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From YouTube: Groton Historic District Commission 3/1/22
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Groton, Connecticut municipal meeting: Historic District Commission March 1, 2022. Click on the link below to view the agenda.
https://www.agendasuite.org/iip/groton/file/getfile/61985
A
Meaning
the
historic
district
commission
will
take
place
in
webinar
format
through
zoom.
The
chair
of
the
commission
is
sarah
moriarty
host
of
webinars
the
building
officials
staff
attending
this
meeting
include
pizza,
vigilance
and
linda
goletta.
Anyone
speaking
should
state
their
names
prior
to
speaking
each
time.
Andelson's
webinar
meeting
will
be
the
commission
members
and
the
building
staff
panels
who
would
like
to
comment
on
an
item
should
indicate
such
by
using
the
icon
to
raise
hand
at
the
bottom
of
the
screen.
A
After
a
panelist
raises
their
hand,
they
will
be
able
to
comment
one
at
a
time
when
called
upon
by
the
chairperson
panelists
should
mute
their
microphones
and
so
called
the
body.
You
know
it's
calling
into
the
meeting
by
telephone
may
raise
or
lower
their
hand
by
pressing
star
nine
viewer
on
you.
You
call
press
start
six,
where
somebody's
got
back
feedback
make
a
motion.
Second
of
motion.
Commission
members
can
raise
a.
A
By
the
host
and
chair
vote
on
a
motion
commissioner
members
will
be
funded,
is
really
about
his
chair
to
vote.
Public
can
participate
in
the
meeting
during
the
public
communications
agenda.
Item
public
will
be
asked
to
raise
their
hand
during
public
communications
if
they
want
to
speak
at
this
time,
be
using
the
icon
to
raise
hand
at
the
bottom
of
the
screen.
The
public
will
be
called
upon
by
the
host
one
at
a
time
and
be
able
to
speak
during
this
time.
Attendees
must
identify
themselves
before
speaking.
C
Thank
you.
So
I
will
call
listening
to
order
on
march
1
it's
703
and
I
will
appoint
a
middle
person
for
don
and
john
goodridge
for
todd,
and
does
someone
want
to
read
the
call
I
can
read
it.
C
Dear
matt,
please
publish
the
following
public
notice
for
one
insertion
on
monday
february,
21
2022
town
of
granton
noticed
a
public
hearing,
historic
district
commission.
The
historic
district
commission
will
hold
a
public
hearing
on
tuesday
march
1
2022
at
7
pm,
virtually
via
the
zoom
platform,
to
hear
the
following
applications
requesting
a
certificate
of
groceries:
htc
22-05,
one
west
main
street
steamboat
wharf
condominium
association,
parking
lot
owner
applicant
parking,
automation,
system
and
site
plan.
C
The
office
of
planning
and
development,
not
less
than
24
hours
prior
to
the
meeting.
Applications
are
on
file
and
available
for
public
inspection
during
normal
business
hours
at
the
committee
department,
134
grant
long
point
road
grant
connecticut,
maybe
this
21st
day
of
february
2022
at
grant
connecticut
todd
brady
secretary,
all
right,
so
I
will
call.
C
E
C
Okay,
so
he's
having
significant.
He
can't
he
can
hear
us,
but
he
can't
unmute
himself
or
show
video.
So
what
I
told
him
is
we're
gonna
go
through
the
rest
of
the
applications
and
then
I
think
he's
gonna
come
here
and
he'll
just
make
his
presentation
here.
C
C
G
C
Sat
john
job
for
you,
anyhow:
okay,.
H
Yeah
good
eve
good
evening,
it's
greg
fettis
with
fetish
engineering
representing
are
we
doing
all
four
applications
together?
Sarah
or.
C
So
I'm
a
I
don't
know
too
much
about
this.
Are
they
all
the
same
application,
gray
or.
I
Yeah,
let
me
jump
in
sarah,
so
when
I
was
running
it
last
time
they
had
applied
for
it
just
for,
I
believe,
the
mystic
art
association.
But
since
you
can't
for
the
htc
certificates,
you
can't
join
them,
like
you
can
on
a
site
plan.
They
had
to
do
one
for
each
property.
The
changes
were
being
made
on.
C
H
Okay,
so
we
just
get
greg
fettis
again
fetish
engineering
office
at
70,
essex
street,
mystic,
connecticut,
professional
engineer,
state
of
connecticut,
so
we
did
present
the
whole
application
last
two
weeks
ago.
H
I
don't
know
how
much
you
want
to
repeat
of
it,
but
I
think
the
only
thing
last
time
they
asked
was
for
a
detail,
a
decorative
poll
because
we
had
provided.
We
didn't
really
provide
a
detail.
Last
time
on,
we
were
proposing
just
a
straight
aluminum
pole,
so
we
did
show
a
six.
I
think
it
was
a
six
or
six
and
a
half
foot
pole
and
we
found
the
comparable,
almost
10
foot
high
pole,
114
inches,
which
we
submitted
on
friday.
C
H
So
these
are
the
actually
two
properties,
yet
three
different
entities
for
the
for
the
second
parcel,
which
is
the
steamboat
warf
property,
so
the
the
major
the
parking
automation
replacement.
I
guess
so
the
majority
of
the
work
is
is
in
this
rectangle
here
at
the
entrance
from
water
street.
So
I'm
just
gonna
go
and
then
we
have
a
kiosk
over
here
at
the
39
west
main
area,
and
then
we
have
some
on
one
west
main.
H
We
have
a
new
gate
and
they
so
you
can
actually
patrons,
can
enter
off
of
west
main
also.
So
that's
the
first
sheet.
Second
sheet
is
a
blow
up
of
that
rectangle
area.
H
So
we
took
the
existing
booth.
That's
currently
in
the
middle
of
the
ioa
and
moved
it
over
by
the
the
restroom,
the
police
station.
That's
going
to
be
used
for
storage
parking,
lot,
associated
storage,
cones
and
so
forth.
We're
also
widening
the
roads
slightly.
So
there's
about
one
one
to
two
feet
of
widening
there
just
to
make
it
24
feet
wide
the
entrance
way,
which
is
kind
of
a
standard
engineering
width
and
the
town
requirement.
H
So
there
is
a
little
bit
of
landscaping
and
I'll
get
to
a
picture
on
our
third
sheet.
That
shows,
but
that
little
bit
of
landscaping
that
will
get
disrupted
will
either
planted
in
that
existing
island
or
replanted
somewhere
else
in
the
on
the
property.
H
So
we
do
have
a
new
two
foot
wide
concrete
island.
I'm
gonna
blow
this
up
just
a
little
bit
with
an
exit
gate
mentioned
gate
entrance,
kiosk
and
exit
kiosk,
which
is
basically
you
can
either
pay
there.
We
also
have
a
camera
that
will
recognize
license
plates.
That's
where
that
10
foot
pole
will
be
the
decorative
pole.
H
H
And
just
some
re-striping
and
and
directional
arrows
stop
signs
just
to
kind
of
get
better
control
of
traffic
entering
and
exiting
a
big
problem
with
gridlock
people
actually
leaving
the
south
lot
trying
to
make
a
left
kind
of
blocking
this
area
here.
So
we've
eliminated
that
and
to
right
turn
only
you
basically
have
to
circle
around
to
exit.
H
I
H
I
H
We
we
don't
have
a
lot
we're
not
replacing
anything
over
here.
This
is
all
just
striping,
so
the
only
new
curbing
is
the
it's
actually
proposed
to
be
concrete
for
this
two
foot
wide
island,
and
then
this
island
here
and
that's
going
to
be
a
mountable
concrete
curve
to
help
with
fire
apparatus.
Maneuver.
I
H
H
H
Yeah,
so
this
just
shows
how
it
works.
This
will.
Actually,
this
is
a
ceiling
mounted
one
in
a
garage,
but
it
would
be
on
a
pole
recognize
your
license.
Plate
recognize,
there's,
there's
a
lot
more
to
it,
but
it's
kind
of
the
simple
explanation
is
it'll.
Recognize
your
license
plate
if
you
paid
already
or
if
you're
your
license
plate
is
in
the
system.
You'll
you'll
be
able
to
just
go
right
out.
H
H
Well,
there's
going
to
be
a
new
gate
put
in
that
will
allow
just
common
well.
Anyone
can
enter
there
or
get
a
ticket
and
enter
the
parking
that
entrance.
So
you
don't
have
to
go
to
water
like
now.
You
have
to
go
to
water
street
right
to
come
in
so
now,
you'll
have
the
option
to
come
either
way.
So
it's
meant
to
alleviate
some
of
the
the
traffic
buildup
of
entering
on
water
street
entering
and
exiting
on
water
street.
You
won't.
You
only
be
able
to
exit
on
water
street.
C
Okay,
if
no
one
has
anything
else,
would
anyone
in
the
audience
like
to
speak
for
this
application?
C
C
C
K
D
E
C
I
don't
have
the
application
number
but
I'll
call
friar,
tuck's,
tavern,
12
water
street
gary
for
work
and
then
that's
sure.
K
I
know
and
gary
hobert
with
fire
trucks,
tavern
twelve
water
street.
K
K
It
there's
no
there's.
Actually,
no,
the
gas
line
is
actually
we'll
be
inside
hook
it
up
to
our
existing
gas
inside
we're
gonna.
Do
it
outside,
but
we're
not
we're
just
gonna
go
ahead
and
hook
it
to
an
existing
line.
That's
up
in
the
kitchen,
so
the
only
thing
that's
gonna
be
visible
from
the
street.
Barely
is
the
three-inch
pipe
that
comes
out
of
the
the
roof.
K
C
K
E
K
So
yeah,
so
basically
the
pipe
is
just
gonna
come
out
where
it
says,
propose
new
pipe
from
the
elevation.
This
is
the
east
side.
Looking
in
the
front
of
the
off
of
water
street,
is
the
east
side
of
the
building
and
it'll
be
about
six
feet
up
from
the
on
the
roof
line
and
about
seven
feet
from
the
south
elevation,
which
is
the
bottom
one.
Here,
it's
about
six
feet
up
and
then
seven
feet
over.
D
You
say
it's
a
three
inch
pipe,
I'm
assuming
that's
the
diameter
with
the
length.
K
It's
about
it
goes
up
about
two
and
a
half
three
feet
up
whatever
that
code
is
it's
got
to
clear
the
pitch
of
the
roof
as
far
as
the
top
of
the
the
pipe
there,
so
I
think
it's
at
an
average.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
at
about
three
feet
up
from
the
base.
C
G
L
C
Okay,
if
the
applicant
doesn't
have
anything
more
to
add,
does
anyone
in
the
honors
want
to
speak
for
this
application?
C
C
E
A
C
The
application
is
approved,
deliberation
on
12
water
street
fire
trucks
tavern.
This
was
the
addition
of
the
gas
pipe
on
the
roof.
Any
comments
or
motions.
D
C
Whitman
nalt,
I
the
application,
is
approved.
Thank
you.
Applicants
thanks
all
right.
Pre-Application
hearings.
C
M
Classic
classic
we
have
a
preliminary
application
for
17
gravel
street
we've
done
a
preliminary
about
a
month
ago,
and
we
want
to
address
some
of
the
issues.
The
board
brought
up.
Commission
brought
up.
D
M
M
Okay,
the
you
know
the
I
don't
know
what
board
members
were
not
present
a
month
ago.
Sarah,
you
were
not.
I.
M
I
M
M
I'll
go
through
this.
The
first
part
has
about
to
do
about
demolition
and
then
I'll
go
through
the
application.
I'll
go
through
it
relatively
rapidly.
You
know
not
as
thoroughly
as
we
did
last
time,
but
if
you
have
questions
you
know
you
could
you
could
ask
you
know
on
that
is
christopher.
Not
here.
M
Yes,
I'm
here
bill
chris,
you
want
to
sort
of
give
us
a
give
a
quick
background,
then
of
where
we
are
to
get
here.
N
N
We
went
through
a
process
identifying
that
it
was
in
a
flood
zone
which
is
ae
11.
Existing
finish
floor
is
designed
with
the
amount
of
work
being
proposed
to
be
done
there.
You
would
need
to
be
compliant,
which
would
mean
elevating
the
house
and
putting
concrete
foundation
under
it.
We
also
the
commission
talked
about
the
addition
to
the
rear
of
the
house
and
on
the
side
of
the
house
and
how
they
were.
N
Less
than
appropriate,
and
maybe
maybe
less
caseful,
and
if
we
might
be
able
to
address
those,
so
we
agreed
that
you
know
those
portions
of
the
house
would
likely
come
off
and
be
addressed
as
well.
We
also
had
a
list
of
modifications
that
basically
asking
you
know,
could
we
make
modifications
to
the
house
and
would
it
be
within
the
realm
of
possibility
and
we
had
a
list
of
items
we
went
through,
including
a
porch
around
the
front
that
wrapped
from
the
side
to
the
front,
we
go
over
the
bays
dormers.
N
On
the
second
floor
out
to
the
water,
we
had
a
whole
bunch
of
things
and
basically
all
the
items
were
not
out
of
the
the
realm
of
possibility,
but
the
commission
did
say
you
know,
drawings
would
be
needed
and
things
would
be
addressed
at
that
time.
N
So
what
we're
looking
to
do
is
is
make
the
house
fema
compliant.
Add
modifications
comply
with.
You
know
the
high
wind
building
code
and
the
current
building
code
that
exists
today.
All
with
a
home,
that's
historically
appropriate,
provides
more
more
historical
character
to
the
street.
Here
so
and
as
bill
mentioned,
we
were,
we
were
in
front
of
the
commission.
A
few
weeks
ago,
we've
taken
some
comments
into
consideration
and
made
some
adjustments,
and
so
we're
back
in
front
today.
M
Yeah
sure,
if
you
can
see
on
this
main
main
slide,
it's
just
a
description
of
what
we're
proposing
was
to
demolish
the
house
and
there's
a
little
garage
back
here
demolished
garage
and
reconstruct
the
house
to
match
the
existing
house
on
a
raised
foundation
with
additions
in
the
attached
garage
to
meet
fema
regulations,
the
connecticut
building
code
and
the
town
of
groton.
M
There's
also,
we
want
to
add
an
accessory
dwelling
unit,
a
dwelling
unit.
That's
that's
weight
on
the
west
side
of
the
lot
you
couldn't
see
from
the
water
here
and
then
also
add
an
in-ground
swimming
pool
behind
the
house
and
necessary
fences
and
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
when
we
used,
we
were
saying
reconstruct
to
match
existing.
M
I
think
we
said
remove
the
house,
but
in
a
sense
it's
demolished.
I
I
went
through
htc
code
and
and
or
the
commission
rules,
and
you
know
we
we
are
required
to
describe
why
we
want
to
actually
demolish
a
house
that
there's
no
prudent
alternative,
but
to
get
you
to
where
we
are
just
the
house
is
in
the
middle.
That's
where
we
started
and
the
first
thing
we
always
do,
is
we
pull
up
the
fema.
M
You
know
so
the
next
thing
is
you:
we,
we
got
an
a2
survey
and
we
see
that
the
first
floor
of
the
house
is
nine
feet
and
the
first
thing
fema
wants
is
the
first
floor
to
be
equal
to
the
base
flood
elevation
of
11.,
so
we're
two
feet
lower.
So
if
we
get
the
100
year
flood,
which
is
not
out
of
the
possibility,
the
way
things
are
going.
M
Water
would
be
two
feet
higher
than
the
floor
of
the
house.
Just
the
easy
thing
is:
go
back
here
and
we've
had
some
a
lot
of
dealings
with
fema.
Lately
I
don't
I
don't
know,
and
and
what
do
we
need
to
do
for
houses
and
they
have
a
table
in
this?
This
document
p
758
is
kind
of
their
bible
and
a
pre-firm
building.
That
means
before
the
flood
rate
maps
were
in
effect,
which
was
in
like
the
1960s.
M
I
think
you
know.
Obviously
this
is
pretty
firm.
It's
a
historic
house
and
if
we,
if
rehabilitation,
we
renovate
remodel
it
and
the
significant
improvement.
That
means
that
the
cost
of
the
work
is
more
than
50
of
the
cost
of
the
house
and
the
owner
would
do
such
significant
work
on
his
house.
We
definitely
would
have
significant
improvement,
basically
we're
required
to
rebuild
required
to
comply.
That
means
we
have
to
comply
to
the
flood
zone.
The
first
floor.
M
We
got
to
raise
the
house
basically
just
kind
of
seeing
the
picture
and
if
we
add
lateral
additions
and
renovate,
we
have
to
comply
with
the
code.
Now.
The
curious
thing
is:
if
we
just
let
the
building
there
and
waited
for
the
100
year
flood-
and
maybe
that
happens
two
years
from
now
and
and
the
building's
substantially
damaged.
If
we're
going
to
repair
that
damage,
we
have
to
rebuild
it
to
comply
to
code
anyway,
you
know
so
we're
going
to
raise
it
three
feet,
so
it
it
it
becomes
kind
of.
M
If
an
owner
now,
you
know,
is
gonna
put
substantial
investment
in
the
house.
Why
risk
having
losing
it
in
the
100
year
flood?
You
know,
and
the
whole
purpose
of
fema
is
to
if
you
build
this
way,
their
idea.
It's
strong
enough.
It's
protected
enough.
The
engineering's
thorough
enough
that
the
flood
water
will
come
up.
It'll
go
down
and
there'll
be
no
damage
to
the
house
and
you
walk
in.
You
know
it
it's
pretty
serious
construction.
M
Now,
it's
just
a
picture.
What
I'm
talking
about
before
the
base?
Flood
elevation
of
11
and
the
current
house
is
like
nine
down
here
below
this
would
not
comply
so
what
they
want.
If
you
do
substantial
improvement,
which
we're
doing
we
have
to
raise
the
house
on
a
higher
foundation,
so
it's
above
the
base
flood
elevation.
M
Basically,
that's
what
it
says
the
building
is
brought
into
compliance
by
elevating
it
on
a
perimeter
foundation,
wall
and
studying
flood
openings,
raising
hvac
equipment
heating.
All
that
stuff
onto
a
platform.
M
And
once
you
get
to
11
when
you
open
up
the
groton
zoning
regulations
in
order
to
reduce
their
flood
insurance,
they've
added
another
foot
to
the
requirement,
so
it
says
all
new
construction,
substantial
improvements,
repair
or
or
substantial
damage,
which
our
residential
structure
shall
have
the
bottom
of
the
lowest
floor,
including
the
basement,
elevated
one
foot
above
the
baseball
elevation.
So
basically
groton
says
the
floor.
Level
needs
to
be
at
12..
M
So
that's
where
you
you
get
to
raising
the
house,
our
ais
in
the
house
three
feet.
If
we
one
way
to
do
this,.
M
M
You
know
in
terms
of
maintaining
the
historic
relevance
of
all
the
structures
and
the
two
pictures
in
the
top
are
before
we
started
the
work
and
we
actually
got
approval
to
do
the
changes
we
wanted
and
when
we
got
it
out,
the
house,
the
framing
was
just
this
house
exist.
Must
it
was
kind
of
built
up
before
different
houses
and
their
balloon
framing
and
platform
framing
post
and
beam
and
boards,
and
it
looked
okay
outside
cosmetically,
maybe
but
inside
it
was
just
a
mess
structurally.
M
So
we
went
back
to
them
and
we
said
look
this
is
easier
to
tear
this
all
down.
We've
got
all
the
trim
measured,
we
got
the
building
measured
exactly
so.
We
be
rebuilt
reconstructed.
This
house
from
scratch.
Reactions
moved
back
three
or
four
feet
from
the
road
and
it
was
put
back
sort
of
exactly
in
the
shape
that
it
was.
So
that's
what
we
mean
by
match.
Existing
reconstruct
to
match
existing
it
will
look
in
its
building
dimensions.
M
In
this
case,
you
know
when
we
can
we
salvage
the
old
door
and
window
and
salvage
this
window
up
here,
and
these
are
actually
the
same
windows
and
doors
that
we
put
in,
but
these
windows
we
could
tell
from
the
inside
these
were
vinyl
replacement
windows.
They
were
smaller
than
likely.
Well,
we
could
see
from
the
framing
inside
the
original
windows
were
taller,
so
we
used
that
opportunity
to
bring
the
building
up
back
to
little
more
than
what
it
was.
M
But
you
know
the
owner
wanted
to
remove
the
center
fireplace
and
windows
walk
up
at
the
top,
and
you
know
minor
change.
We
dropped
the
window
here
and
put
some
windows
in
the
door
here,
but
this
is
what
we're
proposing
for
this
project.
These
words
to
us
mean
reconstructive
match
existing
is
the
duplication
of
the
building.
M
Now,
in
terms
of
tearing
it
apart,
we
have
to
deal
with
when
we're
redoing
the
building.
This
art
we
have
to
deal
with
interior
structural
requirements
for
high
wind
exposure.
M
This
is
what
we
need
to
do,
but
you
can't
see
you
know
it's
a
structure
inside
the
house.
Htc
would
not
be
concerned
whether
it's
platform
framing
or
balloon,
framing
or
post-it
being,
but
the
building
code
points
at
this
wood
frame
construction
manual-
you
know
which
we
built
here
and
what
we're?
What
we
need
to
resist
are
lots
of
really
hard,
very,
very
high
forces.
M
One
of
the
first
ones
is
when
the
flood
water
gets
up.
How
do
you
keep
the
foundation
walls
intact?
So
they
don't
crumble
in
as
the
water
is
rising.
You
can
put
some
flood
vents
in
here,
but
stone
walls
are
very
susceptible
to
undermining
between
joints
and
slipping,
so
it
makes
it
difficult
to
be
working
with
a
stone
foundation
in
a
flood
zone.
M
The
next
thing
we
have
to
accommodate
or
uplift
force
is
sort
of
the
airplane
wing.
The
wind's
going
over
the
house
down
on
the
river
with
open,
open
water
in
front
of
the
house.
We
get
into
very
high
winds
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
connectors
to
hold
the
roof
to
the
second
floor
and
hold
the
second
floor
to
the
first
floor
and
hold
the
first
floor
to
the
foundation.
M
When
you
get
down
the
foundation,
something
you
might
have
heard
about
foundation
bolts
that
bolt
through
the
sill
plates
you
know
into
the
foundation
and
that
forest
can
generate
not
unused
to
be
anywhere
from
100
to
300
pounds,
a
lineal
foot
so
over
a
20-foot
building,
that's
like
6
000
pounds
lifting
up
and
if
the
bolts
only
go
drill
down
into
the
top
stones,
they're
just
going
to
lift
right
off,
you
got
to
have
continuity
all
the
way
down
to
the
footings.
You
know
to
get
the
hole
down.
M
The
next
thing:
it's
a
real,
tough
one
to
design
to
a
sheer
force,
the
wind's
blowing
on
the
side
of
the
house
and
it's
racking.
Actually,
this
is
many.
Old
houses
are
susceptible
this.
You
can
actually
see
it
in
their
framing
because
they
just
don't
have
the
shear
walls
that
can
stay
square
and
you
know
and
the
building
gets
pushed
over.
You
know
again
high
forces
and
believe
it
or
not.
M
Those
four
forces
routinely
come
out
to
three
to
ten
thousand
pounds
per
per
bolt
and
as
soon
as
that
lifts
up,
then
you
get
the
flood
water
and,
and
I'm
just
for.
M
Give
you
some
idea
of
what's
involved.
These
are
the
level
of
details
that
would
be
for
a
house
that
you
know
this
house
we're
going
to
deal
with.
The
simple
ones
appear
to
be
the
roof
tie-downs,
the
rafter
tie-downs,
that's
pretty
normal
and
you
got
lateral
and
sheer
forces
here.
You
got
to
account
for
nailing
the
hard
one
is
tying
the
roof
to
the
wall.
M
The
bolts
are
uniquely
spaced
and
calculated
in
foundation,
bolts,
but
the
floor
is
you
can
frame
the
floors,
but
you
have
to
put
extra
blocking
around
the
perimeter
to
keep
them
square
so
to
speak
and
the
roof
bracing
you
put
all
the
rafters
up
and
they
need
blocking
also
to
stay
square,
got
big
window
openings.
M
The
second
floor
is
going
to
be
pulling
up
on
this
header,
so
you're
going
to
tie
those
down,
especially
I'm
not
making
this
up
calculator.
I
went
to
the
building
inspector
and
said
we
really
have
to
do
this.
Oh
yeah
yeah
and
then
I
remem,
I
mentioned
the
overturning
moments
in
the
corners.
You
get
these
big
simpson
tie-downs
with
these
bolts
and
you
come
down
to
the
table
and
you
can
see.
M
We've
got
the
sort
of
design
anywhere
from
5
000
to
11
000
pounds,
because
it's
the
second
floor
load
and
the
roof
lift
plus
the
first
floor.
Overturning
so
there's
a
lot
of
hardware.
Now
it
turns
out
all
this
works.
Well,
then,
all
the
walls-
they're
not
just
studs
you're
gonna,
have
all
this
horizontal
blocking
in
the
wall.
The
plywood
joints,
it's
all
the
stuff's
required
by
code.
You
know
and
the
structural
thing
so
for
this
house.
M
By
the
time
we
take
the
addition
of
the
old
ugly
edition
off
the
back,
and
you
know
rebuild
the
front
porch
and
you
know
bays
look
pretty
big
like
rebuild
the
bays
a
little
more
modestly.
You
know
that
there's
not
much
left
of
the
main
house
and
in
the
main
house.
If
we,
you
know,
if,
if
you
prove
dormers
on
there,
we're
reframing
the
entire
roof
anyway,
you
know
it's
all
new
wood.
We
moved
some
windows
around.
It's
all
new
wall
studs,
so
I
will
guarantee.
M
Well
I
mean
we:
we
had
these
same
requirements
at
ranowski's
property,
which
was
gravel
and
cliff
street
every
stud.
All
the
floors
were
new.
Every
rafter
had
a
sister
rafter
on
it.
Every
wall
stud
had
a
sister
stunt
on
it
and
we
put
plywood
over
the
blocking.
We
had
all
the
trim
off,
you
know
and
we
re-established
it,
there's
no
particular
reason
for
that
and
other
than
you
know
as
a
pretty
major
house
at
the
time
it
was
not
in
the
flood
zone.
M
M
So
it's
these
requirements
that
we're
saying
basically
for
the
piece
of
the
house
that
sort
of
stays
is
here
and
that
we
would
demolish
all
of
this,
build
a
higher
foundation
in
the
same
location
and
then
reframe
all
this
and
return
all
the
trim.
Now,
when
you
see
our
detailed
proposal,
all
of
the
trim
is
matching.
We
measure
all
the
existing
trim
and
and
and
salvage
what
we
can
off
the
door
here
and
you
know
maybe
some
of
the
columns,
but
that
is
the
reason
we're
recommending
or
suggesting
or
requesting.
M
We
would
like
to
demolish
the
building,
because
the
structural
requirements
to
meet
the
flood
and
wind
zones
are
so
high
that
we
just
prefer
to
re
reframe
it
and
have
it
look
exactly
like
this,
but
now
we
know
it's
all
new
construction
and
it's
going
to
be
there
for
another
100
years
likely
we
get
high
water
we'll
have
trouble
now.
M
If
we
were
doing
that
to
this
house,
I
would
say
yeah
we
would-
and
this
is
probably
an
elevation,
10
and
a
half
we
think
now
and
if
it
have
to
go
up,
maybe
a
foot
and
a
half
to
me
code
this
one
I
would
probably
jack
straight
up.
You
know
and
maybe,
if
need
be,
just
build
a
whole
new
foundation.
M
Underneath
it
and
lower
it
lower
it
down
clearly
this
this
is
a
more
intact
historic
house
than
than
this
to
us,
but
we're
not
saying
get
rid
of
this
and
build
whatever
we
want
we're
working
from
the
same
core
all
right.
So
let
me
switch
to.
M
Sound
of
silence,
okay
and
I
I
went
on
a
little
longer,
but
I
think
more
and
more
projects
are
going
to
come
to
you
with
this
kind
of
problem.
So
you
know
maybe
a
little
background
for
you
all
right.
So
we
start
with
the
same
picture
in
your
requirements.
You
want
to
see
houses
on
doesn't
help
me
to
point
at
the
screen.
You
want
to
see
that
two
houses
either
side
of
the
project
and
here's
the
project
and
what
we
put
it
out
in
march.
M
This
is
kind
of
the
low,
the
lowest
house
and
oh
they're,
pretty
low
over
here
at
tompkins
house,
but
you
know
relative
to
these
other
ones.
The
living
space
is
pretty
low.
This
is
kind
of
a
mess
back
here
this
house,
this
roof
back
here,
that's
actually
across
pearl
street.
It's
not
part
of
the
main
house
right
there,
but
this
is.
M
This
is
kind
of
awful
and
then
these
these
little
bays
really
protrude
in
a
weird
sense,
and
if
you
wonder
where
you
get
them,
you
just
have
to
look
over
here,
and
you
know:
here's
here's
some!
Actually,
these
these
have
even
more
windows
than
that,
so
basically
demolish
the
house
garage
reconstruct
match
to
meet
the
codes
accessory
dwelling
in
the
back
we'll
get
to
that.
So
this
is
the
existing
house
as
we
look
at
it.
Here's
that
flat
roof
edition
looks
a
little
a
little
crazy.
M
This
is
a
bit
steeper
than
you
might
find,
but
in
the
end-
and
we
kind
of
left
that
there's
a
nice
porch
here
from
the
back,
you
can
see
here's
this
flat
edition.
N
What
but
bill,
I
think,
we're
still
looking
at
the
first,
the
first
pdf
set.
M
How
do
I,
oh
all,
right.
M
We
only
got
one
slide
in
all
right,
so
I
just
mentioned
you:
you
want
to
see
pictures
on
two
size,
that's
that
guy,
so
here's
the
existing
house
and
these
really
protruding
bays
a
little
overpowering.
M
Well,
we
call
these
lots
of
different
things.
This
is
the
south
side
of
the
house.
This
is
the
north
side,
pretty
vanilla
with
some
little
windows
and
vents
stuck
in
over
time.
This
is
the
rear
of
the
house.
You
could
see
this
well,
you
can
see
this
from
pearl
street
almost
a
flat
roof,
just
in
terms
of
location,
here's
the
site
on
gravel
street
and
basically
site
plan.
You
want
to
see
the
house
two
houses,
two
properties
either
direction.
M
There
was
that
we
showed
the
site
plan,
the
elevations,
nine
here's
the
garage
over
here
and
the
dark
line's
the
house-
and
there
were
some
patios
where
these
light
lines
are.
M
There
are
some
steps
up
the
lawn
in
here
to
get
up
to
the
front
door.
So
what
are
we
proposing
if
the
the
dash
red
line
here
is
the
house
there?
There
were
patios
off
the
back.
That's
this
little
lighter
red
line,
but
this
is
the
existing
house
with
the
protruding
bays
and
the
dark
gray
is
our
rec,
our
proposed
house-
and
we
took
this
corner
right
here
and
we
rotated
so
that
this
wall
here
would
be
parallel
to
the
site
plan.
M
It
just
gave
us
another
foot
of
clearance
to
the
sideline
we
felt
that
was,
you
know
in
keeping
with
keeping
the
house
the
same
position,
but
eased
up
the
space
to
the
neighbor
a
little
bit.
If
you
can
see
from
the
gray
here
we
push
the
bays
back,
you
know
they.
Don't
they
don't
it'll.
Stick
out.
As
far
we
took
about,
looks
like
about
two
and
a
half
feet
out
of
the
depths
of
the
bays.
M
There
was
a
funny
little
jog
here
we
got
rid
of
that
and
then
we
just
sort
of
added
an
addition.
This
addition
we
made
a
little
longer
because
we
need
a
little
more
square
foot
main
house.
We
made
a
longer
a
little
longer
the
there's,
a
open
breezeway
with
a
roof
between
the
house-
and
this
is
the
garage
back
here.
It's
this
garage
with
a
walk-up
studio
at
the
top
a
little
half
bath.
M
It's
all
flood
proof
and
this
garage
now
fits
inside
the
setback
line.
So
the
old
garage
you
can
see
violated
the
side
yard
setback.
It
was
right
next
to
this
garage,
we're
still
more
or
less
in
line
with
the
garage
of
the
neighbor
and
the
house
is
pretty
much.
You
know
run
side
by
side.
This
is
accessory
dwelling
unit
we'll
talk
about
that
later,
but
you
come
up
to
drive
same
drive
that
we
have
now-
and
I
think
this
these
drives
are
about
11
feet
to
come
up
here.
M
You
could
pull
off
a
little
bit
next
to
breezeway
and
take
groceries
into
the
kitchen.
Otherwise
you
can
go
back
here,
come
around
and
there's
two
cars
parking
in
here
and
then
half
a
garage
for
equipment.
What
have
you
there's
a
generator
on
a
pad
back
here?
There's
the
pool
is
between
the
house
and
the
garage
there.
The
pool
equipment's
on
the
surface
inside
a
little
fence.
M
M
Well,
this
is
the
old
porch.
It's
the
same
position:
the
old
porch.
We
just
extended
the
roof
out
a
little
bit
to
come
across
to
create
a
roof
over
the
bays,
and
then
this
porch
patio
stone
patio
goes
out
to
here
to
some
stone
walls
and
down
steps
all
the
way
to
gravel.
M
There
is
a
from
about
here.
All
the
way
down
here
is
a
six
foot:
high
privacy,
six
foot,
high
privacy,
fen
wood
panel,
privacy
fence,
just
a
short
fence
here,
four
foot
for
pool
security
that'll
be
an
aluminum
bar
black
bar
when
it's
square
bars
here
here
and
here,
and
then
also.
We
need
four
foot
fence
here.
You
know
to
keep
kids
out
of
the
out
of
the
pool,
so
that's
kind
of
where
things
are
and
then
basically
with
our
rendering
and
photoshop
we're
able
to.
M
This
is
a
rendering
of
the
our
proposal
of
what
I
described
and
it's
been
adjusted
for
the
height
for
the
new
height
and
we're
still
lower
than
the
house
to
the
south
of
us.
But
this
floor
is
a
foot
and
a
half
higher
than
this
floor
over
here.
M
So
you
can
see
the
driveway
coming
in
here.
There
are
steps
here
now,
there's
a
stone
wall
here
now
a
little
30-inch
stone
wall.
You
go
up
steps
across
the
lawn
and
then
up
steps
onto
the
patio
here.
M
M
Instead
of
this
railing
right
here
in
the
front
of
the
porch,
we
have
a
stone.
Patio
comes
out
farther
in
a
little
slightly
different
kind
of
wall,
a
clap,
clapboard
wall
with
a
balustrade
on
top,
and
then
these
are
just
stone.
Walls
that
support
that,
and
we
have
a
stone
plant
planters
here
right
and
left
of
the
stair
go
back
to
that,
we'll
go
back
to
the
site
plan,
but
a
little
later
you
know
with
stone
walls,
natural
stone
walls
for
for
the
planters
and
you
sure
right.
M
They're,
just
out
on
the
grass
yeah
he
had
chairs
out,
we
didn't
they
didn't
they
sit
in
adirondack
chairs,
but
we
don't
have
a
model
at
our
object
chair,
so
we
just
put
them
there,
but
but
they
like
to
sit
out
there
in
the
summer.
Well,
here
they
are
up.
Those
are
the
chairs
that
was
not
put
in
for
the
picture.
That's
they
were
there
all
summer
and
they'd
go
out
and
sit
watch
the
river
so
well,
actually
to
get
a
basically
they're
here
on
the
grass.
J
M
So
you
can
see
this
kind
of
a
long
grass,
you
know
kind
of
sloping
up
level
and
then
on
up
to
the
patio
here
you
can
see
it's
a
little
more
obvious.
You
can
see
the
porch
roof
extended
out
over
the
bays.
M
The
bays
don't
have
that
straight
piece
that
went
back
the
fifth
window.
You
know
the
fifth
fourth
and
fifth
window.
The
existing
base
only
had
five
windows.
One
once
came
straight
out
angle,
angle,
angle,
then
straight
back,
so
we
got
rid
of
those
straight
out
ones.
That's
how
we
pushed
them
back
same
panels
at
the
bottom
of
the
base,
same
pile
asters
around
the
door.
We
kept
the
peaked
roof
here
in
the
middle
and
we
lowered
the
slope.
We
tried
this
one
time.
M
The
slope
was
higher
on
the
roof
and
you
couldn't
see
this
gutter
anymore
and
it
really
looked.
You
lost
all
the
personality
of
existing
house.
You
sort
of
need
to
see
this
front
gutter.
They
really
get
the
feel
for
the
original
house,
so
they
wanted
a
little
more
room
access
towards
the
river
views.
So,
by
putting
some
of
these
simple
shed
dormers,
these
are
actually
set
back
from
this.
A
little
bit,
you
know
allows
us
to
work
out
the
floor
plan
that
they
wanted
there.
M
If
you
really
get
into
well,
we'll
see
it
later.
There
really
is
kind
of
a
pattern.
Plywood
pattern,
wood
panel
up
here
above
the
windows-
and
this
is
shingles-
we're
showing
this
as
panels,
not
not
clapboards,
because
a
lot
of
the
front
of
the
existing
house-
it's
just
all
paneling
from
here
around
the
maze
and
the
pileaster-
there's
no
no
clapboards
on
here,
and
it
seemed
to
be
appropriate
to
have
paneling
up
here.
It
is
clapboards
on
the
side,
north
and
south,
as
as
is
the
current
house.
M
The
addition
is
still
here,
but
by
creating
a
like
a
two
foot
section
here,
we
could
have
a
steeper
roof.
It
looked
more
appropriate
fitting
with
the
main
house
intersection,
but
we
still
got
the
headroom
we
needed
for
the
second
floor
here
when
we
went
back
on
the
main
house,
this
ridge
got
a
little
higher
so
that
this
ridge
here
would
come
below
that
ridge.
M
We
didn't
want
it
to
stick
above
that
if
this
is
sort
of
what
you'll
see
in
the
garage
actually
from
the
ground,
you're
you're
never
gonna
be
able
to
see
the
garage
for
that,
but
let's
just
see
from
the
rear,
if
you
were
at
pearl
street.
Looking
up
this
is
the
garage
see
the
little
studio
up
here.
M
This
is
that
back
porch
on
the
house,
just
an
open,
porch
to
come
out
and
get
down
and
pool
and
sit
out
in
the
sun
and
barbecue
stuff
pool
equipment
here
generator
here.
Here's
the
six
foot
privacy
fence
along
the
edge.
You
can
see
that
through
here,
see
where
I
am
so.
This
would
be
one
of
the
key
drawings
that
we're
dealing
with
the
existing
house.
So
what
are
we
really
doing?
M
We're
raising
the
roof
for
the
rear
addition
and
then
make
sure
that
this
this
peak
coming
in
from
here
fell
below
that
ridge?
We
have
two
windows
here.
Instead
of
one
two
places,
we've
made
these
shed
dormers
on
either
side
of
that
we've
added
side
lights
to
the
front
door,
there's
a
front
door
over
the
side
lights,
but
we
still
will
see.
We
still
have
the
pilosters
on
either
side
and
we
extended
the
porch
roof
out
so
that
it
covered
the
base.
M
I
think
it
kind
of
helped
the
baits
go
away,
so
they
weren't
so
prominent.
We
reduced
the
size
of
the
bays
pushed
them
back.
M
This
railing
is
way
forward
to
the
house
near
the
front
garden
for
the
stone
patio,
and
basically
this
note
is
rebuild
the
house
on
a
raised
foundation
for
fema
town
of
groton
international
residential
code,
top
of
the
first
floor
base.
Flood
elevation,
plus
one
foot,
equals
12
feet.
That's
the
red
line,
that's
where
the
we're
proposing
to
put
the
first
floor
in
the
existing
top
floors
down
where
this
black
line
is
so
the
house
is
going
up
that
much
relatively
speaking,
the.
M
East
elevation
of
the
garage-
this
is
the
part
of
the
garage
facing
the
river
and
then
the
whole
south
elevation.
Next
to
the
neighbor
to
the
south.
The
driveway
comes
up
here:
we've
got
a
stone
veneer
foundation,
stone
veneer
around
the
planters,
here's
the
fence
going
to
the
pool
safety
fence,
four
foot
garage
here:
okay
and
then
this
is
the
north
elevation.
We
just
sort
of
cleaned
up.
The
windows
made
them
a
little
more
uniform
as
they
might
have
been.
M
You
know
in
a
cape
house
garage.
This
is
the
back
of
the
house,
because
the
garage
is
here.
You
really
can't
see
this
from
the
west
elevation
from
pearl
street,
but
from
pearl
street
you
potentially
could
see
the
front
of
the
garage
which
is
here
the
match
existing.
What
we've
done
is
documented
all
of
this
trim
and
sizes
corner
boards,
which
are
not
very
elaborate
on
the
house.
There's
actually
vinyl
vinyl,
siding
on
the
nails,
the
windows,
the
size
of
the
casing,
size
of
the
sills.
M
These
are
extra
thick.
That's
all
called
out
in
this
table
of
what
these
sizes
are
this
detail
here
we
call
the
rake
board.
It
would
be
detailed
like
this
with
it,
with
a
crown
molding
stepping
out
and
a
little
cove
molding
here
and
a
rake
right
board
in
here,
and
this
doesn't
show-
I
don't
know
if
you
there
is,
maybe
I
can
zoom
in
on
this.
M
The
main
eaves
have
a
wooden
gutter
in
and
I
going
through
htc
documentation.
You
know
the
1994
book
where
it
really.
I
recall
this
now
really
was.
If
there
were
wooden
gutters
just
leave
them
there,
you
can
cover
them
up
put
in
other.
You
could
hang
aluminum
gutters
out
here,
and
I
think
our
best
thing
is
to
rebuild
this
with
wooden
gutters.
M
I
there
was
a
question
asked
a
month
ago.
How
do
you
keep
this
from
looking
like
a
new
house
and
and
that's
the
kind
of
thing
you
have,
because
the
curves
on
the
front
of
a
wood
gutter
are
not
like
anything
like
aluminum
gutter
and
not
particularly
like
a
crown
molding
either.
So
I
I
when
we
go
to
public
hearing,
this
will
be
a
real
wooden
gutter
detail
to
go
with
with
the
roof
that
the
windows
anderson,
a
series.
M
Part
of
that
is
that's
about
the
only
I
won't
say
the
only
thing
you
can
get
these
days,
but
the
the
aluminum
clad
wooden
ones
are
50
weeks,
five
zero
weeks
out
from
ordering,
so
it's
pretty
crazy,
but
for
now
the
a
series
have
the
mutton
bar
inside
outside
the
spacer,
which
we
like
and
a
relatively
narrow
mutton
bar,
which
you
know
is
more
with
the
historic
keeping
of
the
building.
M
Remember
I
talked
about
the
eve
this
crossed
hatch
panel
above
the
windows.
Now,
actually
we
do.
We
are
suggesting
just
straight
edge.
M
Shingles
here
instead
of
the
sawtooth
shingle
seems
to
be
like
a
little
too
much
overcooking
a
little
bit
we're
showing
here's
the
door
unit
with
with
a
transom
with
side
lights
and
see
these
pilasters
here
they're.
I
I
think
we
can
salvage
these.
That's
that
would
be.
The
thing
to
do
is
just
to
pull
them
off
the
house
as
we're
you
know,
demoing
it
and
then
just
remount
them
on
the
door.
M
I
suspect
the
columns
we'd
probably
be
better
off
going
with
fiberglass,
so
because
a
lot
of
we'll
find
out
what
condition
these
are
in.
But
if
they're,
rotted
and
stuff
fiberglasses
make
sure
we
get
the
same
taper,
because
these
are
tapered
doric
style
and
then
the
key
to
the
railings
is
to
use
if
we
can
make
it
out
of
pvc,
but
we
would
definitely
paint
it
prime,
it
and
paint
it
because
just
the
straight
edge
that
just
looks
a
little
plastic.
M
These
are
details
of
the
stone
steps.
Remember
we
had
that
raised
patio
with
a
planter
and
front
and
stone.
This
is
where
the
rocking
chairs
were
so
rocking
chairs
planter
wall
about
two
feed
plants
go
up.
Another
two
feet
this
railing
assembly,
which
is
this
on
top
of
the
wall,
and
this
this
is
the
front
porch
and
then
for
the
foundation.
M
We'd
bring
the
skirt
board
out
a
little
bit
on
blocking,
and
then
we
can
use
a
stone
veneer,
a
an
actual
stone
veneer
cut.
You
know
about
inch
and
a
quarter
looks
like
this.
This
is
a
delgado,
thin,
stone,
connecticut
mosaic
pattern,
and
I've
just
learned
that
you
know
by
getting
connecticut
you're
getting
the
colors
of
the
granite
in
connecticut,
which
tend
to
be
blues
and
browns
and
grays.
M
M
This
has
to
be
up
at
12
at
the
bottom
of
the
the
scenery
has
to
be
12
feet,
above
so
in
the
pictures.
It's
on
a
platform,
the
stone
wall
by
the
walkway.
This
is
the
road
stuff.
M
No,
the
elevation
has
to
be
12
feet.
The
grade's
gonna
be
eight
feet
in
that
area,
so
it'll
be
four
feet
on
a
stand
from
grass.
It'll
go
up
four
feet
on
the
stand,
and
then
the
generator
will
be
up
on
top
of
that.
M
What's
behind
the
garage,
you
know
way
midway
down
the
lot
pretty
hard
to
see
from
any
place
down
by
the
street.
What
what
we'd
like
and
maybe
out
of
the
old
house
there
might
be
tip
up
flat
stones,
big
granite
flat
stones
for
these
low
walls,
which
you
see
along
gravel
street.
M
You
know
with
with
more
of
a
rubble,
set
well
granite,
but
you
know
in
different
shapes
underneath
that
so
that's
the
steps
off
of
there.
You
can
ignore
this
escape
up.
Until
this
afternoon
there
was
a
gate
on
the
driveway,
and
now
it's
just
going
to
be
a
chain.
M
This
is
the
privacy
fence.
Six
foot
high
we're
talking
the
north
boundary.
M
And
on
the
driveways,
what
we're
using
would
be
a
belgian
block
pattern
with
permeable
pavers
water
can
we're
really
trying
to
control
the
water?
That's
running
down
the
drives,
so
it
doesn't
run
down
the
drives
into
the
street
and
when
we'll
get
to
the
guest
house,
there's
rain
gardens
to
pick
up
the
water
and
hold
it.
M
You
know
for
their
first
first
deluge
of
rain
and
then
lose
the
blue
stones
for
around
the
pool
and
walkways
and
there's
more
walkways
in
the
guest
house
we'll
go
through
that
we'll
go
through
them
just
because
the
applications
need
them.
There's
the
first
floor
here
you
can
come
in
from
the
street
patio
or
grassy
area
up
the
steps.
M
M
Now
the
I'll
get
into
the
guest
house
probably
worth
taking
a
pause
here
to
see.
If
you
have
any
questions
on
what
I
presented,
what
we
presented
so
far.
I
No,
I
just
have
one
comment.
I
think
you've
done
a
fabulous
job
so
far.
I
have
one
criticism
and
it's
just
the
veneer
on
the
foundation.
I
just
I
wish
I
could
see
it
a
little
bigger
or
see
it
in
context
with
the
surrounding
homes
or
something,
but
that's
the
only
thing
that
throws
me
off.
Otherwise,
I
think
you've
done
an
excellent
job.
M
Okay,
well,
we
I
know,
there's
a
house
on
nations
island.
We
use
this
veneer
on.
We
could
get
some
pictures.
Maybe
some
samples.
M
Sure,
okay,
yep!
No!
I
I
appreciate
that
yep.
So
I
can
go
to
the
guest
house
or
dwelling
accessory
drawing
unit.
That's
back
here
in
in
groton.
We're
allowed
to
build
an
accessory
dwelling
unit,
that's
no
greater
than
800
square
feet,
measured
from
the
interior
of
the
walls.
M
So
this
little
gray
area
is
is
that
it's
really
just
sort
of
one
big
open
living
area
with
one
bedroom
and
a
bath
and
closet
and
the
key
was
it
faces
pearl
street,
even
though
the
address
says
grandpa
doesn't
help
me
to
wave
my
hand,
even
though
the
address
is
gravel
street.
So
we're
really
dealing
with
a
house
that
appears
to
be
built
and
facing
pearl
street.
M
And
so
what
we
have
last
time
we
had
a
parking
space
here
in
the
middle
and
we
sort
of
took
the
advice
that
yeah.
Maybe
we
got
a
little
too
much
paving
here
too
many
cars,
so
we
got
rid
of
that
parking
space.
M
These
areas
down
here
between
this
house
will
be
lower
than
this
sidewalk
and
create
rain
gardens.
So
when
it
rains
some
of
the
gutter
drainage
can
be
brought
out
here
and
and
put
in
these
mini
lakes.
So
to
speak,
you
know
during
the
rain
and
they
have
the
kind
of
plants
and
and
shrubs,
and
you
know
like
wet
feet
and
what
was
it
probably
a
month
and
a
half
ago
water
when
pearl
street
flooded
it?
M
It
probably
got
up
here
on
the
sidewalk,
but
there's
about
a
six
inch
granite
curb
here
and
it
didn't
get
over
the
curb
that
we
could
tell.
So
it's
not
unusual
to
get
seasonal
water
like
right
here
so
so
drainage
is
the
problem.
We
don't
want
to
dump
a
lot
more
water
onto
onto
pearl
street.
M
So
this
was
this
is
a
we
reworked
the
front
elevation
and
we
had
some
stone
pillars
we
removed
and
we
had
sort
of
a
walk
out
basement
here,
kind
of
a
summer,
kitchen
and
and
that
wasn't
quite
to
to
everybody's
liking.
So
we've
created
a
sort
of
a
level
yard
up
here.
It's
about
elevation,
eight
feet
because
the
floor
is
going
to
be
12
feet.
So
this
is
elevation
eight
and
it
comes
out
relatively
flat
to
about
a
30
34
inch
stone
wall.
M
You
know
real
stone
with
steps
to
come
up
here.
You
see
it
from
here.
You
come
up,
come
from
the
walkway,
walk
up
up
steps
and
up
these
steps
into
the
house,
kitchen's
right
there,
which
is
good
or
you
can
go
to
the
right
and
you
go
go
around
the
house
and-
and
you
know
into
here-
I'm
gonna
back
up
to
the
site
plan
to
show
this
house
next
door
is
right
on
the
line.
M
So
when
I
said
you
were
coming
up
this
walkway
and
we
just
walked
back
here
level-
and
we
have
a
raised
deck
back
here-
that
we'll
see
which
is
really
oriented
more
more,
to
look,
look
down
this
alleyway
to
the
to
the
water,
and
then
this
porch
come
out
the
front
porch
down
here
and
down
and
here's
that
retaining
wall
and
then
the
grating.
M
These
are
the
rain
gardens
down
here
across
the
front,
you
saw
that
there
was
a
little
white
picket
fence-
that's
very
similar
fences
that
are
around
this
house
here.
Oh
I
missed
it.
This
house
here
they
have
sort
of
the
square
picket
fence.
The
idea
is,
is
that
we
sort
of
maintain
that
you
can't
well.
Actually
you
see
it.
Here's
this
this
granite
curve
that
runs
underneath
here,
so
we're
going
to
keep
that
and
then
put
a
30
inch,
picket
fence
on
top
of
that.
M
M
If
you
go
around
the
back
of
this,
which
you
really
can't
particularly
see
from
anywhere,
but
here's
that
porch
in
the
back
walkway
coming
around
the
back-
and
it
just
helps
to
understand
you
know
how
how
this
stuff's
working
and
front
elevation
when
we
were
here
a
couple
of
weeks
ago.
We
didn't
have
this
peak
here
and
this
front
roof,
and
it
just
didn't
look
like
any
anything
that
would
be
on
pearl
street.
So
we
kind
of
developed
this
as
a
crossing
peak.
M
East
elevation,
the
north
elevation,
the
neighborhood,
see
this
and
pretty
much
the
same
details
on
the
main
house
now
in
this
case
we
well,
I
don't
know
what
yeah,
maybe
we
do
the
wood
wooden
gutters
also,
I
I
think
it'll
give
it
that
soft
feeling
at
the
eaves
that
a
lot
of
historic
houses
have
same
rank
boards
same
stone,
veneer
same
railing
on
the
porch
same
windows,
pretty
much
the
same
trim
package
and
the
floor
plans
required
so
gonna
feel
for
that
is
that
excuse
me
any
questions
on
that.
O
Sure
yeah
there's
just
one
minor
point:
if
you
show
the
things
the
rendering
of
the
front
of
the
pearl
house
as
we're
calling
it
if
we
adjusted
the
commission
is
we
had
fiddled
around
with
different
with
and
without
picket
fence,
and
that
at
one
point
we
removed
the
granite
posts
next
to
the
driveway
with
the
picket
fence.
Those
would
be
also
along
the
driveway
similar
to
the
walkway
on
the
bottom
right
picture.
M
M
Something
to
hold
the
chain
to
keep
people
from
turning
in
the
driveway,
and
then
we
were
showing
kind
of
a
little
more
of
a
decorative
railing
rather
than
the
straight
balustrade
here.
So
that
was
so
perfect
and
then
you
know
we
liked
the
solid
panels
rather
than
an
open
lattice,
because
you're
kind
of
eyeball,
looking
straight
into
that,
you
know
instead
of
a
lower
porch,
it's
up
the
hill
from
you
a
little
bit.
G
J
Can
you
address
how
you've
improved
the
the
drain,
drainage
and
issue
that
we
brought
up
that
so
much
ground
cover
was
being
covered
as
opposed
to?
What's
there
now.
P
This
right,
so
the
the
site
is
relatively
flat,
but
there
is
some
some
pitch
and
what
what
we're
looking
at
doing
is
is
pitching
wherever
possible
into
rain
gardens
and
the
the
the
two
that
bill
has
explained
out
on
pearl
street
would
be,
would
be
the
the
most
obvious
ones
that
capture
a
good
part
of
the
of
the
property.
I
mean
the
high
points
at
the
new
garage
and
it
drains
drains
towards
pearl
street.
So
we
can.
P
We
can
really
absorb
quite
a
bit
in
those
rain
gardens
and
with
permeable
pavers,
which
we
talked
about
it.
The
last
time
I
was
before
you,
but
you
may
have
seen
those
on
other
applications
or
other
places.
You
know
they're
they're
pavers,
with
wider
joints
and
lugs
that
keep
them
tight
and
and
then
under
the
pavers.
P
You
install
like
a
12-inch
bed
of
of
grated
aggregate,
clean
aggregate
that
can
absorb
quite
a
bit
of
water
and
also
have
load
bearing
capacity
for
vehicles
and
that
allows
water
that
just
falls
on
the
you
know:
rain
water
onto
the
pavement
to
be
absorbed
before
it
runs
off
and
since,
since
the
site's
relatively
flat,
it
helps
hold
the
water
in.
You
know
on
the
pavers
until
it
absorbs
so
those
kinds
of
pavers
don't
work
as
well
as
steeper
sites
because
it
tends
to
run
before
it
can
be
absorbed.
P
But
here
we
have
a
really
textbook
case
study
of
where
permeable
pavers
were
designed
to
be
in
employed,
and
that
is
on
relatively
flat
site.
So
it
should
work.
It
should
work
really
well,
so
we
should
be
able
to
absorb
quite
a
bit.
P
You
know
the
the
the
kind
of
the
gold
sander
is
to
absorb
one,
the
first
inch
in
a
storm
and
that's
the
water
that
causes
the
most
trouble
because
it
has
pollutants
in
it
and
that
sort
of
thing,
and
so
so
so
we
feel
pretty
good
about
the
capacity
to
absorb
water
here,
and
you
know
it
may
not
be
as
good
as
the
the
undeveloped
site
today,
which
has
a
lot
of
open
lawn
on
it.
But
it's
it's.
P
J
P
And
also
also
note
that
the
existing
driveway
on
the
site
today
is
is
impervious
asphalt
and
that
water
runs
straight
down
onto
gravel
street,
and
you
know
with
the
with
the
pavers
that
we're
proposing
you'll
get
less
water
onto
gravel
street
than
you
do
today
of
being
here.
M
P
Higher
lawn
here
right,
I
was
just.
I
was
just
thinking
that
we
would
also
talk
about
that,
but
you
know
we're
we'll
we'll
also
run
the
roof
water
downspouts.
You
know
leaders
into
infiltrators.
As
long
as
we
have
you
know
enough
depth
above
water
table,
we'll
definitely
also
be
doing
infiltrators.
P
L
Hey
bill,
I
I
have
a
question.
I
want
to
clarify
something
you
said
earlier,
so
it
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
it
seemed
like
you.
You
said
the
next
100-year
flood
could
take
this
house
out.
So
you
know
doing
this
now
is
being
proactive
rather
than
reactive.
Did
I
understand
that
comment
correctly.
Yeah.
M
L
M
It's
based
on
that's
a
good
question
and
you
know
the
house
is:
I
mean
the
usual
number
is
oh:
it
stood
through
the
38
hurricane.
Well,
let's
see
it's
been
almost
90
years
since
the
hurricane
we
have
these
wooden
studs
with
board
siding.
You
know,
maybe
one
by
eight
boards
or
something
nailed
in
with
square
iron
nails
and
if
you've
ever
renovated
a
house
you
find
out
ooh.
Those
boards
are
kind
of
loose
on
that
those
nails
have
been
rusting.
M
I
M
I
Many
many
many
of
these
houses
in
town
have
withstood
many
storms
and
having
renovated
many
historic
homes.
I
can
tell
you
a
lot
of
them
are
still
in
pretty
darn
good
shape.
Yeah.
M
I
So
I
think
to
john's
point:
I'm
not
really
sure
that
saying
it's
gonna,
this
is
gonna,
suddenly
save
it
or
or
cause
it
to
be
saved
in
the
next
storm
is
necessarily
logical,
because
if
you
look
at
the
storm
impacts
on
a
lot
of
coastal
towns,
it's
the
new
constructions
that
end
up
getting
wiped
out,
not
the
old
constructions.
Well,.
M
I
E
L
I
M
I
I
don't
necessarily
disagree,
I
mean,
like
I
said
I
think
you've
done
a
fabulous
job
and
I
think
it's
a
very
appealing
and
beautiful
house.
I
just
this
is
a
very
large
change
for
a
piece
of
property
located
on
a
prominent
street,
and
I
just
think
that
at
john's
point
I
think
it's
a
lot
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
approving
it
for
the
correct
reasons.
O
Hey,
I
can't
just
jump
in
real
quick.
If
I
may,
I
I
hear
you
and
frankly,
as
you
know,
I
don't
think
it's
going
anywhere
necessarily
with
the
next
flood,
the
threshold
for
substantial
improvement
on
this
house.
If
you
look
at
the
streetcar
is
140
000..
O
If,
if
even
the
minor
changes
that
were,
were
you
know
the
the
vinyl
siding
to
a
kitchen
and
a
couple
bathrooms,
and
if
I
understand
it
correctly,
it's
140
000
period,
it's
not
like
every
year,
you
can
do
something
which
you
can
on
the
other
side
of
the
river.
I
believe
it's
not
a
practical
thing.
O
I
invite
anyone
to
walk
around
the
house
anytime,
you
walk
in
it,
walk
in
the
base,
do
whatever
you
want
to
do
so
if
it's
over
140
000
and
it's
not
raised
your
turn-
were
rebuilt
for
that
matter.
You're
talking
about
having
to
put
flood
vents
into
the
main
house,
all
utilities.
O
On
the
second
floor,
including
you
know,
you're
redoing,
all
that
you're
just
continuing
to
continue
to
continue
and
then
at
that
point
as
well,
you
have
to
make
it
all
compliant
to
the
to
the
excuse
me,
the
flood
zoning.
You
know
the
rest
of
the
female
requirements,
the
wind,
in
which
case
you're,
taking
every
stud
down
and
replacing
them
anyway.
So
when
you
keep
getting
further
and
further,
the
rebuild
you
know,
from
my
perspective
is,
is
only
practical.
O
You
know
reasonable
thing.
You're
gonna,
take
the
vinyl
siding
off
and
have
lead.
You
know
lead
painted
clapboard
windows,
it
all
gets
replaced.
On
top
of
that,
my
view
of
this,
I
know
it's
a
it's
a
major
change.
It's
not
gonna,
be
the
first
probably,
and
I
think
it's
a
massive
opportunity,
not
not
a
problem.
It
could
be
a
beacon
for
for
the
historic
commission
for
the
water
views
for
gravel
for
pearl.
It's
really
a
win-win.
O
As
far
as
I'm
concerned
for
everyone,
the
only
loss
here
is,
if
nothing
happens,
and
it
sits
and
continues
to
rot
and
it's
a
weekend
place,
and
you
know
not.
Everybody's
gonna
have
the
means
to
come
in
and
do
this
and
you're
gonna
be
left
with
what
looks
terrible
from
the
river
for
the
tourists
on
the
on
the
boats.
So
you
know,
if
you
look
at
it
five
years
and
10
years
from
now,
even
and
not
just
40
or
100,
it's
a
massive
improvement
from
friday.
So
that's
all.
I
have
to
say.
L
L
I
Right
but
I
think
what
john's
saying
is
that
not
necessarily
like
just
taking
the
houses
itself
with
the
house
with
the
garage
with
the
pool
with
the
accessory
structure,
while
it's
all
allowed-
and
I
understand
it-
you're
also
changing
a
property
that
hasn't
historically
changed
in
a
long
period
of
time
and
suddenly
revamping
that
entire
property
and
as
someone
that
just
did
that
I'm
a
little
jaded
and
also
a
little
bit
kind
of
back
and
forth
in
my
thoughts.
But
we
did
it
in
a
commercial
property.
This
was
in
a
residential
area.
M
It
is
that
is
true,
and
you
know,
like
my
house,
I
live
up
on
high
street
1834
when
it
was
built.
You
know,
and
then
I
I
hit,
because
it
was
something
carved
into
woodwork
1878
they
put
an
audition
on
the
back,
you
know
and
then
I'm
not
sure
when
you
know
I
put
a
decorative
porch
in
the
front
and
then
in
the
70s
I
put
a
garage
next
to
it,
you
know,
and
then
in
the
80s
I
you
know
I
connected
it.
I
mean
that
was
sort
of
the
issue
with
hdc.
M
Is
that
people
live
and
keep
changing?
You
know
these
houses,
so
the
question
is:
when
what
you
know
the
owner
wants
to
do
something
for
his
property.
How
would
he
do
it?
What
is
it
appropriate?
What
he's
proposing
to
do
scope
is
not
really
the
issue
you
know
the
owner
may
want
to.
You
know
he
should
be
allowed
to
do
whatever
scope
he
needs,
but
of
course
the
purpose
of
htc
is.
Is
it
appropriate
in
its
look,
so
to
speak?.
I
You
just
described
those
organic
change,
I
mean,
while
it's
it's
also
the
aesthetics.
It's
also,
if
you
read
through
the
handbook
which
we
all
have
there's
more
about
keeping
in
the
neighborhood
keeping
the
character,
I
think
in
certain
situations
it's
more
appropriate
than
less.
I'm
not
I'll,
be
honest
with
you.
I'm
not
necessarily
disagreeing
with
your
plan.
I'm
just
saying
that
as
someone
also
who
lives
up
on
roland
street
in
a
house
from
1880-
and
I
have
the
same
story,
you
do
someone
added
a
porch
on
the
front
of
my
house
in
1905.
I
someone
added
the
addition
on
in
1920,
whatever
it
was
on
the
back
I
mean
there's
been
a
lot
of
change.
I've
done
my
own
change,
but
that's
part
of
a
neighborhood
in
the
fabric
of
it.
Here
I
look
at
this
and
I
look
at
this
looks
like
a
rental
compound.
I
don't
know
just
looks
out
of
scope.
It's
like
you.
I
You
just
put
a
lot
on
a
property
you
know
and
if,
if
the
owner,
mr
ken,
if
you're
saying
you
know
I'm
coming
in-
and
this
is
my
family
home
and
my
kids
are
going
to
come
visit
whatever-
and
you
know
this
place
is
falling
down,
which
I
don't
yes,
I
disagree
with.
It
seems
more
reasonable
than
not,
if
you're
doing
this
change
to
just
redo
the
entire
property.
M
M
You
know
what
to
replace
the
the
upper
one,
and
certainly
you
know
we're
not
coming
in
to
replace
we're
just
saying
this
would.
A
I
But
that
isn't
just
the
view
you
see-
and
I
think
you
and
I
fought
over
the
sight
lines
relative
to
the
property
down
the
street,
that
your
rendition
of
what
the
sight
lines
were.
I
think
it
was
you
I'm
sorry.
It
could
have
been
someone
else
in
your
firm
but
was
completely
inaccurate
of
what
actually
got
done
in
the
end.
I
So
what
I'm
saying
is
when
you
open
this
thing
up
and
you
open
it
up
to
the
neighbors
you're,
going
to
see
a
lot
more
of
this
property,
the
neighbors
are
going
to
see
it
through
their
homes,
their
visitors,
on
their
decks.
I
mean
the
town's
going
to
see
it.
It's
it's
just
a
dramatic
change
in
all
in
one
shot
to
this
one
property,
you're
maximizing
the
amount
you
can
put
on
it
and
I'm
just
not
sure
it's
appropriate
relative
to
the
other
properties
on
the
street.
M
I
don't
know
this
is
this
is
what
you
see
down
the
drive
now
this
that's
going
to
be
the
same
side
wall
a
little
longer.
You
know,
so
it's
six
feet
longer
here
in
the
back.
P
J
Ask
ryan
for
the
percentage
of
covering
the
lot,
even
though
I
know
it's
their
permeable
papers.
Do
you
comply
with
the
how
much
you
can
cover
on
this
lot?
I
don't
have
those
numbers
off
I'm
at
the
airport.
I
can't
look
them
up
how
much
you
can
on
this
lot.
P
P
I
I
don't,
I
don't
think
that
where
I
don't
think
we
exceed
it,
but
what
I
wanted
bill,
what
I
wanted
you
to
do,
if
you
could
go
back
to
the
site
plan
the
overall
site
plan,
please
yeah
that
one
anyone
will
any
of
them
will
do
that
that
one
works
right,
and
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
this
property
is-
is
really
the
outlier
in
the
neighborhood,
because,
with
respect
to
the
the
pattern
of
of
gravel
and
pearl
and
star
street,
this
one
is
the
outlier
and
that
the
the
the
piece
of
the
lot
on
pearl
street
is
empty,
whereas
every
other
every
other
piece
it's.
P
It
was
subdivided
at
some
point
and
there's
a
house
there,
and
when
you
look
at
this
view,
you
see
that
the
the
main
house,
the
garage
and
the
accessory
dwelling
match
up
with
the
other
properties.
The
difference
is.
This
is
a
single
property,
not
not
two,
but
in
in
terms
of
the
the
the
figure
ground
you
know
the
building
to
open
space,
we're
basically
just
matching
up
with
with
the
contacts
and
we're
and
we're
in
filling
a
gap
on
the
pearl
street
frontage.
P
J
Yeah
because
I
live
on
pearl
street,
it's
the
only
lot.
That
goes
all
the
way
through
that
hasn't
been
built
up
on
the
back.
That's
not
my
concern
my
concern
and
I
think
the
houses
are
appropriate
and
I
don't
I
do
think
you
know
most
of
those
houses
have
the
garage.
I
I
think
that's
fine,
but
I
think
with
all
the
pavers
and
the
drive
and
and
the
pool
and
the
houses
and
the
garage
and
the
additional
that
there's
so
little
like
grass
left
that
that's
what's
kind
of
concerning.
I
J
I
L
L
You
know
I,
the
the
owner
knew
all
that
when
he
purchased
it
so
to
now
kind
of
come
and
say
hey,
it's
got
problems.
Well,
you
knew
it
when
you
purchased
it,
that's
what
you
were
buying
and
and
to
me
that's
that's
not
a
reason
to
demolish
your
word.
My
word
destroy
a
historic
home.
It's
it's!
I
think
it
says
it's
a
very
bad
precedent.
Actually.
I
O
Okay,
I
cannot
comment
I've
sat
here,
sort
of
patiently
listening,
I'm
the
owner
dan
grace
you're
right
about
that
comment.
There
was
the
house
we
did
come
to
the
historic
commission
while
the
house
was
on
deposit,
I'm
not
sure
if
they're
the
gentleman
knew
that
I've
heard
some
of
the
commission
call
it.
You
know
the
quote:
you
know
abortion
of
additions
as
it
were,
and
there
is
zero
motivation
to
rent
anything
I'll
start
there.
O
The
the
zoning
rules,
the
accessory
building
require
residential
and
one
we're
only
renting
one
of
them.
So
this
isn't
a
developmental
thing
for
me.
We
fully
intend
for
this
to
be
a
residential
space
for
my
wife
and
I,
my
kids,
are
both
in
graduating
high
school
one's,
a
junior
which
we
wanted
a
little
sort
of
compound,
so
to
speak
for
the
family.
For
friends,
I
see
them
as
two
distinct
separate
things.
O
If
you
look
at
the
lot
right
next
to
us
and
take
that
from
gravel
street
back
there's
more
of
a
mishmash
of
stuff,
including
things,
you
know
right
on
top
of
the
zoning
lines
and
the
setbacks
right
in
here,
everything-
and
I
don't
understand
any
comments
regarding
papers
or
or
stuff
we
try
to
agree.
I
mean
the
purview
of
the
commission,
as
I
understand
is
what
you
can
see
from
each
street,
what
you
can
see
from,
or
the
scope
of
it,
it's
not
really
relevant.
O
What
you
can
see
from
pearl
right
now
is
the
back
of
a
vinyl
sided.
You
know
show
basically
with
the
garage
as
well.
What
you
can
see
from
gravel
is
a
dilapidated
house
which
is
going
to
stay
dilapidated
forever
forever
from
here
on
out,
because
remodeling.
That
house
is
not
a
practical
thing
for
anyone,
so
I
sell
it,
it
sits
there
and
it
gets
rotten
like
it
was
when
I
bought
it,
which
is
precisely
why
I
came
to
the
historic
commission
saying:
hey:
are
we
going
to
be
able
to?
O
You
know,
maybe
take
off
these
huge
bays
and
and
set
them
back
and
remove
it?
We
talked
about
lifting
the
house
or
possibly
rebuilding
it.
Then
the
stonington
property
was
in
that
presentation.
So
I'm
not
saying
or
sure
I
could
have
not
bought
it.
I
agree
there
was
no
vote.
There
was
no
acceptance
of
it.
Nothing
like
that,
but
but
but
from
my
perspective
as
a
resident,
whatever
I'm
not
going
to
want
to
do
this
twice.
O
I
did
this
here
at
my
house
in
old
sabre
and
you
come
back
and
re-excavate
the
whole
thing
five
years
later
for
the
accessory
building
is
completely
insane
as
well,
because
now
you
got
water,
you
got
mud,
you
got
the
whole
thing
happening
all
over
again.
So
as
soon
as
I
did
this,
I
said
I
want
to
do
this
whole
thing
at
once,
because
it
would
be
a
disaster
to
try
to
do
it
twice.
O
O
Maybe
we
should
just
treat
this
as
two
different
applications,
because
really
it
is,
I
suppose,
although
it's
one
lot,
you
know
yeah,
it
looks
like
I
get
it,
but
if
you
sort
of
break
it
down,
it's
just
separate
pieces,
you
know
call
it
two
applications
in
your
mind,
but
visually
from
both
streets
and
what
you
can
see
from
the
streets.
O
You
know,
I
I
think,
we've
you
know,
checked
a
lot
of
boxes.
I
mean
we've
gone
through
this
and
if
you
are
going
to
raise
it,
you
can't
have
some.
You
know
12
foot
porch
with
a
bunch
of
lattice
under
it,
so
we
brought
the
things
up
with
landscaping,
put
a
patio
in
front.
So
it
wasn't
this
big
brand
new
front
porch.
You
know
going
across
the
whole
thing
with
columns
everywhere.
O
Okay,
a
couple
shed
dormers.
You
know
yeah
if
there's
comments,
but
I've
tried
to
go
over
this
a
hundred
times
about
alternatives,
and
I
don't
have
one
so
if
someone
else
wants
to
start
talking
about
alternatives,
I'm
happy
to
listen
to
them
and,
like
I
said,
just
walk
around
the
house
and
see
how
blown
in
foam
insulation
is
on
the
exterior
of
the
house,
where
there's
rotting,
wood,
eventually
you're
going
to
end
up
with
a
with
a
newly
constructed
house,
one
where
you.
G
G
Houses
in
this
in
the
historic
district
we
have
old
houses.
I
think
that
brian's
comment
about
the
symmetry
on
pearl
street
and
water
street
and
this
huge
empty
lot
that
the
addition
of
the
accessory
structure
in
the
back,
if
anything
else,
makes
the
the
streetscape
more
cohesive.
G
But
I
think
that
it's
important
to
understand
that
one
of
the
issues
that
we
had
with
the
historic
district
commission
over
the
years
was
it
had
become
a
preservation
society,
and
that
is
not
our
role
and
if
someone
wants
to
expand
on
their
property
and
build
something
new
they're
permitted
to
do
that,
we're
not
supposed
to
be
static
and
not
see
any
growth
or
change
in
the
architecture
or
changing
the
design
elements.
So
I
understand
the
concern
about
an
older
house,
as
in
this
case,
getting
rebuilt
as
it
will.
G
I
Right
todd,
but
respectfully
I
don't
think
anyone's
arguing
about
the
house.
I
think
what
my
point
is
and
john,
maybe
you
can
jump
into,
is
that
it's
the
entire
project,
so
I'm
not
saying
don't
tear
the
house
down.
I
agree
if
you're
going
to
take
the
house
down,
take
it
down
right.
I
like
his
design
for
the
house.
G
L
Distinction
without
a
difference-
well,
yeah,
I
I
I
don't.
I
disagree,
I
agree
with
eric
respectfully
and,
and
I
think
the
scope's
too
big
and-
and
I
think
the
main
house
of
it
is
rebuilt-
I
mean
personally,
I
think
it
could
do
some
changes.
That's
personal
feeling,
but
I'll
go
the
commission
on
it.
I
don't
think
it's
tilting
keeping
with
with
the
historic
nature
of
the
house,
but
you
know
that's
a
separate
issue.
It's
I
think
it's
too
much.
It's
too
much.
J
I
agree
I
live
on
pearl
and
I
agree
with
todd.
I
do
not
think
there's
anything
wrong
with
this.
I
just
that
whole
front
area
with
the
house,
the
pool
the
garage
I
just
I'm
concerned
about
there
not
being
a
place
for
the
water
to
go,
but
I
think
that
you're
allowed
to
build
a
new
house,
all
those
houses
on
across
the
street
just
down
a
little
bit.
J
Three
of
them
were
brand
new,
like
I
don't
know
30
years
ago
and
they're
all
made
to
look
historic
and
they
fit
in
people,
don't
even
know
they're,
not
old
houses,
and
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
wrong
with
that.
I
M
All
right,
let
let
me
ask
a
question
here.
This
is
pretty
telling
this
helps
me.
You
know
if
we
look
at
the
regular,
you
know
our
site
plan.
Let's
go
here.
M
Here's
the
original
house
is
the
red
one.
So
the
addition
of
the
house
is
just
a
little
bit
off
the
back
here
and
off
here
in
the
garage
to
this,
but
I
want
to
go
back
to
this
one.
So
what
we're
saying
is
we're
adding
just
a
little
bit
here
in
here.
M
M
M
E
I
M
M
I
I
O
I
want
to
clarify,
as
I
keep
listening
here,
a
couple
things
there's
no
intention
of
having
all
around
the
pool
concrete.
Maybe
that
wasn't
some
previous
rendering
I've
been
working
with
brian,
if
he's
still
here,
he
can
talk,
speak
with
this.
It's
a
small,
in
fact,
I'm
the
one
that
actually
wanted
a
lot
more
greenery
around
there.
It's
a
small
patty
around.
O
I
think
three
of
the
outside
edges
and
a
little
more
so
just
on
one
side
and
landscaping
against
that
fence
for
more
greenery
in
terms
of
the
scope-
and
you
look
at
this
picture
too,
from
what's
visible
from
the
street.
I
keep
coming
back
to
that.
O
The
original
garage
which
is
now
shoved
against
the
other
garage
and
against
that
sideline
goes
away
from
from
what
you
can
see
from
the
street
in
here
right
and
in
the
end
of
the
photo
just
below
and
then
to
the
right
is
what
you
see
from
pearl
at
the
moment
so
and
if
you,
if
you're
bill,
if
you
can
just
return
to
that
other
site
plan
picture.
O
So
so,
if
you
move
that
red
line
and
sort
of
cover
the
the
garage,
I
don't
know
that
it's
double,
but
maybe
40
more
material.
I
mean
you're
talking
about
40
more
in
that
specific
space.
Again,
I
think
pearlside
has
to
be
treated
completely
independently
and
and
the
pool
or
anything
that
anybody
can
see
is
completely
irrelevant
from
the
purge.
So
I'm
I'm
very
nervous
now
because
I
feel
like
I'm
gonna
get
like
voted
against
for
things
that
are
complete
are
not
related
to
what
the
htc
has
any
purview
with.
O
So
that's
that's
really
a
concern
as
we
keep
talking
this
through.
I,
I
don't.
You
know:
okay,
there's
more
papers
or
it's
a
big
job
and
it's
26
instead
of
30,
and
I
get
voted
against
for
that.
Instead
of
for
the
things
that
it's
supposed
to
be
about,
that's
discouraging-
and
I
would
ask
certainly
for
those
justifications
and
again
I'll,
also
ask
for
for
alternatives,
I'll
I'll,
keep
saying
this
and
say:
well,
I
don't
like
it
and
you
know,
or
or
or
it's
historic,
so
leave
it
there
at
flood
or
in
the
flood
zone.
O
I
I
think
you
should
just
take.
First
of
all,
you
have
to
there's
five
people
that
vote
so
my
opinion
john's
opinion,
todd's
opinion
they're
all
irrelevant
separately.
So
I
would
look
at
what
each
person
is
saying
before
you
get
discouraged,
and
you
know
look
at
that
as
an
individual
vote
and
then
decide
where
you
stand,
because
I
think
each
one
of
our
opinions
and
from
what
I've
heard
is
vastly
different
with
the
exception
of
bill.
And
maybe
you
want
to
speak
because
I
think
you
were
trying
to.
D
Yeah
I've
been
trying
to
speak
because
when
you
came
a
year
ago,
you
showed
that
stonington
house.
When
you
came
like
a
month
ago,
you
showed
the
stonington
house
and
then,
when
you
showed
us
the
site
plan
a
month
ago,
I
felt
kind
of
I
don't
know
my
opinion.
D
Was
it's
not
the
same
footprint
and
you
talked
about
how
you
made
a
big
deal
earlier
in
the
presentation
about
when
you
talked
about
the
stonington
plant
stonington
house,
how
it
was
you
know,
footprint
to
footprint
and
in
fact
you
took
a
little
less
off
on
the
stonington
home
because
you
moved
it
back
off
the
street,
and
so
I
don't
I
don't
know
I
don't
say
duped,
but
I
felt
kind
of
duped.
When
I
saw
this
last
time,
I
was
because
I
felt
like
you're
not
using
the
same
footprint.
D
E
M
D
Yeah
I
mean
I
I
don't
know
I
just
I
I
just
it's,
I'm
not
a
fan
of
the
design.
I
mean
you're,
a
great
architect.
I've
seen
you
work
throughout
mystic,
stonington
area.
I
just
think
this
design
is
not
fitting,
but
but
my
my
main
gripe
was
was
the
footprint
it
was
like
that
it
you.
You
talked
about
how
you're
keeping
the
footprint
the
same.
Then
when
you
see
these
drawings,
the
foot
isn't
the
same.
M
J
M
M
Mean
if
that
helped
you
well,
that
was
part
of
what
chris's
first
thing:
it's
like
okay,
if
we
start
over
the
house,
what
if
we
change
this-
and
this
is
sort
of
where
we
are
would
would
you
consider
a
change
and
then
appropriately?
You
said
all
right.
Well,
let's
see
what
it
is
and
that's
where
you
know
where
we
are,
but.
A
M
If
that's
not
acceptable,
I
mean
basically,
we
can
pretty
much.
You
know
work
with
the
same
outline
here.
We
don't
have
to
put
the
roof
over
the
base.
The
porch,
you
know,
can
stay
here.
Yeah.
J
I
M
J
We
have
to
look
at
our
role
and
what
we're
supposed
to
be
doing,
because
town
on
grove
they
put
an
accessory
unit
that
has
a
garage
with
an
apartment
above
it
and
they
came
to
hcc
and
originally
it
wasn't
going
to
be
a
rental
unit,
but
it
is
now,
but
I
mean
it's
a
huge
structure
and
it
was
approved
in
it.
It's
allowed.
We
can't
stop
people
from
putting
accessory
dwellings
on
their
property.
It's
allowed.
L
And
demolition
does
fall
under
our
purview
and
they're.
Talking
about
demolishing
a
house,
I
think
it's
a
a
conversation
we're
about
to
have.
J
L
J
L
L
O
Ask
you
hi
yeah
one
one
quick
comment
with
respect
to
raising
the
house.
We
had
comments
that
most
of
us
in
the
room
agreed
with
that
that
you
know
it
was
like
you
know.
When
can
you
start
in
terms
of
taking
the
whole
salt
box
edition
off
and
then
and
then
the
big
bay
windows,
which
would
and
I
did
have
a
person,
come
and
evaluate
it
and
a
10
by
10
chimney
and
the
rest
of
it
lifting
it
and
by
the
time
he
got
done?
O
I
didn't
want
to
get
to
these
conversations
in
this
meeting,
but
you
you
have
you
know
three
walls
left
and
then
that
stuff
all
has
to
get
because
you're
on
the
back
anymore,
because
the
addition
and
then
that
stuff
has
to
get
rebuilt
anyway.
So
again
it's
not
even
about
the
economics.
I
mean
I'm
willing
to
work
with
you
guys,
I'm
trying
to
I.
O
I
don't
in
any
I'd
like
to
see
in
the
historic
guidebook
eric,
if
you
could
show
me
where,
where
there's
any
purview
of
of
of
what's
happening
in
the
middle
of
this
property
or
or
or
coverage
or
or
anything
versus.
If
it's
three
years
from
now,
you
know
I'm
going
to
be
able
to
to
put
an
accessory
building
on
it
so
and
then
it's
going
to
match
the
so
the
only
thing
we're
talking
about
here
is
really
the
timing
of
everything
which,
for
that
matter,
gets
it
all
done
faster.
I
I
I
I
don't
think
you
even
know
what
my
vote's
gonna
be
and
you'd
be
surprised,
but
the
reality
of
it
is
you've
got
drastically
different
opinions
from
from
every
commission
member
so
far,
and
I
think
we
keep
getting
down
to
the
nitty-gritty
of
the
particular
house
and
john
I'm
not
trying
to
speak
for
you,
but
john
you're,
the
only
one,
that's
saying:
don't
tear
the
house
down
we're
all
agreeing
with
tearing
the
house
down.
With
the
exception
of
you,
I'm
sorry.
I
The
three
of
us
bill,
john
and
myself,
are,
are
not
in
favor
of
the
plan
as
a
whole
and
the
amount
of
coverage
that
you're,
increasing
and
bonnie
had
a
problem
with
the
amount
of
impervious
coverage
and
todd
doesn't
agree
or
doesn't
disagree
with
anything
that
that's
five
commission
members
of
five
different
opinions,
I'm
just
trying
to
give
you
what
all
of
them
are
and
sarah,
I
think
you
were
gonna
talk,
yeah.
C
So
just
a
couple
things
you
know
going
on
the
tale
of
dan's
comments.
I
I
agree
with
him.
You
know
you
take
one
wall
down,
you
take
another
wall
down
the
economics
of
this
project
and
the
restrictions
as
a
result
of
the
building
and
a
result
of
fema.
I
just
don't
see
another
way
to
to
do
this.
Building
without
tearing
it
down,
I
mean
you
can
just
leave
one
wall
up
and
lie
about
it
and
say
I'm
ready,
but
you
know
they're
being
honest
about
it.
I
like
the
building.
I
like
the
way
it
looks.
C
I
think
that
you
know
they
did
a
nice
job
when
you
look
at
the
project
as
a
whole
from
the
top
like
we're
looking
at
it
now,
it
does
look
like
a
lot
of
massing.
You
know
if
you
subdivided
the
lot,
they
could
do
the
accessory
accessories.
I
have
no
problem
with
that.
Really
you
know
they're
adding
a
second
bay
or
or
a
second
or
third
bay.
Was
it
previously
a
one
or
two
car
garage?
I
think
it
was
two
so
they're
adding
additional
bay.
C
C
Right
but
it
is,
it
is
getting
late
and
I'm
I'm
happy
for
everybody
to
continue
talking
about
this.
If
we
have
new
comments
to
talk
about.
M
Can
can
you
is
this
view
live?
Can
you
see
the
mouse
moving.
G
O
M
Took
off
too
much,
basically,
I
removed
the
covered
walkway,
and
actually
this
is
all
power
stuff.
This
is
actually
a
two-car
garage
and
this
because
the
generator
here
and
the
cross
connect
switches,
that's
all
the
power
switching
there,
you
know.
Maybe
this
could
be
made.
M
You
know
a
little
more
narrow
how's
that.
C
M
J
P
M
Q
Q
Jump
in,
I
don't
sure,
yeah
one
of
the
things
I
hear,
I
you
know
hear
a
lot
of
talk
about
the
footprint
and
the
character,
and
then
you
know
the
existing
house
and
the
shape
it's
in,
and
you
know
preserving
it
and
so
on.
A
couple
of
the
things
that
occur
to
me,
you
know
fairly
quickly
is
in
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
In
terms
of
the
fact,
this
is
one
site
and
matching
the
accessory
dwelling
to
the
original
house
doesn't
make
sense
to
me:
did
you
consider
putting
the
garages
under
an
accessory
dwelling?
Q
I
mean
the
accessory
dwelling
is
subservient
to
the
primary
dwelling
and,
if
we're
trying
to
create
less,
you
know,
footprint
less
coverage,
which
seems
to
be
a
comment
that's
made
was
there
is?
Is
it
possible,
within
the
configuration
of
the
site,
to
do
that
is
to
say
you
know,
have
a
carriage
house
on
the
site
with
a
primary
dwelling,
which
was
more
in
keeping
with
the
character
of
the
of
the
neighborhood?
Q
You
know
that
house
has
a
lot
of
character,
just
as
it
is,
and
I
think
you're
modifying
that
which
is
not,
I
believe,
the
intent
of
the
historic
district,
which
is
to
preserve
buildings
which
are
part
of
the
character
building
features
of
the
of
the
neighborhood
one
of
the
thoughts
I
have
and
I'll
shut
up
after
this,
because
it's
you
know
the
owner,
I
think
you
know
pretty
well
informed
about
this
subject.
Is
you
know?
Maybe
you
keep?
Q
The
frame
of
the
existing
house
got
it
from
the
inside.
Do
all
the
structural
stuff
bill
has
has
been
talking
about
replacing
the
windows
in
kind
and
instead
of
having
the
secondary
edition
off
the
side
which,
from
the
pro
gravel
street
side,
is
kind
of
awkward.
Looking
have
the
addition
off
the
center
of
the
house,
you
could
line
the
gables
up
of
the
two
structures,
still
have
room
for
the
pool
and
then
put
a
carriage
house
in
the
location
between
the
proposed
accessory
dwelling
and
and
garage
structure.
Q
Just
as
a
thought,
you
know
you're
looking
for
other
ideas
and
looking
at
the
plan
as
a
whole,
and
it
just
seems
to
me
for
in
this
neighborhood.
You
know
that
you
have
sort
of
had
a
subservient
garage
to
the
primary
structure
and
a
lot
of
the
buildings
around
that
seem
to
have
that
same
thing.
Why
not
have
a
larger
accessory
structure
that
would
encompass
both
the
the
accessory
dwelling
unit,
which
could
be
moved
closer
to
the
river
where
the
deck
is?
Keep
that
same
orientation
and
just
a
thought?
Q
I
know,
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
and
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
the
comments.
This
is
a
very
well
put
together
presentation,
but
if
I
were
approaching
that
knowing
what
the
intent
of
an
accessory
dwelling
is
yeah,
it
can
be
a
separate
building,
but
you'd
have
two
accessory
buildings
on
the
site.
Q
Why
not
combine
them
into
one
and
then
try
to
maintain
at
least
the
front
three
walls
of
the
original
building,
possibly
move
it
up
and
back
to
get
it
out
of
the
flood
zone
and
give
it
a
little
more
separation
between
gravel
street
and
the
building.
G
Q
Well,
not
really,
I
mean
look
at
the
house,
the
house
to
the
north
and
the
south
are
at
very
different
locations.
I
wouldn't
move
it
any
further
back
from
the
street
than
the
house
to
the
north,
but
it
would
also
make
the
the
change
visually
between
the
street
level
and
where
the
house
is
now
less
abrupt,
it
would
push
it
back
just
slightly
just
the
thought
I
mean
I
wouldn't
be
hard
set
on
that
it'd.
Also,
look
at
you
know,
bringing
it
away
from
the
north
property
line
too.
Why
we're
going
to
keep
that?
I
You're
welcome.
I
think
he
raises
a
good
point,
though,
which
is
something
that
I
didn't
think
about
until
just
now
again,
I'm
okay
with
the
house,
but
there
are
changes
to
the
proposed
house,
but
combining
the
garage
and
the
and
making
it
into
more
of
a
carriage
house
to
me
that
I
would
have
no
problem
with
that.
If
it
matched
the
design
of
the
or
the
revised
design
of
new
front
building.
M
We
can
check
on
that,
but
they're
they're,
like
different
people,
place
pieces
in
the
zoning
code.
Accessory
dwelling
unit
is
like
a
separate
unit
if
it,
if
it
remember
it's
limited
by
square
footage,
so.
M
The
square
footage
is
going
to
count
towards
that
in
that
dwelling,
then
you
wouldn't
have
as
much
square
footing.
You
know
for
the
for
the
living
space.
I
Yeah,
I
don't
want
to
get
into
the
zoning
stuff,
because
it's
not
our
our
area
so,
but
from
a
from
a
concept
that
seems
to
me
to
be
much
more.
You
know
in
keeping
with
the
neighborhood
mm-hmm.
Q
I
Q
Can
I
jump
back
in
there
again
yeah
the
the
accessory
building
can
be
a
separate
structure
or
part
of
the
primary
structure,
and
if
you
had
the
connector
between
the
existing
house,
it's
same
location
rebuilt,
that's
fine,
but
if
you
had
a
roof
connector
to
the
garage,
then
the
garage
then
that
square
footage
of
the
accessory
dwelling
unit
is
only
the
dwelling
unit.
It's
not
the
garage,
that's
the
you
know
accessory
to
the
house
would
be
my
once
again
eric
you're
right,
that's
zoning!
Q
I
don't
you
know,
I
don't
know
how
that'd
be
interpreted,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
that
that
would
be
something
that
the
town
would
would
want
to
look
at
in
terms
of
the
of
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
Also
I
wouldn't
make
I
wouldn't
match
the
design
of
the
carriage
house
to
that
of
the
house.
I
would
make
it
look
like
a
carriage
house.
Q
I
O
As
the
owner,
I
just
again,
you
know
thank
everyone
for
for
their
time
for
a
lot
of
time.
Again,
maybe
if
it's
two
applications,
I
all
I
know
from
the
accessory
building,
is
it's
limited
by
800
square
feet?
O
I
don't
know
about
any
any
combinations
with
with
garages,
because
that
would
wipe
out
an
accessory
building.
If
that
was
the
case,
that's
a
zoning
question.
I
don't
know
that
deeply
bill
may
have
some
feedback
on
that,
but
that's
really
my
only
point
on
that
and
thank
you
guys
very
much
for
for
the
time.
C
All
right
do
we
have
anyone
else.
That's
here
for
a
pre-app.
R
Yeah,
can
you
hear
me
my
name's
kyle
ackley?
Yes,
okay,
hi,
I
purchased
a
lot
my
name's
kyle
ackley.
I
bought
the
lot
on
22
ice
house
lane
in
mystic.
R
I've
been
working
with
mr
zane
reedy
in
the
town
of
groton,
and
I
got
an
email
last
week
that
there
was
going
to
be
a
zoom
session
tonight
to
go
over
that
approval
with
the
historic
commission.
Is
that
still
coming
up
or
is
the
is
everything
finished
for
tonight?
Or
did
I
get
the
wrong
date.
A
A
So
it
was
to
determine
if
you
wanted
him
to
come
in
for
a
meeting
to
see
it
wherever
wherever
the
house
was
actually
located
on
the
property.
My
thought
process
of
the
house
was
actually
in
the
historic
district
on
that
line.
Then
yeah
he'd
have
to
come
in
and
visit
you
guys,
but
if
it
wasn't,
then
he
probably
wouldn't
have
to.
I
R
Right,
I
submitted
all
the
plans
and
I
submitted
photos
of
the
street
and
the
houses
on
the
street
all
attached
them
all
and
sent
them
to
mr
zanorini,
and
then
I
had
just
received
the
email
last
week
that
this
tonight
was
going
to
be
the
meeting.
If
I
wanted
to
join
it
to
go
in
the
zoom.
So
I
haven't
done
this
before
so
I'm
not
really
familiar
with
the
process.
C
R
C
C
J
I
mean
it's
an
older
home,
it's
not
a
new
house,
but
it
it.
It
is
half
in
and
half
out
the.
J
E
J
Haven't
looked
on
the
historic
district
map
and
I
know
that
the
sign
on
high
street
is
not
in
the
right
location,
so
I
guess
we
have
to
pull
off
the
map
and
I
don't
know
there's
there
probably
is
more
than
one
house
in
that
situation
I'm
gonna
have
to.
I
have
to
go
because
my
my
husband
is
arriving
and
I
have
to
contact
him
so
I'll
put
you
guys
on
hold.
If
do
you
think
we're
having
something
after
this
client.
D
C
So
I
I
guess
the
short
answer
to
your
question,
which
was:
what
do
you
need
to
do?
Is
we
don't
know
so
I'll
talk
to
tom
and
then
we'll
figure
out
if
there's
a
precedent
and
then
we'll?
Let
you
know
if
you
need
to
come
to
the
next
meeting
and
if
you
need
to
do
a
formal
hearing
or
not.
Okay,
all
right.
Q
Okay,
thank
you.
Sarah.
Can
I
jump
in
there
for
a
second
the
reason
I
yeah.
I
believe
the
reason
that
that
house
is
half
in
and
half
out
is
when
the
ice
house
was
there.
Those
lots
had
not
been
subdivided
at
that
point.
Okay
and
I
actually
worked
with
the
people
trying
to
save
the
ice
house,
but
that
didn't
happen
and
then
shortly
thereafter
it
was.
It
was
subdivided
into
the
lights
that
are
there
today
and
I'm
also
here
to
make
a
presentation.
Q
E
Q
C
B
F
C
E
I
All
right
we
want
this
one
or
the
other
one.
Q
Oh,
that's
good!
Okay,
we've
been
we've
been
to
you
before
about
this
building.
This
is
the
spicer
mansion
at
15,
elm
street
and
there's
been
a
long
history
of
things
happening
here.
This
building
was
converted
from
a
10-unit
apartment
building
or
excuse
me
an
eight-room
apartment,
building
to
an
eight-room
inn
motel
and
since
then
a
number
of
changes
have
been
made
and
we've
you
know,
sort
of
been
working
along
the
way
trying
to
get
to
some
solutions
right
now.
Q
If
you
start
in
the
upper
right,
that's
the
main
entrance
to
the
building
and
then
that's
going
down
the
next
one
to
the
left
is
going
down
elm
street
and
the
area
to
the
left.
You
can
see:
there's
a
porch,
an
open,
a
sun
porch
of
the
second
floor,
an
open
porch
down
below.
If
you
go
to
the
next
picture,
that's
sort
of
straight
on
from
elm
street.
Looking
at
it.
Q
The
next
picture
to
the
left
shows
you
that
porch
and
the
important
features
here
are
the
steps
that
lead
up
to
the
porch,
and
you
can
see
a
bay
window
to
the
right.
The
next
picture
to
the
right
excuse
me
to
the
left.
You
can
see
the
steps
I
was
talking
about
to
the
left
of
the
picture
and
then
the
little
bay
window
with
some
small
basement
windows
coming
out
of
it
just
above
that
patio.
If
you
go
down
to
the
site
plan,
you
can
see
on
street,
which
is
looking
at
it
from
the
south.
Q
You
can
see
street
to
the
right.
The
main
entrance
to
the
building
is
right,
where
the
drawing
is
cut
off,
where
it
says
finished
floor
and
this
little
darkened
area
to
the
lower
left.
There
is
that
porch
with
the
sun
room
above
it.
If
you
go
to
the
on
the
the
basement,
egress
plan
to
the
right,
believe
it
or
not,
somehow
unbeknownst
to
me
a
full
speakeasy
bar
was
put
in
the
basement
in
2016.
Q
This
is
after
having
gotten
approval
and
a
number
of
building
code
modifications,
so
we
could
open
as
a
hotel.
Essentially
the
fire
marshal
came
in
and
said:
no,
you
need
another
means
of
egress
and
you
have
a
whole
series
of
zoning
issues
with
the
speakeasy
bar
in
the
basement.
Q
Q
If
you
can
bear
with
me
a
second
I'll
redo
that
drawing
if
I'll
try
to
there,
we
go.
Oh,
where
am
I
here.
B
Q
C
I
Right,
we
got
the
drawing,
so
can
you.
G
Q
F
Q
Q
What
we
intend
to
do
is
provide
a
second
means
of
egress
out
of
the
basement.
You
can
see
the
double
doors
under
the
bay
window
to
the
right,
with
two
splayed
walls
coming
out
from
that
now
there
are
stone
steps
you
saw
in
the
previous
picture
at
the
bay
at
the
beginning
of
that
downstairs,
porch
below
the
sunroom
supposed
to
take
those
that
stair
assembly
and
move
it
out
to
the
street
side
of
the
primary
bay
in
the
main
salon
at
the
first
floor.
Q
So
if
you
look
down
below,
you
can
see,
there's
the
main
entrance
to
the
building,
there's
the
sun
room
and
then
there's
the
the
open
porch
below
it
with
the
stairs
which
we
are
just
going
to
move
out
towards
the
street.
Q
Use
your
if
you
look
at
the
once
again
up
at
the
south
elevation
just
above,
we
have
a
deck
going
from
where
the
existing
porch
below
the
sun
room
is
out
to
the
moved
steps
out
at
the
at
the
street
side
of
the
building,
and
then
because
that
is
the
drop
there
requires
us
to
have
a
guard.
We
look
to
do
a
wrought
iron
railing,
matching
the
wrought
iron
railing
on
the
front
of
the
building,
which
I
can
provide
better
details
of.
Q
I
have
you
can
sort
of
see
it
in
pictures
that
I
that
we
looked
at
earlier
and
then
the
new
wall
surfaces
on
that
little
section
below
the
little
deck
and
on
the
splayed
walls
would
be
brick
and
there'd
be
a
stone
cap
on
the
top
of
the
splayed
walls.
Q
So
if
you,
if
you
look
at
the
picture
at
the
diagram
on
the
bottom,
you
can
see
you
only
see
you
see
from
the
street
you'd
see
the
new
stone
stairs
you'd
see
a
little
bit
of
brick
below
the
the
new
deck
above
and
then
this
displayed
walls
would
slope
down
roughly
in
the
in
the
angle
of
the
the
embankment
we
have
pretty
good
topographical
information
there
and
at
the
you
know
outside
there's
a
embankment
in
that
location
where
it
says
basement
egress
in
the
east
elm
street
elevation
and
it
gets
down
to
an
elevation
of
you,
know
102,
and
you
can
see
from
the
cross
section
at
the
left,
there's
very
low
ceiling
height.
Q
There's
the
sun
porch
with
the
porch
below
it.
So
we'd
have
a
concrete
deck,
leaving
leading
to
a
wall
with
the
double
doors.
And
you
know
it's
a
fairly
low
impact
thing.
There's
been
a
number
of
appendages.
Added
to
this
building,
the
original
building
was
the
rectang,
the
the
large
the
three-story
section,
with
the
l
they've
added
another
l,
and
this
was
part
of
a
large
complex
of
buildings.
Q
What
we're
proposing
here
is
really
below
grade
mainly
with
a
little
bit
of
deck
and
railing
area,
showing
up
above
retaining
the
same
stone
steps,
and
you
know
that's
essentially
the
long
and
short
of
it,
and
I
mean
I
think,
there's
you
know
some
further.
You
know
detailing,
obviously
before
we
go
to
a
full
application,
but
I
want
to
get
before
you
tonight
and
you
know,
get
some
feedback
and
you
know
see
if
we're
moving
in
the
right
direction
here,.
C
D
Q
I'm
good
okay,
so
I'll
can
I
throw
it
can
I
do.
I
can
fill
in
an
application
right
online
right
now
to
get
on
the
hearing
for
next
next
meeting
you
can
fill.
C
Submit
it
to
tom,
with
all
of
your
corresponding
documents
that
need
to
go
with
it:
junior.
D
C
I
I
The
primary
goal
of
the
historic
district
commission
is
to
preserve
and,
where
possible,
reinforce
the
overall
character
of
the
town's
historic
districts.
It
has
recognized
that
historic
districts
have
evolved
over
time
and
that
are
generally
made
up
of
different
architectural
styles
and
building
types
which
reflect
the
evolution
yet
the
same
districts,
and
in
particular,
the
smaller
neighborhoods
that
might
make
up
a
larger
different
district,
often
can
be
characterized
by
a
number
of
distinct
building
traditions.
I
Thus
it
is
the
intention
of
historic
district
commission
and
of
these
design
guidelines
to
promote
construction
activities
which
blend
harmoniously
with
the
characteristic
building
traditions
of
the
community.
It
is
stressed
that
the
following
sections
of
part
two
are
guidelines,
not
absolute
standards
for
appropriate
design
because
of
the
often
individual
and
sometimes
unique
aspects
of
any
given
proposal.
The
historic
district
commission
must,
in
the
end,
use
its
own
discretion
in
determining
appropriateness,
so.
C
I
C
So
what
you
just
read
was
a
paragraph
from
a
guidebook.
You
know
which
changes
and
evolves
and
and
the
things
that
we
do
and
don't
do,
don't
necessarily
always
reflect
that
and
we've
all
agreed
that
that
book
needs
to
be
rewritten
and
you
know,
we've
started
and
stopped
it.
You
know
10
times,
but
what
we
can
do
is
always
go
back
to
the
statute.
C
You
know,
which
is
what
our
actual
jurisdiction
purview.
Is
it's
not
it's,
not
what
jim
gibbs
wrote
in
1994,
it's
it's
the
statue
and
I
can
pull
it
up
and
we
can
circulate
it.
I
I
don't
remember
word
for
word
what
it
says.
I
think
both
things
are
important,
but.
G
Was
talking
sorry,
I'm
out
here
in
colorado,
I'm
having
technical
difficulties,
but
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
I
don't
think
that
eric
what
you
just
read.
G
I
don't
think
that
that
that
that
what
was
proposed
earlier
for
you
know
for
the
expansion
of
that
property
is
in
congress
or
in
conflict
with
what
you
just
read
the
way
I
interpret
it.
So,
whatever.
I
That's
not
what
I
was
saying
with
by
reading
that
statement.
Reading
the
part
about
preservation
and
taking
into
account
the
overall
tradition
and
scope
of
the
landscape
and
the
surrounding
neighborhoods,
and
that
we
need
to
use
our
choices
as
commissioners
to
make
a
determination
of
what's
right
or
wrong.
Even.
I
Of
the
guidelines,
what
I'm
saying
is
the
lack
of
guidelines
doesn't
create
some
ability
for
anyone
to
do
something
of
whatever
they
want.
If
the
followers
as
members
get
together
and
decide
that
we
want
to
allow
an
ultra
modern,
historic
house
in
downtown
or
wherever
in
a
historic
district,
we
can
do
so,
just
as
we
also
can
prohibit
someone
from
building
a
replica
or
an
identical
model
of
an
1820.
P
I
D
D
L
C
A
Table
it
defense,
actually,
she
was
actually
sitting
in
the
audience.
Andrea
was
on
the
call
and
she
actually
requested.
We
could
continue
into
the
next
meeting
to
discuss
because
she
had
to
leave
perfect.