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Groton, Connecticut municipal meeting: Parks & Recreation Commission/Golf Advisory Board February 10, 2021. Click on the link below to view the agenda.
Golf Advisory Board:
https://www.agendasuite.org/iip/groton/meeting/details/1312
Parks & Recreation Commission:
https://www.agendasuite.org/iip/groton/meeting/details/1302
A
A
B
A
A
A
A
C
So
this
is,
I
I'm
just
ex
officio,
so
I'll
just
be
here
to
lend
support
if
anybody
needs
anything
but
otherwise
I'll
be
kind
of
quiet
tonight,
which
is
unusual
for
me
right,
hi,
mr
berry,
how
are
you.
C
C
E
G
G
B
B
I
would
like
to
make
a
suggestion
that,
once
the
meeting
is
officially
started,
that
we
move
the
schedule
around
a
little
bit
and
move
the
golf
advisory
board
up
to
the
top
so
that
they
can,
we
can
get
through
that
part
of
the
business
and
then
move
on
to
our
regular
meeting
sounds.
E
B
E
B
H
C
B
E
E
So
mark
for
time's
sake:
why
don't
we
get
underway?
And,
yes,
it's
you,
have
you
have
the
the
agenda,
I'm
still
looking
through
all
my
files
here
for
it.
So
why
don't
we
make
a
motion
to
begin
our
meeting.
B
Okay-
and
it
is
704
by
my
watch-
okay
and
so
looks
like
everybody
from
the
commission-
is
here
and.
B
So
if
we
go
down,
if
we
go
down
to
unfinished
business,
we
have
shena
costa
rules
and
regulations
and
rates
and,
like
I
said
I,
I
think
we
ought
to
move.
J
B
To
the
top
of
the
agenda.
B
If
that's,
okay,
with
the
with
the
commission,
that's
fine
with
me:
okay,
okay!
So
margaret
do
you
want
to
kind
of
summarize
the
discussion
of
the
the
golf
advisory
board
and
I
have
shared
the
rates
with
the
with
the
commission.
So
they
are.
They
are
aware
of
what
was
proposed,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
they
know
the
entire
backstory.
So
I
guess
at
this
point
we
could
turn
it
over
to
you
to
highlight
the
discussion
and
explain
how
the
golf
advisory
board
came
to
this
decision.
B
Still
doesn't
matter.
K
K
So
good
evening,
also,
every
year,
as
you
know,
we
we
have
a
discussion
that
takes
a
look
at
the
current
environment
in
the
gulf
world,
both
at
shena
cosset
as
well
as
locally
in
the
region,
and
we
use
that
information
along
with
a
couple
of
other
parameters
that
are
provided
by
todd,
to
take
a
look
and
see
what
would
be
the
the
best
action
to
take
with
respect
to
the
rates
in
any
given
year.
K
So,
for
example,
in
a
year
where
we
know
that
there's
an
economic
downturn
or
there's
like
what
happened
back
in
2008
2007,
it
may
not
make
sense
when
you're
having
this
discussion.
It
may
not
make
sense
to
raise
rates
because
there's
a
good
chance
that
a
lot
of
golfers
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
to
participate
anyway,
and
you
don't
want
to
put
any
additional
barriers
in
front
of
them.
K
So
we
take
all
of
that
information
again,
most
of
it
provided
by
the
pga
professional
todd
goodhue,
and
we
get
a
chance
to
to
to
look
at
what
we've
got.
So.
The
other
thing
that
we
look
at
is
what
we've
done
historically
in
the
past
recent
history,
so
five
to
ten
years
even
last
year,
and
with
that
make
a
proposal
for
what
we
believe.
Well,
we
also
take
into
account
proposed
budgets
and
whatnot,
but
make
a
proposal
for
what
we
believe
the
rates
should
be
over
the
last
couple
of
years.
K
We
have
alternated
between
raising
the
daily
fees
and
and
targeting
the
season
pass
rates
and
raising
the
daily
fees
and
targeting
the
season
pass
rate,
and
I
think
the
golf
advisory
board
at
this
point
feels
very
comfortable
that
the
daily
fees
that
are
laid
out
are
in
a
good
place
relative
to
the
other
golf
courses
in
the
region,
and
so
that
left
us
with
looking
at
the
season
pass
rates
and
a
couple
of
years
ago,
we
actually
reduced
the
season
pass
rates
by
approximately
10
percent
in
a
number
of
categories.
K
We
have
also
introduced
two,
as
you
know,
from
last
year,
two
additional
season
pass
levels:
the
associate
and
the
associate
plus
to
to
allow
younger
golfers
to
kind
of
step
their
way
into
a
full
season,
pass
membership.
K
K
So
the
ones
that
we
we've
targeted
are
the
full
adult
single
season
pass
holders,
as
well
as
the
associate
and
the
associate
plus.
For
you
know
some
will
ask
you
know
why
raise
the
rates
on
an
associate
and
associate
plus
a
couple
of
reasons.
One
is
even
raising
the
rate
three
percent
that
amounts
to
thirty
dollars
a
year.
Most
of
these
golfers,
probably
knowing
most
of
them,
can
manage
that
the
the
benefits
that
they
get
by
being
an
associate
or
associate
plus
member
at
shena
casa
are,
I
think,
better
than
anywhere
else.
K
If
they
were
to
go,
and
so
we
felt
that
raising
those
rates
by
three
percent
or
in
the
end
actual
dollars
about
30
would
not
be
an
issue,
we
also
felt
that
raising
the
rates
on
the
adults
rates
would
also
be
warranted.
At
this
point,
it's
been
a
while
we're,
like,
I
said,
we're
way
below
market,
and
I
think
you
know
just
to
to
ensure
that
the
budget
is
that
we're
we're
increasing
revenue
beyond
just
having
additional
players
play
that
it's
it's
a
good
time
to
do
it.
E
So
the
only
question
I
have
is
you
do
have
a
great
product,
but
I
wonder
if
it's
covid
has
something
to
do
with
all
of
the
golf
courses
in
the
area
increasing
their
their
volume.
K
There
were
plenty
of
opportunities
for
people
to
play.
I
think
todd
will
tell
you
that
this
time
last
year
he
was
selling
out
the
course
every
weekend.
I
think
this
year
a
little
bit
different.
K
Unfortunately,
at
this
point,
which
is
kind
of
part
of
the
story,
but
making
sure
we
have
that
contingency
and
can
manage
it,
but
the
year
before
that
we
we
did
not
have
such
a
lucky
year,
and
so
just
you
know,
this
is
kind
of
ebbs
and
flows
and
being
able
to
kind
of
to
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
get
caught
out
with
a
a
real
is
important.
H
K
Of
course,
so
an
adult
is
somebody
who's,
you're,
gonna
love
this
somebody
who's
36
years
old
or
older.
Sorry
about
that
the
associate
are
folks
who
are
21
to
todd.
Is
it
30,
29
30
somewhere
in
there
associate
plus.
A
B
And
fran,
the
reason
that
we
did,
that
is
the
national
national
golf
foundation,
had
did
a
study
and
they
looked
at
some
of
the
barriers
to
participation
across
different
age
groups
and
and
one
of
the
barriers
was
the
pricing
to
get
into
golf.
And
so
we
created
this
associate
associate
plus
category,
and
I
think,
two
years
ago
we
had
seven
people,
seven
members
in
the
range
from
22
to
35,
and
since
we've
introduced
the
associate
and
the
associate
plus
that
has
now
grown
to
37
members.
B
So
it's
it's
had
a
real
positive
impact
on
participation
at
the
golf
course
and
we're
trying
to
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
set
ourselves
up
so
that
these
you
know
if
they
start
playing
at
china,
concert
when
they're
22
23
24
years
old,
that
if
they
stay
in
the
area,
they'll
become
lifetime.
Golfers
at
sean
cossette.
G
I
just
have
one
question
and
that's:
are
you
retaining
the
rolling
season
for
memberships?
Yes,
yes
great,
I
think
that's
probably
a
big
seller
too.
Yes,
definitely.
B
Don
we've
actually
got
one
other
thing
to
do.
Normally
at
this
same
meeting,
we
would
go
over
the
rules
and
regulations
which
I
believe
was
in
the
packet.
The
golf
advisory
board
has
already
reviewed
them.
There
was
one
change,
and
that
was
the
order
of
the
holidays.
B
G
I
have
a
couple
of
questions.
This
is
a
good
time
for
it
on
page
one
of
the
regulations
under
organized
leagues.
Would
you
want
to
change
the
word
ladies
group
to
women's
group,
since
the
league
is
the
women's
golf.
G
And
I
had
two
other
questions,
one
two
on
page
four
item,
l
about
discounted
resident
rate.
Did
you
want
to
list
an
example
of
what
an
acceptable
proof
of
residency
is.
A
Most
normally
that
would
be
a
letter
proof
of
residence.
G
Oh,
I
see
okay
or
like
a
utility
bill.
A
A
Service
animals.
What
are
you
thinking
about.
G
Well,
some
people
who
have,
for
instance,
seizure
disorders,
do
have
a
service
animal
who
alert
them
to
an
oncoming
seizure,
and
I
could
see
somebody
playing
golf
who
might
need
to
have
that
animal
with
them.
A
G
E
B
B
E
A
motion
to
approve
this
mark.
B
Yeah,
so
yes,
so
what
will
happen
is
we'll
put
a
referral
into
the
council
and
it
typically
includes
a
recommendation
from
the
parks
and
recreation
commission
on
what
the
proposed
rates
and
that
they've
adopted
or
they're
recommending
some
proposed
rates
and
they
have
approved
the
the
changes
to
the
rules
and
regulations.
I
E
Okay,
so
moved,
and
I'd
also
like
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
rules
and
regulations
that
have
been
changed
for
the
upcoming
2022
golf
season.
E
E
B
Have
you
been
able
to
pull
up
the
agenda?
I
do
oh,
okay,
great.
F
I
Mark,
could
you
send
all
the
minutes
with
the
joint
meeting
email.
I
I
Yeah,
you
can
send
it
to
both.
That's
that's
fine,
but
it
was
a
separate
email
that
had
the
minutes
in
it.
B
E
G
I
found
there
was
just
one
typo
on
page
four
under
the
pratt
recreation
building,
one
two
three
fourth
line
down
instead
of
come
council
members,
it
should
be
some
with
an
s.
Okay,.
E
Like
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
with
the
changes
of
the,
what
is
that
of
the
january
13th
meeting
I'll.
E
They
sent
a
lot
of
minutes
okay
january
23rd,
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion.
Oh
this
is
the
our
special
meeting
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
of
the
saturday
saturday
january
23rd
meeting.
I
A
H
E
All
right,
so
we
did
all
that
and
any
citizens,
petitions
and
or
comments.
B
So
nobody
got
an
email
from
what
was
her
name,
elena
smith,
that
lives
over
near
bel
air
park.
No,
nobody.
J
B
So
I
I
did,
I
received
an
email
from
an
elena
smith
who
she
lives
near
bel
air
park,
playground
on
bel
air
drive
and
she
wants
she's
fed
up
with
dogs
in
the
park
and
dog
owners,
not
picking
up
after
the
dogs
and
wanted
to-
and
I
I
guess
I
sh-
I'm
surprised
that
she
didn't
reach
out,
because
I
replied
right
back
to
her
and
said
that
I
thought
the
first
step
for
her
would
be
to
contact
somebody
from
the
parks
and
rec
commission
to
discuss
what
she
was
proposing.
B
Yeah,
it's
e-l-e-n-a,
maybe
that's
a
lot:
yeah
alana
e
l,
e
n,
a.
B
So
there
is,
she
was
actually
asking
for
two
things
she
wanted
there'd
be
no
dogs
had
to
be
on
a
leash
in
the
park
and
that
there
would
be
some
type
of
a
fine
for
not
picking
up
after
your
dog.
Currently,
there
is
no
leash
law
in
in
groton.
The
state
leased,
claw
reads:.
B
There
is
actually
no
okay,
so
roaming
dogs,
the
general
statutes,
do
not
mandate
that
dogs
be
on
leashes
at
all
time,
but
a
dog's
owner
or
keeper
must
not
allow
it
to
roam
on
another
person's
land
or
on
a
public
highway,
including
sidewalks.
B
If
it
is
not
under
his
control
and
then
the
the
it
states,
local
governments
may
create
leash
law
ordinances
violating
the
state
roaming
law
is
an
infraction
punishable
so
and
then
the
other
thing
that
she
was
asking
for,
like
I
said,
was
a
some
type
of
an
ordinance
concerning
the
removal
or
picking
up
after
your
dog,
and
that
is
not
something
that
the
town
of
groton
has
at
this
point
either.
B
So
I'm
not
really
sure
what
the
commission
would
like
to
do
with
this.
If
we
want
to
respond
to
her
suggestion
or
or
how
we
want
to
deal
with
this,
I
sense
that
this
could
be
fairly
controversial.
B
Our
park
staff
sees
it
all
the
time
you
know
we
we
go
as
far
as
to
provide
mudmid
dispensers
with
the
little
plastic
bags,
and
people
will
pick
pick
up
after
the
dog
and
then
leave
the
bag
right.
There.
B
Or
they
will
throw
the
bag
into
the
woods.
We've
seen
them
strewed
all
in
the
woods
too.
So
it's
certainly
a
point
of
frustration.
You
know
they'd
actually
be
better
off.
B
B
We
do
not
have
a
dispenser
at
at
bel
air
park.
So
that's
an
option.
We
could
put
one
in
there
along
with
a
barrel.
How
effective
that's
going
to
be.
I
I
don't
really
know
it-
may
encourage
some
people
to
pick
up
after
their
dogs
and
it
may
not,
and
the
other
thing
we
find
is
it's
amazing
how
quickly
we
go
through
bags.
B
I
think
people
go
up
to
the
dispenser.
They'll
grab
a
dozen
bags
and
bring
them
back
to
the
house.
You
know
to
use
around
the
house
to
pick
up
after
their
dog
there,
so.
B
B
B
I
think
the
only
place
that
we
have
signs
encouraging
people
to
keep
their
dog
on
a
leash
is
actually
at
the
cop
property,
which
is
where
the
the
dog
park
is
otherwise
I
mean
we
could
be
putting
signs
up
for
for
everything
and
you
know,
but
we
could
certainly
try
that.
B
But
I
again,
I
don't
know
how
effective
that
would
be,
and
perhaps
that
would,
if
we
put
up
signs
that,
may
encourage
mrs
smith
to
to
follow
up
and
speak
to
somebody
on
the
commission,
because
this
this
would
come
from
the
commission
and
then
go
to
the
council
and
then
there's
a
whole
process
of
developing
an
ordinance.
I
I
did
you
know.
One
of
the
things
that
you
have
to
consider
is:
if
we
make
picking
up
after
your
dog,
you
know
come
up
with
a
fine
system.
B
Is
that
the
best
use
of
their
time
to
to
be
enforcing
you
know
chasing
around
people
that
aren't
picking
up
after
their
dog?
I
I'm
not
so
sure
that
that
is.
I
You
know
that
why
take
the
time
and
effort
to
create
two
ordinances,
one
about
picking
up
your
dog
waste
and
two
leaving
keeping
your
dog
on
a
leash.
When
you
know
there
are
plenty
of
state
parks
and
other
places
that
have
well
posted
signage.
That
says
dogs
must
be
leashed
at
all
times,
pick
up
after
your
pets
and
they're
still
bad
actors,
and
I
mean
we
don't
enforce
litter
laws
there.
I
A
E
I
I
agree
with
you
angela,
but
I
would
think
that
it.
It
would
be
good
to
start
with
a
trash
barrel
for
starters
and
a
sign
for
dog
owners
to
pick
up
after
their
bets,
I'm
not
in
favor
of
of
a
fine
or
anything
like
that,
but
I
am
in
favor
of
doing
both
those
things
kind
of
shows,
elena,
that
you're
responding
we're
responding
to
her
her
complaints.
G
B
B
Let
her
know
that
we're
going
to
take
those
initial
steps
and
monitor
and
ask
that
you
know
she
kind
of
monitored
the
situation
and
park
staff
certainly
would
be
doing
that
on
a
weekly
basis,
because
they're
out
there
mowing
during
a
good
part
of
the
season-
and
you
know
we
can
kind
of
keep
track
of
it
from
there
and
then
go
forward
from
there
at
some
point.
If
need
be,.
B
E
E
I
have
one
I
had
a
fellow
by
the
name
of
ed
halloran,
who
I
believe
lives
in
knowing
spoke
with
me
actually
today
about.
Is
it
possible
and
I
think
he
might
have
either
contacted
the
rec
department
about
putting
a
pickleball
court
on
the
no
anc
basketball
court?
And,
frankly,
I
don't
even
know
where
the
noack
basketball
court
is,
but
he
spoke
about
you
know,
would
that
be
possible.
B
E
He
told
me
he's
he
told
me
he's
reached
out
to
the
five
district
and
they've
told
him
that
that
he
should
talk
to
the
wreck
department
and-
and
he
did
tell
me
he
said,
watch
he
said,
oh
when
you
bring
it
up
they're,
going
to
tell
you
to
refer
it
to
the
fire
district.
So
it's
interesting
what
he
said
is
actually
what's
happening.
E
District
is
that
something
that
you
could
call
the
fire
district?
Is
there
at
the
fire
district.
B
E
B
A
E
If
I
see
them
again,
I'll
tell
them
to
look
them
up.
B
Yeah,
whoever
he
spoke
to
is
was
misinformed.
Okay,
that
you
know
he
should
talk
to.
You
know
he
should
talk
to
us,
because
we
have
nothing
to
do
with
that.
Currently
have
nothing
to
do
with
that.
With
with
that
park,
okay,.
B
B
Next
to
the
fire
station
next
to
the
fire
station
in
no
way,
just
as
you
just
go
over
the
bridge,
the
fire
station's
right
there
and
just
to
the
right
of
the
fire
station.
I
think
there's
a
there's,
a
basketball
court
and
a
tennis
court
and
a
small
playground
and
a
little
bit
of
green
space.
It's
there's
a
it's
a
corner,
lot
right!
Next
to
the
little
variety
store,
I
can't
think
of
the
name.
H
B
The
current
winter
session
that
we're
in
it's
all
virtual,
I
did
have
a
discussion
with
the
town
manager.
Yesterday,
you
know
we're
our
programmers
always
are
having
to
think
three
four
five.
Six
months
ahead,
we've
actually
already
started
planning
for
hiring
our
summer
camp
staff.
So
you
know
that
question.
The
programmers
asked
that
question
to
me
and
I
spoke
with
the
town
manager,
and
I
said
you
know
what
is
going
to
be
the
milestone.
B
That's
going
to
trigger
us
to
going
back
to
indoor
in-person
programming
and
he
replied
that
right
now
he
felt
that
when,
when
the
town
transitioned
from
red
status,
you
know
there's
a
there's
a
grid
of
yellow
orange
and
red,
and
it's
based
on
the
number
of
cases
per
100,
100
000
per
day,
red
you're
in
the
red
designation.
B
B
He
did
not
say
that,
but
he
didn't
indicate
that
it
would
be
like
the
first
week
that
we
dropped
below
the
red
designation
based
on
decisions
that
he's
made
over
the
last
eight
to
nine
months.
I
would
say
he
is
pretty
conservative
and
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
it
took
a
good
month
of
being
out
of
the
red
before
the
decision
was
made
to
allow
in-person
programming
inside
yeah.
B
So
fran,
I
don't
have
any
idea,
it's
difficult
to
say
how
long
this
is
is
going
to
last
and
right
now.
That's
the
only
milestone
that
we're
working
with
you
know
as
we
get
closer,
it
could
change.
B
But
right
now
I
know
for
summer
camp
we're
planning
on
operating
summer
camp
the
same
way
we
did
last
year,
so
very
low
numbers.
You
know,
groups
staying
the
same
all
day,
long,
not
intermittent
intermingling
with
with
other
groups.
B
So
we
just
don't
know.
I
know
we
will
be
as
soon
as
the
weather
is
suitable.
We
will
be
offering
outside
programs.
I
know
the
senior
center,
you
know
back
in
the
fall.
They
were
doing
programs
out
at
the
at
the
rink
and
I
believe
that
we'll
be
trying
to
do
some
outdoor
programming
tied
into
what's
taking
place
over
at
the
community
center.
B
You
know
tai
chi
or
something
like
that,
but
and
I
I
still
believe
that
you
know
if
we
come
to
that
transition
period
and
we're
part
way
through
an
eight-week
program
cycle
that
we
would
continue
to
offer
virtual
and
in
person
for
those
that
felt
comfortable
doing
that,
and
I
think
we
would
let
folks
know
as
they
were
signing
up
and
it
looked
like.
E
Okay
reports
you're
on
again
mark.
B
Okay,
so
dom
you
asked
me
to
update-
or
I
guess
the
question
came
up
about-
flanders,
road.
Oh
it's
actually
on
the
agenda,
so
I
think
I'll
skip
that
for
right.
Now,
golf
course
we
had
a
good
january.
I
think
we
were
ahead
of
last
january
and
february
is
not
looking
so
good
right
now.
I
think.
Last
year
we
did
about
30
000
in
february
last
year
and
we've
been,
we
have
not
opened
for
a
single
day
yet
and
with
the
upcoming
weather,
it
looks
like
we're
not
going
to
be
opening
anytime
soon.
B
Trails
coordinating
task
force:
there
is
no
report
because
we
haven't
met
since
this
december
athletic
fields,
the
athletic
fields
task
force-
is
actually
making
a
presentation
to
the
rtm
tonight.
They
made
a
presentation
to
the
council
two
weeks
ago
and
the
council
has
asked
them
to
continue
doing
work.
B
One
of
the
directives
was
that
they
come
back
with
information
about
synthetic
fields.
I
believe
the
same
night
that
the
athletic
fields
task
force
made
their
presentation.
The
groton
community
advocates
spoke
about
their
concerns
about
synthetic
turf
fields,
and
so
the
council
has
asked
the
athletic
field
task
force
to
do
some
more
research
and
come
back
with
more
information
about
synthetic
turf
fields,
pratt
recreation
building.
B
So
last
tuesday
night
the
council
approved
money
for
an
additional
study.
Thirteen
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
to
serve
do
a
statistically
valid
survey
in
the
community.
To
try
to
get
an
answer
to
the
question.
B
Do
people
want
the
theater
to
remain
as
a
theater,
or
do
they
want
it
to
be
converted
into
a
multi-use
space
that
will
allow
recreation
to
do
various
programming?
So
we
have
our
kickoff
meeting
with
the
consulting
group.
That's
doing
that.
We
actually
went
with
a
different
consulting
group.
This
time,
great
blue
they're,
out
of
connecticut
over
by
hartford
they've,
worked
with
the
town
on
a
couple
of
other
projects
and
they're,
proposing
to
do
a
phone
survey
up
to
10
questions
and
also
to
offer
an
online
an
open
online
survey.
B
So
the
statistically
valid
survey
will
be
f,
will
get
400
randomly
sampled
surveys
completed
and
the
open
online
is
will
be
available
to
anyone,
and
that
is
going
to
take
about
eight
weeks
to
go
through
the
whole
process
of
coming
up
with
the
questions
and
conducting
the
survey
and
then
doing
the
analysis,
and
then,
at
that
point
we'll
go
back
to
the
council
and
say:
okay.
This
is
what
the
the
public
has
said.
B
B
Then
we
will
continue
with
the
work
that
green
play
and
prairie
have
done.
I
People
still
want
to
have
the
flexible
space
there
and
they're
not
interested
in
a
theater.
What
is
there
any
way
that
the
council
could
come
back
and
be
like?
B
I
I'm
not
gonna
say
no,
that's
not
possible,
because
we
have
heard
counselors
say
I
want
a
theater,
so
I
I
yeah
you're,
absolutely
right.
We
could
go
through
this
process
and
still
the
decision
could
be
made
that
that
that
space
is
going
to
get
used
for
a
theater.
When
I,
the
other
thing
that
we're
doing
is
the
the
parks
and
recreation
department
has
reached
out
to
john
waller,
who
has
coordinated
this?
B
The
group
of
or
various
groups
of
theater
organizations
that
are
interested
in
in
retaining
the
theater
in
the
pratt
building
and
we're
actually
going
to
have
an
on-site
meeting
with
them
to
discuss
their
particular
needs
share
with
them
our
needs
and
just.
B
And
try
to
understand
where
each
group
or
each
side
is
coming
from,
and
so
that
will
help
us
and
help
them.
We
feel
make
better
decisions
moving
moving
forward
if
we
have
a
better
understanding
of
each
of
each
group's
needs.
So
we're
we're
trying
to
arrange
that
in
the
next
few
weeks,
so.
E
Will
that
would
mr
waller
also
go
to
the
groton
community
center
theater
as
well.
B
Yes,
we
would
actually
like
the
the
tour
to
include
an
on-site
visit
to
the
to
the
pratt
building
and
also
over
to
the
groton
community
center.
So.
B
H
And
I
was
also
wondering
like
this
is
something
I
keep
coming
back
to.
I
I
don't
for
some
reason,
just
from
things
that
have
happened
in
the
past
and
and
this
has
been
on
the
table
in
the
past
as
far
as
refurbishing
the
community
center
theater,
it
doesn't
sound
like
that's
on
the
table,
so
it's
it
sounds
like
just
to
me
from
what
I've
heard
from
there
are
discussions.
It
sounds
like
it's
theater
or
no
theater,
not
theater
in
pratt
versus
theater
in
the
community
center.
B
I
I
believe
it's
still
on
the
table.
We
have
at
every
opportunity
press
that
issue,
and
there
are
a
couple
of
counselors
that
have
been
have
indicated,
that
they
believe
that,
if
we're
going
to
do,
if
we're
going
to
do
further
studies,
that
we
look
at
both
spaces.
F
F
J
G
Of
the
speakers
of
arts
organizations
were
talking
about
having
to
share
performance
space
with
the
school
and
there
was
no
way
to
raise
my
hand
and
say
wait
a
minute.
It's
no
longer
a
school,
but
so
I
agree
with
dom.
I
think
it's
great
if
you
can
have
john
waller
and
his
group
look
at
both
spaces,
because
they
that
may
really
push
this
issue.
B
B
E
Okay,
moving
right
along
accreditation,
I'm
afraid
to
ask
oops.
B
We
are
still
working
through
all
of
that.
We,
the
lady-
that
was
not.
Maybe
I've,
already
told
you
this,
the
the
lady
that
was
kind
of
pulling
everything
all
together
took
another
job
we
offered
her
said:
can
you
still
do
it
part-time?
She
thought
she
could,
but
she
can't
so.
B
We've
pulled
that
in-house
and
so
we're,
I
won't
say
starting
from
scratch,
but
we're
having
to
she's
coming
up
to
speed
with
the
use
of
the
software
and
trying
to
pull
you
know
kind
of
jumping
in
halfway
through
somebody
else's
work,
trying
to
just
figure
all
of
that
out.
So
right
now
we're
focusing
on
trying
to
finish
this
10
different
chapters,
we're
trying
to
focus
on
finishing
all
of
the
standards
and
evidence
of
compliance
within
one
or
two
chapters,
and
then
we're
going
to
ship
that
off
to
our
mentor
to
have
them.
B
Look
through
it
to
provide
us
some
feedback
so
that
we
can
so
we
don't
continue
if
we're.
If
we're
not
doing
something
correctly
or
you
know,
we
can
continue
to
work
towards
getting
that
done.
I
my
expectation
is
that
we
will
be
submitting
our
application,
this
fall
and
then
starting
the
review
process.
I
B
B
B
You
know
there
would
be
an
opportunity
for
all
of
you
to
speak
with
them
and
I'm
sure
they
would
want
to
speak
to
you
and
you
know,
do
a
tour
of
some
of
the
facilities
and
just
yeah.
So
I
think
right
now
a
bulk
of
your
work
is
done,
but
there
may
be
a
few
small
things
that
I
may
need
to
come
back
to
you
and
say:
can
you
can
you
guys
review
this
and
provide
some
comments
and
approve,
but.
I
I
You
know,
I
feel,
like
I'm
a
pretty
quick
study
with
software.
I
imagine
that
it's
pretty
user
friendly
if
it's
something
that's
been
released
in
the
last
decade.
I
A
F
I
Like
more
of
the
procedural
piece
of
it
or
the
up
operational
administrative
piece
to
kind
of
get
it
moving
just
because
it
seems
like
you've
hit
a
hiccup,
you
couldn't
have
the
person
that
was
working
on
it
work
on
it,
and
just
you
know.
I
know
that
your
your
team
is
stretched.
You
only
have
a
finite
amount
of
resources,
but
we.
B
B
So
I
I
will
talk
to
the
staff
about
about
your
offer
and
see,
if
perhaps
there's
we
can
provide
some
training
and
and
have
you
jump
into
to
lend
a
hand.
I
E
All
right
moving
down
to
zero
flanders,
road
site
visit.
B
So
the
commission,
as
you
recall,
deb
jones,
saying
the
commission-
needs
to
make
a
decision
about
the
future
use
of
that
parcel.
I
I
do
have
a
couple
of
updates.
B
As
you
remember,
we
were
doing
the
walk
through.
We
came
upon
somebody's
calling
it
an
outdoor
cafe.
That
was
the
area
with
the
sorry.
I
have
to
check
my
my
phone
because
the
connecticut
community
connectivity
grant
is
being
reviewed
by
the
rtm
and
the
town
manager
said
he
may
be
texting
me.
B
B
What
senior
staff
is
doing
during
the
close
down?
What
does
this
have
to
do
with
transports?
Oh,
my
god,
all
right,
all
right,
I'm
going
to
try
to
text
and
talk
at
the
same
time.
B
So
the
reply.
B
G
B
E
E
E
I
would
ask
him
that
this
is
based
on
having
a
right
away
on
their
border
that
connects
to
the
sheep
farm,
and
then
the
third
part
of
my
plan
would
be
that
the
young
man
who,
although
did
a
nice
job,
if
you
will
on
property
that
wasn't
his.
E
E
Keep
that
disc
thing
and
as
his
penalty,
if
you
will,
he
has
to
upkeep
it
cut
branches,
keep
it
up,
do
whatever
as
a
town
wreck,
resource
and
and
he's
the
guy
who's
got
to
keep
it
up
as
far
as
his
penalty
for
going
on
and
cutting
trees,
etc.
E
Because,
no
matter
what
he
did,
something
that
he
should
not
have
done,
I
mean
it
was
nice
to
see
all
those
people
out
in
support
of
him,
but
it
was
town
property
he
cut
down.
He
didn't
cut
down
seven
trees.
He
probably
cut
down
70
or
80
trees
to
make
that
little
golf
course
that
that
he
that
he
made
and
is
running
so.
I
I
feel
like
it
should
be
a
bit
more
punitive
because
basically
you're
giving
him
what
he
wants,
which
is
to
keep
it.
I
mean
he's
going
to
upkeep
it
anyways
because
the
play
on
it.
So
I
don't
know
I
feel,
like
the
town
shouldn't,
be
forced
into
accepting
something
like
that
and
have
to
deal
with.
I
I
mean
we
already
have
a
disc
golf
course
that
we've
been
forced
to
take
because
somebody
built
it,
and
so
now
we
maintain
it,
and
that
is
this-
that's
time,
money
and
manpower
right
that
is
spent
maintaining
that
golf
course
that
was
created
just
on
on
somebody's
individual
whim
without
following
the
proper
channels.
So
I
don't
think
it's
fair
to
burden
taxpayers.
H
Well
would
would
we
consider
doing
a.
I
know
we
do
needs
assessments
for
lots
of
things,
but
if
it's
generally
thought
that
that's
something
that
people
want
in
the
town,
you
know,
but
we
wouldn't
know
that
unless
we
did
some
kind
of
assessment
to
get
the
general
feel
of
of
what
people
would
foresee
doing
with
it.
And
I'm
curious
I
wasn't
at
the
visit.
But
what
what
made
you
say
that
you
thought
it
would
be
good
to
sell
half
the
property
for
the
storage.
E
There
there
is
an
interested
buyer
who's,
a
relative
of
what
what's
the
property
mark,
that.
B
B
As
you
recall
there
was,
I
think,
three
different
groups
that
need
to
weigh
in
on
what
happens
to
this
property.
One
was
the
conservation,
commission
parks
and
recreation
commission
and
then
the
third
was
the
economic
development
edc
right,
angela
yeah,
yes,
yeah
economic
development,
commission
or
committee,
I'm
not
sure
which
that
is
get.
B
Commission,
okay,
so
I
I'm
not
aware
that
the
edc
has
made
any
recommendation.
The
conservation
commission
has-
and
I
I'm
just
going
to
read
to
you
what
they
have,
what
they
sent
a
review
of
the
2016
plan
of
conservation
development
shows.
This
property
comprises
a
linkage
between
the
central
and
eastern
green
belts.
B
Specifically,
this
parcel
provides
an
east-west
corridor
from
the
pendleton
farm,
open
space
to
the
state's
I-95
open
space
and
under
highway
culvert,
allowing
access
to
the
town's
transfer
station
and
candlewood
hill
wildlife
management
area.
So
their
recommendation
is
that
the
town
retain
the
space
for
open
space.
I
And
mark
I
can
give
you
an
update,
the
edc,
I
think,
voted
to
recommend
selling
it
because
it's
economically
viable.
B
G
And
I'm
going
to
speak
for
the
neighborhood,
because
I
know
so
many
of
those
folks
part
of
the
problem
for
that
section
of
flanders.
Road
is
the
zoning.
It's
it's
zoned,
I
think
light
industrial.
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
even
though
there
has
been
an
increase
in
home
building
on
that
section
of
flanders,
road,
the
pendleton
farms
mystic
way,
as
well
as
the
existing
residents
on
flanders
road
having
a
commercial
operation
move
into
that
space,
I
think,
would
be
detrimental
to
the
neighborhood.
B
And
I
I
started
to
tell
you
before
I
got
into
texting
that
that
open,
cafe
area
that
we
thought
was
on
town
property.
You
know
they
had
the
chairs
and
I
think
there
was
a
fireplace
or
a
fire
pit
and
there
was
a
small
bar
that
actually
is
not
on
town
property.
H
B
That
is
correct,
yes,
and
we
have
no
input
on
how
it
gets
used.
If
it's
you
know
and
and
the
fact
that
it's
going
to
get
used
for
storage
or
for
a
strip
mall
or
whatever.
That
is
not
part
of
the
decision.
It's
just
whether
we
prefer
to
keep
it
see
that
retained
as
open
space
or,
if
that
would
be
sold
for
commercial.
H
Use
being
my
inclination,
after
what
I
saw
of
it
and
hearing
about
your
experience,
would
be
it's
not
like.
This
is
the
permanent
decision,
I'm
guessing
that,
where,
if
we
decide
to
keep
it
the
town's
stuck
keeping
it
forever
depending
on
what
we
want
to
do
with
it.
But
I
would
say
right
now:
it
seems
like
it's
got
some
pretty
viable
uses
for
open
space
as
far
as
parks
and
rec
youth.
A
E
Can
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
use
zero
flanders
road
property
as
parcel
as
open
space.
E
All
right,
moving
right
along
bicycle
pump,
track
proposal.
I
B
Okay,
so
brian
kent,
who
has
been
patiently
waiting
since
this
meeting,
started
right.
Well,
he
he's
a
landscape
architect.
I
he
probably
spends
four
nights
a
week.
Making
presentations
to
different
groups,
so
ryan
is
one
of
the
principals
at
kenton
frost,
which
is
a
landscaping
company
right
here
in
mystic,
have
done
some
great
projects
with
them
in
the
past,
and
I
do
while
I
had
this
opportunity.
B
Brian
was
instrumental
in
providing
assistance
when
I
was
working
on
the
the
connecticut
community
connectivity
grant.
He
provided
a
lot
of
great
information
and
I
I
feel
that
we
probably
would
not
have
been
awarded
the
the
grant
if
it
weren't,
for
the
information
that
brian
provided
to
us.
So
thank.
L
B
B
One
of
brian's,
other
hats
is:
he
is
the
president
of
bike
groton,
which
is
a
bicycle
advocacy.
Group
brian
is
a
big
biker
himself.
B
He
prefers
to
ride
on
the
snow
up
in
vermont
versus
the
roads
around
here
in
mystic,
so
brian
and
bike
rotten
approached
me
probably
a
month
ago
about
the
idea
of
a
bicycle
pump
track
on
the
parcel
that
they
have
kind
of
identified
at
the
end
of
depot
road
right
by
the
entrance
to
the
state
park.
So
I
think
I've
shared
with
everybody,
the
presentation
that
brian
is
gonna
run
through
tonight
and
brian
I'm
gonna.
B
L
I
L
L
G
L
Okay,
all
right
all
right,
so
I
don't
have
to
explain
every
detail.
Let
me
start
by
just
giving
you
a
little
bit
of
a
little
bit
more
background
than
what
you
just
got
from
from
mark,
and
that
is
that
so
bike
groton
has
only
been
around
for
a
year.
So
we
we,
we
transitioned
from
mystic
community
bikes
and
you
may
have
heard
about
mystic
or
you
might
be
familiar
with
mystic
community
bikes
because
it
was
around
for
over
10
years.
L
It
started
in
2008
and
I
was
a
member
of
the
board
back
then,
and
then
I
went
off
for
a
few
years
and
they
they
had
the
green
bikes
that
were
located
down
at
mystic
bank
square
books
and
at
the
nature
center
and
at
the
different
hotels
and
the
marinas
and
so
forth,
and
they
got
out
of
the
business
of
bike
sharing
a
couple
of
years
ago
when,
when
a
person
that
took
one
of
the
bikes
crashed
and
then
sued
them,
and
so
that
put
an
end
to
it,
believe
me
now
the
the
insurance
that
they
had.
L
Thank
goodness
covered
it,
and
it
was,
it
was
a.
It
was
a.
It
was
a
reasonable
settlement
and
that's
all
done
and
behind
them
now,
but
they
for
for
over
a
year
didn't
know
what
to
do.
And
then
I
I
kind
of
got
back
involved
and
I
persuaded
the
members
of
the
board
that
were
still
active
to
reconstitute,
along
with
some
other
folks
who
had
a
similar
interest
as
a
as
an
advocacy
organization.
L
Now
we
advocate
for
bicycle
users
and
pedestrians,
we're
not
just
we're
not
just
there
to
improve
bicycle
conditions,
but
we
are
for
bikes
and
pedestrians
since,
since
we
all
kind
of
share
so
much
of
the
same
scarce
real
estate,
we
want
to
be
sure
that
there's
equity
and
there's
fairness
and
really
what
we
emphasize
is
safety
and
convenience
and
and
and
convincing
the
stakeholders
and
the
people
that
lead
the
different
communities,
particularly
groton,
that
this
is
a
really
important
and
worthwhile
way
to
look
at
our
transportation
system.
L
Our
roadways
and
our
trails,
and
one
way
to
introduce
people
to
the
to
the
benefits
of
bicycling
is
to
give
them
activities
that
are
fun
and
that
are
inexpensive
or
free
and
appeal
to
a
variety
of
ages,
particularly
kids,
who
are
in
the
adolescent
teenage
age
groups
who,
in
the
last
year
particularly
have
just
been
bored
out
of
their
minds.
You
know
and
haven't,
had
that
much
to
do.
L
We
came
up
with
this
idea
of
promoting
and
hopefully
raising
enough
money
to
build,
what's
known
as
a
pump
track
and
pump
tracks
aren't
well
known,
there's
only
one
other
pump
track
in
the
state
of
connecticut
that
we
know
of
it's
in
madison
connecticut
and
it's
part
of
a
large
mountain
bike
park
down.
There
called
rocklin
that's
on
town
property
that
is
actually
known
all
over
new
england.
The
rocklin
bike
park
has
a
reputation
when
I
go
up
to
northeast
kingdom
vermont
to
the
kingdom
trails
up
there.
L
Those
folks
have
heard
of
rockland,
that's
the
only
place
in
connecticut
they've
heard,
but
it's
it's
on
the
map.
Now,
if
you
ask
skateboarders
where's
a
great
place
to
skateboard,
they
probably
say
the
skate
park
in
groton.
It's
on
the
map,
for
that
particular,
you
know
user
group,
but
what
we
know
from
looking
at
pump
tracks
around
the
country
and
around
the
world.
L
F
L
And
I
may
be
the
one
of
the
few
people
in
in
this
town
that
has
so
so
we
went
through
a
fairly
systematic
site
selection
process,
which
is
what
we
do.
We
look
for
property
that
was
centrally
located.
You
know
that
had
access
to
to
to
roads
and
trails
that
was
near
an
already
established,
bicycle
magnet,
and
that
is
of
course,
bluff
point
haley
farm
state
park,
lots
of
people
go
there
to
mountain
bike
and
we
found
this
site
this
park
in
at
the
end
of
or
the
south
end
of
deeper
road.
L
There
we
go
is
not
only
is
it
locally,
convenient
and-
and
it
also
has
a
regional
significance
in
that,
besides
being
on
a
number
of
trails
and
and
routes
that
I'll
identify
in
a
second,
it's
also
on
what
has
been
proposed
as
the
eastern
shoreline
path,
the
regional
bicycle
and
pedestrian
plan.
That
was
done
a
couple
years
ago
by
the
the
council
of
governments
that
I
also
worked
on
recommended
this.
This
is
a
this
is
a
bicycle
tourism
touring
route.
L
It
could
potentially
go
all
the
way
to
new
haven,
as
you
see
on
the
left
of
your
screen
and
thus
could
be
designated
a
us
bike
route.
1A
everybody's
familiar
with
the
road
1a's
like
the
road,
the
1a
through
stonington,
but
there's
there's
also
a
one
and
a
one:
a
root
system
for
bicycles.
Now,
there's
lots
of
other
designated
routes
around
the
country,
there's
another
one
in
connecticut
down
on
the
west
end
of
the
state
that
goes
north
south,
it's
route
7.
L
It
goes
all
the
way
to
burlington
vermont
and
it's
all
on
road.
And
it's
it's
it's.
It's
really
appeals
to
the
folks
that
get
out
there
and
do
multi-day
tours
that
ride
long
distances
spend
the
night
in
hotels
or
b
b's
or
even
camp
along
the
way,
and
that's
what
bicycle
tourism
is
and
that's
what
what
I've
been
promoting.
L
In
my
other
role,
which
is
vice
chair
of
the
bicycle
and
pedestrian
advisory
board
for
the
state
of
connecticut,
we
meet
once
a
month
with
dot
and
promote
and
talk
to
dot
about
their
bike
and
pedestrian
program.
So
that's
that's
one
more
important
feature
now.
As
far
as
the
close-in
groton
community
context
you
can
see
in
orange.
This
is
the
root
of
the
the
eastern
shoreline
path.
L
It
may
or
may
not
go
along
the
the
aquatic
boardwalk
over
there,
because
that's
such
a
narrow
route,
it
may
end
up
going
up
deeper
road
and
then
down
route
one.
If
route
one
can
accommodate
it,
but
you
can
see
that
it's
also
the
gns
trolley
trail
and
the
trolley
trail
extension
is
the
name
of
the
community
connectivity
grant
that
mark
just
mentioned
and
its
root
is
shown
in
green
and
part
of
its
trail.
L
Like
the
little
connection
from
the
end
of
the
street
there,
I
forget
the
name
of
that
court
over.
L
Knox
knoxville
court
right
thanks
and
then
it's
on
street
with
signs
and
and
stencils
on
the
roadway
and
then
at
sutton
park
it
becomes
a
full
paved
multi-use
trail.
So
this
would
be
a
new
pathway
through
the
park
to
connect
to
the
one
that
runs
parallel
to
route
1
and
it
creates
this
loop.
L
So
this
makes
a
lot
of
benefit
for
the
neighborhood,
because
folks,
there
can
safely
ride
their
bikes
now
or
walk
through
the
park
to
get
to
these
different
destinations
like
pequonic
plains
and
sutton
park
and
the
library
and
the
community
center.
So
this
is
why
we
feel
like
this
is
a
great
site
for
something
like
this,
and
I
think
I've
covered
all
the
points
that
are
on
the
slide.
So
I'll
move
on.
G
L
B
L
Yeah,
let's
see
I
I've
got
two
monitors
going
on
here
and
let's
see
I'm
looking
for
a
way.
Oh
here
we
go
all
right,
so
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
do
a
new
share.
L
G
L
A
B
L
Yes,
okay,
all
right
great
sorry
about
that.
Okay,
so
this
is
the
eastern
shoreline
path,
the
site's
here
in
the
center
this.
This
is
the
the
context
that
I
was
just
talking
about.
Let
me
get
it
there.
We
go
okay,
so
dns,
charlie
trail
orange.
Also,
the
the
eastern
shoreline
path,
u.s
bike
route,
1a,
we
hope,
there's
your
site.
L
The
green
loop
is
the
community
connectivity
bikeway
route
and
then
there's
also
the
proposed
tri-town
trail
heading
north
on
its
way
to
preston
bluff
points
down
there.
You
guys
know
this
area
now
we're
on
the
site
and
what
it
has
currently
is
a
parking
area
for
at
least
10
cars.
It
has
a
playground,
it
has
a
pathway
that
goes
around
the
perimeter
and
another
pathway
meeting
up
at
the
beginning
of
the
boardwalk
and
within
that
is
a
central,
open
grass
area
that
has
no
programmed
use.
L
L
This
is
what
the
pump
track
would
look
like.
This
is
one
of
several
potential
layouts,
but
you
can
see
in
terms
of
its
size.
You
know
it
occupies,
maybe
50
percent
of
that
area.
It
could
be
moved
around
a
little
bit.
It's
really
just
adding
soil
to
the
existing
grade.
L
You're
just
building
up
to
create
these
features
that
the
bike
riders
ride
on
and
then,
where
you've
got
these
low
areas
that
are
kind
of
contained,
we
would
need
to
have
some
drainage.
We
would
do
some
rain
gardens
so
as
much
of
the
water
as
possible
be
absorbed,
and
then
we
would
have
some
overflow
pipe
that
may
have
to
go
out
towards
the
quantic
river
to
to
drain
it
off.
L
If,
if
we
get
a
lot
of
rain
there,
we
might
also
want
to
put
a
fence
around
it,
just
to
keep
dogs
out
or
or
just
just
so
that
people
who
are
riding
around
in
here
don't
have
to
dodge
somebody,
that's
walking
through
or
whatever,
because
you
can
get
up
to
fairly
high
rate
of
speed,
we're
above
flood
elevation.
You
see,
I
put
that
node
on
there.
12.5
is
out
of
the
flood
plain.
L
We
have
some
permitting,
of
course,
with
its
found
site
plan
review
process
and
then
because
we're
adjacent
to
the
coastline,
it
would
be
reviewed
by
by
deep,
which
is
a
cam
review.
A
coastal
area
management
act
review.
They
make
a
recommendation
to
the
town.
The
town
then
decides
whether
they
want
to
follow
the
recognition
you
may
have
been
exposed
to
this
before
on
other
projects,
but
this
is
a
fairly
simple
and
non-controversial
kind
of
project.
L
So
this
is
a
close-up
of
what
it
looks
like
if
you
were
gonna
ride
here.
You
would
start
up
here
where
it
says
staging
area
in
the
top
right
and
then
you
would,
you
would
drop
in
you're,
only
maybe
four
feet
high
here
above
ground.
This
has
room
for
maybe
half
a
dozen
people
to
wait
their
turns,
and
then
you
just
ride
through
here,
and
you
can
just
kind
of
choose
your
route
and
the
great
thing
about
these
is
you
don't
pedal
in
a
in
a
pump
truck?
L
You
use
your
body's
up
and
down
motion
and
the
way
you
position
the
bike
to
accelerate
and
you
can
basically
go
around
and
around
and
around
forever.
It's
like
a
perpetual
motion
track
and
it
it
will
wear
you
out,
it's
just
a
terrific
full
body
exercise
and
it
it's
just
thrilling
to
to
do
this
and
to
get
the
hang
of
it,
because
it's
not
something
that
most
people
have
ever
experienced
being
able
to
propel
themselves
on
a
bicycle
without
having
to
pedal
it's
just
it's
really.
L
It's
really
mind-blowing.
So
this
is
what
it
this
is
what
they
look
like
you
see,
you
see
these
these,
the
successive
humps
are
the
rollers.
L
That's
where
you
that's,
where
you
pick
up
speed
through
pushing
and
pulling
on
the
bike,
and
then
the
berms
or
the
the
the
180
degree
turns
that
are
very
tight,
where
you
really
feel
the
the
the
push
of
gravity
and
centrifugal
force,
they're,
they're,
they're,
low
maintenance.
You
can
see
from
this
these
photographs,
where
they've
just
planted
turf.
L
And
really
turf
maintenance
is
about
the
only
thing
that
has
to
be
done.
They
do
need
to
be
tuned
up
if
they
get
a
lot
of
use
since
they're
dirt.
They
may
have
to
be
tuned
up
with
some
shovels
and
some
soil
periodically,
but
it's
not
something
that
really
gets
worn
out
by
use
all
right.
So
what
I
want
to
do,
if
I
can,
if
I
can
get
this
to
work,
let
me
try.
This
again
is
just
a
really
quick.
B
L
J
J
J
L
Okay
and
then
so,
kids
just
go
crazy
on
these
and
they
get
they.
They
tend
to
be
very
popular
after
school,
on
weekends
and
guys
like
that
guy,
that
did
the
presentation
and
this
guy
here
they
have
to
wait
until
it's
not
so
crowded
so
that
they
can
get
out
and
do
what
they
do.
So
you'll
see
these
folks
that
are
more
mature
and
experienced,
show
up
when
the
kids
are
in
school
and
they
ride
them
like.
L
L
And
it's
it's
and
it's
fun.
So
that's
the
presentation
what
I'm
going
to
just
go
through
quickly
now
to
finish.
It
is
the
schedule
that
we're
on
so
we
had
our
february
meeting
of
bike
groton
last
night,
which
was
also
our
annual
meeting
where
we
re-elected
the
the
the
officers.
L
L
We've
submitted
a
letter
of
interest
for
a
grant
to
people
for
bikes,
which
is
a
non-profit
organization,
a
national
organization
that
has
a
program
that
it
grants
small
amounts
up
to
ten
thousand
dollars
twice
a
year
to
projects
and
programs,
and
we've
we've
submitted
a
letter
of
interest
we'll
find
out
a
little
bit
later.
L
Whether
we've
been
shortlisted
for
the
grant,
but
on
march,
2nd
I'll,
be
making
a
presentation
to
town
council,
basically
the
same
presentation
as
this
requesting
their
support
by
then
we'll
have
found
out
by
february
26
whether
we
have
been
shortlisted
for
the
grant
and
if
so
then,
we'll
be
submitting
for
their
grant
application,
which
is
in
the
full
grant
application
which
is
in
april.
L
But
whether
or
not
we
get
the
grant.
We're
still
going
to
really
get
into
outreach
with
a
newspaper
article,
an
open
house
on
zoom
facebook,
direct
outreach,
etc.
L
If
things
go
well
at
that
point,
we'll
be
submitting
a
site
plan
application
to
the
planning
department,
which
will
take
care
of
issues
like
the
the
grading
and
the
drainage
and
the
sediment
and
erosion
control.
L
And
then
that
will
also
go
too
deep
for
the
the
cam
review
and
once
we
kind
of
have
our
ducks
in
row,
if
everything
is
going
according
to
plan,
we'll
kick
off
a
concerted
fundraising
campaign.
So
we're
going
to
wait
until
we're
pretty
sure
that
we
have
our
approvals
and
support
and
then
we'll
go
to
the
public
for
a
fundraising
campaign.
L
We
have
we
have
reached
out
just
through
word
of
mouth
and
through
some
of
the
local
bike
groups
and
have
gotten
just
really
positive
feedback
and
a
lot
of
support
for
this,
and
we
know
that
because
we're
on
the
edge
of
a
dense
neighborhood
with
a
lot
of
families,
that
this
would
be
a
well-utilized
facility.
E
Okay
and
what
added
liability
would
would
a
project
such
as
this
mean
to
the
town?
One
and
two
do
kids?
Is
this
a
free?
Is
this
a
free
activity?
Do
kids
pay
to
do
this.
B
E
Would
there
be
additional
insurances
that,
in
terms
of
liability,
that
the
town
would
need
to
have.
B
G
L
F
L
Two
videos:
I
showed
you,
I
was
looking
through
all
the
youtube
videos
on
pump
tracks.
You
know
how
to
how
to
pump
track.
I
was
trying
to
find
the
one
minute
video.
So
I
was
looking
at
all
these
videos
and
lots
of
them
are
are
showing
little
kids
that
have
just
learned
how
to
ride
bikes
that
are
riding
on
these
and
they're
just
they're
just
doing
great,
and
you
know
if
they
fall
over.
L
L
You
can't
have
a
a
hall
monitor
there,
telling
everybody
to
wear
helmets,
but
that's,
I
think
it's
become
so
common
now
for
people
to
wear
helmets
when
they
ride
bikes,
you'll
find
that
it'll
be
it'll,
be
just
conventional,
but
in
communities
where
pump
tracks
have
really
become
well
known,
they're
actually
paving
these
in
asphalt
and
because
you
can
then
ride
a
skateboard
or
a
push
scooter
scooter,
and
you
can
you
and
and
then
there's
even
less
maintenance
once
you
do
that
they
just
become
permanent
and
then
the
the
the
the
those
are
for
places
where
it
just
becomes
so
popular
that
you
just
need
something.
L
L
L
It's
just
a
real
magnet
for
activity,
it's
three
or
four
times
the
size
of
this
one,
and
they
have
events
there
and
professionals
come
and
ride
and-
and
it's
quite
the
it's
quite
the
the
facility,
so
you'll
see
everything
from
pump
tracks
in
people's
backyards
that
they
they
build
themselves
to
these
kind
of
public
facilities
and
they're,
really
for
an
inexpensive,
family-oriented
recreational
resource.
They're
really
they're,
really.
L
Well,
we've
applied
for
a
grant
initially
that
has
a
maximum
of
ten
thousand
dollars.
So
that's
not
going
to
pay
for
the
for
the
for
the
entire
track,
but
we're
going
to
kick
off
a
fundraising
campaign,
so
so
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
crowdsource
and
we're
going
to
reach
out
to
corporate
and
commercial
entities
in
and
around
the
community
and
raise
the
money.
L
L
Well,
I
don't
think
our
organization
has
the
capacity
to
do
very
much
maintenance.
We
certainly
can't
do
the
the
grass
mowing,
which
is
something
that
the
town
already
takes
care
of,
but
we
can
you
know
we
can.
We
can
certainly
help
with
the
maintaining
the
the
track
itself
if
it
requires
some
tuning
up
some,
some
compacting
or
smoothing
out.
You
know
with
rakes
and
shuttles
and
that
sort
of
thing
we
could
certainly
have
work
days
to
help
the
town
staff
take
care
of
it,
but
the
general
maintenance.
B
Yes,
I
think
that's
exactly
what
would
happen.
You
know
I'd
see
a
little
less
mowing
and
probably
a
little
bit
more
weed
whacking,
but
that
would
that
would
that
would
be
about
it.
I
think.
B
Yes,
you
know.
As
far
as
the
the
track
maintenance,
I
would
think
that
this
would
be
kind
of
a
community
driven
maintenance,
and,
if
built
correctly,
I
wouldn't
expect
that
there
would
be
a
great
deal
of
maintenance
involved
in
something
like
this.
As
far
as
the
maintenance
of
the
track.
L
Yeah,
so
these
are
most
typically
made
from
dirt
and
the
way
this
would
be
built
is
we
would
you
know
we
would
design
it
and
calculate
the
quantity
of
soil,
and
we
would
have
a
drawing
like
this.
That
would
specify
the
elevation
of
every
feature
and
its
dimension
and
that
sort
of
thing,
and
then
we
would
put
it
out
to
bid
to
companies
we
could
we
could.
We
could
probably
find
a
local
company
that
could
be
a
competitive
bidder,
but
there
are
some
companies
believe
it
or
not.
L
That
specialize
in
these
kinds
of
bike
park
facilities,
and
so
we
might
be
lucky
enough
to
find
someone
that
has
already
built
ones
like,
for
example,
the
one
and
madison
already
understands
how
to
go
about
it
and
they
would
just
be
bringing
in
soil
and
then
moving
it
and
sculpting
the
features.
L
And
then
you
know
with
the
drainage
done
first
and
the
finishing
landscaping,
and
perhaps
the
fencing,
it's
probably
a
two-month
construction
duration
and
then
it
could
be,
and
then
it
could
be
open
to
the
public.
So
it's
it's
entirely
possible
that
it
would
be
built
in
the
in
this.
You
know
the
2021
summer
fall
season
if
we
can
raise
enough
money
this
this
year,
early
in
the
you
know
enough,
in
the
spring
early
summer,.
E
B
Yeah,
I
don't
know
if
you'd
want
to
make
a
motion
if
the
counts,
if
the
commission
felt
comfortable,
you
know
saying
that
they
supported
you,
know
the
concept
of
the
development
of
a
pump
track
and
because,
like
brian
said,
his
next
step
is
march,
2nd
going
to
the
to
the
council
to
make
a
presentation
trying
to
get
their
support,
and
I
think
again,
if
the
commission
felt
comfortable,
you
know
supporting
this,
that
that
would
certainly
benefit
brian
in
his
presentation
and
hopefully
getting
the
council
on
board.
With
this.
E
H
Does
this
have
to
be
decided
upon
now,
because
I'm
I'm
curious
to
hear
how
these
tracks
hold
up
it's
hard
for
me
to
think
that
something
that's
made
of
dirt
with
people
riding
by
I
mean
I
see
what
happens
with
the
trails
when
it
rains
again,
it
gets
muddy
and
people
ride
on
them
and
they
get
all
kinds
of
rutted
and
everything-
and
I
worry-
I
guess
about
upkeep-
so
I'm
curious
to
maybe
see
how
they
hold
up
in
other
facilities,
because
I'm
worried
about
the
upkeep
and
things
becoming
dangerous
if
it's
not
maintained
properly.
L
L
So
there
are
trees
inside
of
the
track
and
they've
had
to
deal
with
with
limbs,
and
you
know,
and
there
was
a
windstorm
and-
and
that
has
been
an
expense
for
them,
but
otherwise
and
they
wish
they
hadn't
built
it
in
in
among
the
trees,
of
course,
aesthetically
and
their
shade,
and
everything
is
wonderful,
but
it
also
has
caused
them
a
little
bit
of
issue.
But
here
we
have
none
of
that
and
the
the
recipe
for
the
soil
is
specific.
L
You
know
it's
not
just
it's
not
just
dirt
from
from
whittles
it's
a
mixture
of
soil
and
sand,
and
so
it
it
it
compacts
very
hard
and
it
drains
very
well,
and
it's
also
designed
so
the
water's
not
pooling
in
anywhere
in
any
location.
L
L
There
are
those
hardcore
nuts
that
do,
but
you
know
I
mean
there
would
be
some
there's
always
going
to
be
some
maintenance
on
something
like
this,
but
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
anything
like
what
you
see
on
some
of
the
the
heavily
used
trails
like
bluff,
point
haley
farm,
where
you've
got
sections
that
don't
have
good
drainage
and
that's
where
the
problems
occur.
I
B
I
I
think
so
you
know
it's.
B
You
know
you
end
up
spending
a
lot
more
time
making
repairs
on
it.
So
it
would,
you
know,
as
we
put
out
the
the
the
rfp
for
the
design,
I
mean
we
would
have
to
make
sure
that
we
identified
you
know
the
soil
type
and
exactly
and
this
and
specified
exactly
how
it
was
to
be
built,
and
I
think,
as
long
as
those
standards
were.
J
B
B
You
know
it
certainly
encourages
physical
activity
which
we're
all
about,
and
so
I
think
it
would
be
a
great
addition
to
the
town
and
the
fact
that
you
know
brian
and
his
group
have
are
proposing
to
you
know,
do
this
fundraise
to
to
pay
for
the
project,
and
I
and
I
think
that
the
biking
community,
you
know
my
experience
in
working
with
the
southeast
connecticut
mountain
bike
association
is
they
take?
B
They
put
a
lot
into
the
biking,
resources
and,
and
they
frequently
have
days
where
they'll
come
out
and
rework
a
section
of
trail,
and
I
would
expect
that
this.
We
would
get
that
same
kind
of
response
in
the
in
the
care
of
this.
You
know
if
we
had
to
do
a
rework
on
a
section
or
something
that,
if
we
put
out
there,
you
know
workday
that
we
would
get
a
strong
contingent
of
folks
that
would
come
out
and
provide
assistance.
I
All
right
well,
then,
based
on
that
and
your
confidence,
because
I
am
confident
that
you
know
how
to.
I
I
feel,
like
you,
have
a
record
of
managing
your
resources
responsibly.
You
have
a
clear
understanding
of
your
capacity
and
your
team's
capacity,
and
for
that
reason,
because
I
trust
in
you
as
the
expert,
I
make
a
motion
that
we
support
this
and
support
this,
and
let
the
council
know
that
we've,
given
our
support
for
it.
G
E
Moved.
Thank
you
brian,
very
much
and
good
luck.
E
All
right,
apparently,
our
next
meeting
is
march
10th
and
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
adjourn.
D
G
G
Do
we
want
to
take
action
on
that?
First.
I
Elizabeth
thank
you
for
doing
that.
It
looks
really
good.
I
think
we
just
have
to
update
there's
you
have
it
highlighted
for
for
a
specific
step
right.
We
just
need
to
fill
that
in
yes,.
G
Well,
it's
the
the
conservation
area,
that's
adjacent
to
the
education
center
that
in
the
restler
presentation
they
talked
about
connecting
trails
to
that
space
as
well.
B
So
that's
that's!
The
parcel
that's
owned
by
connecticut
deep.