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From YouTube: Groton Conservation Commission 4/4/22
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Groton, Connecticut municipal meeting February 7, 2022: Conservation Commission. Click on the link below to view the agenda.
https://www.agendasuite.org/iip/groton/file/getfile/63010
A
So
this
is
the
april
4th
2022
meeting
of
the
town
of
conservation
commission.
My
name
is
bruce
lofgren
with
office
of
planning
and
development
services.
Barry
john
is
the
chair.
This
meeting
is
being
conducted
in
a
hybrid
format.
You
zoom
in
in
person
at
the
town
hall
annex
so
where,
if
you'd
like
to
take
a
call.
B
G
H
Good
eating
conservation.
Commission-
I'm
sorry!
I
couldn't
join
you
in
burps
in
this
evening,
but
I
have
another
meeting.
That's
going
to
come
up
quite
rapidly.
First,
I
want
to
say
how
much
I
appreciate
the
work
bruce
lofgren
has
done
for
this
commission.
You
guys
have
been
very
lucky
to
have
bruce
for
these
four
years.
H
The
work
I'm
most
familiar
with
is
the
plastics
ordinance
which
came
up
very
early
in
his
career
here,
and
he
did
a
masterful
job
of
researching
ordinance
around
the
state
and
played
a
really
key
role
in
developing
a
first
class
ordinance
for
bruce.
I
really
wish
you
the
best.
I'm
really
sorry
we're
losing
you,
but
I
hope
it's
going
to
be
fun
in
west
greenwich
eats
greenwich
one.
H
I
think
chris
cute
and
reported
to
you
previously
we're
very
interested
in
increasing
milk
thickness
in
cotton,
because
some
of
the
larger
corporations
are
trying
to
get
around
small
plastic
bags
by
calling
them
reusable
and
they're.
Not
the
good
news
is
which
you
may
know.
Walmart
has
stopped
distributing
these
small
thick
plastic
plastic
bags
because
they
were
too
expensive
to
produce
ces.
H
Starbucks,
however,
is
still
serving
those
little
sticks
in
their
coffee
cups,
which
are
completely
useless.
You
just
pull
them
out,
throw
them
away,
and
so
that's
really
all
I
have
to
say
at
the
moment
on
plastics.
I
want
to
say
a
word
about
data
centers.
Also,
thank
you
for
weighing
in
conservation
commission.
H
It's
been
a
seat
of
the
pants
effort,
frankly
so
far
coming
in
sort
of
the
last
minute,
with
dropping
in
wallingford's
noise
ordinance,
frankly,
without
probably
really
understanding
it
fully
the
two
big
areas
that
the
town
needs
to
invest-
probably
some
money,
staff
or
consultancy
in
his
our
noise
and
pollution
from
the
generators.
We're
very
concerned
about
peak
shaping-
and
while
mr
quinn
has
told
us-
oh
it'll,
just
be
a
couple
hours
now
and
then
we
are
not
at
all
certain
that
it's
true
they're,
very
polluting.
H
They
cause
a
lot
of
harm.
Just
ask
ledge
light
about
diesel
pollution
and
they'll,
give
you
an
earful.
So
I
commend
you
sb
236,
which
is
a
bill
and
a
senate
bill
that
limits
pollution
from
diesel
generators
controls
limits.
The
number
of
hours
that
data
centers
can
use,
or
anybody
can
use
peak
shaping
it,
tracks
the
delaware
law
where
they
have,
they
have
controls
on
peak
shaving,
which
have
been
in
effect
since
2012..
H
You
may
know
about
this.
Forgive
me
if
I'm
telling
you
what
you
already
know
about,
but
delaware
still
has
plenty
of
data
centers
in
its
state,
so
those
two
so
that
two
really
big
issues
that
that
need
to
be
dealt
with
and
the
town
needs
to
take
the
time
needed
to
step
back
and
do
the
research
and
come
up
with
standards
for
data
centers.
H
B
I
guess
that's
the
double
check,
there's
nobody!
Okay!
So
the
next!
Well
speaking
of
data
center,
so
the
next
item
business
is
data
center
update,
and
you
probably
have
all
been
tracking
this
from
our
last
meeting
and
we
agreed
on
a
a
physician
or
a
neutral
position,
if
you
will,
with
with
the
request
or
with
the
support
of
getting
a
level
of
environmental
controls
over
the
data
center
build.
So
you
already
was,
I
guess,
voted
down
with
prejudice.
B
B
Now
I
you
know
recall
when
we
started
this
whole
thing
is
one
of
the
sidebars
was.
How
do
we
get
that
conservation
development
to
work
together?
Because
it
really
should
it's
not
one
or
the
other,
so
I
mean
a
long
time
ago
and
in
our
plan
we
talked
about
conservation,
development
areas
and
residential
areas
right-
and
this
was
the
first
one
from
a
business.
C
B
So
I
guess
the
good
news
was:
we
did
have
a
cross-exchange
of
information.
There
was
some
collaboration
there,
but
the
fact
is
that,
if
they
didn't
want
to
tax
benefits,
they
wouldn't
have
had
to
do
all
this
stuff
right,
I
mean
it's
a
industrial
property
and
they
could
build.
They
can
build
a
data
center
if
they
want
right,
they
just
wouldn't
get
the
tax
advantage.
B
So
you
know
one
of
the
questions
is:
do
we
want
to
support
looking
at
changes
to
the
zoning
laws
that
provide
some
zoning
changes
et
cetera?
Obviously
they
would
have
to
do
that.
Not
us,
but
you
know
so,
do
we
want
to
inject
ourselves
into
that
process
and
do
anything
or
take
a
position
with
planning
and
zoning
on
any
modification
or
just
or
just
wait
and
see
what
happens
and
then
jump
in
if
they
in
fact
bring
something
up,
so
we
want
to
be
proactive
or
reactive.
D
If,
like
you
say
they
come
in
without
com
asking
for
the
abatement
to
come
in
and
and
put
it
in
because
then
their
plan
had
you
know,
50,
acres
or
so
coming
to
the
town
we
need
to
be
able
to-
and
I
don't
think
at
this
time-
there's
anything
that's
actionable
for
us
to
really
get
out
ahead
of
at
this
time.
So
I
would
just
recommend
it.
So
you
vote
for
reactive,
not
proactive
at.
D
On
because
when
the
areas
you
know
as
far
as
supporting
the
like
was
brought
up
as
far
as
supporting
the
state
bill,
I
think
that's
there's
been
already
and
there's
enough.
I
listened
to
the
some
of
the
items
that
were
the
testimony
that
was
provided
so
we're
already
outside
the
window
for
public
comment
on
that
bill
and
stuff
it.
It's
really
our
very
hands,
are
kind
of
tied
to
what
we
can
be
doing
as
a
commission.
Here.
D
B
Well,
technically,
our
charter
by
the
town
has
some
very
limited
work
scopes
that
we're
supposed
to
be
involved
with
which
deals
with
the
disposition
of
town-owned
properties,
the
acquisition
of
open
space
properties
and
providing
an
inventory
on
the
same
everything
else.
We've
done
has
been
kind
of
a
stretch
on
our
part
or.
G
G
So
it
was
a
heated
conversation
for
about
a
half
hour
wow
and
then
luckily
we
both
had
things
to
do,
but
out
of
that,
it's
one
where
just
to
follow
up
on
tom's
comment
and
and
yours
about,
do
we
get
involved
or
not?
We
are
advisory
and
there's
a
whole
slew
of
things
that
are
related.
Environmentally
noise
is
certainly
one
of
them
that
if
we
see
something
going
on,
we
can
ask
the
questions.
G
G
G
B
G
It
is
many
places,
but
because
we
don't
we're
not
used
to
knowing
what
those
power
demands.
Are
it
it's
hard
for
me
to
so
when
I
hear
what
their
demands
are
and
yes,
they've
asked
the
local
utilities,
can
you
supply
it
and
they
would
more
than
it
sound
like
more
than
happy
to
accommodate
them
if
it
moves
forward,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
came
out
of
this
particular
proposal
that
certainly
tweaks
the
mind
and
many
things
that
comes
generates,
questions
that
aren't
writable
answers
at
this
point.
G
The
other
thing
is
that
this
particular
industrial
land,
as
tom
hussein
is
open
for
development
and
the
town
is
encouraging
it.
Something
is
going
to
come
in
there
and
and
nothing
has
happened
for
over
20
years
and
I
think
we're
all
used
to
it
being
a
quiet
piece
of
oak
right
now,
it's
forested
land,
but
it's
got
this
big
sticker
right
on
its
forehead.
That
says
we're
industrial
and
over
40
years.
B
Not
it's
not
new,
because
I
asked
john
reiner.
How
long
has
this
been
classified
industrial?
He
says
at
least
40
years
right,
so
you
know
so
when
you
move
next
to
an
industrial
zoned
area,
you
cannot
my
view.
Is
you
shouldn't
complain
later
that
says
they
can't
build
something
there,
because
it
can
affect
me
right.
B
That's
a
known
right!
It's
it's
not
like.
We
just
re-zoned
it
and
that'd
be
a
whole
different
thing.
It
had
to
be
somewhat
sympathetic,
but
on
the
power
issue,
it's
almost
to
me
not
a
non-issue
because
as
long
as
you're
in
the
eastern
grid
they're
going
to
suck
the
power
in
from
whoever
makes
it
it's
not
we're
not
going
to
build
a
power
plant
in
groton
to
supply
the
data
center.
It's
not
going
to
be
some
new
invention
and
somehow,
if
they
don't
build
it,
the
power
is
not
going
to
get
consumed.
B
The
the
across
the
grid,
because
we've
got
two
major
grids.
Right
is
they're
gonna,
they're,
reset
they're
resellers,
so
the
local
power
companies
reselling
power.
They
sucking
from
someplace
else.
Now,
one
of
the
things
that
I
thought
we
never
got
to
that
was
interesting
in
the
the
application
was
you
know
their
commitment
to
use
green
power,
which
means
they
they
don't
get
it
from
fossil
fuel
plants.
They
get
it
from
someplace
else
right.
So
there's
things
that
you
can
put
in
there.
But
to
me
it's
not
a
groton
issue
right.
B
The
fact
that
we
consume
or
not
consume
power
should
not
be
an
issue
to
us
because
we're
not
making
it
we're
not
building
a
power
plant
here,
we're
not
changing
the
fabric
of
power
consumption
we'll
get
that
a
little
later
by
the
way
when
we
talk
about
later
in
the
thing
about
how
to
measure
what
groton
can
affect
with
power
consumption
later
in
the
agenda,
but
so
I
think
we
kind
of
get
to
some
extent
we're
mixing
too
many
different
things.
We
can't
stop
we're
not
addressing
the
united
states
power
issue.
B
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
federal
programs
to
do
that
and
to
generate
power
with
you
know
with
solar.
You
know
in
areas
which
can
afford
it.
You
know,
like
I
said
you
need
a
thousand
acres
of
solar
panels
in
order
to
drive
this.
We
are
there's
no
thousand
acres
in
groudon.
Even
if
you
wanted
to
you
could
do
it
right,
plus
the
amount
of
sun
you
get
here,
wouldn't
make
it
practical
anyway.
B
So
the
power
panels
and
all
the
stuff's
gonna
be
done
in
the
west
or
the
you
know,
with
their
sun
and
flat
and
they're
going
to
shift
the
power
here
or
wherever
it
is,
so
they
build
it
in
new
york
or
new
jersey.
The
same
damn
data
center
power
consumption,
united
states
is
going
to
change
so
so
I
think
we
got
to
so.
G
It
wasn't
their
commission
to
my
commission.
Was
a
member
of
the
commission
having
a
phone
call
phone
conversation,
so
it
wasn't
it
wasn't
it
wasn't,
but
it
was.
It
was
an
interesting
conversation,
because
your
response
right
now
is
very
informative
and
looking
at
the
whole
power
grid
is
not
something
in
our
right
that
we
we
work
on
every
year.
It's
it's
not
in
our
plan.
C
B
B
Thing
entirely
that
that's
not
generating
power
for
a
power
site.
That's
in
order
to
be
a
data
center.
You
have
to
have
backup
power
generation
facilities.
So
the
issue
isn't
that
they're,
not
there,
it's
the
quality
of
the
I
don't
want
to
get
and
re-litigate
the
whole
damn
thing,
but
it's
the
type
of
diesel
generators,
it's
how
often
they
run
and
when
they
run
them.
If
they
run
a
good
one
is
if
they
run
a
well-run
data
center.
B
You
shouldn't
be
running
that
more
than
a
weekly
or
monthly
test
for
15-20
minutes.
I
mean
that's
it
theoretically,
right
theoretically,
but
it's
all
the
question
of
you
know
the
limits
that
they
do
in
their
business.
But
again
somebody
can
sit
there
and
say
I'm
going
to
put
16
diesel
generators
on
that
site.
I'm
going
to
generate
power
to
sell
to
you.
They
have
every
right
to
do
that.
According
to
the
current
zoning
requirements,.
D
But
I
think
just
kind
of
get
back
on
the
original
question
in
regard
to
we
should
be
supporting
as
a
conservation
commission
having
the
green
consumption
of
the
green
energy
in
there,
and
I
think
that
we
did
that
in
the
recommendations
we
made
last
month
and
we
and
I
think,
that's
where
we
should
be
coming
in
and
also
informing
him
now,
should
we
be
saying
for
advocating
as
part
of
the
zoning,
that
any
energy
consumption
for
new
construction
or
something
like
that.
That's
a
potential
thing
that
we
could
be
advocating
for.
B
We're
going
to
get
to
that
discussion
coming
up
and
that's
I
have
some
specific
thoughts
and
the
data
model
and
john
ryan
and
I've
been
kind
of
working
on
something.
So
I'm
going
to
share
that
with
you
today,
although
it's
really
growing,
but
at
least
it's
it's,
it's
a
data
point
to
get
exactly
that
question,
which
is
how
can
we
affect
what
we
can
affect
versus
we're
not
going
to
affect
the
power
structure
of
the
united
states?
I
mean
that
that's
I
don't
want
to
go
there.
Okay,.
C
Let's
put
in
just
a
small
little
comment
on
this
particular
parcel,
which
I
know
a
big
piece
of
it
is
some
wetland
which
is
potentially
very
sensitive
because
it
goes
to
the
sheep
farm
that
she
learned
as
a
geologist.
You
know
I've
been
taking
some
hikes
around
lately
and
you
know
as
a
geologist
I
think
I
appreciate,
maybe
more
than
most
the
amazing
ledge
we
have
here
because
there's
no
place
else
in
the
united
states.
Really
I
mean,
maybe
I
haven't
really
been
up
in
maine.
C
I
guess
they
would
have
it,
but
but
the
what
makes
this
coastline
so
unique
is
that
you
know
you've
got
the
long
island,
the
glacial
lorraine,
which
has
prevented
the
erosion
of
our
whole
shoreline
into
beaches,
like
rhode
island
has,
and
so
we
have
this
incredible.
We
have
these
nooks
and
crannies,
but
in
there
the
inlets
and
the
protrusions
and
stuff,
but
but
the
ledge
itself
is
really
unusual.
C
I
mean
that
might
be
something.
I
know
this
is
not
going
to
gain
traction
with,
probably
anybody,
but
I
think
there
should
be
some
attention
to
just
native
original
ledge,
because
once
you
blast
that
stuff
out
and
put
it
in
a
road
or
put
it
in
a
school
or
put
in
a
mall
that
stuff's
gone,
and
it's
really
really
unique.
It's
very
geologically
unique.
It's
very
special.
It's
very
local,
like
you,
don't
have
that
everywhere.
C
A
You
know,
since
the
glass
town
council
decision,
but
I
think
we're
still
going
to
be
moving
forward
with
that.
The
next
step
after
that,
after
the
moratorium,
will
be
actually
developing
regulations
for
specific
data
centers.
So
that
would
include
you
know,
development
standards
for
noise
for
buffers,
for
you
know,
generators
and
things
like
that.
So
we
are
working
on
that
and
the
moratorium
will
come
first,
probably
within
the
next
three
months
and
then
the
set
of
regulations,
probably
within
the
next
six.
Well.
B
G
B
You
know
whether
some
input
or
suggestions
as
we
have
in
terms
of
what
standard
should
be
there
and
that's
where
gca
or
other
you
know,
groups
can
come
in
and
say:
hey
we'd
like
to
see
this
that's
different
than
saying
you
can't
develop.
I
think
that
one,
if
that
one's
gonna
like
that,
goes
down
a
litigation
path
and
I'm
not
interested
in
doing
that
at
all
all
right.
So
next
item
on
the
agenda,
plastic
ordinance.
E
B
It's
it's
a
legally
signed
document,
there's
lawsuits!
Circling
that
whole
effort.
You
know
when
I
first
looked
at
that
a
month
ago,
when
you
started
this
thing.
My
sense
was:
it
was
a
scam
to
begin
with,
and
I
I
never
thought
anything
would
happen.
That's
what
I
told
john
burton
and
john
reiner.
I
said
that
that's
my
this
thing
that
god's
face
will
never
happen.
B
B
G
B
C
C
B
H
Yes,
as
I
said
my
opening
remarks,
we
have
not
been
able
to
complete
the
research
that
we
want
to
do.
We
have
done
some
and
but
we
feel
we
need
to
do
more,
to
see
what's
happening
in
the
town
and,
unfortunately,
we've
both
been
distracted
by
dc's
data
centers.
But
hopefully,
if
there's
going
to
be
a
moratorium
and
we'll
be
back
on
it
very
soon
and
we'll
report
back.
B
All
right,
I
I
think
that's
yeah
getting
the
data
is
there.
I
think
we
kind
of
said
that
we're
willing
to
support
it,
but
let's
get
the
data
and
it's
not
that
big,
a
change
and
you're
right.
That
would
be
the
sequence.
Get
the
data.
Take
a
position.
Go
to
the
town
council
recommend
a
change
to
the
to
the
ordinance
all
right.
H
C
B
B
A
A
Yeah
I
mean
we
haven't,
we
haven't
received
any
complaints.
Well,
we
haven't
received
too
many
complaints
and
we
haven't.
There
hasn't
been
too
many
repeat
offenders,
so
the
complaints
we
have
received.
We
usually
take
an
informal
approach
by
you,
know
kind
of
what
you
were
mentioning
kristen.
We
call
them,
we
let
them
know
what
the
ordinance
is
and
they
usually
could
fly
shortly
after
so
we
haven't
had
to
take
it
to
the
next
enforcement
level
with
any
of
the
ones
we
became
aware
of.
B
A
Yeah
and
there
haven't
been
any
complaints.
The
other
way
I
haven't
heard
any
complaints
from
the
business
community.
You
know
saying
you
know
this
is
too
difficult
to
comply
with.
You
know
it's.
It's
not
feasible.
There
hasn't
been
anything
like
that.
It's
been
very,
you
know
it's
not
that
big
of
a
deal
from
what.
G
B
G
Can
I
yep
a
little
discussion
point
on
the
table,
one
of
the
things
that,
in
the
past,
the
conservation
commission
advocated
to
the
town
that
there
was
a
time
when
the
town
would
send
out
to
all
the
basically
taxpayers
in
the
town
of
flyer
every
year
in
regards
to
solid
waste,
and
it
would
be
something
about
household
hazardous
waste
day,
what
it's
going
to
be,
and
now
it's
regional,
it's
posted
and
also
on
it.
We
also
encouraged
to
have
the
conservation
we
enforce
recycling
to
think
about
it.
G
G
And
looking
at
alternatives,
and
one
of
the
things
that
that
appears
that
that's
come
out
of
all
this
is
the
truth
about
recycling
for
plastics,
apparently,
is
just
number
ones
and
number
twos
that
everything
else
is
burned
or
or
it's
not
recycled.
It's
landfilled
or
whatever,
and
the
the
other
emphasis
was
plastic
bags
that
we
used
to
have
the
single-use
plastic
bags
that
you
can
get
in.
I
guess
the
city
of
groton
you
could,
because
they
don't
have
an
ordinance
in
the
city.
B
G
B
G
And
and
the
last
thing
which
cycles?
Yes,
yes
and
the
other
was
the
stonington
now
has
that
pink
bag
for
recycling.
But
it's
clothing
and
you
put
it
out
at
the
street
whenever
you
want
to
fill
it
up
and
they
will
pick
it
up
and
what
they're
trying
to
do
is
to
get
all
sorts
of
clothing,
whether
it's
old,
blue
jeans
or
whatever
out
of
the
waste
stream,
and
that
there
are
places
that
will
take
that
material
and
process
it
and
recycle
or
recombine.
Whatever.
H
G
C
Because
that
might
be
something
easy
to
jump
on
board.
It's
probably
someone
just
going
around
with
the
truck
and
they're
selling
it
and
as
scrap.
Then
it
goes
off
to
india
or
africa
and
get
made
into
rugs.
You
know
if
we,
if
we
followed
up
on
like
who
who's
what
entity
is
actually
doing,
it
might
be
easy
to.
G
G
G
B
Couple
things
one
is
you
mentioned:
do
we
want
to
put
out
kind
of
a
reminder,
update,
informational
that
things
have
changed
you're
right,
the
burning
plan
has
gone
down
so
we're
getting
constrained
and
you
know
there's
things
not
going
to
be
done.
You
know
like
reduce
the
amount
that's
going
into
into
you
know
what
really
gets
recycled
and
coming
up
they're
not
ready
yet,
but
you
know
the
organic
waste
facility
is
kind
of
chugging
along
and
that
that
may
get
into
production
later
this
year.
C
B
D
H
D
B
D
D
So
should
we
be
talking
to
the
end,
if
you're
going
to
put
anything
out,
should
we
be
focusing
our
concerns
at
the
fire
districts
and
and
what
they're
doing
at
the
individual,
not
the
individual
house
level,
but
at
the
individual
fire
district
level?
How
are
you
contracting?
Are
you
providing
big
bag
service
to
your
people
in
your
district?
That
type
of
stuff.
G
G
Well,
it's
not
only
the
rest
of
the
town
is
also
up
to
the
individuals,
I
suppose,
if
you're
in
a
apartment
complex,
it's
a
dumpster,
something
like
that,
it
can't
have
every
person
have
his
own
contractor,
but
that's
at
one
point
there
was
a
discussion
on
the
conservation
commission.
We
were
talking
about
the
town,
actually
picking
up
all
the
garbage.
Well,
that's.
G
Groton
was
we
used
the
city
and
said:
look
it's
working
over
here
and
it
had,
I
think,
maybe
a
thousand
years
ago
worked
here
but
went
away
and
the
object
of
having
the
town
pick
it
up
is
like
in
the
city
they
can
control
what
what's
what
they'll
pick
up,
how
it's
sorted
and
so
forth.
So
there
is
a
selective
process
going
on
there
in
the
town.
The
problem
was
when
we
started
to
raise
the
flag
on
it.
G
All
the
haulers,
the
garbage
haulers
said
we're
gonna,
do
it
my
own,
you
know
our
own
way
and
the
haulers
didn't
necessarily
divide
the
town
up
and
said
you
have
that
part,
and
you
have
that
part.
There
was
overlap
and
so
forth.
That
was
going
on
competition
on
the
street
who's
going
to
get
the
most,
but
that
did
not
lend
itself
to
having
a
single
authority
and
selection.
But
having
said
that,
the
plastic
ordinance
of
applies
across
the
town.
B
B
You
suggested
putting
out
an
updated
note
to
everyone,
regardless
of
the
fire
district,
and
your
suggestion
was
was,
if
we
do
anything,
send
a
note
to
the
fire
district.
I
I
think
that
kind
of
summarizes
what
I
heard
so
is
there
any
consensus
or
direction
on
what
this
august
commission
would
like
to
do?.
F
C
D
C
B
F
C
C
In
we've
had
so
we're
already
kind
of
in
the
game
as
far
as
waste
management
and
composting
and
being
behind
that
being
for
it
and
it's
a
follow-up
plastic
issue,
so
I
I
think
it
you
know
it
may
not
be
on
the
front
burner
right
now,
but
I
think
we
should
definitely
keep
it
on
the
stove.
I
think
we
should
be
thinking
about
it
moving
forward
with
it.
C
G
D
G
She
had
been
the
point
person
in
the
big
picture
that
when
they,
when
the
town
goes
out
and
works
with
scara
and
they
look
at
what
the
cost
is
per
ton,
that
the
town
has
to
get
rid
of
and
so
forth
and
negotiating
through
that
a
lot
of
times.
She
was
the
one
that
we
also
talked
about
household
hazardous
waste,
making
that
a
separate
disposal
and
that
and
then
it
became
regional.
So
that's
been
a
win
situation
there.
G
But
to
go
back
to
her
and
just
say
what
are
you
hearing
that
may
be
problems?
Let's
say
well
evanic
waste
paper,
because
I
think
that
all
our
recyclables,
I
believe,
are
going
through
them
and
then
our
the
burn
all
now
goes
up
to
lisbon.
I
believe
right,
which
is
privately
owned
and
we
moved
away
from
preston
up
to
lisbon
because
of
a
better
price.
G
B
Will
take
a
follow-up
on
overall
plan?
I
think
at
some
point
you
know
right
now.
There's
one
council's
got
a
lot
on
their
plate,
but
I
think
at
some
point
that
we
would
need
to
bring
this
forward
as
as
identification
of
an
issue
or
with
public
works,
and
then
suggestions
on
go
forward
plans
for
solid
which
measures,
including
organic
waste,
in
terms
of
proper
separation,
whatever
it
might
be.
B
B
B
D
D
But
what
we
did
was
so
we
have
now
a
layer
that
brings
in
that
you
can
take
a
look
and
bring
out
all
the
zoning
and
then
also
we've
on
the
index.
We've
brought
in
all
the
every
parcel
that's
on.
There
also
has
a
zoning
included
which
we
didn't
have
before,
and
the
reason
I
asked
for
the
zoning
was,
I
went
and
did
some
research
here
to
take
a
look
at.
D
What's
going
on,
like
we
talked
about
earlier
with
the
death
rate
zone
for
industrial,
you
go
take
a
look
at
the
zoning
map.
We
have
three
general
areas.
We
have
industrial
type
of
stuff,
you
have
residential
stuff
and
you've
got
the
conservation
part.
Okay,
the
conservation
part.
I
haven't
gone
down
the
actual
numbers
yet
of
what
was
actually
zoned,
because
he
just
finished
this
today.
D
So
there's
a
layer
there.
That
brings
up
the,
so
those
are
all
the
the
400
odd
parcels
that
that
are
considered
open
space
and
one
of
the
three
categorizations
either
dedicated
managed
or
facilities,
and
now
you'll
see
zoning
down
there,
which
one
yeah
right
there,
the
zoning
zone
yeah
I
got
you
have
to
go
open
it
one
more
and
then
and
then
then
you
can
put
up
for
each
each
of
the
times.
D
D
B
D
D
D
Are
there
areas
in
the
town
that
we
could
consider
changing
the
zoning
and
be
an
advocate
for
that
asset
activation,
commission,
okay,
and
rather
than
as
if
bruce
mentioned,
we
have
to
be
very
con
careful
about
this,
because,
if
you're
taking
a
a
a
parcel
and
rezoning
it,
it
could
didn't
lower
the
value
of
it
and
then
that
would
be
a
hit
to
that
to
the
owner.
Okay,
but
there
are
so.
D
G
D
There's
there's
some
parcels:
200
acres,
196
acres,
120
acres,
there's
some
big
chunks,
okay,
that
maybe
we
may
as
a
conservation
commission.
I
feel
like
people-
I'm
not
offering
this
tonight,
but
just
to
kind
of
bring
this
to
start
this
discussion
to
think
about
us
advocating
like
a
letter
to
those
individuals
that
says,
would
you
be
interested
in
working
with
the
plant
with
the
conservation
commission
to
be
going
to
the
zoning
commission
and
consider
reclassification
of
your
parcel,
particularly
in
a
but
an
already
green
conservation
or
green
recreation
area?
D
We
would
be
changing
that
and
then
get
better
protection
for
their
property,
and
but
on
the
flip
side
they
would
be
losing
a
future
selling
that,
because
they're
most
of
these
places
are
all
currently
zoned
ru
40..
So
every
one
of
those
I
just
mentioned
those
the
top
four.
There
are
100
acres
or
more.
Are
you
40
zoned
right
now,
so
they
would
potentially
lose
that
residential
thing,
but
they
may
as
an
owner.
D
D
They're
already
getting
the
taxes
right,
they're
already
getting
the
tax
break.
Okay,
the
reasoning
take
that
away
though
well
it
would
prohibit
them
it
would.
They
could
sell
it
and
provide
that
tax
break
to
somebody
else,
but
it
would
prohibit
them
selling
it
to
a
rep
to
a
developer.
That
would
would.
D
Forward
loss,
a
lot
of
these
people
want
to
have
the
control,
that's
why
they
bought
it
in
the
first
place.
They
want
to
still
maintain.
Is
my
property
right
and
there's
a
sense
of
ownership
with
that
too,
so,
if
they
they
should
have
made
that
decision
already.
All
I'm
saying
is
that
we
may
want
to
go
investigate
this.
I'm
just
trying
to
look
at
how
do
we
get
the
30
protection?
D
Okay,
when
everything's
already
zoned
out
the
time
we
have
zero
dollars
in
in
the
acquisition
fund,
where
how
are
we
going
to
get
anywhere
in
the
next
eight
years?
Right?
Okay,
because
that's
all
we
have
okay,
so
one!
This
is
the
first,
because
if
you
went
down
this
list,
there's
the
16
notionally
1600
acres
we
would
need.
I
can
almost
you
know,
take
the
top
30
people
here.
D
If
that
was
all
rezoned
you'd,
be
there
at
the
30
percent
without
really
changing
any
having
a
significant
effect
other
than
this,
the
potential
that
the
future
potential
loss
of
value
for,
but
that
you
really
can't
guarantee
anything
else.
Okay,
that's
what
I
was
that's
what
that's
where
I
am
right
now.
That's
why
I
asked
for
the
zoning
portion
to
be
added
to
the
inventory
here
and
I'll
do
continue
on
come
up
with
here's,
the
ones
that
I
kind
of
feel
see.
D
The
other
thing
is
you
know
if
somebody's
already
got,
is
it
forest
land
or
farmland
that
type
of
stuff
and
what
people
would
want
to
be
doing
with
it
in
the
long
term
and
what
the
individual,
the
current
owners
have
to
do,
do
with
it
also
so
something
to
consider
they
may
have
not
thought
about
it,
but
from
a
protection
thing
I
think
we'd
be
able
to
take
a
look
at
you
know.
I
also
want
to
see
how
much
do
we
really
have
right
now,
because
there's
some
property.
D
D
That
should
be
in
our
that
these
in
the
town
owns
it's
in
the
is
an
ru
that
we
could
get
them
to,
and
it's
a
budding
and
that
type
of
stuff
and
take
a
look
at
those
are
kind
of
things
that
I
need
to
come
up
with
that
inventory
list
and
that's
what
I'll
be
working
on
here
to
come
up
with
those
of
those
two
aspects.
As
far
as
from
the
zoning
perspective.
G
D
G
G
B
D
B
B
D
B
No
I'm
just
talking
about
education
because
we're
you
know
we
can
send
out
the
link,
but
then
I
kind
of
go
in
there
and
I
send
him
a
note
and
says:
where
is
this
again,
so
you
know,
there's
been
enough
changes
that
it
might
be
worthwhile
to
get
a
and
plus
it
gets
him.
You
know
we
could
thank
him
in
person
because
he's
been
doing
a
lot
of
work
and
stuff.
B
We
based
upon
the
last
agreement
with
the
town
staff.
They
changed
the
name
to
the
conservation
commission
and
we
have
sent
it
to
what's
called
the
companion
organizations.
Gca
babylonia,
you
know
so
so
it's
semi-public
all
right,
but
you're
right.
At
that
point
we
can
then
say
we
want
to
put
out
a
notice
to
say:
hey.
D
B
D
There's
the
the
like
that
dark,
there's
dark
and
light
greens
in
there.
Okay,
those
are
all
the
stuff.
That's
a
zoning
designations
right
now
so,
like
there's
parts
of
our
on
the
gungeon
property,
that's
owned
by
dep,
is
dark,
green
for
recreation.
Then
you
got
cop
park,
so
you
can
see
some
of
those
big
blobs
in
there.
Those
those
are
the
gr's,
the
lighter
green
and
the
gc.
So
that's
where
you're
going
to
find
the
candlewood
hill
wildlife
management
area,
the
gosa,
campbellwood
hill
and
avery
farm
you'll
find
blockpoint
is
there?
D
B
D
B
G
G
D
G
D
D
Can't
get
complicated,
but
you
know
it's,
but
not
to
say
it
can't
be
done.
It
would
just
take
additional
documentation
in
the
requests,
and
this
is
where
are
we
going
to
as
a
conservation
commission
be
willing
to
help
support
and
advocate
for
for
the
landowner,
because
we
see
an
ultimate
goal
of
trying
to
get
the
30
of
the
town
properly
zoned
to
it.
Certainly.
B
B
B
All
right,
if
I'm
looking
at
this
and
I'm
going
down
the
items,
211
2.11,
develop
action
plan,
expand
it's
the
connect,
greenway
green
belts
and
state
greenways,
that's
going
on
the
last
one
in
there
was
the
submission
to
the
state
the
last
time.
What
I
saw
you
exchanging
with
mark,
he
didn't
get
a
feedback.
Well.
D
The
we
our
application
for
both
greenways
was
reviewed
by
dep
and
approved
and
forwarded
on
to
the
greenwood
council.
The
council
met
in
to
act
on
them
in
march,
but
did
not
have
a
quorum,
so
they
could
not
act
on
them.
So
the
next
meeting
is
next
tuesday
at
9
00
a.m.
In
weathersfield
and
it's
on
the
agenda,
I've
talked
to
the
to
the
chairman
of
the
greenway
council,
and
he
says
everything
is
good
to
go
should
be
approved,
but
is
enough
people
there
to
vote
on
it.
B
B
There
was
one
on
develop
a
program
to
prioritize
and
implement
the
selected
strategies
outlined
in
the
municipal
coastal
program,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
This
plan,
along
with
the
town
of
new
zealand
sustainability
task
force,
will
provide
the
basis
for
it,
and
I
think
it
says
here:
trails
coordination
task
force
is
taking
the
lead.
B
C
H
B
E
A
A
D
D
B
G
B
A
D
G
E
B
C
B
All
right,
so,
let's
see,
let
me
get
next
midterm
one
another
490
program
question.
So
that's
already
being
addressed
designations
of
green
belt
that
so
we
talked
about
that
pursue
greenway
integration,
chica!
Well,
that's
continuation!
There!
Maybe
we're
doing
all
this
stuff.
The
document
review
process
of
the
connecticut
nerve.
Now
that
was
just,
I
think,
the
last
one
was
it's
now
official
and
approved,
and
the
question
is
now
watch.
G
B
G
D
B
Question
is:
can
you
find
out
when-
and
it
might
be
a
year
or
two
here
when
would
there
be
usable
information
coming
out
of
the
spot
of
nerve?
I
mean
that's
kind
of
like
to
put
there
as
our
one
of
our
long-term
objectives,
because
it
would
be
certainly
useful
for
sustainability
and
the
other
stuff
that's
going
on.
B
C
C
C
B
E
B
E
Well,
I
am
pretty
close
to.
I
can
probably
get
you
I'll
have
something
for
you
by
the
next
meeting
for
sure,
hopefully
before
then,
but
it's
really
collating
yeah.
So
I
have
to
really
do
the
town
part
now
the
city,
I
think
I
have
a
pretty
good
understanding
and
I
would
say
overall
there
probably
is
inequity
in
terms
of
access
to
dedicated
green
space.
There's
a
lot
of
managed
and
what's
the
other
term
green.
F
B
B
B
The
next
section,
so
there
data
center
proposal-
okay,
well,
that
one's
we
could
cut
that
one
out
and
and
yeah
I
mean
I
did
meet
with
several
gca
and
some
other
folks
on
that
one
all
right.
So
we've
gone
through
that
next
one
is
open
space,
stewardship,
workbooks
and
action
plan,
and
I
there's
a
bunch
of
things
here
so
just
to
do
these
in
a
little
bit
in
order
your
next,
your
second
michelle,
okay,
so
the
first
one
was
an
updated
matrix
from
tom.
D
This
I've
got
this
on
hold
just
to
talk
about.
I
guess
is
that
ghost
is
still
waiting.
You
know
they
have.
I
have
provided
that
to
them,
but
I
really
haven't
gotten
any
comments.
Other
than
says
I
don't
have
anything
specific
this
time,
but
they're
still
being
reviewed.
They
have
a
new
stewardship
lady,
that's
working
on
their
their
stuff.
Mrs
crittenton
and
I
haven't
gotten
any
specific
comments
back
on
that.
I
was
throwing
a
report
on
that,
but
they
they
did.
This
vidco
said
they
have.
D
A
A
A
D
Well,
that's
the
question
as
far
as
the
other
one
as
a
result
of
the
meeting
that
michelle
had,
it
was
pointed
out
that
there's
a
couple
other
parcels
that
gosa
would
like
potentially
partner
with
us.
So
I
quickly
took
that
information
on
board
and
drafted
up
a
new
stewardship
plan
for
what
they
call
lantern
road.
There's
two
parcels
on
these
are
smaller
parcels
that
normally,
would
not.
You
know,
made
our
cut
they're
right
at
the
at
the
five
acre
between
four
or
five
acres.
D
D
F
B
D
B
D
Yeah
it's
in
the
handout,
but
at
this
off
of
117
between
117
and
so
that
new
development
up
there
yeah
and
part
of
chris
wood,
okay,
that
was
in
ledger
and
they
and
chris
wood
donated
the
parse
a
portion
by
just
short,
just,
I
think,
4.9
acres
to
the
town,
that
was
the
town
of
groton's,
open
space
contribution
and
the
rest
was
on
in
the
town
of
ledger.
Okay,
but
it
kind
of
because
of
the
way
they
own
the
parcel.
We
ended
up.
D
B
Is
good
news
is
that,
as
a
result
of
that
meeting,
there's
two
properties
that
are
town
owned?
That
ghost
has
said:
hey
we're
willing
to
provide
stewardship
and
support
for
it
right
right,
and
so
I
think
our
job
before
we
actually
get
to
review
the
proposal
is
to
say:
do
we
as
a
commission
do
we
support
the
recommendation
that
those
two
town
owned
properties
be
either
donated
from
the
town
kagosa
or
you
know?
What's
the
legal
well.
D
D
This
is
this
is
a
budding
the
candlewood
hill
excuse
me,
candlewood
ridge,
property,
it's
only
about
1.8,
acres
or
so
on
a
corner
lot
at
patrick
court,
there's
a
little
subdivision
back
in
there.
This
was
again
a
donation
to
the
town,
a
corner,
property
and
half
of
it
is
wetland
and
part
of
the
swamp
area
that
that
gosa
owns
that's
on
a
name
creek
that
goes
into
haley
brook.
B
D
On
the
table
they
haven't
committed
to
anything
other
than
we
would
be
interested
in
this.
So
because
I
didn't
have
any
property,
you
know
for
them
to
even
start
taking
a
look
at
what
what
our
expectations
would
be
and
stuff.
I
said
I
will
generate
the
stewardship
plan
for
this
these
two
parcels,
because
we
don't
have
those
we
were
talking
to
you
know
this
goes
back
to
what
the
show
meeting
was
all
about.
I
really
don't
want
to
take
away
her.
F
Right
so
we
so
tom
and
ann,
and
I,
as
the
stewardship
subcommittee,
had
a
meeting
with
with
members
of
well
one
member
of
apollonia,
the
the
groton
town
chair
and
then
and
then
we
have
three
four:
can
you
scroll
up
so
you
can
see
they
can
people
can
see?
Who
was
there
because
I
have
on?
I
have
on
there
the
list
of
people
that
we
were
with
okay,
so
three
people
from
from
gosa
so
jones
president
yesterday,
which
I
guess,
and
so
we
basically
as
we
we
talked
about,
we
met
with
them.
F
We
said
the
town
has
these
properties,
we
have
the
plans
and
we're
looking
for
just
input,
we're
trying
to
figure
out
what
to
do
to
execute
our
management
plans,
and
this
was
like
the
first
level
discussion
and
so
and
it
was,
I
thought
it
was
a
really
good
discussion
if
I
do
have
it
recorded,
if
any.
If
at
some
point
we
need
to
review
it,
I
also
did
I
guess
when
I
recorded
I'm
actually
a
transcript,
so
we
need
it,
we
have
it,
but
I'm
not
sure
we
need
it.
F
So
basically,
there
there
are
a
handful
of
takeaways,
one
of
which
was
was
not.
I
don't
know
if
this
is
well
yeah.
We
can
get
that
okay,
so
the
first
takeaway
was
that
that
we
as
the
town
need
to
develop
our
own
stewardship
manual
to
to
tell
our
stewards
what
we
expected
of
them.
So
avalonia
has
a
published
stewardship
plan,
but
they're
updating
it
and
they
said
they
would
give
us
their
updated
plan,
and
ghost
is
in
the
process
of
approving
it.
F
Here's
so
so
I
volunteered
to
start
producing
a
draft
plan
of
ours,
but
I
don't
have
any
of
the
new
information
for
those
guys
yet,
but
we
can
work
on
it
right.
So
so
we
should
have
a
plan
that
says:
here's
who
you
talk
to,
if
you
need
to
you
know,
do
certain
things:
here's
how
you
do
them
and
we'll
obviously
spend
time
together
deciding
what
all
those
enough
times.
B
F
That's
absolutely.
This
is
good
stuff,
okay,
and
so
the
manual
is
to
include
things
like
working
with
the
town
to
provide
resources
for
stew
chips.
So
it's
like
the
abalone
and
go
said
they
have
money
that
their
steward
you,
but
we
you
know,
we
don't
have
money
to
give
our
stewards
to
do
things.
We
have
to
figure
out
how
what
resources
they
need,
how
they
would
that
kind
of
stuff.
Again,
all
that
discussion
will
have
to
follow.
B
F
Have
to
figure
that
out,
but
we
figured
it
out
so
so
I
don't
think
it
makes
sense.
Do
things
right
so
so.
The
next
thing
is
that,
in
this
kind
of
way,
where
tom's,
what
he's
trying
to
get
us
to
approve
comes
in
is
that
is
that
if
we
identify
parcels
that
are
near
avalonia
and
or
ghost
of
properties,
and
when
we,
if
we
have
properties
that
are
next
door
or
near
them
they're,
you
know
they're
willing
to
talk
to
us
about
working
together
on
those
properties
right.
F
F
B
B
F
And
and
then
another
thing
was
to
be
nice,
a
few
quick
successes,
obviously
so
to
get
an
idea,
but
then
then
the
other
thing
was
to
to
canvas
and
butters
local
businesses
to
potential
stewards.
Now
this
was
something
that
that
apollonia
brought
up
the
body
brought
up,
but
but
actually
I'm
the
one
that
came
up
with
the
idea
for
abalone
when
I
was
still
active
with
the
temp
committee.
So
so
the
idea
is
you
get,
and
this
is
tom.
F
What
I
was
thinking
is
we
if
we
could
get
a
map
like
one
of
the
baby
sub
maps
on
there,
that
just
shows
where
all
the
properties
are
that
need
stewards.
We
could
start
looking,
but
but
basically,
look
at
the
property,
see
see
who
you
know
go
on
the
vote,
see
the
voters
are
and
and-
and
you
know,
send
them
letters
or
something
saying
hey.
F
We
have
you
know
this
property
we're
looking
for
people
willing
to
be
stewards,
and
and
coincidentally,
along
with
that,
I
was
at
a
reunion
with
my
female
classmates
from
the
academy,
one
of
them
lives
on
in
the
north
eastern
corner
and
she
walks
like
eight
miles.
A
day
on
ghost
of
properties
and
whatever-
and
she
said
she
doesn't
want
a
job
as
the
head
steward
but
she'd,
be
willing
to.
F
C
F
So
so
so
that
was
very
helpful
for
me,
so
I've
already
found
one
person
once
walks
on
my
property
and
then
and
then
look
for
businesses
to
maybe
sponsor
them.
Like
you
know,
you
have
to
sign
up
this
business
sponsors
this
whatever
that's
a
possibility
and
then
and
then
they're,
one
of
the
ghost
of
gods
has
been
on.
You
need
to
have
a
name
or
branding
for
your
program,
especially
I'm
a
town
of
groton
steward
or
whatever
you
want
to.
You
know,
call
them,
but
we
can
talk
about
that.
F
F
D
I
think
the
key
thing
behind
the
manual
is
there's
a
lot
of
questions
that
we
really
haven't
thought
about
relative
insurance
and
that
type
of
stuff
in
regard
to
what
can
people
be
doing
as
on
the
town
properties?
You
know:
are
there
any
liability
issues
and
all
this
kind
of
stuff,
and
that's
really
going
to
need
to
be
part
of
that
match?
We
can't
use
power.
F
F
A
F
F
H
D
Because
they
wouldn't
be
answering
a
lot
of
these
liability
issues
that
the
private
agencies,
such
as
ghosts
that
have
only
really
have
come
from
a
different
direction.
They
have.
They
know
they
already
have
an
insurance
coverage
because
they
they
already
have
that
specific
coverage.
I
don't
know
how
we
follow
yeah.
F
B
D
Right
now,
as
we
mentioned,
there's
two
parcels
that
I'd
like
to
I've
developed
a
what
they
call
land
town
road,
open
space,
stewardship
plan,
it's
very
similar
to
all
the
prior
ones
that
we
have
it's
all
included
in
your
pack,
starting
on
page
seven,
two
there's
just
two
partial
ones
for
like
I
mentioned,
that's
totally
landlocked.
It's
called
zero
north
road,
but
it's
an
old
development
for
the
cr.
B
D
Yeah,
well,
this
part
stop
right
here.
I
think
this
was
interesting,
because
this
parcel
it's
in
the
light,
blue
and
there's
a
I
have
about
five.
So
it's
five
or
six
of
blue
dots
on
the
parcel,
because
there's
this
town
of
groton
conservation,
easement
area
some
postings
at
each
of
those
dots,
never
seen
that's
what
you're
doing
here.
Okay,
that's!
What
that's!
What
I'm
showing
here
is
that
that
little
medallion
is
nailed
on
trees
wherever
there's.
D
And
it
also
kind
of
represents
the
area.
That's
mowed
from
the
street
to
the
blue.
Dots
is
what's
being
mowed
now
is
that
being
encumbered
by
the
locals
there?
That
are
doing
that?
I
don't
know
who
you
know
if
they,
if
they
take
turns
in
the
subdivision
or
whatever,
but
that
sign
is
clearly
on
town
property,
it's
clearly
being
mowed
and
and
everything
on
town
property,
you've.
G
D
C
G
D
D
Of
identified
as
a
couple
of
years
ago,
I
brought
it
up
because
when
I
first
found
it
when
I
was
going
by
these,
because
I
was
on
a
on
a
on
a
boundary-
walk
with
ghosts
a
couple
years
ago,
because
they
do
it
in
january,
they
actually
I
and
I've
assisted
them
under
on
this
boundary,
walk
here
and
that's
where
I
ran
into
it.
That's
the
other.
Blue
dots
are
also.
I
got
those
from
the
ghost
boundary
block.
D
B
D
D
D
B
D
D
D
D
A
D
B
C
B
D
Okay,
so
now
just
continue
on,
then
we'll
keep
going
down
the
next
section.
So
this
goes
into
the
standard
where
the
locations
are.
You
can
kind
of
see
where
the
blue
flags
are
in
the
upper
left-hand
corner
is
the
triangle
area?
That's
that's
totally,
surrounded
by
ghosa
property
for
their
avery
farm
and
that's
totally
landlocked
other
than
the
road,
the
that,
in
the
middle
of
that
going
from
the
south
east
corner
up
to
the
central
portion
there.
That
is
a
eversource,
a
power.
D
D
It's
drivable,
actually,
okay,
all
the
way
into
into
into
ledger.
Okay,
so
that's
the
only
access
that
you
have
and
then
from
chris
wood
trace
the
hot
the
street
there
there
there's
an
informal
pathway
to
that
act
to
that
path.
Right
now,
right
and
along
the
toe
along
the
bottom
edge
that
whole
southern
border
right
there
there's
it's
all
stone
wall
and
then
the
other
one's
down,
patrick
quarters,
then
in
the
right
hand,
corner
there
over.
The
subdivision
is
on
long
lantern
rope
that
we
already
talked
about
in
details.
D
Okay
from
a
resource
perspective,
I've
got
the
goals,
it's
just
protection
of
the
of
the
haley
brook
there
for
both
properties
and
the
carbon
area.
There
is
some-
and
I
put-
I
noted,
the
hiking
I
just
talked
about
with
the
eversource
access.
Okay,
next
page,
this
is
you
know,
taking
a
look
at
the
the
parcels
from
the
hydrology.
H
D
D
D
D
The
upper
parcel
is
not
part
of
the
natural
diversity,
but
the
lower
parcel
is
100
inside
the
natural
diversity
area.
So
it's
high
good
good
value
likewise.
Also
for
the
resiliency
map
is
pretty
much
the
standard
and
the
next
pages
are
just
the
area
continue
along.
There
are
the
aerials
just
for
documentation
purposes
and
again,
no
historical,
recreational
summary,
because
there
aren't
any
hiking
other
than
the
the
hiking
trail
through
the
center
line
over
there.
D
D
B
B
D
And
so
this
is
a
very
standard
to
what
we've
seen
on
the
other
stewardship
plans
of
the
area
cleanup
the
marker
berries
survey
area
for
for
any
kind
of
trash
and
signage
if
necessary.
I
didn't
really
see
that
much,
so
I
didn't
really
document
any
couple,
little
pieces
along
patrick
court,
but
and
then
and
then
the
one
the
new
one
here
is,
I
will
add
one
resolve
the
conservation,
easements
signage
issues.
D
I
will
add
that
as
an
action
item
and
then
the
full
parcel
was
evaluate
potential
for
incorporation
of
the
particles
into
the
budding
ghost
properties
and
that's
really
a
long-term
type
of
thing.
As
far
as
a
potential
d
change
for
the
town
to
turn
this
stuff
over,
somehow,
you
know
whatever's
creative
that
we
could
potentially
develop.
I'm
not
going
to
really
speculate
at
this
point.
How
to
do
that,
but
it's
one
thing
we
may
want
to
investigate
it.
D
Also,
if
cosa
wants
the
things
to
better,
have
better
protection
of
them
now
they
are
open
space
in
the
town,
so
it
is
dedicated
open
space,
but
it
depends
on
whether
town
wants
to
maintain
warship
or
ghost
wants
to
absorb
it
into
theirs.
Already,
that's
a
future
discussion.
That's
what
I
do!
No,
no
it's
in
there.
Okay,
that's.
B
B
D
D
The
exit
of
the
records
here
is
that
I
think
we
need
to
do
some
investigation
into
this
to
see
you
know
what
is
there
some
right
away
with
the
town
that
we
we
have
to
be
worried
about
and
there's
is
this
a
con
so
with
that
right
away?
Was
there
a
conservation
he's
been
attached
to
it
and
we
need
to
pull
up
the
details
bruce.
D
D
A
D
Right
I
mean
and
that
that's
attached
on
page
in
our
packet
here,
page
21,
whereas
the
statement
I
read
at
the-
and
I
just
point
out
to
you
that
you
know
we
looked
at
at
the
last
meeting-
we
knew
that
they
had
the
planning
department
had
submitted
the
cip
at
the
projected
25
000
rate,
and
what
I
did
I
kind
of
went
off
a
little
bit
more
than
that.
I
suggested
to
the
town
as
part
of
my
public
hearing
statement,
to
take
a
look
at
what
was
done
last
year.
D
D
So
why
don't
you
consider?
Because
a
lot
of
that
was
covered
based
and
unknown?
What
things
were
happening?
Consider
restoring
that
money
this
year,
because
we've
already
depleted
the
the
open
space
acquisition
fund
down
to
zero.
Already,
okay,
I'm
going
to
get
depleted
because
because
of
what
okay
got
it?
Okay
for
the
surveys
and
all
this
other
kind
of
stuff
that
we're
done?
Okay,
which.
F
D
I
don't
know,
what's
going
to
happen,
looking
at
the
agenda
that
it
comes,
the
cips
come
up
all
night
tomorrow
and
then
whatever
left
over
on
saturday
morning,
but
last
year
we
got
kicked
to
saturday
morning.
So
I
kind
of
suspect,
that's
what's
going
to
happen
this
year,
yeah
just
because
there's
so
many
other
cips
in
front
of
us
because
we're
they
go
zero
through
through
nine
and
we're
in
the
eights.
D
B
Okay,
so
let
me
stop
share
there.
Let
me
see
your
screen
here
and
all
right,
so
there's
a
meeting
this
friday
with
myself,
john
reiner
and
the
yukon
team.
As
you
recall
last
meeting,
we
said
we're
trying
to
get
some
handle
on
the
carbon
emission
measurement
this
this.
This
is
not
a
this
to
me,
doesn't
look
like
a
working
model,
so
I
got
some
questions
on
it,
but
I
think
it
partly
is
this.
B
I
would
this
is
the
impact
you
have
so
therefore,
you
know,
then
one
could
take
some
action
on
it.
So
then,
there's
also,
let's
see,
there's
the
impact
of
this,
so
the
solar
they
took
a
whack
at
social
costs
of
connecticut
carbon
emissions.
That's
it
like.
I
said
I
just
got
this
like
an
hour
ago
well,
an
hour
before
this.
B
Well,
yeah,
there's
no
detail
in
it.
I
mean
it's.
This
is
a
representation
of
what
they
want
to
come
up
with.
So
I'll
know
more
friday
when
we
have
our
meeting-
and
I
can
ask
them
questions
on.
What's
what's
in
this
stuff,
you
know
these
are
data
points
on
how
they're,
calculating
and
assumptions
I
think
they're
using
we'll
have
to
ask
them
where
they
got
that
data
from
one
would
hope.
B
There's
a
manual
that
says
you
know
how
do
you
know
it's
14.2
kilograms
of
co2
per
gallon
with
that
data
come
from
right
that
kind
of
stuff,
so
that's
kind
of
it.
So
it's
slowly
making
progress,
but
it's
it
seems
to
my
first
guess:
it
seems
to
be
along
the
lines
of
what
we
were
looking
for
is
to
provide
a
tool
for
the
town
staff
so
that
they
can
calculate
on
any
new
development
submission.
B
E
B
B
And
you
have
to
know
where
you
are
that's
correct
and
and
where
you
want
to
be
so
you
know.
So
I
guess
it's
it's
the
thought
process.
You
know
we
had
a
couple
of
meetings,
so
they
it
seemed
to
have
captured
the
thought
process,
how
good
the
data
is
other
than
that.
I
don't
know
yet
right.
So
I
can't
I
can't
endorse
it
yet
so
anyway,
this
is
public
information
that
could
be
used
in
rhode,
island
too.
So.
B
B
B
A
B
B
So
based
upon
the
motion,
I
put
this,
which
was
kind
of
an
update
from
october
14
that
went
through
the
history
this
one.
This
was
in
the
panda
right
named
john.
No,
no
was
it.
It
wasn't
in
the
packet.
No,
no
all
right
with
this.
This
is
a
restatement
of
what
was
there
then
that
our
last
meeting,
I
kind
of
went
through
the
analysis
and
kind
of
reduced
it
and
got
down
to
these
one.
Two,
three,
four,
five,
these
six
parcels
are
five
particles.
I.
A
B
B
B
G
A
B
A
A
D
Right,
I
guess
question
originally.
When
we
were
working
this
list,
we
had,
I
think,
over
50
parcels
that
were
not
had.
I
couldn't
find
any
type
of
identification
on
the
d
that
there
were
open
space
dedications
to
them.
I
guess
we
called
that
down
to
the
larger
parcels
that
we
want
to
take
action
on,
and
then
we
also
referenced
you
back
to
the
20
or
2005
time
frame.
I
think
there
was
some
I
gave.
B
D
A
B
A
B
A
A
B
A
A
I
mean
yeah,
I'm
sure
it's
the
tax
department.
I
think
it's,
the
town
manager,
it's
probably
someone
from
planning
and
development
services,
I'm
sure
someone
from
public
works
is
representative,
I'm
sure
parks
and
rec
is
a
representative.
I
I
think
it's
a
lot
of
different
department
heads
to
come
together.
F
B
F
A
All
right,
my
suggestion
would
be
so
you
have
an
email
chain
where
you
and
tom,
I
think,
we're
inquiring.
What
is
the
process
for
determining
the
status
of
a
counter
parcel
that
doesn't
have
any
designation?
You
have
an
email
chain
of
that
and
what
came
of
that?
Is
they
sent
you
the
process
for
how
parsley
would
go
from
not
being
deemed
anything
to
being
deemed
open
space
or
otherwise.
A
So
what
I
would
do
is,
I
would
remind
them
of
that
conversation
from
being
the
town
manager.
I
would
start
with
him
say
you
know.
We
would
like
this
memo
that
you
just
referenced
to
go
through
this
process.
We
talked
about
you
know
back
in
november
of
last
year,
if
you're
not
the
correct
contact
to
initiate
this
process.
A
B
F
B
B
F
D
B
F
B
D
in
regard
to
the
time
of
groton
housing
authority
master
plan,
that's
how
I
would
portray
it
about
a
60-page
presentation,
that's
posted
on
the
town,
webs
site,
it's
gonna
be
discussed
and
they're
looking
for
comments,
and
so
I
reviewed
this
document
over
the
weekend
and
came
up
with
there's
the
word
open
space
is
used
on
three
pages
of
it.
Okay,
it's
all
the
recommendations,
they're,
either
they're
recommending
in
the
right.
The
summary
of
recommendations
is
the
short
term
and
midterm
is
zoning.
D
Changes
to
encourage
housing,
growth
and
leverage
public
land
for
housing,
production
against
short
term
and
long
term
is
zero
two
in
three
to
five
years
and
then
on
the
details
of
that.
The
zoning
changes
to
encourage
housing
growth
is
consider
adding
an
open
space
subdivision
district,
smaller
lot
size
requirements,
possibly
in
the
five
to
ten
acre
range.
Current
district
requires
20
acres
and
then
the
second
one
area
that
I
had
concerned
with
was
that
leveraged
public
land
for
housing
production.
D
This
goes
into
a
consider.
Minimum
lot
size
of
5
000
square
feet,
preference
for
larger
sites
to
accommodate
multi-family
units,
use
of
property,
sure
there
are
no
other
competing
public
uses
for
the
property
and
no
plans
for
other
town
or
school
district
departments
for
future
use
of
property,
use,
housing
type
to
be
compatible
or
not
conflict
with
the
existing
neighborhood
character,
and
then
zoning
properties
should
be
an
existing
residential
or
mixed
use,
district
or
overlay
zone,
and
it
goes
into
a
bunch
of
other
infrastructure,
property,
location
and
environmental
considerations.
D
C
D
It
sounds
like
a
land
grab
a
little
bit
well,
their
recommendations
from
the
contractor
are
clearly
a
land
grab,
and
rightly
so.
I
mean
this
is
a
town
commission
for
housing
that
they're
trying
to
keep
the
cost
down.
We
saw
these
same
people
come
up
during
the
discussions
for
the
knowing
school
space.
They
came
in
with
very.
B
C
D
D
Dedicated
open
space,
because,
right
now,
if
it's
it's
not
facilities
that
the
schools
boards
managing
or
part
of
public
works,
is
managing
and
it's
not
a
managed
open
space
where
parks
and
rec
has
already
got
something
they
want
to
go
after
dedicated
open
space,
because
there's
nothing
there
right
now.
So.
D
Right
now,
let's
go
what
we
said
right
by
the
the
joel
property
on
on
on
the
planet:
road,
okay
across
or
next
door-
to
the
eb
parking
lot
there
right
that'd
be
you
could
put
some
property
in
there.
There's
there's
there's
housing
in
this
on
the
brought
on
the
town
on
the
city
side,
you
could
put
some
housing
in
there.
In
theory,
the
joel.
D
D
D
C
B
Have
I
think
your
point
is
right,
given
that's
the
case,
we
should
go
there
and
say
time
out
guys,
yeah
that
we
have
jet.
We
strenuously
object
to
a
land
grab
on
dedicated,
open
space
to
go,
build
houses
on
it's
against
everything.
We've
just
worked
through
period.
That's
it
I
mean
I
am
like
anybody
else.
You.
G
D
D
D
D
I
hear
you
but
there's,
but
there's
if
you
take
a
look,
there's
like
a
probably
four
parcels
that
are
town
owned
now.
A
good
example
would
be
right
at
this
at
the
front
of
the
kalanaski
school
entrance.
There's
two
parcels
there
that
we're
trying
to
sell
and
the
town
just
took
those
on
for
closure
right
yeah,
that's
the
kind
of
property
that
they
would
be
looking
for,
but
that
was
on
our.
D
B
B
B
B
G
F
B
That's
that's
our
collective
property.
Okay,
that
is
check
now
the
report
of
chair.
The
only
thing
I
had
to,
oh,
I
guess
is
to
mention
tom-
is
supporting
the
back
whack
april
6
meeting.
Yes,
you
can
report
on
that
at
our
next
meeting
next
meeting
and
that
gets
us
down
to
reported
staff
and
bruce
was
at
the
cause
2022..