVC or.

C

You know it would need to be it wouldn't need to be multiple I. Think, ok, so I guess so I guess I can I can update that. But I guess we look basically have an array, a deploy, freeze, node and in heaven array, underneath with with an array of hashes, start and finish.

A

It doesn't put some questions here if an environment has multiple furious I think those will also be reflected in UI, but I'm also like my last question here, is about not this one. If we should display to users only when the deployment freeze is active so when it starts or we free shoot like have a way to proactively tell people hey starting tomorrow at you know, APN this deployment, this environment won't be deploying to production, for example,.

C

Yeah, that's also a good point, because you know when you schedule a pipeline, it might take some time to run and then, when you schedule the phrase might not be in place, but then, by the time it gets to the deploy stage in the freeze could actually be active. We need to have an edge case like that, so I don't know. Maybe we maybe we should have some type of icon. That indicates there's a phrase period.

C

There is one of one or more freeze periods that and in the person could just kind of follow that yeah.

A

Right, yeah yeah, because from my proposal, in fact, if I can open here, see that's why we need the designs on the HT description. I need to look for it here, pop snorky! Well, that's working.

C

Just a bit slice yeah, just.

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Not today, yeah.

C

Absolutely this design pages life, okay,.

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Yeah, so this one, for example, because of first I, was trying to understand from this scope if we're going to do for a job or per environment, with we're doing on an environment level right the freeze, that's what jackie confirm and then let's say that: try to understand how that will translate to users in the UI. So let's say that we are the NSC I filed a pipeline right deployment. Freeze is active.

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That means that the pipeline's, for example, this is the detailed view, office, environment and then here I added an alert like non dismissible, so that we can translate that information from the CI file from the days and the time start and end of the deployment freeze, I added as well the time zone, but I'm, not sure how that will translate to users. So is it it signs on us, whoever activated the freeze or will be Glenn kind of calculate this to the users? You know time time zone, that's.

C

A good point actually I'm: we have to work at how time zone because I think fun doesn't support from time zone. I supported the users time zone by default. Yeah, so mmm I have to think. Maybe we'll don't need to add something.

A

Because I think, if it's, if it's going to be like always my default, the users like whoever set the files times long kill me can't even capture that information.

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C

This real quickly checking something about Tom's I, don't kromm. Okay, so short answer is crimes in the users time zone, so I think what we should do in that case is have start and end time zone.

A

So we should, we can add things onto the animal yep.

C

And then we can in that message we can represent it in the users time zone. So a question about that message. So it will. It will only be active when we're actually already in the phrase period or exactly.

A

I think will be intuitive once you set right and the pipeline runs, and you update the file that we automatically show this, even if the freeze is not active yet, but that it will be. You know at some point in the future to other people that yeah this might happen and not just out of surprise, because, from my own point of view, I think it's best to not use like the global notifications. Remember, like the other tracks, about informing everyone that is deployed with this environment.

A

We refer them for deployments at some period in time, where rather informed people that actively work with environments and if it's important for them to know that because of their workflow, then no matter, that's my assumption.

C

Yeah can I tell you what I think the rolls-royce version is, or actually the the Tesla version for today's I think it would be instead of having this message. We'd have a an active or inactive link to another page, or you know a page. It will pop up behind or a tab or something and.

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Then have a calendar of freezers and if there's no freezing place- and it wouldn't be active or would be otherwise indicated so.

A

You always see something like a call to action, disliked the permanent deployment freezes, and then you see when the next one in.

C

Fact it could also be the entry point. So so you know maybe another button that says: freezers and so you'd click on it and you have a calendar view of freezers.

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C

Place- and maybe you also have maybe you'd- have an option to add them as a as a global freeze.

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C

A fairly big piece of work that I.

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It was the television yeah I guess.

C

In the meantime, maybe this message will suffice: yeah.

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And I wonder if, for more information I mean usually we take users to the documentation, but would it be interesting for people to go to, for example, the CI file from.

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Go to a specific line where you see the you know the configuration or maybe just the dots right to understand. What's going on, that's my I.

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Think I look I, think the docs I mean if you're in fact, because I current entry point is I need to say like so that so I think we can assume that the audience know enough about the CI file to be able to create and find it in the CI file.

C

So I think we can just have a link to the docs that describe where it might come become more complicated in the future, as if we, if we do have have some way to have some type of global freeze added, for example, a calendar that applies to them. You know all projects we'd have to you know, have the two of them.

A

And that's just looking is uy translates like what would happen at that moment. So, for example, the deployment phase is enabled for this environment. Let's say now right we're in between this this freeze period and then all this pipelines all this will be skipped right or not. Let.

C

Me say: yes, okay, so good question. So so actually just one thing just sped this better yeah look I, don't know if it needs to be such a big banner, because I mean it's not red alert, I mean what if we even just now have have, would have an icon look similar to that. You know next to the other icons that exist where it just says, freeze and so the active or inactive. And then you can have a link to the docks.

C

That's a go and looking you know, there's a there's, a freeze, active go and look in your um I'll, see how I'd say we're in it is it's not. What is missing is all this information or, alternatively, you could just go to a simple page. It would have it because I think it's somehow having an hero. As this, it's almost like a red alert. You know yes,.

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C

I, don't know if it really is a red alert. Well, that's just it's just another setting we have in there in the Emma Fox yeah.

A

Because this is the component that we normally use for yeah information in general I agree it's a bit disrupted, but you why wise I cannot change this one, because yeah.

C

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And I believe something more salt or, for example, that is more intuitive would be best but I at this point, where it's a new feature, I think we want people to see it. Okay,.

C

No, let's have a little because.

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Remember that the detached pipeline, where no one knows what it is just have a label I, also didn't really.

C

B

Have been still sorry, yeah.

C

Don't even explain to me let.

A

Me just add to the discussion here because.

C

Because you know at the moment we might have a park on a that. Has a manual deploy right. What's.

A

That sorry, at.

C

The moment we might have a configuration where that, where the production involvement has to be manually can deployed mm-hmm- and we don't say, Red Alert on that right- we just the users know they need to deploy it, you familiar with it but yeah. Given us a new feature and it's it's almost like a braking feature.

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C

I think because, in fact, when you think it through they're, not it's not going to appear in list unless the you know the administrators have already put in the configuration, so they should know about it. Yeah.

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But I wonder for like people that are usually consuming this yeah.

C

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For example, let's say that there is a free Siri on mute, Lancome, right, comm project and.

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The Turner.

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I'm working on my merge request and I'm fasting I'm, just not it's not but I'm, proposing a change to the documentation, design, documentation whatever and I cannot see that they're.

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Lying because I.

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Think in general, we're gonna have these personas that are not.

C

Gold yeah I thought.

A

Yeah, it kind of takes me to this question to do yes, given that the part one will retry automatically we're gonna skip it right, yeah.

C

So so I think that um a guy misses the NBC I think the skip, because it will be the simplest to implement. However, what we might consider doing you know you know in a future. Iteration needs to have an option saying try at the end of the freeze period, but I think that should be specific.

A

If we have an option in.

C

The in the mo say you.

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The end of phrase period try or something but I- think it should not be the default.

C

So that would that all course then us require you know, require in the backend some type of monitoring of all this stuff so makes it a little bit.

A

So, for example, let's let me go back to.

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So let's say that's lemon fries is loaded, it's active and let's say that it's enable whatever and that in my margin, quest for example, because I think that's where people are gonna see the most when their pipelines, Jesus Christ, I'm super impatient, know.

C

It's long, yep, hey.

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C

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For example, that's the boy is kid because yeah, it's active, it's enabled for a new specific environments. So.

C

He's a he's, an oddball, whatever it's called so the pipeline gets kicked off it. Doesn't it doesn't get deployed because deployment freeze is enabled buses? What happens then? Do we come back and- and we put the mouse on here should I say deployment freeze was may be able to something mm-hmm.

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Exactly and I say like you can retry because employment phrase is disabled or.

B

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That's where it's going to be disruptive to people, because yeah they've even had to go to the list of what pipelines and say run so.

C

I'm wondering if we should also consider having you know it was skipped because of freeze status.

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C

Once the windows passed, it'll be a bit hard to work, I mean it might be hard, but it will involve some.

C

It might be difficult to work out why it was skipped.

A

So like this range, so because now you really cannot take any action. As a user I mean you can manually try, but it will skip anyways right because employment resist. You acted well.

C

That's also a good point: do we, if it's main or should we should we have an option to force it? You know.

C

Tied to a role, maybe what's.

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Hard to a specific role, maybe.

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C

Maybe the maybe the developer can't do it, but the the maintainer can.

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C

Well, execute the deploy. You can run the report because of it, because they pop on can run actually right. We're not stopping the pipeline, but just.

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What I thinking in general, if we're gonna, show like a helper message here that it's enable now we are not automatically running well.

C

I'm, sorry, we let me just I'm overthinking this actually, because if okay, so if it's frozen and it's the end of the freeze period and you want to- rather you just have to run the pipeline again and that's their solves their problem, and so the only the only thing that we're not considering is what happens if you want to force to be deployed during the phrase period, so the in VA would be well, you go and change the ammo I, don't know if it's a good solution. Yeah.

A

So you can't you can modify the mo yeah what Danny's going on and.

C

I'm ready to pour the pipeline yeah.

A

So you can that's a really like a lot of back.

C

Yeah yeah, now it's not it! So it's a rough age approach, yeah I, think I think we should have it and wider to actually deploy it. Yeah just like.

A

That we have word merge strains right. You can bypass again for.

C

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Like more strange force, the force P action.

C

Something because you know it something's broken in production. They don't want these stuff getting in the way.

A

Exactly because so many steps like you have to go back, update the CI file around the pipeline. Wait for its to it is.

C

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A lot of states.

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All right look very good points.

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What else you can see here, yeah I added this I mean you, don't he just say, use the boy skipped but I added this new attack, yeah.

C

I think that it's good but I'd, say I think to make that work. I think we'll have to have a different status yep.

C

You know, freeze skipped or something yeah, that's an internal thing, but it'll just head to the back in you know, and then we could expose it through the API for how Friday and people want to use it.

C

Yeah I had a point about the previous page.

C

Sorry, let's go: let's go with your method! Sorry about that. We'll try to thought.

A

I'm sorry I was reaching just.

C

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Image dings yep.

C

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Oh no go back with the arrow I had to actually with my keyboards no.

C

Okay, so if it can't be deployed, should we have like a you know, or do we currently have any time to say because I think we just have the same icon and it just doesn't work if it can't be deployed right, but.

A

That's the thing I think he actually seen the latest appointment. So if you, if this was updated eight hours ago yep- and this was before the freeze period here- you- what you see is that at 108 hours ago you're not like. Let me go back. Let me go to one of these pages so.

C

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So he or see so.

C

What do we have that tilt tooltip there? Then you can't press it again. Yeah.

A

Because, on this page, actually, alright, okay, how do I? How can we inform users that deployment freezes and it goes for this environment because it can be that you're still have you? Can we can be sorry? It can be busy use case where deployment freeze is enabled, but you still have.

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An environment that you can access right because.

C

You could have a use case where you want to redeploy the old environment.

C

Like something went wrong yeah, but you don't you want to push the new. You know. I mean you won't just want to redeploy the old one. Well, sorry, I guess you yeah. What happens in that should be. I should not be covered by the phrase right. No.

A

I would still used you.

C

I'm, just thinking you know broken productions. Yeah does.

A

Not say that this one we here right with it to do. Let's say this is production and deployment phase is enabled, but we can still access all the appointments right if I go here, for example, I mean nowadays raishin yep.

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And I go to the detail of this yeah.

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You only see ya.

C

Know you can only you can only deploy the current one room copy.

A

So you always see that it by my for this this one here, yeah.

C

I guess so: yeah.

A

Because this is also be conflicting if we want to tell people fuel to inform users that yeah deployment freeze would be enabled or easy. You know that is added to these environments, but it's not let's say so.

C

What happens if we want to during the appointment so I think maybe we need to have a way to switch it off, because what happens if we want to roll back and a guy no I'm just I'm, just considering this from a broken production issue, grossing production perspective, so we made it, we made it. We made it deployment just before the freeze period and.

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C

Go into the freeze period and we notice productions broken. What are we doing here? Yeah.

C

Yeah and and what should we have a an icon like you know, I feel like it's something that shows that it's, for example, yeah.

A

That's what I want to hear and also ok, I, think the easiest way to just show patooty deployment freeze.

B

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But that's the thing because it's enabled you don't have an actual deployments for for this this in here. This will always be the previous one. Exactly.

C

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C

Said that so that's so that's I think that tools, if it doesn't work, go there yet I think we need it, but I think it needs to go somewhere else. Yeah.

A

And we can say like here on the the row saying that the appointment phase is enable for future deployments. Whatever.

B

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So it doesn't match because it nothing will be deployed right, yeah.

C

Cuz that environment already he's already deployed yeah. In fact, that's just a link to the already deployed environment.

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Deployed environment so perhaps show the screens.

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Information in line right, yeah.

C

Well so, and so the phrase, the phrase icon could also appear on the pipeline and that could be a way to override it. Alright, so we heard the phrase icon and then you have a click on it and you have a drop-down that says override this phrase.

A

Because if I'm here let me go back review so let's say that there whoops this.

C

Time but that's a good point. So are we considering only production environments or all environments.

A

I mean you can skip review. If you want right, I mean it's the boy fries, but what's that.

C

Good, no, but your mom, you might want to have developers who want to work still on something and then therefore they need the review environment, but both productions closed.

C

So then you know that doesn't stop the testers or reviewers from looking at the review environment, but I just can't deploy into a Monday or something yeah.

A

And if so, the way that we are going to illustrate this, it's also different yeah, because if it's only like the proposal say deployments freeze. So if so, you should be only working for these four guys here, right, yep.

A

Ok because it's empty but I know to get lag gone because it has better examples.

C

I'm not really, how do we identify, which ones the production environment do we do that somehow in the MMO believe club.

A

Exactly these are a few environments and you speak so we.

C

Say that somewhere thingamabob this is an illusory environment, I'm.

B

C

Trying to not to which, where it's configured.

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You can work, for this is a very.

C

Secretive yeah.

A

So yeah should be something I, think more visual here, new UI, because you're still seated the the latest nice. So this.

B

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Should be like I'm, not saying that you should change it tooltip, but to be like see. Latest live environment course see less. We actually have a merge request for this and that's an issue to be showing people that you're seeing the last life environments right, yeah,.

C

But you might be allowed to I guess we should decide if you, if we have this freeze, does the phrase only apply to production or what does it allow you to, for example, or deploy with you or staging that she can make an argument for right because.

B

C

It's just or maybe the embassies or all the environments, but you know because we've used further back in their pipeline and then you might have people reviewing the work.

C

In fact you can you know you can easily see such a scenario. Actually it's like. Okay, we've got this deployment freeze coming up and guys. We need to get all this new stuff in before then and then some stuff gets missed and then so people work on it so that it can be deployed immediately as soon as the phrases lifted. So then they would need access to review environment for their I.

A

Mean not understanding the technicalities I think it makes sense to not oops. Where is it to allow it yeah.

C

I mean it can be a few, it could be a future version, but I guess.

B

C

Guess the question we have to ask yourself easy, say all environments, free or production environment, only phrase and I would say the base case would be production in phrase I. Don't.

A

Think we mention anything about production, specifically right, yeah.

C

We just say: environment, yep,.

A

Yes, the environment, so I think. In the example we see yeah. Oh.

C

Yeah, so what's the purpose was for regularly scheduled for months in takes hold deployments in off hours, but again, yeah I. Think we're really talking that the purpose of this is we don't wanna push something into production when there's no support available for it. You know it's a weekend or something the Deb doesn't necessarily mean people couldn't be working on development activities. Yeah.

B

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Suppose this question to to Jackie as well yeah.

C

It's a niche case, but I think we should clarify whether its production environments.

A

Or environments I have a feeling that it should be for all departments, because what, if I, don't have production and I just want to freeze whatever something for I mean I cannot even think I'm. We used to easily yeah.

C

No, no, but I think so. I think the use case is is that we don't want to have some support staff on call 24 hours, but support staff gin. Not always, but generally you know, their main job is looking after production right and they might look after other environments as well, but.

B

A

Okay, so this one will go away, it is tilted because the primary's is enable, but you just you, can see late.

C

The other thing is containing their exploitable yeah.

A

Okay, I played God. This.

A

Since the this point, losers to the latest live environment,.

B

Not exactly today.

A

Oh yeah and then small details when you go back I think you had this another one.

A

It's like Michael to Brazil I have to work.

A

Actually, I'm worried that your anyway a tortoise actually have another question. I, don't know. Why was this.

A

We already talked to you about this a little bit and what attributes can be specified in the yellow file, but.

B

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Specifics for months for the date that people have to yeah.

C

We'll follow the corn format, which is a well-understood format.

A

Okay and in the on the UI, it translates to the ISIL exactly.

C

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See anything else, you can have more questions and support, but it is good because uh yeah we can already tackle the the small UI improvements and think about how else this thing is going to affect the user experience. Because to me that's that's the I'm gonna stop the chair was pretty to me. This is the most you know funny part right now is that I'm, a I just want to make sure that we don't miss informing people that this thing is happening and.

C

I think we don't want to have a situation where we would not understand why I stopped deploying exactly.

A

C

The counter-argument is it'll only not deploy if they put the entry in their con file. Alright, so.

B

C

I guess someone maybe on a larger team, someone could put the entry and other people don't know about it. Maybe yeah.

A

All right, I'm gonna, make some updates based on the things that we already clarified, and the other ones are just gonna, pose the questions here and being Jackie, because the things for example for the calendar and then those already future improvements.

C

Yeah absolutely but.

A

It's good that we already kind of under earlier there.

C

Was also a comment about slack integration, so I have a question actually because there was a note to you about carving their stuff into new issues, and so should should we do that now or just leave it for the time being. What.

A

Is it one that I.

C

Here we go here is like a team.

C

So there's kind of this. There was three points that so the three points were, and this came from.

C

Johnny Chavez his comment, but it's my quote butts are quote of his of his issue, though he's note and.

C

So there's actually three points there. So there was a note underneath saying we can cover into a new issue, so should we do? There was actually kind of maybe even three issues.

A

We decided to fill this job so.

C

One was slack integration it in a second once part of the calendar thing yeah.

A

I think issue my opinion. We should break this onto a separate issue. Yeah.

B

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It shouldn't block us from implementing anything to see I file, but.

C

I mean: do we do that now or do we come back and assess that later? Maybe that's.

A

Me question: ah what did Jackie say: I actually just say, confuse update the description or carve out and general issue yeah? Okay. So what I'll just.

C

Create a new issue with all those pointed out, I.

A

Think it's best because then it's different requirements for how we want to exactly yep yep.

C

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Then we can add this as related to this one, otherwise name you see we'll get to, but I like the a I would like to understand better like the idea of the like the calendar or how we would. You know display that to users to understand this a little bit so when we get there. Yeah have this conversation, because, especially if we're gonna do this from communities in a group level.

B

A

Not a scope right now, right but I think there's a comment in the in the future. It needs to be financed. It's instance for group level as well, so.

C

I think we should be cautious because you know we think about our main. Encore project is get low, calm right, it's one! It's one project, yeah,.

B

C

Know you can imagine in a large company, they might have hundreds of projects you.

B

C

You know they'll have all these different different blackout, windows them.

B

C

I've been nobody partner or you know the whole, no one, there's no support and Christmas died or something you know, there's all different. You.

A

Know I think you probably want to investigate this. Some problem, validation, yep, but.

C

It all builds I mean if we do the do the end they say, then it there's nothing that much to change, so we go or calendar or something it's all. Just progressive yeah.

A

This will have something cool what's up info on this one. So are we going to jump to the next item? Yep you're, gonna, shower tweeting, because I think this one is a it's simple. It's the merger class right this one here.

C

So I forgot what it was now. Oh.

C

Yes, oh yes, this is simple. Actually, so, okay, let me share my screen.

C

Okay, so what we're doing here is we're providing an alternate way to to display a link. So if I go back, I'll go back to the issue. So it's it's. This issue here enable a direct link to a release and a release assets, and so we might have this link sitting over in Amazon and and what we want to do is instead of displaying it with the Amazon URL.

C

We're gonna have give it our own, not only name but actually a you know like a path and that thing that it just gets added to the project and and the tag. So so the user comes along and presses.

C

This is the project, there's the tag, and then this and in the second part, is whatever they've added into this file path and then, when they click on it actually goes to the real resource so and in a purpose. This is later on. Well, first we'd have to display this ugly URL, but purpose is also later on.

C

You move it to somewhere else and nothing breaks right, because I still there's just a redirect, and so the issue is there came up during the development of this is what, if they put it up there and and then later someone goes and deletes this.

B

C

We're now pointing to a broken work with now displaying a broken link and and what we could do and answer this. That was my question to me: am I in the in the EMR. We were actually displaying the link we could over time. The page is rendered check whether Sylla valid ling mm-hmm, you know, and if it's not a valid link, I would I would say I'm.

B

C

Still render the URL, but then say, underneath this is no longer a little something just.

A

Like an arrow state message like an empty.

B

A

A for thinking this doesn't exist. Yep.

C

Or yeah even exactly.

A

This is entirely front end right well,.

C

In fact, so this this MRI I said I said this is actually as part of its actually front end, but it looked very simple, so I said to Nathan like I I'll. Just do it I, don't mind so I guess now that it's getting a bit more complicated, maybe I'll need to flip it back. But let's, let's say in.

A

Something yeah because I think from a design point of view link this here on this one. Yet if that's the case, if we're pointing users to a URL that you know it's invalid right that exists, but there's nothing there to display, because there is a problem. Yeah.

C

It's a it's, it wasn't when I was created, but it's now broken in the broken leg. Yeah.

A

Then first thing I can think of is through the empty state and yeah. It's very huge, but well.

C

But the thing is it: it's a link, luck and then potentially stories.

B

C

Should we have next to it up in our Conor or collectively.

A

To like, let me see if I can picture this correctly, so this is the release date right I'm on the release, page you're.

C

A

There to an asset that link exists, but the the asset that lives inside of it can it be like one or multiple assets.

B

C

The physician location.

C

I'm getting an account suddenly hungry, no.

A

A

And then, let's say that hearing the releases overview droids can hear yeah.

C

I just unplugged my lack of I'm.

A

Sorry, it's wrong, my computer. This is I.

C

A

Maybe now hello.

C

Now doesn't matter you.

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C

Hello, yes, hello, okay, great.

A

So let me share my screen quickly, just see if I'm getting this right.

B

A

Where am I right page, yes,.

A

Let's say that this is my release right and here let me my change is: let's say that it's not source code, but that this is like I, said yep.

B

A

C

A phone exactly so so that so that now is broken, and so we we can test that when we load the page. Okay.

A

And then we can stay here like this, isn't button Jesus.

A

You say here like broken.

A

Well, we can say.

C

Something like this yeah yep and we could even have that as a link to a page and the handbook describes. What's happened.

A

Something like yeah.

C

Because, in fact, so when we were doing the develop, when also in the development I was discussing with the maintainer about his opinion was well, why don't we just verify when we uploaded, which we could do? The thing is that there's two issues with that one is: it might take a very long time to upload it.

C

If it's, you know, gigabytes whatever, so, in which case it will be broken at creation time, but the other I think the more likely scenario is that they upload it and then something changes, and you know it's now gone, but.

A

If I click here and then I go to this broken URL, what do I see? Oh.

C

You just get a 404 you're.

A

Gonna fall for the.

C

Abyss things do nothing right and it's gonna fall, but.

A

This is not any internet for a for right because he has a fact, but this is a get lat. 404 page no.

C

No, would it be for a full on on the wherever we go.

A

C

It's a good question: yeah now, good lay up. What will happen is get level redirect to some non-existent location.

A

C

A

Okay, cool I can play around with this like quickly and because from your mr and that's what I'm like what is it? You want this change here. Oh my god,.

A

C

Don't know what's got a letter, the stuff or not? Oh yeah. Sorry, this guy put all the back end stuff in it as well.

A

C

Front end part is no, it does it's. Just um it's very simple figure. um It's just it's just changing the URL field. It's a single field, change, I, think I, said I. Think it's one of the topics, one yeah there. It is alright. So we went from URL to far path which actually I need to change, because that's.

A

C

A

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C

Doesn't include that.

A

Okay, yeah I can just quickly way around. It is because hmm if you can inform users and if the application can validate ahead of time, we should but I'm wondering if this would require the component, because this is about a component to kind of have a loading say. You know like a pre loading wall invalidate or because what happens when you land on this page is that if there too much data, these cards are gonna, have a reloading state. Yep.

C

A

Some components they have it right right when you land on the merger class or issues whatever so I'm wondering if these I ten, we need to be like validating to see. If this well.

C

You could even take the positive use case, so you could, you could just load the page load, all URLs and get it loaded as quickly as possible and then go through those and it loop through them. In the background you know in the browser you can go and check if they're broken if they are broken in show it. Otherwise, don't you think yeah.

A

So, in any case, you'll have to transition, probably all right, I'm, also or.

C

Say I tied I asked him, can I just work. I know cuz I've done, though very.

A

C

Looks as but now probably I'll have to ask him to get involved because people complicated when.

A

In general, I think this is very same request.

A

C

Split it out, there's three other page requests in for the back end, and this is a finite one.

A

Then I'll add the designs here: I'm already, how quickly add the design for this year so that just we know because also as I'm working with this amazing page, this is my this. Is my life I get that now the other.

C

Release release page.

A

I'm factoring those UI elements, because you know by the time we do a redesign, I kind of need to know what all those small elements are. So if this is somehow going to be part of exactly this, is you know this wing yep exactly.

C

This, but that's where it is. Yes, that's exactly it yep then.

A

I want to say: okay, then here is a different I.

C

Have a question that saying is: you are the Guru of this page at the moment we have our notice inside the code. We have a place for an edit page, but we don't have this. There is no e at a page for releases right and.

A

C

You can't edit the form anywhere. Yes, that's, oh really, yeah.

A

Again, that's what make that has been doing in there. Oh.

C

But that's all I, it's all done with a view component right. It's all front-end yeah.

B

C

We've got I think we've got support, I'll double-check, but I think we've got support for a rails page which we don't have, and so we should just remove it. No.

A

No I know that we have what just now and what we want to do is to have like one page for both at its release and attacks. And now, if you go ahead, if you go and create a release and when you try to add it, it's not the same form. It's very weird yeah.

C

But the releases edit, you can do from all of this kind of list view right. You can just click on that edit icon.

C

On the page like to the right of Ares yeah, so if you click on that item into this relays and that's happening- that's happening in line, there's no pay, ah there was a page load. I didn't realize that okay, all right.

A

That's fun and we are extending this page to just support milestones. The.

C

A

C

Nice I love it because it looks like a lot. I didn't realize.

A

C

A

Now we have a page and then after we add this for the existing ones, then I'm gonna be working on creating a release through the UI. Because that's my next step, because now we only support edits but for create. You need to go to the API. You can create a tag using the UI, but you cannot, for example, and a milestone leads. You can only edit that so that's yeah.

C

So so this this, what you've got a hearing scheduled a picker yeah.

B

C

It's so it's in the design view, so we wouldn't have these arrows pointing to each other. Oh no.

A

No, this is just for the phone is good ship. No, we will I like orange lines. No.

C

No I think they're good well.

A

A

But then I can say where's.

C

The epic I just I'll, probably go to somewhere, but if you haven't have it handy.

A

I have a link to this. You can ever get to see the workflow it's actually here can.

C

You stick with it baby number 2, 3, 1 2. It's ok.

A

You can see it's in the working progress, father, yeah.

C

I've been in here before, but I just get lost with it look 17. We.

A

Keep inflating here, you can click and everything.

A

It's not like. The transitions are not fine are correct, but.

C

Wasn't there something else group planning to discuss I, think.

A

Those are the two issues, many issues.

C

It was alright: okay,.

B

C

No books were not discussing.

A

I'm gonna add my notes, know.

C

That I'm, the jupiter notebooks.

A

C

Not discussing it here.

C

B

C

Run box and I'm.

B

C

A

Yeah suffered this one there's a section in the issue: description, oh yeah, oh.

A

Yes, okay, we need this. Okay,.

C

First, one yep.

A

Careless I know that he has a bunch of merge, request, still open about the edits release in the page, so I'm not sure how he wants to go, see who that, but from from our scope, point of view I'm, not sure if this issue fully reflects what we're going to be doing in the back end like the front end, I have a proposal but I think what I want. Also from use to see. If the proposal section this one say.

C

It's actually a little bit, I would say out of date, but what the the one of the issues I'm working on at the moment he's adding that rage rate, which adds Ed's fields to the estrade.

A

So can we say that this Marja quest that you're working on right now.

C

A

Two days right.

C

It's issue two: seven: three: zero zero.

A

A

Cuz I think the scope it's naughty and we see like just a description is not up to date, because I didn't want to change. It sure, for example, connecting a really easy floating upcoming release to an instance of a run book. How we're doing this.

A

Let me share my screen: cuz I, don't think any of this is part of the NBC anymore, but these section here.

C

Well, I thought we were going to connect it specially made by one book. Cuz I thought we were going to connect an arbitrary follower. Locker could be an Excel spreadsheet, no.

A

Not at this point you just URL, we really sorry.

C

But the sorry the URL could be, for example, in is three and then we we linked to that it to that URL, quick, I, think.

A

That makes sense right so.

C

That's what the aim they say was made me work and we weren't doing joke about books. Yeah.

A

Cuz I think what its UNESCO is, that it can be anything that is.

A

And I said: there's a good life or not sir. No exactly.

C

Yeah, so that would cover that scenario. Okay,.

A

But I think we need to change kind of just a naming of things here because, for example, lick release pages to the rum book which displays from books that are running complete. We're not gonna. Do this. This NBC.

B

A

Really just displaying really.

C

Awful we're doing that mm-hmm. Okay first needs to make yeah.

A

You're just gonna link to the rum book and that room book can be outside of each lab and then it's going to display whatever. But at this point we are really just connecting I'm sure that you want well.

C

I thought we were gonna have that we can connect to any anything right any file somewhere. So whether it's the Jupiter notebook or not doesn't matter. I have two fields. One I said how many steps and in what percentage is complete. Mm-Hmm.

A

Now this future there's another issue that should be linked here.

A

B

A

Issue I'll find it for you, okay, but.

B

A

Another one: that's actually I, think you have it before you well.

C

Real quick I have a couple of comments on the design yep, so so this is. This is an edge case, but if we're linking to some external resource do we have to worry about whether it's available or not, like particularly authentication, yeah.

A

We do validate the field so the front end. There's an acceptance criteria here that you see you validate yeah foreign pollination is provided so for dispute here. If that you were always invalid, but.

C

Look, how do we handle look? Do we need to worry about the case where that we might race horse rod could be only available to certain people, yeah.

A

That's also the case, a good point.

B

A

So how do we validate if the link resource it's only to served in yeah,.

C

I mean the easiest thing would be, valide weather is publicly available and then.

C

So that was my question: should we insist if it's a public link, if for projects public or or should we maybe just have some link to the documentation saying you know you are the users are responsible for the authentication for this.

B

C

That was kind of an HK issue where there's another one. That's a bit more pressing, read further along.

C

That's just because it's the source, that's just a point that the sauce what's in a source code is not actually stored as it's generated. The other ones are actually links, but then the next package is the one that was more worried about next one, sorry next, next, next, ok, so so we have no I, don't know why it's mandatory, but we have a on the API. When you create a link, you must give it a name and then I don't know if we will do anything with those names.

A

And this is why those prototypes are different.

A

Yeah, here is the name: oh yeah,.

C

Ok yeah, so there's linked so there's currently yeah, so it's called name in the API and so now should week. Should we give it the same, you know: should we either change the API or something to match title yeah.

A

We can we can do that I'm being validating with Jackie together with Jackie this, and we didn't get any specific feedback on what our people refer to, namely name or title, but we can definitely just use nickname.

C

A

You were happening, yeah.

C

Because at the moment at the moment you can create it, but we don't do anything with it or we don't display it right.

A

So you fight these.

C

That collects mandatory so.

A

I need to update the acceptance criteria to reflect.

B

A

Field is mandatory for links, update the label label as well to manage the API name. Okay, I can do that because this is actually this is here. So this will be the.

B

A

C

B

A

A

C

It's such a wild for that one.

A

C

A

But then it's, how do you know well.

C

We can check I mean we can try and hit it. Then.

A

We checked all enough, it's possible, that's what I asked. Nathan is y'all to check in the front end, because we don't want people to first submit the form and then hey. These are hours and ballads.

B

A

The form so so long.

C

Yep so there's also an age case in that is his son. Thomas every source might take a long time to respond right and they might eventually respond years that will have to a time we'll have to just pick a time and.

A

We're getting to those educators in this.

A

C

Right cool: well, there's a long half hour meetings.