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From YouTube: Groton Inland Wetlands Agency 8/11/21
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Groton, Connecticut municipal meeting: Inland Wetlands Agency August 11, 2021. Click on the link below to view the agenda.
https://www.agendasuite.org/iip/groton/file/getfile/55960
A
The
auxiliary
meeting
of
the
agency
chair
is
dave's.
Vice
chair
is
unit
7.
staff
tonight
is,
is
me
deb
jones.
There
is
an
opportunity
to
address
the
commission
under
public
communications
if
you're,
not
an
applicant
or
have
an
agenda
item.
If
you
want
to
do
that,
you
need
to
raise
your
virtual
hand
on
an
apple
device.
You'll
find
that
at
the
top
of
your
screen
on
a
pc,
it's
at
the
bottom.
If
you're
on
the
phone,
it
is
star
nine.
B
Okay,
I
don't
have
the
agenda
in
front
of
me
or
anything
like
that,
so
we'll
have
a
roll
call
called
the
meeting
to
order
at
whatever
time.
This
is
seven
something,
and
I
think
we
have
barbara
williams.
We
have
barbara
block
and
we
have
myself
eunice
sutman
in
attendance.
A
B
Great,
so
then
do
we
have
minutes
that
we
need
to
have
approval
of
july
14
2021..
Okay,
have
you
guys
had
a
chance
to
look
at
those
july
14
minutes.
C
C
B
Any
abstentions,
so
move.
Do
we
have
any
old
new
applications.
A
New
applications,
thank
you.
So
the
first
one
is
the
replacement
of
groton
utilities
structures.
So
I'm
going
to
promote
the
applicants
here,
so
they
can
run
through
the
plans
with
you.
I
know
this
is
the
first
time
that
you'll
be
seeing
it.
D
So
what
we'd
like
to
do,
I'm
not
sure
how
it
works
with
zoom,
maybe
jose
knows
we'd
like
to
put
our
together
on
screen,
is
our
way
to
do
that.
A
A
Okay,
so
what
I
have
up
is
an
aerial
photograph
of
drastic
drive
and
the
area
where
the
holes
are
to
be
replaced,
so
I'm
just
kind
of
I'm
hovering
around
the
area.
Right
now
you
can
see
this
is
the
ledges
apartments.
A
My
triumph
is
across
the
street
the
reservoir,
and
then
you
can
see
the
power
lines
coming
through
this
property,
and
it's
it's
this
area
right
here
where
there
are
trees.
So
from
there
I'm
going
to
just
go
to
the
plans
and
kevin
you
can
walk
them
through
it.
C
E
I
could
do
that
for
you,
so
the
project
is
to
replace
those
four
pole
structures,
they're,
very
they're,
wood,
they're,
very
old
and
dilapidated,
and
in
dire
need
of
of
replacement
with
steel
poles
in
order
to
get
in
there.
The
100
of
that
area
that
deb
outlined
is
is
is
wetland
just
about
now.
There
is
a
little
finger
of
upland
right
where
we,
where
we've
prepositioned
the
the
entrance
road
off
of
off
the
drost
drosnik
drive
and.
B
We
looked
at
the
different,
I'm
I'm
just
seeing,
looks
like
a
detail.
I'm
not
I'm
not
able
to
follow.
E
A
E
The
dark
is
the
stream
and
where
the
stream-
and
you
can
actually
see
the
the
main
channel
in
that
larger
blob-
is
open
water
all
the
way
moving
right
to
left.
It
flows
right
to
the
left,
to
a
head
wall
and
then
goes
under
the
road
yep
there
you
go
the
actual
wetland
flagging.
This
almost
looks
like
a
black
and
white
instead
of
color,
but.
E
Yeah,
but
the
wetlands
are
much
are
much
larger
in
the
area.
So,
where
you
see,
oh,
you
know
pretty
much
of
what
you
see
from
behind
the
houses
to
the
north,
to
to
the
drive
and
from
in
the,
and
what
you
see
here
from
left
to
right
is
all
weapons,
so
how
we
propose
to
work
in
wetlands
and
the
way
utility
work.
Pretty
much.
Does
this
quite
often
is
we
put
wood
matting
in
multiple
layers
across
both
wetlands
and
upland?
E
You
know
as
well
just
so
we
don't
dig
up,
dig
up
a
lot
of
soil
and
then
and
then
we
surround
the
poles
with
a
larger,
what
we
call
a
work
pad
and
right
and
then
to
connect
to
the
other
work
pad
to
do
the
other
two
structures.
You
see
the
long
linear
piece
of
matting.
That
is
all
herbaceous
wetlands
for
the
most
part,
it's
almost
100
percent
phragmites.
E
So
we
we
looked
at
other
alternatives
to
get
in
here
and
if
we
came
through
the
ledges
okay.
Well,
let
me
back
up
so
when
the
almost,
if
you
look
at
the
proposed
hay,
bales,
see
detail
sheet
that
lower
error
yeah.
The
lower
arrow
on
that
there's
like
two
arrows
yeah,
so
that
lower
arrow
is
where
the
uplands
extends
to
about
that
point.
And
then
it's
wetlands
in
to
the
stream
and
we
would
we
would
actually
build
a
stream
a
matting
bridge
over
the
stream.
E
C
E
We
have
forested
wetlands
on
the
south
side
of
the
stream
of
which
we
will
need
to
cut
a
number
of
trees,
they're
mostly
saplings,
but
there
is.
There
are
three
large
hazard
trees
as
work
in
the
industry.
We
call
hazard
trees
because
they're
tall
enough
to
reach
the
wires
if
something
blows
them
over
or
they
fall
over.
So
it
just
so
happens
that
we
need
to
get
in
that's
the
shortest
distance.
So
we
looked
at
three.
You
know
approaching
this
area
in
from
four
different
locations.
E
You
know
one
is
you
know,
the
preferred
alternative
is
right
off
the
drive.
It's
the
one
that
we're
proposing
here
and
the
matting
in
in
this
alternative
is
is
in
within,
is
80
feet
long
in
wetlands
and
the
rest
is
upland.
If
we
came
in
from
the
east
through
the
ledges
we
would
have,
we
would
be
that
matting
access
would
be
200
feet
long
in
the
wetlands
plus
it
would
go
into
the
ledges
and
we'd
we'd
have
the
impact
of
the
traffic.
E
You
know
people
living
there
and
trucks
coming
back
and
forth.
There's
a
playground,
we'd
be
cutting
off.
Well,
we
wouldn't
cut
off
cut
it
off,
but
we
would
definitely
impair
the
and
limit
the
access
to
the
playground
in
the
lower
right-hand
corner.
If
we
came
in
from
the
west
there's
a
driveway
an
undeveloped
lot,
that's
actually
for
sale.
E
A
E
So
we
looked
at
coming
in
from
the
west
and
there's
actually
a
building
lot
with
a
driveway
and
quite
nice
plantings,
but
no
house,
and
so
we'd
have
to
come
in
his
driveway
yep
right
where
deb
is
showing
once
we
got
to
the
wetlands,
we
would
have
to
cross
220
feet
of
wetlands
just
to
get
to
the
work
path.
So
both
of
those
are
more
than
double.
E
What
we're
proposing
now
the
coming
from
the
north
is
the
shortest
distance,
but
it
would
be
through
somebody's
yard
and-
and
that's
just
not
acceptable,
though
you
know
we're
we're
expecting
this
process
without
you
know
any
serious
weather
delays,
because
the
weather's
going
to
be
perfect
from
now
on
rest
of
the
year.
That's
my
prediction,
and
but
it
is
we're
you
know
we're
we're
estimating
five
to
six
weeks.
So
you
just
can't
drive
through
somebody's
yard
for
five
to
six
weeks.
You
know
and.
E
A
E
The
the
wood
matting
is
made
out
of
eight
to
ten
inch
square
logs.
So
to
speaker,
you
know,
and
it's
16
feet,
long
and
8
to
10
inches
in
in
size
and
what
they
do
is
they
tie
with
metal
rods.
They
tie
four
of
those
together
and
that's
considered
one
mat,
so
it's
basically
four
feet
by
16
feet
and
maybe
eight
to
ten
inches.
E
So
we
use
a
we
use,
a
a
small
articulated,
excavator
or
whatever,
but
with
a
special
grabber
on
the
end
to
place
those
down,
and
then
we
place
them
in
cry.
If
we
need
two
layers
or
three
layers,
we
put
them
at
90
degrees
to
each
other
or
180
degrees,
190
degrees
and
then-
and
then
you
drive
over
that-
and
it's
amazing
how
well
it
protects
the
wetlands.
E
You
do
have
to
cut
some
shrubbery
and
you
know
sometimes,
but
most
of
the
time
the
shrubbery's
small
we
just
can
lay
the
matting.
You
know
come
in
kind
of
sideways
as
we
drop
it
and
just
bend
the
shrubs
over.
So
they'll
come
back
pretty
quickly,
but
in
cases
where
it's
really
thick
and
it's
going
to
you
know
not
let
the
matting
sit
flat.
E
We
we
mow,
you
know
we
mow
it
down
a
bit,
but
we
leave
root,
stock
and
and-
and
you
know
enough
of
the
plants
sticking
up
for
shrubs
trees
we
have
to
we
have
to
cut,
but
we
leave
the
roots
in.
We
don't
root
balls.
We
don't
excavate
anything
in
the
wetlands,
soil
and
all
the
herbaceous
stuff.
You
know
we
have
tried
over
the
years
in
different
situations
to
replant
with
wetland
seed
mix,
but
because
everything
stays
undisturbed
and
not
ripped
up.
E
It
really
comes
back
the
next
growing
season,
as
you
can
see
in
these
photos.
So
I
I
included
a
couple
examples
of
projects
that
here
in
new
england,
where
we've
had
across
broad
wetland
areas
to
get
to
the
structure.
Poles.
C
E
They
they
pick
up
and
what
what
what
happens
is
they
back
a
truck
up
to
the
to
the
back
side
of
the
machine
and
the
machine
lifts
those
up
and
places
on
a
special
truck
that
just
for
handling
matting
and
then
that
truck
pulls
out
and
another
one
backs
in,
and
they
slowly
work
their
way
back
out
so
in
in
this
case,
to
put
in
gravel-
and
you
know,
and
then
maybe
some
fabric
under
gravel,
which
you
know
was
kind
of
how
they
used
to
do
it.
E
You
know
it
was
just
so
so
much
disturbance
and
it
was
hard
to
say
you
weren't.
You
know
you
weren't
having
a
permanent
impact
on
that
part.
These
typically
one
growing
season
is
it's
back.
You
know
and
what
you've
done
actually
is
this
cut
a
a
wet
meadow
or
maybe
a
scrub
shrub
meadow
combination,
metal
in
a
forested
area.
So
it
really
adds
diversity
to
the
system
as
well,
and
then
you
know
over
time
it
just
you
know
you
don't
have
to
do
any
plantings,
you're
not
doing
any
digging.
E
So
when
we
in
the
the.
D
E
Poor
and
does
the
the
permitting
for
all
the
utilities,
the
new
england
division
that
does
all
the
permitting
for
all
the
new
england
utilities.
They
they
have
no
restriction
on
the
amount
of
square
feet
associated
with
temporary
matting.
E
I
mean
we
still
will
still
submit
a
permit
and
identify
so
but
a
per
permanent
excavation
in
the
wetland
or
you
know
either
deposition
or
they
have
a
limit
of
five
thousand
square
feet
before
it
gets
elevated
to
the
next
highest,
the
next
level
of
scrutiny
and
then
and
then
over
over
a
half
acre.
It
goes
to
what
they
call
a
full
permitting
effort.
A
E
So
over
the
years
we've
come
to
agreement
that
we
used
to
try
to
take
the
old.
You
know
we
will
grab
the
old
pole
wooden
poles
and
we
will
draw
them
out,
and
you
know
if
a
little
clump
of
of
soil
does
you
know,
come
up.
E
You
know
you
know
on
the
edge
of
the
pole
in
there
we
would
just
you
know,
smooth
it
back
in
with
a
hand
shovel
or
whatever,
but
and
then,
and
then
we
drill
we
put
the
new
poles
in
in
a
new
hole
and,
and
the
army
corps
considers
that
you
know
a
no
net
loss.
E
You
know
break
even
scenario
so
you're
you
know
you're,
basically
taking
where
the
old
pole
was
and
the
gravel
that
surrounded
the
edge
of
it
whatever
and
swapping
it
for
the
new
pole,
so
yeah,
so
the
application
to
to
you
guys
and
the
one
that
will
I'll
submit
after
you
know
after
we
come.
You
know
we
get
your
your
input,
we'll
we'll
say
no
permanent
wetland
impacts
and
I
think
memory
service
would
be
right.
We're
we're
going
to
have.
E
Where
is
it
really
hanging
back
so
jose
it's
right
on
the
plan
there,
but
I
can't
see
it
how
many
square
feet
of
temporary
impact
on
that?
Oh
wait,
a
minute.
I
got
it
ready.
F
We
had
it
matted
acres,
okay,
which
ends
up
being
about
11
000
square
feet.
E
Correct,
okay,
so
there,
so
that
kind
of
in
a
nutshell,
is
how
how
this
would
take
place,
how
we
protect
the
wetlands
and
doing
it
like
I
said
there
will
be.
There
will
be
a
few
trees
that
need
to
be
cut,
but
there.
E
This
is
not
one
of
the
real
high
transmission
towers,
and
so
these
trees
are
right
at
the
edge
of
the
phragmites
and
therefore
susceptible
to
high
winds
can
get
right
to
them
or
whatever
and
push
them
over
in
it,
and
and
they
would
catch
the
wires
and
we,
you
know
then
we'd
be
in
trouble.
So
I
kind
of
aimed
it
and
now
those
trees
are
located
right,
where
the
just
before
the
matting
crosses
the
street
yeah
right.
There.
F
Those
kind
of
activities
are
usually
taken
care
of
by
what
what
the
utility
would
call
routine
clearing
or
right-of-way
maintenance
for
reliability.
E
Right,
yeah,
veg
management
is
a
big
thing
now
for
resiliency
for
all
the
utilities,
and
obviously
california
hasn't
been
doing
that
for
a
long
time
and
that
they've
actually
started
many
of
those
fires
over
the
last
few
years
from
their
their
trees,
falling
into
their
power
lines
and
starting
fire.
E
So
that's
a
new
england
is
doing
a
really
good
job
and
chasing
that
it's
it's
a
you
know
it's
a
little
cumbersome
if
the
trees
happen
to
be
in
somebody's
private
yard,
but
still
in
our
easement,
you
know,
but
that's,
and
so
they
would
be
cutting
those.
They
should
be
cutting
those
trees.
E
Groton
utilities
should
be
going
in
there
anyway
and
culling
out.
They
don't
need
to
clear
cut.
They
just
need
to
grab
the
ones
that
are
too
tall,
but
that's
that's.
E
That's
not
part
of
this
application
and
that's
something
that
they
would
do
as
their
maintenance
and
there's
a
whole
different
process
for
for
maintenance
of
utility
lines
and
wetlands.
B
Can
I
ask
a
question
how
much
area
around
where
the
poles
are?
Do
you
have
to
put
cement
or
anything
like
that
around
those
metal
poles
or
they
just
stick
in
on
their
own.
E
No,
in
this
case,
what
they
they
do,
is
they
we
it's
a
metal.
E
And
so
that
goes
in
the
ground
and
then
they,
you
know
excavate
the
soil
slip
that
in
and
then
stand
the
pole
up
in
in
the
center
of
that
and
then
backfill
and
compact
gravel
around
it.
And
then
it
gets
it's
finished
off
at
a
level
with
the
in
wetlands.
We
have
to
do
it
level
in
in
uplands.
We
would
leave
it
up
like
six
to
eight
inches
and
for.
F
All
intents
and
purposes,
you
wouldn't
know
that
that's
underneath
there
there's
no
no
exposed
concrete
or
anything
else.
It
basically
just
looks
like
the
pole
in
the
ground,
like
you
would
normally.
This
is
a
pretty
typical
installation
that
I
I'd
be
willing
to
bet
you've
seen
just
about
everywhere
around
town,
without
knowing
what's
underneath
it.
B
E
Those
are
usually
bigger
poles
than
these.
These
are
kind
of
like
you
know,
for
lack
of
a
better
word.
These
are
like
intermediate
sized
bowls.
This
isn't
one
of
those
large
lines,
but
in
the
big
ones
they
need
many
times.
They
need
a
concrete
foundation
with
bolts.
E
You
know
both
bolts
sticking
up
and
the
pole
gets
bolted
down
onto
the
concrete
platform
and
yeah
so
yeah,
not
that
tight.
It's
okay.
E
F
I
I
want
to
be
clear
as
well
we're
not
adding
any
additional
length
to
these
poles.
This
is,
for,
for
all
intents
and
purposes,
of
a
life
for
like
replacement
to
the
wood
poles
that
are
there.
The
difference
is
we're
going
with
steel
to
eliminate
the
need
to
come
back
here
and
do
this
again
when
those
wood
poles
get
deteriorated
and
to
increase
reliability
in
the
area
because
it
is
hard
to
get
to,
and
there
is
a
wetland,
it's
a
very
hard
to
access
area,
so
the
steel
material
is
strictly
for
that.
A
E
What
I
did,
if
you
go
in,
where
it's
it's
fairly
easy
to
access,
because
it's
like
a
upland
knoll,
it
must
have
been
built
either
by
the
ledges
or
it
could
have
been
built
when
they
did
the
original
line.
You
know
they
probably
put
phil
in
there
in
1970,
I'm
sure
nobody
was
getting
a
permit
for
anything
then,
and
so
I
marked
the
outside
by
the
sidewalk
with
long
vertical
blue
tape.
C
E
First,
before
you
get
to
the
blue
flag,
so
I
tried
to
make
it
easy
to
find
and
and
and
find
your
way
in.
D
If
you
like,
I'm
in
the
area,
this
is
kevin.
I'd
like
to
walk
it
down.
I
would
be
glad
to
explore
the
area
and
then
explain
you
know,
convert
the
information,
that's
on
the
presentation
to
the
actual
work
site
that,
if
that
helps.
B
Yeah
typically
the
comes
with
us
on
the
wetlands
sidewalks,
it's
not
obviously
mandatory,
but
typically
one
representative
from
the
applicant
comes,
but
as
long
as
we
have
deb,
we
have
no
fear.
A
All
right,
so
when
what's
what's
a
good
time
for
you
guys,
our
next
meeting
is
not
until
september
8th.
So
there's
a
bit
of
august
left.
C
F
C
A
So
I'm
sorry
say
again,
please
no!
I
was
just
asking
you
to
mute.
We
could
hear
what
was
going
on.
Oh
I
did
there.
We
go
it's
okay,.
C
The
next
week,
the
23rd,
maybe
monday
afternoon
or
I
know
barbara's,
I
can't
make
that
okay,
the
23rd
is
all
right.
It's
the
30th
that
I
can't
okay.
B
C
B
All
right,
let's
say
the
23rd
at
one
o'clock,
does
that
work
for
you
guys.
B
All
right,
24,
one
we'll
sight,
walk
this
and
I
know
we'll
get
a
a
letter
to
tell
us
where
to
go
on
yeah.
C
A
C
Like
a
client,
I
make
a
motion
to
classify
the
utility
installation
miner.
B
Barbara
williams,
you
want
a
second
back,
oh
dear
okay,
I
think
we
better
just
wait
till
the
next
meeting
to
to
classify
it,
then,
because
I
don't
know
where
barbara.
A
Is
she's
she's
here
there
she
is
wow.
A
B
B
A
second
to
classify
this
application
for
the
replacement
of
telephone
poles
optic
drive
is
minor
all
those
in
favor
signify.
By
saying
I
I
there
we
go
any
opposed,
so
moved
all
right,
so
we've
got
it
classified
and
we've
got
a
sitewalk
set
for
the
23rd
of
august
at
1pm
excellent.
F
E
All
right:
well,
thanks
for
the
excellent
map,
presentation,
dev,
sure.
B
B
F
B
B
I
know
ever
anyway
just
just
quickly
knowing
ledger
road
I've
driven
by
there,
it
looks
like
they've
got
some
seed
down.
They've
got
some
straw
over
it.
Yes,
and
there
was
some
question
and
thank
bruce
by
the
way
for
sending
out
his
letter
to
say
that
he
had
looked
at
it
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff
had
a
question.
They
had
a
question
on
what
to
plant.
I
thought
we
were
pretty
clear
about
that,
but.