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Runner and author, Amby Burfoot, stops by the Groton Public Library to discuss his new book "First Ladies of Running: 22 Inspiring Profiles of the Rebels, Rule Breakers, and Visionaries Who Changed the Sport Forever". Also featured is groundbreaking runner, Julia Chase-Brand, who discusses her early experiences as a female runner.
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
coming
out.
I
haven't
done
this
before,
but
I
thought.
Maybe
I
should
give
you
a
a
big
timeline
of
the
period.
The
book
doesn't
cover
all
of
this
period,
but
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
these
things.
I
won't
read
through
everything
now,
but
we
kind
of
start
with
the
28th
Olympics
and
then,
when
some
women
start
running
in
the
50s
and
we
go
through
John
Binoy
and
Oprah
Winfrey,
so
I've
got
a
slide,
show
to
show
you
we'll
go
through
it.
So
this
is
the
Sports
Illustrated.
A
First
sportsman
of
the
year
cover
the
end
of
the
year.
In
1954
it
was
Roger
Bannister
and
out
in
chardon
ohio.
There
was
a
little
farm
girl
who
thought
I
want
to
be
a
great
miler
like
Glen
Cunningham,
West
fan,
santi,
Roger,
Bannister
and
everyone
else.
She
knew
about
all
these
great
guys.
She
wanted
to
do
it
herself.
A
Of
course
she
wasn't
allowed
to,
because
at
the
1928
Olympics
in
Amsterdam
they
did
have
a
half
mile
race
for
women
and
at
the
end
of
that
race,
as
sometimes
happens
when
you
run
your
guts
out
for
800
meters,
you
look
a
little
sweaty
and
tired
and
bedraggled
at
the
end
and
the
Olympic
officials,
and
especially
the
media,
witnessing
the
disgusting
sight
of
tired
women
decided.
It
was
a
very,
very
bad
thing,
and
so
they
promptly
banned
women
from
running
the
800
meters,
which
is
two
laps
of
the
track.
A
As
many
of
you
know,
for
the
next
30
or
40
years,
the
longest
race
for
women
on
the
track
in
the
Olympics
was
200
meters,
which
is
a
half
a
lap,
not
even
two
laps
around,
not
a
great
photo
of
grace
butcher,
but
you
can
see
that
she
had
a
strong,
smooth
stride,
no
doubt
with
a
stride
and
her
intellect
and
toughness
and
grit,
she
could
have
been
a
great
miler
or
just
about
anything
she
wanted
to
be
again.
This
is
the
farm
girl
in
chardon,
ohio
1958.
She
won
the
first
time.
A
There
was
finally
an
800
meters
for
women.
She
was
the
winner,
winner
of
it,
and
an
ex
mission
at
the
58th
National
Track
Championships,
which
was
the
first
time
a
number
of
women
in
this
country
got
drift
of
the
fact
that
there
would
be
an
Olympic
race
for
them.
Finally,
two
years
later
in
nineteen
sixty
there
had
been
nothing
since
1928.
Now
there
was
going
to
be
a
race
in
1960
that
they
could
run
in.
So
the
women
got
very
excited
about
that.
A
I'd
love
to
just
show
this
picture
in
the
text
about
grace,
because,
in
addition
to
being
a
great
runner,
she
was
a
writer,
a
horseback
rider.
A
motorcyclist
published
a
feature
story
in
Sports
Illustrated
about
a
solo
camping
trip
on
her
motorcycle
that
she
made
in
the
1970s
by
herself
and
obviously
strong
brave,
independent,
yeah,
I
think
so
like
many
of
the
other
women
in
the
rate
in
the
book.
First,
ladies,
this
is
the
actual
finish
of
the
important
1960
Olympic
track
trials.
800
in
Abilene
Texas.
A
Lovelace
was
second
in
this
race
and
Julia
chase
brand
who's
with
us
was
in
the
first
round
of
the
race,
didn't
qualify
for
the
finals,
but
was
there
in
aveline
in
1960,
which
was
a
pivotal
race
for
the
woman.
This
is
Pat
the
winner.
Four
years
later
she
really
hated
the
half-mile.
It
was
totally
not
her
event.
A
This
is
another
dream
runner
who
had
far
far
too
few
opportunity
he's
in
her
day.
Doris
brown
Heritage
also
got
to
go
to
that.
1960
Olympic
track
trials
race
in
Abilene.
She
finished
third
in
the
race
she.
If
she
had
been
born
12
16
years
later,
she
would
have
been
Joan
Binoy.
She
could
run
anything.
She
was
incredibly
talented
at
all
distances
and
had
the
passion,
fire
and
discipline
that
it
took.
This
is
what
women's
running
really
looked
like
in
1960,
a
natural
Pat
really
looked
like
up
close
just
a
slant.
A
I
said
Pat
I
meant
Doris.
This
is
Doris
finally
allowed
to
run
a
race
more
her
distance,
which
is
the
cross
country
championship.
There
was
something
called
the
International
cross
country
championship.
It
was
maybe
two
and
a
half
miles
Julia,
something
like
that
4k
or
something
but
much
longer
than
the
short
track
race.
Is
she
wanted
five
years
in
a
row
as
I
said
she
could
she
can
really
run
the
distances.
A
She
tells
him
it's
completely
impossible,
because
her
team
has
a
meet
that
day.
The
team
has
a
meet
on
Saturday.
It's
a
cross
country
meet,
they
probably
drive
four
hours,
someplace
in
Washington
state
run
the
meat
drive
back,
etc.
New
York
City
Marathon,
is
the
next
morning
in
in
New
York.
It
ain't
going
to
happen.
Fred
calls
three
or
four
times
and
finally
Dora
said:
well,
you
know
I
had
them
thinking.
A
It
would
be
possible
for
me
to
take
a
red-eye
flight
from
Seattle
land
in
New
York
at
seven
o'clock
in
the
morning
and
then
run
your
marathon
two
hours
later
Fred
said
sure,
come
on.
She
actually
did
that
took
the
red-eye
flight
from
Seattle
finished,
second
in
the
marathon
to
Mickey,
Gorman
and
then
in
typical
Doris
fashion,
because
she
is
probably
the
humblest
of
the
humble
crowd
and
they're
all
incredibly
humble
afterwards
at
the
press
conference.
Is
she
just
apologized
profusely
for
the
fact
that
she
didn't
run
faster
and
give
Mickey
Gorman
more
competition?
A
This
is
Judy
Shapiro
Eikenberry,
also
in
that
epical
race
in
1960.
She
finished
fifth,
here
she's
running
a
decade
later
in
a
marathon
in
Germany.
The
interesting
part
of
her
story
is
that,
14
years
after
running
the
half
mile,
which
the
distance
runners
is
considered
a
short
distance
right,
it's
not
one
of
the
longer
distances.
14
years
later
in
1974,
the
national
AAU
finally
decides
to
organize
the
first
marathon
for
women.
So
now
we're
up
there
at
the
serious
marathon
distance
and
Judy
wins
that
race
shows
she
was
in
the
race
in
1960.
A
She
won
the
first
official
National
Women's
Championship
marathon
14
years
later,
and
this
is
how
she
traveled
road
trip.
She
traveled
from
Southern
California
in
1960,
from
Los
Angeles
to
Abilene
Texas
in
the
back
of
her
family's
station
wagon
I
forget
how
many
hours
it
took,
but
it
was
not
glamorous
in
any
way
shape
or
form,
but
that's
what
everybody
did
back
then.
A
Now
we
come
to
Julia,
who
is
with
us
this
evening
a
few
years
ago,
but
basically
looking
about
the
same
and
so
Julia
ran
the
race
in
1960
in
Abilene,
Texas
I
keep
referring
to
it
that
fall.
She
went
with
John,
Kelly
and
other
local
runners
to
the
famous
Manchester
race
outside
of
hartford
and
said
you
know
how
about
it.
I
want
to.
Let
me
in
I
can
do
this
and
they
gave
her
a
lot
of
crap
and
read
her
the
rules
and
said
you
can't
do
this.
A
It's
against
all
sorts
of
regulations,
we're
not
going
to
let
you
run,
but
I'll.
Tell
you
what
maybe,
if
you
enter
really
early
next
year
in
1961-
and
you
know,
if
you're
a
nice
sweet,
well-behaved
little
girl
come
back
in
a
year,
maybe
we'll
let
you
run
a
year
later.
She
does
all
of
those
things.
She
comes
back
in
a
year
now
it's
1961
and
she
gets
the
same
crap
from
the
race.
Official.
Sorry
can't
run
it's
against
the
rules
that
would
endanger
all
the
men
in
the
race.
A
There
was
this
stupid
rule
called
called
contamination.
It
was
like
getting
asian
flu.
Its
spread.
Women
were
in
the
race
that
all
the
men
got
sick,
so
they
were
told.
You
know
sorry
thanks
for
showing
up
can't
do
it
this
time,
she's
like
okay
I'm,
not
not
going
to
be
a
nice
girl
anymore.
The
bunch
of
the
fat
officials
joined
arms
and
stood
in
the
road
in
front
of
her
and
two
other
women
who
showed
up
and
she
was
like
yeah
good.
A
A
So
it
was
a
very
important
date,
I
like
to
show
this
picture
of
Julia,
because,
in
addition
to
being
a
great
runner
and
many
other
things,
she's
an
astonishing
academic,
she
got
her
PhD
in
zoology
and
here
she's
teaching,
kids,
some
incredibly
important
stuff
about
white
mice
or
rats.
I
don't
think
I
know
the
difference.
A
To
this
day
and
I
know
many
of
the
other
women
in
the
book
had
equally
as
impressive
academic
and
career
and
all
sorts
of
successes
in
many
many
different
fields
and,
of
course,
50
years
after
first
running
the
Manchester
Road
race,
Julia
went
back
in
nineteen
in
2011
wearing
the
very
same
gym
tunic
from
Smith
College
and
completed
the
race
that
day.
In
fact,
I
ran
with
her
that
day
it
was
a
nice
day.
We
had
a
wonderful
time
out
there
and
she
ran
a
very
respectable
11
minute
pace.
A
As
I
recall,
this
is
we've
gone
just
back
a
couple
of
years.
Well,
this
is
just
after
Julius
early
days.
This
is
actually
the
first
American
woman
to
run
a
marathon.
Her
name
was
Mary
leper
and
you
can
see
she
didn't
have
any
appropriate
running
a
tire
of
any
kind
where
she
ran
this
marathon
in
December
of
1963
in
Culver,
City
she's
received
almost
no
attention
whatsoever
through
the
history
of
women's
running,
because
this
was
kind
of
her
one
big
race,
very
successful,
13
37
is
very
impressive.
A
This
is
a
more
famous
woman,
runner
marathoner
named
Bobby
Gibb.
This
spring
we
celebrated
the
50th
anniversary
of
her
1966
run
in
the
Boston
Marathon
she
sent
in
an
entry
blank.
They
said
no,
no
just
like
Julia.
You
can't
run
it
against
all
the
rules.
You
contaminate
all
the
men,
there's
all
kinds
of
problems.
We
don't
want
you.
A
She
took
a
bus
from
San,
Diego
California,
three
and
a
half
days
to
Boston
got
to
Boston
the
night
before
talked
her
mother
into
driving
her
to
the
stark
she's
wearing
her
brother's,
not
very
well
fitting
Bermuda
shorts
and
a
bathing
suit.
Top
hid
in
the
bushes
was
afraid,
literally
that
the
police
would
arrest
her
I
mean
if
they
don't
let
women
run.
If
it's
illegal,
maybe
they
throw
you
in
jail.
A
She
didn't
know
nobody
knew
she
crept
out
into
the
race
started
running
the
guys
were
all
thrilled
to
see
her
we're
always
thrilled
to
see
women
out
there.
As
I
said
you
know,
when
I
was
young,
I
was
a
skinny
nerdy
stupid-looking,
you
know
geek
and
you
know,
have
some
women
join
us
on
the
starting
lines
who
wouldn't
want
that
so
bobby
was
incredibly
charismatic
in
a
number
of
ways,
a
beautiful
runner
in
all
the
meanings
of
that
word.
A
This
is
one
of
my
favorite
photos.
This
is
Bobby
at
the
25
mile
mark.
For
those
of
you
who
know
the
Boston
course
the
vehicle
next
to
her
is
what
we
used
to
call.
The
meat
wagon
is
the
guys
who
have
dropped
out
in
there.
You
know
they're
in
the
meat
wagon
getting
taken
to
the
finish
line
in
a
car
and
suddenly
someone
says:
hey,
there's
a
girl
out
there
and
they're
all
lifting
their
heads.
A
They
can't
believe
it
no
doubt
feeling
very,
very
chagrined
that
not
only
did
they
drop
out,
but
they
dropped
out
in
a
year
when
a
girl
was
going
to
run,
so
they
got
beaten
several
times
over
by
Bobby.
That
day
and
again,
you
just
see
how
good
she
looks
running
down
the
road
there
like
she
could
go
for
ever.
This
is
the
famous
event
of
the
next
year
nineteen
sixty
seven
when
Katherine
Switzer
was
attacked
on
the
course
by
jock
Semple,
the
Boston
official
same
thing.
Women
can't
run
officially.
A
If
they
do
all
hell
will
break
loose
and
the
world
will
come
to
an
end
and
various
things
like
that.
I
think
it
is
worth
noting
that
he
is
not
trying
to
attack,
maim
or
harm
Katherine.
He
just
wants
the
darn
number
so
that
she
can't
say
that
she's,
an
official
runner
or
that
there
had
been
in
a
woman
runner
who
looked
official
in
the
race.
Finally,
in
teen
72,
the
Boston
Marathon
officials
and
the
rest
of
the
world,
all
the
people
who've
been
saying.
No
all
these
years
to
women
runners
finally
say
why
not.
A
We
can't
find
any
reason
why
women
duh
I
can't
run
marathons
if
they're
silly
enough
to
want
to
run
26
miles
and
give
blisters
and
sweaty,
and
all
of
that
let
him
go
so.
These
are
the
first
women
running
with
official
Boston
Marathon
numbers
in
1972,
the
eventual
winner,
Nina
cucak
is
f2
on
the
left.
A
Katherine
Switzer
is
f6
and
the
one
on
the
right
is
Sarah
Mae
Berman,
who
won
three
times,
69
70
and
71,
and
hasn't
gotten
a
lot
of
attention,
because
she's
sort
of
sandwiched
in
between
the
early
famous
ones
and
the
later
famous
ones,
but
she
was,
and
her
husband
were
very,
very
instrumental
in
women's
running
in
the
Boston
area
and
Sarah
was
an
outstanding.
Is
that
I'm
standing
runner
herself
they're
still
doing
Nordic
skiing
cross-country,
races,
I
like
this
picture?
This
is
a
solitary
Hoosier
I.
A
Just
make
note
of
the
fact
that
she's
a
Hoosier,
because
the
middle
of
the
country,
aside
from
grace,
butcher
the
chardon
ohio
girl,
the
middle
of
the
country,
is
not
where
you
find
a
lot
of
athletic
activity
for
girls
or
women.
It's
not
where
there
are
many
opportunities.
So
Cheryl
pedlow
starts
running
in
the
mid
sixties.
A
coach
talks
her
into
going
to
a
national
cross-country
race
in
Boston
she's,
so
nervous
and
scared
that
she's
going
to
finish
last.
A
She
tried
practically
talked
to
the
coach
into
taking
her
home
before
the
race
gets
started,
but
she
does
run
it.
She
finished
his
seventh
or
so
in
a
national
women's
race,
which
is
a
wonderful
performance
of
course,
and
four
years
later,
as
Cheryl
bridges,
she
becomes
the
first
woman
to
break
250
in
the
marathon
out
in
Los
Angeles.
So
she
was
tremendously
accomplished
on
in
her
own
right
now,
she's
known
for
the
fact
that
her
daughter
shalane
has
just
made
her
fourth
consecutive
US
Olympic
team,
second
time
in
the
marathon.
A
So
it's
a
wonderful
thing
that
we
did
let
Cheryl
pedlow
run
and
she
went
on
and
had
this
daughter
who
has
been
the
top
American
runner
for
the
last
decade.
One
other
story
about
Cheryl,
that's
fun
to
tell
when
she
was
running
in
high
school
in
Indianapolis
Indiana.
It
created
quite
a
sensation
to
the
point
that
the
Board
of
Education
decided
that
they
needed
to
intervene.
They
had
to
hold
a
meeting
that
had
to
discuss
the
fact
that
there
was
this
girl
running
laps
around
the
track
and
the
buildings
near
India,
Indianapolis
Indiana
high
school.
A
What
should
we
do
about
this
one?
What's
the
right
thing,
they
finally
decided
that
it
was
totally
fine
for
Cheryl
to
run
her
laps
around
the
school
buildings
that
had
a
fairly
ample
canvas
campus.
As
long
as
she
kept
out
of
sight
of
the
boys,
she
couldn't
go
anywhere
near
where
the
boys
were
because
she
would
be
too
distracting
to
them,
and
you
know
how
important
it
was
for
the
boys
to
concentrate
on
their
sports
and
be
successful
at
everything
they
did.
So
she
had
sort
of
stay
in
the
shadows
until
her
time
came.
A
B
A
No
slow
down
it's
too
world.
It's
too
early.
You
got
going
to
run
23
miles
by
yourself.
She'd
had
knee
surgery
just
before
the
olympic
marathon
trials
that
she
had
to
run
in
the
US
every
other
country,
almost
every
other
country
on
Earth.
The
system
for
picking
the
Olympic
team
is
different
than
it
is
here.
A
The
system
elsewhere
is
okay,
you're,
the
best
runner
and
you're
the
second-best
and
you're
the
third
best,
and
we
all-
we
all
know
that
so
you
three
are
going
to
the
Olympics
and
it's
based
on
your
performances
over
the
last
three
or
four
years,
plus
showing
that
you're
still
in
good
shape
in
2016
or
whatever
the
Olympic
year
is
in
the
United
States,
no
matter
whether
your
name
is
John
monoid
or
Carl,
Lewis
or
whoever
it
is
now.
Your
reputation
is
worth
noting.
A
You
have
to
show
up
at
the
Olympic
Trials
on
race
day
and
finish
in
the
top
three
on
that
particular
day,
and
it's
not
easy
to
do
when
you've
had
knee
surgery
17
days
earlier,
but
that
was
the
case
with
Joan.
She
made
it
through
the
trials
and
came
back
and
just
destroyed.
Everyone
I
had
the
incredible
fortune
to
run
Oprah
Winfrey's
marathon
she's
only
run
one
I
was
there.
I
was
the
editor
of
runners,
world
magazine,
I
thought.
A
Well,
if
Oprah
Winfrey's
running
and
I'm
the
editor
of
runners,
world
magazine
and
she's,
the
most
famous
person
who's
ever
run
a
marathon,
then
I've
got
to
run
it
with
her,
be
able
to
write
a
story
about
it,
because
our
readers
will
be
potentially
interested
in
it.
She
was
surrounded
by
National
Enquirer
reporters
in
red
National
Enquirer
had
five
or
six
photographers
on
bicycles,
following
on
motorcycles,
following
her
every
inch
of
the
way,
hoping
that
some
disaster
would
befall
her
and
they
could
take
photos
and
sell
a
million
copies
of
National
Enquirer.
A
A
We
went
past
a
row
of
porta
potties,
which
they
have
on
the
courses
at
Meredith
on
an
Oprah
went
by
it
and
I
could
tell
by
the
way
she
looked
longingly
at
the
portage
humps
porta-potties
that
she
really
wanted
to
go
in
and
relieve
herself,
but
she
wasn't
going
to
give
the
National
Enquirer
photographers
the
opportunity
to
take
pictures
of
her
going
in
and
out
of
a
porta
potty.
The
other
thing
that
was
amazing
in
which
I
really
really
credit
her
with
is
first
of
all,
she
comes
from
a
completely
non
athletic
background.
A
There
have
been
virtually
no
african-american
women
marathoners
in
this
country,
the
weight
her
weight
problems
are
well-known
to
all
and
in
this
race
the
newspaper
leaked
the
story
two
days
early,
so
there's
20,000
people
in
the
race.
Everybody
knows
that
Oprah's
around
them
somewhere
and
every
we're
all
running
down.
The
road
and
people
see
her.
The
runners
see
her
the
spectators
see
her.
A
So
she
could
no
longer
acknowledge
people,
but
she
kept
on
trudging
along
she
held
her
pace
and
she
did
a
really
remarkable
job
of
it.
Afterwards,
we
put
her
on
the
cover
of
runners,
world
magazine
and
I
was
the
editor
at
the
time.
It
was
very,
very
nervous
about
this
cover.
You
won't
understand
it
now,
but
literally
among
runners,
world
readers,
there
were
zero
percent
of
african-american
women.
There.
A
We've
never
had
somebody
on
the
cover
who
had
been
a
former
overweight
or
whatever
you
want
to
say,
and
it
just
wasn't
clear
to
me
that
anybody
would
actually
buy
this
cover
of
the
magazine
turned
out
to
be
our
best-selling
cover
ever
on
newsstand
and
the
cover
line
message:
Oprah
did
it.
So
can
you
really
really
resonated
with
people
because
think
about
it
before
this?
A
Everyone
thought
that
to
be
a
marathoner,
you
had
to
look
like
me
or
look
like
joan
de
noite
win
the
olympic
marathon
and
most
of
us
know
we're
not
going
to
win
the
olympic
marathon
and
we're
not
that
light
much
like
Joan
Binoy.
So
we
if
she
runs
a
hundred
miles
a
week
that
doesn't
mean
we
should
run
a
hundred
miles
a
week
week
in
and
week
out,
but
then
Oprah
goes
out.
There
runs
the
marathon
doesn't
win.
A
At
the
time
it
was
probably
more
like
the
80th
percentile,
but
thanks
to
her
more
and
more
people
are
running
more
women
or
running
more
ethnic
women
are
running,
and
that
spreads
things
out
and
you
have
a
balance
of
fast
and
slow
runners
and
she
really
did
more
for
women's
running
I
think
than
anyone
ever
it's
worth
noting
that
Joan
won
the
Olympic
marathon
in
1984
and
Oprah
ran
it
in
1994,
and
the
women's
running
boom
has
all
happened
since
the
mid-90s
onward.
Nobody
can
prove
that
Oprah
was
the
cause
of
it.
A
Nobody
can
prove
anything.
We
don't
know
why
women
started
running
all
of
a
sudden
in
the
mid-1990s,
but
we
do
know
that
they
didn't
start
running
in
the
mid
1980s,
which
is
when
Joan
beloit
had
just
won
the
Olympic
marathon.
So
that,
in
short,
is
what
my
book
is
about.
I
want
to
make
one
more
acknowledgement,
and
that
is
courses
to
John
Kelly,
who
many
of
you
know
from
his
many
years
of
teaching
and
running
in
mystic
and
Groton.
This
this
is
an
old
photo,
is
appropriate
to
the
women's
photos.
I've
been
showing
you.
A
This
is
what
I
look
like
my
daughter
is
laughing.
This
is
what
knowing
land
road
running
looked
like
in
the
1960s,
when
most
of
the
races
were
held
in
a
I,
don't
know
a
high
school
locker
room
or
an
American,
Legion
home
or
some
place
filled
with
sour
beer
and
cigarette
smoke
is
what
I
remember
of
the
places
that
we
ran.
A
B
B
If
you
told
a
doctor
that
you
were
funny
I
said
you
said,
be
careful,
you
know
you
your
universe,
it
doesn't,
you
know,
think
of
a
lot.
I
had
a
doctor,
gynecologist
I
went
to
and
I
found
out
about
my
running
history,
and
he
said.
Oh,
so
you
must
be
half
male
right.
I
was
24
at
the
time
and
I
cried
all
afternoon.
It
was
like.
Oh,
it
was
just
astounding
how
people
are
believe
these
things
and
avatar
is
nice.
But
what
happened
about
banning
women
from
bunny?
It
wasn't
an
accident.
B
A
B
Or
Avery
Brundage
and
when
the
880
was
run,
it
was
a
good
tactical
ways.
I
can
show
you
the
footage
of
it,
but
when
I
was
growing
up,
they
told
me
what
the
footage
was.
It
was
these
women
when
they
all
collapsed
at
the
finish
line
and
they
were
agonized
big
bait.
It
was
a
terrible
disaster
and
none.
C
B
Happened,
nobody
felt
up
well,
one
person
fell
at
the
finish
line
and
got
my
dog
yambo
three
seconds
later
should
be
up
on
her
feet.
None
of
that
happened,
and
yet
the
New
York
Times
and
the
other
American
papers
and
one
english
paper
had
this
disaster
story,
and
there
were
photographs
of
these
disastrous
women
collapsing
on
the
finish
line.
They
weren't
women
who,
in
the
race
it
was
photoshopped
or
in.
D
B
You
did
in
the
old
days
they
were
actually
other
people's
pictures
that
they
chose
and
printed
and
up
until
the
nineteen
sixty
Olympic
Trials.
We
were
still
being
told
that
everybody
had
collapsed
five
years
ago,
I
retired
from
being
a
psychiatrist
and
back
at
it
now.
But
I
looked
up
all
my
old
friends
from
the
1960
olympic
trials,
because
I
was
really
curious.
What
had
happened
to
all
of
us
and
that's
what
some
of
andy's
information
comes
from
two
and
it
was
a
a
wild
set
of
lives.
We
all
live.
You.
B
Said
face:
Butcher
was
out
there
on
a
motorcycle,
riding
cow
columns
and
doing
poetry,
readings
and
you
know
all
kinds
of
crazy
stuff
and
and
the
whole
thing
authority.
The
1960
Olympic
Trials
I
had
run
my
first
race.
They
would
just
begin.
I've
run
my
first
race
two
weeks
before
the
Olympic
Trials.
Can
you
imagine
your
second
race?
Is
the
Olympic
Trials
and
everybody
had
a
crazy
story
of
door.
Sevenson
spent
a
week
on
a
train
to
get
there.
B
George
Terry
Johnny's
me
and
I
had
the
privilege
of
flying
down
on
a
plane
caught
fire
at
three
in
the
morning
and
had
to
do
an
emergency
landing
and,
and
so
I
mean
there
were
crazy
stories.
I
was
wearing
my
father's.
You
know
little
shorts
and
t-shirt.
There
were
no
shoes
for
women.
I
had
George
Terry's
shoes,
which
were
two
sizes
too
large
duct
taped
onto
my
feet,
come
on
the
Olympic
Trials
person
next
to
me,
was
50
years
old
and
had
a
gold
medal
on
a
silver
from
sprinting.
B
B
The
AAU,
the
National
Organization,
the
head
of
the
AAU,
took
me
aside
after
the
Life
magazine
article
and
said
Oh
Julia
you're,
so
pretty
you
see
grace
put
you
down
there.
She
used
to
be
pretty
too.
Unfortunately
long
distance
couldn't
tell
case
up
to
50
years.
I
finally
told
her
three
years
ago
and
she
roared
with
laughter
thought
it's
bacon,
but
that
was
the
level
of
it
all.
Yea.
B
On
here
was
was
a
little
bit
different
because
the
Olympic
boot
health
control
on
that
and
Avery
Brundage
held
control
of
the
AAU
for
50
years,
almost
from
28
to
six
teas
for
years,
and
he
had
a
particular
bee
in
his
bonnet.
You
know
he
was
somebody
who
wanted
to
marry
a
princess
and
did
it
really
hit
a
very,
very
old
school
in
swimming?
B
A
B
B
B
B
Co,
waste
canoe,
school,
2050,
Nasri
west
side,
but
so
Kelly
every
day
out
there
running
and
I,
just
I
just
became
incredible
fan
of
his
twelve
thirteen
fourteen
91
fallston
257.
He
named
his
eldest
daughter
after
me,
unbelievably
and
then
one
day,
I
running
the
tracks
and
should
come
along
by
kelly.
I
think
got
absolutely
tongue-tied
am
able
talk
up
eventually
did
talked
and
I
invited
invited
me
over
and
they
just
took
me
in
it's.
Okay,.
B
D
A
I
think
trickle
is
probably
the
right
word,
everything
trickled
down
and
all
the
people.
I
know
you
know.
We
talked
about
title
nine,
which
was
nineteen
seventy-two
and
we
assume
that
that
the
door
opened
then
the
floodgates
followed
and
when
I
talked
to
women
from
that
period
they
said
you
know
it
took
at
least
a
half
dozen
years
before
there
was
virtually
any
effect
from
title
nine
and
then
slowly
there
began
to
be
programs
that
they
could
aspire
to
and.
B
C
B
The
bottle-
and
so
yes
I,
think,
there's
a
tremendous
you
go
through
the
people
who
ran
in
1960.
You
have
more
PhDs
than
our
you
know
national
convention.
It's
just
amazing
how
many
people
really
went
on
in
interesting
things,
I
think
it
has
a
big
towel.
You
know,
if
you
do,
if
your
feet
around
and
you're
walking
like
this
very
robust
for
the
calcium
working
well.