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From YouTube: Groton Historic District Commission 1/19/21
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Groton, Connecticut municipal meeting: Historic District Commission January 19, 2021. Click on the link below to view the agenda.
https://www.agendasuite.org/iip/groton/meeting/details/1124
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Okay,
is
that
better?
Yes,
that's
better!
You
could
have
read.
You
could
have
read
my
lips.
You
know
all
right,
so
you
got
the
first
part
right.
Okay,
we'll
start
over
dear
matt,
please
publish
the
following
public
notice
for
one
insertion
on
monday
january
11,
2021.,
connor,
groton
notice,
a
public
hearing,
historic
issue.
C
A
zoom
meeting
link
will
be
posted
to
the
town's
website
meetings
calendar
or
can
be
attended
by
visiting
www.zoom.us
webinar
id
820-1457-6390,
password
664146
or
by
phone
one.
Three,
one,
two,
six,
two,
six,
six,
seven,
nine
nine
applications
are
on
file
and
available
for
public
inspection
during
normal
business
hours
at
the
planning
department.
One
thirty
four
grant
in
long
point,
road,
grotto
connecticut
dated
this
11th
day
of
january
2021
at
groton,
connecticut,
todd
brady
secretary.
C
E
Thank
you,
so
I
will
call
hdc
20-74-51
cliff
street
thomas
and
vikila
france
owner's
applicant
stonewall.
This
application
was
contained
from
the
last
meeting.
Their
neighbors,
mr
and
mrs
elmer
had
submitted
a
letter
and
we
ultimately
continued
this
item
and
now
have
a
chance
to
hear
from
the
actual
applicant.
So
if
mr
and
miss
lafrance
would
like
to
make
their.
E
B
Okay:
okay,
we
wanted
to
do
you're
going
to
show
us:
okay,
oh
we're
going
to
to
construct
a
dry
stone
wall
on
the
northwest
corner
located
at
51
cliff
street
wall
to
be
what's.
What's
that
I
can't
construct
it
mostly
from
the
original
structure
foundation.
Stone.
The
stone
wall
will
join
the
three
stone
markers
noted
on
the
plot
plan
from
charlie
johnson
running
west
to
east
222
and
a
half
feet
and
running
north
to
south
52
feet:
high
24
to
36
inches
width
around
24,
inches,
okay,
okay,
there's
the
picture
there.
You
go.
B
E
B
B
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B
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B
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B
B
B
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B
A
B
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E
E
Dude,
you
know
what
would
it
be
best
linda
if
I
just
read
this
letter
in
the
record
sure?
Okay,
sorry,
my
contacts
are
bothering
me
dear
sir.
This
letter
is
in
response
to
mr
elmer's
letter
to
mr
zanarini,
one
for
2021,
regarding
my
application
to
enhance
the
curb
appeal
of
my
property
by
installing
a
beautiful
stone
wall
along
the
property
line
between
mr
elmer's
property
line
and
mine,
as
mr
elmer
has
stated
that
he
has
no
overall
problem
with
the
construction
of
a
wall
between
the
two
properties.
E
I
will
attempt
only
to
alleviate
the
concerns
he
has
with
my
proposal.
As
noted
in
the
letter
from
mr
elmer
to
mr
zanerini
concern
number
one:
referencing,
the
existing
stone
boundary
markers
west
to
east.
Mr
elmer's
concern
seems
to
be
that
he
wishes
that
the
wall
not
extend
in
an
easterly
direction
beyond
the
stone
marker.
It
is
my
intention
to
extend
the
wall
out
to
the
curb
line.
The
extension
of
the
wall
to
the
curb
would
not
cause
any
interference
with
the
elm
of
property.
E
Excuse
me,
a
majority,
a
majority
of
our
neighbors
use
of
that
area
referred
to
as
the
town
right
away.
Furthermore,
I'll
match
the
stone
covered
areas
across
the
front
of
my
home
at
51
cliff
street,
as
this
part
of
my
proposed
wall
in
question
does
not
encroach
any
part
of
the
owner
property.
I
therefore
request
your
approval
concern
number
two
regarding
the
stone
markers
that
mr
elmer
has
stated
have
been
in
existence
since
the
1800s
and
that
he
would
like
to
protect
for
future
reference.
E
It
is
expected
that
any
encroachment
of
plants
and
or
shrubbery
will
be
kept
free
and
clear
of
the
center
line
of
all
three
markers
vertically
to
the
height
of
said
plants
and
or
shrubs
concern
number
three.
The
rocks
mentioned
in
concern
number
three
replaced
there
by
mr
elmer
is
a
divergence
of
the
storm
water
running
across
his
property.
These
stones
will
be
removed
or
utilized
within
the
new
wall
construction
and
therefore
will
eliminate
the
need
for
concern.
Number
three:
okay,.
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H
Okay,
I'm
sorry.
I've
had
some
computer
problems
in
driving
around
mystic
the
I
see
all
over
the
place,
shrubberies
and
bushes,
and
things
in
the
town
right
of
way.
My
front
porch
is
actually
in
the
town
right
of
way
it
bushes
and
these
things
come
and
go
a
stone
wall
going
right
down
to
the
curb
there.
H
I
would
think
would
kind
of
look
out
of
place.
I
would
think
gone
down
to
that
stone
marker
and,
if
mr
lafrance
wanted
to
take
it
over
perpendicular
to
his
his
driveway.
That
would
look
nice,
but
just
coming
out
on
an
angle
and
coming
off
at
the
curb,
that's
a
that's
a
stone
wall
and
that's
going
to
be
there
for
a
long
time,
and
it's
also
over
his
the
underground
power
feeds
for
his
house
too.
H
So
these
are
things
to
take
into
consideration,
but
I
have
not
seen
one
stone
wall
in
any
of
my
travels
around
the
neighborhood.
That
goes
all
the
way
out
to
the
curb,
and
I
would
like
it's
I'd
like
to
see
the
stonewall
stop
at
the
marker
and
I'd
like
to
propose
that
for
your
consideration,
the
as
far
as
is
the
la
francis
being
able
to
keep
the
stone
markers
uncovered
as
long
as
they
can
do
that
I
wanted
several
inches
put
in
between
the
edges
of
those
stone
markers.
E
H
B
Around
could
I
comment
with
that
on
that
that
stone
wall
to
the
curbs
you
may
I
own
another
property
on
30
pearl
street,
and
I
built
two
stone
walls
there
and
they're
both
to
the
curb
and
if
you
look
further
up
on
cliff
street,
the
people
that
just
bought
a
new
house
up
there
they've
just
got
stone
walls
as
well,
and
it
really
doesn't
hurt
anything
and
then
the
other
from
the
curb
that
can
be
moved
at
any
time.
Stones
can
be
moved
just
like
anything
else,
they're
less
permanent
than
a
tree.
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C
J
E
I
am
of
the
same
milk.
I
mean
the
the
reference
to
the
lines.
That's
not
really
our
concern.
Our
our
concern
is
entirely
different
and
I
was
trying
to
pull
up
pictures
of
other
properties
where
structures
went
through
right
away,
and
you
know
even
to
the
neighbor's
comment.
I
think
he
said
his
own
porch
was
in
the
right
of
way,
so
I
don't
really
have
an
issue
with
with
a
stonewall
at
all.
I
think
that
it
will
probably
be
a
nice
addition.
C
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L
Okay,
that's
fine
thanks
for
introduction,
chris!
Yes,
my
name
is
dan
grace.
Thank
you
very
much
for
taking
the
time
here,
I
am
sort
of
a
prospective
buyer
with
17
gravel.
So
this
is
this
is
before
pre-application
boatering
on
pre-everything
I
was
given
basically
three
weeks
concluding
next
week,
a
period
of
some
due
diligence,
architectural
review.
L
L
L
We
got
the
results
back
from
that
and
that
was
largely
a
sort
of
a
state
of
disrepair
from
from
structural
in
the
basement,
all
the
way
to
really
all
the
mechanicals
end
of
useful
life
windows,
et
cetera,
et
cetera
so,
and
some
rot
and
blah
blah
blah.
So
that's
probably
not
unusual
for
you
guys,
given
the
historical
nature
of
everything.
L
So
so
that's
where
I
am
and
then
a
few
other
elements
come
into
play,
I'm
just
gonna.
Let
let
chris
sort
of
you
know
run
through
a
presentation,
I'm
not
sure
what
level
of
of
confidence
I
can
get.
You
know
this
quickly
or
or
or
tonight,
but
but
hopefully,
if
nothing
else,
I've
met
you
all,
and
if
I
do
this
again,
then
then
maybe
we'll
we'll
meet
again
but
chris.
If
you
can
hear
me
here,
you
wonder
why
you
can
kick
off
from
your
side
and
go
from
there.
Thank
you.
E
C
I
I
You
know
50
000
foot
view
ideas
answered
to
help.
Mr
grace,
you
know
in
his
confidence
of
of
moving
forward
with
the
property
or
not,
and
I
think
we
also
realize
that
we
may
not
be
able
to
answer
some
questions
tonight,
but
even
if
there
was
sort
of
a
temperature
indication
of
of
possibility
or
not,
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
to
mr
grace
so
again.
17
gravel
street.
I
I
and
the
the
property
is
actually
the
red
box.
It's
not
the
the
red
dot
to
the
north,
so
we
have
not
taken
on
any
survey
work
yet
so
we
do
not
have
an
elevation
certificate
so
we're
we're
trying
to
ballpark
an
idea
where
we're
at
so
this
is
from
the
groton
gis
website
and
turning
on
the
topography
shows
there's
a
spot
elevation
of
6.91
in
the
backyard
17
is
in
the
middle
of
the
sheet
here.
I
So
if,
if
that's
a
6.91,
we
can
roughly
assume
grade
around
the
house
is
elevation
7.
and
I'm
just
going
to
sort
of
follow
the
math
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
sheet
here
with
grade
b
and
elevation
7
the
floor
is,
is
probably
approximately
18
inches
above
grade,
so
that
means
existing
floors
about
elevation,
8.5
and
again
we're
in
a
fema
flood
zone.
Ae
11..
I
Given
that
there's
a
question
to
the
commission
about,
can
we
raise
the
house
from
8.5
to
12
in
order
to
comply
with
fema
flood
zone
regulations
and
requirements
that
would
likely
need
a
new
foundation,
a
new
concrete
foundation
which
we
could
likely
face
with
a
granite
material
in
order
to
keep
a
historic
appearance
to
it?
Much
like
the
foundation
now
so.
C
I
C
So
I
think
his
eric's
point
is
is
well
taken.
It's
and
you
obviously
probably
can't
show
us
that
now,
but
how
you
treat
the
foundation
right
in
terms
of
you
know,
isomo's,
lessening
the
effect
of
the
race
of
an
existing
house.
You
pointed
out
that
the
house
is
at
the
moment
it's
it's
overshadowed
by
its
budding
neighbors
in
terms
of
overall
height.
So
I
don't
think
that's
so
much
an
issue.
It's
more
just
you
know.
What's
it
look
like
from
the
street.
I
I
Okay,
the
second
item
here
is
things
that
may
or
maybe
we
cannot
do
to
the
house
and
I'd
like
to
just
go
through
these
quickly
and
then
see
what
your
reaction
might
be
to.
Yes,
we
could
do
those,
no,
we
couldn't,
or
you
know
it's
a
possibility
with
an
appropriate
design
so
start
with
these
bays
on
the
front
here
on
the
first
story,
they
are
in
addition
to
the
house.
At
some
point
you
know,
the
main
house
is
is
a
cape,
and
so
could
these
bays
be
removed?
I
I
I
Fourth
item
is
adding
up
the
possibility
of
a
porch
to
the
front
of
the
house,
as
you
can
see,
there's
a
porch
on
the
side
and
we
continue
that
same
language
to
the
front
of
the
house.
Using
the
same
round,
columns
and
and
detail
there
there's
an
idea
of
possibly
raising
the
roof,
maybe
a
foot
to
provide
a
little
more
room
inside
or
possibly
incrementally
raising
the
pitch
of
the
roof
slightly
to
match:
neighboring
properties,
straightening,
the
sagging
ridge.
I
I
C
C
I
mean,
if
you
remo,
if
you
remove
the
the
base
which,
in
my
personal
opinion,
are
a
little
bit
overdone
anyway
in
terms
of
scale
to
the
rest
of
the
house,
but
you're
basically
talking
about
re-sculpting
it
and
redefining
the
street
appearance.
And
so
when
you
talk
about
dormers,
I
mean
I
I
get
that.
But
if
you're
talking
about
a
shed
dormer
for
example,
I
would
say
I
don't
think
I
get
too
far
with
something
like
that
because
it
would
be.
C
I
I
Maybe
there
is
a
nantucket
style,
dormer
up
front
which
exists
in
the
neighborhood,
but
I
think
in
all
cases
the
intent
would
be
something
that's
appropriate,
something
that's
in
the
neighborhood,
something
that
fits
in,
and
I
think
you
know
some
of
these
questions
go
back
to
sort
of
defining
the
essence
of
the
house.
Being
you
know
a
cape,
a
simple
cape
at
its
core
and
and
getting
back
to
some
of
that
with
you
know
these
later
editions
that
were
put
on
like
the
bay
windows.
I
C
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
that.
I
think
as
far
as
the
shed
door,
what
I
said
before
I
mean
I
don't
have
a
big
objection
to
the
the
proposed
shed
dormer,
that's
flanked
by
the
two
gable
ended
dormers.
I
was
more
concerned
about
a
flat
straight
shed
dormer
and
what
that
might
look
like.
J
E
I
I'm
of
the
same
opinion
of
as
todd
and
eric
in
the
sense
that
you
know
I
wouldn't
say
no,
you
can't
do
that.
Don't
touch
that
building,
but
it's
it's
hard
to
say.
Yes,
go
ahead,
buy
it
because
I
know
that's
what
you're
up
against
you
know.
Your
due
diligence
period
expires
in
a
week
saying
without
knowing
what
it
is
that
you're
that
you're
actually
proposing.
J
Over
the
last
probably
200
years
so
right,
wouldn't
you
know,
as
opposed
to
like
the
house,
to
the
left
of
the
house
to
the
right
or
the
house
to
the
left.
I
mean
it's
not
like
you've.
You
know
have
this
classic
design.
You've
got
a
lot
of
stuff
going
on
that
wasn't
original,
so
you
know
more
so
yes
than
no
is
what
I'm
okay
yeah.
C
C
Yeah-
and
I
also
think
that
when
we
look
at
redesigns
like
this
or
when
we
get
applications
for
more
windows
and
whatever
we
a
lot
of
it's
in
recognition
of
the
fact
that
when
a
lot
of
these
houses
were
built,
you
know
what
you
saw
out.
Your
front
window
wasn't
a
significant
concern
or
something
that
was
highly
desired
as
it
is
today,
for
whatever
reason.
D
L
L
I
think
primarily
because
of
the
vegetation
that's
around
them,
I
I
do
have
pictures
that
could
be
shared
or
even
the
inspection
or
whatever,
but
so
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
work
there
anyway,
you
know
just
sort
of-
and
I
completely
agree
that
the
the
proportion
of
those
was
was
frankly.
The
first
reason
that
I'm
like
geez
can
we
do
something
with
these
and
then
things
just
kept
getting
added
to
it,
and
this
was
no
good,
and
this
was
no
good.
So
so
that
was
a
I'm
like.
L
Well,
you
know
I'm
not
going
to
be.
You
know
I
can
still.
You
know,
maintain
the
theme
of
everything,
but
not
everything,
but
maintain
the
theme
of
the
bay
windows
anyway.
Maybe
if
they're
shallower
that
would
that
would
still
work
on
the
board.
Just
looking
for
that
effect,
so
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
note.
The
the
condition
of
those
is
is
not
very
good
either,
including
the
roof
of
them.
So.
C
Yeah
but
technically
speaking,
the
condition
of
them
is
is
kind
of
irrelevant
to
us.
That
just
is
what
it
is,
but,
as
I
look
again
at
the
front
of
this
house,
you
know
the
little
gingerbread
bread.
You
know
porch
thing
over
the
front
door.
Is
it
kind
of
sticks
out
like
a
sore
thumb?
No,
where
does
that
come
from
right,
yeah?
It
doesn't
belong
with
the
rest
of
the
house
and.
L
I
Well,
you
know
I'm
highly
confident
with
my
partners.
Bob
mercer
and
bill
burchie
have
been
practicing
in
the
area
of
35
years
and
have
done
plenty
of
homes
in
the
historic
district
that
we
could
get
a
design.
That's
sympathetic
with
everyone,
you
know,
and
especially
the
commission,
so
I
I
feel
good
about
feedback
dan.
Any
any
additional
comment.
There.
L
I
This
is
a
project
in
the
stonington
borough,
where
we
did
the
intent
here
and
what
we
did
was
documented
the
existing
house.
This
was
approved
by
the
stonington
borough,
historic
commission
and
to
be
rebuilt
from
the
inside
out
and
when
we
got
into
construction,
it
ended
up
that
there
was
literally
nothing
to
save
in
the
in
the
existing
house.
It
was
so
cobbled
together,
rotten,
undersized
members
structurally
deficient.
I
Do
a
brand
new
compliant
foundation
and
rebuild
the
structure
new
with
new
construction
to
match
the
documented
home
so
that
it's
fema
compliant
building
code
compliant
high
wind
compliant
because
it's
on
the
water,
and
so
this
is
an
example
of
the
process.
You
know
the
images
up
top
are
the
original
home.
The
images
on
the
bottom
are
the
new
and
you
can
even
see
on
the
foundation
on
the
bottom
images,
especially
the
one
on
the
right.
I
We
captured
the
stones
from
the
old
foundation
and
had
them
sawn
in
half
and
then
applied
to
the
new
foundation
so
that
it's
the
same
exact
detail
and
so
a
question
of.
Could
we
could
we
consider
something
like
that
for
this
house,
if
we're
doing
new
foundation,
raising
it
from
elevation
8.5
to
12,
rebuilding
and
having
to
repair?
I
C
J
Yeah
to
todd's
point
I
think
I
would
agree
and
having
done
a
lot
of
historic
homes
in
the
town
you're
either
gonna
find
some
great
stuff
or
you're
gonna
find
junk,
and
you
know
that
house
probably
you're
gonna
find
the
latter,
but
if
you
could
do
that,
I
just
would
say
come
with
a
plan.
That's
similar.
If
you're
gonna
take
the
cape
down,
you
know
go
back
with
a
cape.
I
No,
I
I
think
in
all
cases
and
that's
a
that's,
a
fair
observation,
but
I
think
in
all
cases
we
all
agree
that
we
have
to
honor
the
essence
of
of
the
cape,
the
core
of
the
house.
That's
there
now,
which
is
a
cape
and
then
you
know,
consider
those
design,
modifications
you
know,
removing
the
bays
or
rebuilding
the
bays
differently.
C
F
C
I
I
G
I
I
I
M
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
good?
No,
I
think
chris
did
a
very
good
job,
a
it
is
exactly
to
an
inch
the
same
height
as
when
we
started,
and
that
was
the
whole
premise
that
we
were.
We
were
exactly
replacing
and
you've
seen
our
types
of
drawings
before
we
even
start
designing.
We
document
the
existing
house
and
we
had
documented
all
the
corner
boards
and
trim
and
whatever.
So
we
were
able
to
go
to
the
commission,
the
zoning
board
in
stonington
and
say
this
is
documented.
M
It
will
go
back
exactly
like
we're
taking
it
down
and
they
they
were
pleased
with
us
doing
that.
Actually,
the
windows
are
bigger,
but
as
we
got
all
the
framing,
because
we
could
never
see
under
all
the
plaster,
but
when
we,
when
we
cut
it
out
the
house,
the
original
windows
were
as
big
as
were
shown
in
220.,
the
short
ones
pre-existed,
where
some
vinyl
windows
somebody
put
in
along
the
way
it
just
kept
covering
up
their
scenes.
M
You
know
this
is
a
little
unusual
and
I've
been
doing
historic
houses
for
a
long
time-
and
I
said
you
know
if
we're
gonna
make.
I
live
here
in
in
in
mystic
1830s
house,
and
you
know
to
maintain
our
inventory
it
sometimes
you
gotta,
you
know
we
gotta
put
this
all
back
together,
it's
just
not
a
matter
of
going
in
and
putting
in
sister
joists
and
doing
the
floors
and
the
sagging
roofs.
M
And
if
we're
going
to
have
this
last
for
another
100
years,
we're
going
to
run
into
a
few
projects,
it's
actually
better
to
take
the
essence
of
the
core
of
the
well
more
than
the
essex,
take
the
core
design
and
reestablish
it,
and
with
the
flood
danger
down
there.
I
I
just
how
can
you
say,
go
ahead
and
put
in
a
million
dollars
of
renovation,
then
hurricane
sandy,
who
comes
by
and
it's
all
flooded
out
again
yeah,
so
we're
dealing
with
two
things
here:
the
condition
the
existing
house
and
and
the
flood
zone.
J
D
I
I
I
L
No
thank
you
again
yeah.
I
do
think
we've
had
some
some
level
of
of
confidence
here.
Just
I
mean
this
isn't
happening
tomorrow
tomorrow,
anyway,
there's
a
lot
in
the
way,
but
you
know
there's
flexibility
on
our
side
too.
We
we
get
it.
I
guess
would
be
the
right
way
to
put
it
so,
with
certain
elements
of
it,
you
know
capturing
the
essence,
all
that
I'm
I'm
all
for
that
part
of
it.