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From YouTube: Town of Groton Historic District Commission 7/21/20
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Groton, Connecticut municipal meeting: Town of Groton Historic District Commission - July 21, 2020. Click on the link below to view the agenda.
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Okay,
this
meeting
of
the
historic
district
commission
will
take
place
in
a
webinar
format
through
zoom.
The
chair
of
the
commission
is
sarah
moriarty.
The
host
of
the
webinar
is
building
officials
staff
attending
the
meeting
include
leaders
of
english,
james
quinn
and
linda
galetta.
Anyone
speaking
should
state
their
names
prior
to
speaking
each
time.
The
panelists
in
this
webinar
meeting
will
be
the
commission
members
in
the
building
staff.
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After
a
panelist
raises
their
hand,
they
will
be
able
to
comment
one
at
a
time
when
called
upon
by
the
chairperson
panelists
should
mute
their
microphones
until
called
upon
panelists
calling
into
the
meeting
by
telephone
may
raise
and
lower
their
hands
by
pressing
star
nine
to
mute
or
unmute.
Your
call
press
star
six
to
make
a
motion
or
second
emotion,
commission
members
can
raise
a
hand
or
be
acknowledged
by
the
host
or
chair
to
vote
on
a
motion.
Commission
members
will
be
called
upon
individually
by
the
chair
to
vote.
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Here's
the
front
street
scene:
this
is
I'm
going
through
the
obligatory
filing
requirements
from
the
old
days
or
whatever.
I
don't
still
enforce
this
or
not,
but
there's
the
front
street
scene.
Here's
looking
east
there's
looking
west,
here's
my
site
plan
and
the
subject
matter
are
these
condensers
the
x
over
here
on
the
west
side
is
off
the
driveway
the
x
over
here
on
the
southeast
corner
is.
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Driveway
side
that
yellow
x
back
there
is
the
vicinity
of
where
the
condenser
unit
will
be,
and
then
the
piping
will
go
up
the
side
of
the
building.
This
is
going
to
serve
as
the
second
floor,
so
the
pipe
is
going
to
go
up
the
side
of
the
building
and
disappear
in
I'm
going
to
enclose
it
in
a
chase
of
some
kind
and
paint
it
to
match.
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Obviously,
I'm
as
concerned
about
aesthetics,
as
you
guys
are
so
that'll,
be
hidden
in
the
best
way
I
can
make
it
and
then
the
condensers
on
the
east
side
that
southeast
corner
those
are
going
to
disappear
through
the
base.
But
now
these
you
notice
this
basement
window
back
here
that
I
got
the
cursor
hovering
over.
I
I
might
put
them
back
here.
If
you
guys
recall,
I
came
for
your
permission
to
build
an
enclosure
over
these
outside
basement
stairs
and
it's
one
of
these
chicken
and
egg
things
where
I
have
not
done
that
yet
and
I'm
about
to,
but
I
also
wanted
to
figure
this
out
with
these
condensers
because
I
may
put
them
tuck
them
back
in
that
corner.
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But
I
need
to
read
my
manufacturer's
specs
on
clearances
and
all
that,
and
if
I
don't
have
room
back
there,
then
I'm
going
to
pull
them
out
to
where
these
double
x's
are
between
those
two
windows.
But
in
any
case
the
piping
for
these
will
disappear
inside
they'll
go
into
the
basement,
so
there'll
be
nothing
going
up.
The
side
of
the
building
and
the
condenser
specs
are
on
the
west.
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So
it's
very
simple,
very
straightforward
again,
two
over
here
one
over
here
and
looking
on
the
site
plan.
This
driveway
one,
you
know,
would
clearly
be
visible
under
existing
conditions
from
the
public
way.
This
one,
these
ones
in
the
southeast
probably
won't
be
because
of
the
vegetation
because
of
our
hedge.
But
I
know
you
don't
consider
the
hedge
you
know,
but
there
you
go.
You
got
this
big
hedgerow
along
the
front,
so
you're
not
really
going
to
be
able
to
see
those
unless
the
hedge
died,
then,
yes,
they
would
be
visible.
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Yeah,
if
I
can
fit
it
between
the
enclosure
and
the
wall,
the
building,
if
there's
enough
space
in
there
to
get
in
and
service
and
maintain
them
and
allow
the
proper
air
flow
and
all
that
I'd
actually
prefer
to
stick
them
back
there,
I'm
just
not
sure
I'll
have
enough
clearance.
So
that's
why
I
thought
I'll
slide
them
out.
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I've
been
asked
by
mr
hardesty
who
lives
at
14
fort
rachel
place
to
become
involved
in
a
in
a
situation
that
he
has
his
place
where
there
was
an
approval
on
a
garage
to
be
built.
The
garage
was
not
built
according
to
the
plans
there
were
changes
made.
It
was
a
perfect
storm.
It
was
the
plans
were
done
and
submitted
by
builder
number,
one
and
builder
number
one
got
into
the
project
realized.
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He
couldn't
finish
it
and
invited
builder
number
two
into
the
project
and
was
going
to
work
with
him,
and
then
there
was
a
dispute
about
some
money
and
we
know
how
that
ended
and
the
building
ended
up
not
being
built
according
to
the
plans.
So
mr
hardesty
asked
me
to
get
involved
in
and
do
whatever
the
commission
wanted
in
terms
of
guidance,
and
so
here
today
to
to
present
the
exhibits
and
ask
for
some
guidance
from
the
commission.
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This
is
a
street
view
in
front
of
mr
hardesty's
place.
The
road's
12
feet
wide
and
we
can
see
that
it's
it's
already
approaching
the
end
here
directly
across
the
street
from
the
garage
and
his
home.
There's
a
rock
outcrop
that
I
believe
someone
mentioned
in
the
last
meeting
was
a
lookout
over
the
harbor.
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This
is
the
view
standing
in
front
of
mr
hardisty's
garage
and
we
can
see
down
the
road
that
we
have,
the
boat
storage
yard
and
and
in
this
kind
of
situation
there
isn't
a
lot
of
traffic
there's
virtually
no
sightseeing,
mostly
people
who
come
down
to
work
on
their
boats
and
in
the
winter.
The
boats
are
wrapped
with
plastic
and
that's
the
view
from
his
garage
just
to
the
right.
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Facing
the
neighbors
whose
house
was
on
the
left,
we
have
the
original
elevation
and
we
have
the
ass
built
so
builder
number
two.
When
builder
number
one
was
not
in
the
picture
anymore
builder
number
two
try
to
basically
from
what
he
told
me
is
he
tried
to
make
the
window
similar
to
what's
on
the
street
and
what's
on
mr
hardesty's
house,
so
he
he
changed
the
window
design
and
installed
a
door
on
this
side.
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If
we
have
a
dining
room
wall,
nobody
puts
too
little
pictures
on
the
dining
room
wall
to
break
up
the
wall.
I
mean
they
might
break
it
up
with
a
chair
rail.
They
might
do
a
wainscot
on
the
bottom
to
divide
the
wall.
They
might
they'll,
might
put
crown
molding
up
or
do
a
built
up
crown.
They
might
change
the
base.
Molding
do
different
colors,
but
basically
to
deal
with
mass
impact.
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This
is
one
of
the
neighbors.
The
neighbor
in
the
red
house
hasn't
said
much
of
anything
in
regard
to
the
process,
but
the
neighbor
to
the
right
has
seen
the
seen
the
building,
and
this
is
from
christine
mulholland
and
frank
fulcero
there
next
door
and
the
right-hand
side
of
mr
hardesty's
home,
and
they
said
dear
commission,
we
are
longtime
neighbors
of
michael
hardesty
at
14,
fort
rachel
place.
Michael,
is
applying
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
modifications
to
his
garage.
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If
I
had
designed
it,
I
wouldn't
have
designed
it
the
way
it
was
on
the
approved
plans.
I
don't
think
it's
for
a
very
attractive
design.
I
don't
think
it
fits
the
neighborhood
and
I
would
have
built
it
to
what
the
commission
had
approved.
Well,
we
had
a
perfect
storm,
and,
and
that
didn't
happen,
so
I
I
think
basically
I'm
looking
for
the
commission's
guidance.
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I
think
the
commission,
if
I
apply
first
certificate
of
appropriateness
after
gaining
some
direction
and
guidance
from
commission
members
tonight,
which
I'd
appreciate
the
last
time
I
did
projects
in
the
town.
I
got
a
lot
of
good
guidance
and
direction
from
the
commission
at
that
time.
A
lot
of
ideas
we
incorporated.
They
were
good
ideas
and
the
projects
were
successful
and
attractive.
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Do
these,
what
I
call
rake
runs
or
rabbit,
runs
in
an
eyebrow
across
to
break
up
the
mass
of
the
front
on
the
sides.
It
would
do
the
same
thing
in
design
books,
capes
are
called
one
and
a
half
story
homes,
even
though,
for
the
most
part
they
are
two-story
homes,
but
they're
called
that,
because
the
roof
line
is
brought
down
to
the
first
floor
height.
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To
me,
this
is
totally
out
of
place,
but
the
builder
did
put
cross
heads
on
the
garage
doors
and
on
the
and
on
the
double
hung
above
and
I
think
from
the
road.
I
think
it's
a
more
attractive
design
and
building
than
the
original
and
for
the
most
part,
the
only
thing
people
are
going
to
see
is
the
front
of
the
building
the
other
sides
of
the
building.
We
have
the
legend
back.
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No,
in
other
words,
on
the
drawing
I
suggested
doing,
a
rake
run
or
a
rabbit,
run.
Okay,
like
this
to
break
up
the
mass
and
the
facade
and
to
bring
the
roof
line
down
more
so
the
building
for
all
practical
appearances
appears
lower
than
it
actually
is
like
a
cape,
and
that
was
down
in
this
section
that
was
in
this
section
here,
that's
the
same
facade,
it
looks
like
a
cape
with
dormers
by
adding
the
the
rabbit
runs
and
the
and
the
eyebrow,
and
that
would
have
the
same
impact
on
the
side.
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And,
as
I
mentioned,
this
is
the
this
is
a
side
facing
mr
hardesty's
home,
and
this
is
the
original
approved
plan
and
I
didn't
draw
this
plan,
but
anyway,
I
think
this
look
in
particular
is
more
close,
more
closely
resembles
what
is
in
the
neighborhood.
Currently,
admittedly,
it's
large
but
mr
hardesty's
home
is
not
small.
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The
garage
does
not
dwarf
the
home.
His
home
is
large.
It's
got
a
large
deck
in
the
back
that
we
had
designed
and
built,
and
and
it's
got
porches
and
out
and
bump
outs
and
this
and
when
we
looked
at
the
picture,
you
could
see
that
the
the
garage
matches
the
home.
I
mean-
that's,
that's
probably
in
the
in
a
nutshell.
J
This
right
here
matches
doesn't
match
anything
and
it
doesn't
match
any
house
on
the
street
that
I'm
aware
of
so
we're
down
at
the
end
of
the
cul-de-sac
and
I'll
just
say:
there's
not
going
to
be
people,
don't
aren't
going
to
really
care
what
what
mr
hardesty
has
the
neighbors
are.
Okay
with
it,
the
people
going
down
to
see
their
boats
wrapped
in
plastic.
That's
nobody's
gonna,
be
buying
ice
cream,
eating
ice
cream
and
drinking
coffees
down
there
to
look
over
the
architecture,
the
neighborhood,
but
it
is
a
cute
neighborhood.
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And
that
that's
a
point
I
made
to
eric
before,
which
is
that
the
house
is
out
of
character
with
the
street.
You've
now
created
a
structure
that
mimics
the
house,
which
is
still
out
of
character
with
the
street,
so
now
you've
increased
the
density
and
mass
of
that
property
significantly,
because
everything
essentially
rides
on
the
road.
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So
now
everything
in
that
plot
looks
out
of
whack
relative
to
the
cave
to
your
left,
the
cape
that
gig
and
frank
live
in
to
the
right.
The
federal,
that's
2
000
square
feet
up
that
I
used
to
own
the
federal
cape
or
whatever
it
is,
or
the
small
house
between
the
to
the
right
of
that
and
then
the
federal
cape.
That's
on
the
right
of
that
and
that's
the
whole
street.
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I
mean,
I
think,
that
if
certain
members
present
and
not
present
would
go
back
and
not
vote
for
it
had
they
have
known
it
was
going
to
look
like
it
did,
but
you
made
it
worse,
someone
reported
it
neighbor,
whoever
and
now
we're
back
here,
trying
to
fix
something
that
shouldn't
have
been
built.
The
way
that
it
was
but
probably
would
have
never
been
approved
if
it
had
been
shown
to
be
what
it,
what
it
actually
is
accurately.
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I
would
not
had
I
have
known
what
the
original
the
original
approved
plan
was.
Gonna
look
like,
I
would
not
have
voted
for
it
and
the
new
the
what
was
built,
which
obviously
is
a
combination
of
many
errors
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
along
the
way
or
problems
or
issues
just
made
it
worse,
and
now
you
could
put
it
back
to
the
way
it
was
approved.
I
think
everyone
all
right.
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Well,
if,
if
he
tries
to
lower
the
elevation
of
the
roof
by
two
feet,
you
will
have
a
cascading
effect
on
the
the
second
floor
windows
unless
you
flatten
the
pitch
of
the
roof,
which
I
think
will
will
be
aesthetically
a
worse
result
too.
I
mean,
I
think,
what
we
all
recognize
and
what
no
one's
really
saying
here
is
that,
in
my
humble
opinion,
the
the
the
building
was
modified
so
that
the
second
floor
could
be
an
occupied
capital
space.
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I
mean
that,
that's
what
that's
what
happened
here.
I
mean
it
was
a
mistake.
I
don't
think
that
someone
just
built
something
without
figuring
out
what
they
were
building.
I
think
they
built
what
they
intended
to
build
and
what
they
intended
to
build
was
approved.
I
don't
disagree
with
eric
that
what
was
approved
is
not
on
you
know.
You
know
revisiting
it.
The
most
aesthetically
pleasing
looking
thing,
but
it
was
a
garage.
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There
are
now
full
length
side
windows
which
again
makes
me
think
that
this
is
basically
an
apartment
being
built
again,
I
can't
say:
what's
inside,
I
have
no
approval.
What's
inside,
but
look
I
mean
look
at
the
the
window
space
in
the
two
things,
the
it's
clearly
a
one
store
built
to
look
like
a
one
story
on
what
was
approved
with
again
an
oddly
tall.
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J
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
the
commission's
given
a
lot
of
good
suggestions.
I
I
I
like
them
all.
I
need
to
bring
them
back
to
mr
hardesty
and
and
tell
him
what
the
options
are
and
he's
gonna
say:
yay
or
nay,
or
you
know
I
just
I'm
just
working
for
him
so,
but
I
think
the
ideas
are
good.
I
think
they
would
look
good
on
the
property.
D
D
G
J
D
J
D
And
I
think
that
the
the
overall
mass
would
be
lessened
regardless,
you
know,
maybe
a
slightly
steeper
pitch
would
lessen
the
overall.
You
know
the
flat
plane
of
the
front
of
the
gable
end.
There
sort
of
a
halfway
cut
between
your
your
rabbit
runs
and-
and
you
know,
I'm
not
crazy
about
the
rat-
the
rabbit
runs.
I
think
I
think
they
reduce
the
scope
and
scale
of
the
of
the
building,
but
this
just
looks
a
little
odd
to
me
for
some
reason
and.
C
J
B
D
J
D
A
D
D
In
fact,
we
swear
with
pressure
treated
lumber
and
basically
there
is
a
huge
shortage
of
pressure
treated
lumber
nationwide
and
I
cannot
get
the
material
I
need
and
I've
got
a
you
know
I
applied
for
the
building
permit,
and
so
I
want
to
substitute
another
material
to
wrap
the
sides
and
the
soffits
the
undersides
of
the
deck.
So
I
think
I
have
to
come
back
for
another
public
hearing.
For
that
correct
I
mean,
even
if
I.
H
D
D
D
C
D
H
E
G
H
A
I
mean,
I
think,
commenting
in
general.
We
can
pump
up
a
little
bit
when
I
first
got
on.
I
felt
like
nobody
was
saying
anything
we
were
just
saying
yay
so
now
it
seems
like
a
definitely
in
a
demo
situation,
but
also
in
general,
wouldn't
be
a
bad
habit
to
get
into
is
just
to
have
comments
with
a
little
more
commenting,
I
guess.
A
B
Well,
I
just
just
for
something
for
people
to
think
about
about.
I
talked
to
mark
a
little
bit
before
we
all
joined
about
when
we,
if
we
redo
the
guidelines
having
something
in
there
a
little
bit
better
about
notice
to
adjoining
property
owners,
particularly
if
people
are
putting
fences
on
their
property
line
that
they
something
to
the
effect
that
they
give
specific
notice
to
the
adjoining
property
owner
of
their
intention.
B
D
F
F
C
G
G
B
The
problem
is
that
the
appeal
period
is
very
unrealistic
if
you're
a
neighbor
and
you
suddenly
learn-
and
you
don't
go
on
every
week
to
see
what's
on
the
agenda,
the
ahdc
and
your
next
door.
Neighbor
comes
up
with
something
you
really
don't
like,
and
we
approve
that
you
know
your
options
are
pretty
limited
to
fight
it.
Can
you
appeal
an
htc
yeah?
B
E
Your
job,
your
job
as
the
commission
is,
is
to
go
through
and
abide
by
what
the
regulations
are
and
the
rules
are
and
that's
why
you
determine
if
it
is,
if
you
can
do
it
or
not,
so
I
think
you
know
you
guys
are
doing
your
job
it's
going
through
and
improving
it
or
disapproving
it
so
technically,
you're
doing
what's
required.
Anyway,
with
you.
G
F
E
C
H
H
G
I
just
think,
maybe
just
a
friendly
mention
to
people
during
pre-approval
say:
hey,
you
know,
make
sure
your
neighbors
are
aware
of
this,
particularly
the
big
impact
things.
You
know,
air
conditioning
whatever.
No
one
cares
about
air
conditioning,
but
if
someone's
going
to
do
something
that
clearly
it's
going
to
affect
the
neighbor,
you
might
want
to
say
hey,
you
know
just
to
be
a
good
neighbor.
You
might
want
to
just
let
them
know.
E
G
E
C
A
C
Just
one
thing:
quick
todd-
I'm
not
just
mention
this,
but
you
guys
may
or
may
not
be
aware
that
one
of
my
subcontractors
ran
over
the
art
association
booth
or
crashed
into
it.
So
they've
been
operating
without
a
booth
for
a
couple
weeks.
Todd
and
I
have
been
trying
to
get
this
thing
through
the
insurance
company
who's
not
being
very
helpful.
But
at
some
point
I
gotta
rebuild
that
booth.