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From YouTube: City of Groton Committee of the Whole - 11/28/22
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City of Groton, Connecticut municipal meeting: Committee of the Whole November 29, 2022.
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A
B
B
Thank
you,
Chief.
Okay,
first,
don't
worry.
The
mayor
will
be
back
for
the
next
meeting.
The
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
the
city
of
Groton
Brandon,
tagline
presentation
with
Miranda,
creative
and
Sierra
Patrick
is
here
to
answer
questions
as
well.
This
is
informing
only
there's
nothing
to
vote
on,
but
they
have
a
prepared
presentation.
Oh
counselor
Sheffield
has
joined
the
meeting.
E
B
That's
it:
okay!
Yes,
so
we're
gonna!
Try,
we're
gonna,
move
the
camera
right
clerk
to
come
so
we're
gonna,
move
the
camera
to
view
the
presentation.
So
if
we
can
have
the
council
hold
their
questions
to
the
end,
I
think
that
would
be
best
so
that
we
can
see
the
whole
presentation
in
the
on
the
TV
it'll
be
the
presentation
and
then
our
questions
will
move
the
camera
and
then
do
the
questions.
If
that
makes
sense,
all
right.
Take
it
away.
F
Am
I
live
okay,
hi
everyone?
My
name
is
Maria
Miranda
and
I'm
honored
to
be
here
this
evening,
I'm
from
a
firm
called
Miranda,
creative
and
by
way
of
introduction
we
are
a
35
year,
30
person
organization
located
in
the
Norwich
Town
area,
we're
going
to
be
providing
an
update.
Last
time
I
saw
you
was
about
maybe
six
months,
maybe
a
year
ago
talking
about
where
we
were
on
the
city
branding
share
with
you,
where
we
were
on
the
photo
shoots
sound
familiar
to
some
of
my
friends
here
tonight.
F
This
is
very
impressive
by
the
way.
Okay.
By
way
a
brief
introduction,
my
journey
with
you
began
in
2019
here
in
this
room.
Talking
about
what
your
strength
and
weaknesses
were
and
what
you
needed
for
an
aspect
within
a
brand
in
2020,
you
issued
a
RFP
document.
We
were
one
of
14
vendors
that
participated
in
the
RFP
and
then
two
years
that
followed,
we
went
through
and
coordinated
the
master
brand
for
the
city
related
to
the
seal
photo
shoots,
video
shoots
and
a
product
you
should
be
very,
very
proud
of.
F
It
is
your
Municipal
newsletter
that
gets
issued
out
on
a
regular
basis
out
to
the
community.
Everyone
here,
familiar
with
the
organization
called
kerma
karma,
is
one
of
the
clients
of
Miranda
creative
and
quite
often
your
newsletter
is
shared
as
an
example.
A
really
strong.
You
know
Community
Communications
that
go
out.
You
have
an
open
rate
of
over
43
percent
on
a
regular
basis
for
your
newsletter,
which
is
very
unusual.
F
F
Okay,
let's
talk
about
the
core
materials
that
we
produce
together
and
I
want
to
acknowledge,
Sierra
and
Dan,
who
are
our
partners
in
this
process
from
the
city
of
Groton,
we
have
105
quality
life
images
that
represent
your
community
that
are
available
to
you
for
using
on
your
website
for
your
newsletters
for
your
promotional
elements.
They
are
beautiful
images,
real
community
members
showing
all
aspects
of
quality
of
life,
including
your
safety
and
your
Shoreline
Beauty.
F
You
also
have
a
100
images
from
businesses
and
you
have
some
amazing
videos
that
have
been
created
as
well.
Unfortunately,
this
is
a
PDF,
but
you
will
be
getting
a
copy
of
this
presentation
and
you
will
be
able
to
have
some
links
to
see
some
of
the
videos
that
have
been
created
to
promote
your
community.
F
F
One
of
our
first
foundational
elements
that
we
addressed
following
the
photos
in
the
video
shoots
is:
we
went
through
and
created
a
very
comprehensive
brand
standards
for
the
city
seal,
the
main
business
version
of
your
brand,
your
fonts,
your
colors
Etc,
are
all
resolved.
So
if
someone
looks
at
that
seal
over
your
shoulder
and
they
want
to
order
a
shirt
or
something
or
whatever
it
may
be,
a
pen
Etc
all
their
colors
are
set
and
everything
is
continuous
throughout.
We
also
had
a
comprehensive
training.
When
do
we
do
that?
F
Okay,
so
we
have
the
city
brand
addressed
and
the
Gap
tonight
is
a
city
marketing.
That's
we're
going
to
be
speaking
about.
Okay,
let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
is
a
municipal
brand.
Okay,
it
has
five
aspects:
it
has
a
purpose,
an
expectation,
a
prospect
and
an
impact
and
I
have
some
examples
to
share
with
you.
You
know
a
municipal
tagline
is
not
to
be
confused
with
the
city
seal
right.
It's
meant
to
convey
Economic
Development
opportunities.
It's
meant
to
convey
an
affirmation
of
the
choice
why
you
chose
to
have
your
business
here.
F
Why
you
choose
to
live
here
and
also
to
invite
new
individuals
to
come
to
within
that
community?
It
should
be
authentic
and
something
that
can
be
adopted
and
adapted
by
everybody
within
that
community.
You
know
it's
expectations.
It
should
reflect
current
conditions,
realistic
future
as
well,
right
I'm
not
going
to
call
you
Paris
the
city
of
light
right.
That
is
not
what
is
authentic
or
realistic
for
you,
but
there
are
some
amazing
opportunities
within
your
city
that
your
brand
should
convey.
F
And
let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
process:
planning,
Discovery
feedback,
refinement,
deployment
and
measurement.
These
are
all
what
had
happened
over
the
course
of
this
past
year.
Okay,
under
planning,
it
should
be
very
effective,
again
adopted
and
adapted
and
should
be
with
you
for
a
minimum
of
a
period
of
five
years.
F
F
Here's
a
couple
of
examples:
this
is
the
clearly
you're
all
familiar
with
Amsterdam.
This
is
their
brand.
They
created
a
wonderful
iconic,
sculpture,
area,
signage
area
that
people
take
photographs
whenever
they
arrive
there
on
a
regular
basis.
It's
become
an
iconic
element,
as
you
can
imagine,
gets
carried
out
in
social
media.
Another
spaces
on
a
regular
basis
have
a
very
clear
black
and
red
color
palette,
Transportation
bags.
All
items
are
related
to
the
I,
am
Amsterdam
brand.
F
As
you
can
see,
Vancouver
chose
to
stack
their
logo
in
a
specific
way,
the
v-a-n-c-o-u-v-e-r
and
in
the
middle
it
creates
a
compass
element
and
they
use
that
Compass
element
to
say
in
this
Direction
find
the
Arts
in
this
direction
find
city
spaces,
and
they
use
that
to
convey
different
variables,
different
colors,
to
reflect
different
aspects
within
their
Community.
A
blue
might
be
the
Arts.
F
The
yellow
gold
might
be
the
business
district
and
here's
another
example
for
the
city
of
Melbourne,
where
they
created
a
master
M
logo,
and
they
have
a
series
of
variables
that
represent
different
aspects
within
the
community.
Discover
taste,
create
Dazzle,
Etc,
all
things
to
reflect
the
dynamic
aspect
of
this
community.
F
F
So
we
did
a
series
of
surveys
out
into
the
community
in
August
of
2021,
we
surveyed
over
200
residents,
and
we
asked
them
to
share
with
us
what
they
felt
the
strengths
were.
The
opportunities
were
within
your
community
and
therefore
the
brand
that
came
to
represent
you
would
be
reflective
of
those
things.
F
I
believe
I
saw
this
Chief
was
here,
you
stepped
out
for
a
moment.
We
asked
about
what
was
important
in
the
resources.
What
would
you
recommend
about
the
city?
What
was
your
leading
Factor
choosing
to
be
here?
How
long
have
you
lived
here
and
how
long
do
you
intend
to
remain
here?
We're
among
the
questions
that
we
ask
them
and
we
created,
like
a
little
simple,
wordal
graphic,
to
feature
some
of
the
elements
that
were
most
compelling
to
those
that
we
surveyed
right:
small,
friendly,
beautiful
historic,
convenient,
pretty
peaceful,
diverse,
safe?
F
These
were
all
phrases
that
came
forward
that
they
felt
reflected
and
they
wanted
the
brand
to
convey
about
this
community
key
to
it
were
the
larger.
The
word,
of
course,
the
more
dominant
it
was
in
the
results,
historic,
friendly,
beautiful,
safe
all
phrases.
They
felt
were
meaningful
about
the
city
of
Groton,
so
those
elements
went
forward
to
graphic
designers
and
the
committee
to
look
to
develop
visualizations
to
convey
that
and
a
tagline
that
would
pass
this
information
along
okay,
so
we
went
through
Discovery
and
development.
F
F
F
F
What
were
the
tagline
questions
that
we
asked?
Is
this
brand
unique
and
impactful?
Does
this
brand
best
reflect
our
community?
Can
this
brand
help
attract
investment
in
the
city
that
supports
economic
and
Community
Development?
Does
this
brand
speak
to
the
value
shared
by
our
residents?
Economic
Development
residents?
Is
it
reflective
of
the
community?
We
went
through
a
series
of
those
Brands
and
elements.
F
So
this
solution
in
the
middle
Groton
City
history
in
the
making
was
overall
the
most
popular
and
compelling
among
102
people
that
we
surveyed
about
the
choices
him
I
want
to
take
a
moment
because
you
might
be
asking
yourself
Groton
City.
Is
anyone
asking
themselves
that
a
little
bit
or
nope,
maybe
not
we're
Groton
City
surface
from,
is
from
a
number
of
applications
where
it
is
currently
happening?
I'm
sure
you
are
well
aware
of
the
signage
for
the
Department
of
Transport
dot
signage.
You
may
not
also
be
aware
that
they
are
happening.
F
It's
currently
being
used
by
the
day
as
a
standard
for
the
headlines
to
describe
activities
within
this
community
so
from
a
graphic
design
and
branding
standpoint.
When
looking
at
not
your
operational
brand,
but
your
marketing
brand.
We
look
for
examples
of
where
they're
being
used
and
where
they're
distilled
to
the
most
effective
application.
F
G
F
I'm
glad
to
hear
that,
thank
you
for
the
input
I
appreciate
the
reinforcement,
okay,
the
people
we
surveyed.
It
was
really
interesting
of
102
surveyed,
only
one
individual
questioned
and
not
even
then
against
it.
The
question
is
saying:
where
did
that
come
from
so
it
gave
us
an
indication
that
it
was
already
an
acceptable
phrase:
okay,
okay,
so
again,
City
business,
the
seal,
City
marketing
and
in
case
there's
anyone
as
curious,
there's
also
other
application
where
this
happens
nationally
south
of
Houston,
Soho
and
Chi-Town
for
Chicago
is
also
going
on
out.
There.
F
Okay,
finalized
Concepts,
let's
take
for
a
moment
to
absorb
a
bit
of
why
history
in
the
making
and
what
it
means
for
the
city
of
Groton
city
is
well
known
for
its
Rich
history
and
high-profile
landmarks,
in
the
words
of
Darius
Rucker
and
his
popular
song
of
that
same
title.
What
if
this
was
the
moment
a
chance
worth
taking
history
in
the
making?
The
city's
history
is
being
written
every
day
and
something
this
tagline
celebrates.
F
It
could
be
an
entrepreneur
making
their
first
dollar.
It
could
be
the
launch
of
a
highly
Advanced
nuclear
submarine.
It
could
be
a
family
moving
into
their
first
home,
a
child
taking
their
first
steps
as
a
tourist
on
our
beaches,
a
researcher
developing
a
drug
that
will
change
countless
lives.
A
student
moving
their
graduation
tassel
from
the
right
to
the
left.
F
So
visual
representation,
our
market
told
us
that
they
they
liked
where
we
were
going
with
honoring
the
iconic
symbol
within
your
brand.
They
were
not
that
crazy
about
the
yellow
and
its
application
for
visualization,
but
they
liked
other
aspects
of
it.
So
this
is
where
we
moved
to
for
our
visual
representation.
F
I'll
break
it
down
for
you
in
a
few
aspects
of
it.
The
the
historic
symbol
of
Fort
Griswold,
located
within
the
G
you'll,
see
later
on
that
this
gives
us
a
very
clean
takeaway
element
for
social
media,
Groton
City
or
the
city's
name
and
history
in
the
making
for
your
tagline.
This
is
how
it
appears
horizontally
and
how
it
might
appear
stacked
vertically.
F
F
Some
variables
for
it,
if
we
needed
just
a
text,
indication
say
on
a
pen
or
on
a
very
simple
ad
placement,
Groton
City
history
in
the
making.
It's
called
a
word
Mark.
If
we
wanted
to
just
use
an
icon
version,
let's
say
an
app
on
your
phone
or
a
social
media
icon
or
say
a
circular
element
on
a
hat
that
might
be
possible.
It
also
works
very
well
as
a
seal
variable
honoring,
the
Seal
of
your
current
branding.
F
From
a
ADA
compliance
standpoint,
the
contrast
in
letter
forms
are
very
strong
and
readable
by
all
Ada
design
elements
for
iconography
there
can
be
an
icon
core
to
the
city
to
its
brand.
Icons
could
be
developed
to
reflect
other
aspects
of
your
community
science
and
research,
Community
or
a
business
development
variable
on
it,
echoing
the
same
parent
brand
for
application
examples,
a
large
sign
or
a
billboard
might
look
something
like
this.
F
F
F
H
E
I
F
Color
sure
so
what
they
were
concerned
about
and
the
reactions
and
responses
were,
is
that
when
they
stepped
back
from
it,
they
couldn't
see
the
definition
of
the
side
of
the
okay
right
and
we
tried
to
bring
the
yellow
from
the
seal.
So
instead
we
went
for
the
green
element
to
to
count
to
respond
to
that
reaction.
Okay,.
I
B
F
B
The
base
I
can
see
that
I
just
like
to
me.
That
is
like
a
distracting
element.
Okay,
but
I
do
really
like
the
that
it's
round
I
like
that
idea
for,
like
hats
and
and
things
my
other
question
is
I
actually
had
a
resident.
The
other
day
ask
me
how
they
can
get
our
branded
like
merchandise,
that's
branded.
Do
we
have
a
plan
with
the
rollout
to
include
a
way
to
order
branded
items
for
residents
online
I
know
as
counselors
we
often
will
get
shirts
to
go.
B
E
Going
to
look
into
it
a
little
bit
further,
exactly
how
we
would
do
handle
ordering
or
things
or
if
it's
something
that
is
more
of
a
like
special
event
like
City
day
or
something
where
we
do
like
have
them
made,
but
then
have
them
available
at
certain
events,
but
that's
still
being
discussed
of
exactly
what
we
don't
really
have
like
a
sales
and
merchandise
support
for
that
internally.
So
we
have
to
look
at
that,
but
then
also
see
how
we
could
advertise
that
special
events.
B
A
B
Could
have
our
logo
information
available
to
them
to
take
those
orders?
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
if
that,
how
complicated
that
would
be,
but
that
if,
if
that
was
available,
then
it
would
take,
it
would
make
us
not
be
in
the
picture
of
that
ordering
it
would
just
be
on
the
company
which
I
would
assume
would
welcome
that
business,
but
that
would
be
easier
for
you
to
not
be
in
your
office
having
you
to
take
orders
or
your
department
I.
B
Don't
see
any
reason
why
that
would
be
complicated
to
put
that
on
on
a
vendor
to
say,
here's,
our
logos
and
if
any
residents
they
can
order
that
way
and
then
have
like
a
limited
list,
because,
obviously
you
don't
want
people
putting
The
Branding
on
just
anything.
So
maybe
we
could
say
like
hats
bags,
whatever
the
list
of
things
we
want
to
be
publicly
available,
it's
like
pre-approved.
B
I
Thank
you,
I
just
wanted
to
piggyback
off
that
so
I'm
thinking,
because
there's
been
people
who
are
constantly
a
next
door,
app
and
they're
I've,
seen
it
more
from
New
London.
They
have
a
lot
of
people
that
go
on
the
ocean
beach
and
there
has
been
a
few
times
in
the
Eastern
Point
people
saying
oh,
where
can
I
get
a
quick
t-shirt
because
I
have
people
coming
in
or
they're
leaving
in
a
couple
days?
I
So
thinking
of
that
I
was
wondering
like
you
know,
so
when
you
have
logos
for
hats
bags,
shirts,
if
that
could
be
available
at
Eastern,
Point
Beach
available
for
sale,
because
that's
probably
where
they're
going
to
visit
or
when
they
have
events
at
Fort
Griswold
have
those
available.
You
know,
so
it's
not
always
online
so
because
people
say
and
I
mean
people
have
even
said.
I've
seen
it.
Oh
I
think
I
saw
some
at
the
Goodwill.
B
B
B
B
E
B
And
then
I'm
sure
it'll
be
looped
into
the
newsletter
so
just
to
piggyback
on
Council
McCabe.
If
you
don't
already
get
the
newsletter,
please
go
on
our
website
check
it
out.
It
does
have
a
lot
of
information
and
always
has
like
all
the
important
dates
so
I've
had
a
couple.
People
will
be
like
when's,
the
next
meeting,
all
that
information
is
in
our
newsletter.
So
if
you
get
our
newsletter,
you
can
always
refer
back
to
it
and
know
when
the
important
dates
are
when
the
events
are
coming
up.
B
F
F
A
G
F
C
F
G
F
G
F
G
F
F
And
what
we
looked
for
is
we
looked
for
a
balance
between
what
might
be
a
draw
to
visit
our
historic
landmarks,
but
not
only
lean
in
that
one
direction
that
if
you
want
to
open
a
business
here,
this
is
a
place
where
you
could
make
your
own
history
raise
your
families
here
right.
So
it's
history
in
the
making
I'm
sure
you
can
visualize
with
me
the
Dynamics
of
those
two
balances.
Okay,
so
we're
pretty
excited
about
it.
For
you,
it's
a
great
solution
for
your
community.
It
really
is.
B
E
Our
next
Mark,
as
far
as
for
all
the
branding
elements,
would
be
to
roll
out
everything
one
internally
with
all
of
our
departments,
so
they
have
the
professional
Brands
as
well
as
the
marketing
portion
and
then
how
that
would
be
reflected
in
the
community
of
what
elements
we'd
want
to
move
forward
with
I
know.
We've
talked
there
have
been
some
talks
about
like
way:
finding
and
different
things
or
updating
banners
that
are
along
Bridge
Street.
E
B
E
J
E
E
J
E
J
F
F
This
becomes
a
marketing
brand,
it
could
be
a
secondary
decal
on
environments,
and
so
much
of
your
world
and
everyone's
world
right
now
is
digital,
which
has
a
zero
expense
application.
So
adding
it
to
the
economic
development
pages
of
your
website
or
adding
it
to
your
Facebook
Graphics,
where
it's
appropriate.
G
G
F
We
do
hear
all
voices,
though,
and
I
will
make
take
a
look
at
maybe
the
density
of
that
line
one
last
time,
but
you
know
it:
isn't
it
isn't
a
vote
decision
type
of
thing
right,
yeah,
I,
think
it's
I
think
if
you
spend
a
little
bit
more
time
with
it,
in
all
fairness,
you've
seen
it
for
30
minutes.
Oh.
B
No
I
I
wasn't
saying
that,
because
I
think
you
should
change
it.
I
genuinely
was
just
curious.
The
thought
process
behind
it
I
do
really
like
I
kind
of
like
that.
We
I
think
a
lot
of
people
like
the
other
logos
because
they
were
around
because
there
was
like
a
round
element
to
them.
So
I
do
think
that
this
probably
satisfies
the
people
who
liked
the
other
logos
a
little
bit.
Also
so
I
think
it's
a
smart.
F
B
D
E
Stephen,
so
the
city
of
groton's,
Base,
brand
colors,
are
a
combination
of
a
dark
blue,
a
baby
blue,
a
green,
an
orange
and
gold.
And
then
the
marketing
brand,
as
you
see,
will
is
complementing
three
of
those
colors.
But
as
we
when
we
send
out
the
information
you
can
see
within
your
packet
that
the
city
seal
kind
of
reflects
all
of
our
brand
colors.
And
when
we
chose
colors
from
that
to
make
the
marketing
brand
tagline.
D
D
B
K
K
We
did
utilize,
The,
Source,
well,
contract
for
the
purchase
or
the
agreement.
The
price
for
the
vehicle
is
331
thousand
twenty
nine
dollars
and
55
cents
a
little
bit
about
the
sweepers.
We
currently
have
two
of
them,
the
oldest
of
which
has
not
been
on
the
road
for
over
a
year.
It's
badly
rusted
we're
having
difficult
times
getting
materials.
It
is
actually
a
1999
vehicle.
It's
a
sterling
unit
that
particular
unit
works
really
well
or
worked
at
one
time
really
well
for
catch
Basin,
cleaning
and
Gathering
leaves
it
was
a
really
good
sucker
machine.
K
The
second
one
we
have
is
a
2010,
that's
an
Elgin
that
one's
still
on
a
rope.
That's
our
primary
unit
right
now,
with
the
Sterling
being
offline.
That
works
really
well
with
sweeping
the
roads,
but
not
so
so
much
as
a
sucker.
The
intent
with
the
purchase
with
the
Elgin,
it's
a
dual
purpose
machine,
so
it
works
really
well
with
sweeping
the
road
as
well
as
Gathering
the
leaves
and
cleaning
the
catch
basins.
Okay,
questions
on
that
at
all.
K
We'll
try
to
auction
that
one
off.
It's
gotten
to
the
point
where
it
still
has
some
value.
It's
got
a
couple
of
components
on
it
that
are
fairly
new,
where
people
that
are
looking
to
do
this
business,
we
there's
some
value
for
that.
I
will
to
make
note,
though
the
you
know
it
took
us.
So
again,
this
is
to
the
budget
year
was
2022..
It
took
me
a
year
to
get
anybody
that
was
willing
to
even
talk
about
having
an
opportunity
to
get
the
machine.
K
K
If
that
machine
I
believe
there
are
our
newer
one
has
a
2022.
that
one
I'm
sorry
2010
right
and
that
one
has
just
over
30
000
miles,
but
it's
got
a
lot
of
hours
on
it.
So
it's
not
much
time
on
the
road,
but
it's
running
and
that's
kind
of
where
the
wear
and
tear
comes
in
and
you
think
about
these
machines.
They're
out
there
cleaning
streets,
the
salt,
the
gravel.
They
really
really
go
through.
K
It's
a
it's
a
tough
life
for
that
for
that
type
of
machine
technology
has
gotten
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
better.
Now,
a
lot
of
the
components
that
they
work
with
are
are
not
so
rust
prone.
So
the
newer
stuff
is
much
much
better
with
purchasing
the
Dual
Purpose
unit.
I.
Think
that
puts
us
in
a
good,
a
better
position.
10
15
years
from
now
on,
making
a
decision
how
we
want
to
go
to
I
like
the
Dual
Purpose
Center.
I
K
K
K
Itself,
oh
good
point,
so
it's
a
good
way
to
put
it
so
I,
don't
know
the
yard
size,
I!
Think
I'm,
sure
it's
in
the
it's
in
the
specs
here
on
the
size
of
the
hopper,
but
when
it
emulsifies
it
and
it
contains
the
back
we're
out
there,
so
I
watch
the
guys
and
they'll
usually
load
it
at
lunchtime.
You
know
fill
it
up
at
lunch
time,
they'll
come
back
and
they'll
empty
it
out
and
they'll
go
back
and.
L
K
I
B
K
This
particular
unit,
so
I,
should
make
mention
and
thank
you
so
the
the
proposal
for
this
expires
in
30
days
and
that's
how
difficult
it's
been
to
get
these
vehicles.
So
if
you
know
I'm
looking
for
a
timely
response
a
couple
weeks
from
now
or
something
so
that
I
can
generate,
you
know
work
with
Ron
and
generate
a
PO
and
get
that
locked
in
and
that
basically
gets
us
into
the
queue
for
assembly.
K
K
B
B
K
B
K
M
B
B
Thank
you
that
my
questions
so
I
need
a
motion
to
move
this
to
the
mayor
and
council
meeting
of
December
5th
2022.
so
move
second
I
have
a
motion
in
a
second
all,
those
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye
motion
passes,
oh
what
any
abstentions
or
Nays
of
sentence.
I
forgot
I
should
write
that
down,
motion
passes
and
on
to
the
next
okay
item.
K
K
A
quick
note
about
the
bucket
truck
that
we
have
it's
number
19..
We
we
self-perform
work
in
a
city
for
arborist,
work
and
other
things.
This
truck
is
a
1988
vehicle,
we've
been
using
it
for
quite
some
time,
parts
are
obsolete
to
get
matter
of
fact,
our
mechanic
in
a
garage
is
has
actually
made
several
require
repairs
that
required
fabricating
his
own
parts.
For
it,
the
truck
must
pass
an
annual
inspection
which
puts
us
in
a
little
bit
of
Jeopardy.
There.
K
K
We
performed
nearly
a
thousand
jobs
on
this
vehicle
which
we've
recorded
and
we
always
didn't,
have
a
work
order
system,
but
you
know
I
can
run
a
report
and
pull
up
over
985
jobs
that
we
do
so
we
use
it
frequently.
Another
important
piece:
employee
safety
is
also
taken
into
consideration.
You
know
so
the
truck's
34
years
old.
K
So
it's
something
that
we
again
so
this
was
approved
on
the
fiscal
year
ending
2023
budget
for
this
year
again,
this
vehicle
was
very
hard
to
get.
I
also
have
a
30-day
commitment
that
they're
asking
for
to
have
a
PO
to
hold
it.
If
not
jangras
told
us,
we
would
be
expecting
to
wait
another
year
to
get
this
vehicle
they
also
like
I,
said
I
mentioned.
We
utilize
the
state
contract
on
that
and
for
everything.
H
B
B
N
We
have
approximately
55
non-union
employees
of
which
14
are
department,
heads
of
GMS
and
they're
in
one
category
and
then
an
additional
13
that
our
salaried
folks
28
are
hourly
and
eight
were
higher
prior
to
the
08
First
Column,
and
then
there
are
19
that
have
been
hired
after
opening
when
we
had
a
over
a
year.
Now
that
we've
had
a
non-union
meetings
where
not
even
folks
came
and
spoke
with
the
mayor
about
the
different
items
that
they
would
like
us
to
have
looked
at
one
of
them,
a
big
one
was
vacation
time.
N
It's
really
become
evident
for
new
candidates
that
we've
been
interviewing,
that
time
off
to
spend
with
family
non-work
activities
rest
and
relaxation,
and
it
is
extremely
valuable
to
them
and
I'm,
not
sure
that's
going
to
go
away.
We
have
actually
had
a
few
misses
with
potential
hires
who
were
not
happy
with
that
vacation
policy.
We
do
have
someone
that
has
been
with
us,
probably
two
or
three
years,
she's,
wonderful
and
she
told
us
that
she
probably
would
not
have
taken
the
job.
N
Had
she
known
how
difficult
it
was
to
to
work
with
only
10
days
off
the
year,
so
that
was
one
of
our
big
gifts
that
we
wanted
to
take
a
look
at
and
so
I
wanted
to.
I
hopefully
made
it
very
easy
for
you
to
take
a
look
at
this.
So
in
up
until
now,
our
handbooks
have
the
hourlys
hired
a
408
and
they
were
brought
in
at
15
days
right
off
the
bat
for
some
reason.
A
few
years
ago,
I
think
under
mayor
galebraith.
N
She
decreased
that
to
10
days
per
year.
Now,
unfortunately,
also
with
all
of
this
is
when
people
know
that
others
have
come
in
at
15
and
then
they're
coming
in
at
10
and
it's
you
know,
10
years
low,
even
more
than
10
years
later,
there's
a
question
as
to
why
that
happened.
So
again,
that
was
a
really
big
thing
for
them.
N
They
are
currently
in
the
same
category
as
the
IRA
people,
and
we
just
felt
that
they
nothing
really
different
about
what
they
have
for
benefits,
even
though
their
salaried
and
they
do
most
of
them
do
work
many
more
hours
after
40,
and
we
don't
have
comp
time
or
anything
like
that.
So
they
were
hoping
that
they
would
be
able
to
get
some
sort
of
pat
on
the
back
or
whatever.
N
N
N
The
first
year
you
approve,
and
then
after
that
we
front
load
the
vacation
time
every
January
1st,
and
then
someone
leaves
and
has
taken
more
time
than
they
would
have
earned.
You
know
they
have
to
pay
it
back
to
us
we're
in
talks
with
Ron
your
house
about
Dylan.
It's
just
going
just
straight
across
I,
think
it'll
be
just
better
for
everybody.
It's
really
confused
to
be
doing
that.
The
way
we're
doing
so.
Hopefully
that
will
go
to
that.
Then
it
would
be
great.
Okay,.
N
I
B
H
G
G
Yeah
I
got
you
that
makes
sense
the
15
days,
that's
the
that's
an
a
day
and
a
quarter
a
month
right.
That's
that's
what
I
mean
that's
what
the
state
gets.
You
know
that
that's
that's
standard.
You
know
I
just
the
when
it
gets
to
20
and
the
25
days.
That's
what
it
looks
like
to
me,
though,
that
is
more
like
nobody's.
Gonna
use
that
time.
If,
if,
if.
G
I
mean
I'm
a
big
Advocate.
Everybody
should
get
a
whole
lot
of
time,
but
but
if
they're
gonna
use
it,
you
know
what
I
mean
you
know.
People
have
families
and
using
it.
But
just
you
know
what
I
mean
I'd
be
more
in
line
with
giving
bonuses
to
to
to
salary
people
then
just
give
them
extra
days,
and
just
because
to
me
it
kind
of
looks
like
it's
a
way
just
to
go
ahead
and
incentivize
in
a
backdoor
type
way
so
like.
G
If
you
read
this
puts
25
days
as
opposed
to
15
days,
I
mean
that's,
that's
I
mean
that's
a
lot
of
time
to
it
was
the
concerning
to
get
all
the
holidays
off
right,
get
every
holiday
off.
It's
like
you,
know,
I'm
four
I'm
for
the
salary,
but
I'd
rather
give
a
bonus
than
just
give
it
to
me.
I
mean
I,
don't,
and
this
is
just
so.
These
are
just
numbers
that
you
kind
of
threw
out
there,
but
you
said.
G
B
G
I'm
just
looking
at
this
because
you
know
the
these
guys,
they
do
a
lot
of
good
work
and
then
you
should
get
like
you
said
incentivized
for
it,
but
I
I
think
I
I!
Think
by
doing
it
this
way
it's
kind
of
I,
don't
know
that's
just
a
long
time
for
somebody
getting
15
days
to
25
days
like
what
about
I
mean
like.
G
Somebody
that
has
10
years
on
the
job
is
just
as
important
as
somebody
who
has
20
years
on
a
job,
so
you
could
argue
that
they
should
get
more
time
too.
So
I'm
saying
is
you're
gonna
should
give
a
a
on
the
salary
people
right
extra
right,
which
you
could
argue
that
the
salaries
in
the
You
could
argue
that
their
salaries,
that's
why
they
get.
You
know
they
pay,
but
but
but
what
I'm
saying
is?
Have
you
guys
had
discussions
about
giving
them
like
a
yearly
bonus
or
something.
N
G
B
G
B
B
Because
I
think
to
me,
that
is
a
good
question
and
the
the
issue
I
think
on
our
end
is
as
an
employer.
How
do
we
encourage
people
to
take
their
vacation
time
because
we've
all
been
that
person
where
we
work
too
much
and
then
you
realize
I
haven't
taken
any
time
off
and
I
need
a
break
and
maybe
there's
something
we
could
do
on
the
employer
side
to
encourage
people
to
use
their
vacation
time
more
and
I,
don't
know
if
that
could
be
in
you
know
we
have
a
relatively
small
Workforce.
G
G
G
Is
this
something
that's
even
like
what
I'm
saying
if
I'm
giving
20
something
like
25
days,
they're
gonna
take
25
days
that
I
want
them,
because
they
want
to
take
the
25
days.
They
I,
don't
think
they
want
to
I
I
think
we
should
have
a
bigger
discussion
on
what
we're
get,
what
we
wouldn't,
how
we
can
incentivize
salaried
on
people
in
the
city.
That's
what
I'm
saying.
B
A
N
G
Because
I
listen
right
and
you
said
the
throw
them
up
where
and
then
say
that
we
don't
take
time
so
yeah
I
agree
there
might
be
there's
some
form
of
incentive
right
but
and
again
I'm
not
in
these
just
I'm,
not
in
the
discussions.
I,
don't
know
what
the
directors
use,
but
are
they
going
to
take
the
time
we're
giving
them
the
time
that
we're
going
to
take
them?
Are
we
gonna?
Are
they
going
to
take
the
time
that
that's
what
I'm.
A
A
G
Okay,
I
guess
I
was
just
looking
at
totally
different.
I'll
talk
to
the
directors
after
I'm
gonna
get
totally
differently.
I'm
talking
about
these
are
the
people
that
had
our
department,
so
we're
giving
them
more
time
where
we
need
them
there.
So,
if
they're
going
to
be
there
more,
we
should
give
them
more
of
a
you
know.
Different
kind
of
I
mean
I
understand
they
give
them
more
time,
but
I
like
what
do
they
have
now.
I.
B
N
B
G
B
L
A
G
I
N
A
bachelor's
degree
in
your
particular
work
position
or
a
special
certification.
That's
got
a
paralegal,
something
like
that.
That
doesn't
seem
to
be
well
received
here.
I'm,
not
sure
why
so
those
were
these
smaller
bonuses,
so
I
can't
imagine
you
know
something
that
would
probably
make
a
difference
as
far
as
a
bonus
to
somebody
who
could
have
the
25
days
and
cash
in
what
they
couldn't
use
and
still
get
that
25
days
either
as
time
off
or
as
cash,
but
that's
what
they
prefer.
I
Okay,
because
I
was
just
going
to
say
in
the
the
first
hospital
I
worked
in
Rhode
Island.
They
did
something
very
similar
to
this
and
a
lot
of
the
nurses
love
that,
but
they
cut
it
before
Thanksgiving
or
it
was
like
around
Thanksgiving.
So
they
could
use
it
for
Christmas
shopping.
So,
but
the
main
thing
that
we
found
from
is
that
people
didn't
they
didn't
take
as
much
time
off
yeah.
C
C
N
I
J
I
think
you
know
the
questions
I'm
going
to
ask.
So
while
they
may
not
be
a
financial
impact
until
you
brought
up
the
fact
that
you
can,
you
can
cash
out,
so
my
first
question
would
be
is:
do
we
know
what
the
financial
impact
would
be
for
those
that
are
currently
entering
their
10th
year
under
management?
That
would
be
going
from
20
days
to
25
days
if
they
did
not
take
those
five
days,
vacation
and
cashed
out.
L
J
N
N
J
N
Then
in
fact,
there's
one
Union
that
you
have
to
unfold
a
year
before
you've
got
five
days
and
we
had
someone
decide
not
to
take
the
job.
It
was
really
really
qualified
because
of
that
so
I
think
I'm
thinking,
that's
probably
something
they
might
look
at
in
negotiations.
That
will
start
after
the
first
of
the
year.
N
J
To
30.,
okay,
but
it
would
be
really
interesting
to
know,
based
on
current
management,
of
how
many
would
be
in
that
10th
year,
going
from
20
days
to
25
days
and
what
the
financial
ink
pad
would
be
if
they
did
buy
back
and
then
it
would
be
really
interesting.
I
I
got
to
tell
you
if
to
compare
the
management
vacation
time
that
we're
talking
about
with
other
municipalities,
that
that
would
be.
J
M
It's
a
cost,
no
matter
which
way
you
look
at
it,
whether
they
take
the
time
or
not,
because
now
you're
non-productive
non-productivity
time
goes
up
as
well.
So
there
is
a
cost
either
way.
I
was
not
asked
to
cost
it
out
from
either
direction
and
from
a
management
they
can
buy
back
up
to
80
hours.
So
somebody
who
may
buy
Back
40
now
could
be
upping
that
up
to
another
40..
M
B
So
any
other
counselors
have
questions
so
I
have
a
few
other
questions
on
it.
One
thing
to
me
is
I
understand
the
discussion
of
if
people
are
buying
back
their
vacation
time,
but
I
I
think
it's
unfair
to
employees
who
do
take
vacation
time
to
consider
not
increasing
vacation
time,
because
some
employees
don't
use
it
because
you're
kind
of
punishing
everyone
else.
B
N
N
B
And
it
stays
there,
I
mean
I
I.
Think
it's
fine!
The
way
we
have
it,
like
you
know,
shelves
basically
but
like
to
get
up
to
I
mean
because
if
I
were
an
employee
hired
now
and
I
had
less
vacation
time
than
someone
who
was
hired.
You
know
15
years
ago,
I'd
be
kind
of
mad
too.
So
I
do
think
that's
kind
of
unfair
that
those
people
don't
have
15
days.
N
B
L
N
L
B
Under
the
more
of
them,
I
mean
I,
like,
as
you
know,
I'm
I'm,
always
Pro,
employee
benefits
and
I
do
think.
You
know
one
of
the
things
it
used
to
be
always
a
good
job
to
go.
Work
for
your
local
municipality
and
I
think
that
we
have
kind
of
faded
from
that
I
think
benefits
in
the
regular
Market
sometimes
have
eclipsed
what
we
have,
because
we
haven't
reviewed
it.
B
Did
we
look
at
like
the
market
in
general
like
an
outside
job
like,
for
example,
if
the
parks
and
direct
direct
director,
if
you
were
to
compare
the
days
off
to
a
like,
Community,
Center
Director,
or
something
like
that
so
like
the
non-municipality
job
I,
think
that
would
be
interesting
to
look
at
I
know
the
intent
is
to
move
this
to
the
December
5th
meeting,
but
I
don't
know
that
the
council
seems
ready
to
vote
on
it.
I
think
I,
don't
know.
N
A
N
I
I
Is
there
other
things
that,
like
you
said
the
person
that
was
really
well
qualified
but
the
vacation
time
it
was
vacation
time?
Did
you
say
that
they
didn't
like
yes,
okay,
so,
but
the
people
that
are
staying
I
mean
besides
this,
what
what
majorly
is
keeping
them?
I
mean
it
could
be
just
the
people
here
or
is
it
they
have
excellent
benefits,
say
medically
or
I
mean
besides
this.
N
I
N
And
that's,
that's
it
don't
ask
for
anything
more,
that's
all
you
get
and
now,
but
it's
happening
right
away.
We
started
struggling
trying
to
get
people
having
been
doing
a
whole
lot
of
recruiting
in
the
last
probably
two
or
three
months.
We
we
have,
you
know
waves
and
we
probably
hired
the
10
people
from
the
last
10
months
or
so
I
mean
last
three
or
four
months,
so
we're
seeing
it.
It's
not
hurting.
L
B
I
do
I
do
think
then.
Maybe
the
consensus
is
we
move
forward
with
this,
but
do
some
more
analysis
in
the
future
of
like
what
how
to
incentivize
employees
or
you
know,
because
I
I,
you
know
a
lot
like
you
said
this
discussion
happened
a
while
ago
and
we've
had
we've
been
wanting
to
increase
the
time
for
a
while
and
I
do
think.
The
main.
B
The
main
thing
is
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
have
issues
recruiting
when
we
need
to,
because
if
we
fall
behind
on
that,
then
you
can't
you
can't
pitch
it.
When
someone
says
you
don't
have
enough
vacation
time,
you
can't
be
like
okay,
wait
three
months
and
I'll
bring
it
to
the
council
and
we'll
change
that
so
I
mean
I
would
be
in
favor
of
moving
it
and
then
having
further
discussion,
possibly
about
the
future
counselor
Norris.
J
So
in
one
hand,
if
I
stay
with
the
hourly
folks
or
even
the
hourly,
to
salute
folks
I
can
kind
of
get
it
all
right.
This
that
looks
like
yeah.
We
want
to
attract
people
so
we're
going
from
12
days
to
10
days
or
10
to
15.
longevity,
wise
I
kind
of
get
it.
We
want
those
folks
to
stay
well,
then
I
jump
to
the
management
side
and
I'm
trying
to
follow
that
thought
pattern.
J
J
Okay,
because
I'm
trying
to
understand
why
go
from
20
days
to
25
days
unless
and
I
really
try
to
stay
out
of
operations?
Is
that
a
because
the
financial
impact,
as
we
said,
is
exactly
the
same
if
they
take
25
days
or
not,
but
where
becomes
a
massive
Financial
impact?
If
those
folks
don't
take
that
week
because
then
essentially
they're
getting
another
week's
vacation,
not
vacation
again
a
week's
pay.
So
you
know
at
a
director
level
that
could
be
anywhere
from
thousand
to
fifteen
hundred
dollars
a
week.
J
That's
why
I
was
asking
how
many
folks
are.
We
talking
about
and
the
impact
may
not
be
really
now-
maybe
like
three
people
who
knows
but
I
get
the
goal.
I
think
keep
these
people
Beyond
10
years,
but
then
is
it
that
Financial
impact
could
literally
be
forty
thousand
dollars.
You
know
so
I
guess
that's
why
I'm
like
yeah,
it's
mathematically
I'm,
trying
to
navigate
through
it
right,
so
I'm
done.
I
promise.
J
I
But
also
too,
if
you're
going
to
hold
people
hopefully
longer
in
longevity,
but
if
you
do
but
if
you
don't,
then
you
get
new
people
in
and
there's
going
to
be
other
jobs
they're
going
to
have
better
benefits
years
down
the
road.
That's
something
else
to
look
at
too
and
they'll
walk
in
the
door
and
say
no
thanks.
J
B
This
number
of
days,
I,
think
I
know
we
have
the
emotions
to
move
them
to
the
mayor
and
council
meeting,
but
I
don't
know
that
we
are
ready.
I
think
that
there
are
those
questions.
I
think
it
would
be
interesting
to
see
the
financial
impact,
because
we
are
in
budget
season
and
to
know
how
much
this
will
impact
our
budget
to
change
these
days,
based
on
who
already
doesn't
take
their
vacation
time
and
I.
B
B
D
N
From
quick,
quick
responses,
the
beginning
of
the
Union
vacation
awards
are
loved.
They
move
up
during
the
years
and
at
the
end
they
could
be
at
25
30
35,
once
you've
hit
a
certain
page
now,
the
35
is
I
mean
not
age,
but
length
of
service.
The
35s
are
gone,
30s
are
still
hanging
around
some
25s
are
still
hanging
around
and
there's
nothing
below
20.
D
N
Hard
to
to
put
that
in
one
bucket,
because
it's
for
them
to
get
the
vacation
time,
one
Union
in
particular,
they
don't
get
anything
until
they've
been
here
for
one
full
year.
Then
they
get
five
days.
That's
we
lost
the
person
that
this
year
just
a
couple
months
ago,
who
was
ready
to
take
the
job,
it's
very
well
qualified.
So
what
the
vacation
was
and
said.
L
N
D
Is
better
no
I
mean
I
figure
of
as
far
as
budgetary
is?
Is
it
pretty
much
a
trade-off,
not
much
of
a
trade-off
between
union
and
non-union?
So
it
really,
it
shouldn't
affect
fiscally
the
city
of
Groton
in
any
significant
way
as
far
as
paying
for
vacation.
Since
the
union
members
seem
to
have
less
vacation
time
at
the
moment
than
the
salary
folks
to
where
you
know,
there's
not
many.
You
know
High
10-year
employees
to
have
to
worry
about
paying
a
lot
of
vacation
time.
Well,.
D
D
N
B
Yeah
so
I
I
think
I
think
those
are
the
things
the
number
of
employees.
We
have
that
that
already
don't
use
their
vacation
time,
the
the
financial
impact
of
that
not
to
say
that
that
we
shouldn't
still
incentivize
that
but
to
know
what
the
impact
on
the
budget's
going
to
be,
because
essentially
we're
kind
of
approving
a
budget
change
prior
to
budget
season,
because
I
imagine
we're
not
you're
going
to
have
to
absorb
this
in
the
budget
somewhere.
G
Think
we
have
to
make
sure
every
director
is
being
paid,
what
they're
worth
for
starters.
That's
the
beginning,
the
first
thing
right
and
then
we
can
do
all
this
other
stuff
on
sprinkling
it
afterwards
because
to
me
I
think
peop
and
I'm
I'm
gonna
I'm,
a
municipal
worker
myself
for
the
state
I
mean
when
it's
all
said
and
done
the
25
days
20
to
25
days.
People
aren't
staying,
but
they
get
20
to
25
days
or
staying
because
they
get
a
good
salary
and
they
get
a
good
pension
or
benefits
after
working
here.
G
So
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
make
sure
what
make
sure
all
these
all
management
is
getting
paid.
What
they're
worth
and
it's
fair
right
and
I
think
we
may
need
to
change
the
structure
of
how
we're
determining
what
somebody's
they're
worth
and
if
it
puts
the
years
of
service
and
everything
else
in
because,
according
to
this
we're
doing,
okay,
you
work
a
certain
amount
of
years.
You
get
25
days,
but
I
know
for
certain
that
there's
some
directors
that
aren't
being
paid
what
they're
worth
in
their
years
of
service.
So.
B
N
G
B
B
B
Nope
we
just
it,
can
just
go
to
the
next
Committee
of
the
whole
meeting
just
yeah
it.
We
just
have
the
option
to
move
it:
okay,
yeah!
If
we,
if
it
was
already
at
a
mayor
and
council
meeting,
we
would
have
to
make
a
motion
to
table
table
the
okay,
yes
good
question:
we
have
two
committee
members
for
beach
and
Parks
committee
I
spoke
with
the
clerk
earlier.
These
people
have
been
spoken
to
already.
They
have
agreed
that
they
would
like
to
remain
on
Beach
and
Parks
committee.
B
B
A
B
L
B
O
Good
evening
Deputy,
Mayor
and
Council,
so
when
cannabis,
marijuana
became
somewhat
allowed
in
the
state
of
Connecticut.
The
mayor
started
talking
about
putting
an
ordinance
together
to
kind
of
address
that
at
one
of
our
department,
head
meetings,
I
mentioned
that
we
already
had
existing
ordinance
for
our
parks
that
we
could
look
at
elaborating
on
that.
So
we,
the
police
department,
would
only
have
just
one
document
to
look
at
for
smoking.
So
I
worked
with
the
chief
with
all
the
documentation
that
he
got
from
his
document.
O
Let
him
kind
of
there's
questions
from
the
language
that
that's
up
to
the
chief
to
answer
the
question,
and
so
we
kind
of
changed
the
title
a
little
bit.
It's
not
just
Parks.
Now
it's
public
owned
buildings
and
some
of
the
recreation
areas,
because
it
does
affect
quite
a
few
different
areas
in
within
the
community.
P
So,
basically,
what
it
comes
down
to
is,
with
the
the
ACT
21-1,
the
public
DAC
in
Connecticut
has
added
marijuana
to
places.
You
cannot
smoke
wherever
you
cannot
smoke
now.
They've
added
marijuana
to
it
so,
and
they
have
also
extended
other
things
such
as
vaping
is
included
now
E-cigarettes
are
included
now.
One
of
the
other
items
is
restaurants
that
serve
food
indoors
and
or
alcohol.
P
It's
not
just
inside
the
building,
but
when
they
say
an
area,
any
area
that
includes
up
to
25
feet
outside
of
the
door
of
that
restaurant
or
bar
some
things
are
excluded.
As
you
can
see
in
the
red
on
page
one
under
definitions,
it
has
smoking
in
a
list
of
everything
that
is
where
you
are
not
allowed
to
smoke
and
or
vape
and
or
anything
with
cannabis.
P
P
There
is
a
penalty
or
a
violate
for
violation
of
this
is
a
hundred
and
twenty
dollar
fine,
which
is
set
by
the
city.
That
would
be
an
infraction
if
we
were
to
violate
somebody.
They
would
get
in
a
fraction
for
a
hundred
and
ten
dollars
or
sorry
excuse
me
120
dollars,
and
that
would
be
through
an
officer's
ticket
book,
an
infraction
mail
in
fine.
P
H
P
I
P
It's
on
any,
it
says
in
here
any
public,
any
property
owned
or
under
the
management
of
a
municipality.
So
this
is
the
grounds
it's
I
would
assume
that
the
mayor
could
decide
that
it's
part
of
the
grounds
and
they
would
have
to
go
to
the
sidewalk.
That
is
not
under
the
municipalities
control
like
the
park,
for
example,
if
we
went
to
Washington
Park
or
the
beach
anywhere
in
the
park,
you
could
not
smoke
because
it's
under
control
of
the
city.
P
However,
once
you
walk
to
the
sidewalk,
you
would
be
able
to
so
I
think
that
would
be
something
that
the
mayor
would
have
to
decide
like
I
know
we
there's
a
designated
area
out
back
for
smoking.
You
know
with
the
is
the
mayor
going
to
consider
changing
that,
or
is
he
going
to
allow
that?
Because
municipalities
have
a
lot,
a
large
variance
in
what
they
can
do?
H
H
P
L
P
O
L
O
B
G
I
would
say
with
that:
it's
it's
it's
that
was
actually
a
good
example
like
right
now
somebody
might
be
smoking,
but
there's
nobody
there
right,
but
it's
more
of
a
ground
to
have
something
right.
You
have
kids
around
or
whatever
you're
like
you're,
not
supposed
to
be
smoking
here,
so
they
can
take
action
but
nobody's
going
to
call
somebody
who's
way
up
near
the
tennis
courts
and
it's
just
them
doing
whatever
they're
doing
you
know.
O
P
J
J
P
Midas
Paley
is
where
it
says
in
here.
Let
me
see
I'm
just
taking
it
out
of
the
bill,
so
municipalities
can
regulate
on
any
property
owned
or
under
the
control
of
the
municipality.
Any
activity
deemed
deemed
to
be
deleterious
to
Public
Health,
including
the
lighting
carrying
burning
of
lighted,
cigarettes
and
so
Minnesota
can
do
what
they
want.
No.
L
J
O
When
the
ordinance
went
in
initially
in
June
of
2013,
it
was
they
started
talking
about
it
in
April,
just
to
get
all
the
you
know
language
in
place,
so
we
got
this
far
and
we
want
input.
The
mayor
wants
input.
The
mayor
wants
your
input.
He
wanted
us
to
bring
it
to
the
council
so
that
you
guys
could
digest
it.
Look
at
it
see
if
there's
anything,
we've
missed
or
anything
that
you
I
mean.
Okay,
yes,
I
said
the
same
thing:
Lisa
dog
track,
but
you
never.
O
You
never
know
what
things
might
come
in
the
future,
and
this
way
you
don't
have
to
I
mean
this
has
been
in
place
for
almost
20
10
years.
It
was
2013
and
it's
2022
right
now
so
to
make
upgrades.
This
might
still
be
here,
10
years
from
now,
and
not
that
we'll
we
only
space
for
a
dog
track,
but
at
least
we
have
things
covered
in
case
other
things
established
here
in
the
community
such.
B
K
L
P
P
A
P
P
B
B
P
P
If
we
don't
get
a
call
and
we
go,
we
don't
see
them.
Obviously
we
don't
do
anything,
but
if
we
go
down
say
to
the
dog
and
the
in
the
beach
area,
get
you
you
know,
get
your
dog
on
a
leash,
get
your
dog
off
the
property
we'd
like
to
give
them
a
benefit
of
the
break,
the
first
time,
the
benefit
of
the
doubt
the
first
time.
P
B
B
We
talked
about
this
a
while
back
when
it
first
kind
of
came
up
when
the
legalization
first
went
through
for
marijuana,
because
right
now
it's
decriminalized
and
you
can
get
a
medical
card,
and
all
of
that
so
was
there
any
discussion
on
whether
or
not
that's
a
violation
of
someone's
rights
under
maybe
Ada,
to
ban
use
of
the
product,
because,
unlike
cigarettes,
marijuana
can
be
used
medicinally
so
have
we
evaluated
that
and
it
yeah?
That's
no
question.
P
P
Me
you
anybody
else,
can't
if
they're,
not
medically
a
patient,
so
as
far
as
vaping
goes,
Vape
product
does
not
include
a
medical
or
therapeutical
therapeutic
product.
That
is
a
used
by
licensed
healthcare
provider
to
treat
a
patient
in
a
health
care
setting
used
by
a
patient
or
prescribed
or
directed
by
a
licensed
health
care
provider
in
any
setting
or
any
drug
or
device,
as
defined
in
the
Food
Drug
cosmetic
act
such
and
such
as
amended
from
time
to
time
in
combination
of
described.
B
B
I
should
I
if
I'm
just
curious,
if
there's
been
any
opinion
issued
either
by
the
Ada
or
other
municipalities,
who've
put
a
law
in
place
of
whether
or
not
that
is
an
issue
I
guess,
because
if
it's
not
an
issue,
it's
not
an
issue
but
I.
My
thing
is
it's
smoking,
nicotine
and
smoking.
Marijuana
are
not
exactly
the
same,
and
part
of
that
reason
is.
It
can
be
used,
medicinally,
no
one's
using
cigarettes,
medically
nicotine
cigarettes,
so
I
again
am
wary
of
making
a
rule.
B
P
O
E
L
O
O
G
So
that
the
medical,
the
medical
marijuana,
so
the
key
word
on
this
there's
is:
it
says,
smoking
right,
so
smoking
we're
talking
about
smoking,
so
anything
you're
smoking,
whether
it's
fake
Gummy,
whatever
you,
whatever
smoking,
is
prohibited,
so
it
doesn't
matter
they're.
Just
laying
out
all
this
stuff.
G
Possession
is
different
right,
we're
not
saying
you
can't
possess
it.
You're
saying
you
just
can't
smoke
it
so
definitely,
mayor
Depot
is
correct
right
as
a
law
enforcement
myself,
it's
very
rare
where
you
you
you
go,
and
you
cite
somebody
for
smoking,
but
it's
for
ours.
It's
for
our
kids.
It's
for
the
people
that
don't
do
that
stuff!
It's
for
public
to
have
something
there
to
say
you
can't
do
this
at
the
Beach
concert.
G
You
can't
do
this
right
here
where
people
are
eating
and
it
doesn't
matter
if
it's
medical
or
not,
because
it's
prohibited
on
private
property.
That's
that's!
That's
what
this
is
it.
Doesn't
it
doesn't
matter
if
it's
medical
or
not
it's
private
property,
you
can
go
to
the
sidewalk
or
you
can
go
somewhere
else
to
to
help
your
panic
attack.
If
that's
the
the
medical
use
of
it.
G
You
know,
but
law
enforcement
they're
going
to
act
on
it
if
somebody's
smoking,
if
I
come
as
a
trooper
and
it
says
it's
smoking,
prohibited
and
statute
doesn't
matter
if
it's
a
if
it's,
if
it's
prohibited
or
not
you're
not
getting
cited
for
having
possession
of
it,
because
you
can
have
it,
you
just
can't
smoke
it
and,
furthermore,
you
can't
whether
you
have
a
marijuana
card
or
not.
You
can't
smoke
in
front
of
kids.
You
can't
do
that.
That's
a
law
so.
H
Thank
you,
yeah
I'm,
still
getting
back
to
what
counselor
Deputy
Mayor
Depot
said
about
the
second
hand,
smoke
and
vaping
I'm
very
much
a
non-smoker.
I
am
uncomfortable
around
cigarette
smoke
and
I
I.
Understand
that
and
and
feel
the
second
hand
anxiety,
but
with
vaping
I
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
it.
I
can't
smell
it,
I'm
wondering
you
know.
If
I
you
have
that
study
with
certain
chemicals.
H
But
what's
the
dissipation
rate
I
mean
from
here
to
here,
would
I
still
get
the
chemicals
I
mean
being
a
lot
of
our
smokers
have
started
vaping
to
get
away
from
the
cigarette
smoke
and
to
be
able
to
be
at
the
concert
or
whatever
I'm
just
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
accounting
for
that
understood.
But
that's
what
the
bill
says.
L
B
J
My
my
question
was:
here's
a
perfect
opportunity
to
like
Deputy
Deputy,
sorry,
director
Hill
said
to
go
through
all
this
because
I'm
looking
at
it
and
I,
don't
I'm
not
into
tobacco,
so
I
need
some
help
here.
Where
we
talk
about,
you
know
reduce
and
exposure
to
second-hand
smoke
and
whatever
and
is
but
I
look
at
like
chewing
tobacco.
J
J
J
J
B
G
Thank
you
so
one
one
in
like
a
half
first
hit
novels
in
this,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
add
to
the
comments.
So
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
So
one
of
the
issues
is
when
it
comes
to
the
the
E-Cigarettes
or
The
Vaping
or
whatever
right,
when
somebody
reports
something
right:
they're
reporting
smoke
and
somebody's
smoking
right.
So
so
you
can't
okay.
What
do
you
have
in
your
hand
or
whatever
all
this?
So
that's
why
they
added
all
this
stuff.
G
I
Yes,
thank
you
so
when
I
look
at
this,
as
as
far
as
a
nurse
and
we're
talking
about
secondhand
smoke,
secondhand
Vape,
whatever
I
I,
also
look
at
when
you're
talking
about
possession
it's
different
possession,
but
also
a
lot
of
people
are
not
responsible.
Like
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
times
I
see
even
on
school
grounds,
e-vape
products
on
the
ground.
Actually
one
of
my
students
on
the
bus
thought
it
was
a
lighter
and
was
going
to
go
pick
it
up
and
one
of
the
other
students
said:
don't
pay
it
out.
I
That's
e-vape
and
I
was
like
yeah.
It
probably
is
the
EVAP
thing.
So
I
think
you
know
that's
something
else.
We
need
to
look
as
you
know.
If
they
don't
have
it,
they
can't
smoke
it.
Then
it's
less
likely
it's
going
to
be
disposed
on
public
property,
where
a
child
may
get
a
hold
of
it.
So
it's
not
just
what's
in
the
air,
we're
also
looking
at
what
they
can
come
in
contact
with.
You
know,
so.
I
I
think
it's
great
that
they're
looking
at
it.
M
Just
real,
quick,
something
that
we've
been
trying
to
do
with
ordinances
is
pull
the
fine
amounts
out
of
them
and
put
those
through
as
resolutions.
So,
if
you
want
to
change
the
dollar
amount,
you
don't
have
to
go
to
the
whole
ordinance
process.
It's
just
something.
That's
been
looked
at
and
we've
been
trying
to
do
so,
just
a
thought
that
if
we
can
do
that
as
a
resolution,
so
you
can
change
it's
a
lot
easier
to
change.
It.
M
B
B
B
L
O
B
O
Can
kick
them
out,
though
we
can,
if
we
they,
we
are.
If
we're
repeatedly
going
up
to
them
and
asking
them
not
to
to
smoke,
we
have
asked
them
to
leave
or
if
we
get
multiple
complaints
from
the
same
person,
you
know
about
the
same
person
or
we'll
show
them
where
we'll
direct
them,
where
to
go
where
they
can
go
off
property.
It's
there's
a
bench
and
I'll.
O
O
P
B
So
so
I
think
to
councilor
piazza's
point
I,
think
I,
and
this
isn't
a
criticism
of
the,
whereas
is
because
they're,
not
they
weren't,
really
reviewed,
but
to
somehow
modify
that
to
include
the
intent
of
protecting
from
you
know,
trash
that
people
might
drop
or
sure
product
that
people
might,
instead
of
it
just
being
about
secondhand
smoke,
because
to
me
it
being
just
about
secondhand
smoke.
The
rest
of
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
me
and.
O
I
P
B
O
B
Know
well,
we've
discussed
smoking
in
the
park
before
because
I
I
have
stopped
people
I've
told
people
to
stop
smoking,
especially
at
the
beach
at
the
beach
I
feel
like
it's
so
egregious
because
it
travels
across
the
entire
Beach
because
of
the
breeze,
and
it's
really
just
as
a
non-smoker
and
I've
never
smoked
and
I
don't
enjoy
the
smell.
It's
really
frustrating
when
people
stand
under
the
no
smoking
sign
and
smoke
cigarettes
I
just
like
it,
but
I
think
again,
it's
smart
to
get
out
ahead
of
it.
So
that's
good!
O
B
P
B
P
P
L
P
B
Any
other
questions
on
this,
so
we
actually
have
two
things
to
move
separately,
so
the
first
one
is
specific
to
this
year's
grants
that
we
need
to
accept
and
then
the
second
one
is
going
to
be
the
mayor's
authorization
for
future
signing
of
the
documents
related
to
Grant
receiving
grants.
Does
that
make
sense?
So
we'll
take
a
motion
for
the
first
one
to
accept
this?
B
B
I
have
a
motion
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye,
any
knees.
Abstentions,
motion
carries
and
then
for
the
next
motion
to
allow
mayor
Hedrick
to
authorize
and
to
execute
and
deliver
all
the
documents
for
a
future
of
such
grants.
I'll
take
a
motion
to
move
that
to
the
mayor
council,
meeting
of
December
5th
2022.
so.
P
A
B
B
We
always
vote
on
this
two
times
we
vote
on
it
to
accept
the
Grant,
and
then
we
vote
on
it
to
allow
the
mayor
to
sign
for
the
grant
and
to
sign
other
documents,
because
those
other
documents
aren't
prepared.
Yet
until
we
accept
the
grant.
So
this
is
voting
so
that
we
don't
have
to
authorize
it
after
those
documents
that
we
already
know
are
going
to
be
drafted
for
him
to
sign.
We're
voting
for
him
to
be
able
to
sign
those
when
they
come
in.
D
M
Just
looking
at
this,
it
I
believe
what
it
may
be
doing
and
again
I'm
just
looking
at
it
briefly.
Now
is
the
first
one
is
allowing
them
to
apply
for
the
grant
and
then
the
second
one
is
if
they
are
awarded
the
grant
it
allows
the
mayor
to
execute
the
grant.
Documents
is
what
I'm
thinking
is
the
reason
for
the
two,
but
not
positive
on
that.
B
B
B
B
B
B
M
The
second
resolution
under
the,
whereas
in
order
for
the
city
ground,
to
be
able
to
apply
for
Grants
authorization,
is
necessary
to
be
granted
to
the
mayor
and
city
of
Groton
to
make
applications
for
these
grants.
So
it
is
any
other
grants
through
that
that
agency
it
appears
to
be
which
I'm
not
sure,
which
are
the
ones
you
apply
for.
P
D
B
Right
so
this
would
it
I
mean
the
way
I
read
it
and
I
think
what
fine
instructor
yuha
said
is.
This
would
allow
the
mayor
to
sign
once
we've
authorized
applying
for
the
grant
we
wouldn't
have
to
for
this
specific
agency.
We
wouldn't
have
to
then
authorize
him
to
sign
it.
We
would
just
have
to
vote
one
time
instead
of
two
I.
B
G
What
I'm
looking
at
is
it
was
it
you
know,
maybe
just
that
counter
Sheffield
might
have
just
caught
something
I
I
think
this
is
still
specific
to
this
grant.
I
wouldn't
think
that
it's
every
grant
for
the
Department
of
emergency
service
and
public
protection,
because
there's
been
other
grants
of
this
there's
been
other
grants
of
not
specific
to
this
that
we've
received
from
from
the
Department
of
Homeland
Security
of
Homeland
Security.
So
maybe
it
was
just
reworded
to
not
specifically
talk
about
this
grant.
G
Particularly
you
see
what
I'm
saying,
because
if
we're
going
to
do
this
with
Department
of
Homeland
Security,
we
can
do
this
with
every
agency
that
that
comes
to
from
the
government
or
whatever
else
and
just
leave
it
blanket
like
a
blanket.
Does
it
see
what
I'm
saying,
because
we've
gotten
a
lot
of
things?
Why
is
this
specific
just
to
this
I
think
I'm,
thinking
that
the
way
it
was
written
up
was
meant
for
us
to
understand
that
it
was
for
this
and.
G
Way,
it's
written
that
more
broad.
That
Ron
said
is
that
well
essentially
it's
it's
written
that
pretty
much
anything
you
know
so
I
think
it's
maybe
just
rewording
what
this
is
saying
and
then,
maybe,
though
it
does
put
us
to
a
further
discussion
that
yeah
we
do
want
to.
We
do
want
to
look
at
who
we're
accepting
things,
but
if
it's
a
government
entity
right,
maybe
we
should
just
automatically
you
know,
leave
it
up
to
the
mayor
to
go
ahead
and
approve
it.
It
shouldn't
have
to
come
to
us.
B
I
think
maybe
that's
a
discussion
for
the
December
5th
meeting,
but
in
order
to
accept
this
grant
I
don't
see
any
reason
why
we
can't
move
still
move
it
to
the
December
5th
meeting,
but
I
think
that's
a
question.
Maybe
for
that
meeting,
whether
or
not
we
want
to
make
this
more
specific
or
more
broader
or
what
does
that
make
sense?.
M
B
D
B
It
it
well
yes,
so
I
think
that
it
will
be
more
clear
when
the
mayor
explains
it,
but
we
still
will
have
to
vote
on
applying
for
the
grant
and
accepting
the
grant.
This
second
motion
authorizing
the
mayor,
I
think
the
thought
was
maybe
that
it
seems
redundant
because
we're
already
voting
on
applying
for
the
grant.
Obviously,
if
we're
voting
to
apply
for
the
grant,
we're
going
to
vote
to
have
the
mayor
sign
the
agreement
to
receive
the
grant,
but
I
think
there's
no
reason
why
we
in
the
in
the
December
5th
meeting.
B
D
Well,
I
mean
we
could
certainly
vote
on.
The
first
president
was
already
stipulates
mayor
hedrin
to
authorizing.
So
that's
that's
already,
given
it's
the
second
one
to
where
exclude
all
agreements
which
we
don't
know.
You
know
we
weren't
privy
to
additional
agreements
or
grants
coming
moving
forward.
Then
that's
something
different,
so
I
could
see
moving
forward
one
and
tabling
the
other
to
get
more
clarification.
Well,.
B
We
don't
need
a
table
of
motion
because
it's
not
in
mayor
and
council
meeting
we're
voting
on
the
motion
specifically,
but
this
this
second
motion
we
already
voted
on
the
first
motion.
This
second
motion
is
specific
to
the
Department
of
Homeland
or
Emergency
Services
Public
protection,
Homeland
Security,
it's
specific
to
the
grants
that
our
Police
Department
applies
for
under
that
provision.
Council
McCabe.
H
B
Does
seem
it
does
seem
redundant?
Even
you
know
that
mayor
Keith
had
to
be
authorized
to
sign
such
a
document.
It
does
seem
a
little
redundant
I
think
that,
like
I
said
we
can
amend
it
at
the
December
5th
meeting.
If
we
don't
move
it
to
the
December
5th
meeting,
then
it
pushes
that
this
process
off
and
we
obviously
are
accepting
this
grant.
We
want
to
accept
the
grant.
That's
the
intent,
so
I
would
say,
bring
your
questions
or
or
email
the
mayor.
B
L
Q
Q
However,
entities
that
operate
in
a
municipal
environment
such
as
the
MDC
CMAC
Groton
utilities
very
often
do
need
to
Lobby
to
help
discuss
with
politicians
and
elected
representatives
different
things
that
go
on
to
represent
our
customers,
and
there
are
laws
that
go
through
that
do
affect
rates
and
things
such
as
that
plus.
We
good
supporters
of
different
things
that
happen
on
the
waterfront.
That
often
you
know
we,
the
lobbyists
will
say
they
this
these
things
are
going
through.
Do
you
support
them
and
go?
Oh?
Q
L
Q
Actually
came
to
the
Utility
Commission
meeting
and
made
a
presentation
and
had
a
discussion
with
them
for
a
while
at
the
meeting.
We've
never
done
that
at
this
level.
He,
but
that's
what
this
service
is
for.
The
price
hasn't
changed
in
several
years
now
and
it's
an
annual
January
1st
through
the
end
of
the
calendar
year
and
we
do
budget
it
each
year.
I
G
Q
G
That's
what
I'm
talking
about
in
different
things
like
that,
so
it
may
not
be
find
it.
It
wouldn't
particularly
be
a
financial.
You
know
what
the
lowest
bidder,
because
that
doesn't
mean
that
you're
retaining
high
quality
services
with
I
mean
this-
is
it's
different
than
getting
work
done
in
the
building
right
right.
M
When
you,
when
you
put
out
or
like
that,
be
an
RFQ
request
for
qualifications-
and
you
would
you
would
score
it
and
it
wouldn't
be,
the
fee
would
be
a
part
of
it,
but
that
may
only
be
10
of
your
scoring
piece
of
it.
It
may
be
their
experience,
the
the
history
that
you've
had
with
them
and
taken
just
their
proposal
in
general
that
so
there
could
be
a
lot
of
different
things
that
you
factor
into
it.
It
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
just
Financial
based.
B
I
I
was
just
going
to
say:
I
would
think
something
like
lobbying
would
be
if
you
are
unsatisfied
with
their
work
product
but
I
know,
there's
been
a
few
things
in
the
legislature
in
the
last
couple
years
that
I've
looked
into
that
the
lobbyist
has
been
involved
in,
like
informing
us,
keep
us
informed
of
what's
going
on
and
we
have
a
relationship
with
them.
So
I
would
think
that
it
would
probably
harm
the
utility
to
switch
lobbyists
too.
You
wouldn't
necessarily
want
to
keep
bidding
that
out,
because
that
relationship
forms
over
time.
B
Q
He
also
knows
the
story
lines
of
things
that
we've
been
involved
with
with
us
and
gu
and
cmec
have
been
involved
with,
and
he
he
keeps
a
continuity
in
that
when
someone
in
the
legislature
thinks
about
Groton,
they
actually
reach
out
to
mark
whether
it's
related
to
usually
just
about
the
utility,
but
it
could
be
related
to
other
things.
They
know.
Mark
represents
Us
in
that
continuity,
helps
us
in
the
communication
flow.
I
I
understand
all
the
functionality
of
it.
What
the
function
of
it
is
the
purpose
of
it,
I'm
just
going
back
to
understanding.
So
it
sounds
like
what
you'd
stated
is
that
what
we
actually
bid
on
is
a
qualification
card.
Do
you
how
many
checks
do
you
get
that?
Well,
this
doesn't
fall
underneath
a
bid.
This
is
a
retention
or
service
that
we
pay
for
and
we'll
just
present
it
to
you.
A
M
I
Yeah
because
I
was
just
looking
at
the
bit
because
it
was
brought
up
first
that
well
we
we
bid
when
we
first
started
using.
We
bid
for
this
LLC
and
now
we're
not
bidding
so
I
just
didn't
know
where
that
changed.
That's
all
and
then
earlier
we
were
talking
about
bidding
that
we
actually
get
three
and
why
hadn't.
A
B
B
M
B
B
Q
Q
B
B
B
Q
And
annually
we
we
renew
our
Harris
or
north
star
billing
and
customer
service
system.
We
call
it
the
CIS
System
customer
information
system.
When
anyone
calls
into
customer
service,
they
dial,
4
000,
someone
picks
up
you'll,
say
your
name,
they'll
type,
your
name
in
and
your
account
your
your
account.
Q
Will
pop
up
in
front
of
the
customer
service,
rep
and
they'll,
be
able
to
check
into
your
billing,
see
how
many
times
you've
called
what
issues
you've
had
and
all
that
so
it
and
it's
the
system
that
generates
the
bills
so
and
the
bills
are
custom
done
at
the
utility
and
printed
there
before
they
mail
out.
So.
L
I
I
I
So
they
said
oh
we're
working
on
it
and
it's
been
like
six
months
or
so
and
when
I
came
actually
to
I
came
in
person
just
recently,
I
was
like
oh
yeah,
I'm,
just
paying
and
then
I'll
ask
him
about
it
and
it
kind
of
came
across
like
it
wasn't
going
to
be
done,
like
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
access
it.
I
can
access
my
account,
but
I
can
actually
look
at
the
payments
per
se.
I
You
see
be
able
to
look
at
your
history
of
payments
and
so
on
and
so
on
and
that's
basically
the
answer.
I'm
getting
is
first,
it
was
working
on
it
and
then
no,
no,
no,
that's
not
that's
not
going
to
be
a
service.
That's
going
to
be
provided
basically
anymore
and
I.
Didn't
understand
the
reason
behind
that
I'm.
Q
Not
sure
about
rolling
into
the
future,
because
Harris
is
in
the
process
of
doing
a
a
backbone
upgrade
from
the
core
to
the
system.
Up
so
I'm
pretty
sure
that's
going
to
change
the
old
system
where
we
used
to
allow
you
to
log
in
like
that,
had
a
security
glitch
and
it's
one
of
the
reasons
that
they're
upgrading
the
system
from
the
ground
up
is
there's
a
for
lack
of
a
better
term.
There's
an
add-in
that
was
not
a
secure
secure
and
it
could
allow
a
path
into
the
core
Network.
A
I
Can
type
in
your
account
number
and
you
can
it'll
tell
you
what
you
owe
or
you
have
a
credit
or
whatever.
So
what
I
did
is
I
came
here
and
I
said?
Is
it
possible?
I
could
get
my
bills
and
she's
out
guys
I
asked
from
January
and
she
was
kind
enough
to
print
those
out
for
me,
but
I
mean
just
to
avoid
that
step,
but
it's
something
I
could
have
done
at
home.
If
I
wanted
to
print
it,
I
could.
But
I
was
just
you
know
before
I
thought.
I
Q
J
B
Q
So
when
they
set
it
up
all
the
breakers,
the
relays
and
controls
have
to
be
tested
to
be
sure
all
the
wires
are
connected
correctly
and
then
be
tested
to
be
sure
they
trip
as
designed
at
the
appropriate
settings.
So
they
do
the
settings
and
make
sure
that
the
settings
are
validated
and
then
they
actually
do
a
test
to
make
sure
it
happens.
B
Any
questions
on
this
I'll
just
say:
I
took
a
tour
with
Josh
rarig
of
a
lot
of
the
utility
projects
and
just
watching
the
interaction
we
between
different
vendors
for
the
same
project.
We
he
took
me
on
a
tour
of
one
of
the
places
and
on
our
way
back,
we
had
to
move
out
of
the
way
for
this
vendor
and
this
vendor
came
in
to
do
their
part.
B
B
I
Q
Seen
them
we
use
phaser,
basically
to
validate
all
the
substation
equipment
in
the
substations,
and
once
you
we've
actually,
as
recently
is
within
the
two
years,
we
had
a
competitor,
a
phaser
come
in
to
try
them
out,
and
we
ended
up
re,
bringing
phaser
back
in
to
redo
the
work
on
a
much
smaller
job.
The
quality
wasn't
there
and
when
you're
you're
dealing
with
the
voltages
and
everything
dealing
in
the
substations,
the
substation,
we
call
them
the
substation
guys
the
substation
guys
do
not.
They
know
when
they're
dealing
with
a
quality
person.
Q
They
know
when
they're,
not
they
know.
When
someone
comes
in
and
then
they
can
trust
them
to
say,
geez
I'm,
not
I'm,
really
not
comfortable,
that
this
is
working
correctly.
They
want.
We
need
them
to
tell
us
that
truthfully,
so
that
we
can
get
another
opinion
replace
the
gear.
If
it's
old
or
anything
like
that
in
phasers,
the
only
one
that
we've
found.
That
really
does
it
well
lately
we
they
helped
rebuild
one
of
the
Transformers
after
another
vendor
screwed
it
up.
I
Right
and
I
get
all
that.
So
if
we
always
say
okay,
we're
gonna
use
these.
Oh,
so
these
we
don't
have
to
bid
on
them.
These
are
the
plates
we're
going
to
use
blah
blah,
but
the
mics
blah
blah.
So
this
one,
even
though
these
are
the
best
mics
and
we've
used
them
for
25
years,
are
we
still
responsible
to
say
we
need
to
do
three
bids?
That's
what
that's!
Basically,
what
I'm
asking
I
agree
to
keep
valuable
high
quality
people
and
services
and
vendors,
but
are
what
is
the?
I
Q
I
B
B
B
M
I
I
What's
the
history
behind
that
we
went
with
B
because
they're
cheaper,
we
went
with
B
because
we
were
happy
with
a
blah
blah
blah,
so
I'm,
looking
at
sometimes
we're
bidding
and
sometimes
we're
not
so
I
want
to
be
a
responsible
counselor
to
know
that
I'm
walking,
Step,
A,
B
and
C
that
I'm
required
to
to
know
and
I'm
required
to
follow.
That's
all
I'm
asking.
C
Q
Q
I
Send
you
a
copy
of
it
to
save
so
we're
going
to
use
these
people
because
we
have
these
this
many
faces,
so
we're
going
to
use
it
all.
You
know
they're
going
to
do
phase
one
phase,
two
phase,
three
as
an
example,
and
we
and
it
was
voted
on
yes
and
then,
in
the
meantime,
we're
going
to
die
and
we're
going
to
bring
it
to
council
so
that
verbiage
was
in
there
we'll
bring
it
to
council
that
we
preferred
them
to
continue
with
this
or
we
have
to
shift
or
whatever
it
is.
B
M
B
M
G
I
just
want
so
so
so
actually
what
this
is
actually
the
process
like
for
that,
so
he's
come
all
the
directors
come
into
Council.
In
my
experience
he's
coming
to
council
and
these
questions
that
any
of
us
have,
whether
it's
we
can
ask
those
questions:
okay,
why?
Why
wasn't
there
a
bid
and
they
either
vote?
Yes,
no
or
you
abstained,
and
it's
simple
as
that.
B
E
B
M
For
the
September
30th,
the
first
quarter
at
the
last
mayor
council
meeting
so
I
know
we're
now
at
nine
o'clock.
I
can
give
you
a
very
quick
overview
like
down
the
general
fun
side.
Everything
is
pretty
much
consistently.
The
account
Center
below
the
percent
remaining
are
all
just
based
on
timing
of
one-time
payments
City
day
the
summer
program.
So
there's
nothing
that
is
really
out
of
line
from
year
to
date
on
the
general
fund
side.
M
Again,
if
you
anybody
has
questions
on
any
of
these
and
they
wanted
to
shoot
an
email,
that's
fine
as
well,
but
there's
really
nothing
on
the
general
front
side
and
then
the
utilities.
Everything
is
pretty
much
the
same
as
the
first
end
of
the
first
quarter.
If
you
want
me
to
go
through
them,
I
will
it's
up
completely
up
to
the
council
or
if
you
have,
if
you
don't
want
to
go
through
them,
and
you
have
questions
and
you
want
to
send
them.