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From YouTube: Remote Working, Pros & Cons | TFIR Panel
Description
In this panel, experts from ARM, ISG and GitLab sat down with Swapnil Bhartiya to talk about the pros and cons or remote working.
Host: Swapnil Bhartiya, founder & EiC - TFiR
Guest:
Priyanka Sharma - Director of Alliances - GitLab, Inc
Eduardo Silva Pereira - Principal Engineer - Arm
Blair Hanley Frank -Principal Analyst at ISG Research
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A
Hi,
this
is
a
party
and
we
are
here
at
cue
content,
louder
deep
car
in
Chiang
hi
China
today.
Here
we
have
a
great
panel,
and
today
we
are
going
to
discuss
about
remote
working.
This
is
a
topic
close
to
my
heart.
Guy
I
work
remotely
and
I
see
the
benefits
as
well
as
it's
not
everything
is
rosy
and
good,
but
before
we
kind
of
actually
deep
dive,
let's
do
the
round
of
introduction,
franca
sure.
B
C
D
A
B
Think
the
wave
of
all
remote
or
partially
remote
is
starting
to
take
off
now.
This
is
the
moment
when
it's
gonna
get
bigger
and
bigger.
Initially,
when
companies
were
when
companies
were
starting
out,
it
was
like,
oh
you're,
all
remote
company
VCS
don't
want
to
find
you.
There
is
no
acquisitions.
All
of
that
so
there's
those
initial
hurdles,
but
there's
actually
now
really
good
examples
of
companies
who
are
making
remote
not
just
work
but
thriving
on
it.
So
examples,
of
course,
scape
lab.
We
have
all
remote
across
45
countries
and
400
employees.
B
Also
it
look
at
envision
the
design
tool.
They
are
all
remote
automatic.
The
creators
of
WordPress,
so
more
and
more
companies
are
becoming
like
that.
My
personal
opinion
is
that
if
a
company
is
going
on
the
path
to
IPO,
then
it
doesn't
matter
your
location
when
it's
smaller,
because
it's
the
fundamentals
that
count
and
so
I
think
it's
more
about
the
employee
welfare
as
well
as
it's
a
good
for
business
as
well,
so
it
works
out
really
well
and
I.
Think
it's
going
to
get
more
and
more
popular.
There's.
C
Okay,
we
need
the
right
people,
but
the
right
people
is
not
here
or
the
good
people
is
always
hired
right,
so
they
start
exploring
new
ways
to
get
a
new
people
with
the
right
skills,
but
maybe
it's
not
just
in
the
same
Sun
them
that
they
are,
but
looking
for
different
countries
or
different
areas,
not
just
because
to
save
money
or
look
for
different
countries.
Sometimes
big
corporations
do
that's
with
specific
teams
because
of
right.
They
find
the
right
person
and
sometimes
the
time
zones
doesn't
matter
too
much.
D
Speaking
to
your
point,
Priyanka
about
going
public
is
G
is
a
public
company
with
1300
employees
around
the
world
and
were
primarily
distributed
organization.
We
have
a
handful
of
offices
globally,
but
most
of
our
workforce
is
remote
and
Wall.
Street
seems
to
be
just
fine
with
that,
and
so
you
know
from
from
my
perspective,
looking
at
looking
at
sort
of
where
the
market
is
and
where
the
technology
product
space
is.
D
All
of
these
tools
that
are
that
we're
seeing
broad
interest
in
across
the
enterprise
are
also
tools
that
then
go
out
and
enable
companies
to
better
support
remote
work
within
their
own
workforce,
and
so,
as
those
tools
continue
to
grow
in
adoption
and
again,
given
some
of
the
trends
that
you
highlighted,
Eduardo
like
I
would
expect
to
see
even
more
use
of
remote
workers.
I.
B
Just
wanted
to
highlight
that
I
think
all
remote
is
good
for
many
from
many
angles
and
that's
why
organizations
are
like
picking
it
up,
because
it's
good
for
business.
It's
also
good
for
employees
and
it's
also
good
for
community,
and
so
that
aspect
is
missed
often
times
when
people
think
about
remote,
and
we
at
gate
lab,
have
seen
a
lot
of
positives
and
all
fronts.
I
can't
speak
deflated
I
mean.
A
I
I
cover
and
I
specialize
in
open
source
and
then
I
look
at
open
source
community.
It's
spread
across
Europe
is
spear.
You
know
South
America,
North,
America,
Asia
India,
wherever
we
look
and
no
conflict
and
afford
to
bring
all
those
people
under
the
same
roof,
so
I
think
remote
working
enables
you
to
get
the
best
brains
in
the
world
without
making
any
compromises.
So
the
best
guy,
like
I,
was
talking
to
Vivian
Coker
from
Oracle
one
out
there
core
person
who
works
on
Linux.
A
He
lives
in
Africa,
and
he
said
he
knows
he
just
finds.
You
know
a
cyber
cafe
and
it
pushes
in
those
two
patches,
and
it's
done
you
know
he
would
not
move
to
us
because
he
loves
that
life
is
still
buried,
but
he's
this
one
of
the
smartest
guy
out
there,
so
no
remote
working
enables
you
know
that.
Do
you
have
any
such
experience
very
like
you
know,
this
is
incredible.
B
Doesn't
have
a
zip
code
and
we
had
get
lab
benefit
from
that
all
the
time.
So
I'll
give
an
example
of
one
of
our
very
popular
products,
the
gait
lab
CI
right.
So
at
first
we
were
just
watched
version
control
and
then
CI
was
one
of
the
next
things
that
we
did
and
Demetri
who
is
one
of
the
cofounders
is
based
in
Ukraine
and
he
was
working
on
it
and
then
a
contributor
from
Toland
contribute
contributed.
B
Runners
that
were
very,
very
good
and
instantly
were
incorporated
into
the
the
CI
product,
and
this
person
was
Camille
who
at
first
just
contributed
something
from
wherever
he
was
sitting.
And
then
we
just
saw
how
amazing
the
work
was
and
convinced
him
to
join
us.
And
if
we
were,
let's
say,
I'm
just
gonna
pick
a
city
randomly
like
a
london-based
company
and
only
hired
in
London.
We
would've
missed
out
on
Camille
and
he
is
such
an
asset
to
our
company.
So
that's
just
one
example
and
there's
people
all
over
the
world.
Yeah.
A
C
This
was
something
very
special
because
we
are
talking
about
the
remote
work
in
open
source
right
yeah,
because,
for
example,
we
are
always
hired.
For
example,
we
are
higher
now
and
we
will
trying
to
hide
the
people
that
maybe
we
don't
know
but
contribute
back
to
the
play,
because
we
know
from
beforehand
that
they
can
work
remotely.
It's
not
about
I
can
find
really
smart
people
everywhere,
but
sometimes
people
don't
like
to
work
remotely
or
maybe
they
don't
have
the
right
discipline.
C
You
know
to
get
the
things
done
on
time
and
it's
something
that
you
need
to
develop.
You
know
every
day,
so
I
think,
of
course,
we're
remotely
it's
really
fun,
but
also
really
hard
and
find
somebody
with
those
skills.
Is
it's
not
that
easy?
But
if
you
have
a
skill,
they
have
a
food
open-source
project,
they
have
contributors,
it's
easy
to
say:
okay
and
okay.
This
is
my
pool
of
people
that
I
can
try
to
hire
and
see
if
they
are
interest.
Okay,
I.
B
Would
say
one
thing,
though
so
I
agree,
that
engineering
is
an
aspect
and
open-source
plays
a
lot
into
the
engineering.
Hiring
is
an
aspect
where
this
is
a
big
factor,
but
specifically
to
my
experience.
Kate
lab
is
completely
all
remote,
so
I
work
in
alliances
and
I'm
also
working
remotely
I
happen
to
be
in
San
Francisco,
but
there
is
like
our
VP
of
alliances
is
in
Denver,
sorry,
Boulder
and,
and
my
teammate
is
in
Israel.
So
we
are
not
on
the
engineering
team
and
yet
we
are
distributed
and
successful
at
large.
How.
B
The
work
does
involve
a
bunch
of
travel
like
particularly
if
for
me,
because
I'm
also
speaking
at
a
lot
of
conferences,
so
that's
a
factor
of
I
think
remote
life,
but
if
I
was
in
a
business,
development
team
based
in
San,
Francisco
I
would
still
travel
to
where
my
partners
might
be.
I
would
still
be
coming
to
China
for
this
conference
right
and
so
I
do
agree.
There
are
some
benefits
to
being
in
certain
geographies
absolutely,
but
that
doesn't
mean
I
need
to
go
into
an
office
in
that
geography.
C
That
makes
sense,
yeah,
yeah,
actually
from
a
distributed
team
side
is
or
from
a
project
perspective.
We
maintain
this
play,
which
is
called
flew
in
D
and
flew
in
bed,
and
it's
fun
that
most
of
them
know
most
of
the
relevant
feedback,
but
the
more
important
things
that
happens
for
the
play
in
terms
of
roadmap
things
to
fix
or
how
to
make
it
better
happens
here
in
conference
when
you
are
face
to
face
with
the
person,
so
I
think
that
remote
work
is
really
fine,
but
cannot
be
like
100%
and.
A
That
also
brings
us
to
a
point.
You
know
which
we
were
talking
before.
That
is
that
it
takes
a
lot
of
skills.
You
know
to
be
a
remote
worker
and
actually
sometimes,
as
you
said,
you
know
it
brings
down
the
productivity
at
times,
though,
when
you're
working
remotely,
you
have
cats
to
distract
I
work
from
home.
I
have
my
kid:
stick
every
time
they
come
home,
Gary
I
am
ho
start
to
go
down
and
talk
to
them,
and
then
mailman
comes
in
and
a
lot
of
things
happen
and
then
sometimes
you
just
want
to
relax.
A
I
mean
I
play
I
play
games
when
I
take
a
break.
So
so
it
takes
skill.
You
have
to
be
very
disciplined,
as
you
said.
So,
can
you
talk
about
you
know
what
is
Allison?
Did
you
have
a
story
to
share
about,
and
you
have
seen
a
case
of
Reema
working
that
what
is
cause
it
needs
to
be
an
efficient
remote
worker,
yeah.
D
I
think,
first
to
to
your
point
on
sort
of
undistracted
I,
think
one
of
the
things
that
is
really
important
to
consider
about
remote
work
is
that
it's
it's
very
easy
to
sort
of
romanticize
the
productivity
of
the
40-hour
co-located
work
week.
I
guarantee
you
that
if
you
look
at
the
user
data
candy
crush
candy
crush
players
are
not
playing
entirely
outside
of
work
hours,
even
when
they're
not
working
remotely,
and
so
that
that
I
think
it's.
D
It's
really
important
that
when
you're
thinking
about
remote
work
and
distraction
you're
not
necessarily
pursuing
the
Platonic
ideal
of
100
percent
productivity,
always
because
what
we're
seeing
is
that
even
in
co-located
workspaces
that
doesn't
happen.
So,
if
you
you
know,
if
you're
in
an
office,
you
know
you
have
that
15
minute
long,
water-cooler
chat
with
your
coworker
about
you
know:
you're
the
local
sports
game
that
you
both
watched,
the
previous
night
or
you're.
D
You
know
going
and
spending
ten
minutes
checking
up
on
your
personal
email
or
corresponding
with
your
family,
and
so
that
sort
of
distraction
within
a
typical
workday
as
normal
and
so
I
think
that
that's
something
important
to
keep
in
mind
as
we're
thinking
about
productivity
and
remote
work
and
then
speaking
to
the
sort
of
specific
skills
that
you
need.
I
think
a
few
of
the
really
key
ones
are.
D
First,
you
need
to
identify
like
what
it
is
that
you
need
as
an
employee
and
as
a
human
being
like
for
me,
I
learned
very
early
on
in,
in
my
experience
with
remote
work
that
if
I
didn't
get
out
of
my
apartment
and
see
people
at
least
twice
a
week,
I
went
stir-crazy
where
I
would
just
end
up.
You
know
looking
around
it's
the
back
half
of
the
week
and
it's
just
like,
oh
god,
what
day
it
is,
what
day
is
it,
and
so
there
are
other
people
for
whom
they
really
like.
D
D
A
I
am
at
that
end
off
expect
extreme
of
expected
me.
If
I
see
a
person
I
like
damn
now,
I
can't
wear
a
whole
day
to
I,
don't
leave
my
home
other
than
taking
the
trash
out
and
once
I
get
out
in
fifteen
days
and
I
like
and
I
tell
my
wife
that
half
the
day
is
gone.
I
could
not
work
now,
because
I've
seen
somebody
I
have
to
go
and
meet
somebody.
So
anyway,
that's
funny,
but
s
everybody
here
is
like
working
remotely.
You
have
developed
your
own
skills.
A
You
have
an
tell
by
your
I'm
still
working
on
it.
I've
been
working
it
morally
for
six
years,
but
I'm
still
working
on
what
makes
more
efficient.
But
you
know
we
have
always
so
can
you
talk
about
what
skills
you
have
develop
or
you
would
like
to
share
with
other
people?
You
know
that
this
is
what
you
need
sure.
B
B
So
at
gitlab
we
have
this
thing
called
the
git
lab
handbook,
which
is
everything
you
could
think
of
about
how
the
company
runs
is
written
down
and
we
put
a
lot
of
a
cachet
on
the
written
word.
So
we
record
everything-
and
this
handbook
is
like
we
edited
if,
if
I
see
something
wrong,
I
can
go
in
and
edit
sub
submit
a
merge
request
right
away.
B
So
that,
based
like
form
sort
of
like
this
universe,
like
source
of
truth
single
source
of
truth
of
how
we
work,
so
that's
number
one,
the
other
is
there:
it's
really
encouraged
to
socialize
via
zoom,
so
we
have
virtual
coffee,
chats,
which
kind
of
helps
me
as
a
really
extraordinary
person,
so
I,
like
kind
of
get
to
make
friends
and
talk
to
people.
So
those
are
like
some
structural
things.
The
company
does
and
then
there's
actually
one
thing
that's
really
important
is
we
have
a
daily
company
call
and
a
group
update.
B
So
a
group
is
like
any
group
working
on
some
project
so
that
way
like-
and
these
are
all
optional,
but
it
it
creates
a
good
cadence
to
your
day.
It's
something
you
start
and
go
to
the
camp.
It's
like
going
to
stand
up,
and
that
has
helped
me
a
lot
that
said,
there's
I
am
constantly
working
on
it
because,
as
I
said,
extraverted
used
to
running
around
and
suddenly
I
am
in
my
small
studio
in
San
Francisco
and
not
going
anywhere.
B
So
that's
something
is
constant
learning
process
for
me
and
I
hope
to
like
improve,
but
I
will
say
even
with
all
of
that.
I
like
this
work
style,
because
I'm
actually
more
productive,
so
I
just
need
to
find
the
balance
where
I
feel
like
socially,
like
I'm
getting
enough,
but
productivity,
wise
I
feel
happy.
So.
A
C
C
The
company
three
years
ago,
no
okay,
the
hill
quarter,
was
the
US.
They
have
an
office
in
Japan
and
well.
They
wanted
to
grow
the
flu
in
d-team
and
well.
It
was
available,
but
it
was
a
bit
up
from
Costa
Rica
for
family
reasons.
I
couldn't
move
out
from
Costa
Rica
to
us,
so
I
think
that
there
was
never
for.
For
me
a
policy
in
term.
C
You
have
to
do
a
B,
C
and
D
and
I
think
that,
because
of
the
company,
there's
in
in
the
value
of
the
company
is
really
transparent
about
what
would
we
do
internally?
And
there
is
a
lot
of
trust
between
the
hiring
managers,
the
managers
with
the
people,
that's
working,
the
teams,
so
I,
never
I
never
had
somebody
behind
me
a
are
you
doing
your
work?
C
Are
you
doing
this
a
B
and
C,
but
in
the
other
side,
I
know
that
I
had
to
do
my
work
every
day
and
I
raise
my
hand
what
I
need
to
get
some
question
clarify
something
and
but
I
think
that
you
need
to
be
proactive
if
you
are
proactive,
because
if
you're
going
to
have
somebody
who's
remotely
now,
for
example,
and
we're
trying
to
find
somebody
to
want
to
work
remotely,
but
I
don't
want,
we
don't
want
to
have
somebody
that
we
need
to
have
a
call
every
day.
Hey.
C
What
are
you
doing,
what
you
don't
push
the
code
or
what
so
we
need
that
people
who's
proactive
okay.
So
we
never
had
this
kind
of
policies
from
the
beginning,
but
everybody
knows
that
needs
to
get
the
work
done
and
in
the
company
values
in
general
and
everybody
does
a
great
job
and
that's
it
so
I
think
that
is
mostly
a
kind
of
a
culture
in
the
company.
C
Okay
and
when
I
started
with
this
company
well
and
before
it
was
at
Oracle
and
kind
of
working
remotely
than
the
last
year
and
I
try
to
discover
what
makes
me
makes
me
more
productive.
He
said:
okay,
everybody's
different,
you
know
things
that
work
for
me
will
not
work
for
you.
Some
people
need
to
need
to
look
more
people,
somebody
likes
to
be
alone,
and
that's
fine.
So
for
me,
what
we
want
work
in
the
past
we
know
was
not
working.
C
C
A
The
way
I
work
is
I
get
up
like
makes
it
first,
when
I
bring
that
breakfast
to
my
table,
because
okay
I'm
a
journalist
so
most
of
my
work,
Austin,
was
reading
and
doing
a
lot
of
research.
So
it
doesn't
involve
you
know
or
making
films
so
I
have
to
do
research,
so
I
can
do
that
while
I'm
consuming
food,
so
I
talk
too
much,
but
it
cannot.
A
For
but
my
problem
is
my
wife
says
that
you
are
working
all
the
time,
because
my
office
is
also
turns
into
my
entertainment
room.
So
my
3d
printer
is
there
my
remote
carves
room.
Are
there
and
my
electronic
sort
of
I
do
a
lot
of
things?
The
raspberry
PI's
and
Arduinos,
and
my
playstation
is
also
there.
A
C
A
C
Actually,
it's
different
because
in
size
it's
okay,
it's
all
about
the
synergy
that
you
have
at
home.
In
my
case.
Well,
it's
my
wife
Mae
took
it
seven
and
four.
So
every
morning,
wake
up
like
6:00
a.m.
where
Costa
Rica
we
go.
We
have
a
very
early
6:00
a.m.
or,
if
I
do
the
breakfast,
my
wife
would
make
the
breakfast
and
the
other
is.
C
B
C
The
thing
is
to
understand
what
you
the
things
that
you
don't
like:
I,
don't
like
to
not
be
productive.
So
if
I
don't
like
not
be
pert
and
to
try
to
find
the
things
that
make
me
worse,
working
and
I
think
that
getting
pajamas
don't
get
the
right
food
makes
me
really
angry.
I
cannot
work.
That
happens
here
too.
I
think.
A
I
think
shit-turd
upon
a
very
valid
point,
and
that
is
that
in
oven,
when
you
work
remotely,
you
actually
discover
yourself
when
you
go
to
office,
you
never
get
time
to
discover
yourself
who
you
are
because
you
are
sit
in
a
mold.
If
you
can,
you
know
talk
about,
we
are
all
bricks
in
a
wall
kind
of
setup.
You
know
and
everybody.
So
here
you
discover
yourself,
you
spend
time
with
yourself,
you
you
be
yourself
and
that's
important,
but
once
again
it
goes
back
to
you
have
to
put
work
into
it.
A
D
It's
not
a
sustainable
thing
for
me,
I'm
not
about
to
go
and
spend
$15
on
coffee
and
pastries
every
day,
just
for
the
benefit
of
you
know
being
surrounded
by
humans
in
a
coffee
shop,
but
when
I
need
a
little
bit
of
a
boost,
especially
at
like
one
o'clock
in
the
afternoon.
That's
really
useful
for
me,
like
that
sort
of
change
of
environment
is
a
good
way
to
give
myself
sort
of
a
mental
kick
in
the
pants.
D
D
But
at
the
same
time,
for
me,
I
know
that
I
am
at
my
best
when
I'm
waking
up
around
7:00,
7:30
and
I'm,
taking
the
first
look
at
my
email
around
that
time
and
then
I'm
really
starting
to
respond
around
8:30
9
o'clock,
giving
myself
the
time
to
get
up
shower,
get
ready
or
just
you
know,
get
caught
up
on
other
stuff.
If
there's
something
you
know
familial,
that
comes
up
for
me,
whatever.
That
is
like
having
that
time
and
space
to
say
yeah.
D
Gig
and
I
would
very
commonly
you
know,
start
working
around
7:30,
8:00
a.m.
and
then
break
for
lunch
break
for
dinner
and
really
stop
working
around
8:30
9
o'clock
with
a
couple
of
breaks
in
between
but
like
it
was
a
good
solid,
like
probably
like
eight
to
ten
hours
of
work
every
day
and
that
ultimately
left
me
feeling
not
my
best
and
so
actually
going
and
setting
those
guardrails
with
something
that
was
really
important
for
me.
So
you.
A
A
What
I've
seen
is
that
you
know
that
you
know
it's
also
a
kind
of
straddle.
Also
when
you
work
from
home,
you
said
you
have
to
build
a
lot
of
guardrails.
You
know
you
cannot
build
gates
when
you
go
to
company,
they
have
gates.
You
know
you
cannot
do
certain
things,
so
you
have
this
flexibility
and
that
it
makes
people.
Is
there
anything
that
you
have
struggled
with
working
for
home
or
is
there
something
that
you
feel
that
you
are
better?
You
know
when
you
work
from
home
in.
B
B
Something
I've
learned
is
that
when
I'm
working
from
the
comfort
of
my
home,
particularly
I,
am
I'm,
definitely
gonna
get
the
job
done
so
that
part
I
have
started
feeling
very
relaxed
about
now,
because
I
have
noticed
my
workflow
right
now
and
no
matter
what
happens
if
I
have
a
deliverable,
it
gets
done
if
I,
like
whatever
my
work.
Priorities
are
they're
fine,
so
that's
the
good
part
and
I'm
doing
it
better
than
I
did
when
I
was
in
an
office.
So
that's
nice.
B
The
negative
is
that
my
my
like
whether
it's
like,
if
I'm,
trying
to
think
about
like
long
term
planning
for
my
career
or
my
work
in
like
six
months
out
or
it's
like
my
health,
how
Alec,
when
do
I
had
breakfast,
went
to
eat
lunch
when
do
I
go
to
the
gym?
Those
are
the
things
that
really
suffer
for
me
when
I
work
from
home,
because
so
I'd
get
Lobby
as
I
told
you,
we
have
the
morning
company
call
you
know.
First,
we
have
the
group
update.
B
Then
we
have
the
company
call
and
then
often
there
will
be
like
a
bunch
of
meetings.
So
8:00
a.m.
to
10:00
a.m.
Pacific
time
is
like
busy
for
me
now
being
a
night
owl
I
often
wake
up
really
quickly
and
like
get
ready
for
the
call
and
just
go
and
being
in
alliances
and
partnerships.
I
tend
to
have
a
lot
of
meetings,
so
there
have
been
days
almost
like
two
three
times
a
week
where
I'll
go
from
8
a.m.
to
2
p.m.
B
just
in
meetings
and
like
rushing
through
to
like
meet
some
deadline
or
get
something
done
and
I
actually
haven't,
eaten
anything
or
move
from
the
couch
where
I
was
sitting
and
working.
That's
definitely
bad
for
me
and
that's
a
work
in
progress
that
I'm
fixing
I.
Think,
as
Eduardo
said
to
me
a
few
days
ago,
I
just
have
to
try
and
shift
my
schedule
a
little
bit
to
going
to
bed
earlier
and
you
know
being
a
bit
more
regimented
so
that
I
don't
do
such
unhealthy
things.
B
A
C
No,
it's
I
think
that
I
always
wanted
to
were
remotely
because
I
wanted
to
be
at
home
and
know
be
apart
and
then
at
the
prime
that
has
to
lose
not
at
home.
I
didn't
want
that
and
I
think
for
me.
That
is
really
positive,
because
I'm
there
with
the
kids
in
the
morning
when
they
coming
back,
that
is
always
there.
Ok,
except
when
traveling
right.
That's
how
you're
traveling
again
yeah
I'm
traveling.
So
it's
my
time
and
a
but
I
think
that
these
travels.
It's
like
I,
told
you
guys
the
other
night.
C
C
A
C
D
C
To
take
a
break
and
my
break,
is
you
know
what
I
need
to
watch
something
different
Netflix
20
minutes
and
my
direct
comes
down:
hey
daddy
what
you
missed.
You
know
we're
not
working.
How
can
I
explain
this?
It's
my
break!
Okay,
you
have
breaks
on
your
school
yeah
yeah.
What
do
you
do?
I
play
football
okay
and
play
my
football.
Is
this
for
you
guys
the
same
thing
but
yeah
yeah,
it's
car!
What.
A
D
I
think,
for
me,
there
are
a
couple
of
things.
The
first
is
around
just
reestablishing
an
exercise
regimen
and
getting
to
a
point
where
I'm
getting
physical
activity
all
day,
and
that
can
be
difficult,
especially
if
it's
like
okay
wake
up
back
to
back
to
back
to
back
to
back
meetings,
you
know
getting
to
deliverables,
getting
everything
done.
Oh
look!
It's
5:00
p.m.
I'm,
worn
out
after
a
day
of
working
and
I
haven't
left
my
apartment,
and
that
can
be.
D
I
joined
isg
in
May
and
so
I
will
continue
to
get
to
meet
and
get
to
know
people,
but
at
the
same
time
there
are
definitely
you
know
there
definitely
those
days
where
it's
like,
but
are
any
of
these
people
real
really
and
of
course
they
are.
Of
course
they
are
they're.
Amazing,
coworkers
and
I
love
them,
but
it
can
be
it's
hard
to
get
that
feeling
of
connection
that
you
do
in
a
co-located,
workplace,
yeah
and.
A
As
somebody
you
know,
as
a
science
fiction,
writer
and
I
also
know,
the
focus
is
more
on
where
we
are
heading
instead
of
where
we
are
and
I'm
heavily
into
VR,
and
they
are
so
I
think
you
know
you
just
veer
a
head
set
and
then
you're
in
the
office
setup
yeah
and
especially
if
Alan
musk
succeeds
in
you
know,
taking
a
lot
of
people
to
Mars.
We
must
have
to
work.
A
You
will
have
to
work
remotely
right.
You
know,
there's
no
way.
If
you
look
at
a
human,
you
know
civilization,
future
intergalactic
civilization.
We
cannot
all
move
to
Mars
and
Jupiter,
so
we
will
have
to
work
remotely
so
before
I
think
I
think
we
can
now
wrap
it
up
right.
We
have
covered
some,
so
let's
wrap
it
up
with
you
know.
A
First
of
all,
the
key
takeaways
that
you
have
experienced
and
second,
is
that
what
piece
of
advice
you
have
for
those
who
who
either
planned
to
work
or
who
are
kind
of
you
know
in
on
the
fence
that
you
know
what
they
should
do
to
be
more
productive,
and
it
could
also
be
helpful
to
the
HR
teams.
Also
too,
because
this
is
actually
more
efficient,
a
work
force
so.
B
My
key
takeaway
for
anyone
listening
is
that
the
all
remote
or
partially
remote
workforces
are
only
gonna,
get
bigger
and
stronger
as
we
go
along
and
benefits
for
everybody.
Just
like
any
workforce.
There
will
be
some
challenges
too,
but
as
we
get
more
experienced
as
a
culture
society
industry
in
remote
work,
we're
just
gonna
keep
solving
those
problems,
so
I
invite
people
to
look
at
it
as
an
exciting
new
thing,
we're
doing
together,
as
opposed
to
this,
like
weird
random
thing
on
the
side.
B
So
that's
one
thing
in
terms
of
advice:
I
would
say
this
is
directed
particularly
at
people
who
say
remote
is
definitely
not
for
me
a
lot
of
times.
This
might
be
people
who
are
not
yet
married,
so
they
don't
have
family
family
concerns.
Kind
of,
like
myself,
I
would
say,
don't
turn
a
blind
eye
to
all
remote
jobs
or
remote
jobs,
because,
even
though
you
may
associate
yourself
with,
like
you
know,
being
an
office
ride,
I
was
I
was
totally
in
office
right,
basically
never
left.
B
It
can
be
actually
much
more
productive
when
you
work
from
home,
as
I
mentioned
I'm.
Doing
really
great.
On
that
front
now,
God
would
so
consider
it,
and
the
other
thing
is
I've
made
good
friends
with
other
get
laberd's
just
because
when
we
do
hang
out
it's
actually
often
for
fun.
So
every
nine
months
we
do
a
summit
where
we
go
off
to
a
location.
So
we
went
to
South
Africa,
that's
amazing.
Nobody
else
goes
off
to
South
Africa,
just
to
get
to
hang
out
with
your
colleagues
and
learn
about
each
other.
B
So
I've
made
really
deep
connections
with
company
people,
so
all
remote
does
not
mean
that
you
won't
have
fun
you
more
make
friends
and
even
if
you're
an
office
rat,
you
might
actually
enjoy
the
work.
So
don't
blanket
know
it
give
it
a
shot,
and
then
some
advice
I
would
have.
Is
that
as
companies
try
to
put
as
much
structure
as
much
visibility
into
into
your
work
into
your
into
how
you
do
things
so
write
everything
down
set
up
like
structured,
like
calls
etc
to
force.
B
C
I
think
that
is
really
if
you
want
to
work
remotely
and
try
to
understand.
Why
do
you
want
it
and
need
to
be
aware
that
I'm
working
remotely
it's
times
more
about
productivity,
that
being
sit
in
an
office
for
a
fixed
set
amount
of
time?
So
it's
all
about
I
mean
they're
at
home,
working
from
8:00
to
5:00.
C
It's
about
get
the
things
done,
anything
that's
what
matters
and
sometimes
that
what
matters
takes
more
time
and
some
time
is
easily
to
be
working
on
the
weekend,
so
be
careful
with
that
in
the
past,
I
used
to
also
be
working
during
the
weekend,
Saturday
or
Sunday,
but
you
need
to
put
your
own
limits
and
understand
and
prioritize.
You
need
to
understand
how
to
prioritize.
So
a
takeaway
is
ok,
maybe
if
you're
working
in
an
office-
and
you
are
tempted
to
work
remotely
go
for
it,
try
it.
C
But
you
need
to
develop
a
different
skills
to
focus
yourself
on
work
focus
on
yourself
and
to
try
not
to
be
like
see
the
whole
day
and
try
to
keep
in
your
mind
that
there
are
more
humans
around
you
and
not
just
you
computer.
You
so,
as
that
would
be
the
advice,
so
just
go
for
it,
give
it
a
try
so
and.
D
In
a
in
a
similar
vein,
as
what
Eduardo
brought
up
I
would
say,
the
like
key
takeaway
I
would
offer
to.
Everyone
is
just
like
in
one
word,
intentionality
like
if
you're
going
to
go
about
doing
remote
work,
do
it
intentionally,
because
so
much
of
what's
going
to
impact
both
you
as
an
employee
individually
as
well
as
a
remote
company,
are
the
sorts
of
habits
that
you
end
up
establishing,
and
so
those
habits
are
if,
if
created
intentionally,
can
be
very
constructive.
If
not,
then
you
may
end
up
creating
constructive
habits.
D
You
may
not
end
up
creative,
creating
constructive
habits,
but
you've
gone
and
created
habits,
one
way
or
another,
as
far
as
other
advice
goes,
I
think
that
for
companies
that
are
thinking
about
adding
remote
workers,
where,
if
they're
in
that
scenario,
where
it's
like
what
we
we
can't
really
find
the
talent
that
we
want
locally.
Let's
add
some
remote
folks,
like
you
can't
just
say:
oh
we'll,
add
some
folks
remotely
and
have
it
happen
as
a
bolt-on.
You
really
need
to
think
about.
How
do
you
need
to
change
the
processes?
D
How
do
you
need
to
change
the
way
that
you
operate,
the
teams
that
those
people
are
going
to
be
included
in
because
you
don't
want
to
be
in
a
scenario
where
you're,
1
or
2
remote
workers?
Here,
oh
yeah?
We
we
had
this
like
conversation
over
lunch
about
the
future
of
the
company
and
like
here's,
what
we
decided
on
it's
like.
Well,
ok,
great
I!
D
It's
a
lot
easier
for
them
to
set
the
agenda
to
set
the
way
things
work
and
it's
a
lot
harder
for
somebody,
who's,
not
a
vice
president
to
say
well,
I,
don't
want
to
have
meetings
at
7
o'clock
in
the
morning.
I
would
rather
have
meetings
at
2
o'clock
in
the
afternoon.
It's
that's
a
harder
thing
to
do,
depending
on
how
much
power
you
have
within
the
organization
and
I.
Think
being
cognizant
of
that
is
really
important,
because
that's
something
that
it
can
be.
A
And
that
reminds
me,
I
was
at
Oracle
OpenWorld
and
Larry
Ellison.
He
came
at
2
p.m.
to
deliver
his
keynote
because
yeah
he
must
be
on
his
yard
and
after
that
he
woke
up
and
he
delivered.
But
not
everybody
can
I,
but
everybody
has
to
get
up
and
do
the
keynote
at
9
or
8
a.m.
in
the
morning
and
people
so
yeah.
So
not
everybody
has
a
liberty.
Ns
going
back
to
your
point.
Working
from
home
gives
you
more
time
to
look
for
your
partner.
Also
because
then
you
can
finish
your
project.
A
So
yeah,
so
you
can
also
have
a
lot
of
relationships
and
you
can
actually
explore
more
so
well
on
the
past
in
hoot,
if
we
can
conclude
it
on
post-it
note
thanks.
Everybody
for
you
know
talking
to
to
me
today
about
this
topic,
and
hopefully
we'll
see
you
again,
and
hopefully
you
will
still
be
working
remotely
by
that
time.
Thank
you.