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From YouTube: Groton Planning and Zoning Commission 9/14/21
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Groton, Connecticut municipal meeting; Planning and Zoning Commission September 14, 2021. Click on the link below to view the agenda.
https://www.agendasuite.org/iip/groton/file/getfile/56872
A
Great
okay,
so
this
is
the
september
14
meeting
of
the
groton
planning
and
zoning
commission
jeff
prichard
is
the
chair.
Staff
tonight
is
bruce
lofgren
and
deb
jones.
There's
a
couple
of
opportunities
to
address
the
commission
tonight,
first
being
under
public
hearings
for
the
days
in
conversion
and
the
second
public
communications.
A
B
D
C
E
E
E
C
E
E
The
site
has
on-site
drainage,
amenities,
on-site
public
utilities
that
serve
the
site,
a
pool,
a
recreational
pool,
a
parking
area,
landscaping
and
other
amenities
associated
with
the
hotel
under
the
existing
conditions,
the
existing,
the
the
curb
cut
or
the
access
to
the
site
is
along
kings
highway.
I
believe
to
the
swinging
at
my
bearing
here
to
the
south
southeast.
E
And
the
property
also
has
frontage
on
gold
star
highway
as
well
as
kings
highway
and
the
gen.
The
storm
water
on
the
site,
generally
flows
overland
in
a
northeasterly
direction.
Some
of
the
drainage
on
the
site
is
collected
by
catch
basins
in
the
parking
lot,
which
was
all
designed
and
approved
through
the
through
the
town
of
groton
and
then
discharges
to
a
stormwater
basin
in
the
northeast
portion
of
the
property.
E
You
can
see
this
large
area
here
where
you
can
see
where
there's
discharge
locations,
the
property
is
located
within
a
commercial
regional
zone.
The
surrounding
properties
consist
of
the
groton
and
suites
multi-business
retail
building
to
the
southwest
and
the
five
guys.
Restaurant
is
actually
to
the
I
believe,
to
the
north
northeast
of
the
property,
and
there
is
actually
an
access
you
can
see
down
in
the
the
western
portion
of
the
property
to
the
parking
lot
and
area
which
we
don't
show
on
this.
E
E
So
the
proposed
condition
we're
taking
this
60
room
hotel
and
converting
it
to
a
60.
A
unit
residential
multi-family
apartment
building.
Each
of
the
rooms
mark
will
go
into
a
little
more
detail,
be
a
single
bedroom
and
and
have
just
a
small
apartment
amenities.
You
know
open
layout
with
bathrooms,
a
bedroom
kitchenette,
those
type
of
amenities.
E
You
can
see
that
there's
a
parking
area
in
that
southern
portion,
which
we're
going
to
eliminate
the
pavement,
the
impervious
surface
associated
with
it,
which
will
be
beneficial
to
the
drainage
system,
storm
water
management,
given
that
this
isn't
an
aquifer
protection
zone,
opera
protection
area.
That
area
will
be
converted
to
recreational
space,
might
have
some
sitting
areas.
Some
barbecue
areas,
maybe
bocce
court,
that
kind
of
stuff
that
hasn't
all
been
been
finalized.
E
But
that's
the
the
generally
that
what
they'll
be
you
be
using
it
for
also
the
pool
will
remain
as
an
amenity
to
the
apartment,
complex,
we've
added
in
with
the
recommendation
of
staff
to
make
sure
that
we
have
appropriate,
crosswalks
and
sidewalks
so
that
people
that
living
in
the
facility
can
safely
navigate
through
the
parking
lot
across
the
traveled
ways
and
go
from
the
recreational
space
back
to
the
pool.
So
this
is
really
you
know.
E
In
addition
to
reducing
the
impervious
area
by
adding
the
recreational
space,
your
regulations
also
require
that
we
had
a
reduction
in
the
number
of
parking
spaces.
We,
the
the
minimum
amount
of
parking
that
beer
is
required,
is
0.75
spaces
per
unit
and
the
maximum
allowed
is
1.1
spaces
per
unit.
So
doing
the
math
for
60
units
were
allowed.
E
However,
the
regulations
do
restrict
the
the
maximum
amount
of
parking
that
would
be
allowed,
but
in
conjunction
with
that,
we
also
have
to
increase
the
amount
of
landscaping
for
your
regulations,
so
you
can
see
in
the
proposed
site
layout
what
we've
done
is
retrofitted
same
as
we're
doing,
with
the
building
we're
doing
at
the
site.
We're
retrofitting
some
of
those
parking
spaces
to
be
some
landscaped
islands,
curbed,
landscaped
islands,
we're
adding
a
dumpster
for
the
apartment,
complex
and
a
loading
zone.
E
You
can
see
at
the
northern
portion
of
the
property,
so
it
actually
all
worked
out
relatively
well
for
the
fit
of
this
site
that
the
the
additional
landscaping
that
we
needed
and
the
reduction
of
parking
worked
out.
Well,
so
we
have
that
we
are
obtaining
that
66
maximum
parking
space
amount
of
parking
spaces,
the
building
will
remain
largely
unchanged.
Accesses
will
remain
the
same
sidewalks
that
kind
of
stuff.
E
Besides,
what
I've
alluded
to
for
the
for
the
improvements
for
for
cert
circulation
and
pedestrian
safety,
we've
added
some
signage
made
sure
that
we
have
adequate
ada
spaces.
Handicapped
spaces
utilities
will
remain
largely
unchanged,
we're
trying
to
keep
the
site.
You
know,
as
least
disturbance
as
possible.
E
All
the
existing
utilities,
water
sewer,
shall
remain
electric
communication.
Everything
should
be
able
to
be
accommodated
with
this
conversion,
because
there
is
very
little
change
that
is
happening
going
from
a
60
unit,
hotel
to
a
60
60
unit,
multi-family
apartment
space.
We
did
a
an
evaluation
of
the
of
the
storm
water
system
and
because
of
the
reduction
in
the
impervious
and
and
the
fact
that
that
we're
not
proposing
an
intensity
of
use.
No
more,
no
more.
E
You
know
vehicles,
as
than
what's
already
there
things
like
that,
we've
we've
been
able
to
maintain
the
stormwater
system
the
same
way
as
it
is
all
of
the
catch
basins.
Piping,
everything
is
remain,
can
remain
a
status
quo.
There's
no
grading
changes
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
it's
an
overall
improvement.
We
also,
as
part
of
this
application,
have
offered
up
an
upgraded
operation
and
maintenance
so
that
that
will
be
have
to
be
adhered
to.
E
E
As
I
had
mentioned,
we
will
have
the
the
updated
operation
and
maintenance
that
will
be
have
to
be
adhered
to.
We
are
in
a
water
resource
protection
district.
So
as
such,
we
will
make
we
making
sure
that
we're
handling
our
stormwater
accordingly,
but
also
that
any
hazardous
materials
which
we
don't
anticipate
anything
beyond
that
would
be
used
in
a
residential
setting
and
any
single
family
residence
would
be
used.
E
E
Same
thing
will
be
typical
maintenance,
snow
removal
that
that
type
of
thing
will
still
be
maintained
and
done
in
accordance
with
the
operation
and
maintenance
plan,
any
disturbance
to
the
site.
That's
temporary,
such
as
pulling
up
the
pavement
for
the
new
recreational
facility
or
adding
the
landscape
to
islands.
We
have
a
sediment
erosion
and
sediment
control
plan
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
sully
the
stormwater
system.
E
I
will
touch
upon
that.
We
did
do
a
traffic
analysis
of
this
and,
just
very
briefly,
overall,
we
did
a
trip
generation
in
accordance
with
the
the
excuse
me
institute
of
transportation
engineers,
the
latest
edition
and
used
multi-family
housing
apartments
versus
a
a
hotel
use,
and
overall
we
see
a
a
reduction.
I
believe
it's
an
average
of
120
two
trips
per
day
so
that
there's
a
lower
intensification
of
use
going
from
a
hotel
to
to
a
single-family
residences
or
excuse
me
multi-family
residences.
E
F
F
As
you
can
see,
the
colors
just
show
you
each
apartment,
so
one
apartment,
two
three,
four,
five
six
and
then
the
same
thing
on
on
the
other
side,
there's
nuances
in
between
them
because
of
bearing
walls
and
things
like
that
on
the
main
level,
we'll
add
a
mailbox
bank
and
some
other.
You
know
amenities
that
that
more
are
more
related
to
to
apartments.
F
F
So
three
stories,
two
through
four
times
16
is
48
plus
the
12
on
the
main
level
is,
is
60
for
a
total
of
units.
So
there's
60
bedrooms
now
there's
60
units
that
we
propose.
So
what's
the
difference,
there
are
large
within
the
structure.
That's
there.
There
are
very,
very
small
studios
and
there
are
very
large
two-bedroom
units
and
so
we're
kind
of
homogenizing.
F
The
whole
thing
because
with
you
know,
with
with
fire
codes
and
things
like
that,
the
studios
make
no
sense
and
dead
end
corridors
and
length
of
travel
with
the
two
bedrooms.
It
doesn't
make
sense
either
so
to
homogenize
it
all
into
one
bedroom
units.
It
does
make
a
lot
of
sense.
The
outside
of
the
building,
the
structure
itself,
the
windows
are,
are
in
pretty
good
shape.
The
the
siding
is
in
great
shape.
The
roof
is
in
great
shape
the
building
itself.
As
you
see,
it
won't
change
right
now.
F
F
B
C
Development
services-
I
don't
have
too
much
to
add
that-
was
pretty
comprehensive,
summary
of
the
project,
but
just
everyone
knows
this
is
the
special
permit
application.
We
are
reviewing
right
now
and
the
public
hearing
for
that.
This
is
similar
to
some
of
the
other
applications.
You've
been
seeing
recently,
where
it's
a
conversion
from
one
use
into
a
multi-unit
conversion
which
triggers
the
special
permit
and
then
the
site
plan
that
we'll
see
later
on
the
agenda.
C
C
And
those
conditions
stipulate
that
there
can't
be
an
expansion
more
than
ten
percent
of
a
footprint
which
is
not
the
case
in
this.
In
this
application
they
also
require
that
there's
at
least
one
or
you
have
one
laundry
unit
for
10
units
and
these
floor
plans
are
showing
six
units
for
60
dwelling
units.
C
Also,
it
does
require
that
public
recreation
space
be
provided,
where
applicable
and
in
this
case,
there's
actually
a
pretty
considerable
number
amount
of
recreation
and
public
space
there.
You
have
the
pool,
you
have
the
recreation
room,
you
have
the
new
bocce
area
in
the
back
there
and
I
can
share
my
screen.
I'm
looking
at
this.
C
C
C
C
So
for
that
reason
it
was
determined
that
there
didn't
need
to
be
any
improvements
to
the
water
system,
just
some
general
maintenance
and
an
operation
maintenance
schedule
that
was
submitted
with
the
application
for
the
existing
pension
area
over
here
and
with
that
yeah.
I
don't
think
I
have
anything
else
to
add
at
this
time
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Oh
also,
though,
at
the
last
point
I
think
I
said
at
the
last
meeting
the
the
mailings
were
in
order.
We
did
get
those.
B
G
C
E
E
J
Okay,
I've
got
some
new
sound
happening
here
and
I
don't
know
how
much
is
messing
things
up.
I
don't
think
I
have
any
problem
with
it.
I'll
have
some
comments
for
the
site
plan,
but
in
terms
of
the
conversion
and
whatnot
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
didn't
see
it
in.
It
sounds
like
side
plan,
but
it
goes
to
the
conversion.
J
E
Yeah
anybody
yeah,
I
don't.
I
don't
think
that
there'll
be
any
need
for
for
signed.
My
my
client
is
is
on
we
didn't
we
we
focused
more
on
just
you,
know,
signage,
that
for
for
safety
and
and
accesses
like
that.
So
so
we
really
didn't
approach
the
subject
of
the
actual
days
and
signs.
So
he
would
have
to
address
that.
I
don't
know
if
there
would
really
be
a
need
for
it
any
for
anymore,
but
I
I
can't
speak
for
him.
A
H
The
sign
would
just
really
be,
for
you
know
to
elaborate
the
name
of
I
guess
you
know
the
apartment
complex,
to
have
some
kind
of
presence
you
know
and
that
that
would
really
be
the
only
reason
to
really
have
a
sign
to
let
people
know
that
it's
not
a
hotel
any
longer
and
that
it's
an
apartment
complex
and
to
just
keep
that
presence
there.
But
you
know
it's
nothing.
That
is,
you
know
so
dire.
J
J
J
K
J
At
the
moment,
okay,
because
it's
all
that
whole
area
is
only
about
nine
foot,
wide
ten
foot
wide
sort
of
an
afterthought,
so
it
looks
like
it
was
meant
to
be
checked
in
someplace
else,
and
then
it
didn't
work
whatever
it
was.
So
just
when
this
became
standalone
and
you
end
up
with
something
it
doesn't
matter.
I
I
I
get
this
as
far
as
a
conversion
concern.
J
I
don't
want
a
problem,
but
as
far
as
that
sign
is
concerned,
I
don't
think
as
any
business
being
on
a
hotel
on
a
a
residential
apartment
building,
that's
a
hotel
sign,
and
I
would
hope
that
that
kind
of
goes
away
or
gets
changed
considerably.
There's
no
reason
to
announce
to
people
on
gold
star
highway
that
this
is
a
residence.
D
F
Yeah,
I
can
speak
to
that
mark
come
out
here
a
couple
of
months
ago,
when
we
had
first
applied.
We
did
think
that
we
were
going
to
combine
some
of
the
studios
to
to
take
two
studios
which
were
separate
units
and
make
them
a
single
unit.
But
then,
as
we
continued
further
and
noticed
the
some
of
the
enormous
two-bedroom
units,
we
split
those
and
so
what
we
consolidated
became,
split
and
basically
equals
zero.
F
So
we
thought
we
were
going
to
end
up
with
a
net
of
56
before
but
by
by
code
and
for
just
a
basic,
you
know
ergonomics
of
having
a
really
plausible
apartment,
the
way
that
everything
worked
out
in
in
terms
of
the
plan,
the
plans
that
I
showed
you
it's
it's
better
that
we
have
60
one-bedroom
units
it
just
completely.
You
know
it
rearranges
the
spaces
but
they're
much
better
spaces,
but
we
thought
we'd
consolidate
before
we.
We
won't
be
consolidating.
D
Okay,
all
right
and
then
the
second
question
was
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
construction
of
you
know
the
hotel
as
it
is
now,
but
is
there
any
fire
code
differences
between
calling
something,
a
hotel
room
versus
you
know
an
apartment
and
you
know:
does
the
fire
marshal
have
to
weigh
in
on
any
of
this?
That
might
be
a
staff
question.
C
All
right,
I
can
take
that
in
terms
of
the
fire
code.
I'm
not
I'm
not
sure
what
the
difference
is
would
be
between
a
hotel
room
and
a
you
know:
one-bedroom
apartment
residence,
but
the
fire
marshal
did
receive
this
application.
He
was
present
at
the
staff
review
and
at
that
time
I
think
we
were
more
discussing
things
such
as
fire
lanes
and
kind
of
the
outside
elements
of
the
building,
because
after
if
they
were
to
receive
approvals
for
these
tonight
or
what
happens
is
more
detailed?
C
M
C
N
So,
like
others,
I
have
some
questions
on
the
when
we
get
to
the
site
plan,
but
as
far
as
the
special
permit
is
concerned,
just
want
to
commend
the
applicant
for
their
ability
to
step
up
within
a
total
available
market
in
groton,
where
this
is
a
great
need
to
be
able
to
service
it.
In
this
fashion,
and
as
I
said,
hopefully,
we
also
have
a
positive
site
plan,
but
this
is
a
good
plan.
Is
it
good
for
commerce?
So
thank
you.
B
D
B
B
B
Point
h,
multi-unit
dwellings,
conversion
of
the
zoning
regulations.
The
commission
also
finds
that
this
application
complies
with
the
special
permit
criteria
in
section
9.4-6
of
the
zoning
regulations,
in
that
it
does
not
alter
the
essential
characteristics
of
the
area,
does
not
cause
traffic
congestion
or
safety
conflicts
and
does
not
conflict
with
the
purposes
of
these
regulations.
B
B
G
G
G
G
I
B
I
B
I
C
B
I
O
O
I
would
ask
you
to
adhere
please
to
the
ru
80
designation,
existing
on
that
piece
of
property.
I
also
have
learned
to
my
dismay
that
the
planning
department
has
once
again
hidden
applications
and
preferred
developments
from
the
public
eye,
most
specifically
on
the
pleasant
valley,
school
conversion.
O
O
So
knowing
that
you
are
going
to
be
receiving
an
application,
because
there
has
been
certain
stonewalling
about
it,
I
ask
that
for
pleasant
belly,
you
adhere
to
the
rm
designation
in
its
strictest
forms
for
anything
that
comes
in
from
the
preferred
developer.
Who
is
yet
unnamed?
Thank
you
for
letting
me
speak.
M
That's
not
been
addressed.
I
have
talked
to
the
owner
and
asked
him
to
do
something
about
it
and
to
include
it
in
his
information
that
he
gives
to
his
guests,
but
there's
really
no
enforcement
of
it.
It
just
goes
on
and
on,
and
it
I'm
pretty
close
to
it.
I'm
100
yards
away
and
it's
kind
of
a
a
low-lying
area
and
we
just
get
a
lot
of
noise
from
that
all
across
this
part
of
no
ink
road.
M
So
I
really
like
the
special
permitting
to
address
that
particular
situation
if
it's
possible
with
regard
to
the
music
that
occurs
a
few
times
when
they
do
do
that,
this
was
egregiously
loud
it
was.
It
was
hearable
all
the
way
up
to
route
one
across
over
to
stonington
on
the
other
side
of
the
river.
M
The
owner
is
not
reachable.
I
tried
to
reach
him.
Other
people
tried
to
reach
him
he's
just
not
available
and
that's
really
the
main
problem.
He
does
not
live
there.
So,
as
a
consequence,
almost
anything
goes.
If
nobody's
going
to
take
any
responsibility
for
telling
them
that
they
have
to
shut
down
at
10
o'clock,
some
neighbors
called
the
police.
They
went
down
there
and
apparently
shut
it
down
so
that
that
worked.
But
nonetheless
I
don't
want
to
deal
with
that
kind
of
a
problem
I
mean,
I
know
the
owner.
I
like
him.
M
I
think
he's
probably
wanting
to
do
the
right
thing,
but
it
just
doesn't
happen.
So
if
there's
nobody
there
on
site,
that's
responsible
to
take
any
action
when
we
have
loud
guests
which
is
pretty
usual
or
music,
then
that's
a
problem.
I
think
there
are
ways
to
mitigate
the
noise
that
comes
from
these
bands
and
dj's.
M
M
So
those
are
the
the
main
concerns
and
the
main
one
is
not
just
the
music.
It's
the
fact
that
the
guests
are
just
loud
all
night
long.
You
know
they
come
in
from
new
york,
new
jersey
or
wherever
they
have
a
few
drinks
they're
outside
partying
and
the
sound
carries
probably
over
to
mason's
island.
I
would
imagine,
but
I
can
certainly
hear
it
and
my
neighbors
can't
so.
M
M
M
M
I
I
I
I
B
G
We
go
all
right
here,
I
am
so
I
I
already
addressed
the
recycles
if
we
could
find
a
way
to
have
a
container
in
there
for
recycles,
and
then
I
wanted
to
ask
there's
a
bike.
Rack
shown
there,
but
I
can't
tell
how
many
I
mean.
We've
got
60
units
here
and
it
looks
like
a
bike
rack.
That's
gonna
probably
hold
two
bicycles,
or
maybe
three
I
I
don't
know
it
doesn't
seem
sufficient
to
me,
but
is
that
the
only
bicycle
rack
in
this
entire
complex.
G
E
F
Where
it
gets
a
little
sketchy
is
when
the
tenants
bring
bicycles
in
that
encroach
upon
the
the
egress,
the
fire
egress,
the
corridors,
so
by
and
large,
most
condominiums
in
apartment
buildings,
don't
allow
storage
of
bikes
in
the
hallway
and
unless
people
bring
them
into
their
units
which,
which
is
okay,
it's
kind
of
hard
to
enforce.
There
doesn't
seem
to
be
a
magic
number
as
to
how
many
bike
racks
are
appropriate.
F
F
If
you
go
down
gold
star,
highway
down
route,
12,
you're
kind
of
taking
your
life
in
your
own
hands,
so
I
would
hate
to
have
to
provide
something
that
truly
won't
come
to
fruition.
I
I'd
be
great
if
there
was
kind
of
an
organic
way
that
that
could
be
felt
out
so
that
I'm
sure
that
john
would
would
stipulate
to
providing
whatever
the
the
appropriate
amount
of
bicycle
rack
storage
would
be
required
for
the
tenants
in
use.
G
B
G
Okay,
I'm
I'm
done
asking
questions,
I'm
sort
of
disappointed
in
that
I
don't.
I
think
that
we
need
to
address
this
in
our
regulations.
I
mean,
I
see
young
people
today,
we
have
a
bicycle
store.
Now:
that's
selling
electric
bikes,
all
the
young
people
that
I
know
that's
how
they're
getting
around
so
and
and
we
need
to
address
our
regulations
so
that
there's
indoor
storage,
that's
it.
I
don't
have
any
other
questions.
Okay,.
J
J
Nobody
wants
to
leave
their
their
bikes
outside
if
they
care
about
them,
and
now
that
we're
moving
into
thousand
dollar
electric
bikes,
which
is
going
to
be
what
everybody
has
I'm
just
putting
it
out
there
for
a
step
that
we're
going
to
want
to
do
something
for
exterior
garages
which
they
seem
to
have
fallen
out
of
favor.
We
used
to
have
them
15
years
ago,
these
little
little
bicycle
garages.
Well,
every
campus
had
them
and
they
kind
of
went
away.
J
J
This
meets
the
letter
of
the
law,
so
so
some
so
be
it
so
for
the
sign
yeah,
I
think
the
sign
that's
there
is
completely
inappropriate
for
this
and
on
the
wrong
street,
since
you
can't
get
there
from
there
and
don't
we'll
put
way
finding
signs
like
that
for
apartments
and
any
regular
housing
that's
intended
for
for
hotels.
So
I
think
you
want
to
put
some
kind
of
a
marker
out
there
on
route
12
fine,
but
it
should
be
a
little.
That's
very
small
pedestal
sign
offhand.
J
I
would
not
want
to
see
that
existing
sign
stay
in
any
form
for
the
sidewalks
yeah,
there's
a
sidewalk
across
the
frontage,
and
you
can't
get
there
from
here.
If
I
was
going
to
walk
from
the
building
to
go
to
walmart
and
to
and
there
that's
the
only
place
to
cross
the
street,
so
I'd
have
to
walk
up
to
walmart
and
from
there
I
can
walk
to
everything
else.
J
J
J
E
J
Well,
the
sidewalk
already
links
the
groton
indian
suites
all
the
way
down
and
there's
it's
nice
big,
there's
not
much
encouragement
to
step
out
across
the
street
because
there's
no
place
to
go
so
I
think
the
sidewalk
already
does
a
pretty
good
job
of
steering
you
exactly
where
you're
supposed
to
go
on
beyond
five
guys
and
to
where
the
crosswalk
is
so.
I
I
don't
think,
there's
really
any
concern
about
that.
J
It's
probably
a
easily
a
15
foot,
or
at
least
more
than
10
feet
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
road,
and
if
you
crossed
over
any
place
by
the
intersection,
you
would
be
nowhere.
So
no,
I
don't
think
that's
a
problem
at
all.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
not
a,
I
think,
they're
already
going
to
do
it.
J
J
J
F
J
Yeah,
that's,
I
think
that
I
think
you're
exactly
right,
too,
is
that
if
you
do
this-
and
I
don't
know
how
we
got
away
with
it
for
so
long,
not
having
a
a
crosswalk
at
least
across
king's
highway
in
front
there,
that's
that's
bizarre
that
it's
not
there.
We
even
have
the
curb
cuts
on
the
sidewalk
to
get
to
it.
So.
J
Town
should
do
that
and
I
think
you
should
put
probably
an
angle
out
there
or
something
as
we
go
straight
out,
then
nobody's
going
to
obey
that
very
often
you
know
you
do
the
campus
thing
and
just
see
where
people
are
where
the
mud
starts,
to
show
up
for
people
walking
and
then
put
the
sidewalk
there,
but
I
think
you
could
probably
steer
it.
How
you'd
like
it
into
that
corner.
L
N
Yeah
a
couple
things
number
one:
I
agree
with
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
the
sidewalk
there.
It
seems
to
make
sense
and
if
we
could
include
that,
just
in
the
technical
work
with
the
planning
staff
following
approval
or
not,
I
think
that
would
be
very
important,
but
I
I
did
have
a
question
for
bruce.
N
So
if
we
look
at
the
special
permit
side
of
this,
which
I
think
we
all
embraced
as
the
right
thing
to
do,
I
I
look
now
at
you
know:
potential
parking
where,
as
we
make
these
conversions,
I
think
I
understand
what
how
a
hotel
commerce
works
and
the
traffic
works
and
it
seems
like
to
develop.
It
would
be
very
beneficial
if
we
do
offer
more
parking.
So
what
kind
of
latitude
do
we
have?
Potentially,
you
know
to
provide
that
bruce.
A
N
A
That
that's
correct
right
now
and
which
is
and
bruce,
is
right
as
well.
Once
this
is
approved,
the
applicant
could
submit
a
modification
to
this
plan
or
or
an
administrative
site
plan
that
meets
the
new
zoning
and
add
more
the
only
thing.
We
need
to
balance
that
against
is
the
impervious
surface
in
the
wrpd
area.
G
Oh,
I
don't.
This
is
tapping
into
my
memory
here,
but
I
I
know
that
when
we
did
the
application
many
years
ago
for
five
guys
that
there
was
discussion
at
that
point
about
that
crosswalk
across
king's
highway-
and
I
don't
remember
how
it
was
resolved
or
if
it
is
what
it
is
now
or
something's
been
changed.
A
G
A
B
G
G
G
B
G
B
B
H
J
I
think,
whether
it's,
whether
it's
an
apartment
or
a
hotel,
I'm
sorry
every
time
I
stayed
at
a
hotel.
I've
had
need
to
go
to
a
walmart
or
someplace
like
it.
I'm
staying
for
more
than
a
couple
nights,
and
this
is
a
wonderful
location
where
there
it
is,
I'm
not
going
to
jump
in
my
car.
If
I
can
avoid
it.
G
B
B
B
I
A
K
E
E
E
C
It
would
be
well
if
you
want
to
connect
it
to
the
sidewalk
existing
gold
star
highway.
The
property
line
is
right
here,
so
the
sidewalk
from
the
property
line
to
the
existing
sidewalk
is
all
within
the
state
right
away.
So
the
applicant
would
have
to
contact
department
of
transportation
taking
a
permanent
approval
to
do
that.
C
B
G
B
N
G
G
J
J
A
So,
practically
speaking,
how
this
would
play
out
is
when
they,
when
they
request
a
certificate
of
site
plan,
compliance
in
advance
of
the
cos
for
the
building
and
the
sidewalk
is
not
there.
We
would
ask
the
applicant
for
proof
that
he
applied
and
a
letter
denying
it
before
we
signed
up
on
that
before
they
got
the
ceo.
H
B
B
J
B
D
D
B
B
B
A
C
A
B
B
A
B
B
A
B
N
N
B
A
A
A
B
N
So
chair
miss
chair.
Can
I
ask
a
question?
Yes,
so
so
dad
that
was
actually
very
good,
because
I
I
didn't
realize
that
right
on
those
conditions
etc,
and
so
so
when
the
citizens
came
before
us
today,
as
planning
zoning,
we
don't
have
any
enforcement
side
of
this,
but
there
is
an
enforcement
side
within
the
town,
correct.
A
N
Correct,
but
if
we
take
a
look
at
where
the
citizens
came
tonight
and
what
appears
to
be
the
zoning
regulations
down
there,
there
appears
to
be,
there
appears
to
be
a
violation.
I'm
not
saying
there
is,
but
within
what's
been
brought
forward
today
to
what
you
stated.
There
appears
to
be
a
very
serious
problem
right,
yes,.
N
A
D
D
D
A
B
I
G
G
J
B
J
Is
that
it's
it's
it's
a
generality,
but
I
think
we
should.
I
was
just
doing
some
measurements
of
some
submittals
we
have.
I
think
we
should
make
a
point
of
not
accepting
submittals
that
use
the
term
approximately
forever
that
they
should
always
be
minimum
or
maximum,
because
approximately
can
get
us
into
trouble
now,
obviously
we're
looking
at
three
water
street.
J
But
honestly,
I
really
think
he
was
trying
to
do
the
right
thing,
but
in
the
submittal
I
was
walking
around
feeling,
terrible
that
they
had
submitted
the
drawing
that
showed
air
conditioning
units.
What
it
said
was
that
the
railing
was
three
feet
high
and
the
air
conditioning
units
were
approximately
three
foot.
Eleven
high
they're,
obviously
not
they're
double.
D
J
They're
they're,
probably
probably
well
over
five
feet,
so
what
we
were
expecting
and
what
we
saw,
what
we
were
shown
was
approximately
11
inches
and
at
what
point
does
approximately
11
inches
not
be
two
and
a
half
feet,
which
is
why
it's
still
no
good
so
probably
could
have
avoided
that
if
we
just
said
okay
maximum
four
feet,
we
could
have
lived
with
that.
We
probably
wouldn't
have
gotten
into
this
fix.
J
I
know
we're
going
for
something
saying:
okay,
the
screening
has
to
be
as
high
as
the
units
themselves,
but
then
there's
a
surprise
after
the
fact
anyway,
because
the
units
come
in
the
gut.
The
mechanical
guy
didn't
read
those
plans
and
he
just
put
him
on
a
pedestal
and
said
here
you
go
and
in
this
case
the
owner,
let
it
go
because
it
was
approximate.
J
So
that's
it
do
we
have
any
more
report
from
the
owners
of
three
water.
I
know
we
put
a
little
face
shield
over
the
fan,
so
it's
only
80
as
obnoxious
as
it
was
before,
but,
incidentally
he
was
talking
about
doing
other
screening.
I'm
not
sure
what
that
could
possibly
be,
but
it'd
be
nice
to
know
from
staff
is
if
they've
heard
anything,
because
it's
still
a
precedent
that
we
don't
want
to
go
anywhere
near.
B
L
Well,
I
just
think
the
the
issues
are
bringing
up
in
the
connecticut
federation.
Plans
on
the
agency's
newsletter
are
really
significant
personally
and
the
fact
that
here
we
are-
and
it
reminds
me
some
other
applications
or
other
things
that
are
in
the
works
that
sometimes
people
don't
feel,
there's
a
transparency.
L
B
A
So
I
mean,
I
think,
a
number
of
different
parties
raised
a
number
of
these
different
legislative
initiatives.
Here,
a
group
called
desegregate
connecticut,
who
is
concerned
with
affordable
housing,
certainly
had
a
hand
in
the
accessory
apartments
and
I'm
not
sure
where
the
recreational
cannabis
came
from
outdoor
dining
is,
you
know
a
result
of
of
cobit
and
again
I
don't
know
which
which
person
raised
it.
A
B
A
Will
look
nice,
but
you
know
if
you
want
to
keep
on
top
of
this.
The
connecticut
planners
association
has
a
presence
up
at
the
legislative
office
building
and
they
frequently
update
the
website
and
and
and
provide
what
testimony
that
they're
offering
the
legislators.
It's
it's
an
easy
way
to
kind
of
keep
track
of,
what's
being
raised
and
what
the
implications
might
be
planning
wise.