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From YouTube: Groton Inland Wetlands Agency 12/14/22
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Groton, Connecticut municipal meeting: Inland Wetlands Agency December 14, 2022. Click on the link below to view the agenda.
https://www.agendasuite.org/iip/groton/file/getfile/70933
A
B
A
All
right
public
hearing
procedures-
people
are
here
if
they
want
to
comment
who
are
the
applicants
going
to
present?
First,
then
there
will
be
time
for
public
comment.
I,
just
ask
you
to
state
your
name
and
resonance
and
to
keep
your
comments
pertinent
to
Wetlands
items,
traffic
and
all
the
kinds
of
things
all
right,
you're
ready
to
to
go.
D
All
right
good
evening,
everybody
for
the
record,
Greg
canover,
director
of
public
works
for
the
town
of
Groton,
representing
the
applicant
town
of
Groton,
for
the
quick
Farm
Road
Culvert
Bridge
replacement
I
just
want
to
give
a
brief
background
and
then
have
Shelley
plude
who's.
With
our
consultant
engineer
with
SLR
to
go
over
the
details
of
this
project
is.
D
D
I
did
look
up
in
a
an
old
beers
Atlas
from
1868
and
found
that
this
road
actually
existed
back
then
Haley
Road
actually
went
up
and
cut
across
where
Baker
Farm
is
then
continue
to
land
tone
into
Legends.
This
Crossing
has
been
there
for
over
150
years.
Obviously
it
was
a
Timber
Bridge
or
a
rock
still
covered
it
back
then.
D
So
anyway,
coming
up
to
more
recent
history
in
the
late
2017
I
got
a
call
from
our
Highway
guys.
They
were
noticing
some
severe
settlements.
Out
at
this
Crossing,
so
I
went
out.
There
found
that
the
corrugated
metal
pipes
had
actually
either
right
away
or
failed,
and
they
had
sunk
down
into
the
stream
beds
and
it's
separated
by
about
four
or
five
inches
from
the
stone
Culvert,
and
you
know
the
whole
Road
bed
was
undermined.
You
know
we
determined
it
was
not
a
safe
condition.
D
D
D
So
that's
kind
of
the
background.
Where
We,
Are
and
Shelly
goes
through
all
the
the
details
of
it
and
I
did
want
to
state
that
you
know
we
do
have
a
couple
of
easements.
We
need
to
get
from
Property
Owners,
which
is
the
Groton
open
space
Association
contemporary
and
a
permanent
user
from
them
he's
been
getting
an
acknowledgment
from
them
and
it
was
in
the
agenda
packet.
They
are
aware
of
the
project.
D
It
gave
us
a
lot
of
science
as
such
and
then
just
recently
this
week
we
did
receive
an
acknowledgment
from
the
houses
which
are
to
the
South,
because
we
do
need
a
temporary
construction
using
from
them.
So
they
did
a
sign
and
acknowledge
that,
but
we
didn't
have
couldn't
get
that
in
the
agenda
packet
because
it
just
came
in
a
few
days
ago.
So.
E
G
F
G
F
Sure
is
okay:
this
is
driven
largely
by
the
spillway.
That's
Downstream
and
that'll
show
up
on
the
subsequent
slide,
but
just
want
to
give
you
an
aerial
of
what
we're
we're
dealing
with
here.
So
we've
got
Wetlands
pretty
much
up
to
the
bottom
of
the
embankment
on
both
sides.
There's
a
couple
of
tributaries
that
come
in
I
think
this
is
a
historic
cranberry
blog
at
one
point.
This
came
up
in
the
nddb
screening,
which
you'll
see
a
little
bit
later,
but
I'm
going
to
scroll
to
the
next.
F
So
this
is
the
FEMA
flood
map
we're
in
an
a
zone.
So
this
is
not
a
studied
Zone.
There
were
no
elevations
associated
with
this
floodplain.
That's
still
way
that
I
talked
about
is
right
here
at
the
base
of
the
at
the
base
of
the
flood
plain,
so
it
extends
up.
The
existing
covert
is
hydraulically
Underside
So,
based
on
the
modeling,
the
roadway
wood
over
top,
under
today's
conditions,
the
black
hatching
over
on
the
side.
That's
the
500
here,
but
this
is
the
the
regulatory
floodplain
for
the
Quaker
firm,
covert.
F
And
just
a
little
bit
about
what
Greg
was
just
saying,
so
you
can
see.
This
is
really
the
very
typical
of
this
type
of
covert.
You
start
to
have
that
corrosion
along
the
water
line
that
leads
to
section
loss
and
fracture
of
the
pipe
so
that
the
inlet
ends
of
the
pipes
have
started
to
collapse,
creating
that
gap,
which
is
allowing
that
road
wind
material
to
continue
swapping
out
through
that
head
wall.
F
F
Just
a
couple
of
site
photos:
you
can
see
that
the
wetlands
that
we
have
both
up
and
downstream
fairly
extensive
and
then
that
that's
this
is
the
spillway
that
I
was
referring
to
earlier.
This
is
generally
what
governs
the
hydraulics
in
this
area.
It
backs
up
all
that
water
to
microphone,
Farm,
Road
and
North.
F
The
cover
is
a
restriction
on
the
the
water
course,
but
this
is
the
driving
Factor
and
then
I
know
that
this
will
be
a
subjective
discussion
tonight.
You
know
we're
aware
that
there
is
a
history
of
beaver
activity
in
The
Preserve.
So
generally
Upstream
we
didn't
observe
any
beavers.
When
our
Wetland
soil
scientists
were
out
there,
we
didn't
observe
any
in
the
immediate
vicinity
of
the
covert.
F
So
it's
hard
to
say
if
the
debris
that's
in,
there
is
deliberate
I'm
part
of
the
Beavers,
or
this
is
a
byproduct
of
their
Upstream
activities,
just
getting
washed
down
and
clogging
the
pipes,
because
that
is
another.
You
know
sort
of
Telltale
condition
for
this
type
of
covert
as
they
are.
They
are
debris
grown,
but
obviously,
if
you
have
Beaver
activity,
it's
just
going
to
versus.
F
F
So
this
is
this:
is
our
proposed
design?
I've
got
a
couple
other
figures
to
to
show
this
a
little
bit
more
detail,
so
we're
taking
those
two
54-inch
pipes
which
are
right
about
here
and
the
new
structure
is
going
to
be
a
26
foot,
clearspan
Bridge,
so
you're
going
from
about
nine
feet
of
hydraulic
width
to
26
feet
of
hydraulic,
but
for
the
channel
and
that's
driven
by
a
couple
of
different
vectors.
F
So
obviously
we
have
Army
core
and
Dev
permits
that
we
have
to
get
for
this
project
as
well
and
they
have
their
own
sets
of
requirements.
So
one
of
the
things
they
like
to
see
is
the
new
Crossing
spanning
1.2
times
the
thankful
width
of
the
channel.
So
the
average
you
know
full
width
of
the
channel
when
it's
flowing.
F
They
want
to
take
that
width
plus
a
little
extra
20
so
that
you
reduce
the
likelihood
of
debris
and
it
provides
a
little
more
animal
passage
space
through
the
new
Crossing,
so
our
Wetland
soil
scientists
when
they
came
out
and
flagged.
This
also
went
up
and
downstream
outside
of
the
influence
of
the
structure
and
of
the
dam
to
try
and
come
up
without
being
full
measurement.
So
they
took
the
measurements
and
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
we
ended
up
with
the
26
foot
span.
F
F
So
the
new
bridge
is
going
to
be
concrete,
abutments
with
pile
foundations,
because
with
the
bigger
opening
we
do
predict
some
amount
of
scours.
So
we're
doing
the
Deep
foundations
to
rock
to
make
sure
that
that
doesn't
become
a
problem
in
the
future
and
then
the
superstructure
will
be
pre-stressed
themes,
so
that
should
come
together.
It'll
have
a
nice
smooth
bottom
so
that
you
won't
have
debris
getting
hung
up
in
between
any
beams.
F
F
The
green
and
the
yellow
is
temporary
impacts
to
the
water
course
and
the
the
wetlands
area,
just
associated
with
temporary
Coffer,
damming
that
we
need
to
have
as
a
part
of
our
construction
process.
Then
the
permanent
impacts
to
the
wetlands
are
here
in
Orange,
and
so
that's
driven
by
two
things.
So
right
now
the
roadway
embankment
drops
off
right
from
the
edge
of
pavement
so
that
that
undermines
the
edge
of
the
roadway
a
little
bit.
F
But
to
install
a
new
guide
rail,
we
need
to
have
a
shoulder
underneath
that
guide
rail
for
it
to
be
installed
properly
to
function
properly.
So
we
have
to
grade
that
out
a
little
bit
and
then
re-grade
it,
but
really
the
so.
That's
that's
some
of
this
impact,
and
that's
where
the
fill
is
coming
from
is
adjusting
that
slope
to
accommodate
the
guide
row,
but
the
rest
of
that
is
also
creating
that
new
channel
and
building
those
Contours
back.
F
So
if
it's
a
combination
of
the
roadway
and
then
shaping
the
new
channel
for
the
permanent
impacts
to
the
to
the
Wellens
and
the
and
then
just
to
clarify
this
graphic,
the
orange
is
our
Wetland
limit.
The
state
Wetland
limit,
the
blue
is
the
ordinary
high
water,
and
then
this
is
the
FEMA
floodplain,
which
is
not
really
tied
to
any
elevations.
It's
a
graphical
representation.
F
Oh
and
then
just
as
far
as
our
cut
fill,
so
this
looks
a
little
worse
than
it
is
the
blue
is
the
fill.
The
red
is
the
cut
when
we're
in
the
roadway
we're
talking.
I
mean
for
the
most
part,
The
Fill
in
general,
we're
talking
about
a
couple
of
inches
in
terms
of
adjusting
the
grade.
We're
matching
the
profile
of
the
road,
but
we're
fixing
some
cross
slope
issues
to
make
sure
that
the
road
is
draining
properly.
F
F
F
The
beaver
concerns.
So
obviously,
right
now
this
is
this
is
fairly
typical
of
what
these
pipes
look
like,
and
this
comes
and
goes
as
the
water
washes.
This
down.
Like
I
said
we
don't
know
if
this
is
deliberate
or
if
this
is
just
a
byproduct
of
what's
going
on
Upstream,
but
the
new
Cobra
is
going
to
mitigate
this
issue.
F
J
F
A
26
foot
clear
span,
which
hopefully
is
a
lot
more
difficult
for
them
to
do
so
if
this
is
deliberate,
this
should
be
very
good.
You
know
for
them
to
try
and
replicate
that
on
a
26
foot
bridge
is
going
to
be
very
difficult
if
this
is
just
a
product
of
what's
going
on
upstream-
and
this
is
just
getting
washed
down,
this
is
all
going
to
flow
through.
F
So
so
the
new
bridge
should
help
prevent
this
kind
of
debris
build
up,
because
this
is
also
reducing
the
capacity
of
the
Culvert
as
well.
So
any
flooding
that's
occurring
because
this
is
undersized,
is
just
worsening
because
that
debris
is
getting
hung
up
and
going
to
a
clear
spin
bridge
will
will
address
that
issue.
F
And
then
this
is
just
the
shape
of
the
the
proposed
Channel
we're
matching
generally
what's
out
there
today,
so
it
does
slope
up
a
little
bit
into
the
bridge
because
there's
some
scour
Upstream,
so
we're
generally
matching
that
slope,
and
the
other
thing
to
note
is
that,
even
though
we're
going
to
a
much
bigger
Bridge,
it's
not
going
to
certainly
speed
up
the
water,
which
is
another
thing
that
attracts
the
Beavers.
It's
still
a
very
low
flow,
Channel
or
sorry,
a
low
Velocity
Channel.
F
F
Foreign
just
a
sketch
of
the
general
construction
scheme,
so
obviously
we've
got
water
on
all
sides.
So,
in
order
to
excavate
to
be
able
to
install
these
buttons
we're
going
to
have
sheet
pile,
copper
dams,
so
that'll
enclose
the
excavation
that'll
help
limit
the
excavation.
So
we're
not
you
know,
moving
into
the
wetlands
anymore
than
we
have
to
so
that'll.
F
Keep
that
confined
allow
the
contractor
to
de-water,
install
the
foundations
and
then
we're
sort
of
doing
a
belt
and
suspenders
approach
by
doing
a
temporary
pipe
as
well
to
just
kind
of
help
keep
the
water
as
confined
as
we
can
to
make
it
easier
for
them
to
install
those
abutments
one
of
the
benefits
of
going
with
a
traditional
Bridge.
It
allows
us
to
fully
form
and
create
that
new
channel.
F
We
are
with
full
access
before
we
put
that
superstructure
on
top
of
it
and
I'll
talk
about
the
other
Alternatives
that
you
considered
and
how
it
made
it
harder
for
us
to
do
that
so
we'll
be
able
to.
The
contractor
will
have
plenty
of
room
to
make
sure
he's
properly
constructing
installing
that
channel.
Once.
F
Are
in
the
channel
is
done
and
the
what
the
superstructure
on
and
they'll
be
out
of
the
water
well,
but
without
having
to
relocate
or
or
fully
bypass,
the
water
course
and
we're
targeting
2023
construction.
The
exact
start
date
is
going
to
vary
depending
on
when
dot
obligates
the
money
we'll
have
to
submit
everything
to
them
and
then
they'll
have
to
sign
off,
but
we
are
still
targeting
2023
construction,
probably
an
estimated
you
know
six
to
seven
month
construction
schedule,
so
they
started
in
April.
They'd,
be
finishing.
F
F
And
then,
once
all
that
is
done
once
the
bridge
is
in,
we
do
intend
to
fully
restore
the
site.
So
we
have
a
couple
of
different
hatches
here.
The
new
channel
bottom
will
consist
of
native
stream
bed
materials,
so
that'll
be
material
that
is
intended
to
match
as
closely
as
possible
the
gradation
of.
What's
out
there.
F
Now
there
is
going
to
be
some
some
rounded
rib
rep
at
the
abutments,
but
that
will
be
covered
with
that
channel
bed
material,
so
we'll
have
a
little
bit
of
armoring,
but
then
it'll
be
it'll
be
covered
by
the
native
material.
So
you
won't
have
large
Stone
that's
going
to
be
visible
from
a
planting
perspective,
so
the
whole
all
of
the
Disturbed
areas
will
be
seated
with
a
conservation
seed
mix.
So
that's
all
Native
we're
not
doing
a
lawn
type
seeding.
F
The
water
elevation
along
the
embankments
we've
specified
a
series
of
shrubs,
so
we
have
speckled
all
their
Button
Bush,
sweet,
pepper,
bush,
milberry
and
black
choke
Berry
and
that'll
get
spaced.
You
know
our
Wetland
soil
scientists
will
be
on
site,
coordinate
with
the
contractor,
exactly
where
they're
going
to
go,
but
we
specified
the
elevations.
F
So
the
speckled
all
different
Button
Bush
are
going
to
go
closer
to
the
water
line
and
the
others
will
be
more
Upland
and
then
we've
also
added
some
herbaceous
plugs,
which
will
go
right
along
the
toe
of
that
root,
wrap
and
actually
be
in
the
water.
So
it'll
help
naturalize
this
new
channel
as
quickly
as
possible.
F
So
now,
as
far
as
far
as
the
other
Alternatives
that
we
considered
before
we
settled
on
the
the
full
Bridge
replacement,
we
are
the
sorry,
the
traditional
Bridge
with
the
abutments
and
the
superstructure.
We
did
look
at
a
couple
of
other
Alternatives.
One
of
them
was
a
three-sided
covert
and
the
disadvantage
of
this-
if
you
can
see
from
from
where
you're
sitting,
is
that
so
the
covert
is
you
know
it
comes
all
in
one
piece.
F
So
what
they
would
have
to
do
here
is
as
they're
setting
each
piece
they're
trying
to
create
the
channel
inside
that
confined
space,
it's
very
difficult
for
them
to
do
it's
difficult
for
them
to
do
it
neatly
and
accurately,
and
with
the
limited
space
that
we
have,
we
would
probably
need
to
do
a
temporary
bypass
offset
from
the
existing
alignment
so
that
they
would
have
the
room
to
even
do
that,
while
they're
trying
to
work
under
that
covert
as
they're
setting
HP.
So
just
some
challenges.
Constructability
challenges
associated
with
this
particular
alternative.
F
And
then
very
similar
to
the
closed
bottom
box
cover.
You
know
we
looked
at
this
because
the
soils
out
here
are
actually
very
solid,
very
good,
so
a
box
Culvert
could
easily
be
tolerated
from
a
geotechnical
perspective,
but
then
you
have
the
obvious
issue
of
where
does
the
water
go
while
we're
installing
this?
So
certainly
this
one
would
have
to
have
a
bypass,
probably
at
the
low
point
over
here
where
we
could
connect
to
this
tributary
coming
in.
F
So
we
would
have
to
ship
that
water
over
and
then
with
box
forwards,
even
in
the
local.
Obviously
Channel
like
this,
that
material
does
migrate.
You
could
have
an
exposed
bottom
in.
You
know
five
ten
years
as
that
material
moves
around,
and
the
other
downside
to
to
this
particular
alternative
was
that
with
smaller
span
boxes
you
can
skew
them
in
so
that
it
matches
the
road
with
a
large
thing,
it's
much
harder
for
them
to
fabricate
and
so
you'd
have
these.
You
wouldn't
be
able
to
to
skew
the
bridge
to
match
the
road.
F
F
Would
be
on
it
now
you
know,
could
could
we
have
done
a
one-lane
bridge
and
try
and
reduce
the
impacts
and
it
really
wasn't
a
feasible
alternative.
Greg
mentioned
the
the
funding
program
or
under
the
state,
local
bridge
funding,
program
and
further
guidelines.
You
cannot
install
a
one-lane
bridge
where
there
is
not
currently
a
one
main
Bridge.
F
If
you
rarely
dot
has
made
an
exception,
but
you
really
have
to
prove
that
the
traffic
going
justifies
the
reduction
from
two
lanes
to
one,
and
without
that
data
you
know
you
could
put
it
into
one
lane.
Bridge
and
Dot
could
flag
it
as
soon
as
it's
been
reopened,
so
it
would
have
been
a
very
tough
sell
to
try
and
to
try
and
put
it
with
my
inversion
here
from
the
perspective
of
the
state,
and
the
other
thing
to
consider
is
that
it
really
wouldn't
have
reduced
the
index.
F
F
And
then,
last
but
not
least,
just
the
additional
coordination
that
we've
had
to
do
so
to
cover
our
to
get
our
Army
Corps
permits.
We've
had
to
do
shippo
coordination
they've,
given
us
a
no
adverse
effect
this,
so
the
stone
that's
out
there
today,
there's
some
interest
in
whether
or
not
that
could
be
reused.
F
F
Dep
Fisheries
has
signed
off
so
they're
comfortable
with
it.
Obviously,
with
the
spillway
Downstream
fish
Passage
through
this
area
is
limited
anyway,
which
kind
of
covers
the
band
and
some
fish.
So
our
national,
diverse
natural
diversity
database
final
determination
was
received.
There
were
three
species
or
three
species
per
se,
but
so
there's
the
whimper
will
we're
not
really
in
a
location
where
we're
going
to
be
impacting
them.
That
typically
requires
a
more
forested
area,
but
there's
just
some
limitations
on
the
tree
clearing
the
time
of
year.
F
For
that
Fisheries,
clear,
that's
for
the
abandoned
Sunfish
and
then
the
poor
Fen
we've
met
with
dep
in
the
field
to
look
at
the
site,
because
this
was
flagged
based
on
Old
aerial
imagery,
not
by
actual
boots
on
the
ground.
So
they
kind
of
raise
the
flag
saying
we
just
want
to
check
this
and
really
the
location.
If
there
is
a
poor
fan
area,
it
was
going
to
be
over
here
in
that
cranberry
and
that
historic
cranberry
pond
so
dep,
was
out
there
at
the
site.
F
They
concurred
that
we
don't
have
orphan
in
the
area
that
we're
going
to
be
impacting
we're
also
Downstream
of
any
potential
location.
So
any
changes
to
the
Hydraulics
are
Downstream
of
where
that
might
be.
It
should
not
affect.
But
again
we
don't
know
if
it's
even
still
there.
It
was
flagged
based
on
historic
aerial,
imagery
and
then
the
other
thing
we
had
to
do
requirement
of
the
Army
Corps
permit
is
check
with
the
U.S
fish
and
wildlife
so
nddb.
This
is
all
state
species.
F
This
is
federal,
so
the
typical
northern
long-eared
bat-
and
this
is
their
the
areas
with
the
known
hybridicula.
Obviously,
we're
way
down
here
so
we're
not
in
a
known
area
for
those
and
then
monarch
butterfly,
but
we're
we're
not
in
a
site,
that's
really
conducive
to
those
as
well.
So
those
should
not
be
a
concern
either.
G
F
I
mentioned
the
1.2
times
being
full
width
required
from
dep
so
they're
asking
us
to
make
the
channel
20
bigger
than
the
actual
River
wants
to
where
the
Watercourse
wants
to
be
so
creating
that
20.
But
it's
a
little
bit
of
Bank
space
on
the
other
side
and
then
the
way
that
we've
shaped
the
channel
under
low
low
condition
there
should
be
actual
Crossing
space
Oh.
L
F
F
Well,
this
should
significantly
reduce
the
towers
long-term
maintenance
needs.
Obviously,
the
existing
covert
is
a
restriction.
So
even
without
the
Upstream
Beaver
activity,
it's
going
to
be
prone
to
degree,
clogging
it
and
really
any
kind
of
structure
like
that
should
be
checked
somewhere
regularly
to
make
sure
it's
not
clogging,
because
the
clogging
can
cause
flooding
the
clogging
can
cause
damage
to
the
structure.
F
L
F
F
F
I
B
F
B
F
So
you
know
in
a
heavy
rain,
that'll
come
through
once
a
year.
Basically,
so
we
looked
at
that
and
we
looked
at
the
water
surface
elevations
we
run
in
existing
conditions
model
so
for
the
existing
Bridge.
We
look
at
what
those
water
surface
facilitations
are,
and
then
we
run
a
proposed
model
and
we
looked
at
that
one
year
event
and
made
sure
that
those
allocations
in
the
model
match.
So
you
know
the
hydraulic
models
there.
F
You
know,
based
on
the
survey
data
they're,
based
on
like
lidar
data,
there's,
there's
some
plus
or
minus
there,
but
from
the
modeling
that
we
have
the
proposed
and
the
existing
match
at
that
low-level
event,
which
would
be
what
would
impact
dewatering
of
those
Wetlands
yeah,
and
that
was
also
what
drove
that
confined
channel
that
restrict
channels.
So,
even
though
the
bridge
is
going
to
be
26
feet,
I
don't
know.
Can
you
go
to
that
slide?
F
F
B
Appreciate
that
clarification
and
then
I
just
have
one
last
question
just
for
the
record.
We
all
walk
this
property,
so
we've
all
seen
seen
it
in
the
field
and
when
we
were
in
the
field
Greg
mentioned
that
he
had
been
dealing
with
Beaver
for
a
number
of
years
and
so
I
just
needed
a
little
clarification.
You're
talking
a
lot
about
Upstream
fever
activity.
Has
there
been
some
more
information
passed
that
I
haven't
heard.
F
No
no
I
mean
there's,
it
sounded
like
we've
gotten
a
comments
saying
somebody
had
seen
beavers
in
the
the
preserved
area,
actually
I'm,
not
entirely
sure
where
you
know
short
of
scrapping
them
and
removing
them.
There's
no
like
there's
not
a
damn
at
the
site
for
us
to
remove
or
to
to
try
and
address.
So
our
Focus
was
just
to
put
together
something
that
would
be
less
prone
to
catching
and
need
to
breathing.
They
might
be
producing
and
they
are
active
Upstream,
the
other.
You
know
this.
F
Could
this
could
just
be
detritus
from
any
dams
that
we
have
that's
getting
washed
down
and
getting
stuck?
That's
just
gonna
pass
through
it's
just
going
to
wash
through
now
and
then
you
know
we're
not.
Opening
this
up
and
I
was
gonna,
be
rushing
water,
that's
going
to
be
attracting
them
to
this
location,
so
they
shouldn't
be
drawn
here
to
try
and
you
know,
create
a
new
dam.
F
B
And
the
town,
the
town
recently
sent
Annie
and
I
to
a
really
great
conference,
and
they
there
was
a
presentation
on
a
beaver.
I
have
all
this
stuff
here,
I,
don't
know
if
we
won
in
the
record
or
anything
like
that,
but
it's
a
beaver
diversion
yada
yada.
Where
is
it
appear
somewhere
there?
It
is,
have
you
looked
into
devices
I,
don't
know:
they're
they're,
Beaver
diversion
devices.
F
B
F
Yeah,
there's
no
something
as
far
as
the
bridge
is
concerned.
The
the
best
thing
we
can
do
is
just
to
open
this
up
so
that
it
doesn't
get
clogged
by
whatever
activity
might
be
going
on
upstream
and
that
this
isn't
something
that
they
can
clog
if
they
choose
to.
If
they
come
to
this
site,
to
be
kind
of
hard
for
them
to
create
a
damp.
That's
you
know
26
feet
across
before
you
guys
even
realize
that
they've
done
it.
So
you
know,
like
I,
said
our
Wetland
scientists
see
an
Uber
activity
at
the
site.
G
F
F
Yeah,
it's
not
going
to
increase
flooding
under
those
those
major
events
under
the
Hundred
Year
storm,
the
water
surface
elevation
is
coming
down.
It's
just
that
that
normal
flow
that
affects
the
Wetland
size
that
we
made
sure
we
matched
that,
but
there
should
be
no
water.
Surface
elevation
increases.
That's
a.
K
K
M
M
First
I
thought
the
plan
looks
great.
We
support
it
and
we'll
help
out.
However,
we
can.
The
question
I
have
is
during
stage
two
of
the
construction
it
has
to
do
with
the
bypass
pipe,
which
is
a
48
inch.
Pipe
I
would
just
like
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
that,
because
it
seems
like
at
least
they're
in
that
stage
of
construction.
If
we
had
a
lot
of
rain
or
whatever
there'd
be
less
less
flow,
unless
I'm
probably
missing
something
so
I
would
love
to
hear
how
that's
going
to
work.
F
Sure
so,
when
it
comes
to
temporary
bypass
pipes,
they're
sized
a
little
bit
differently
than
the
bridge
would
be
so
they're
sized
based
on
how
long
we
anticipate
them
being
in
place
and
what
the
largest
rain
event
isn't.
That's
anticipated
for
that
duration.
So
that's
why
you
know
we're
able
to
put
in
that
that
48
inch
pipe
is
because
we're
you
know
this
should
be
occurring
during
the
summer
months
when
the
water
is
low
and
that
pipe
should
should
be
in
place
or
you
know,
maybe
two
months.
F
Well,
they
do
a
month
to
two
months,
I
would
say,
while
they're
doing
the
abutments
as
soon
as
the
abutments
are
in
and
the
channels
in
that
pipe
comes
out.
So
it's
it's
intended
to
be
there
for
a
fairly
limited
time
and
the
the
design
guidelines
that
we
follow
is
to
size
that
pipe
for
the
storm
based
on
the
duration
that
it's
in
place.
So
it's
it's
sized
for
a
smaller
storm.
I,
don't
know
off
the
top,
but
I
don't
recall
off
the
top
of
my
head.
F
If
it's,
you
know
two
times
the
average
spring
flow
before
you
know
a
winter
event,
but
it's
size
for
a
smaller
level
of
storm,
and
that's
why
we've
got
that
that
that
48
inch
diameter
pipe.
But
the
other
thing
too
is
that
from
a
water
handling
perspective,
if
that,
if
we
were
to
get
a
major
storm,
you
know
the
contractors
got
to
keep
his
his
eye
on
the
weather.
F
F
G
C
F
F
Restrictions
is
okay,
we
don't
want
you
doing
things
during
certain
times
of
year,
because
that's
going
to
be
most
disruptive
to
their
nesting
periods
of
their
breeding
periods
or
whatever
the
case
may
be
so
yoga
is
going
to
be
noise
related
to
the
construction,
but
it's
there's
limitations
on
when
they
can
do
certain
activities
to
limit
the
impacts
that
it
has
on
the
the
wildlife
in
the
area
and
then
as
far
as
noise.
You
know,
it's
very
you
know,
you're
concerned
with
where
you
live.
F
You
know
the
contractor
hours
will
be
limited
during
the
daytime.
So
they're
not
going
to
be.
You
know
hammering
piles
in
while
you're
trying
to
sleep.
So
hopefully
you
know
the
noisiest
part
of
this
is
going
to
be
one
of
those
files
going
and
that'll,
be.
You
know
a
couple
weeks
and
then
it'll
be
done.
The
rest
of
it
shouldn't
shouldn't
be
too
bad.
F
F
F
So
so
we're
not
we're
not
letting
more
water
in
that
the
channel
can
handle
which
is
just
going
to
level
out,
but
there
there
shouldn't
be
any
impacts.
Downstream
of
this
foreign,
our
limits
of
the
channel
reconstruction,
pretty
much
extend
just
to
the
to
the
limits
of
the
right-of-way
or
just
past
the
limits
of
the
right
away.
So
that's
that's
not
physically
we're
not
impacting
how
large.
C
Ready
yep
all
right,
so
thanks
for
that,
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
a
few
things.
So
you
know
we
had
a
staff
review
back
in
November
1st
and
we
had
asked
the
applicant
specifically
to
explore
other
Alternatives,
which
I
think
they
answered
pretty
well,
but
the
one
thing
I
wanted
just
to
clarify
because
it
was
is
part
of
the
notes
there.
So
the
single
lane
bridge.
Besides
the
impacts,
the
The
increased
impacts
to
the
to
the
Wetland
for
creating.
F
Right
so
from
from
a
one-land
bridge
perspective,
you
know
if
a
one-lane
bridge
were
to
be
installed.
You'd
have
that
stop
controlled,
so
you'd
approach
from
either
side
stop
and
then
take
turns
Crossing,
but
you're
complicated
slightly
by
the
fact
that
now
you've
gotten
the
intersection
here
as
well,
and
that
one
lane,
you
know
you
probably
have
the
stock
control
here
in
the
stock
control
here.
F
But
one
of
the
things
that
you
need
to
to
make
sure
you
can
accommodate
is
the
ability
for
somebody
who
stopped
here
to
see
somebody
stop
here
and
what
you'd
have
to
do.
In
order
to
maintain
that
is
you
probably
have
to
take
a
bigger
easement
from
the
the
parcel
on
the
South
Side
so
from
the
stopping
point
for
these
Northbound
Vehicles?
They
need
to
be
able
to
see
across
to
here.
F
So
this
needs
to
be
kept
clear
in
order
for
them
to
be
able
to
see
for
people
to
be
able
to
make
those
turns
and
not
threaten
to
each
other
on
the
bridge,
and
so
that's
something
to
consider
or
if
you
know
a
one-lane
bridge
were
an
alternative
that
you
know
really
you
the
town
would
be
having
to
come
out
here.
You
know
regularly
cutting
this
down
to
make
sure
that
that
people
can
see,
and
then
you
know,
you're
not
really
getting.
C
C
The
applicant
has
provided
convincing
evidence
that
there
are
not
feasible
or
prudent
alternatives
to
the
design.
I
think,
especially
with
the
the
two
lane
down
to
the
one
lane,
due
to
the
the
greater
impacts,
potential,
greater
impacts
to
Wetland
because
of
grading
and
then
also
because
of
the
safety
concerns
from
a
visibility
perspective
and
then
obviously
the
you
know.
The
the
other
piece
too
is
that
going
from
a
nine
foot
to
a
26
foot,
spam
Bridge
represents
significant
hydrological
and
ecological
benefits
from
that.
C
What
would
the
existing
undersides
failed
to
cover
to
pipe
Culvert
and
we'll
recite
the
result
in
more
of
a
naturalized
Channel
back,
bringing
it
back
to
what
it
kind
of
used
to
be
and
and
the
other
piece
that
I
think
is
important
to
that
wasn't
on
the
original
plans
was
the
Wetland
mitigation
plan,
specifically
for
the
plantings,
specifically,
it's
mostly
a
seed
mix
and
they've
added
a
bunch
of
of
of
of
shrubs
in
there,
as
well
as
the
plugs
as
well
to
enhance
that
whole
area.
There.
G
C
A
K
A
H
G
E
K
K
A
A
J
B
Well,
I
think
again,
if
we
just
had
I
think
it's
going
to
be
important
to
timing
of
this.
Oh
I
understand
that
there's
I
think
it's
going
to
be
important
for
the
timing
of
this
construction.
I
understand
that
you
have
to
wait
for
money
and
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
but
I
do
think
low
flow
timing
would
be
super
important
and
then
just
made
me
since
obviously
Public
Works
doesn't
want
this
thing
clogging
up
anymore,
then
anybody
who's
Upstream
wants
it
clogging
up.
So
we
just
maybe
have
one
contingency.
C
I
C
Thing
the
draft
motion
that
is
presented
around
to
you
so
in
terms
of
of
the
schedule
I,
did
take
what
was
asked
for
by
kind
of
get
deep
and
put
that
as
one
of
the
conditions
in
terms
of
all
unconfined
in
Water
Works
shall
be
restricted
to
the
period
of
June
1st
to
September,
30th,
inclusive,
the
insulation
or
removal
of
water
control.
Structures
such
as
Coffer
damage
is
acceptable.
Foreign.
G
C
H
B
I'll
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
speaker,
Farm
Road,
Bridge
replacement.
This
application
is
to
fill
187
square
feet
of
Inland
wetlands
and
to
impact
415
square
feet
of
in
llewellens.
The
activity
is
associated
with
the
replacement
of
the
existing
Quaker
Farm
Road
Bridge
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
application
for
the
following
reasons.
B
The
agency
finds
that
a
prudent
and
visible
alternative
does
not
exist
for
the
billion
of
187
square
feet
of
wetlands
and
that
the
applicant
has
provided
convincing
evidence
that
reducing
the
bridge
design
from
two
lanes
down
to
one
lane
will
not
result
in
less
impact
equivalent.
The
agency
notes
that
reducing
the
design
down
to
one
laid
could
in
fact
incur
greater
level
of
impact
on
the
Wetland
resource
due
to
far
more
extensive
grading
of
the
slope
of
the
embankment.
B
In
addition
to
one
lane,
design
would
cause
potential
Public,
Safety
and
visibility
issues,
the
location
of
the
crossing
just
75
feet,
west
of
the
intersection
with
Haley
Road
number
two,
the
proposed
26
foot
clear
span
Bridge
represents
significant
hydrological
and
ecological
improvements
over
the
existing
undersized
two
pipe
Culvert
number.
Three.
The
project
will
result
in
an
open
bottom
naturalized
channel.
That
is
more,
that
more
closely
mimics.
The
native
stream
bed
resulting
in
long-term
fish
passage,
less
clogging
of
Woody
debris
and
no
reduction
in
water
surface
elevations
of
the
Wetland
number
four.
B
The
sediment
and
Rose
erosion
control
plan
will
protect
the
wetlands
during
construction
number.
Five.
The
applicant
has
proposed
a
wetland
mitigation
plan
that
will
fully
restore
the
site
with
Native,
shrubs,
grasses
and
other
plantings.
This
permit
is
subject
to
the
four
standard
conditions
and
the
following
modification
number
one
all
unconfined
in-water
work
shall
be
restricted
to
period
of
June
1st
to
September,
30th,
inclusive,
the
installation
or
removal
of
water
control.
Structures
such
as
copper
dams
is
acceptable
during
this
period.
A
E
K
G
G
H
K
G
J
Share
there
we
go
okay,
I
was
getting
a
little
panicky,
because
I
I
didn't
have
the
option
to
to
for
my
camera
to
come
on
or
my
microphone.
So
it
was
a
little
concerned
that
it
wasn't
going
to
work
properly,
but
but
it
did
so,
we
had
the
site
walk
on
this
property
back
on
October
17th.
There
were
some
comments
that
were
generated
from
both
staff
and
some
of
the
commission
members.
J
I
J
We
also,
if
you
look
at
this
page
here,
we
also
change
the
house.
You
may
recall
the
owner
was
there
at
the
meeting
we
had
the
sitewalk.
He
had
some
plans
that
had
been
prepared
by
Peter
springsteel.
Originally
we
had
this
as
a
little
Cape
style
house
with
a
detached
garage.
The
latest
plans
that
he
has,
which
are
his
actual
intent
to
build
in
this
lot.
J
The
house
is
reflected
here
on
this
on
this
site.
Again,
the
one
for
lot
two
is
shown
as
basically
a
small
Cape
with
a
small
two-car
garage,
we're
not
sure
how
that's
going
to
pan
out
or
what's
going
to
be
built
there.
The
property
owner
intends
to
build
this
house
for
himself,
and
that
is
the
actual
house.
He
intends
to
build
we're
just
showing
this
one
as
a
conceptual
layout
and
a
potential
location
for
this
house.
J
We
addressed
as
I,
said
the
comments
from
planning.
There
were
several
comments
from
the
town
engineer
with
regards
to
extension
of
the
sewer
Ed
winky,
the
my
civil
engineering
structural
engineer
prepared
a
full
set
of
detailed
plans
for
the
sewer
extension
in
the
road
that
is
well
outside
the
Upland
review
area.
K
A
K
J
That's
well
that's
correct.
The
plan
is
designed
as
if
the
entire
property
was
going
to
be
developed.
When
it
comes
time,
I
would
assume
for
the
actual
building
permit
on
lot.
Two,
we
will
have
to
prepare
a
separate
soil
erosion
control
plan
that
can
be
reviewed
by
staff
to
make
sure
it's
adequate
for
the
development
of
that
particular
lot.
But
this
is
an
overall
erosion
and
sentiment
control
plan
and
again
you
know
both
houses
are
not
going
to
be
built
at
the
same
time.
J
B
G
K
D
D
I
J
E
You
sit,
you
know
that
there
shall
be
no
activity
that
75
feet
and
they
present
a
plan
to
the
building
official
that
meets
that
then
yeah,
you
don't
see
it
I
mean
we
look
at
it
to
make
sure
right.
But
if
it
turns
out
that
whoever
buys
that
house
decides,
they
want
something
really
big,
that's
right
and
something
that
gets
closer.
Then
they
have
the
opportunity
to
come
back
in
and
ask
for
another
permit.
B
G
G
B
G
B
L
A
H
A
B
B
I'll
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
catchmar
subdivision:
zero,
High
Street
or
the
construction
for
construction.
Then
the
Upland
review
area
to
approve
the
catch
more
application
for
the
following
reason:
there
is
no
loss
of
wetland
or
Watercourse
associated
with
this
application.
Number
two,
the
property,
sediment
and
erosion
controlled
plan-
will
adequately
protect
the
wetlands.
B
L
J
You
just
add,
if
you
don't
mind,
add
to
that
without
without
permission
or
without
further
review
by
your
commission,
because
I
don't
want
that.
That
sounds
to
me
like
it's
just
cut
and
dry
point
blank,
no
activity,
but
there
is
an
option
that
they
could
come
back
to
the
commission
for
further
review
in
the
future.
There.
B
J
H
A
A
A
E
E
H
C
H
B
Does
I
do
what
else
is
new
I?
Just
keep
talking
away
here?
Talk
this
much
anyway.
I
want
to
thank
the
town
for
sending
me
to
this
conference.
The
45th
annual
meeting,
Annie
and
I
went
right
and
we
went
with
the
Conservation
Commission
member.
It
was
really
nice
and
awesome.
We
carpool,
we
didn't
know
each
other,
but
he
called
me
up
found
my
number
I'm
like
okay,
anyway,
no
problem,
first
of
all,
I
just
always
want
to
go
on
record.
B
You
guys
are
great
coming
along,
but
I
always
want
to
go
on
record
as
saying
that
Deb
rocks
I'm
seriously
rocks
and
you
you
go
to
a
conference
like
this,
and
you
see
other
Wetland
people
there
and
you
realize
what
a
gift
Deb
is
in
terms
of
staff
to
us
and
has
been
for
a
really
long
time.
It's
gonna
be
a
hard
act
to
follow
anyway.
G
B
B
So
there
were
some
just
main
main
points
that,
in
my
opinion,
just
kept
being
reiterated.
The
first
was
you
know
this:
they
were
looking
back
at
50
years
of
the
Inland
weapons
regulations
being
you
know,
brought
on
so
their
first
thing
was
dep
needs
to
get
back
in
the
in
the
game.
Apparently
dep
is
very
understaffed,
seriously
understaffed,
so
that
was
one
of
their
biggest
thing.
They
feel
that
enforcement
needs
to
be
ramped
up.
This
is
something
that
I
think
that
we've
been
fortunate
with
you
know.
B
They
felt
strongly
that
certain
rivers
and
streams
should
be
designated
with
an
increased
Upland
review
area.
So
that
was
an
interesting
concept.
That
just
really
resonated
with
me
and
also
again
pertinent
to
our
town
is
that
Long
Island
feeders
should
also
have
should
maybe
have
a
chain
in
zoning
regulations
to
protect
them
a
little
bit
more.
B
The
other
issue
that
came
up
and
Deb
knows
that
this
is
a
little
thing
that
even
though
I
am
a
farmer,
my
daughter's
a
farmer,
I
love
farming,
but
that
farming
as
of
right
is
abused,
that
the
definition
is
too
strong
and
that
that
really
needs
to
be
tweaked
up.
They
also
felt
strongly
that
they
pushed
for
affordable
housing,
which
we
all
want.
A
E
B
To
is
that
right?
Oh
you
do
yeah
I
mean
you
know
it
seems
It's,
just
that
you
know
when
you
really
think
about
what
we
do.
I
mean
we're,
make
we're
making
regulatory
decisions
that
really
impact
a
lot
of
people,
and
so
anyway,
I'm
just
bringing
this
forward.
Just
you
know,
I
like
to
just
share
the
other
thing
they
talked
about.
They
really
felt
that
the
old
storm
water
control
measures
are
outdated
and
they're
really
no
longer
working,
and
so
they
really
again
I
I.
B
Don't
think
this
is
at
a
town
level
that
we
can
necessarily
do
anything,
but
they
spoke
a
lot
about
coastal
towns
which
obviously
we
are
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
change
in,
what's
called
title
and
what's
called
inlands,
so
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
jurisdictional
changes
which
I
think
is
worthy
of
note
again:
storm
water
management
not
reliable
into
the
future.
What's
the
lifespan
of
the
structure-
and
you
know
we
don't
have
there's
a
little
little
bit
of
this
tonight.
B
We
don't
seem
to
be,
at
least
in
my
my
mind,
but
a
lot
of
people
apparently
have
a
lot
of
trouble
with
adjacent
Property
Owners,
so
there
will
be
a
wetland
application
that
comes
in
and
they're
not
able
to
really
get
the
full
view.
If
you
will
and
I
mean
people
have
talked
about,
they
talked
about
using
drones
and
there's
a
lot
of
legal
advice
like
no
don't
do
that
yeah
yeah,
but
a
lot
of
people
struggle
with
that.
B
They
reiterated
with
strong
terms
that
intermittent
streams
and
watercourses
are
wetlands
and
should
be
permitted
as
such
and
again,
farming
determination.
The
determination
of
exemption
should
be
happening
before
activity.
You
can't
just
do
something
because
it's
a
farm
and
I
think
I'll
just
stop
there,
but
that
was
the
basic
gist
of
it,
but
it
was
I.
Just
really
thought
it
was
a
great
conference.
I
really
was
happy.
I
went
and
I'm
gonna
go
again
here.
L
G
E
L
The
fact
that
that
I
understand
that
dep
is
short
of
people-
okay,
I
I,
was
just
looking.
I
have
a
bunch
of
students,
graduating
and
I
was
just
looking
for
jobs
and
all,
and
there
was
hardly
any
jobs.
Okay
excited,
okay
on
the
Das
website;
okay
for
them,
so
if
they
they
may
be
short
of
people,
but
they
ain't,
hiring.
Okay,
they're.
L
Yeah,
well,
it
all
goes
through
Das,
it
all
goes
through
Das,
and
so,
if
you
can
go
to
their
website-
and
you
can
see
what
jobs
are
available-
okay
for
people
who
are
I
was
looking
at
for
people
who
are
not
currently
freaking
the
state.
You
know
you
know,
and
there
were
very
few
jobs
advertised
from
deep,
and
so
what.
B
B
E
Just
weren't
filled
I
mean
I
know
when
I
first
started
here
there
were
I,
don't
there
were
seven
or
eight
people,
that's
what
they
were
saying:
Inland
water,
this
section
yeah
there
were.
There
was
a
devoted
enforcement
section
and
then
there
were
three
four
five
environmental
analysts
under
under
one
supervisor.