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From YouTube: Testing UX / PM / Research sync 2020-05-08
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Nadia has questions about the current state of Usability Testing, we review designs for the Group Code Coverage page and Juan updates us on the Category Maturity Scorecard interviews completed for Accessibility.
A
B
Yeah
so
I
wanted
to
bring
this
topic
that
just
this
week
came
up
in
York,
City,
ship
chat
and
meeting.
So
we
have
chatted
a
little
bit
with
Juan
about
this,
but
yeah
where
it
was
at
the
end
of
our
meetings.
We
didn't
really
have
the
opportunity
to
properly
catch
up
or
do
any
proper
conclusions
out
of
that
and
I
was
doing
a
little
bit
of
the
research.
But
let
me
describe
the
situation
here,
so
the
topic
is
around
the
setting
up
experience
of
visual
review.
B
Currently
we
require
at
modifying
application
with
a
little
like
script
in
order
to
yeah
to
set
up
the
visual
review
tool
and
yeah.
The
feedback
was
a
christy
pro
2.0
PM
was
playing
with
it
around
and
there
is
the
review
button
near
the
view
app
which,
if
you
press
there
is
displayed
pop
up
coming
up
asking
you
to
enable
the
visual
review
and
yeah
the
the
experience
is
feeling
a
little
bit
of
like
yeah.
It's
include
scripts
and
includes
a
little
bit
of
lipo
technical
or
to
that.
B
A
Yes,
we
are
planning
to
not
in
the
immediate
future,
we're
still
trying
to
sort
out
how
we
can
implement
that
for
the
templates.
So
if
you
start
any
project
and
use
the
template
and
it's
a
front-end
there,
it'll
deploy
a
website,
you
get
that
wired
in
automatically,
like
we've
indicated
so
that
hopefully
then
users,
starting
with
the
template,
are
just
going
to
get
that
out
of
the
box.
A
We've
dug
into
a
couple
of
the
suggestions
in
there
and
just
haven't,
had
the
bandwidth
while
we're
working
on
the
unit
test
stuff,
the
code
coverage
stuff,
the
code
quality
stuff
that
is
just
a
higher
priority.
So
once
we
get
those
categories
into
a
better
state
and
close
some
of
those
gaps
that
we
have
and
address
some
of
the
customer
demand
that
we're
trying
to
meet.
Then
we
can
come
back
and
revisit
visual
reviews.
A
B
A
We're
not
driving
it
based
on
a
timeline.
It's
just
1
min
finished
this
priority
work.
Well,
we
evaluate
and
see
really
what
is
the
next
highest
priority
thing.
We
know
that
we're
in
a
chicken-and-egg
situation
of
no
one's
using
it
and
that's
part
of
the
reason
we're
not
prioritizing
it,
but
we
know
no
one's
using
it
because
it's
really
hard
to
use.
A
So
we
know
we
need
to
make
that
experience
a
lot
better
to
set
up
the
tool
and
then
we
can
actually
gauge
interest
in
it,
and
so
it'll
it'll
be
something
that
we
address
and
then
hopefully
not
too
distant
future.
It
just
really
depends
on
this
code
coverage
work
that
we're
doing
and
trying
to
close
some
of
those
gaps
in
the
unit
testing
and
the
test
presentation
that
we
have.
We
think
that
we
can
just
it's
a
bigger
opportunity
for
us
in
that
area
right
now
that
we
should
address
the
visual
reviews.
B
A
We're
working
on
getting
data
around
visual
review
usage
as
part
of
our
let's
start
project.
The
other
thing
is
that
we
don't
hear
complaints
and
so
I'm
going
based
off
the
past
experience
of
well,
if
no
one's
using
it,
no
one's
complaining
about
it.
It's
probably
a
great
experience
of
doing
exactly
what
they
want
or
no
one's
using.
It
know
how
bad
it
is
based
on
how
we've
tried
to
use
it
internally.
We
know
it's,
probably
not
the
former,
it's
more
of
the
latter.
It's
just
not
getting
white
adoption
and
I.
A
B
Okay,
well,
yeah!
That's
thanks
for
the
background.
I
think!
That's
that's
fine
with
me,
of
course,
James
you
were
the
driver
of
the
road
map
and
yeah
I
understand
that
there
is
no
influence
that
I
could
put
on
these
or
like
put
much
more
emphasis
of
that.
Of
course,
like
we
sounds
like
you're
aware
of
the
user
experience
challenges
here,
it
seems
like
that.
Yeah
this
process
is
not
that
smooth.
It's
it's
kind
of
like
little
bit.
A
I
think
there's
two
things
we
can
do.
One
is
it
to
do
for
me,
and
it's
actually
already
on
my
list
is
to
create
a
walkthrough
to
try
to
set
up
an
app
that
will
use
visual
reviews.
That's
one
I
think
that
would
help
evangelize,
hey,
there's
this
product,
or
this
feature
out
there
that
you
can
use
to
leave
feedback
back
into
a
merge
request.
The
other
is
that
we
should
create
a
dogfooding
issue
for
this,
like
if
it's
blocking
or
if
we
want
to
use
internally.
A
We
should
create
that
issue
and
then
we
can
triage
it
and,
as
part
of
the
issue
about
use
existing
feature,
talk
about
what
are
the
gaps
that
are
preventing
us
from
already
using
the
feature
we
have
a
everything
already
that's
been
filed
for
code
quality
and
that's
helping
drive
some
of
the
code.
Quality
roadmap
is
listen.
We
just
can't
use
this
feature
right
now
because
of
some
user
experience
and
some
gaps
in
the
tech,
and
so
we
can
address
those.
B
Okay,
that's
useful,
you
know
what
let
me
take
the
first
step
here.
I
will
go
ahead
and
create
a
doc
putting
issue
for
this,
just
to
collect
some
people's
experiences
and
feedbacks
and
thoughts,
which
will
probably
be
a
nice
way
to
collect
also
those
thoughts
on
how's
it
going
for
our
own
people,
and
that
could
be
a
nice
cool
stuff.
Thanks
for
that
idea,.
C
We
didn't,
we
didn't
get
to
wrap
that,
but
so
that's
what
I
wanted
to
bring
up
that.
There's
something
that
already
kind
of
works
towards
improving
the
user
experience
which
is
before
you
have
to
add
mesh
request
number
and
we
recently
changed
that
so
it's
automatically
set,
so
that's
I
mean
we
have.
Although
we
have
not,
we
don't
have
this
prioritize,
all
the
small
additions
that
we
have
been
doing
lately
being
they
are
definitely
improving.
What
was
before
you
know,
like
I,
think
I
think
the
design
revamp
that
we
did
to
it.
B
C
C
B
You
know
I
think
by
opening
the
the
issue
as
James
suggested.
Maybe
this
is
also
a
nice
way
to
collect
some
of
the
people
say
like
feelings
about
this
yeah
cuz.
Usually
it
look
good
be
seen
as
a
blocking,
but
I
saw
I
agree
with
you,
so
it's
not
the
experience
that
I
would
want
to
help
but
say
hey
the.
C
Main
problem
that
I
have
with
the
text
is
free.
This
is
that
second
paragraph
which
is
like
I'm
gonna,
read
it
just
because
it's
kind
of
hilarious,
it's
a
step
one
and
two
parentheses
and
sometimes
three-hour
perform
wants
by
the
develop
developer,
using
requests
before
requesting
feedback,
a
step,
trees,
parentheses,
if
necessarily
coma
for,
is
pro
it's
kinda
weird,
it
doesn't
make
sense
when
I'm
breathing
there.
So
that's
you
know,
that's
very
low
hanging
fruit
of
things
that
we
can
improve.
C
Yeah
I
think
that's
something
that
I
could
personally
do
like.
It's
waiting
the
realm
of
my
abilities.
Changing
this
text,
I
just
need
to
sing
with
I
just
need
to
pair
up
with
our
writer
and
yeah.
We
can
come
up
with
something
better,
which
is
the
writer
for
testing
I,
always
forget
the
the
writers
Marcel
Marcel
there
you
go
yeah
I
know,
Marcel
is
also
forerunner,
but
I'm,
never
sure
if,
like
it's
the
same
it
all
right,
yeah,
so
yeah.
B
C
A
I
saw
this
this
morning.
They
look
really
good
now,
do
you
have
some
comments?
I'm
learning
them
as
well
about
expectation
of
where
the
filter
and
the
buttons
are
in
comparison
to
where
the
data
shows
up
which
I
didn't
+1
but
+1
to
those
comments.
So
I
go
back
and
actually
do
that
in
the
issue.
So
you
have
my
people.
C
C
C
Of
what
they
do,
you
select
your
projects
and
just
tells
you
the
average
like
the
current
coverage
and
how
the
number
of
all
right,
the
other
one
is
like
an
I
mean
I
feel
that
it's
almost
like
one,
it's
waiting
for
the
other
one
to
catch
up.
It
feels
a
lot
like
that,
but
I
know
that
we're
not
gonna
be
able
to
have
like
a
very
comprehensive
table
out
of
the
box,
because
I
know.
Horrible
idea
is
that
you
have
to
click
on
the
project
and
then
like
that,
shows
like
more
deeper
detail.
A
The
eventually
one
of
the
issues
in
the
MVC
is
click
through
then
to
the
project
in
land
on
the
projects
graph.
So
this
like
this,
is
a
the
next
step
up,
as
you
continue
to
roll
that
data
up
of
coverage
from
projects
you
just
get
links
that
go
back
and
forth,
not
back
and
forth,
but
continue
to
let
you
drive
drill
down
right,
so
we
don't
need
to
show
it.
In
that
view,
it's
just
a
link
into
the
next
view,
so
you
jump
into
that
project
and
see
its
coverage.
C
So
yeah,
so
the
only
thing
is
like
for
that
table
that
table
is
for
that
one
particular
issue
that
talks
about
the
table.
Where
read
he
he,
he
left
some
comments
and,
like
you,
updated
that
issue.
So
when
I
went
over
that
one
and
I
basically
work
on
based
on
that.
One
thing
that
it's
not
specified
on
that
particular
issue
is
the
fact
that
basically,
there's
no
day
like
this
is
like,
like
the
latest,
who
rent
coverage
right.
Okay,.
A
C
Different
to
me,
because
he's
like
tell
me,
what's
the
current
coverage
for
all
these
projects
and
how
many
conversions
each
of
these
projects
are
download
tescorus,
please
tell
me,
give
me
all
the
test
scores
data
for
the
last
30
days
or
50
days
or
60
days.
Is
there
an
opportunity
to
combine
them
both
yes
and
then
that
will
create
like
a
more
complex
table
where
you
can
select
date,
ranges
and
whatnot,
but
it
also
will
change
how'd
they
scope
and
even
the
functionality
of
the
table
itself
will
be
different
so
and.
B
C
C
Real-Time.
Data
on
the
coverage
is
every
time
that
the
job
runs
right.
So
it's
the
last
time
that
the
job
was
run.
This
is
kind
of
like
a
snapshot
into
your
data
coverage
data.
At
this
point
right,
that's
what
the
table
is
doing.
That's
how
it's
describing
the
issue.
Now
the
download
test
test
coverage
data,
I
I,
get
what
you're
saying
area
by
the
way.
I
think
that
it
just
needs
to
be
more
clear
what
this
model
is
doing
about.
C
What
the
thing
is
doing
is
that
you
select
the
projects
and
then
you
select
the
data
range
last
30
days
last
40
days
last
six
months
whatever,
and
then
you
download
the
correct
data
and
then
that
there
are
laws
of
CSV
file
that
has
all
the
projects
that
you
selected
with
all
the
their
individual
coverages.
So
like
here,
you
in
the
table,
you
don't
have
a
detail
of
the
courage
and
it's
also
gonna
give
you
all
the
data
across
that
time
span
that
you
just
selected
so
I
feel
that
the
disconnection
is
well
yeah.
C
B
Maybe
you
could
like
do
a
couple
of
testings
here
with
people
and
just
like
see
what
they
think
I
think
we
should
just
make
people
think
what
is
the
difference
between
the
two
tables,
because
this
is
what
I
was
puzzled
way.
So
I
was
like.
Okay,
I
have
two
drop
downs
already
connected,
and
you
know
like
giving
all
of
these
thoughts
that
you
know
if
we
would
be
designing
a
smooth
user
experience
which
I
get
we
maybe
not
doing
for
the
NBC,
but
still,
if
I,
if
we
will
be
having
a
smooth
experience.
C
You're
totally
right,
Nadia
and
I
think
like
even
before
showing
I
already
have
a
couple
of
ideas,
I
think
like
adding
a
heading
title
to
the
table
and
changing
the
heading
title
of
the
module,
maybe
I'm
kind
of
like
helper
text.
It's
gonna
terrify
things
a
little
bit.
So
let
me
just
tweak
things
around
a
little
bit
and
then
yeah.
We
can
test
internally
with
some
people
to
see.
What
do
you
think
sounds.
C
Alright,
so
yeah
I'll
make
sure
that
I
go
to
those
updates,
but
at
least
we
have
something
to
discuss
about,
which
is
it's
always
good
and
I
think
the
only
thing
that
I
wanted
sure
is
that
we
are
pretty
good
with
the
every
maturity
scorecard
I
did
for
polls
this
week.
I
need
to
basically
go
to
those
videos
and
make
the
the
scoring
process
and
everything
that's
missing
and
I'm
also
gonna
edit
the
videos
a
little
bit.
I'll
share
them
with
you
guys
later
yeah
I
mean
we
all
want
to
go
in
theory.
C
C
B
I
think
that's
good,
I
think
just
like
next
time.
Even
the
invite
comes
the
same
time
that
you,
Laurie,
probably
would
would
be
wanted
to
be
in
those
sessions
in
the
maturity
scorecard,
so
I
think
even
on.
If
this,
if
you
know,
if
you
have
a
session
in
30
minutes
or
so
like
just
drop
by
an
invite
to
Lori
and
that
she
can
decide,
can
she
make
it
or
not,
I
think
it's
always
like
good
to
have
someone
there
or
helping
state
and
also
we're
coming
up
with
additional
questions,
whatever
yeah.