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City of Groton, CT municipal meeting - Mayor & Council: January 22, 2018.

A

Remember I said a mil is about a million won and in dollars revenue, revenue or expenses. We have several million dollars of projects that should be done on the WPC, a that aren't being done, because we don't want to raise taxes. That's a situation that we're in them so I'm, not trying to say that we're dire and everything is going to fail. We're gonna have debris everywhere, I'm, not saying that I'm not creating a crisis. What I'm saying is I'm moving this over to the utility.

A

You know, because there's money, this Senate, that's going to go to set aside that money is going to be, is going to be allowed to use that money for infrastructure projects, which is what we've been talking about. Doing maintaining our infrastructure. We've been talking about this for years. So that's the purpose of what we're trying to do. If you were some of you, you've been around.

A

Probably we've been around the longest, not probably because you were here before I got here, but it was on one of my committees like six years ago to look at non-taxable sewer rates for non-taxable amenities, and we started looking at that with Roger to the council. We had several questions on it. Against said back to the drawing board, the decision was made to go across the board with it there are going to be some people that I'm going to need to talk to.

A

There are organizations that aren't used to paying a fee that will now pay fees. There are, for example, there some churches, riverfront Yukon, Avery, point those guys use water, they're, non-taxable amenities, now they'll be paying a fee, but for most residential customers it should be close to a wash or you may see it actually go down. That's what I think I know based on our studies and what we found so far. Councillor Carter all.

B

Right, so even based off what you said, I mean it seems to me that we're wrong we're talking to us property owners and not as people who read because right now, it's the rate, the sewage is coming out of taxes trucked. So if your rented in during a four bedroom or for like a multi-family, no riilu somebody the property owners paying that tax.

C

B

Now it was for families that who maybe the last two or three years they've been having the same or same rental fee for the last three four or five years, and then maybe you want let go mana tiller, monetarily not set. You know, that's gonna affect them.

B

It like you well.

C

B

Admission $30.00, like thirty dollars to most homeowners, you're right, that's not much, but somebody who might would be receiving a subsidy sure thirty dollars could be a car people. Well.

A

And there's different, so you have two scenarios right. You have a scenario where everything is included in your rent and then and scenario where your rent and then you're paying for utilities right.

B

Dusty, yes, so.

A

Those are the two scenario: our water and.

B

Utilities, what but but you're saying that this would either way would be added. The sewage is one thing and then your utilities, the regulates. What does this full separate thing? That's correct! That's separate right like so. It's almost most most popular that these bed rent that most homeowners, they don't they. They just pay that early and that's my one question. Well, that's my one thing. The second thing I was gonna say is when it goes to a a user based rate.

B

That's almost certainly gone, forced the hand of whoever does one a multi-family or a duplex. Now as a property owner they're, almost certainly gonna give that added cost to the D I do ever whoever.

B

And that's that's and then the other thing is with the tax, beast and I know and I know it's just sort of thing. Another thing we're you guys are receiving that money tax basis you're getting that almost certainly so now, when you go to a user based rate, do you add that user or that residential as at a whole new account now? Is that a whole new account someone who's receiving the subsidy? Somebody may not o be financially set? Is that a whole new account.

D

B

So so so, right now right now we have a four-bedroom house, our full metal, multi-family house right right now, we're you guys receive those funds due taxes, cuz it's it's a set fee for the sewage and that's it correct.

B

But you received that you see them saying like you received it okay now, when we switch over to the other proposed way where it's a user based right now, do you open up four separate accounts as a utility.

E

B

Who's paying that, though, is the property owner paying that.

E

B

So now what that's it now, whatever rate we set like in that's produced its own another point now, if they have the whole V whoever's renting, paying that right and there's a citrate, the wall bus, that's even more so somebody like you know, I mean like speak for myself. I could pay 30 bucks 30 dollars, you know, I got hurt me so might at least received a subsidy. He was now in a multi-family house. There was they're paying the same as much much as money as I'm, paying no.

F

B

Off it usage, correct, coos, yeah.

G

B

Also uses you know, um I just I, just think that it's it's, it could be I, think we're.

A

Looking at right now, you may have people that are using the services that aren't paying for the services right.

G

A

Well, you kind of every point: that's true non taxable entities, there's non-taxable name.

B

I'm not even talking okay, but if.

A

Your renters, your renters, are either paying or they're not paying right. So if, if they're renters right now that the homeowner pays the taxes, yes.

B

I'm saying yep so.

A

Hopefully, if the rent, if the homeowner smart enough, then part of their rent goes to cover those taxes right.

B

Part of their reticles, the.

A

Part of somebody's rent whoever's in that's in that space is covering for the cost of the place, the the taxes and everything else right that they're paying for I.

B

Mean I see you're talking about a proper property owner properly. You say the partners putting that inside inside the I see what you're saying but.

H

B

I think what are you saying is right.

H

Now I have a three family, so I get all the bills for it and I get one of them is included in the house meter. So I pay that bill. But if that tenant uses a ton of electricity, I'm gonna increase his rent, the sewer usage I, don't currently see so I don't charge extra when they use more transfers, but no.

I

H

Mean I I incremental increase it I review every year and increase but I. What he's saying is a regular homeowner. Now is gonna, get a sewer bill and go. Oh crap I have to pay this and they're gonna pass that cost directly on to the tenants, because now they're, seeing it more visibly that's what he's trying.

B

But you're saying sure of what we were talking, those I mean. That's that's I, know people that.

A

The part of the youth that part of the purpose of user fees is for fairness.

C

B

Lack of a better term we're not seeing the same point I think.

G

We're not can I address this I think what was what councillor Carter is saying is: currently you have a rental of property and off the top. You know the landlord is charging X amount instead of that, most potentially instead of a landlord saying: okay, now I'm paying less on my taxes, I'm gonna cut my rental, the rents gonna stay the same, and that fee is now going to go on to.

B

The person who's renting that.

A

B

I guess it depends.

A

On how your rip see just.

I

A

We don't, but we don't know what.

B

It breakdown of the red side really because there's two ways: the only thing I'm saying: listen: I'm, not saying I'm, saying even based off of me, bringing that off: that's something that they think about I think we have to all think about. We have to think about. Everybody I think we're thinking of the rich of people who ever think we have to think of people who rent and not own properties, I think the way. What's your name, I missed that mister named Dave Dave. So even the fact that Dave when he mentioned $30, that's nothing.

B

What I'm saying is I know people the $30 is something.

D

Over double inflation- and there are some sections of the population for each one of those utilities to have a difficult anger lawyer in service.

D

There are programs that you can, you can implement and the portability programs somebody's going to have to pay tip.

B

Tip and you, if.

D

You put an affordability program, there's a lot and this completely sever discussion.

B

On yeah that I understood and I worked in it in the beautiful.

D

Mennonite and affordability program: first of all, I we got to talking console.

E

C

D

Something that you do.

C

D

If you don't charge somebody for service that mean your bills, don't.

H

Decrease or that amount of somebody.

D

Else is going to have to take that deal.

J

And what we're trying to accomplish here.

D

By implementing user charge is having equity in the system. I realize that that's going to potentially put additional economic burden on some customers, I can't I, don't think it's the responsibility of facilities to say what a landlord should be doing with their bills. They it's the property owner that receive the water bill right now, it's a property only W receiving the sewer. You would think that by the property owners, taxes most likely or it's going to decrease or what it would benefit, the superuser sewer now who's still in there.

D

The taxes are going to go down and yes, they're going to be receiving a new sewer charge. I can't say whether that's gonna be more or less than deduction in their taxes.

B

There should be some sort of awesome and I understand that and I understand, putting the may make sense to put that into the utility I get that you know, but I think putting two utility and how it's paid for is two separate things. That's what I think and I think that just bringing the question was whether people were rent or own the property. You know, there's they still have to say in the matter. There's still, you know, there's still the stole repairs because they pay their utilities. You know that's, you know so.

B

I I, just simply bringing it up and asking if you thought about that, you know as far as you.

D

Know, questions in the industry in terms of affordability, providing economic assistance to customers is the conundrum.

J

D

What you do for rental profits, it's incredibly difficult weekend, adventures because you're not sending them a correct bill. If you're not sending those records and direct bill, how can you provide them economic assistance on their? You can't just one idea canal with utility for printing vouchers, full directors that they could give to their their property owners, and that was their council shot that down quickly. So we can't curricula section pretty much do that. It's really difficult, almost impossible, provide assistance to a customer. If you're, not if you're not getting done the director.

D

How do you do there are things.

B

Like I said I'm totally on board, you know with what you guys are saying, but I saw I also know a ton of people that it could potentially affect I was is bringing the question huh and I, don't think. Certainly I, don't think you know I mean I. Think now you know where else to turn off most I didn't think before it's clear what I was saying but I'm, not against anything I get what you're saying you know. I just know.

K

B

Not gonna, be it's not gonna, be so nicely cut. Well, what's it's implemented when people are just receiving bills? You know you know that possibly campaign and there's.

B

A

Of the things we're gonna be doing is this: this starts the massive outreach program that we're doing we're gonna start campaigning on it, not campaigning we're gonna start marketing this talking about it and explaining what's going on, there will be a public hearing on this. We may even include a public meeting or a public information session before we have the public hearing. If we think we need to do that, we're going to be talking about this a lot between now and budget time, counselor shefte, yeah,.

K

Follow up with a counselor Carter yeah you, you know, you see the rollover effect that could take place with this by the landlord against the tenant. If, let's say it's, you know they've got. We hope that it's stipulated in the rental agreement, but of course there's no, you know no guarantee. That could happen. So I think counsel card is probably looking for some kind of protection. You.

B

Know what I know what's gonna happen? I was what you talked about something you know you need to mention that so.

L

My question is for.

L

Just to clarify my my thinking: does the utilities require the owner of the property? Is he responsible for the water charges currently.

E

E

First of all, my name is Tina damage on the general manager customer service, so the water always stays in the landlord's name, because water is Alena Bowl entity so that the water does not get paid between the property most of the landlords. Few servers and grab utilities the water bill actually a second copy. The water bill goes to the tech. Yes,.

L

But the owner is responsible.

E

A

G

Throw the cash for risk. Thank you, okay, can I fellow, but that would sewer then fall in that same category.

E

You could take the sewer in the sewer would just go on the utility bill that goes to live. Was a house leader or whatever.

E

G

I'm more confused about stories, so the water, but.

E

G

For clarification, because I'm not getting this, the water bill automatically goes to the landlord to the homeowner and then can also go to assignment. But it has to go to the homeowner.

E

G

Can go to the tenant also, so the sewer bill will have to go also to the homeowner and then can go to the tenant.

B

M

E

Two ways: one yes,.

G

E

That the sewer should be on the water bill. Second, is their ability for me to build a sadness that much super bill? Yes, okay,.

F

E

Because it's another service, it's just, he does appeal to service. It's no different than your. How is your water and electrical zone, one bill or.

G

E

Up if it's a rental, the electricals a year, the water goes here, so it's just you're pulling that service off and.

L

It would make sense to me that the sewer usage would go with the water usage, because that's how the sewer usage is going to be measured.

C

Right, correct.

G

You're gonna continue and in the future, can we get some sort of idea of how much this tax deduction is going to be I'm, not sure who that would come from so that we can say to our to the residents. You know this is how much you will theoretically save on your taxes. This is what you should see coming off your taxes for this line. Item.

D

Exact reduction dates for an ethical customer.

D

G

I feel like there are questions that we're not even thinking of that our customers are gonna, have a million of so I'm gonna encourage everybody out there. Please contact me if you've got questions that you want me to ask, and the first public hearing isn't until April. Well,.

A

The public hearing is not until April, but we may have public sessions before then based on questions and.

A

Interaction with constituents as they contact us I'm.

G

Currently very favorable with this I mean I, understand, there's a lot of questions and concerns I, like the fact, though, that you pay for what you use and I think when we talk about elderly in our community, this is so much more equitable than what the firm system is. So thank you for your work. I know this is a lot.

M

Mi casa service site, in each case, the goal rate across the board would not have any body subsidizing anyone else. It's a true cost of what the services run through the receiver of those services, whether it be a large industrial.

N

M

It be school whether it be tax free from the utilities perspective, the goal and every single one of these studies was to bring actual costs all the way through the system and have everybody pay their fair share, but not more, not less. That's the goal that actually every cost of service that we did and the goal was, is that where we do take a say, large customer that we're negotiating with we say listen, this is what it costs. It's really not fair to have the residential people pay for this. For you or looking.

M

This is what your costs. It's not either another someone else subsidizing in that manner of.

M

It's really no discussion of negotiation.

M

Cards, this is what the costs are. This is what they are.

H

Live another question: yes,.

A

H

Has it been discussed with the current the current non-taxable entities has this? Have we gotten any feedback from them? Nope.

A

That's that's part of the on the timeline. One of the things I'm going to start in February is I'm going to Yukon every point, talk to them and I'm going to talk to some of my churches and some of the and say riverfront the bill. The bills that I've seen have been. They don't look like they're that big, but if you're not used to paying anything and suddenly you got to pay something, then that's going to be a challenge, but I am to reach out to them.

A

F

A

One of the, if you well the way this started was six years ago we talked about looking for revenue streams and one of the things that we identified is that non-taxable amenities, not just nonprofits but non-taxable amenities, which included state the city of the town, were using water and not paying anything for it. They didn't pay taxes. So could we do user fees and that's how this whole thing started and then eventually it more for lack of a better term into?

A

Let's look at moving the WPC, a from the you from the municipality to the utility and applying it across the entire rate based structure, and that's where we are today any other questions on this. Okay. I would like to get your consensus to continue to move forward, so we can work on the budgets, so we can get started even though there are some questions that you.

G

Will have yes mayor I can ask one more question: how will this affect Westside.

K

That's the well.

A

That's the town it may be boarded in is.

G

It it sounds to be property, though, so it would be. Is it town, property.

K

G

That's my question. Thank you that was it. Okay, I should have known that, but.

F

A

Won't you for those of you that are watching on TV or when you download this. We just had it. You just saw a partial discussion on the sewer use feasibility study. We have. We have presentations on the sewer, utility creation and rape study that is intended to move the WPC, a which we want to push control authority from the municipality to the utility and go from paying for that with taxes to paying for it with the user fees.

A

If you have any questions or if you want to get copies of this, you can come in to the City Clerk's office or you could come into the mayor's office or you can call me at eight six, zero, four, four six, four one, zero three and then we can either answer your questions or get you copies of this presentation we will have. We will continue to have presentations. We will continue to discuss this.

A

The intent of the whole thing it. The reason we're doing it now is because we are preparing budgets. What I did not want to do is to have a budget, and then you pay taxes and then turn around later in the fiscal year and start a user fees. So what we're trying to do is we are preparing the budgets at the same time, so the utilities will prepare an electrical water and a sewer fee.

A

Subtraction sewer budget Municipality will prepare the budget without the sewer fees so that pretty much wraps it up back to my question with my question with the council: do I have permission to continue moving forward in this direction. We can still stop at a later date if this, if you, if you as the council, feel that this is not the right way to go or we're not answering your questions, but my intent is to get the questions answered so that you are comfortable.

A

Okay, maybe does that answer your question Utilities Director today we're good okay. Thank you.

F

A

Next thing that, thank you, Dave, the next thing that we will talk about is 662, which is a multi jurisdictional, hazardous mitigation plan.

A

First, is that you that's Barbara's out you.

A

Hey, absolutely we'll get you that will get to get a microphone to you.

A

This mitigation plan was originally.

A

Not sure the word that come from the southeastern Connecticut Council of Governments and that's the thing that was sent to you in an email are actually the excerpt was sent to you in an email. We had the inch and a half thick document. If you need to see if you want to see that in the full document, but basically what they're asking us to do is to pass a resolution that we're going to follow that plate and Barbara. Let you film this.

O

Is the update from of the 2012 plan and melona mcbroom was hired by the southeastern Connecticut Council of Governments? They are. The cog was doing an overarching, Hazard Mitigation plan for the entire region under that fell different all the cities and towns within their region. Each got their own individual. They call it an annex I'm, not sure why but an individual plan. So what you got was this, which is thick enough, but you can imagine what the ginormous overarching one with all the communities is. They came through.

O

They met with myself, Tim Carl, the police chief, who is our emergency officials fire department and took a look at things we had done in the interim 2012 to now some of the hazards we face things like flooding, both inland and coastal.

O

Earthquakes, high wind events, things like that natural hazards that are created rather than millstone blowing up.

O

These are natural hazards and they went through the 2012 and developed this plan and basically, what it does is assess where we've been since 2012, what we've done to address it, which things are still germane, which things are not which things have we've mitigated to the point where we've done the best we could, with our resources that we have and in you the report you have from I think it's 11 on our the series of recommendations and what they did was talk about, which ones we have capability of, addressing which ones we still need to be addressed and which ones are now taken from our hands and in the hands of, for example, every point: that's a state facility and therefore they're in charge of taking a look at their facility, it's no charge of the city.

O

So that's where it sits. It's certainly a reasonable document. It does the best it can with addressing these hazards. No one knows what's going to happen, so we have to be as primed as we can to address what we know will or has in the past, which has been mostly flooding.

A

Any questions, ok with that I need a motion to move this to the mayor and council meeting of 5 February 2018. So second.

F

A

Have a motion a second any just further discussion hearing none I wanna, they would say aye. Those stenches motion carries unanimously. The next one is 663, which is the chip grant acceptance, contract.

O

This is the small harbors Improvement Program, it's a state program. It was we've got approval for this grant back last I. Think June, because we didn't have a state budget at the actual receipted that final bonding authority, what we did until November. We just got authorization that we have fifty four thousand four hundred dollars in a grant. It's going to pay for the engineering and design of a pier and docks at the cost of property, which is what we applied for today.

C

O

Good news, usually just now need to close the loop by signing the paperwork. With this, the contract with the state.

A

Any questions or comments on this.

L

The funding I probably should know this, but I don't recall this is that existing it.

O

Is now it was bond funds that was.

L

O

For the ship program back in two budgets ago from the state but.

L

I thought it was yes just one to refresh the.

A

Challenge the challenges as a bond committee was shut down for a short period of time, and so they were finally allowed to continue, and this has just been approved and that's why we're coming to you now is we want to come to you like watch their weight at the Fox booth flip from the state's that's? Why it says here: Kaspar Depot: did you ever pull I'm? Sorry were.

G

Rich um I just wanted to thank you. I know this has been a long-term project and trying to get I'm really excited that this is moving forward. Well,.

O

The other exciting part of this is the other side. Is the town of Groton also received grant funds through this for the nautilus stock? So that's super exciting, so we're tying a bunch of those loose ends of the Heritage Park together in a nice package, which is good for gras.

O

A

I need a motion to move this to the mayor and council meeting of 5 February 2018. Seventh. Second, any further discussion hearing, none all in favor, say aye aye, post-tensioned motion carries unanimously and, lastly, 664 ordinance amendment a Planning and Zoning, the Zoning Board of Appeal application fees, 664.

A

That the information is in red, that's what was changed.

O

A

O

Nothing has changed.

O

This ordinance was adopted in 2007, said: establishing fees, as part of that was an exemption for city requests to pay for applications. It deals with applications for amendments and site plans and subdivisions, and so on and so forth and I believe. The mayor was approached by a member of a nonprofit that is looking to develop here and wanted to do a text amendment and a site plan and asked for a waiver of the fees as they were a non-profit and you can't leave it first of all. It's not the mayor's authority to waive it.

O

It's the Planning and Zoning Commission and second of all, there was nothing in these in the ordinance to allow that to happen. So I did take it before the when I got the application for the text amendment to allow cultural memorial parklets in our commercial zones. When I got that text amendment for our zoning regulations, it also came with a request for a waiver of those fees, so I've processed that through our Planning and Zoning, Commission and I, explained to them the cost that the taxpayers would have to absorb.

O

If they waive these fees and then the value of waiving them for nonprofits who have limited in and they voted on, Tuesday or Wednesday last to approve the waiver for this particular entity. Oh.

A

Susan so site-specific, not it.

O

Was that application-specific they're going to have to ask again for the site plan application a waiver of that as well? So that's the only mechanism within the ordinance that the council passed in 2007 notice that they have to go before the Planning and Zoning Commission and asked for a waiver of those fees. So.

A

Then, in this case there is their action for the council, no.

O

I was somewhat surprised to see this on. There I think it was done because there was you were asked and you couldn't you.

E

O

Put this on and it's up to the you and the council if you want to proceed with making another exemption and they're automatically for nonprofits, but.

A

The recommendation of the board is no.

O

No, they they recommended approval for that, for.

A

That is that all the time they don't want it, they don't want it across the board. They want to be able to individually, approve or disapprove well.

O

They're allowed to do that under this ordinance. If.

C

O

Ordinance were to change to make a universal exemption for all nonprofits. The Commission would not have that option. They did not ask them to weigh in on the value of the ordinance at the time. I just asked them to weigh in on the waiver that was requested at that moment, because that's all they were asked to do.

L

The service is an existing ordinance that is not going to change, and it's already.

O

In place correct, it's already in place, the exemptions are spelled out and the process for waiving those is also spelled out. So the only way you if you wanted to go further with it, you might want to revisit the ordinance and rewrite that section if you believe that it should be revisited, that's up to you, but there is a mechanism by which a non-profit can ask for a waiver by based on this ordinance.

A

Okay, so basically, this is information along okay, then that's it. Thank you.

A

Let's do Jim come on up we'll. Do your budget first highway budget.

A

That's 668.

A

A

And what is 618.

G

Just the one page or that pages that Turtles well.

A

The entire budget is included.

A

We will get started between.

A

Between Tim and Lannister after you also, we will get through this. Do you? What do you recommend.

P

The workers, comp insurance pension.

P

Those types of things is roughly about 460,000. That's gonna hit just the general that's a projection. Those are we're still working with this. The process of the insurance ah represents that so on those numbers.

A

So yes, well, yes, so this is the front page is just the overall it's a high-level view and then the detail is in the information behind it. Councillor Russell.

G

So, if we're looking at that four hundred and sixty thousand dollars and we're trying to take that out of budgets without raising taxes, what percentage are we looking at trying overall percentage? Are we looking at trying to cut across the board? So if we're looking at last year's budget- and we need to cut four hundred and sixty thousand dollars to to keep taxes the same or to not raise taxes, what percentage do we need to try to cut from every budget?

G

Don't have half the person who's making the budget cut I mean I'm, not trying to line-item things I'm just.

P

Because they go to the town, so we haven't looked at.

A

So what I've asked for the Vesper? Zero are level services, because one of the challenges that we have is that negotiated raises are set at 2% this year. So you have a 2% increase, that's already negotiated, and then you have the $460,000, which is going to be a portion across everybody. Now that also includes the utility.

P

A

I did what never mind.

P

A

Oh, that's worse, so Porter such as bad, as is that ok, good, then, this time right there $26,000 this one is coming is what is coming out of them in this bout. This is one of them. This is not the driving factor, but this is one of the reasons, one of the factors that I wanted to get the WPC a out of the municipality and into the utility so that we have a woman. That's going to give us a little bit of breathing.

A

You have a question in there somewhere.

G

I can tell I, do I just want to make sure I mean, and this I'm sorry Tim that were holding me up. I want to make sure we're not saying we're. Gonna take your you know, taking a step back to the water or the sanitation budget. I, don't want to say we're going to take we're gonna, lower your taxes, but raise your water erase your rates and then turn around, and you know nobody's ever seeing that so I want to try to. You know, keep.

A

Well, let me be: let me be clear that if, if right now, if you do the simple math, if last year's any PCA was about 1.7 million dollars, so if you take that out, that's 1.7 million dollars, but actually you probably be closer to 2 million this year. So you would you would not let's go with the 1.7. You wouldn't see that okay, but we.

G

Still gotta come up with them.

A

See that you wouldn't see it and municipal okay, so that expense would go away, but in replace of that expense you have 460 thousand dollars that you got to cover okay, so that doesn't mean this is where it gets complicated. You move the 1.7 million out, but that doesn't mean you get a 1.7 million dollars from taxes, because now you got to add back into 460 thousand dollars of taxes from the increases in insurance, karma.

A

So, yes, you left the WPC a in in addition to a potential 2% increase based on negotiated sours you'd have four hundred sixty thousand dollars, which is roughly half a mil, so we'd go from five point two two to about five point: seven, two! Maybe five point: seven, five point: seven. Eighty five point: eight something just doing the figures: real quick in my.

P

G

Okay, I think once again, I'm gonna need to see all these numbers on a.

A

Piece of paper to me what extent we're still waiting on the grandmas right, we don't have the grandmas Jeff. So that's a gram, less is the revenues and the expenses or a change. What I'm seeing you are part of this? What I'm, showing you now is.

A

This is the expense side of it and then the revenue side is when we see the the grandmas and then we'll be able to do the full calculation.

G

A

So where do you want to go from here on this on his on this budget?.

P

Paige, just kind of summarize it from snow engineering, look at the bottom line, change of that it's sixty thousand dollars three. Seventy percent increase of that 64,000. This increases based on those insurance pension costs that we just discussed earlier so typical engine actually decreased with Louie. Just based on employees, have been believe absolutely papers of people have asked what in different classifications, so the salaries actually came down, but those other benefits is what is the driver that increase this budget? And you see the capital is reduced from the previous year by 29.

P

So this total budget is only increased by 30.

P

That's kind of just the quick overview. There's all these healthiness.

P

You see most of the planet, they are just kind of stay in static.

N

It's pretty much last year's budget. Once you get past the administration and some of the cost increases and workman's comp and things we had a decrease in equipment asking for 29,000, less and equipment than last year and.

A

I have I have talked to the town they are facing. Similar increases in revenue correction, similar increases in expenses as well. Counselor get Irish good, BW, Mary and Christina's.

L

Boat finance director is there any probably not a good question, but is there any negotiation with with insurance and some of these some of these? These increases that we have no control over, but do we have any control.

P

We should start looking to maybe leave it out. Most of our insurances.

P

Oops, oh it's a it's! A regionally simple snooze counties are in. He still thinks we're, probably better off than if we went to market I know these companies he's been looking into it. There is one piece of equipment, breakdown policy, but other than that. He think he does look at it. We do have them.

P

We're not just these increases unfortunately, is true.

L

G

We're us, and just from the cover sheet, the budget and the actual expenditures from 2017. There was a hundred and forty one, eight, not that wasn't spent, and then the next year we're looking at about almost $90,000 that you're estimating won't be spent with that. Why the increase.

P

G

Sorry, where are we looking.

L

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G

Okay, thank you.

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A

You and we are looking to fill those positions. Okay, sure one of the challenges that we're gonna have is we're probably going to go into the town this year and we will spend less than what we were allocated. What we've asked for last year and that got us into the issue with the mayor, were on the police budget. So I was going to take $50,000.

A

The finance director is also working with Cindy Landry to come up with an MoU so that if we have any overages, you know for you. Instead of that, going back to our general fund, it will probably go into a special revenue fund that it'll be applied to future all right those kind of things so we're looking to be fiscally responsible not only to us but also to the town. Thank you, and we will do that for both highway and for the place. Jasper Sheffield.

K

Oh yeah, how are we doing so far with the snow expenditures so far, this season or weed we're.

N

Not gonna have any more snow, it'll be fine. It's.

C

Guaranteed, that's.

G

A little tight we're.

N

Okay, so okay can.

G

You put that in writing.

A

Any other questions or comments on this is not a lien. A motion to move this to the mayor. Count mayor council meeting at 5:00, February 2018.

A

Second I have a motion of the second any further discussion hearing, none all in favor, say aye opposed abstentions. Motion carries unanimously.

A

Says committee to confer with Town Council on highway funds, a committee of three city councilors shall be appointed annually to confer with the town of Groton Council to determine the amount of money we shall be necessary and proper for the repair for the making, repairing the streets and highways have set down within the limits of the city. During the current fiscal year of the city.

A

Being the fiscal year for highway budget is being determined, the amount of money which shall be necessary and proper for the making of repairing the streets and highways a said town within the limits of the city shall include the amount being set aside for any necessary and proper capital improvements for such purposes. And then it says in the event of a disagreement. The amount shall be determined by a committee of three composed of one of the following and that's where you get into Commissioner of the connected VOT, those kind of things.

A

But what we've done in the past is we've done a committee of three four months and three to them. This says: go to the council, but I'm going to talk to down manager, Burke and Mayor Bennett Oski see how she wants to go so the bottom line is I need three names to be on that: okay,.

G

A

Will be there I'll, be there I'll, be there.

B

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P

A

All right, she Spellman, if you could come up, which is.

J

My instructions from the mayor were to provide a level services budget moving into the next fiscal year, which I believe we've complied with. As a historical overview, last year's request was cut significant speaking with director. You asked for literally 95 cents on the dollar for what we had requested. So in a spreadsheet that was provided to you, you can see where we've been very austere and coming forward. We will have a request overall for five point: three four percent increase.

J

But if you look at our 2018 request versus the 2019 in crest, the request you can see that does it actually at one point six: six, which will give us the level services. We are not immune to the increased costs of benefit and insurance. As you can see, the the increase in that line item in the extended sheet going through. If there's any questions for a line item I to myself, rhetoric to us prepared answer.

A

Would you like to go through this.

P

So we wanted to actually move a person last request that went to the town verse. The new request of the current here totally truly feel what the change was. Does that increase? Look significantly glass covers, so when you go through the first line item is the Chiefs portion of the budget, which is the town does not pay for any course.

P

And then the remaining portion of the police budget, which last year was 404 million 836 this year, is 4 million 907.

P

So our total budget, the chief said my parole request, went through 4.9 million of the over 5 million over 6.

P

And then, if your eyelashes now I'd be going through there, they had the term Untouchables insurance and the capital so kind of just went to that same thought. Processes how we did it so we're backed out the benefits insurance, excluding the Chiefs benefits, which is now at the bottom of general insurance, or just a lose attention, as you can see, it increased just under 10% combined for this benefit. So when you back lose out in the capital last year's request, visitors for best actually live down almost 1%. He take this capital benefit increases.

P

That's where you can truly see that it is a lovely service.

P

And then, when you back the Chiefs portion out again the actual budget as a reduction rate percent from request request.

P

So we're trying to do these comparisons, it's true, so you can see where we were with the request and then after.

P

That you know we do have, we did keep the 173, but that identification see as on proceedings if, for some reason, the budget, the budget production, fifty sustained.

L

And every marriage as I remember. Nonetheless, you the way you just said that they wanted to do an across-the-board reduction of five percent, but it wasn't done fairly toward our budget as opposed to their budget, because it was on our total cost for Police Service, where they're their police budget did not include all services, and so I I'm glad that that we're going to approach that correctly. This.

P

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P

A five percent reduction.

P

A

When they cut $122,000 for two police officers and also the additional $50,000 just because that's what led me to with the old mayor, saying we're going to have an MoU so that unilateral decisions wouldn't be made in the future. We'd be agreed upon in the in the future. And then both parties agree and I've been working with town manager, John, Burke and Ronnie's been working with syphilis. Anybody.

A

Any any other any questions or other questions on the police budget. That I need a motion to move this to the mayor council meeting a 5, February, 2008, sorry, I, can't we have a motion in a second variant. Further discussion hearing, none all in favor, say aye opposed abstentions. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you. Steve thanks chief deputy chief plot to do we're. Gonna go to 669, which is a gambling bingo and raffle ordinance.

A

This is a new item. It's new to you this year, there the state. Well, you know what OSU.

I

Thank you. The ordinance in front of you is a proposed draft ordinance as a result of a law that went into effect as a public act this year to effective January 1. We actually only found out about it, maybe a month prior to its effective date as occurred to a lot of the municipalities in the state. Basically, what's happened is the state was running bingo, raffles and bazaars under a state statute.

I

They have now turned those administration of all of that to the municipalities, in particular under the chief of police, if there's an organized police department or under the manager of the town, if they don't have a face Department in this particular case, we needed to create an ordinance to address some of the rules and regulations concerning bingo and raffles and bazaars, and that's what you're looking at in front of you, it's in particular for tonight.

I

What we need to what I'd like you to take a look at is the fees that are associated with these games.

I

On page 2 you'll see the bingo permit fees either proposed fees depending on the class of bingo class, a B and C, and the amounts of the fees for that for a permit and on the third pages, the desire and raffle permit fees again proposed and as far as the definition of what a Class, A, B and C bingo is that's written out there in the ordinance, as well as the class one through seven for the bazaars and raffles there'll be additions to this.

I

When it comes back to you, which will include, there are regulations that are actually the statute refers to regulations done by consumer protection and with that understanding since talked to the state about that, and we would have to adopt those regulations which are quite lengthy, but they do get into the actual specifics of how to a bingo game is run. How much can be charged for cards all those specific items when it concerns these particular games and.

A

If you look at the attachment to the CCM municipal management bulletin, you'll see that our proposed fees mimic the fees under the Act they're listed in that brochure.

A

Does America.

L

We do all the processing for the permits under this new regulation, correct correct. Do we have to do? We have to have it approved by the state after we do it? No.

I

So long as we're following the state statute and their regulations, then we are fine with that. One of the things occur that you may notice in the in the ordinance is in addition to the permit fees that we would obtain from these organizations. We would also in when it comes to bingo.

I

Under the previous statute, a 5% of the net profit of bingo went to the state. Now it would go to the Nissa Valley, so it would come to us. I was.

L

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I

The state statute says it has to be done within 10 days after a particular game, we've started actually with the Elks who are already doing it turned out their permit. Just our luck permit actually expired. January 1 and the statute said effective, January 1, so we really had to scramble on on this.

I

Luckily John Espada from the Elks who runs the bingo, the air is very knowledgeable and between him and the state people I was talking to we're gonna put together something very quickly and get their application and get their pin numbers in and allow them to operate without having any delay in their in their games.

I

So they've been a big help in this operation. There.

L

Was a time, but this is really not a new thing to municipalities. I can remember some years ago when we had to issue bingo and raffle permits locally.

L

However, at that time they had to be additionally approved by the state right.

I

Yeah, but in talking to the state bids, it's now just being totally.

J

Turned over to us the only.

I

Thing they're going to continue to do is when it comes to the equipment for bingo such as cards or the board or the little balls or whatever they have all that it has to be done purchased by certain companies that have been investigated in the state. We'll continue to do that, I, they also get $2,500 for it. So maybe I'm gonna have something to do with it as well, but yeah they are keeping that portion of it for the time being so we we have to take on the rest of it and.

L

Did do you see you or do you know anything about whether raffles.

I

Bingo is ours no lottery.

G

I

Tickets you're talking.

L

Seal thickets steal.

I

Tickets might come our way right now, there's nothing yet, and that's also a huge undertaking, probably more so than bingo is but as we're hearing rumors that.

A

I

Come to us eventually the municipalities, but on yet you.

A

Explain what a seal ticket is for those of us who they're sure.

I

They're their cards, basically, sometimes they actually have the strips on them and you you purchase a card, you can do it through a vending machine or through the person directly hand to hand- and you know you pay so much for the card and there's a certain amount of money that you can win after you know.

A

You scratch off kind of like that is kind.

I

Of similar to that, okay, coughs.

G

For us, so that I understand this, because this will be the question I get. If schools are looking to do basket raffles the big dough cause, you can't call it about raffle, cuz raffles. You have to get permits for what I'm reading here is that if the total prize doesn't exceed $7,500, you don't need a permit. Mike, no.

I

No, that's not the case, not I, can't you know $5.

O

I

To do with the whether or not they're investigated I don't.

J

See whether or not they should he doesn't get that's.

F

I

Amount of their prizes and what they take it if they reach it, if they, if they'll, adapt it on their application, they put a proposal as to how much they're going to be giving out and if it is over $7,500 and they have to be investigated by us. That's.

C

I

Additional law, unfunded mandate so so.

G

A few of us cool who wants to do a basket raffle? Does that fall under this yeah.

I

There are the wood, it's still charitable, and it would still fall under here and depending on what it is which one they would want to fall under for the 1 through 7, depending on how much, if you take a look at what the defined amounts would define would depend on how much their permit fee would be.

I

Okay under bingo, if it's, on the other hand, for a school that wanted to run a bingo, and there is a separate class for them in regards to for a parent-teacher organization that wants to run a bingo for for one time and it's a little less for them. Thank.

A

You are there any other questions. I think that I need a motion to move this. The mayor and council meeting of 5 February 2018. Some of the motion is second any further discussion. Hearing, none all in favor, say aye opposed same abstention motion carries you ask. Thank you, maybe cheap all right. No, no! No, let's see where we want to go. Next, let's go to 665, which is rotten utilities. Electric rate increase.

Q

Good evening really I'm.

N

Q

Guillard, the general manager of utility finance, throught utility exam Basel- is our.

Q

What I'm going to do was give you a chronology of the events of the leading up to the rate increase and we're where it started. So we the we the grant you to your management and the grant utilities, Utility Commission, hired utility financial solutions to do a cost of service study to determine if whether our rates we're returning the amount of return to the organization to keep the infrastructure going to keep maintenance and so forth at the appropriate level.

Q

So on, October 25th, the principal from ufs, presented the cost of service study to the utility commission in Groton and identified deficiencies in the need for rate increases specifically in the areas of debt coverage ratio, minimum cash requirements and operating income and the Groton Utilities Commission directed utility financial solutions to produce a rate that addresses the deficiencies identified by the cost of service study. Then.

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Q

20Th utility financial solutions presented again to the utility commission, the rates that were directed by them, calling for an overall basic rate increase of 2%, 2% and 1% over the next three years, all to be effective on April 1.

Q

However, through the utilization of the ce mec rate stabilization funds, most of the customers will see a minimal net reduction in their bills, so the rates are redesigned increased. However, the through the rate stabilization funds that we have CMAC the customers won't see an increase. They'll see a minimal decrease in grime on December 27th. There was a notice that was published with the rates in the legal section of the day, setting hearing for January 11th and then on January 11th, the Grant Utility Commission held a hearing.

Q

There was no public in attendance whatsoever and no comments from anyone written or verbal. A special meeting of the Utility Commission, followed immediately after the hearing Angi the Utility Commission approved the rates and recommended that they be accepted by the City Council, which is why we're here tonight that's grant utilities on the Basra, Light and Power side, which.

A

I don't see, are there any questions on the rate increase further before brown utilities, electric rate increase.

A

Can you tell us what the percent is for the three years is in well.

Q

It did the rates themselves in the readout, and design of the rates are 2% this year, two percent next year and one percent the year after, however, the customers won't see an increase in their will.

A

One of the one of the advantages, and that we have been being a member of CMAC is that our 57 percent ownership are actually a little bit less than that, because buzzer doesn't count in this case. It allows us to take a percentage of the profits at ce mec makes and our profit this year. 2.4 million. Is that correct, 4.6.

Q

A

4.6 the 2.3 was rolled into the rate or was all for now.

Q

We only took 500,000 the rest of it went to the rate stabilization fine, so.

A

That went into the rate Stabilization Fund, which is awful going to offset this increase. So that's the good news.

L

A

That's our advantage of being a member of CMAC, because there I know the focus has been on the negative things that have come out of Simic, but there are positive reasons why we are a member- and this is one of those reasons, so that will help with the rate stabilization side. Are there any other questions or comments on this and I need a motion? Oh I'm, sorry, I'm,.

H

Sorry, you said that they're not going to know it's gonna, the customers aren't going to see. The increase is out for all three years. They're, not gonna, see it increase.

Q

Yes, that's the plan because- and we have rate stabilization expectations from CMAC, going forward.

Q

That you do realize that there's a purchase power adjustment on the bills which can fluctuate breviary and that's where the netting out of the reductions will occur.

H

A

Other comments on this okay, then I need a motion to move this to the parent council meeting of five February 2018.

A

Okay, we have a motion. Second, any other discussion, it's very known all in favor, say aye. Those stenches motion carries unanimously, which will take us to 666, which is divide. Your life and power. Electric rate increases David, okay,.

Q

Again same consulting firm utility financial services performed a cost. The service study for Basra Light, &, Power Bars reliant Power hadn't, had any rate increases or decreases into over ten years, only passed through a cost of power.

Q

They identified deficiencies in the debt coverage ratio, minimum mostly minimum cash requirements and operating income, and the utility Commission and the Basra Utility Commission directed the consultant to produce rates that addresses the deficiencies on the 12th of December.

Q

They presented the rates that were designed to the the Basra Utility Commission and which called for an overall basic increase of 3% per year over the next three years, all effective on April 1, and also a redesign and simplification of the rate structures to make the bills easier for the customers to understand and what they did in. That area is Basra had like a step-down rate. If you had a residential rate, your first 500 kilowatt hours were so much to second everything over 500 was that much more.

Q

We eliminated that and have just one rate for all kilowatt. I was very similar, but actually the same design is what we use in grime and the same thing on the industrial and commercial rates, which is even much more complicated than it's just one or two steps. We minimized it and we redesigned them to be in the same structure as we have here in Groton, and it will make the bills much more easier for the customers to understand so and on December 18th.

Q

There was a notice in the knowledge bulletin, setting the for the hearing for the 4th of January and the rates were published in the paper then, and then along came the 4th of January in the snowstorm and the hearing had to be canceled, so hearing finally was held on the 17th of January. There were three members of the public that attended aside from the staff and the utility commission and at the meeting the boss that was followed.

Q

The hearing immediately after the hearing, the Basra Utility Commission, approved the rates and recommended that they be accepted by the City Council.

Q

And we have a graph that I can pass out what you would you could have. We have one graph of the foie gras and one graph of Basra, and it shows the comparison of the rates.

Q

There's two different races at one shows.

A

Thank you, water, just passing down.

C

That should be enough.

Q

C

Q

So the line graph well we'll do the bar graph for us because we talked about brought in for us. So look. The bar graph is the groton graph and it's showing usage levels of customer bills, ranging from 250 kilowatt hours over to 2,000 kilowatt hours per month, and it's showing you in a comparison with the ever sauce customer and what they would pay. So the green lines, the green bars showing you at the level of episodes bills and the orange one is the proposed rate and the blue one is the current rate.

Q

So it you can see, there's a minimal difference in every category.

Q

The line graph gives you a comparison with ever sauce and with also another municipality across by Basra's proposed and current rate and rottens proposed rate as examples various levels.

Q

This is just the first year costs not not all three year comparison and in the first year the customers that he was around seven hundred kilowatt hours, which is around average, will have a $2 $2. 70 cent increase in their monthly bill.

A

Any questions- okay, hearing none I, need a motion to move this to the 5th of February mayor and Councilman. Second, so we have motion in a second any further discussion hearing, none all in favor, say: aye. Those attentions motion carries your net. Thank you good David. They said.

A

Okay, we're going to that, will take us to we're going to go now, 671, which is the purchase of Bob's or light and power inventory.

A

Q

The Bazar lighting power inventory what what I call this is an American intercompany transfer, basra light powers inventory they owned up there. We have our inventory here. We have processes in place where they're, taking some materials here, when they're leaving and going up to Basra and then using Basra's materials, become very complicated and very difficult to keep the accuracy and control and management of the of the inventory system coming out of two different places and tracking at two different ways.

Q

So we're putting a new process in place where all of the inventory will be owned by Groton utilities. All of the inventory will be dispatched from here and will be brought up and charged to Basra light and power in the same manner in which we charge the Basra light power for the hours that all of the linemen work there, because they're all online it'll ultimately be almost like a contractor to Basra and it'll, be more accurate and it'll be simpler for everybody to manage and that's the reason for it.

Q

So we're taking the inventory that is there and valued bringing it down. The grind and in Basra will be charged and as I draw it out and use it.

M

But my goal is actually we have board side of this through our accounting systems, starting tomorrow, because I have Janet I have right-hand person retiring next week, so I it. Her goal was to do that as before she leaves so. I was actually going to cut the purchase order to allow us internally to receive the inventory. Allow all paperwork to clear, and you will have this to approve.

M

Yeah make sure I was warm and fuzzy with this whole concept before tomorrow, nothing's.

A

Gonna be signed before this gets approved by the council. There.

M

N

Q

The purchase order is just basically a vehicle to transfer the electronically in between the systems into the right inventory, accounts and codes and so forth.

M

A

Any questions: okay, Aaron I'm gonna, need a motion to move this to the parent council meeting out of 5 February 2018, so motion a second further discussion hearing, none all in favor, say: hi. Those stations motion carries unanimously. Okay, the next is 672 Harris computer systems, annual maintenance contract for the North Star billing system.

M

North Star is the system that does the billing in the utilities, so that's the price that it costs us to run 1213 modules in customer service. It's allow us to actually fill the customers. It's an annular price happens every year.

A

A

Okay, in that case, I need a motion to move it to the mayor and council meeting of February 5th. So.

K

Move the motion.

A

A second in further discussion, great man, all in favor, say aye opposed senses motion carries your nose. Thank you. The next one 673 this is the speedy purchase of two Dodge Ram pickup trucks for electric department.

M

So when you can tell we've changed the way we do business up in bazar a little bit by moving the crews all to report here every morning and in the process of doing that. We're also trying to speed up the pace with which we respond to outages that isn't necessarily always such an issue in groton, because Groton is fairly compact service area up in Basra.

M

It can take you half hours so to go from the substation all the way to the other side of the service territory, because you're just traveling four miles up the country roads. So the goal is, is what the guys we're gonna do is we're actually buying, they call them squirt booms. There are two smaller trucks.

M

They don't require actually CDLs to drive, which is really nice, but the guys will actually use these as their on-call vehicles and instead of driving to Groton, then reporting out to go deal with the outage, they're actually going to have little squirt booms with them and they'll, and you can't actually bring our big trucks into your driveway at home because you'll sink in the driveway and a lot of people in homeowners areas. Just don't have room to park the trucks you know they giant.

M

So these little squirt booms are actually can fit right in your driveway right where you'd park, your pickup truck and it'll, allow them to respond directly to the event. The order for these trucks is about 300 days. The vehicle replacement fund has funding for that plenty of funding to buy these trucks and that's the goal to make the whole more nimble.

G

For us, so the idea is the person on call will have this vehicle in their home, so they get them just respond quickly. He'll.

M

Take it with them and they'll drive directly to where they believe the outages. Okay, thank.

F

M

Makes a giant change for Basra, actually not quite so much a change here are our guys live fairly close, usually to Groton. So even if they had to drive to the shop and then go out, you know it's 15, 20 minutes how.

H

Is that going to impact your ability to replace the other vehicles in the future? Is that gonna deplete your vehicle replacement.

M

The vehicle replacement fund is actually methought. The goal is for most capital funds. You should and actually we're gonna take a look at this year when we do this year's budget, because our vehicle replacement fund before I got here was not funded for several years and then, when I got here, we replaced that funding to keep it boost it up, so we won't deplete it. We're not near depleting it yet, but we do wholesale need to replace.

M

Like all the little Ford escapes you see, driving around I mean the new ones are 10 years old so and they get driven every day. So we are gonna have to be replacing more of the fleet, but this will least led us to down the usage on some of the older larger trucks. So the maintenance goes down on those and actually keep the bigger trucks fleet that that longevity a little bit longer.

M

We've looked at that we we were gonna, buy a few other different trucks this year, but this scale of economy, the guy said no, we got to do this. We got to do this, so we looked at the funds of. What's available, we said well, okay, let's do this much more effective and then we're gonna look at actually, if we're funding our vehicle replacement fund at the right level, because what you would really want to do is take your total capital and what the replacement of it is.

M

And every year put, you know if you, if you're gonna on average, replace the vehicles in 15 years put 115th in there, but if there wasn't going in there previously and now we're trying to boost it up there, you gotta, do it little baby steps.

A

Any other questions or comments and take a motion to move it to the mayor and council meeting of 5 February 2018. Someone second question. Second, any further discussion hearing, none all in favor, say aye opposed abstentions. Motion carries, you may have sway we're gonna go to 70. This is their nation request for Eastern Connecticut Conservation, District I didn't catch. This Ron had a brief respite. Actually, yeah I can do this right. Okay, this is a request for to that. Well, it's a request for two thousand dollars.

A

I think we also provided you the the resolution that governs this. We set aside five thousand dollars the couple things the says: no request shall be more than twenty percent of the amount cap, so twenty percent of five thousand is one thousand. Should you decide to do this?

A

Another thing to be reminded of is that: excuse me request for donations, be made in range of the mayor, shall include the amount requested, explain how the request of benefits, how the request benefits the social, cultural and educational interest of the city of Gras, and so, when you look at this, this talks about Long, Island, Sound and those kind of things in general conservation and erosion efforts and and those kind of things. There's no specific.

A

Reference to the city, so should you decide any amount you want, or you could say it doesn't meet the requirements and therefore I'm gonna give it. But let's close right.

A

Did you know you gotta get a copyright on the.

G

Ballot yeah, thank you. I'm.

C

K

So we're allowed to give up to 1,000 and the conservation is asking for 2000rs compared to that. A.

A

Lot of you 1000 mom, were you able to find out how much we have left in that account.

P

Based on the stress and then in that community.

P

Which is where.

L

You know what we gave them less last year.

A

I, don't I don't believe we gave you the gauges proof anything last year.

H

I, don't know them where they dot we're. They doubt aware of their requests.

B

Yeah, that's what I was an ass too well.

A

You have multiple organizations that just send out letters.

P

A

What a lot of what a lot of nonprofits will do is they'll just send out letters, basically poking and hoping so to speak, for.

B

A

Any amount of money.

P

The city specific interests in it so.

J

P

It can go either way. Nobody.

C

Think that this.

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B

See what you're saying well.

A

If you look at the border director, if just you know, if you look at the board of directors of the officers and the directors, it does not appear to be representative of our area. If that's, if that's something.

G

That may or may not influence your counselor trust and I'm gonna move that we send them back a letter that states that they don't meet our guidelines and that they revise their request if they, so if they feel that they can meet these meet. Our resolution.

B

Or can we can we okay, the thousand dollars and then write a letter stating that if they need more funds, it's if they need additional requests, additional funds, it's out of our part of the parameters, and then we would have to I.

A

Could do is we could send it, we could send a letter and then they could decide if they want to come back and then you can decide how much yeah. So we can do that and we can attach our resolution there to the water, because they're not.

G

A meeting we can do that I'm. Sorry, that's.

A

For us they're.

G

Not meeting that how it benefits socially, culturally or educational I mean you can infer that right, but if they could be more specific with their requests.

B

A

Okay, we can do that all.

G

A

G

All right, it's really.

A

Late I'm really tired, I know.

A

Is it the very first one which is.

C

Which is opponent's William.

A

Bullets for Beach and Parks, we have a referral: the beach in parks, here's his resume.

A

We do have a vacancy.

A

Okay, make a motion move it to a mayor council meeting a 5-second hey. We have much of a second any further discussion. Hearing, none Oh, all in favor, say: aye those tensions, budgetary janessa. Okay, we.

A

Okay, we do have an executive session pursuant to the Connecticut General Statutes belongs 260 and 1-2. Ten and Barbara one to discuss pending litigation. I need a motion to go into executive session to include the council and finance director run your said. Okay, we have a motion and second, all in favor say: aye. Both stanchions passes you names and there will be no actually coming on.