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From YouTube: Upstream Diversity Working Group - Kick-off call
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Initial kick-off call for the Upstream Diversity Working Group to discuss the objective of the group and determine next steps.
A
Cool
so
overview.
What
we
kind
of
want
to
do
here
is
address
the
issue
and
I
think
rebecca
actually
said
it
pretty
well,
which
is
you
know
we
as
a
company
were
embarking
on
this
outbound
only
model.
We
think
that's
going
to
be
incredibly
effective
at
improving
the
diversity
of
our
team.
However,
in
technical
recruiting,
we
are
what
I
would
call
downstream.
A
We
can
talk
about
that
term
in
a
moment
from
some
pretty
severe
filters
on
diversity,
so
one
of
them
being
the
university
program,
and
we
don't
require
that
you
have
a
four-year
degree
here
or
a
comp
sci
degree.
I
don't
have
a
four-year
degree
in
comp
size
so
that
if
that
doesn't
tell
you
it's
okay,
I
don't
know
what
well,
but
a
lot
of
people
do-
and
you
know
the
for
instance.
Gender
diversity
is
very
slanted
and
comp
side
programs.
A
I
think
it's
25
of
compsci
undergrads
are
female
and
then
the
moment
they
get
to
industry
that
drops
to
19.
So
that's
kind
of
our
initial
conditions
right.
So
that's
one
problem.
The
other
problem
is
that
if
we
get
really
good
at
technical
recruiting
and
we're
pulling
experienced
people
from
within
the
industry,
but
other
companies
in
our
direction,
we're
not
actually
sort
of
like
we're
just
we're.
If
the
cynical
way
to
be
to
look
at
it
would
be
sort
of
a
zero-sum
game.
A
We're
not
actually
improving
the
diversity
of
the
industry,
we're
just
sort
of
stealing
from
other
companies
right,
and
that
would
mean
again
cynically
cynical
interpretation,
we're
not
actually
creating
any
net
new
opportunity
for
people
right.
If
that
is
true-
and
I
know
that's
definitely-
that's
an
extreme
sort
of
a
hyperbolic
way
to
look
at
it,
but
hopefully
that's
a
luster
of
why
I
think
it's
important
to
look
upstream
and-
and
so
another
aspect
of
this
is
that
it
may
not
be
measurable,
unlike
a
lot
of
other
things
that
we
do,
it
may
not.
A
Actually,
even
if
we're
successful,
it
may
not
actually
directly
benefit
gitlab,
but
when
I
look
at
our
diversity
value
and
everything
we
have
been
doing
and
what
that
value
means
to
me,
it
kind
of
created
what
you
know
going
back
to
my
philosophy,
education,
there's
a
philosopher
named
emmanuel
kant.
You
wrote
about
what
we
call
a
categorical
imperative.
It
kind
of
created
this
categorical
imperative
to
do
this,
even
if
it
doesn't
benefit
us,
and
so
the
idea
is,
you
know
in
the
current
climate,
operating
expense,
meaning
money
is
really
precious.
A
But
what
we've
got
is
this
incredible
reservoir
of
knowledge
and
talent,
and
we
can
give
that
to
other
people
that
haven't
had
those
opportunities,
and
so
the
idea
would
be
to
defined,
find
underrepresented
groups
find
a
way
to
teach
them
that
may
include.
I
think
there
was
a
short
slack
conversation
about
this.
If
we
can
find
a
program
that
already
has
curriculum
and
already
has
students-
and
we
just
plug
into
that-
that's
a
great
small
iteration
that
could
be
incredibly
impactful.
A
If
you
can't
find
that,
then
we've
got
to
do
more
work
and
figure
out
we'll
maybe
design
your
own
curriculum
or
maybe
find
a
way
to
solicit,
find
people
wherever
they're
they're
at
that.
That
would
be
the
max
effort
version
or
the
largest
iteration.
So
that's
something
we've
got
to
figure
out
here
and
the
other
element
of
this
is
that
we're
really
really
interested
in
getting
to
some
of
the
people
that
have
been
dramatically
deprived
of
opportunity.
A
We
cannot
even
assume
that
they've
got
what
I
would
call
the
infrastructure
to
do
remote
learning,
meaning
they
may
not
have
access
to
high
bandwidth
internet
connection.
They
may
not
have
access
to
a
computer
that
they
can
use,
and
is
there
a
way
we
could
address
that,
for
instance,
it
could
be
places
in
africa.
I
know,
might
be
places
in
my
own
country,
but
maybe
there's
some
sort
of
a
donation
program,
whether
it's
money
or
equipment,
or
something
like
that
where
we
could.
A
We
could
optionally
sort
of
address
that
issue
if
we
can
characterize
it
and
if
you
can
do
something
constructive
in
that
regard.
So
that's
the
initial
idea,
but
all
of
this
is
up
for
change
as
we
go
through
that
these
are
all
outputs,
not
inputs
to
this.
This
thing
so
there's
there
may
be
other
things
we
could
do.
Everything
I
said
is
is
up
to
change.
You
know
everybody
can
contribute,
but
that
was
sort
of
the
initial
impetus
of
this
any
any
thoughts
or
questions
about
that.
B
A
quick
question
as
a
clarifying
point
is
the
is
the
objective
to
to
choose
one
thing
and
and
commit
to
that
or,
like
you
mentioned
you
know,
maybe
do
some
teaching
or
create
a
curriculum
and
potentially
sponsor
you
know,
maybe
another
institution
sponsor
equipment.
Is
it
a
multi-uh
kind
of
like
faceted
initiative,
or
you
know,
single
focus
for
for
different
direction?.
A
Yeah,
I
would
say
we
we
should
try
to
do
two
things
in
parallel.
I
don't
know
if
the
infrastructure
problem
is
going
to
be
solvable,
so
I'd
like
to
say
like
they're
they're,
on
two
paths,
I
think
the
the
teaching
one
you
know.
If
I
had
to
guess
right
now,
we
should
definitely
do
the
teaching
one
and
maybe
we
could
figure
out
something
on
the
infrastructure.
One
for
all.
I
know
six
weeks
from
now
we'll
learn
that
it's
the
opposite
or
something
like
that.
A
Yeah,
I
think
that's
so
that's
a
really
good
question
candace
and
I
think
the
way
I
might
one
way
to
look
at
it
would
be
a
couple
quarters
ago.
We
did
a
very
similar
working
group
before
addition,
a
different
initiative.
We
started
an
internship
program,
we've
got
interns
now
and
that
program
is
wrapping
up
and
the
program
has
been
successful
enough,
even
though
it's
not
done
to
say
yeah.
This
worked
and
we're
going
to
do
it
again
like
we're
going
to
formalize
that
program.
D
A
Thing
would
we
could
look
at
it
as
kind
of
a
lead
into
that,
like
maybe
think
about
people
that
could
turn
into
an
intern
or
something
like
that,
but
I'm
also
not
opposed
to
saying
they
might
be
much
further
off.
Of
that
I
mean
if,
if
we,
if
we
determine
that,
there's
a
way
for
us
to
like
teach
villages
in
africa
or
something
like
that,
but
it
just
wouldn't
be
credible
to
us
that
they
might
turn
into
an
intern
or
to
meet
software
engineer
in
a
time
frame
that
benefits
the
company.
A
I
still
say
we
should
go
ahead
with
that,
because
I
think
that
would
be
in
the
spirit
of
what
we're
what
we're
sort
of
doing.
So
that's
that's
my
initial
thoughts,
but
I'm
open
to
ideas
and
about
how
to
how
to
target
whether
it's
geography
or
the
different
dimensions
of
diversity
or
the
stage
of
life
someone's
at.
But
you
know
in
the
internship
program
we
kind
of
just
boxed
it
into
anyone
new
to
tech
and
so
we're
open
to
someone
60
years
old.
E
C
You
just
said
something
powerful
and
I
was
thinking
about
our
git
tool
as
an
example.
So,
on
our
call
this
morning
I
called
out
darva
for
her
conversations
with
morehouse
as
an
example.
That
said,
if
we
are
looking
to
create-
and
she
had
mentioned-
hey
whatever,
and
we
can
also
sell
them
our
tool
to
these
universities
so
that
they
are,
you
know
we
now
have
you
know
a
return
of
investment
on
ourselves
as
well.
It's
a
two-way
street.
C
A
Yeah
and
some
people
have
asked
a
good
question
in
slack.
2
is
like
hey:
is
this
just
training
people
to
be
software
engineers,
or
might
there
be
a
design
or
a
support
dimension
to
it?
I
would
say
at
least
at
this
stage
like
all
of
the
above
and
so
it
may.
It
may
include
programming
but
not
be
limited
to
it.
There
may
be
a
learn
how
to
use
git
lab
element
to
it.
I
think
we'll
learn
that
quickly.
Once
we
can
start
talking
to
candidates
talking
to
potential
partners
about,
what's
what's
useful,
what
do
people?
A
A
It's
a
it's
a
small
thing
in
the
sk
in
the
scheme
of
things,
but
he
found
that
very
personally
rewarding
and
so
he's
actually
had
some
of
these
conversations,
and
he
gave
me
this
list
of
of
conversations
and
founders
he's
aware
of
and
stuff
like
that.
So
I
would
say:
probably
if
we
can,
you
can
find
candidates
to
talk
to
great,
but
we
should
probably
start
with
partners,
because
if
you
find
a
partner,
you
potentially
find
tens
or
hundreds
of
candidates
and
it's
kind
of
a
leveraged
way
to
get
to
more
people.
F
I'd
love
to
just
reach
out
and
say:
hey:
how
are
things
going?
Do
you
want
to
chat
with
someone
who
might
be
able
to
give
you
some
pointers
or
you
know
just
get
just
provide
some
one-on-one
time
to
see
what
are
your
interests
and
what
you
know,
advice
or
guidance?
Can
I
provide
just
to
go
in
the
direction
that
nurtures
those
interests.
A
Yeah,
I
would
just
I
think,
that's
a
fair
question,
ask
he
may
say
no
or
if
he
worked
for
a
partner
they
may
have
privacy
concerns
that
he
doesn't
even
know
who
they
are.
But
that's
a
fine
thing
to
ask
him
in
the
ceo
challenge.
Just
say:
hey,
I'm
part
of
this
working
group
and
we're
looking
to
get
more
information
about
what's
useful.
Would
there
be
a
way
to
talk
to
some
of
the
people
you
gave
gave
laptops
to
a
few
months
ago.
B
A
Sure
yeah
four
is
something
I
I
talked
about
this
in
office
hours,
and
this
is
something
came
up
and
I'm
I'm
thinking
back
two
weeks
ago
and,
most
importantly
across
my
vacation,
so
apologies
if
I'm
remembering
this
strong,
but
I
believe
that
robert
you
had
the
thought
of.
Like
you
and
darva
both
said:
hey
is
upstream
diversity,
the
right
name.
For
this
thing,
robert.
I
think
your
concern
was
well.
A
If
I
was
if,
if
I
was
asked
to
rename
it,
I
would
say
why
don't
we
just
be
extremely
literal
and
say:
teach
underrepresented
groups
or
teach
urgs
just
to
be
very
literal,
and
also
sidestep
all
the
terminology
stuff
about
diversity
and
things
like
that.
But
how
does
everybody
feel
is
upstream
diversity,
clear
or
not?
Is
teach
urgs
a
good
alternative
if
it
is
clunky
candace?
You
especially
have,
I
think,
the
most
experience
with
these
sorts
of.
C
I
was
thinking
in
my
hand,
I
apologize
for
cutting
you
off,
and
I
was
it
just
took
me
back
to
this
seems
very
similar
to
being
a
bridge
when
I
had
a
conversation
with
nadia
one
of
the
things
that
we,
when
she
was
saying,
hey,
I've
had
she's
had
people
reach
out
to
her
externally.
That
may
either
want
informal
mentoring.
Exposure
to
some
things
have
want
to
have
conversations
with
team
members,
and
so
it
popped
into
my
head
that
moment.
C
I
said
what
about
be
the
bridge,
and
so
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
connect
if
what
everyone's
thoughts
are
to
connect.
Something
to
that
you
know
connotation.
You
know
that
nomenclature
of
being
the
bridge
or
built
upon
that
all
right.
We
you
know,
we
definitely
know
that
this
the
focus
would
clearly
be
for
underrepresented
groups,
but
I
don't
know
you
know
just
more.
You
know
gather
more
thoughts.
C
You
know,
because
what
I
would
envision
listening
to
what
you,
what
you
vision
eric
your
vision,
is
for
this
it
it
feels
like
it
might
be
a
broad
neck.
Neck
can't
talk
today
a
broad
reach
for
several
groups,
and
so
I
I
just
you
know,
I
don't
know,
I'm
just
wondering
you
know
I
don't
want
to
limit
it,
but.
A
Actually,
you're
onto
something
interesting
here
where
I'm
talking
about
the
working
group,
where
this
working
group
is
meant
to
design
a
program
and
then
the
working
group
dissipates
it
goes
away.
But
we
do
need
to
this
thing.
If
we're
successful
and
create
a
program,
we
actually
have
to
name
that
program.
A
So
your
suggestion
of
being
the
bridge
that
might
be
a
good
output
for
the
working
group,
which
is
like
yeah,
we
gotta
name
this
thing
and
that's
a
good,
a
good
candidate
for
it,
whereas
the
work
group
is
just
like
what
do
we
call
this
meeting
for
three
months
and
then
it's?
It
goes
away
forever.
If
we're
successful.
C
I'm
gonna
drop
this
in
the
chat,
but
I
also
put
it
in
the
google
doc,
but
here
is
you
know
it
hasn't?
We
really
haven't
done
a
lot
with
it,
but
this
is
was
just
the
current
the
current
process,
if
your
people
are
interested
externally,
whether
it
be
again
learning
more
in
the
space,
and
so
I
think
this
might
be
a
good
compliment
or
build
that
out.
You
know
and
make
this
more
than
what
it
is.
So
you
know
I
definitely
think
it's
something
we
can
run
with.
A
C
G
You
know
deciding
what
the
team
name
is.
Is
it's
interesting,
but
not
super
important
upstream
diversity
does
not
appear
to
be
an
industry
term
exactly,
but
this
is
not
we're
not
trying
to
make
it
be
either
right,
so
it
feels
okay
to
me.
I
knew
what
it
meant
immediately
somehow,
so
I
wasn't
confused
about
it
at
all.
What
was
the
other
thing?
I
was
thinking.
It's
okay,
it'll,
come
back
to
me.
A
Okay,
well,
let's
do
it:
let's
do
that
everything
starts
with
the
nmr.
If
someone
feels
strongly,
we
need
to
rename
this
do
an
mr
change.
The
working
group
changes
change
the
slack
channel
my
suggestion.
We
teach
you
rg's,
but
I'm
open
other
suggestions
as
well
and
we'll
spend
more
time
on
the
name.
The
output
of
this
thing,
which
is
the
actual
program
that
would
live
on,
and
maybe
it's
the
be
the
bridge
program
or
something
like
that.
A
Like
top
down
sort
of
thing
so
yeah,
you
know
to
be
transparent
too.
This
conversation
turned
into
45
minutes
of
my
office
hours,
which
tells
me
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
danger
zone.
Here
we
can
actually
get
really
wrapped
around
axle
and
terminology
when
what
we
actually
want
to
do
is
help
people.
So
let's
just
put
this
one
aside
for
now.
If
someone
wants
to
do
an
mr
we'll
con
rose-
and
I
will
consider
it
and
and
let's
get
back
to
actually
improving
someone's
life
in
station.
A
D
All
right,
yeah,
thanks
eric,
so
I
had
just
a
few
ideas
that
have
been
bouncing
around
in
my
head
since
this
initiative.
Since
I
found
out
about
it,
one
would
be
kind
of
in
the
same
vein.
Well,
let
me
let
me
give
you
a
little
background.
I
do
have
some
experience
with
this,
because
my
mother,
she
actually
worked
in
education
in
corrections
for
21
years.
D
D
They
could
use
something
productive
to
put
their
energy
towards
something
to
work
toward
a
better
future,
and
I
think,
maybe
if
we
could
find
some
if
there's
a
educational
or
instructional
program,
that's
kind
of
uniform
in
juvenile
detention
centers.
If
we
could
work
with
a
partner
to
kind
of
get
our
training
or
whatever
output
we
have
maybe
in
that
environment.
D
As
far
as
well
native
american
reservations,
this
is
something
that's
close
to
my
heart.
This
is
actually
something
I've
been
thinking
of
for
a
long
time
where
I
live
in
the
southwest.
There
is
a
large
population
of
native
americans
and
they
live
on
federally
designated
land
for
them,
and
I
feel
they
they
are
having
several
different
problems.
One
is
a
extremely
high
unemployment
rate
and
the
other
is
kind
of
losing
touch
with
their
culture.
D
D
They
may
not
necessarily
have
computers
to
connect
to
fiber
internet,
but
this
population
is
getting
connected
for
the
first
time,
so
the
infrastructure
is
almost
there
and
I'm
thinking
this
could
be
a
good
way
for
if
we
encourage
them
to
work
remotely
and
do
training
at
home,
perhaps
they
we
could
it
be
a
double
benefit,
one.
We
help
them
find
employment
and
we
can
help
them
preserve
their
culture.
D
A
D
Yeah
exactly
that,
that's
great,
I
do
think
native
american
is
too
too
limited.
Another
idea
I
had
unemployment
offices,
often
when
individuals
go
to
file
for
unemployment
or
unemployment
insurance.
There
are
resources
that
the
unemployment
office
offers
in
terms
of
career
training
and
locating
jobs.
D
They
install
a
linux,
desktop
on
them
very
lean,
so
it
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
hardware
requirements
and
it
has
basically
everything
that
somebody
would
need
to
get
started
coding
or
learning
system
administration
devops,
including
web
browser,
slack,
like
all
of
the
tools
that
we
use
just
come
pre-installed
and
we
could.
We
could
essentially
donate
through
that
or
the
cheap
option.
If
we
want
to
purchase
them
outright,
would
be
just
chromebooks.
D
I
know
linux
foundation
in
the
past
has
given
chromebooks
as
part
of
their
training
for
their
certifications,
so
I
think
for
most
things
being
web-based
and
yeah
just
so
much
available
online.
I
think
that
the
hardware
requirements
would
not
be
that
high.
We
could
get
relatively
cheap
chromebooks,
maybe
a
bulk
discount.
A
A
We
can
definitely
roll
your
stuff
forward
to
the
next
one,
so
we're
making
sure
we're
given
all
those
suggestions
voice,
but
I
I
think
that
the
main
thing
would
be
to
identify
a
maybe
a
set
of
dris
who
are
willing
to
formalize
this
list
of
potential
vendors
for
education
programs
and
start
to
reach
out
to
them
and
learn
and
develop
contacts
and
stuff
like
that.
That
might
be
the
best
use
of
the
next
seven
days.
B
B
B
A
And
then
yeah,
I
think,
with
those
early
conversations
we'll
be
able
to
develop
some
criteria
like
we
talked
to
vendors,
I
think
we'll
become
opinionated
about
like
how
are
we
assessing
these
vendors?
Like
I
can't
even
say,
I
know
that
today,
but
once
we
get
have
a
few
introductory
conversations,
I
think
we'll
quickly
know.
Oh
this
one
only
works
in
the
state
of
florida.
We
clearly
need
to
have
a
vendor
that
has
a
more
global
footprint
or
something
like
that.
So
we
can
say
global
presence
would
be
one
criteria
or
something
like
that.
A
G
C
Yeah,
I
was
going
to
say:
I've
been
working
with
another
group
I
have
to.
I
was
literally
looking
at
my
slack.
There
is
a
spreadsheet
where
they
were
asking
just
for
some
general
conversations
that
I
might
have
had
or
betsy
might
have
had
who's
our
talent
brand
with
other
companies
for
partnerships
and
things
like
that
so
rebecca.
If
you're
going
to
be
leading
that
I
can
get
that
link
over
to
you
just
to
see,
you
know,
since
there
already
is
a
spreadsheet
in
existence,
so
we
won't
be
doing
the
same
work.
G
Yeah,
I'm
just
aware,
there's
so
many
other
similar
things
going
on
like
with
recruiting
but
yeah.
I
guess
I'm
okay
with.
I
wanted
to
make
sure
there
was
some
structure
in
place.
I
don't
want
to
like
go
it.
You
know
like
rogue
here
so
yeah
if
there's
something
to
start
with
and
without
duplicating
effort.
That's
really
important
as
well
for
us
here
so
yeah,
let's,
let's
connect
candace.
Thank
you.
A
It's
something
rebecca
to
consider
for
the
issue
or
we
collect
vendors
for
under
a
normal
vendor
process
who
actually
makes
that
make
that
a
confidential
issue
because
usually
there's
a
contract
at
stake
or
they
look
at
it
and
say:
hey,
I'm
being
carrier
compared
to
so-and-so
whatever.
So
a
relatively
rare
case
in
which
we
may
want
not
want
to
be
transparent
outside
the
company,
with
the
evaluation
process
and
stuff.
Unfortunately,.
E
D
E
E
Go
ahead,
robert
I'll
just
ask,
I
don't
feel
like
we
got
to
a
place,
we're
starting
the
vendor
look-up
process
like
we're,
not
at
the
point
of
identifying
how
we
even
want
to
approach
this
so
we're
pursuing
a
path
before
we've
explored
like
what
the
whole
program
means
and
there's
a
whole
lot
more
out
there.
So
I
feel,
like
that's,
really
premature,
like
putting
the
cart
before
literal
horse,
so.
A
We're
we're
over
time,
so
I
guess
we
could
get
an
async
discussion
going
on
that,
but
the
intention
rubber
was
to
you
know,
start
to
build
a
framework
through
the
starting.
The
bottoms
up
process
like
we
can't
do
a
top-down
process
right
now,
and
that
would
take
a
long
time.
But
if
we
start
the
bottoms
up
process,
I
think
we'll
become
opinionated
like
I
said
we
need
a
global
vendor.
A
We
need
ideally
one
with
students
ready,
ideally
one
with
curriculum
created,
like
that's
that's
at
least
a
sketch
of
a
way
to
evaluate
vendors,
but
I
think
that
framework
will
become
really
clear
from
those
initial
conversations.
So
I'm
not
I'm
not
I'm
not
worried
about
it.
Unless
rebecca
would
say,
she's
worried
about
it.
A
C
A
B
We
need
to
wrap
up,
but
I
I
think
we
maybe
just
say
that
you
know
putting
putting
an
initial
list
of
venus
down
doesn't
make
a
commitment
to
anything.
It's
literally
see
it
as
a
brainstorm
and
if
people
are
more
comfortable
just
doing
it
in
a
google
doc
to
make
it
more.
You
know
informal
as
a
brainstorm,
then
maybe
do
that.