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From YouTube: Groton Historic District Commission 11/17/20
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Groton, Connecticut municipal meeting: Historic District Commission November 17, 2020. Click on the link below to view the agenda.
https://www.agendasuite.org/iip/groton/file/getfile/46377
C
A
E
So
who
who's
who's
here
tonight.
F
B
E
G
A
G
I
walked
in
about
five
minutes
ago,
so
I'm
rudely
eating
dinner.
While
I'm
doing
this.
A
A
All
right
I'll
start
off
with
the
beginning
of
the
meeting.
Okay,
this
meeting
of
the
historic
district
commission
will
take
place
in
a
webinar
format
through
zoom.
The
chair
of
the
commission
is
sarah
moriarty.
The
host
of
the
webinar
is
building
officials
staff
attending
this
meeting
include
peters
of
english
and
linda
galetta.
A
A
After
a
panelist
raises
their
hand,
they
will
be
able
to
comment
one
at
a
time
when
called
upon
by
the
chairperson
panelists
should
mute.
The
microphones
until
call
the
phone
panelists
calling
into
the
meeting
by
telephone
may
raise
or
lower
their
hand,
by
pressing
star
9
to
mute
or
unmute.
Your
call
press
star
6.
A
A
The
public
will
be
asked
to
raise
their
hand
during
public
communications
if
they
want
to
speak
at
this
time
by
using
the
icon
to
raise
hand
at
the
bottom
of
the
screen,
and
the
public
will
be
called
upon
by
the
host
one
at
a
time
and
be
able
to
speak
during
this
time.
Attendees
must
identify
themselves
before
speaking.
C
A
E
Yeah
yep
yep
betsy
betty
mccaucher.
H
Yeah,
I'm
going
to
read
the
public.
H
A
H
H
Yeah,
I'm
going
to
read
the
public
notice
of
hearing
dear
michelle.
Please
publish
the
following
public
notice
for
one
insertion
on
monday
november,
9th
2020
count
of
ground
notice
of
public
hearing
historic
district
commission.
Historic
district
commission
will
hold
a
public
hearing
on
tuesday
november
17th
2020
at
7
pm,
virtually
via
the
zoom
platform,
to
hear
the
following
applications
requesting
the
certificate
of
appropriateness,
htc,
20-68-15
library,
street
peter
heard
owner
applicant.
C
H
Okay,
okay,
htc
20-68-15
library,
street
peter
heard:
are
you
here
peter?
Yes,
I'm
here
yep?
Okay,
so
why
don't
you
just
go
through
your
proposal
as
though
you've
never
been
here
before?
Okay,
your
public
hearing?
So
what
you
said
before,
if
the
preliminary
didn't
know
you
will.
I
Do
okay
good
evening,
everyone,
my
name
is
peter
heard,
I'm
calling
in
from
manchester
about
eight
weeks
ago
we
became
the
owners
of
15
library
street
and
we're
going
to
be
going
through
some
interior
renovations
this
winter.
But
the
scope
of
the
work
for
this
application
is
exterior
related
and
for
the
removal
of
two
excuse
me,
two
fences.
I
What
we're
looking
to
do
is
to
remove
the
rotted
fence.
That's
along
roughly
90
feet
on
the
west
side
of
the
driveway
along
the
property
edge,
and
the
purpose
of
this
is
to
access
and
remove
the
vegetation,
that's
growing
between
the
fence
and
the
concrete
wall
that
runs
along
the
property
line.
I
I'm
guessing
that
the
fence
is,
I
don't
know
25
30
years
old.
I
don't
believe
it
has
any
historical
significance
and
it's
largely
hidden
from
public
view.
It's
perpendicular
to
both
route,
1
and
library
street.
As
I
said,
behind
the
fence
is
a
concrete
wall
that
you
probably
all
know
about.
It
separates
our
property
from
the
house,
that's
being
renovated
next
door
and
in
the
spring,
what
we'll
want
to
do
is
do
something
there
we're
not
quite
sure
what
we'll
look.
I
Certainly
for
your
guidance
on
that,
but
we're
gonna
re-grade
the
driveway
a
little
bit
add
some
gravel
to
level
the
ditch,
that's
behind
the
fence
between
the
fence
and
the
concrete
wall,
and
really
what
we
want
is
you
know
we
may
put
in
a
new
fence
there,
but
we
want
a
few
winter
months
to
kind
of
visualize.
You
know
what
the
heck
we're
going
to
do
there
in
the
future.
I
Again.
The
main
purpose
now
is
to
get
the
vegetation
down.
It's
overgrowing,
the
house,
it's
you
know,
you
know
filling
the
gutters
and
so
forth.
So
and
the
fence
is
rotted
anyway.
I
think
it
needs
to
come
down
regardless.
I
I
It
certainly
is
in
better
condition,
but
I
think
at
six
feet
it's
out
of
character
for
for
the
neighborhood,
and
what
we
want
to
do
is
to
take
that
down
plant
our
provides
along
route,
one
and
then
possibly
around.
You
know
around
the
corner,
lining
the
driveway
again,
not
quite
sure
what
we're
going
to
do
there.
We
understand
that
route
1
is
scheduled
to
be
be
done
there
in
2021
or
22.
I
I
think
some
trees
are
being
taken
down
and
the
jersey
barrier
is
there,
so
we're
not
sure
if
that's
gonna
come
on
to
the
sidewalk
property
or
or
whatever,
but
you
know
we'll
obviously
come
back
to
you.
If,
if
we
put
up
the
new
fence
there,
four
foot
pencil
on
group
one
so
that's
that's
it
kind
of,
in
a
nutshell,
glad
to
answer
questions.
I
It
is
wood,
it's
a
picket
fence.
It
has
it's
kind
of
strange.
It's
four
foot
square
metal
posts
with
wood
in
between
it's
a
it's,
a
heavy
duty
fence.
I
don't
know
when
it
was
installed.
You
know,
I
don't
know
if
they
came
before
this
commission
before
whatever,
but
in
the
materials.
I'm
reading
a
six-foot
fence
isn't
great
there
and
you
know-
and
I
I
think
our
our
bias
is
probably
to
put
up
a
four-foot
picket
fence
where
that
one
is
now,
but
do
that
in
the
spring.
I
That
those
are
the
you
know,
that's
obviously
the
one
on
the
left
on
the
right
hand,
picture
the
left
hand
fence
is
the
forefoot
and
the
in
the
concrete
walls
to
the
left
of
that
to
the
on
the
right
of
that
picture.
Is
that
six
foot
fence
coming
from
the
house
turns
the
corner
goes
down
route
one,
I
think
a
couple
of
slides
later
you
can
see
the
route
one
view
of
that.
C
E
I
Well,
I'm
not
asking
to
replace
at
this
point,
but
you
know
in
the
spring
well
what
my
purpose
of
doing
it
now
is.
We
want
to
get
the
arbor
vitaes
in
you
know.
I
know
it's
the
tail
end
of
the
growing
season,
but
I
think
there's
still
time
to
get
the
arbor
vitae
in
now,
but
we've
planted
the
ones
already
there
about
seven
or
eight
feet
back
from
the
sidewalk.
So
we've
left
a
lot
of
room
to
put
a
fence
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
arbor
biters.
I
H
H
H
H
C
H
H
So
you
have
an
application
here
to
replace
windows,
and
so
what
you
have
to
do
now
is
you
have
to
tell
us
what
you
intend
to
do
the
scope
of
the
application
and
it
will
scroll
through
your
your
submission,
while
you're
explaining
what
you're
going
to
do.
D
Okay,
we
are
in
the
process
of
hiring
rings
and
window
replacements.
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
we're
prepared
where
want
to
replace
21
windows
in
the
front
of
the
house
and
side
of
the
house.
The
back
is
bit
was
done
in
19,
I
mean
2005
when
they
put
an
addition
on
the
house
and
these.
D
The
original
windows
are
the
windows
we
want
to
replace
we're
want
to
put
in
replacement
windows,
because
we
don't
want
to
tear
any
of
the
trim
inside
the
house
apart,
because
we
had
a
problem
when
we
did
some
flooring,
they
broke
a
piece
of
trim
and
it
was
you
couldn't
replace
it.
D
D
H
D
D
H
H
Don't
some
of
the
windows
have
a
vertical
grid
on
the
upper
side
or
now
a
mutton.
D
C
D
There
are
four
panes
like
a
combination
of
four
paint:
four
windows
yeah:
they
they
looking
all
of
them
are
going
to
be
the.
H
Okay,
but
it's
just
it's
just
that
it's
a
it's
a
a
surface-applied
button
or
it's
a
it's,
not
exactly
like
the
old
window,
but
we.
H
G
H
H
H
K
Sorry,
I
can't
hear
I'm
not
sure
I'm
hearing
so
there's
a
back
section
of
it,
which
is
10
by
20.
we're
going
and
it's
short,
it's
shorter
than
the
red
rod.
K
K
And
that's
the
view
from
west
mystic,
which
you
can't
see
unless
you're
standing
on
the
sidewalk
looking
back
and
that's
the
view,
would
it
would
be
from
west
mystic
if
the
bushes
weren't
there?
That
would
be
the
view.
So
the
back
part
is
a
little
shorter
than
the
front.
We
want
to
raise
it
up
three
feet
to
meet
to
be
the
same
height
as
the
main
garage
and
replace
the
doors
and.
K
Windows
so
there's
a
single
door
in
the
back
section
right
now,
which
isn't
glass,
so
we
want
to
replace
it
with
french
doors.
The
window
there
is
original.
I
think
the
garage
is
built
in
like
the
20s
or
30s,
but
the
house
is
1874.,
so
it's
it's
newer
than
the
house,
but
it's
an
original
window,
so
it
just
needs
replacing
with
better
insulated
windows
and
we're
going
to
make
the
door
glass
and
the
garage
doors
were
actually
replacing,
with
with
garage
doors
that
aren't
going
to
function.
K
Will
be
actually
more
period
than
the
current
garage
doors.
H
K
E
D
C
D
C
K
K
C
K
G
C
K
Yeah,
so
the
entry
door
right
now,
which
is
in
the
picture
on
the
left,
is
solid
wood
right
now,
but
we're
going
to
replace
it
with
the
door
with
the
that
divided
light
right,
which
will
be
exactly
the
same
as
the
windows,
and
I
mean
exactly.
I
mean
in
this
sort
of
two
over
two
look
and
simulate
a
divided.
K
K
F
K
Yeah
they're
going
to
do
that
on
the
inside
yeah,
because
right
now
it's
just
open.
You
know
the
wood
open
wood
on
the
inside,
so
they're
going
to
insulate
it
and
put.
F
K
Are
we
doing
the
faux
garage
doors
because
no
that'll,
that's
all
just
the
wood
siding
which
will
stay
the
same
in
the
back,
where
we're
raising
it
we're
just
gonna
copy
the
same
wood,
siding
and
paint
it
the
same.
We
we
painted
it
since
we've
moved
in
so
we
it'll
just
all.
K
Match
and
then
the
roof
is
just
you
know,
shingle,
not
old,
you
know
so
that's
easy
to
match.
K
B
H
Okay,
so
now
we'll
we'll
go
to
consideration
of
the
applications.
The
first
application
is
htc.
C
H
H
H
Eric
move
to
approve,
we
have
a
second,
a
second
still
ferguson
seconds.
Any
other
comments.
No
okay!
So
we'll
have
a
vote
and
we'll
I'll
do
a
roll
call
for
the
boat
don
levinson
in
favor,
phil
ferguson
in
favor,
eric
goodman,
hi,
todd
brady,
all
right.
Okay,
the
the
application
is
approved,
htc
20-70
for
thomas
street,
charles
and
lorraine
owner's
applicants.
This
is
the
application
to
replace
a
series
of
windows
in
this
house
with
like
windows.
B
H
All
right
and
so
we'll
take
a
roll
called
don
levinson
aye
bill
ferguson,
aye,
goodman,
aye,
todd,
brady,
hi.
Okay,
the
application
is
approved,
htc
20-71,
31,
new
london,
road
victoria
finale,
it's
an
application
to
take
an
existing
garage
and
turn
it
into
a
living
space,
including
renovations
to
the
rear
section
of
the
garage
and
replacement
of
pretty
much
all
the
windows.
H
E
H
C
H
H
Arrow
kid:
yeah:
okay,
we'll
have
a
roll
call,
don
levinson
bill;
ferguson,
hi,
eric
goodman,
hi,
hi,
brady,
hi;
okay,
the
minutes
on
the
october
20th
meeting
our
proof.
F
H
Bill
ferguson
approved
equipment,
not
breeding
all
right
all
right.
The
minutes
of
the
special
meeting
are
approved
old
business,
29,
gravel
street
bob
mercer,
I
guess,
is.
H
F
C
H
October
19
2020.,
linda
sorry,
this
is
taking
me
so
long
to
get
this
in
the
file
for
29
gravel
street.
The
ahmad
ahmed
please
find
attach
the
approved
garage
door
style
and
the
substituted
garage
door
style.
This
change
was
handled
administratively
at
the
last
htc
meeting.
The
first
image
with
the
glass
panels
was
the
one
that
was
approved
in
the
second
image
is
now
being
used
drop.
The
is
so
this
is.
A
J
I
know
it's
not
dealing
with
this,
I'm
with
mark
kamau
and
he's
supposed
to
present
a
project.
I
believe
he
asked
me
to
ask
about
it.
J
He's
on
his
way
to
the
meeting
he
should
be
in
any
moment,
but
I
just
wanted
to
bring
it
up
and
alert.
You.
J
This
is
for
broadway,
it's
gonna
be
station.
One
hotel.
J
J
J
Yes
for
perry,
lorenz's
house-
sorry,
my
apologies.
A
C
A
Might
as
well
so
we
were
working
on
changing
the
application
to
make
it
a
little
bit
more.
J
A
A
A
A
lot
of
this
was
already
in
our
normal
packet.
The
changes
we
were
making
specifically
we're
dealing
with
incorporating
the
pre-application
meeting
as
an
informal
session
held
by
the
htc
commission
with
an
applicant
prior
to
submission
for
the
formal
application.
The
meeting
is
optional
is
highly
recommended,
as
it
provides
an
opportunity
to
review
it
for
the
commission,
and
then
we
incorporated
this.
H
They're
all
gone
so
if,
by
by
having
this
document
here
and
the
checklist,
then
tom
will
be
able
to
see
that
everything
that
has
to
be
in
the
application
will
be
in
the
application.
E
A
E
A
H
All
right
so
so
is
it
see
if
it
works
now
correct
me
if
I'm
wrongly,
if
you're
still
there
somewhere.
If
someone
wants
to
go
on
the
agenda
for
the
next
public
hcc
meeting,
assuming
that
it's
two
weeks
from
today
just
and
discussion
safe,
they
typically
have
to
get
all
their
information
right
now.
Their
application.
H
My
question
is:
if
someone
comes
to
linda
tomorrow
with
an
application
to
the
hdc
hoping
to
get
on
the
agenda
two
weeks,
hence
can
linda
publish
notice
of
the
public
hearing,
or
does
she
have
to
get
a
sign
off
by
tom
before
she
can
do
that.
H
A
No,
you
guys
would
make
the
determination
on
that.
If
they
go
to
the
pre-application
meeting-
and
you
guys
are
you
feel
that
they
have
it
we're
going
to
have
you
guys,
basically
at
the
meeting,
say
that
everything
is
adequate
for
submittal,
okay
and
then
they'll
be
able
to
submit
it
on
wednesday
and
then
it'll
be
put
on
the
next
agenda.
H
But
what
might
more
likely
happen?
Is
someone
comes
in
with
a
pre-application
hearing
and
a
lot
of
times,
they're,
not
totally
prepared
would
say
they
might
have
eighty
percent
of
what
they
need,
then
tell
those
people
look
if
you
want
to
go
to
a
public
hearing
two
weeks.
Hence
you
must
get
the
other
items
that
we
determine
you
need
to
by
tomorrow,
tom
santorini,
by
the
next
day.
A
F
A
A
A
It
will
force
people
to
have
their
stuff
together
before
they're,
actually
going
before
for
a
public
hearing,
because
we're
running
into
a
problem
with
these,
with
these
meetings
of
people
coming
in
and
they're
rushing
to
get
everything
in
last
minute
and
then
they're
not
getting
it
in
on
time,
they're
missing,
something
then
everybody's
trying
to
accommodate
them
and
then
we're
getting
into
the
meeting
and
it's
not
running
smoothly
because
they're
missing
parts
and
they
got
to
get
continued
to
the
next
meeting,
which
they're
being
continued
anyway.
At
that
point,.
H
I
I
hear
you
and
I
realize
that,
but
I,
but
I
I
also
know
that
when
you're
going
to
get
a
building,
permit
or
you're
going
to
do
something-
and
you
are
anxious
for
whatever
reason
to
get
going-
that
this
is
probably
going
to
extend
the
approval
process
before
the
hdc
by
a
month.
G
G
C
H
A
H
F
Where
you
have
the
bold,
when
you
say
wish
to
accelerate
your
epic,
are
you
really
saying
if
you
wish
to
skip
the
pre-application
meeting.
A
You
should
change
that
you
you
would
not
have
to.
You
would
be
able
to
go
if
you
wish
to
accelerate
your
application
request,
be
included
in
the
next
regular
schedule,
meeting
conte
a
meeting
contact
staff
and
he
will
discuss
this
option.
So
he
will
discuss
if
you're
ready
to
jump
on
without
having
a
pre-application
meeting.
G
G
A
F
Otherwise,
I
I
like
it
because
it's
people
get
frustrated
both
ways.
We
get
frustrated,
they
don't
have
the
stuff
they
get
frustrated
because
they
think
we're
being
picky
and
asking
for
something.
That's
obvious.
You
know,
and
this
hopefully
will
avoid
a
lot
of
that
and
then
you
know
it's
trial
there
we'll
see
how
it
goes.
You
know
forget
problems.
A
F
L
C
A
L
Okay,
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen.
You
cannot
start
screen
while
another
applicant
is
sharing.
F
L
Go
okay,
so
I'm
here
representing
perry,
lorenz
in
11
fort
rachel
place.
Last
time
I
was
here,
oh
hold
on.
L
So
I
had
presented
elevations
in
cad
of
the
proposed
property
and
I
had
expressed
how
we
were
using
very
a
very
clean,
clean
way
of
expressing
very
typical,
more
federal
kind
of
details,
and
you
know
modern
farmhouse
architecture
on
this
structure.
It
kind
of
navigates
over
four
four
different
levels
of
plane
to
get
from
the
lower
area,
at
approximately
elevation
28
up
to
elevation,
55.
L
and
in
in
listening
to.
I
know
eric
had
concerns,
which
I
I
believe
were
just
the
nature
of
the
cad
drawings.
I
mean
wide
pileaster
corners,
typical,
traditional
roof,
metal,
roofing,
standing,
seam,
metal,
clabbered,
siding
double
hung
windows.
L
I
don't
know
where
we
can
really
go
too
wrong
with
with
those
elements
I
I
figured
that
the
cad
was
was
a
lot
of
the
culprit
there.
So
what
I
did
was
I
developed
a
a
hand-drawn
rendering
that
really
more
represents
what's
in
my
mind's
eyes.
So
this
is
that
east
elevation
as
board
drafted.
L
I'm
not
sure
my
students
know
what
that
means,
but
this
is
board
drafted,
and
this
really
represents
more
of
the
of
the
texture
and
the
and
the
softness
that
the
elevations
would
take
on,
and
this
is
the
east
facade,
which
was
which
I
consider
the
most
important.
It's
the
river
view
facade,
which
you
would
see
more
of
because
the
other
ones
are
mostly
kind
of
engulfed
in
either
elevation
change
or
or
vegetation.
L
L
But
but
you
know
that
that's
what
they
would
have
done
a
hundred
years
ago
and
I'm
looking
to
to
do
more
of
an
abstraction
of
the
elements
that
truly
are
the
creator
of
the
forms
of
mystic
and
kind
of
move,
move
the
dialogue
a
little
further
and
then,
within
that
we've
got
the
expressions
of
the
fenestration
double
hung
windows
kind
of
a
charcoal
frame,
as
you
see
on
on
the
bravo.
L
Bravo
building,
but
I've
broken
up
in
between
them
with
a
with
it,
with
a
vertical
wide
plank
shiplap
a
plowed
groove.
Instead,
it's
a
subtle
detail
that,
of
course,
if
you,
if
you
know
what
shiplap
is
you
it's
only
in
the
very
thin
shadow
that
you
see
any
detail,
but
here
I
drafted
it
and,
of
course
it
shows
up
like
like
a
yankee
pinstripe
where
you,
you
would
hardly
really
ever
see
that
you
would
probably
hardly
even
know
the
difference
between
this
surface
and
this
surface.
To
tell
you
the
truth.
L
Only
when
the
sun
hits
it
a
certain
way,
will
you
see
any
of
the
shadows
kind
of
communicating
that
a
a
light,
charcoal
standing,
seam
metal
roof,
as
you
can
see,
and
and
stone
work
that
kind
of
helps
navigate
the
you
know,
the
the
the
walkway
from
pat
from
terrace
to
terrace
from
the
lower
level
where
you,
where
we
have
a
garage,
that
kind
of
sticks
out
a
little
bit,
we're
going
to
cover
in
stone
local
stone
with
a
standing,
seam
roof
and
then
a
a
stone
walkway.
L
That
makes
its
way
up
to
the
main
terrace
here
and
then
up
to
the
to
the
main
terrace
on
the
top
part
as
well
we're
working
on
and
we'll
have
ready
for
the
public
hearing,
3d
renderings
done
in
revit
of
the
structure,
that's
kind
of
a
work
in
progress
and
they're
very
complicated.
L
To
do,
and
again
you
know,
with
with
the
with
the
3d
computer
generated
modeling
they're
they're
great
as
a
resource,
and
but
you
have
to
be
careful
in
looking
at
the
details
of
it,
because
they
they
don't
represent
all
the
time
what
we
can
do
by
the
hand.
So
this
I
would
let
be
the
driver.
This
is
really
what
the
architecture
is
more
going
to
look
like
I'll.
L
Just
show
you
the
progress
of
a
couple
of
the
of
the
3d
renderings,
just
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
the
sense
of
how
they're
coming
along-
and
this
is
one
of
them
we're
still
tweaking
it.
The
the
color
is-
is
pretty
much
right,
but
there's
some
roof
issues
here,
where
this
really
isn't
flat.
This
is
coming
down
in
a
different
way,
but
but
the
messing
as
you
enter
it
from
fort
rachel
place.
L
L
This
is
how
this
one's
particularly
coming
along,
but
the
basic
you
know
form
of
it,
and
you
know
it's
not
a
glass
box,
it's
it's!
Obviously
the
form
fits
within
a
lot
of
which
you
see
around
our
local
towns.
L
This
would
be
from
the
southeast
corner
this
this
green,
it's
a
very
difficult
site
to
model.
This
actually
would
drop
off
and
be
ledged
that
goes
down
to
water
street
down
here.
So
where
we
show
this
grassy
field,
it's
obviously
not
there,
but
in
the
modeling
you've
gotta,
you
know
make
do
with
what
you
with
what
you
do
when
you
come
in
from
fort
rachel
place.
L
L
That
would
be
just
a
little
bit
of
a
sandy
color,
just
to
kind
of
accentuate
itself
a
little
bit
off
the
clapboard
and
then
the
charcoal
roof,
as
you
can
see,
and
I've
got
a
third
one
here
that
more
from
the
east,
these
windows
aren't
really
right.
There's
a
there's,
a
mullion
missing
here
in
this
they're
double
hung
windows,
so
it's
double
hung.
Double
hung,
double
hung
double
hum.
L
These
are
all
double
hungs
and
then
we've
got
sliding
doors
here
with
transoms
with
muntins
above
so
so
the
models
they
they're
very
complicated
and
they
take
a
lot
to
really
put
together.
But
but
I,
but
you
all,
are
professionals
in
what
you
do,
and
I
know
that
you
can
read
into
the
progress
of
of
what
you
see
here.
H
L
Of
no
so
so
that
that's
just
a
a
function
of
of
having
to
adjust
the
model
where,
if
I
go
back
to
this,
this
is
going
to
be
a
very
typical.
You
know
eight-inch
fascia,
with
with
probably
scotia
molding
right
under
the
drip,
so
very
typical,
new
england
fascia
about
it.
We
have
a
20
inch
overhang,
which
is
going
to
give
us
a
nice
shadow
line
in
here
and
then
the
standing
c
metal
roof
goes
from
there.
H
Yep,
what
you're
going
to
clean
that
up,
if
you
do
the.
L
Oh
yeah,
yeah
yeah
it
the
cleaning
up,
is
easy.
Building
the
basic
model
and
getting
the
form
there
is
92
of
the
work
eight
percent
is
the
is
putting
the
icing
on
the
cake
and
that's
where
we're
at
right
now.
So
we
will,
you
know
we'll,
definitely
be
ready
in
two
weeks,
but
but
this
obviously
this
rendering
you
see
in
front
of
you
wasn't
done
overnight
these
hand.
Drawings
are,
are
they
takes?
They
take
a
while,
but
I,
but
I
wanted
to
produce
this.
L
I've
been
doing
this
for
30
years,
and
this
is
really
more
the
texture
and
the
expression
that
that
this
house
will
have.
So
I
really
wanted
to
pay
more
attention
to
this.
L
The
modeling
just
simply
shows
you
mass
and
shadow
and
context
a
little
bit
in
ways
that
that
you
know
that
we
can't
in
2d.
E
I'm
still
trying
to
wrap
my
head
about
the
the
vertical
ship
lathe-
and
you
said
these
this.
This
rendering
is
not
really
accurate
in
the
sense
that
the
lathe
is
a
lot
narrower.
Is
that
correct.
L
Okay,
so
that's
a
vertical
ship
lap,
and
so
those
boards
are
flush
and
there
will
be
between
the
boards,
a
3
16
inch
wide
gap.
That's
3
sixteenths
of
an
inch
deep.
So
when
I
drafted
that
with
the
pencil
it
looks
like
a
pinstripe
but
in
reality
you'll,
you
would
and
what
I
love
about
a
federal
that
you
go
to
the
borough
or
even
some
of
them
here
in
downtown
mystic.
L
Is
you
look
up
in
the
pediment
and
they
look
flush
and
when
you
get
really
close
to
them,
there's
one
right
over
on
a
gravel
street.
When
you
get
up
close,
you
see
the
ship
lap
and
it's
a
great
little
detail
that
only
the
people
that
get
close
to
these
buildings
actually
get
to
enjoy,
so
that
vertical
set
of
lines
you
see,
you're
just
really
not
going
to
see,
because
it's
only
3
16
of
an.
H
H
I
don't
know,
I
guess
they
use
the
word
contemporary,
but
in
some
respects
it
is
interpretation
and
it's
it's
a
different,
looking
kind
of
house
no
doubt
about
it.
H
G
C
C
F
G
L
If,
since
bill
ferguson
wasn't
at
the
last
meeting
correct
bill,
I
I
put
the
story
board
together
for
last
time,
and
and
this
this
I
I
thought
really
would
help
a
little
bit
in
terms
of
what
we
envisioned.
L
We
envisioned
this
a
lot
of
white,
it's
mostly
white,
the
charcoal
roof
and
the
vertical
the
vertical
theme
it.
You
know
it's
like
this,
but
in
white
you're,
just
barely
gonna
see
that
here
you
know
here,
you
can
see
on
this
part
of
the
storyboard
a
little.
You
can
see
that
groove
a
little
bit
more.
That's
an
11
and
a
quarter
inch
ship
lap
right
there,
and
you
can
really
see
it
more,
but
you
can
see
how
you
know
when
you
look
at
this
picture
here.
L
I
bet
you
can't
even
tell
that
this
area
right
here
this
area
in
on
this
house
right
here-
it's
actually
vertical
ship
lap
and
you
can't
even
see
the
vertical
grooves,
and
here
you
can
just
barely
see
the
clapboard
on
this
lower
part
right
here.
This
exis.
This
is
exactly
this
area.
Right
here
is
exactly
what
our
house
would
do.
C
H
E
It
in
this,
this
picture
is
far
in
my
mind,
not
to
sound
mean,
but
it's
far
worse,
a
presentation
because
it
accentuates
the
ship
last
so
much
that
it
it
detracts
from
the
rest
of
the
house.
So
the
most
recent
drawing
that
you
shared
the
hand,
one
that
you
shared
previously
is
yeah
that
one
is
much
more
convincing
for
lack
of
a
better
term.
G
I
think
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make,
though
you
know
as
a
member,
is
just
that
mystic
is
extremely
important
because
of
the
collection
and
the
makeup
of
the
homes.
I
mean,
if
you
read,
what's
written
about
it,
if
you
read
the
historic
district
guidebook
we're
supposed
to
follow
it's
about
following
and
keeping
in
character
with
that.
This
is
totally
different
and
I
understand
todd's
point.
I
don't
necessarily
disagree
with
todd's
point
and
I
don't
not
like
this
house.
E
That
and
that's
what
and
that's
where
I'm
like,
I
said,
I'm
eric
brady
right
now.
I
I
I'm
100
as
someone
who's
had
a
house
in
the
historic
district
commission
for
25
years.
I
am
fully
supportive
of
what
eric
just
said,
but
I
and
I
I
get
mark's
point
that
it's
so
subtle,
but
it's
I
just
just
sometimes
the
slippery
slope
opens
up.
G
I
just
think
like
mark,
in
my
opinion,
if
you
were
using
the
vertical
ship
lap
in
a
federal
style
house,
and
it
was
a
small
accent
of
it-
that
I
would
be
much
more
willing
to
agree
with
allowing
or
giving
my
vote
to
allow
that
this
you're
you're
breaking
so
many
barriers.
I
mean
down
to
the
metal
fencing,
you
know
the
metal
roof,
they're,
just
all
materials
and
all
things
that
just
aren't
used
and
aren't
around
and
look
I'm
advocating
for
change.
I
mean
obviously
like
I'm
doing
it
myself.
H
Okay,
interesting
so,
if
there,
if
there
are
no
other
comments
mark,
I
think
I
mean
you've.
Obviously
you
know
gotten
some
different
opinions
and
and
impressions
and
whatever
and-
and
I
guess
you
can
take
the
comments
for
for
what
they
are
and
then
I'd
like
to
go
forward
to
a
public
hearing
next
or
if
you
wanted
to
make
some
modifications,
you
could
do
that.
As
I
said,
I
I
I
don't
have
a
problem
or
an
issue
with
this
house
and
I
sort
of,
as
I
said,.
G
L
I
I
can
approach
my
my
my
client
with
that,
and,
and
so
you
know,
I
guess
two
two
comments
I
would
make.
I
I
struggle
with
the
same
thing
you
guys
are
as
a
as
a
member
and
former
chair
of
stonington's
design
review
board.
If
this
was
on
the
streetscape,
I
would
probably
approach
this
design
differently,
but
I
think
don
makes
a
great
point
in
that
and
I've
been
on
this
site
so
many
times
and
trying
to
analyze.
L
You
know
when
I
did
my
site
analysis.
It's
it's
just
so
elevated
you're,
like
I
said
in
the
last
a
month
ago,
stonington's
going
to
see
this
more
than
than
groton
will.
It
is
a
little
out
of
context
and
you're
really
not
going
to
see
much
of
it.
It's
very
contained
and
very
high
on
the
site
and
and,
as
you
know,
as
somebody
who
did
write
a
history
book,
you
have
regurgitating
precisely
the
the
the
elements
of
these
forms
that
we
respect.
I
I
don't
it's
not
me.
It's
not
me.
L
I
I'll
definitely
approach
my
client
and
and
and
see
what
he
thinks
about
the
roof
he's
designed
and
has
built
some
of
the
area's
most
magnificent
structures.
As
the
president,
owner
of
a
z,
corporation.
L
Yeah
yeah,
oh
and
pfizer,
and
and
lawrence
memorial
hospital
perry
has
a
great
eye
for
for
design,
but
he's
kind
of
fallen
in
love
with
the
vertical
charcoal
standing,
seam
roofs.
You
know,
I
don't
know
that
he's
married
to
the
mesh
rail
but
he's
kind
of
you
know
perry's
grown.
L
I
don't
think
he
either
wants
to
just
put
up
something
where,
oh,
my
god,
I
wonder
when
this
was
built.
I
I
don't
think
that
he
thinks
that
the
site
really
no
one's
built
there
and
it's
difficult
and
and
and
what
have
you
so
I
I'll
approach
that
with
him
and
see
what
he
thinks.
L
I
would
like
to
come
back
to
the
hearing
in
two
weeks
and
when
I
come
back,
I
guess
you'll
see
what
he
thought,
but
I'll
definitely
discuss
it
with
him
he's
you
know
he's
as
a
client,
one
of
the
more
visionary
people
I've
ever
worked
with
in
my
life.
G
G
Street,
you
know
behind
a
bunch
of
other
houses
or
if
it's
prominent,
you
know
downtown
mystic.
I
think
it's
still
still
equal
and
I
think
this
is
a
prominent
location
in
a
you
know
in
one
way
or
the
other,
and
you
know
we
made
that
very
clear,
with
eight
fort
rachel
or
whatever
it
was
with
the
garage.
So
that's
right
across
the
street,
so
you
know.
G
H
Yeah,
I
think
that's
a
little
bit
extreme.
I.
I
also
think
that
you
could
stick
a
standing,
seam
metal
roof
on
almost
any
house
in
mystic
on
the
historic
side,
and
it
would
not
be
clash
tremendously
at
all
todd.
J
H
H
H
In
my,
my
personal
opinion
is
a
far
more
attractive
roof
than
a
shingle
room,
especially
in
asphalt
channels,
which
you
see
everywhere,
but
which
you
have
asphalt,
jingle
roofs
all
over
the
historic
district
and
none
of
those
houses
had
asphalt,
jingle
roofs
on
them
when
they
were
built.
So
at
what
point
does
an
asphalt
jingle
roof
become
acceptable?
H
Any
more
than
a
standing.
Seam
metal
roof
would
not
be
acceptable
if
you
put
it
on
one
of
those
houses.
Today,
that's
my
point.
My
point
is
that
if
I
go
by
what
you're
saying
eric,
then
I
should
put
a
wood-shaped
roof
on
every
single
house
in
downtown
mystic,
because
that's
what
they
had
on
them.
In
the
first
place
it
was,
but
they
all
have
basketball
chambers
now
and
asphalt.
Shingle
roofs
in
and
of
themselves
are
not
particularly
economical.
H
G
I'm
just
going
by
what
the
guidebook
says
and
if
we're
supposed
to
follow
the
guidebook,
the
guidebook
is
encouraging
conformity.
What's
written
about
mystic
encourages
conformity,
it
constantly
talks
about
the
largest
collection
of
intact
federal
and
three
other.
Why
can't
I
talk
about
it
but
italianite
and
a
couple
other
style
homes?
So,
if
we're
trying
to
keep
this
small
area
to
conform
and
stay
in
the
same
stylistic
approach,
I
think
that
that's
what
the
historic
district
guidebook
was
trying
to
say
what
we
should
be
trying
to
achieve.
L
G
L
And-
and
you
have
to
remember
when,
when
these
italian,
when
these
sea
captains
came
back
and
built
the
italian
aids,
they
were
the
only
ones
that
had
seen
mediterranean
architecture
and
they
were
vilified
in
mystic.
They
were
vilified
in
the
borough.
They
were
vilified
in
gloucester
and
marblehead
and
westerly,
and
for
building-
oh,
my
god,
the
colonists
thought
they
were
out
of
their
mind
and
then,
as
they
started,
to
receive
books.
Because
the
printing
press
had
been
invented
from
europe
and
see
these
beautiful
designs
that
the
italians
did.
They
completely
changed
their
way.
L
And
now
everybody
wanted
one.
You
know
it's
it's
kind
of
an
ebb
and
flow
of
design
characteristics,
and
you
know
I
I
understand
what
you're
saying,
but
I
I'm
also
trying
to
look
forward,
but
with
a
wink
back
to
what
I
think
is
good
form
and
and
good
use
of
materials
and
quality
construction.
F
Yeah,
just
for
my
I
actually
like
the
metal
roof
better.
I
think
shingles
wouldn't
go
with
this
structure,
but
that's
my
opinion.
H
L
I
will
I
I'll
definitely
take
everything
into
consideration,
I'll
I'll
talk
to
perry
tomorrow
I
would
love
to
have
eric's
vote
and
everybody's
vote,
and
I'm
a
resident
here
you
know
and
and
have
a
long
career
left
to
go.
So
I'd
like
to
come
back
in
two
weeks
for
the
public
hearing.
I
was
at
the
previous
part
of
this
meeting,
so
I
know
what
I
got
to
do
for
tomorrow.
There's
a
lot
of
work
to
do
and
I'll
connect
with
linda
and
get
everything
in
well.
We
haven't.
C
L
I
would
ask
peter
if
I
was
to
to
drop
the
the
3d
renderings
in
as
a
placeholder.
Is
there
any?
Is
there
any
time
where,
like
like
at
the
here,
they're
in
as
a
placeholder,
but
then
at
the
hearing
they
think
they're
just
a
little
further
along
or
do
you
not
accept
anything
at
all.
L
A
A
H
Well-
and
I
and
I
think
you're
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
as
a
practical
matter,
if
he's
got
a
slightly
polished
up
drawn
for
the
night
of
the
hearing,.
A
H
L
L
F
Well,
I
just
want
to
thank
bill
for
volunteering.
We
appreciate
having
a
new
member
and
a
new
a
new
body,
and
we
look
forward
to
your
opinions
on
these
matters.
E
H
Hey
okay,
so
if
that's
the
case,
then
we
are
adjourned
thanks.
Everybody.