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From YouTube: Groton Historic District Commission 1/18/22
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Groton, Connecticut municipal meeting: Historic District Commission January 18, 2022. Click on the link below to view the agenda.
https://www.agendasuite.org/iip/groton/file/getfile/60624
A
All
right,
so
I
will
call
the
meeting
to
order
on
january
18th
at
709
and
I
will
seat.
Let's
see
I'll,
see
everybody
so
I'll,
see
max
furbani
and
bill
for
eric
and
john
for
don
and
then
if
todd
joins
us,
he
joins
us
and
there's
no
call
to
read.
So
we
just
have
two
continuations,
but
because
I'm
at
home
I
don't
have
the
agenda
up.
So
I'm.
B
This
meeting
historic
district
commission
will
take
place
in
webinar
format
through
zoom.
The
chair
of
the
commission
is
sarah
moriarty
hosted
the
webinars,
the
building
officials
staff
attending
this
meeting,
including
peters
of
english,
linda
galetta.
Anyone
speaking
should
state
their
names
prior
to
speaking
each
time.
B
The
panelists
in
this
webinar
meeting
will
be
the
commission
members
of
the
building
staff
panelists,
who
would
like
to
comment
on
an
item
should
indicate
such
by
using
the
icon
to
raise
hand
at
the
bottom
of
the
screen
after
a
panelist
raises
a
hand
they'll
be
able
to
comment
one
at
a
time
when
called
upon
by
the
chairperson
panelists
should
mute.
Their
microphones
until
called
upon
a
panel
is
calling
into
this
meeting
by
telephone.
B
They
raise
or
lower
their
hand
by
pressing
star
9
to
mute
or
unreal
call
for
a
star
six
to
make
a
motion.
A
second
motion.
Commission
members
can
raise
a
hand
to
be
acknowledged
by
the
host
or
chair
to
vote
on
a
motion.
Commission
members
will
be
called
upon
individually
by
the
chair
to
vote.
The
public
can
participate
in
the
meeting
during
the
public
communications
agenda
item.
B
The
public
will
be
asked
to
raise
their
hand
during
public
communications
if
they
want
to
speak
at
this
time
by
using
the
icon
to
raise
hand
at
the
bottom
of
the
screen.
The
public
will
be
called
upon
by
the
host
one
at
a
time
and
will
be
able
to
speak
during
this
time.
Attendees
must
identify
themselves
before
speaking.
C
A
B
B
E
A
A
A
A
A
A
B
F
B
F
Happening
of
the
building
was
the
best
possible
solution
and
providing
access
to
it
from
the
second
level,
dining
room
that
already
exists,
the
other
app.
The
other
thing
we
would
like
to
do
is
change
the
existing
windows,
there's
five
or
five
of
them.
That
would
like
to
change,
make
them
slightly
larger
and
provide
folding
windows.
Here
then
only
windows
or
bifold
windows,
so
we
can
get
the
maximum
opened
area
and
provide
the
second
level
dining
room
as
an
indoor
outdoor
type
of
space.
F
F
The
size
of
the
deck,
which
was
one
of
the
reasons
for
back
again
here
because
of
no
dimensions
on
the
size
of
the
deck,
is
29
six
inches
by
21
10
inches,
it's
approximately
600
square
feet
and
the
reason
it's
it's
being
controlled.
The
size
is
being
controlled,
basically
by
the
amount
of
space
that
we
have.
It's
like.
I
said
it's
being
constructed
over
the
to
go
area
and
the
existing
kitchen
area.
F
The
what
you
see
there
basically
is
the
sliding
doors
that
we're
providing
the
six
foot
wide
anderson
doors
that
will
be
accessible
from
the
existing
dining
room
on
the
second
level
and
the
patio
or
the
deck.
Whatever
you
want
to
call,
it
would
be
slightly,
I
would
say,
approximately
14
inches
higher
than
the
existing
floor
of
the
dining
room
and
that's
because
of
the
different
elevations
that
we
have
within
the
finished
floors
of
the
existing
building,
to
give
it
the
feel
of
the
deck.
F
That's
a
very
nautical
looking
rail
and
a
very
minimum
rail,
so
it
doesn't
stand
out
like
a
sore
thumb
and
people
can
and
you
can
everybody's
sitting
there.
You
can
see
right
through
it.
You
can
see
downtown
and
the
hill
as
you're
coming
down
from
the
church
behind
you
now
the
next
well,
can
you
go
to
the
next
elevation
the
front
elevation?
F
F
F
That's
there
now,
so
we're
keeping
it
as
low
as
possible.
Six
foot,
six
height
maximum
and
just
enough
so
we
are
able
to
maintain
visual
visually
hide
the
fans
behind
you,
and
hopefully,
some
of
the
noise
that
those
fans
provide
and
the
windows
that
you
see
on
the
proposed
one
is
almost
the
same
size,
but
the
same
look
as
the
existing
windows.
F
F
As
a
guard,
rail
will
provide
the
same
kind
of
rail
again.
The
stainless
steel
rod
rail
that
we
have
on
the
deck,
so
it's
a
continuation
and
that
will
give
the
feeling
of
an
indoor
outdoor
space
when
you're
standing
there.
You
can
see
that
basically
and
on
a
perspective
that
we
did
with
the
picture
on
it
and
you
can
get
a
better
idea
of
what
we're
talking
about
there.
F
Basically
again
I
mean
it's:
we
try
to
minimize
whatever
we're
doing
there.
So
if
you
look
at
the
existing
and
the
proposed,
yes,
obviously,
there's
changes
but
we're
trying
to
make
minimum
changes
and
again
this
sloping
move
that
we're
taking
out
was
something
that
was
presented
on
in
the
past,
and
you
know
it
does.
I
believe
it
gives
a
better
look
by
just
taking
it
and
gives
it
gives
that
depth
as
you
go
by
the
street
without
that
roof
there.
F
Basically,
the
size
is
approximately
the
same
size
and
the
reason
for
the
size
of
the
windows
is
that,
even
though
we're
trying
to
give
get
the
opening
as
large
as
possible,
we're
trying
also
to
use
it
windows
that
are
not
made
to
water
because
they
get
very
expensive
and
also
there's
an
existing
structural
system
that
was
introduced
there.
I
would
say,
I'm
not
sure,
five
or
six
years
ago,
and
that
limits
the
amount
of
opening
we
can
provide
without
modifying
that,
so
we're
trying
not
to
modify
the
existing
structure
conditions.
F
F
F
Now
this
is
the
existing
site
plan.
Now
you
can
see
it's
a
very
tight
site
plan,
but
on
the
side
where
the
bank
used
to
be
there's
a
11
foot
right
away,
that
belongs
to
my
client
and
some
additional
right-of-way
that
belongs
to
the
bank.
That's
for
the
vehicular
traffic
that
goes
in
the
back
parking
area
up
against
the
building.
F
F
Now
this
is
the
proposed
one.
This
is
with
the
roof:
slo
shopping,
roof
coming
off
and
we're
providing
that
additional
rail
to
provide
the
safety
that
we
need.
So
people
don't
hop
off
the
roof,
and
those
are
the
folding
windows
that
we
were
proposing
now
granted
they're
showing
larger
here
than
we're,
showing
them
on
the
elevation.
F
We
would
love
to
get
them
this
size
and
there's
no
way.
I
believe
we
can
do
it
because,
since
we've
done
this,
we've
done
some
preliminary
exploration
with
demolition
and
the
existing
structural
conditions
will
not
allow
us
to
make
the
noodles
that
size
and
be
slightly
smaller,
like
we're,
showing
them
on
the
elevations.
F
One
of
the
other
things
that
was
in
question
in
the
previous
meeting
was
the
shading
rail
shading
sails
that
we
had.
We
decided
to
take
those
off
not
introduce
them.
At
this
point,
like
the
client
said,
there's
going
to
be
limited
time,
that's
going
to
be
used
either
because
of
weather,
whether
it's
raining
or
being
in
the
winters,
so
there's
no
sense
of
putting
him
up
and
again
his
intent
is
basically
to
say.
Yes,
we
do
have
outdoor
space
as
a
restaurant
and
be
competitive
with
the
rest
of
the
restaurants
within
the
region.
F
What
you
see
here
is
basically
the
rail
we'll
be
talking
about
the
top
rail
or,
as
you
said,
the
hinge
rail
where
people
will
be
holding
will
be
finished
with
the
wood
finish
and
the
rest
will
be.
The
stainless
steel
rod
rails
that
you
see
in
most
areas
in
mystic
as
part
of
the
nautical
thing,
the
pictures
next
pictures
you
see.
Basically
the
windows
we're
talking
about
granted.
This
one
is
opening
in,
but
we're
going
to
be
opening
ours
out.
F
F
F
Right,
if
we,
if
we
had
continued
this
rail
all
the
way
across
to
the
back
of
the
roof,
it
just
overpowered
the
whole
elevation,
and
not
only
that,
but
I
felt
that
it
was
gonna
cause
all
kinds
of
issues
with
water,
snow
drifts,
ice
wells
and
everything,
because
if
we
had
provided
something
across
it,
snow
would
accumulate
behind
that
end
on
the
flat
roof
that
existed.
That
exists
there
now
and
the
excessive
heat
from
the
kitchen
would
be
melting
the
snow
and
then
it
would
freeze.
F
F
D
One
thing
this
is
max
leonard.
I
think
it's
a
really
cool
idea,
and
this
is
like
one
of
the
first
buildings
that
you
notice
when
you're
going
into
downtown
from
that
direction,
and
it's
a
mystic
staple
for
sure,
so
I
think
it
could
be
really
cool
one.
One
thing
I
wanted
to
ask
the
committee
was
how
we've
voted
on
this
type
of
guardrail
in
the
past.
It
seems
pretty
modern
to
me.
D
I
know
it's
kind
of
designed
to
be
more
low
vis,
but
I'm
just
curious.
If
you
know
we
wouldn't
go
with
something
more
traditional,
some
something
would
or
or
what
we've
said
about
this
it's.
I
know
it's
a
common
common
handrail,
but
wanted
to
see
what
the
committee
has
done
about
this
in
the
past.
We
have
any
experience
with
it.
C
When
I
made
an
application
for
factory
square,
we
had
cable
rails
across
the
front,
so
all
the
garage
doors
that
were
put
in
we
ultimately
eliminated
them
because
we
reconfigured
the
garage
doors
and
the
garage
doors
between
the
rails.
But
I
don't
personally
have
an
objection
to
cable
rails.
Quite
frankly,
I'm
kind
of
tired
of
the
conventional
picket
type
rails
that
we
see
all
over
the
place
and
I
think
that
it's
acceptable
to
use.
One
of
these,
in
my
opinion,.
C
H
This
is
john
and
frankly,
I'd
like
to
see
if
the
cable
rails
are
on
the
standard,
because
that's
my
concern
looking
at
the
project,
because
I
think
it's
too
modern
and
I
think
that
building
that
that's
in
it's
the
first
building
anybody
sees
coming
in
the
mystic
off
allen
street.
So
I'd
prefer
to
err
on
the
side
of
caution
on
that
one.
F
Can
I
comment
on
that
sure
we
did
look
at
the
regular
standard
rail.
It
was
somehow
overpowering
the
elevation
because
it's
it
would
take
about
20
some
linear
feet
on
both
sides
of
it,
and
that's
why
we
went
with
this
to
minimize
attracting
the
eye.
At
that
point,
we
just
want
the
whole
building
to
be
one
rather
than
a
piece
of
the
building
being
more
attracting
the
eye
too.
So
that's
the
only
reason
we
want
for
that
too.
I
mean
the
way
of
rest
is
real.
C
You
don't
see
the
horizontal
cables,
you
see
more
of
the
particles,
so
I
understand.
Well.
I
guess
I
don't
understand
your
concern
about
modernity,
because
I
I
think
that
architectural
architecture
in
general
is
a
dynamic
process
and
so
the
buildings
that
they
built
and
I've
said
this
before
the
buildings
that
they
built
and
mystic
in
1700.
D
H
G
H
D
I
said
you
know:
it's
you've
got
on
the
left,
there
you've
got
the
statue
and
then
you've
got
this
building
which
a
lot
of
people
come
to
mystic
to
go
to
on
its
own,
and
I
think
again
I
think
it's
a
really
cool
idea.
I
did
just
confirm
that
the
standard
has
pickets
all
around.
It
does
not
have
cable.
H
Yeah-
and
this
is
john
again
like
I
said
my
concern-
is
it's
a
high
visibility
building
from
multiple
you
know
from
a
couple
different
intersections,
like
max's
people
go
to
take
their
picture
in
front
of
it?
I
just
I
it's
present
design,
I'm
not
completely
comfortable
with.
I
think
it's
a
little.
It
doesn't
fit
with
the
rest
of
downtown.
I
can't
think
of
the
building
that
it
really
fits
in
with.
D
A
F
F
F
G
A
F
In
there,
what
we're
providing
is
possibly
if
you
notice
some
planters
on
either
side
of
them,
just
to
define
the
space
where
they're
going
to
be
and
again
those
are
there
just
because
of
code
requirements.
We
really
don't
anticipate
many
people
sitting.
There
should
probably
find
people
from
the
brewery
probably
sitting
there
more
than
our
customers,
because
the
brewery
has
tables
throughout
the
form
of
that
building
there,
but.
F
It
is
it,
but
I
again
I
mean
that's
another
reason
why
the
planters
are
there,
so
that
you
know
it
gives
it
some
protection,
but
it's
not
a
driveway
where
people
coming
in
and
out
on
a
regular
basis.
It's
very,
very
low,
vehicular
traffic
there,
if
any
during
the
day.
Actually
it's
only
between
shifts,
I
believe,
and
maybe
some
deliveries
when
they
make
and
the
width
is
wide
enough
to
accommodate
that
there
should
be
no
issue
whatsoever.
F
H
F
F
I
don't
see
any
reason
for
that.
I'll
be
honest
with
you,
I
mean
if
we
have
to,
we
have
to
request
to
allow
to
us
to
put
neighbors
on
the
sidewalk
on
the
bank
street
side.
We
can
do
that.
Also,
it's
just
that
presently
there's
a
lot
of
outdoors
sitting
there
with
the
existing
brewery,
so
we
figure
it's
gonna
blend
in
more
than
anything.
D
H
F
F
We're
trying
to
you
know
provide
all
the
requirements
as
this
if
you
notice
the
brewery
next
door,
that
is
not
ada
compliance
non-versatile
side,
because
it's
all
in
different
levels,
so
I
mean
I'm
sure
they
got
a
modification
from
the
state,
and
you
know
I
mean
if
that
that
becomes
an
issue.
I
was
getting
a
building
from
it.
Yes,
of
course,
we
want
to
go
to
the
state
and
get
a
modification
we
have
to
for
the
ada
compliance
and
not
provide
them
at
all,
we're
just
trying
to
make
sure
we
comply
with
everything.
F
At
this
point,
that's
all
I
personally
don't
see
any
issue
with
them
being
there
to
be
honest
with
you,
they're
going
to
blend
in,
you
won't
even
notice
them
with
the
rest
of
the
sitting,
outdoor
ceiling
that
exists
there
already
and
as
far
as
being
an
active
driveway,
I
was
there
for
hours.
I've
never
seen
one
car
go
in
and
out
of
there
they
all
use
the
bank
street
side
an
entrance
from
the
back
side.
They
never
use
the
front
side
because
of
the
traffic
on
the
front
of
the
building.
Anyway,.
A
G
F
C
C
Stefan
are
the
the
you
you
noted.
There
were
two
sizes
of
windows
that
you're
rendering
I
showed
those
fold
out
windows
at
one
size,
but
then
in
fact
you
can't
put
them
in
at
that
size.
So
it
does
your
other
drawing
that
shows
the
windows
that
their
actual
proposed
size
are.
Those
sizes
called
out
in
your
application.
F
I
did
not
call
those
out
on
the
elevation.
No,
I
did
not.
There
are
seven
foot
three
high
by
six
foot.
Four,
the
standard
windows
from
this
particular
manufacturer
and
those
are
the
ones
we're
using
they're,
going
to
be
approximately
12
inches
from
the
floor
so
because
of
the
header,
the
existing
header
that
exists
above.
A
So
I'm
just
gonna
kind
of
go
back
a
little
because
we
went
on
a
couple
different
subjects.
I
I
personally
don't
necessarily
have
any
problem
with
the
rail
system.
You
know
it's
not
necessarily
a
historic,
historic
building,
so
you
know
it
probably
seems
to
fit
and
we'll
have
low
visibility.
As
is
max
noted.
I'm
still.
I
still
have
the
same
concerns
that
I've
voiced
in
the
same
meeting
or
the
earlier
meeting,
which
is
you
know
it's
it's
it's
a
bit
hodgepodgey.
A
You
know
we
already
have
various
windows
and
it's
it's
a
bit
of
an
oddball
and
I
feel
like
we're
we're
making
it
a
little
bit
more
so
with
this
particular
modification
and
then
to
go
over
the
seating
piece.
As
max
said,
I
don't
think
that
we
have
any
jurisdiction
on
that
exterior
side
seating,
because
it's
all
movable
if
they
change
it
to
something,
that's
fixed,
then
he
would
have
to
come
back
to
us
for
that.
But
if
it's
just
movable
tables
chairs
and
planters,
that's
not
that's
not
anything
that
we
can
opine
on.
C
Well,
with
regard
to
the
you're
feeling
that
it
looks
a
little
bit
of
a
hodgepod
like
a
hodgepodge,
I
certainly
don't
think
it's
any
worse
than
it
is
now
and
in
fact
I
think
it's
better
looking
now,
because
I
think
that
that
angled
slope
roof
that
heads
to
the
west.
If
you
go
back
to
one
of
those
earlier
photographs
and
shows
it,
I
think
it's
pretty
awful.
Looking.
A
H
And
sarah,
I
second
that,
like
I
said,
I
think
it's
it's
too
prominent
of
a
building
coming
in
the
town
the
to
make
it
any
more
hodgepodge
than
it
is.
I
mean
it's.
It's
the
first
thing,
anybody's
gonna
see
coming
off
allen
street
in
the
downtown,
and
I
think
that's
that's
something.
We've
got
to
give
a
lot
of
weight
to.
D
F
F
That's
there
now,
and
that
would
make
it
a
lot
more
busier
more
complicated,
and
that's
the
only
that's
the
only
reason
I
mean
presently,
if
you
look
at
it,
if
you
look
at
the
building,
that
building
was
a
flat
roof
from
what
you
see
here
and
we
you
know
it
was
the
slow
proof
was
introduced
to
connect
it
to
the
other
building,
basically
we're
taking
it
back
to
the
flat
roof
and
maintaining
that
framework.
That
was
there
before.
C
D
C
So
I
also
think
that
seeing
the
top
of
a
picket
balustrade
behind
that
parapet,
I
think,
is
also
going
to
look
rather
odd.
Gonna
look
cut
off
as
opposed
to
a
horizontal
or
more
horizontal
type
rail
system.
That's
my
personal
opinion.
I
mean,
I
think
the
building
looks
much
better
in
this
iteration
here
than
it
currently
looks.
D
C
Agree-
and
it
is
it
is,
you
know-
I
mean
I
think,
you're
right
stephanie,
it's
two
buildings
that
were
at
some
point
joined
at
least
as
one
entity,
and
perhaps
an
argument
could
be
made
that
it
was
somewhat
artfully
done.
I
mean
the
fenestration
on
the
front
and
the
windows
are
in
part.
They
were,
they
differed
between
the
two
buildings
and
because
of
the
change
in
elevation.
C
C
F
We
could,
but
I
think
it
would
be
too
massive.
Looking
for
the
building
below
it,
I
mean,
I
think
it
works
well
presently
and
in
the
past,
when
they
just
left
the
trim
as
a
parapet
there,
because
we
need
to
go
higher
for
safety
reasons.
That's
the
only
reason
we're
introducing
the
cable
railing
and
we
try
to
minimize
whatever
I
mean
we
could
do
glass
which,
but
it's
way
too
modern.
C
F
In
the
guardrail,
in
this
case,
or
should
say
the
rail
itself,
it's
not
going
to
be
42
inches
from
floor
to
ceiling.
Actually
here
it's
even
half
of
it.
If
you
look
at
closely
you're
going
to
see
a
dotted
brown
line,
that
that
indicates
where
the
finished
floor
of
the
deck
is
approximately
so
more
than
half
of
that
is
the
existing
parapet.
F
So
beyond
the
parapet,
you're
gonna
have
maybe
a
foot
and
a
half
of
the
guardrail
and
it
set
in
another
foot
and
a
half
so
actually,
as
you're
walking
on
the
side,
you
won't
even
see
that
what
you're
going
to
see
is
the
parapet.
The
only
time
you're
going
to
see
the
guard,
rail
or
the
rail
itself
would
be
standing
far
away
across
the
street,
so
you're
never
even
going
to
see
that
as
you
walk
in
the
sidewalks.
A
H
C
G
C
A
A
G
A
B
G
H
A
A
So
I
had,
I
had
hoped
to
today
be-
and
I
had
this
conversation
with
eric-
he
knew
about
it
and
because
I
knew
he
wasn't
going
to
be
at
tonight's
meeting,
but
I
do
want
don
and
bonnie
here
and
I'll
share
the
email
with
you
that
the
town
attorney
sent
so
that
you
can
all
see
it,
and
I
think
that
that
was
the
only
piece
of
old
business.
Peter.
Did
I
miss
anything.
Can
I
ask
a
question?
Yes,.
C
A
So
they
he
was
just
I,
I
think,
because
he
had
properties
across
the
street,
that
it
was
considered
a
conflict
of
interest,
or
at
least
the
town
attorney
believed
that
it
could
potentially
be
a
conflict
of
interest
so
to
remove
any
possible
conflict
to
just
take
a
vote
when
eric
wasn't
present.
Okay,.