GitLab Verify Group, 11 Feb 2019

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Discussing verify stage group direction

A

Like a team on the guitar.

B

I'm gonna start recording by the way.

B

We'll need to upload later by myself, having done to the cloud directly yet see how that undergoes. So, let's move on to the agenda I see. The first point is now taking on we're recording so reminisce you're. Your next point, yeah.

C

I, just I I missed last week's meeting. I noticed that my name was on that one item so I didn't know. If you have anything for me on it or as.

B

Far as I remember, I believe the previous one did or didn't know I did meet with Jason. We walked through the features a little bit, but everyone was looking quite well. So there was a very short meeting. I wouldn't say you miss anything particular I. Do some questions, though, which you perhaps may be able to answer on what has got chipped in 11.8.

B

So, for example, the dashboard feature I believe we missed it right or did it get in eventually, after all, yeah.

C

Dashboard we missed so that did not make it in it's. It's really close, so I'm fairly, pretty confident in 411 9, but between the issue of the badges it badges wasn't. Even the issue like taking that out, we still didn't make it like.

C

There was a bunch of backend stuff back end was still looking for a review and there was still some outstanding stuff on front end. I think Felipa and Scott got through the front end stuff, but I'm, not sure, okay, but the back end still was needing a review.

B

Then let's set a chip that in 1109.

C

Exactly yeah yeah yeah I announced that missed in the eleven nine kickoff slash that we would be shipping in 11 mine.

C

B

Picking the issue board or fair fire.

B

So any a particular item you want to discuss.

C

No, no I just saw that walk through that feature listed on the toufool and I just want anything you'd. Any input from me on the I'm not really up to speed on the web terminal stuff, but.

B

Yeah, oh yeah, better said that is a question more, as in I saw that issue. Let me look it up terminal.

B

This 411 evade its man, I.

C

Missed it was 411 9, but it missed 11 nines capacity planning to so. It's 11 10 currently scheduled okay.

B

So my question there was towards Jason is that you know the issue was around enabling terminals for the web, IDE and I thought you know maybe side when work when I work with James Ramsey on the web IDE, we often did like walkthrough of the feature or the entire flow, and as we were now enabling a big new part of the web ID, you know the terminal I thought it might be interesting for us to be able to get a walkthrough by Megan ear that walks us through the feature as how it's designed and developed and no--perhaps check on.

B

If it's working as as it should be, and you know, notes and shut that and yeah.

C

I think that makes sense I mean this feature right. Yeah I mean the feature was shipped in 11 3 right like the feature of an interactive web terminal yeah. The idea of this I mean I I totally want to work walkthrough of it too. So I think that still makes sense.

C

This issue is to enable that on gitlab comm, so it's not adding anything to the feature. True, it's mostly back at backstage work or how we're going to securely enable a drum calm but yeah I mean I, think I think there'd be value and walking through that feature. When we get to it, it's not going to be this release. It's gonna be 11:10 but I agree.

C

Okay, probably not it's, probably not an Alan thing for anybody on verify at least so I.

B

Hope it's gonna, be I, mean I played it up with code. Sandbox and I was the other thing called rep Lee repli'd.

C

B

Yeah and there's an there's another one, I can currently think of the name, but they have working docker containers as well, which you can run code live as your coding works. Pretty nice, I gotta say it's nice to to be able to do that, and to do it that easily and I wonder how we're comparing in that sense, yeah.

C

Yeah I mean I get that's it's tough.

B

I mean multiple is perhaps perhaps not the maturity stage for yet aiming for it, but or is it yeah I'm, not sure no.

C

I mean well, so this is a weird one, because it kind of spans two stages right because yeah, it's heavy, it's heavy on the Korean side too, but yeah I mean I, think we're iterating towards something pretty amazing. I know create, was working on syncing the environment with what's in the web, IDE like that's, gonna, be game-changing and enable us to do a lot of way, cooler stuff once and once that's working because then you really will have the ability to like have this like running version of your app.

C

That is also connected to your web IDE.

C

But that's gonna, be slick.

B

Awesome, let me see so, let's get back to milestone. 11.

B

Let me see so one of the issues that perhaps it's nice to discuss and I will share my share. My screen sitter should do that.

B

You are able to see my screen right, I.

D

Can yep alright so.

B

We got this cross project turgon by MVC issue, which basically makes it so right that we are, you know we're able to get triggered by a project as soon as it's done, but be able to define that in the receiving project right the downstream correct- and let me see I asked some questions downstairs, see that you answered I'll read a little bit. I basically agree with me, so that's nice, yeah I was mainly wondering, like hey I, believe we already have everything in place for this.

B

Do we absolutely need something extra, because I think we can keep this small as is, and it's raid, if needed,.

C

Yeah I confirmed I put it like a demo app together. Nice I put a little demo app together just for this and like because we're doing a lot with triggered upstream downstream the recursive expanding the idea. So I've got like a little demo app for a bunch of those things and yeah. So I confirmed that you're right, I think there's no front end. That's needed at this point.

C

Yeah I I, don't think, there's anything. We need to do with that. One yeah.

B

Sounds good see this one has been added the proof stuff pipeline model that wasn't there before, but we'll see to it. Yeah.

C

I think that's relative to you know having new to the team as to you know not having I John had asked me to find some like us, UI Polish level, things that would have an impact that she could work on to get familiar with the good days.

B

C

This was one of them.

C

It's already looming polish. Oh it.

B

Got removed to polish, oh wait: it is already I'd, see fellowship alright, nice we'll get to that. That shouldn't be too big of a thing. Some protection of CI variables that is in the logs I'll, get it to that as soon as possible, as well yeah.

B

Mainly my main point towards this currently is that it's you know it's it's in progress, island too much discuss right now in terms of that I hope to make big progress and that this week, so that next week, ultimately engineering has everything they need to get started working on it, yeah.

C

That'll be good, there were some questions that Camille had in there that that might be worth your eyes on him as well.

C

Some concerns Camille had about implementing it so and.

B

That was for the for the Civil.

C

Protection yeah.

B

All right, I'll, look into that great thanks sounds good, so potential for possible us research points right, yeah! That's the question! Yeah.

C

And I feel like I was trying to find this before the mean and I couldn't find I feel like I might have tagged. You in the one I went through and did a lot of issue like review last week, just like literally going through and trying to get like a handle on the corpus of issues that are in verifying I feel like there was one I'm gonna tag you on and of course, I did that and now I can't find my so I had been talking with Sarah when she was interim, like UX manager, director.

C

Whatever what have you I said: hey once you're back to research I, definitely, you know want to figure out how that all works and propose something, etc, etc, etc. So I just wanted to bring it up in this meeting. I don't have anything specific to talk about, but I think had something burning in your mind, yeah.

B

I think just my first thoughts towards this would be. Are there any categories that are targeting lovable in inside verify, currently mm-hmm for those.

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B

Would be very valuable to get you know, metrics that are correct and perhaps do you know qualitative interviews, get people through out the flow and see what they notice it's true, because that hasn't been done for for a while yeah yeah.

B

Apart from that, I think the potential for a interactive catalepsy imo editor, which can sort of help compete with getup actions and kind of thing. I wonder you know, as that is you know, starting out. I would say like if the best potential action we have there is no just just get it. Get the ball rolling. I, don't say us. Research would be very valuable from you know from start, because we know kind of what we want. But if we want that to you know, get get that down right.

B

You know after some iterations, then you know something like that becomes very well also them yeah.

C

That makes sense: okay, great.

B

Yeah, it would be interesting to see what Sarah has to say it's as well on that Sarah Donna, no.

C

I'm gonna get together with her I. Just haven't done yet so show my list of folks to me. Post transition.

C

D

Are just there's a there's.

C

This big epic that I like because it organizes a lot of UX stuff but I, think we put it together like a few months ago, because it like talks about a lot of 10 releases and so basically but I. You were kind of owning it.

C

I kind of am itching to like reorganize it and like maybe make a couple like maybe make a overall epic with some some like iterations, underneath it so basically I just kind of want permission that, if I pull issues out of this epic, are you gonna? Is that a problem or no.

B

Not a problem at all, I would say the intention with this issue was.

B

It was originally apparently created by me once in and once once once ago, while ago, but the intention and and was known to do, a assessment of the current capabilities and flows of the verify or CI Sin City back, then you know it's not just verifying believe you lost you I to be honest when looking at this again right now, I would rather see this as doing this per category instead of having an overall ethic that kind of touches on a little bit of everything, yeah.

B

That would be very much more focused and we have a you know. We could cater it towards the maturity stage that those categories are in, but that is my opinion here. I would I would be fine with closing this, and you know starting a new epoch all over again. That would be much more productive.

C

All right, great yeah I mean it's gonna, be in my backlog to do that, but I just kind of wanted to talk about it before I did it so. Okay,.

B

Sounds good and then next our 11.8 release, post items.

C

Yeah you just had asked about them and I yeah I should have added those in I just this morning. Added in the two items. One is the Toleration x' for kubernetes executors.

C

It's right there, it's on the left there, oh wow, you like.

B

A few buttons look: what happens? It's gone again, okay. What is up with this.

C

Okay, yes, so this is, it was a community contribution and it's pretty complex thing to try and explain, especially if you don't know, Cabernets really well, but I tried to.

C

B

Interesting native support retains in coloration is given anything exact there in get Lebrun to support these types of workflows, that's pretty nice and then the other one was on cross project trigger ability, of course, yeah.

C

That one is up higher and I didn't have a great picture for it, but I stole a just. A general cross product trigger yeah.

B

It's it's nice that we now natively capable of getting cross project pipelines running. You know in more way, more easier format. You.

C

B

Think that a know enables a lot more people. That's nice I like getting going through those points by the way I don't know if- and this would perhaps be a good point to discuss next, although Coriana isn't here.

B

Thank you. Dedication.

B

So this this point will perhaps be better discussed next time, but I believe it might be time now that there's dedicated verifying that akkada released group, you know to to split up and just take one for each doesn't really matter too much to me, I would say: release is very much something that I'd like to work on, but verify has its upsides as well.

B

Right like it's, it's it's our choice, but I think this is a great to be to discuss next time and you know get a dedicated to excerpt for both of these state troops. I.

B

Know that Rihanna is coming back tomorrow as she is returning from a conference in America yeah and then she once again be available. So that's nice, all right! That's that's it from me. Are there any points from you or.

C

No I think I have anything else.

B

To you, Kelly had some points you wanted to discuss this. Maybe no.

A

I actually was looking at team meetings and saw this and I didn't look at the complete final about UX, but but it was interesting to listen to and I like to cross across far as I turn. So that's pretty cool.

B

Yeah I agree they're interesting.

C

I got coming up: yeah I've got I've, got two epics Kelly that you might contribute to or Dimitri to so like I I'm kind of overriding the word lovable, but that's okay, I, don't care! Marc can get mad at me, but I've got one for making micro services one for making kind of different things right, so I think for micro services. A lot of this stuff, we're doing with cross project trigger and being able to see pipelines up and down stream. They're gonna be critical for mono repos.

C

A lot of like the only changes stuff is a small step in the right direction, but there's a lot of stuff want to do so. If you take a look at if you.

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A

Yeah I mean it.

C

Should be listed yeah, so I've got. If you look at I've got I kind of reorganized into three.

C

What I'm, calling North Stars right, that's inspired by release, has some North Stars, but basically under loveable solutions to complex problems. I actually tried to make the argument, but I got shot down that CI isn't loveable. Yet we list the eyes I. Think it's partially from a marketing standpoint anyway. I've got to make CI lovable Perrin epic I would I would I would have to venture to say mix. Cd lovable CI actually seems pretty decent yeah. Well, CD is and CD is released right. We call that release. So that's.

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B

I was saying: what are your plans with a better supporting mono rebels.

C

So I don't have a great vision there, yet part of it is. You know that I think that the the dag and multiple pipelines in multiple files is going to be a step in the right direction. So I don't know that I have like the big long-term vision for mono repos down perfectly yeah I actually am building my own mono repo to then go trying to play it with get lab CI to them like learn like what stinks and doesn't doesn't work. Well, I've, never done like a large-scale, well I'll.

C

I I had a big mana repo back in the day, but it was an SVN and it was a language that that, and so like I want to play with a more real-world mono repo in get lab. So I've got that I've got got a uh there's. A group on get loud called Brendon demo Brendon ball.

C

That has a picture of that science dog that says, I have no idea what I'm doing that's, where I'm like playing with a lot of this stuff. So nice.

B

I know where James Ramsey has also been playing around with the chromium repository, which is ugly kind of a mana rep. Oh yes, I.

C

Mean I should talk.

B

To my me, yeah moderate.

C

Moderate but there harder problems to solve on the good side, yeah.

A

I guess one of these I would be curious about Brendon since since either your ear right now is how close are we on getting balled up and running if I'm looking back and it looks, it looks like right now, it's all in love, in fact, yeah.

C

It's it's it's one of my price, so there's an epic actually for that too. Yep.

A

I'm looking at it and that.

C

Epic kind of shows like the next things, because, because part of what we're gonna consider in the long-term vision for that is bundling full with gitlab yeah yeah, which honestly is something Sid wants to see happen which doesn't mean. It definitely happens because it said, but it means taking it pretty seriously. Yeah so that that epic.

C

A

Sorry, go ahead, keep wondering in the rough. You know.

C

And then there's a community, then there's a community contribution from Splunk. Actually, oh well, yeah, that's that's fine I mean if some luck today, but where they have kind of a thing. They called it.

C

The identity API where they're having this ability to eject variables from an external generic external API source, so that kind of like a generalized vault integration, in the sense that now once you have that you can then inject variables with full understood up, which is great and we're trying to accept that we it's just it's a massive security question mark and a bunch of it's just a lot of code and a lot of a lot to review and we're working and we've been having a hard time, but we're working with them on that and Steve's been on the phone with them even like we're trying and but then that's great and I, think we should do I.

C

Think that would also allow you to then integrate like like AWS kms fools like through that same method, but then the next step after that, so I want to get that goony contribution. But then, right after that, I want to say: okay, but how can we make vault a first-class integration? Not I mean super generalized thing, yeah.

A

It's so almost a sense. It's almost like Italy with.

C

With respect to fall systems, it's an abstraction layer right exactly, that's that's what how I'm thinking about it but like we just have not had like really put the engineering behind it. This windows executor. Well, so two things happen right the end. We lost two releases, two security issues completely physically and then this windows executor has taken a release and a half longer than we thought it would and that's got a customer behind it. Who's very.