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From YouTube: Mystic Parking Study Phase II Study Group - 7/22/22
Description
Town of Groton Mystic Parking Study Phase II Study Group July 22, 2022.
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A
This
is
a
kind
of
parking
implementation
group
thinking
about
downtown
mystic
that
both
the
town
of
groton
and
the
town
of
stonington
are
involved
in
and
john
burke
has
been
our
consultant
on
this
project.
He's
worked
with
us
on
the
original
mystic
parking
implementation
project.
There
was
a
study
that
was
sent
around
to
everyone
that
we
wrapped
up
a
little
over
a
year
ago
and
that
really
laid
the
groundwork
for
a
lot
of
the
steps
that
we
need
to
now.
Think
about
for
the
two
towns
on.
How
do
we
implement
these
steps?
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What
are
we
willing
to
implement
with
our
partners,
the
cost
of
that
the
impacts
and
the
timeline?
So
I'm
john
reiner,
I'm
the
director
of
planning
and
development
for
the
town
of
groton,
and,
let's
see
next
person
on
my
row,
is
todd
brady.
If
you
want
to
just
say
hello,
oh
you're,
muted,
todd.
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B
Bruce
jones
bruce
jones
town
counselor
counter
groton.
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Thank
you,
robert
bochez
or
chazy.
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All
right,
thank
you.
Pamela.
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G
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Oh
excellent,
okay,
let's
see
did
I
say,
did
bruce
jones
go
okay,.
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All
right,
greg,
canover,
hello,
greg
canover,
director
of
public
works
for
tonight,
groton
hi,
shannon.
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Shannon
mckenzie
vice
president
of
mystic
seedport
museum.
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E
C
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Susan
cullen.
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Okay,
let's
see
john
burt.
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I'm
burke
town
manager
for
gratton
excuse
my
voice,
I'm
fairly
sick
today
and.
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Yeah,
I
just
bumped
him
up
and
I'll
try
to
promote
him
to
panelists,
but
he
can
talk
now.
A
All
right,
maybe
he'll,
jump
in
all
right.
So
all
right
thanks
for
the
introductions
and
going
through
that,
so
I
will
john
burke
yeah.
We
get
a
lot
of
john's
and
john
burton
and
john
burke
so
I'll
just
try
to
keep
that
all
straight.
John
burke
did
you
want
to
first
out
on
the
agenda
going
over
kind
of
where
we
started
and
then,
where.
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J
It's
been
john
said
been
just
about
a
little
bit
more
than
a
year
since
we
issued
the
mystic
parking
study
report-
and
you
know
a
lot
has
happened
in
the
village
with
regard
to
parking
and
we've
seen
some
some
of
the
elements
of
the
recommendations
move
forward
on
the
private
side,
with
with
projects
that
we're
going
to
hear
about,
I
guess
in
a
little
bit
report
outs
on,
but
on
the
public
side
we
we
want
to
start
to
formulate
that
strategy
and
and
try
to
put
forth
a
series
of
complementary
actions
that
will
make
things
much
better
down
there.
J
I
thought,
maybe
to
start
just
to
go
through
very
very
briefly
the
parking
program
elements
that
were
recommended
a
year
ago-
and
there
were
two
really
two
sets
of
these-
these
are
on
page
33
and
34
of
the
final
report,
which
focused
on
year-round
actions
and
then
just
seasonal
high
season
actions
when
demand
is
the
greatest.
J
The
year-round
element
started
really
with
a
recommendation
for
expanding
off
street
parking,
because
there
is
a
shortage
of
off-street
public
parking
in
mystic
and
that's
not
to
be
confused
with
the
need
for
new
structured
parking
or
or
constructing
new
parking.
It's
just
simply
stated
that
in
our
in
our
review
of
the
five-minute
zone,
walk
zone
that
there's
a
shortage
of
that
you
know
during
during
the
peak
season,
so
expanding
off
street
parking
is
something
we'd
like
to
look
at
and
that
particularly
on
shared
lot
agreements.
J
That
means
potential
lease
agreements
and
even
in
some
cases,
can
mean
for
communities
like
this
acquisition
of
of
of
parcels
when
it
makes
sense,
we
saw
one
come
up
for
sale,
one
pearl
street.
Of
course
that's
on
the
private
tax
roll.
It's
a
good
thing
to
keep
that
private
and
keep
it
parking
that
so.
But
you
know
that's
also
something
that
the
communities
can
keep
an
eye
out
for
shared
leased
and
acquired
okay,
and
so
we
also
in
looking
at
that
we
look
at
parking
on
street
that
may
be
unregulated.
J
That
may
be
further
out
from
the
five-minute
zone
that
may
be
available,
sometimes
that
what
comes
to
mind
is
like
library
street
there
in
groton,
where
you
know,
even
when
the
union
baptist
church
is
full
and
the
downtown's
full
that
street
sometimes
is
half
half
empty,
and
it's
right
next
to
the
lot,
that's
full.
So
there
might
be
some
confusion
about.
You
know
can
I
park
here.
J
Can
I
not
park
here
and
maybe
maybe
striping-
that
space
makes
sense
to
also
expand
the
effect
of
long-term
off-street
parking
and
keep
people
by
the
way
from
parking
in
front
of
driveways
and
too
close
to
driveways?
And
things
like
that,
so
that
that
was
one
we
we
also
had
recommended
automating
expanding
the
art
museum
lot.
I
think
they've
gone
through
an
automation
project.
Maybe
we'll
hear
a
little
bit
about
that's
gone
forward.
J
We
talked
about
metering,
the
two-hour
zone,
both
sides
of
the
bridge,
not
a
lot
of
parking
spaces.
You
know
maybe
150
parking
spaces,
but
these
are
the
spaces
that
are
designated
for
visitors
and
customers
and
they're
in
the
highest
demand
of
probably
all
the
parking
downtown
and,
and
so
the
you
know,
the
need
for
creating
availability
in
those
spaces
for
moving
employees
out
of
those
spaces.
J
You
know
for
reducing
the
amount
of
people
circling
looking
for
parking
and
adding
to
your
traffic
problem
downtown.
All
those
things
can
be
remedied
with
with
a
paid
parking,
and
you
know
ensuring
that
those
payments
can
come
from
mobile
payments
from
from
cash
and
credit
all
options,
whether
it's
qr
code,
you've
seen
some
of
that
go
into
town.
Now,
on
the
private
side
text
to
pay
all
of
these
types
of
options
should
be
available.
J
Merchant
validations
at
the
meter.
We
talked
about
perhaps
15
minutes
free
at
the
meter.
To
start
the
session
is
a
possibility.
Certainly
you
know
once
we've
expanded
off
street
parking
through
shared
lot
agreements
and
other
other
avenues
that
there's
an
opportunity
to
have
employee
permit
parking.
So,
there's
a
way
to
provide
a
the
employee,
a
short
walk,
not
not
materially
too
much
different
than
what
they're
trying
to
find
in
the
two-hour
zone,
but
off-street
and
maybe
a
little
bit
further
away
right.
J
So
a
permit
program
was
recommended
and
then
expanding
enforcement
coverage
such
that
we
have
one
enforcement
officer
on
both
sides
of
the
bridge
at
all
times
during
the
regulated
zone
regulated
times
and
that's
typically,
you
know:
9
a.m,
to
6
p.m
and
then
providing
them
with
the
latest
technology
so
that
they're
able
to
use
wireless.
You
know
handheld
devices,
whether
they're
scanning
plates
or
lookups
or
even
lp,
license
plate
recognition
from
the
vehicle.
Those
that's
that's
the
current
way
that
we
enforce
high
demand
downtowns
like
mystic.
So
those
are
you
know.
J
The
majority
of
communities
on
the
new
england
coast
promote
valet
to
for
the
very
reason
that
you're
just
taking
cars,
maybe
losing
a
space
or
two
on
the
street
during
the
dinner
hour
and
moving
some
of
these
cars
that
would
otherwise
be
sitting
on
the
waterfront,
maybe
move
those
outside
at
a
location.
That's
agreeable
to
the
municipality
under
a
regulated
ballet.
So
that's
a
very
popular,
very
effective
strategy
for
parking.
J
So
and
then
you
know
finally,
monitoring
parking
occupancy
rates
on
residential
streets
for
customer
employee
infiltration,
which
may
require
regulation
in
certain
circumstances
where
you
might
have
say,
multi-family,
housing
or
a
high
need
for
parking
that
isn't
met
on
the
residential
side.
So
we
have
to
continue
to
monitor,
as
these
things
go
forward,
we're
not
going
to
turn
a
blind
eye
and
just
put
it
out
and
walk
away.
J
So
that's
sort
of
the
real
season
during
the
the
year-round
season,
as
we
say,
and
year
round
by
the
way,
could
mean
for
metered
parking
could
mean
you
know,
april
to
december
you
certainly
had
we
went
out
looked
at
demand
in
october
november.
You
certainly
had
the
demand
for
regulated
parking
in
those
months.
When
we
did
our
studies
january
february
march,
a
lot
of
coastal
communities
decide
to
relax
their
enforcement
requirements,
relax
their
paid
program
in
the
months
of
january
february
march.
Why?
Because
demand
significantly
drops
so
some
communities
will
drop
it
all
together.
J
Some
might
just
continue
time
zones
on
main
street
and-
and
you
know
so,
those
are
those
are
things
that
we
want
to
talk
about
summer
season.
We
want
to
do
all
that,
all
that
we
talked
about,
but
now
we're
interested
in
peripheral
parking,
10
minutes
away,
we're
looking
at
those
parking
lots
as
well.
I
know
you've
got
a
pilot
shuttle
going
on
at
the
seaport
mystic
museum
there
on
the
south
a
lot,
that's
a
12
minute,
walk
to
the
bridge,
so
certainly
a
reasonable
walk
in
what
is
extremely
high
demand
village.
J
That's
a
reasonable
walk
distance
for
a
lot
of
people,
especially
because
it's
flat,
so
you
know
we
want
to
look
at
acquiring
more
peripheral
lots.
We
want
to
link
that
to
a
shuttle
bus
system
over
time,
perhaps
a
shuttle
system
that
could
come
all
the
way
from
95
and
we
kind
of
looked
at
some
potential
routes
that
don't
get
into
the
busyness
of
the
of
the
bridge
traffic.
J
J
It's
not
going
to
solve
all
your
parking
problems,
but
it's
an
important
element
of
it
and
it
can
be
supported,
certainly
with
in
the
state
of
connecticut
70
operating
funds,
but
by
the
connecticut
d.o.t,
and
you
know,
we've
had
a
couple
of
conversations
with
your
general
manager
at
seat
my
carol,
and
he
certainly
is
interested
in
participating
in
the
development
of
something
now
you've
got
a
pilot
that
could
be
expanded
over
time.
So
you
know
that's
the
kind
of
thing
that
we
want
to
look
at
one
thing.
J
I
want
to
leave
you,
though,
in
the
recommendations
section
here.
Is
we
don't
typically
cherry
pick?
We
really
you
know
they.
These
these
recommendations
are
complementary
of
one
another.
They
don't
work
particularly
well
when
one's
removed
and
for
instance,
paid
parking
is
really
the
glue
is
really
the
the
way
that
you
put
folks
in
you
put
employees
in
employee.
Permit
lots
it's
the
way
you
put
people
on
in
the
seats
of
buses.
J
That's
how
buses
fill
if,
if
parking's
free
in
the
downtown,
there's
very
little
incentive
for
folks
to
remotely
park
and
walk
in
shuttle
in
seek
an
alternative
that
may
be
slightly
less
less
efficient
for
them,
albeit
at
a
lower
price.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
mentioned
that
that
these
are
complementary
elements.
So
I
know
we're
going
to
talk
talk
more
about
these
as
we
go
forward,
but
maybe
that's
a
good
segue
john,
to
go
back
to
the
outreach
forum
survey
on
some
of
these.
A
Yeah
yeah,
let
me
try
to
share
my
screen,
showing
those
recommendations.
So,
for
those
of
you
not
familiar,
the
town
of
groton
back
a
number
of
months
ago
launched
a
new
platform
called
greater
groton
and
we
have
a
host
a
number
of
different
topics
up
there
that
we
can
have
surveys.
A
We
can
post
information,
the
public
can
offer
feedback
on
it
and
it's
a
tool
that
we've
been
using
quite
a
bit
on
a
number
of
special
projects,
and
I
believe
we
had
sent
out
to
everyone
a
little
flyer
that
looked
like
this
or
a
kind
of
a
summary
sheet
of
what
was
happening
on
our
greater
groton
site
and
just
to
kind
of
give
a
little
bit
of
quick
feedback.
So.
A
You
know
here
we
gave
some
kind
of
pulled
results
of
what
people
are
looking
for.
The
most
you
know
not
surprising
the
general
feedback
we're
getting
from
the
surveys
is
expand
off
street
public
parking
options,
which
you
know
that
is
one
of
the
more
costly
things
to
do.
As
john
connor
just
went
over
addressing
peak
summer
demand
parking
meters,
residential
parking
permits,
employee
parking
and
valet.
A
You
know
all
getting
a
little
bit,
but
it
really
you
know
the
biggest
item
is
expanding,
that
off
street
public
parking
options,
but
I
don't
you
know
again,
it's
the
cost
of
things,
so
we
are
getting
some
feedback
on
that
also
hearing,
you
know
the
participation
levels
of
how
many
people
are
involved
in
looking
at
the
survey.
A
This
was
based
off
of
oh
about
say,
10
days
ago
now,
as
of
july
12th,
we
do
have
a
fair
amount
of
people
that
are
looking
at
the
site,
and
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
we
really
hope
that
all
of
you,
as
you're
involved
in
this
project
can
help
do,
is
at
least
for
the
grand
side
and
or
for
the
stoning.
Stonington
side
steer
people
towards
this
webpage,
ask
them
to
offer
some
feedback
and
also
in
your
conversations
with
people,
try
to
get
some
feedback
from
them.
A
J
A
J
A
Overview
a
little
bit
more
in
depth
of
what
you
just
did
of
the
previous
parking
study.
There
are
a
lot
of
good
questions,
a
lot
of
good
dialogue,
but
there's
still
a
desire
from
a
number
of
council
members,
at
least
on
the
ground
side
of
how
can
we
be
getting
more
public
feedback
and
more
public
input?
And
what
are
the
next
steps
from
there?
So
that's
something
that's
going
to
keep
coming
up.
A
I
think,
through
this
process
also,
what
you'll
see
in
that
handout
was
specifically
a
number
of
the
ideas
and
suggestions
that
people
could
plug
into
the
website.
I'm
not
gonna
go
through
all
these.
Today.
A
People
can
read
through
this
total
five
page
document,
but
you
know
definitely
suggestions
and
comments
that
were
happening
and
what
we're
getting
from
people
ranging
from
trolleys.
We
need
a
parking
garage.
We
don't
want
a
parking
garage
think
about
aesthetics.
You
know
police
enforcement
things
along
those
lines.
We
also
did
get
some
mapping
tool,
suggestions
and
comments.
A
A
A
So
can
everybody
see
the
agenda
now?
Okay,
yes,
all
right!
So
john
burke
went
through
the
summary
of
the
study
recommendations.
A
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
little
bit
of
feedback
on
that
greater
grout
and
community
outreach
again
that
is
still
open
and
it's
continuing
to
get
additional
public
feedback.
So
if
people
can
steer
the
the
public
and
interested
parties
towards
that
document,
that's
great
or
if
people
want
to
send
us,
you
know
emails
to
myself
or
to
susan
cullen
on
the
stonington
side.
A
So
the
other
item
we
want
to
cover
the
next
agenda
item
or
the
parking
initiatives
and
mystic
that
have
happened
since
we
did
that
parking
study
and
there
really
has
been
a
lot
of
projects
happening
on
the
private
side
of
things,
and
I
know
someone
is
on
from
the
mystic
museum
of
art.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
project
or
john
burke.
If
you
want
to
weigh
in
on
that
also.
N
J
And
yeah
sorry.
A
Right,
I
think
pamela
from
was
here
from
the
museum.
I
don't
know
if
you.
F
Hopefully,
todd
brady
can
talk
if
his
microphone's
working
odd.
N
Just
by
a
way
of
introduction,
I'm
todd
brady,
I'm
the
owner
of
factory
square
and
randallsworth
mystic,
downtown
marina,
and
I
also
am
on
the
board
of
the
missing
museum
of
art,
at
least
for
a
couple
more
months,
but
they
keep
extending
my
turn,
but
I'm
at
year
seven.
So
I
think
I'm
getting
about
done.
Yeah
as
as
most
you
probably
know
over
the
past
six
months
or
so,
the
museum
has
instituted
and
implemented
a
non-attended
parking
system.
N
Utilizes
license
plate
readers,
it
also,
and
those
are
keyed
into
people
who
have
paid
for
parking
on
an
ongoing
basis
and
also
for
those
who
come
in
and
I
and
unfortunately,
I've
been
so
busy.
Otherwise,
I
can't.
L
N
All
that,
specifically
about
how
it's
working
out
other
than
it
seems
to
be
working,
it's
required
some
modifications
and
we're
the
biggest
issue
I
think,
is
trying
to
avoid
backups
at
the
exit
and
it
and
pamela.
I
think
you
probably
confirmed
this
to
me.
There
are
kiosks
where
the
the
the
people
who
park
there
can
pay
in
advance
of
getting
in
line,
but
I
would
say,
they're,
probably
not
being
utilized
to
anywhere
near
the
degree
that
we
had
hoped.
Would
you
agree?
That's
the
case.
F
Yes,
absolutely
there's
a
lot
of
confusion
which
last
parking
who's
actually
managing
it
has
been
working
quite
hard
to
overcome.
The
problem
is,
is
the
majority
of
the
users
or
one-time
users,
so
they
come
and
they
don't
learn,
but
they
most
peak
times
they
have
somebody
on
site.
So
when
there
is
that
person
trying
to
check
out
is
terribly
confused,
it
gets
taken
care
of
timely,
but
at
peak
times
there
are
still
quite
long
backups.
F
N
It's
it's
it's.
You
know
you
get
cars
approaching
from
both
directions,
and,
and
that
was
not
the
the
plan.
The
plan
was
that
everyone
would
have
to
swing
around
and
come
and
and
leave
at
the
same
place.
Of
course,
what
happens
is
that
you
could
have
five
people
use
the
kiosk
and
have
their
ticket
all
ready.
N
If
the
person
who's
actually
at
the
exit
point
is
confused
or
whatever.
N
Else
is
in
backed
up
and
we
we
don't
currently
have
enough
room
to
have
two
lanes
which
would
make,
I
think,
a
big
difference,
but
that
that's
another
issue
that's
being
dealt
with,
but.
K
N
Suffice
to
say
that
it's
it's
working
better
than
the
prior
attempt
by
the
museum
about
20
years
ago
to
go
to
a
non-attended
parking
system
which
really
was
pretty
disastrous.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
todd
and
pamela
and
any
other
plans
in
the
near
future.
Aside
from
continuing
to
work
with
laz
and
just
improving
the
system,
you
have
there.
N
N
Would
have
produced
more
parking
spaces,
and
that
is
is
still
something
that
the
museum
is
looking
at.
I
I
think
it's
it's
probably
something
you
could
justify
on
a
capital
improvement
basis
in
terms
of
additional
income,
but
it
would
involve
you
know,
going
back
to
planning
and
zoning,
because
it's
basically
reformulating
the
current
location
of
the
lanes,
the
parking
and
everything
else-
and
you
know.
N
N
The
advantage
of
the
current
system
is
that
the
system
is
basically,
you
have
to
pay
to
park
there
24
hours
a
day,
365
days
a
year,
whereas
the
prior
system,
the
gate,
went
up
at
one
o'clock
in
the
morning
and
there
were
a
fair
number
of
people
who
gained
that
fairly
successfully
and
then
would
just
hang
around
until
the
gate
went
up
and
then
leave
would
never
pay
and
never
pay.
A
Let's
see
the
new
paid
public
parking
in
certain
private
lots.
I
think
there's
a
number
of
those
around
john
burke.
Do
you
want
to
speak
to
those
a
little
bit
before
we
jump
over
to
the
mystic
seaport.
J
Sure
yeah,
I
know
in
talking
with
leo
roach
the
you
know.
I
believe
he
just
started
that
one
pearl
street
with
the
pay
station
in
that
lot
and
I
think
utilization
revenue
is
fairly
strong
in
the
first
week
from
what
I
understand
and
also
like
the
chelsea
groton
bank.
J
I
don't
know
if,
if
bruce
bruce
flax,
I
mean
know
more
about
this
because
I
think
there's
a
relationship
there
with
the
chamber,
but
they
also
went
to
you
know
parking
at
certain
times
for
for
qr
base
code
parking,
but
maybe
bruce
has
more
on
that.
K
I
I
don't
have
anything
specific
to
report
other
than
they
had
reached
out
to
us
and
the
mystic
downtown
merchants
to
say
that,
should
that
be
profitable,
they
would
give
the
money
to
the
merchants
in
the
chamber
to
do.
You
know
to
do
events
down
to
contribute
to
us
for
downtown,
but
I
don't
know
how
the
how
they're
doing,
although
I
think
in
the
first
couple
of
weekends,
they
did
better
than
they
thought
they
were
going
to
do.
N
J
I
think
it's
a,
I
think,
there's
a
sign
q
qr
code
on
the
sign
similar
to
the
restaurant
when
you
go
in
and
order
and
you
just
bring
that
up,
that'll,
send
you
directly
to
a
secure
site
where
you
can.
You
know,
enter
your
payment
information
right
there.
I
I
think
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
knows
that,
but
I
thought
it
was
five
dollars
a
five
dollar
flat
rate.
I
could
be
wrong
about
that,
but
I
I
believe.
J
Oh
half
hour
five
dollars
for
the
for
the
half
an
hour:
wow:
okay,
that's
that's
significant,
so
yeah,
and
that
that's
you
know
that
qr
code
parking
is
is.
C
J
Starting
to
really
ramp
through
a
lot
of
off
street
lots,
you
don't
see
it
on
street
per
se,
but
you
see
it
certainly
in
all
in
the
lots
is
becoming
a
a
big
issue
and
I
mean
a
big
strategy.
But
you
know
part
of
that
too,
is
you've
got
to
protect
that
qr
code.
J
There
have
been
some
threat,
theft
of
qr
codes,
and
so
you
know,
I'm
sure
short
last
parking
is,
is
checking
on
that
daily
and
you
know
making
sure
that
it's
it's
it's
the
correct
code
and
so
forth,
but
yeah.
J
The
they
laz
will
get
that
license
plate
the
license
plate
data
right
on
their
phone.
It
would
show
that
they
had
paid
and
I'm
sorry
they
would
enter
the
license
plate.
So
they
would
have
that
directly
in
real
time
on
their
cell
phone
for
enforcement.
J
Now
how
they're
enforcing
that
I'm
not
100
sure
at
the
bank,
I
haven't
talked
with
them
about
it,
but
I'm
sure
they
are.
A
Okay
and
then
I'll
hand
it
off
to
shannon
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what's
happening
at
the
mystic
seaport.
I
Thanks
we
started
doing
the
shuttle
and
feed
parking
on
memorial
day
weekend
and
the
plan
was
to
go
to
seven
days
a
week
at
that
time.
We're
charging
ten
dollars
a
day
with
the
qr
code.
The
only
way
that
we're
enforcing
the
qr
code
is
it's
the
access
to
the
shuttle
bus.
I
So
that's
how
you
get
on
the
shuttle
buses
proving
that
you
paid
to
park.
We
kept
it
seven
days
a
week
for
about
a
week,
but
the
mid-week
usage
was
incredibly
light,
so
we
dropped
it
down
to
weekends.
Only.
We
did
weekends
only
until
july
1st,
when
we
went
back
to
seven
days
a
week
and
I
think,
probably
after
labor
day,
we'll
go
back
down
to
weekends.
Only
with
the
shuttle
bus
laz
is
running.
The
shuttle
bus
and
we've
got
a
you
know.
I
Thanks
to
the
town
of
sterlington,
they
gave
us
a
parking
spot
kind
of
across
from
the
engine
room
near
lee's
bakery
for
the
shuttle
bus.
So
that's
where
we're
doing
the
pickup
in
town,
it's
been
pretty
busy
in
our
lot.
I
don't
have
any
firm
data
for
you.
Unfortunately,
I
wasn't
able
to
connect
with
laoz
this
week
to
give
you
real
numbers,
but
you
know
it.
We
really
have
had
very
few
issues.
You
guys
were
asking
a
little
bit
about
how
the
qr
code
works.
I
find
it
very
cumbersome.
Frankly,
like
there's.
I
Like
eight
pages,
you
have
to
fill
out
with
your
address
and
your
email
and
like
who
cares
really
right,
so
I'm
trying
to
work
with
last
to
reduce
the
amount
of
content
that
you
have
to
put
into
the
app
to
pay
for
your
parking
spot.
Otherwise,
it's
been.
I
We
put
some
brochures
on
the
shuttle
bus
that
have
you
know
the
link
to
the
mystic
chamber
of
commerce
app,
so
people
can
get
information
while
they're
on
the
shuttle
about
what
to
do
downtown
once
they
get
there.
I
really
we've
had
very
few
problems.
You
know
the
as
for
enforcement,
it's
just
access
to
the
shuttle
bus,
I'm
not
walking
around
and
checking
whether
people
paid
in
the
parking
lot,
because
we
still
allow
our
museum
visitors
to
park
for
no
charge
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
But
that's
my
quick
little
overview.
E
Follow
I
have
a
question
for
you:
it's
my
understanding
that
that
laws
need
to
have
a
certain
percentage
for
them
to
be
cost
effective.
Do
you
have
any
idea
what
those
numbers
are
every
day,
because
I
know
they
didn't
meet
that
in
may?
When
I
that's
why
I
talked
to
star
wars,
I'm
just
wondering
how
that
is.
As
far
as
numbers
are
going,
do
you
have
an
idea
or
not.
I
Yeah,
unfortunately,
bob
I
wasn't
able
to
connect
with
southie
this
week.
He
had
a
family
thing
going
on,
so
I
wasn't
able
to
get
firm
data
numbers
I.
That
is
why
we
went
down
to
weekends
only.
It
was
only
it's
not
that
many
spots
that
he
needs
to
sell
in
order
to
make
to
break
even
on
the
shuttle
bus
each
day.
But
you
know
that's
definitely
an
expense
that
they're
incurring
as
we
pilot
this
program.
J
So
yeah,
I
think
it's
it's
great,
shannon
that
you
guys
are
you
know,
working
with
stonington
and
giving
that
a
go
you're
going
to
learn
a
lot
and
get
a
lot
of
data,
I'm
sure
from
from
lasz.
Certainly
as
we
see
these
shuttles
grow,
they
typically
you've
got
a
10
park
there,
where
the
shuttle's
free,
that's
good.
J
The
shuttle
is
free,
and
but
you
know,
as
you
bring
on
more,
you
know,
if
you
can
keep
that
fast,
free
and
fun
to
the
downtown,
you
know,
and
you
can
extend
it
out-
they
don't
typically
run
at
a
profit.
They
do
typically
run
subsidized
and
again,
that's
why
the
comments
at
the
beginning
there
is.
There
are
state
funding
available
if
that's
a
continuing
route
and
it
serves.
I
I
J
Yeah
and
even
that
even
that
30
match
that
in
connecticut
you
have
to
come
up
with
that.
Still,
you
know
that
can
still
be
significant
and
certainly
advertising
the
hotels
and
then
you
know
any
contributions,
sometimes
from
parking
can
can
help
as
well
so
great.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that.
A
All
right,
I
saw
bruce
jones
had
his
hand
up.
B
Yeah,
it
was
just
a
general
question:
is
the
the
ten
dollars
is
a
flat
fee,
whether
it's
one
person
or
a
whole
family
of
a
whole
family?
It
didn't
it's,
it's
really
the
ten
dollars
for
the
car,
not
the
ten
dollars
for
the
shuttle.
That's
correct.
Okay,.
A
Anyone
else
have
anything
to
chime
in
on
other
existing
parking
initiatives.
Since
completion
of
the
study.
A
Going
once
no
okay,
so
potential
expansion
of
off
street
public
parking,
the
shared
lot
agreements
with
the
churches.
John
burke,
I
know
you
had
reached
out
to
a
few
of
the
churches
and
some.
J
Others
yeah
and
we
we
met
with
each
of
the
pastors.
You
recall
a
year
ago,
and
I've
had
conversations
since
we
actually
paul
sauder
and
I
had
met
with
st
pats.
The
pastor
and
you
know
I
know
I
met
with
city
with
town
staff
and
groton
with
the
other
two
churches
on
site,
and
you
know
if
you're
the
union
street
baptist
church
they're,
certainly
reporting
out
now
that
they're
having
more
and
more
difficulty
controlling
the
use
of
that
lot
and
making
sure
that
it's
open
and
available
for
sunday's
services.
J
I
do
believe
they
they
close
the
entrance
on
high
street,
given
some
of
the
demand
that
they've
been
having
there
and
they
sort
of
reflected
that
yes,
they're,
very
interested
in
participating
with
the
town
and
on
you
know,
permit
program.
I
think
you
know
whether
that
that
type
of
compensation
would
be
you
know
paving.
I
know
they
do
have
a
paving
project
coming
up.
If
there'd
be
some
shared
participation
for
the
spaces
that
are
used.
That
would
be
great.
J
They
see
that
potentially
as
a
better
way
to
control
the
parking,
because
the
employees
will
all
have
a
permit
and
be
registered
with
a
license
plate
and
you
know,
are
unlikely
to
not
follow
the
regulations,
so
they
don't
lose
their
permit.
So
they're
very
interested
still,
and
I
think
that's
something
we
want
to
pursue
within
a
with
an
actual
agreement
before
them
and
negotiated
with
the
town.
The
other
st
marks
also
very,
very
interested
in
in
participating.
J
They
had
some
some
maintenance
requirements
there
that
they
would
love
to
have
filled
if
in
return
for
the
most
convenient
spaces
in
the
lot,
which
is
really
the
ones
on
the
perimeter,
and
so
that
too
could
be
an
employee.
A
lot,
I
think,
with
the
pastor
we
want
to
do.
The
same
same
path
is
a
little
more
difficult
because
of
the
saturday
and
sunday
services
are
very
popular
and
that
lock
gets
gets
used.
I
think
we
did
talk
about
potentially
weekday.
J
You
know,
there's
a
there's
a
daily
mass
too,
but
you
know
maybe
use
during
the
week
weekday
lot.
Masses,
maybe
paul,
maybe
less
attended
the
daily
mass
and
therefore
there
might
be
an
opportunity
during
the
weekday
to
do
some
of
the
perimeter
parking,
maybe
the
parking
furthest
away
from
the
church
that
might
otherwise
go
unused
anyway.
So
we
kind
of
we
hadn't
ironed
out
details,
but
we
kind
of
discussed
that.
G
Again,
you
want
me
to
comment
on
that.
A
little
john
sure
sure
yeah.
We
have
discussed
that
yeah.
We
have
daily
mass
every
day
at
noon.
It's
fridays
and
saturday
nights
could
be
weddings,
saturday,
baptisms
other
events,
sunday
mass,
always
full
two
masses,
saturday
night
mass,
also
just
so.
Everyone
knows
in
the
short
term,
we're
in
the
midst
of
a
plan
to
renovate,
raise
and
then
renovate
our
catholic
center
and
depending
on
market
situation.
Right
now,
our
target
is
to
start
construction
early.
G
Ideally
it
was
the
fall
this
year,
but
we
may
be
pushing
it
off
to
the
spring
due
to
market
conditions
as
to
when
we
want
to
put
the
package
out
to
bid
so.
G
Our
our
lot
out
of
any
consideration,
at
least
for
a
year
because
you're
looking
at
a
year
of
construction,
that's
going
to
be
a
primary
lay
down
zone
and
we're
going
to
have
to
really
probably
get
really
restricted.
We
could
bleed
in
from
areas
whether
it
be
people
at
the
post
office
have
talked
to
us.
We
let
them
park
there.
We
get
some.
We
have
some
agreements
with
a
couple
of
local
businesses
on
on
main
street.
G
That
use
our
lot
and
we
get
some
some
bleeding,
but
so
far
we've
been
fine
and
if
we
need
to
enforce,
we
just
bring
some
parishioners
over
there
and
lock
it
down
if
we
have
to,
but
I
I
don't
see
any
reasonable
chance
of
agreements
for
at
least
another
year,
so
I
don't
want
anybody
and
it's
not
because
we
don't
want
to
it's
just
because
it's
just
not
just
not
going
to
happen
based
on
on
our
construction
plans.
D
L
Sure,
john,
so
the
the
part
of
the
fourth
street
boating
hall
that
actually
got
a
little
complicated
was
at
the
very
beginning.
L
We
had
to
negotiate
an
easement
with
a
private
neighbor
over
being
able
to
do
some
construction
on
their
property
to
link
in
the
title
lock
that
needed
to
be
put
in
in
the
underpinnings
of
that
parking
lot.
So
really
infrastructure
wise.
You
know
that
had
to
be
the
first
step
because
of
cobit.
It
was
very
hard
for
us
to
actually
get
the
parts
we
finally
did
get
them.
They
got
installed.
So
you
know
things
are
moving
forward,
but
you
know
they
never
go
quite
as
quickly
as
you
like
I.
L
I
know
we're
really
excited
because
you
know
there's
the
just
to
see
it
finally
coming
together,
whereas
this
has
really
been
a
concept
plan
that
the
town
has
had
for
multiple
years.
The
original
concept
was
actually
done
by
some
engineering
students
that
we
had
uconn
put
together
a
concept
plan,
and
that's
been
multiple
years
ago,
so
to
see
this
actually
coming.
L
You
know
through
to
fruition
in
such
an
important
spot,
in
terms
of
where
it's
located
and
being
one
of
the
few
real
town
assets
that
we
control
that
we
can,
we
can
do
something
about
has
been
you
know,
that's
it's
like
a
little
bright
spot
of
hope.
B
Yes,
I
just
have
a
question.
Maybe
it's
for
john
burke
is
what
is
the
percentage
of,
and
maybe
it's
by
cars
instead
of
people
of
employee
cars
compared
to
visitor
cars,
you
have
a
sense
of
how
many
employee
cars
that
are
and
then
the
second
follow-up
that
is
part-time
and
full-time.
You
know
like
or
all-day
long
employees,
and
then
you
know
part-time
employees.
J
Yeah,
I
don't
know
about
full-time
part-time.
I
know
we
did
do
license
plate
surveys
in
the
two-hour
zone
and
I,
my
recollection,
was
in
the
peak
hours.
We
had
one
in
four
of
those
folks
staying
longer
than
two
hours
and
we
had
one
in
about
seven
staying
longer
than
four
hours.
The
one
in
seven
typically
ends
up
being
a
high
percentage,
end
up
being
employees.
So,
but
we
don't
have,
we
can't
say
definitively
that's
the
case,
but
that's
still
a.
J
I
have
to
go
back
to
the
report
to
validate
those
numbers,
but
that's
my
recollection
and
those
are
high
numbers.
You
know
those
are
high
numbers
for
non-compliance
compared
to
your
peer
cities
or
pure
towns
up
the
coast
here.
B
J
Yeah,
it's
a
good
question.
I
mean
the
the
major
focus
for
us
is
to
those
hundred
and
fifty
two-hour
zones.
You
know
sort
of
being
two-hour
zone.
Spaces
are
sort
of
the
lifeblood
of
the
businesses,
along
with
the
art
museum.
So
those
we
really
focus
on
those
150.
So
if
you're,
you
know
if
you're
assuming
15
of
those
minimum-
and
maybe
you
know
20
of
those-
could
be
employees,
then
that
kind
of
even
25
percent.
That
kind
of
gives
you
a
sign
up
sort
of
a
rough
number
of
folks.
J
We'd
want
to
maybe
give
an
opportunity
to
park
somewhere,
not
maybe
not
for
free.
Maybe
it
would
be
a
nominal
fee
for
a
permit
to
be
a
block
or
two
away
yeah,
that's
sort
of
that's
sort
of
the
focus
of
of
the
sizing
if
you
will
but-
and
then
you
know,
certainly
with
these
off-street
lots,
we're
not
if
there's
abilities,
especially
with
the
peripherals,
we're
not
just
focused
on
employees,
you
know
we'd
love
to.
As
I
say,
you
know
a
lot.
J
A
lot
of
your
your
peer
towns
and
cities
up
the
coast
are
doing
parking
guidance
systems
where
they,
basically
you
know,
if
we're
full
downtown.
I
don't
want
to
send
you
down
to
the
art
museum,
a
lot
when
it's
full.
Why
not
have
a
variable
message
board
up
that
sends
them
to
a
peripheral
lot:
visitors,
not
employees,
you
know,
so
they
don't
add
to
that
traffic,
and
you
know
in
in
in
and
frustration
of
going
where
there's
no
parking
so
good.
A
And
you
know
and
that's
where,
as
we
start
thinking
about
all
these
different
implementation
strategies,
one
of
the
things
that's
really
difficult
is:
if
we
don't
have
paid
parking
downtown,
there's
always
that
incentive
for
people
to
keep
driving
around
in
circles
looking
for
free
parking
as
opposed
to
parking
in
one
of
the
the
paid
lot.
So
you
know
that
that's
one
of
them
and
it
then
adds
to
more
traffic
more
congestion,
so
something
that
we
just
see
happening
in
that
area.
I
see
lj
has
his
hand
up.
D
Yeah
john,
you
kind
of
made
the
same
point.
I
was
looking
at
if
we're
gonna
we've
gotta
disincentivize
these
folks
that
are
that
are
working
downtown
that
are
parking
in
some
of
the
prime
spots.
A
couple
weeks
ago
I
spoke
with
a
lady
who
lives
on
gravel
street,
and
that
was
her
major
complaint.
D
So
I
don't
you
know,
I
think
I
I
totally
appreciate
what
what
john
burkett
said
earlier,
that
you've
got
to
do
all
of
these,
that
some
of
them
don't
work.
I
don't
see
how
it
would
help
anybody
if
you
said
okay,
you're
working
you're
moving
to
one
of
these
lots.
You
got
to
pay
to
park
in
the
spot
if
you're
working
in
downtown
mystic,
but,
oh
by
the
way,
we're
not
doing
anything
about
the
side
streets.
You
know,
there's
no
metered
parking,
so
why
would
they
do
that?
J
Yeah,
I
think
that's
a
really
great
point,
and
just
following
up
on
that
comment,
there
have
been
communities
that
you
know
have
gone
ahead
and
say:
look
you
know
what
those
are.
J
This
is
difficult
with
the
paid
part
we're
just
gonna
we're
just
gonna
proceed
with
shared
law
agreements,
and
you
know:
okay,
maybe
we'll
have
to
use
money
from
the
general
fund
to
pay
for
some,
but
we're
gonna,
we're
just
gonna,
keep
expanding
parking
and
as
much
as
we
can
we'll
just
keep
getting
more
surface
lots
or
agreements,
and
then
we're
gonna
enforce
the
heck
out
of
the
two-hour
zones.
We're
gonna
have
many
more
enforcement
people
patrolling
all
that
ends
up
happening.
J
Is
you
end
up
filling
those
other
lots
or
you
do
you
get
use?
You
write
a
whole
lot
of
parking
tickets
and,
and
people
are
more
disgruntled,
so
those
communities
typically
come
back
for
paid
parking,
but
they
give
it
a
shot
because
it
really
is
the
glue
that
makes
everything
work.
D
From
from
the
enforcement
standpoint-
and
I
think
I'm
probably
jumping
the
gun
a
little
bit
because
I
think
we're
getting
into
parking
area
but
from
the
start
I
felt
like
the
that's,
that's
got
to
be
part
of
the
solution
and
you
guys
are
sitting
here
thinking
about
this
and
talking
about
it.
The
calls
I
get
it's
it's
phrase
help
me
help.
You
comes
into
my
mind.
I
think
that
metered
parking
would
help
us
because
it
would
self-enforce.
D
You
know
we
have
dealt
with
some
challenges
as
far
as
staff
I
haven't
been
able
to
dedicate
as
much
of
our
our
personnel
to
going
downtown.
Mystic
writing
tickets
all
the
time,
but
I
think
that
will
be
a
problem
that
helps
to
correct
this.
That
will
be
a
solution
that
helps
correct.
This
problem
are
able
to
get
into
that
metered
parking
where
we're
not
reliant
on
police
officers
or
csos,
walking
up
and
down
the
streets
issuing
tickets
all
the
time.
D
I
think
it
self-regulates,
because
people
are
getting
out
of
there
most
of
the
time
in
order
to
avoid
the
ticket
and
are
putting
the
metered
coins
in
the
meters
or
using
the
app.
I
think
it's
just.
I
really
can't
emphasize
it
enough
from
from
our
standpoint
from
the
enforcement
part
of
it
that
that's
got
to
be
part
of
the
solution.
A
And
I
I
think,
we've
kind
of
moved
on
to
the
next
part
of
our
agenda
there
talking
about
proposed
on
street
media
parking,
but
before
we
do,
that
paul
did
have
his
hand
up.
I
want
to
just
let
him
talk,
make
sure
you're
on
mute.
G
Yeah,
the
chief
talked
about
enforcement.
I
just
see
that,
as
as
the
big
time
key,
we
talked
about
that
it's
like
any
rule
or
regulation.
Let's
enforce
what
we
have
first
before
we
add
new
ones,
but
again,
chief
visaro
talked
about
pushing
people
who
are
parking.
G
You
had
two
john
burke
about
pushing
people
out
into
neighborhoods,
where,
where
I
am
and
be
far
far
beyond
where
I
am
I'm
within
five
minute
walk,
but
you
may
have
to
consider
resident
parking
permits
after
a
certain
time-
and
I
know-
there's
been
some
pushback
on
that,
but
if
we're
going
to
push
employees
out
into
neighborhoods,
which
is
fine,
there
should
be.
I
know,
newport
does
a
wonderful
job
of
doing
that
and
it
doesn't
have
to
be
like
boston
where
it's
a
resident.
G
G
J
Yeah
and
it's
certainly
a
tool
in
the
tool
belt-
that's
certainly
used
in
communities
in
new
england
they're.
You
know
the
way
we
look
at
it
is
you
know
you
you
put
forward
you.
You
provide
areas
where
those
employees
not
only
find
it
reasonable
to
park
but
really
choose
to
park,
and
I
did
focus
there
on
the
two-hour
zone.
But,
as
you
point
out,
paul
some
of
them
are
are
on
residential
streets
that
are
very
close
to
the
two-hour
zone,
so
yeah.
If
they
find.
J
Yeah
right
right,
I
I
think
if
it's,
I
think,
if
it's,
if,
if
we
provide
them
these
opportunities,
maybe
it
is
at
st
marks
and
it
is
it's
something
that
they
say
hey
every
day
I
just
go
there.
I
don't
have
to
worry
about
whether
it's
open
or
not.
I
just
go
right
there
and
it's
a
nominal
fee.
I'm
gonna
do
it.
J
I
have
my
guaranteed
space,
I'm
going,
you
know
then
then
they'll
do
it
and
they'll
come
off,
not
just
the
two
hours
and
they'll
come
out
of
the
residential
streets
as
well,
but
no
back
to
the
residential
permit.
That's
why
I
say
we
have
to
continually
monitor
you
know,
because
regulations
sometimes
not
wholesale
but
sometimes
will
be
needed
in
certain
areas
where
that
on
street
residential
is
needed
by
the
residential.
J
See
resident
permit
go
in
place
and
then
there's
nobody
parked
on
that
street
that
that's
not
a
great
result
but
yeah.
So
I
think
that's
something
that
that
is
obviously
in
the
tool
toolbox.
Yeah.
G
Going
back
to
the
seaport
one
more
point,
then
I
won't
belabor
this
any
further.
He
for
and
I've
thought,
and
when
we've
we've
concluded
that
employee
parking
is
a
big
issue
has
has
have
we
looked
at?
Is
there
room
in
the
seaport
lot
for
employee
parking
that
can
use
that
shuttle?
Does
that
make
sense?
Maybe
the
timing
doesn't
make
sense?
Maybe
you
guys
have
already
considered
that
right.
I
Yeah,
you
know
paul,
we
thought
a
lot
about
the
employee
parking
and
we
would
be
more
than
happy
to
be
a
venue
for
that.
I
don't
know
that
the
shuttle
is
the
best
thing
just
based
on
people's
work
hours,
but
it's
it's
a
short
walk
to
town,
really
it
and-
and
we
would
be
very
happy
to
have
this
conversation
if
somebody
wants
to
get
all
of
the
business
owners
that
have
employees,
then
he's
working
into
a
room
together
to
coordinate.
That's
kind
of
my
struggle
is
trying
to
figure
out.
I
G
Well,
if
we
enforce
the
parking
regulations
downtown,
those
employees
might
quickly
jump
right
on
board
yeah.
G
H
N
Well,
when
you
talk
about
enforcing
the
parking
regulations,
are
you
talking
about
checking
to
make
sure
that
cars
aren't
parking
for
more
than
two
hours?
Or
are
you
talking
about
installing
having
to
pay
for
parking
downtown.
G
I
I
think
the
start
I
mean
I.
I
suspect
that
parking
getting
parking
meters
is
going
to
take
a
little
time,
but
no
I'm
talking
about
just
the
two
two
or
three
hour
parking
from
what
I
understand.
I
mean
john
burke
just
said
one
in
four
to
one
and
seven:
don't
abide
by
them.
Can't
csos
do
that,
can't
they
a
ticket,
can't
we.
It
would
be
interesting
to
see
if
we
enforce
that
and
and
then
where
it
would
go
again.
We
have
tools
as
we
as
keep
saying
in
the
toolbox.
G
Now
why
don't
we
use
those
tools
as
we
develop
the
others
and
again
it
will
move
then
possibly
employers
downtown
will
get
complaints
from
their
employees
that
they
keep
getting
ticketed
and
stuff
will
naturally
funnel
to
where
they
should
be,
but
until
until
now,
I'm
not
I'm
not
a
police
officer,
I'm
not
in
the
police.
Commission,
I'm
not
any
of
those
things.
I
don't
deal
with
personnel.
I
don't
have
those
answers.
M
N
E
N
In
my
opinion,
parking
meters
are
something
that
we
should
have
done
10
years
ago
I
mean,
I
think,
john
burke
and
I
have
talked
about
it-
we're
the
only
town
of
its
size
with
the
level
of
tourist
tourists
coming
to
town
that
doesn't
charge
for
parking
on
the
street
and
and.
N
I
I
agree
with
you
and,
and
I'm
not
sure
the
the
only
question
that
arises
in
my
mind.
It
would
affect
you
paul
more
than
some
others,
all
the
people
who
live
close
to
downtown.
N
I
don't
know
how
far
you.
I
know
that
in
the
current
plan
the
the
paid
parking
but
proposed
parking
meter
area
doesn't
actually
extend
that
far
into
the
neighborhoods.
But
if
the
end
result
is
that
by
implementing
parking
meters
in
most
of
the
downtown,
it
does
drive
a
lot
of
those
cars
into
the
peripheral
neighborhoods,
which
is
in
say
your
case.
Where
you
live.
Not
that
peripheral
I
mean.
G
Accident
jackson,
avenue
and
washington
street
are
full.
Every
parking
space
is
full
thursday
through
sunday,
sunday
afternoon,
it
eases
off,
but
I
see
those
parking
spaces
turn
over
right
in
front
of
my
house
three
times
a
day,
so
I
mean
they
do
turn
over.
So
we
don't
really
have
an
issue.
So
again,
let's
try
enforcing
and
see
what
happens.
You
know,
yeah,
our
parking
spaces
are
full
anyway,
they're
full
right
now,
they've
been
full
for
two
years.
J
I
I
think
the
only
caveat
on
that
is
just
the
enforcement
effort
for
for
chalking,
even
with
a
virtual
chalk,
using
handheld
devices
would
mean
two
and
three
times
the
amount
of
enforcement
officers
to
be
able
to
effectively
get
those
very
very
time
consuming
is
what
I
guess
I'm
getting
at,
not
to
say
you,
that's
it's
not
an
option.
It
certainly
is
an
option.
The
meter
is,
to
a
large
degree
self-enforcing
and
that's
that's
where
they
end
up
going
to
it.
But
you
know
I'm
not
again,
it's
it's.
G
You
guys,
whatever
whatever
can
happen,
the
quickest
and
most
effective.
It
doesn't
matter
to
me
if,
if
we've
got
technology
that
can
put
meters
in
place
quickly,
that
and
and
it's
cost
effective
and
that's
a
home
run.
N
J
Well,
it's
a
good
segue
to
the
last
item
or
the
second
to
last
item
on
on
metered
parking,
because
I
think
what
ended
up
happening
at
the
groton
town
console
is.
I
think
it
was
a
you
know,
a
real
interest
in
in
having
us
look
at
projections
of
of
cost
and
revenue,
and
so
we
have
started
preliminary
performer
for
me
for
the
metered
parking
just
so
that
someone
could
make
a
logical
decision
based
on
more
than
you
know,
on
on
the
finances.
J
So
really
you
know
what
we
kind
of
got
down
to
on.
That
was
that
you
know
looking
at
the
the
the
going
rate
in
communities
from
north
of
mystic.
All
the
way
up
to
bar
harbor
maine
is
two
dollars
an
hour.
That's
the
that's!
J
The
going
rate
on
the
you
know
in
boston's
higher
you've
got
some
some
exceptions,
but
typically-
and
I
think
I
listed
some
of
those
communities
in
the
report,
but
you
know
I
looked
specifically
at
at
bar
harbor
and
plymouth,
two
of
my
clients,
plymouth,
mass
and
bar
harbor
maine,
who
have
very
similar
demand,
especially
in
that
sh
in
in
the
in
the
heart
of
the
downtown.
J
What
I
consider
like
a
market
square
area-
and
you
know,
utilizing
some
of
their
information
and
projections
for
utilization
of
those
spaces
if
we
considered,
if
we
assume
that
we're
a
seven
day
a
week
system
between
you
know,
april
and
december,
you
know
we,
we
we
got,
quotes
for
actual
meter
equipment
for
those
150
plus
or
minus
spaces
on
either
sides
of
the
of
the
bridge
and
the
you
know
it's
fair
to
say
that
we
would
assume
that
that
all
of
that
equipment,
capital
cost,
would
be
paid
off
within
the
first
season
of
implementation.
J
And
so
you
know
we
need
to
understand
better
what
the
operating
characteristics
are.
In
other
words,
you
could
operate
this
on
either.
You
know
with
someone
operating
separately
in
the
meters
and
the
enforcement
in
groton
separate
to
stonington.
You
could
also
hire
someone
like,
alas,
put
that
out
to
rfp
and
have
them
maintain
the
meters.
Do
the
enforcement.
J
You
know,
you
know
a
lot
of
communities
are,
most
communities
are
moving
in
that
direction.
You
have
them
already
in
town.
So
that's
a
reasonable
consideration,
so
we'd
have
to
know
a
little
bit
more
about
operation
costs,
but
suffice
it
to
say,
you'd
pay
that
off
very
very
quickly
and
we'll
have
numbers
for
you
on
projected
annual
revenue.
It
would
be
well
north,
a
half
a
million
dollars
a
year
in
parking
revenue
between
between
the
metered
parking
and
the
citations
expired
meter.
J
Citation
so
we'll
be
coming
back
with
the
granular
on
that,
but
I
did
want
to
say:
that's
been
being
looked
at
and
yeah
the
the
fear
was
that
it
would
take
several
years
to
to
take
care
of
that
that
equipment
cost
and
that's
not
going
to
be
the
case.
E
Yeah,
I
just
got
this
bottle
trying
to
say
I
I
just
like
to
comment
on
the
csos
that
paul
mentioned.
You
know.
The
problem,
of
course,
is
hiring
enough
personnel.
Usually
these
individuals
are
in
the
law
enforcement
program
or
the
college
level
we
need.
We
wanted
to
obtain
five.
We
wound
up
with
three
and
I'm
sure
the
chief
underground
chief
pizarro's
got
the
same
issues
and
then
once
school
starts
again
you
lose
all
these
people
and
our
shoulder
seasons
have
kept
increasing
and
increasing.
E
So
that's
an
issue
and
the
csos
do
issue
parking
tickets
for
violations,
you
know
and
they
try
the
best
they
can
but,
like
I
say,
getting
the
right
personnel
and
having
them.
There
is
an
issue
with
the
with
the
both
sides
of
the
river.
D
E
D
I'd
agree
with
that.
We
we
have
we'd
like
to
have
four,
maybe
five
csos.
We
had
two
now
we're
down
to
one
and
we're
trying
to
hire
more,
but
it's
it's
increasingly
challenging
not
just
to
hire
them
police
officers.
So
you
know
I'm
with
you.
The
enforcement
part
is
extremely
important.
D
We
need
to
do
that
and
we
make
every
attempt
to
do
that,
but
but
other
priorities
have
to
be
considered
so
when,
when
an
officer
is
tied
up
for
a
call
for
service
or
an
emergency
call,
then
they're
not
out
there
writing
tickets.
So
again,
it
brings
me
right
back
to
that
other
point.
I
need
to
hit
it
again,
but
the
the
meters
are,
I
think,
a
critical
part
of
this-
and
I
would
agree
rather
than
later,
is
a
good
starting
point
for
this
whole
thing.
J
Yeah
and
chief,
I
would
just
echo
that
that
all
of
my
clients
are
having
the
the
having
a
very
hard
time
finding
enforcement
offices.
It's
virtually
the
only
more
difficult
position
it
seems,
like
is
bus
driver
right
now
to
find
people
so
yeah.
Another
reason
to
automate
that
system
with
with
meters.
C
Yeah
john,
I
had
a
question
for
you.
You
had
said
it
would
be
about
a
one
year,
payback
for
the
capital
investment
into
the
meters.
If
we
outsource
to
an
laz
to,
alas,
who
would
do
the
enforcement
for
us?
What
what
do
you
think
the
net
would
be
payback
if
we
use
that
model?
Are
we
talking
three
four
years.
J
No,
I
still
think
it
would
be
in
the
first
year.
You
would
you
would
net
out
of
you
know
the
ability
to
reinvest
in
your
downtown
with
yeah
you.
You
have
a
tremendous
demand,
issue
and
kind
of
unparalleled
there
with
the
and
we're
talking
about
150
meters
spaces.
We're
not
talking
about
you
know.
So
this
is
the
prime
area,
but
you
know,
even
with
the
operating
cost,
you'll
you'll
net
out,
I'm
projected
net
out
positive
in
the
first
year
and
then
again
that
capitals
paid
off
yeah.
C
J
I
wouldn't
say
better
better
equipped.
They
may
have
the
ability
to
get
staff,
maybe
easier
for
them
to
get
staffing
and
they
may
or
may
not.
You
know,
but
I
I
think
there
are
trade-offs
associated
with
that,
and
certainly,
if
you're
going
to
go
to
a
private
operator,
which
many
communities
are
doing,
you
just
need
to
the
specifications
for
what
they
can
and
can't
do
have
to
be
all
the
more
tighter
in
that
regard.
You
know
in
in
the
management
contract,
but
no
it's
it's
it's
very
common
and
yep.
H
I
had
a
question
for
john
burke:
can
you
hear
me
yes,
paige
yeah,
have
you
seen
any
communities
like
ours
in
new
england
that
uses
a
private
operator
for
enforcement
on
street?
I
understand
how
it
would
work
in
on
private
property,
but
on
street
enforcement.
J
Yes-
and
you
know
it
is,
it
is
done-
I
could
probably
get
use
a
list
page
of
the
communities
that
have
used
it
on
street
again.
I
think
that
the
number
one
thing
is
if
the
management
contract
is
written
correctly,
there's
no
incentive.
J
I've
seen
some
bad
contracts
where
there's
there's
actually
an
incentive
in
the
contract
to
write
more
tickets,
and
that's
just
about
the
worst
thing
that
you
can
have.
Most
of
those
have
been
corrected
over
time.
The
first
few
that
came
out
were
that
way,
so
you
just
need
to
you
know,
need
to
make
sure
that
that
management
contract
is
because
they'll
do
what
you
what
you
want
to
do,
but
yeah
I
mean
I
have
the
city
of
haverhill
is
one
of
my
clients
and
their
and
last
parking
operates.
J
K
A
John,
was
there
anything
else?
So,
let's
see,
did
we
talk
about
the
recommended
meter
zone
hours
rates
hours
of
operation?
I
think
we
started
touching
on
some
of
that.
J
Yeah,
I
mean
just
to
give
it
a
flush
it
out
a
little
bit
more.
I
mean
the
meter's
on
it's
in
it's
in
the
study
report,
but
essentially
we're
looking
at
everything.
That's
two
hour
now
we
had
talked
about
a
little
bit
of
the
side
streets
on
gravel
and
pearl.
You
know
heading
down
there
when
they're
very
close
proximity
to
the
retail
right
so
and
then
you
know,
of
course
you
get
all
the
way
out.
J
J
That's
still,
that's
still
a
five
minute
walk
to
main
street
and
that's
quite
a
quite
a
you
know,
length
of
parking,
so
there's
there's
still
plenty
of
parking
as
you
get
out
on
on
pearl
and
gravel,
that's
still
within
a
five-minute
short
walk
of
the
downtown,
but
we're
not
talking
about
going
all
the
way
out
there,
but
close
to
the
retail
we'd
like
to
see
that
and
then
you
know,
of
course,
in
in
stonington
it
it's.
J
It
would
be
the
you
know
the
homes
and
catral
and
east
main,
and
and
and
that
would
be
pretty
you
know-
there's
not
really
not
not
much
parking
on
east
mainly
handful
of
spaces,
so
really
not
a
lot
of
metered
parking
over
there.
I
think
it
I
think
it
broke
down
to
something
like
you
know:
80
60,
you
know
80
spaces
in
groton
and
stony.
Something
like
that.
J
As
far
as
hours
rates
yeah,
I
mentioned
the
two
dollars
an
hour
hours
of
operation.
You.
C
J
There
seem
nine
to
six.
You
know
mostly
doing
seven
days
a
week.
Typically
some
communities
say
well:
we've
got
churches
downtown,
let's
start
on
sundays,
at
12..
So
typically,
what
you
see
is
all
day
sunday
or
12
to
6.
You
know
on
a
sunday
the
assumptions
that
I'm
carrying
again
would
be
paid
parking
from
april
1st
to
the
end
of
december,
and
this
can
be
modified
by
the
you
know:
recommendation
of
the
task
force
to
both
town
councils.
J
You
know,
but
that's
what's
done,
for
instance,
in
plymouth,
mass
there's,
a
scaling
back
in
many
communities,
newport,
rhode,
island
scales,
back
in
those
dead
months
of
january
february.
You
know
the
scaling
back
up,
sometimes,
as
I
said
before,
they'll
just
carry
the
the
two
hour:
they'll
bag,
the
the
meters
and
just
carry
the
two-hour
requirement
during
the
off-season.
J
I
mean
our
accounts
kind
of
showed,
an
easing
after
that.
You
know
a
case
can
be
made
that
you
go
later
you
get
into
the
dinner
hour
and
so
forth
that
that
can
be
something
that
can
be
added
with
time
too.
I
mean
communities
typically
will
start
at
that
nine
to
six
and
then
consider
going
to
seven.
You
know
see
how
it
goes
if
you
will,
but
you
know,
I
think
the
most
common
time
is
probably
9
a.m
to
like
7
p.m.
It's
probably
the
most
common
time
you
see
out
there.
N
J
Well,
you
you
mean
it's,
it's
certainly
something
that
when
we
can,
we
can
get
in
with
the
committee
as
we
go
forward
on
those
regs
and
talk
about
that.
There
are
trade-offs
with
that
as
well,
certainly
nighttime
in
the
summer,
and
you
can
split
it.
You
can
go
later
in
the
summer
and
then
edge
back
as
it
gets
darker.
G
We're
such
this
is
paul
started
we're
such
restaurant
driven
now
that,
yes,
once
five
o'clock
hits,
is
when
my
neighborhood's
full
it
or
not-
and
you
know
saturday
sunday
during
the
day-
yes,
but
it
it
doesn't
end
until
yep
sunday
afternoon,.
D
Yeah,
I
would,
I
would
tend
to
agree
with
both
of
them.
We
do
see
from
the
activities
at
the
restaurants
and
bars.
You
do
have
a
strong
showing
of
people
late
into
the
hours
even
past
midnight.
I
don't
know
that
we
need,
but.
J
Yeah,
well,
that's
that's
good
information.
We
certainly
can
extend
those
hours
at
least
seasonally
yeah.
Sometimes
you
have
an
issue
after
dark
both
with
payments
and
and
with
enforcement,
but
that
wouldn't
be
till
the
late
fall
and
as
an
issue
anyway.
So
yeah
we
can.
We
can
tweak
those
for
sure.
B
J
Well,
I'm
implementing
in
camden
maine
right
now
we're
starting
with
the
waterfront,
and
I
think
we
we
need
at
least
90
days.
You
know
you
don't
have
the
procurement
issue,
particularly
because
you're,
a
member
of
the
national
cooperative
procurement
alliance,
which
means
you
can
those
are
those
meter.
J
J
The
issue
would
be
the
backlog
on
ordering
and
setting
up
your
zones
for
needed
parking
for,
enforce,
for
permit
parking
and
so
forth.
So
that
usually
I'd
say
a
minimum
is
90
days.
120
is
preferable
if
we
have
120
days
to
once
a
decision
is
we're
going
forward.
Yeah.
A
J
A
Right
and
and
passing
any
you
know,
parking
ordinances
that
go
along
with
that
metered
parking.
J
Yes,
in
camden,
we
were
able
to
to
pass
the
ordinances
at
the
front
end
of
that
90-day
period,
but
you're
absolutely
right.
There's
there
and
there's
there's
a
lot
of
things
to
consider
in
in
terms
of
who's
parking,
and
you
know
some
of
those
regulations
need
to
be
massaged
a
little
bit,
but
you
guys
have
a
pretty
good
ordinance
I've
gone
through
it.
J
I
think
it
would
be
relatively
quick
to
make
those
modifications
but
yeah,
I
think,
john,
given
what
you're
saying
it
might
be
as
much
as
four
to
six
months.
You
know
to
get
that
put
in
place
and-
and
you
know
typically
you'd
like
to
start
during
the
peak
season.
You
know
right
after
you
know.
Maybe
you
just
before
typically
late
memorial
day
is
very
popular
right
before
the
start.
J
I
think
the
only
thing
we
didn't
talk
about
john
was
technology,
and
I
know
there's
been
some
interest
about
just
having
qr
code
or
mobile
payment
apps
only
on
the
street
and
that
I
just
wanted
to
just
speak
to
that
a
little
bit.
We
really
don't
have
any
customers
really
doing
that
in
new
england
right
now,
because
there's
still,
even
though
a
very
small
percentage
of
us
don't
have
a
smartphone,
very
small
percentage,
don't
have
a
credit
card.
J
The
ability
to
pay
with
coin
is
still
in
credit
is
still
at
least
credit
physically
is
still
the
norm
on
streets,
and
so
I
think
it's
a
transition
technology.
I
think
we
are
moving
payments
into
the
car.
We're
very
close.
You
know
you're
starting
to
see
the
qr
and
everything
go
into
lots.
That's
certainly
an
easy
place
to
do
that,
but
on
street
we
have
not
seen
that
so
I
didn't
want.
I
think
the
recommendation
would
be.
J
J
I
mean
certainly
for
for
streets
like
main
street
and
catrell
and
even
water
street,
even
though
the
sidewalks
are
narrow,
I
mean
I
think
you
could
have
pay
stations
on
all
of
that
where
they're
separated
and
you
can
really
place
them,
sometimes
like
on
main
street
on
islands,
where
visually
they
just
look
like
they're
part
of
the
furniture
right,
the
difficult
streets
of
the
side
streets
like
homes,
gravel
and
pearl,
because
now
you're
dealing
with
very
little
right
away
and
the
sidewalks
are
at
a
minimum
width.
So
that's
where
it
get.
J
The
conversation
becomes
more
difficult
on
the
single
space.
First.
B
J
J
Some
of
these
major
mobile
parking
payment
apps
are
now
working
with
already
have
agreements
with
the
major,
especially
the
luxury
car
manufacturers,
to
start
to
put
their
payment
systems
into
cars
so
that
they
can
start
to
search
for
parking
before
they
get
to
the
destination,
whether
it's
public
or
private,
and
you
know
either
reserve
it
in
advance
or
pay
for
it
once
they
get
there
from
the
car.
And
so
I
mean
just
making
the
car
your
phone
right.
J
So
you
already
have
everything
loaded
in
with
your
license
plate
and
your
credit
card,
and
you
just
park
and
you
pay
right
from
the
car,
and
that
goes
right
to
the
enforcement.
The
management
app
for
your
parking
and
your
enforcement
people
see
it
on
their
handheld
in
real
time
that
they
made
there.
J
Yeah
and
and
that's
why
I
say
it's
moving
fairly
rapidly,
but
you
know
communities
are
still
rolling
rolling
out
much
bigger
than
mystic
stations
and
meters
because
of
that
gap
between
people
who
have
the
ability
on
their
phone
and
credit
card
and
the
ones
who
don't
some
community
massachusetts,
I
think
there's
still
a
lara
on
the
books.
I
thought
connecticut
had
it
too,
where
retail
had
to
provide
a
cash
option.
So
equity
becomes
a
major
issue
if
you're
designated
mobile
payments
only
credit
card.
J
Only-
and
you
know
some
communities
are
dabbling
with
the
idea.
Okay,
we'll
do
one
side
of
the
street
just
mobile
payments,
the
other
side
with
beaters,
but
we
really
haven't
seen
even
the
bigger
cities
in
new
england,
moving
to
other
than
lots
to
mobile
pay.
Only.
A
All
right
anything
else,
anybody
want
to
bring
up
all
right,
so
our
next
steps
from
here
again,
you
know-
I
I
I
can't
stress
the
importance
of
needing
all
of
you
to
continue
to
outreach
and
talk
to
the
people,
to
your
constituents
to
your
members,
your
groups
and
helping
to
get
the
word
out
on
what
we're
working
on,
because
I
really
think
the
next
biggest
hurdles
for
us
to
overcome
are
getting
just
more
public
support
for
understanding
the
project
in
the
implementation.
Steps
that
we're
going
to
do.
A
None
of
these
steps
are
going
to
be
easy
steps,
they're
all
going
to
come
with
a
little
bit
of
pain
to
everybody
with
them.
But
if
we
want
to,
you
know,
truly
manage
the
parking
in
downtown
mystic.
We
have
to
move
forward
with
some
of
this
stuff.
We
can't
just
let
it
kind
of
keep
going
the
way
it
is.
A
I
do
believe
john
burke's
going
to
do
a
little
bit
of
additional
analysis
on
things
I
get
a
look
kind
of
was
our
next
step.
You
know
these
meetings
are
open
to
the
public,
we're
recording
them,
we'll
post
them
for
people
to
see
kind
of
just
some
of
the
ideas
and
concepts
we're
kicking
around,
but
we
do
need
to
talk
to
our
respective.
You
know,
town
councils
and
select
people
in
our
in
both
communities
and
try
to
build
some
support
with
those
groups
as
well.
A
As
you
know,
we
can
try
to
have
some
type
of
public
meetings
or
outreach
continue
to
talk
to
the
folks
that
were
looking
at
those
shared
parking
agreements
with.
I
think
those
are
all
things
that
we
all
need
to
work
on
a
little
bit.
J
Yeah,
john,
I
would
I
would
suggest
that
you
know
we
we
get
with
the
churches
before
the
next
meeting
and
we
come
back.
You
know,
even
with
a
draft
of
the
what
those
agreements
would
look
like.
I
certainly
have
to
go
through
legal
counsel
and
all
the
rest,
but
I
think
we
could
do
that.
There
are
also
other
private
service
lots
that
we
want
to
meet
with
to
get
whether
it's
weekday
shared
parking
or
weekend
shared
parking.
J
So
I
that's
going
to
be
expansion
of
parking,
I
think
is
number
one
and
I'll
also
be
bringing
back
the
performer
on
on
the
paid
parking
element.
Probably
for
the
next
meeting
I
did
want
to
mention.
One
other,
which
is
mike
carroll
at
sea,
would
be
happy
to
attend
an
upcoming
meeting
to
talk
about
what
what
it
might
look
like.
You
know,
and
some
of
the
ideas
about
an
expanded.
J
You
know
parking
shuttle
that
now
you
know
what
call
it
a
parking
shuttle,
but
a
shuttle
that
might
link
other
attractions
and
shuttle
parking
to
down
to
the
hill.
So.
G
Hey
john
yeah
john
reiner,
so
so
it
would
help
for
me
to
put
out
I've
got
like
20
to
30
neighbors
on
an
email
that
I
keep
I'll,
keep
them
in
the
loop
when
there's
something
worthwhile.
G
C
G
A
Probably
just
meetings
I
will
and
we'll
probably
end
up
putting
a
link
for
this
meeting.
We
have
a
landing
page
on
our
website.
I
think
susan
cullen
probably
has
a
landing
page
on
the
stonington
website,
just
at
least
you
know
with
the
park
the
parking
report
so
we'll
we'll
get
it
out
there
in
a
few
spots.
I
think
we'll
even
post
the
recording
of
this
meeting
up
on
the
greater
groton
site
too,
all
right.
G
A
All
right:
well,
I
think
that's
all
we
have
so
you
know.
I
really
appreciate
everybody's
time
today
and
you
know
we're
shooting
for
an
hour
and
a
half
and
look
at
that
four
minutes
to
go
sorry
for
the
slight
technical
difficulties,
just
starting
things
off,
but
I
hope
everybody
has
a
great
week
weekend
and
try
to
stay
cool,
get
down.