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From YouTube: Groton Planning and Zoning Commission 5/12/21
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Groton, Connecticut municipal meeting: Planning and Zoning Commission May 11, 2021. Click on the link below to view the agenda.
https://www.agendasuite.org/iip/groton/file/getfile/52597
A
All
right
good
evening,
this
is
the
may
11
2021
meeting
with
the
groton
planning
and
zoning
commission
jeff
richards.
The
chair
staff
tonight
is
diane
glamboski
and
deb
jones.
There
is
opportunity
for
the
public
to
address
the
commission
under
public
communications.
You
will
have
to
raise
your
virtual
hand,
and
I
think
everybody
knows
by
now
how
to
do
that
on
zoom.
B
B
B
D
B
F
G
B
A
B
I
B
B
Does
anyone
have
anything
else?
If
not,
then
we'll
vote
on
the
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
of
april
27th
as
amended,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye
all
right.
The
opposed
extensions
motion
is
carried
unanimously
next
public
communications.
Does
anyone
on
the
commission
have
any
communications
to
identify.
B
B
G
F
B
A
Nope,
I
will
note
that
you
have
periodically
received
communications
from
us
forwarded
on
from
members
of
the
public
about
the
mystic
head
center.
Typically,
we
are
we're
holding
them
all
until
each
friday,
so
we
can
just
send
one
email
to
you
guys.
We
do
get
them.
You
know
throughout
the
week,
you'll
just
be
getting
them
on
fridays.
B
J
B
J
E
B
F
B
B
K
K
K
Also
I'd
like
I
would
like
to
confirm
that
the
commission
received
the
may
3rd
2021
attorney
makauser
letter
regarding
additional
developer
criminal
history,
as
well
as
the
town
of
groton
non-compliance
and
non-enforcement
of
the
development
agreement.
It
is
important
that
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
is
aware
of
these
facts.
K
K
K
K
The
comments
by
the
evaluators
regarding
the
wrestler
project,
in
my
humble
opinion,
are
reasons
not
to
choose
wrestler
some
examples:
evaluator
one
noted
that
resper
would
require
a
165
million
hundred
and
sixty
thousand
dollar
construction
loan.
Three
thirty,
three
million
dollars
in
tiff
money.
Yes,
that's
million
with
an
m
and
staff
technical
assistance
and
cooperation,
which
I
don't
agree
with
at
all.
Evaluator
2
had
no
overall
comments.
K
K
K
I
would
like
to
mention
here.
As
we
all
know,
the
pool
has
turned
out
to
be
the
carrot
for
the
project
back
to
evaluator.
4.
company
is
lowballing
its
ability
to
raise
financing
concern
that
town
of
groton
not
be
taken
advantage
of
by
wrestler.
One
dollar
to
state
is
obviously
low
for
the
mystic
oral
school
property.
K
K
So
that's
important
to
note
one-time,
complete
completion
of
past
project
on-time
completion
of
past
projects
not
addressed
also
important
multi-purpose
field.
Location
accessibility
is
poor
for
residents,
evaluator
8
cheerleading
for
the
project.
These
must
be
bronx
comments.
Evaluator
9
had
no
overall
comments.
Evaluator
10
had
no
overall
comments.
K
This
is
interesting
and
relevant
information
regarding
the
developer
selection
process.
That
should
never
have
been
withheld
from
the
public,
which
leads
to
the
question.
What
else
is
being
withheld
from
the
public,
given
the
amount
of
information
town
staff
has
withheld
from
the
public
that
had
to
be
obtained
through
freedom
of
information?
It
seems
like
a
reasonable
question
to
ask.
K
At
the
last
planning
and
zoning
commission
meeting,
I
asked
if
there
is
a
possibility
of
the
commission,
not
staff,
holding
an
informal
workshop
with
the
concerned
citizens.
The
purpose
would
be
to
answer
questions
regarding
where
the
commission
is
in
the
process,
the
zoning
regulations
rewrite
and
what
to
expect
moving
forward.
I
realize
this
request
is
outside
of
normal
procedure,
but
there
are
so
many
questions
and
to
date
there
have
been
no
answers.
K
Hopefully
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
will
seriously
consider
my
request
for
a
workshop
with
the
commission
and
concerned
residents
to
answer
questions
as
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
moves
forward
with
the
regulation
rewrite
and
the
development
of
the
master
plan.
Please
bear
in
mind
that
the
developer
has
a
criminal
record,
including
pleading
guilty
to
both
perjury
and
bribing
officials
among
other
crimes.
As
a
concerned
resident,
it
is
difficult
to
believe
anything
presented
or
stated
by
the
developer.
K
A
L
L
L
L
F
A
M
I
also
think
it
would
be
a
very
good
thing
to
have
an
open
informational
session
as
to
where
we
are
in
the
planning
and
zoning
aspects
of
this
project,
what
the
steps
are
to
get
to
a
new
zone
and
what
the
commission's
thoughts
are
on
this
topic.
Thank
you
very
much
for
listening
to
me.
I
appreciate
it
and
thank
you
for
your
work
for
the
town.
M
C
C
The
long-time
residents
are
fighting
back
as
best
they
can,
but
can
they
win
against
a
deep-pocketed
businessman
who
has
lawyers
on
speed
dial
they
can
they
can,
because
in
every
good
hallmark
movie,
not
only
is
there
a
romance,
there
is
also
a
happy
ending
because
the
hero
saves
the
day.
Guess
who
the
hero
is
in
this
movie.
It's
the
planning
and
zoning
commission.
C
You
have
not
been
bamboozled
by
the
sweet
talk
of
the
developer
in
his
public
relations
firm.
You
know
that
changing
the
zoning
for
the
oral
school
will
lead
to
clear
cutting
of
trees
and
immense
noise,
air
and
water
pollution.
You
know
that
traffic
and
mystic
is
already
dreadful,
especially
in
the
summer,
and
you
are
not
foolish
enough
to
believe
in
the
fairy
tale
of
hundreds
of
millennials
on
bicycles
and
a
water
taxi
to
nowhere
when
you're,
considering
making
zoning
changes
for
the
oral
school.
I
ask
you
to
consider
this.
C
A
F
N
Good
evening,
janet
mayer
88
ann
avenue,
mystic
connecticut.
Thank
you
again
so
much
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
When
I
first
heard
about
the
size
of
the
mystic
river
bluffs
proposal,
I
was
immediately
against
it.
I
knew
it
would
increase
traffic
on
cow
hill
to
a
dangerous
level,
possibly
affect
our
water
or
sewer,
and
I
did
not
want
blasting
near
my
home,
not
in
my
backyard,
but
as
I
learned
more
about
the
propo,
the
proposed
development,
which
I
believe
is
equal
to
over
40
percent
of
the
present
population
of
mystic.
N
I
realized
that
this
would
impact
the
entire
town
and
our
way
of
life.
Things
like
allen.
Street
route,
1
sandy
hollow
downtown
parking
noise
lights,
possibly
having
to
limit
the
numbers
of
people
that
go
to
the
eastern
point,
beach
concerts,
the
safety
of
our
route,
95
on
and
off
ramps,
our
ability
to
park
at
haley,
farm
or
pequot
woods
to
take
a
walk.
N
This
development
is
far
too
massive
for
the
area
and
what
would
likely
have
far-reaching
negative
impacts
on
the
entire
mystic
community,
both
in
terms
of
quality,
life
of
life
and
future
expenses
to
our
taxpayers,
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
thought
my
the
people
who
spoke
previously
said
it
really
well.
I
have
all
those
same
concerns,
and
I
too
am
really
looking
forward
to
seeing
more
information
and
having
some
outreach
in
these.
N
You
know
on
this
issue
we're
all
kind
of
just
grabbing
things
as
we
can
and
trying
to
put
this
together
and
figure
out.
What's
coming
and
it's
it's
been
really
difficult
and
we're
very,
very
concerned,
but
I
I
thank
you
so
much
for
your
time,
and
I
appreciate
you
listening
to
me
for
the
last
few
weeks.
Thank
you.
O
I
don't
haven't,
read
all
the
documentation.
I
haven't
read
the
planning
and
zoning
changes
that
you
are
suggesting
on
making
I'm
very
much
for
smart
growth,
and
I
realize
it's
been
20
years
since
I've
I've
been
involved
in
town
projects,
starting
with
my
association
with
groton
open
space
association.
O
When
we
used
to
give
you
all
a
lot
of
trouble
and
then
going
on
with
my,
I
was
on
the
committee
to
to
further
basically
try
to
rehabilitate
downtown
groton,
which,
as
jim
furlong
recently
pointed
in
his
editorial
for
the
new
london
day,
downtown
groton
is
where
we
should
be
doing
this.
I
always
in
my
mind
side
I
still
imagine
downtown
groton
with
some
apartments
for
young
people
for
retired
people
such
as
myself,
which
is
why
I
moved
into
apartment
here
in
mystic,
because
I
enjoy
being
in
the
center
of
action.
O
I
can
understand
the
urge
to
try
to
build
this
little
village
up
in
the
mystic
oral
school,
but
I
have
to
tell
you,
when
I
drove
up
there
yesterday
up
this
tiny
robe,
where
there
were
a
property
owners,
stone
walls,
basically
preventing
the
road
from
being
widened
in
any
way.
I
just
couldn't.
Even
imagine
you
know
trucks
of
any
kind
going
up
there.
O
I
this
project
also
reminded
me,
with
the
town's
commitment
to
putting
in
more
infrastructure
of
the
plan
for
the
flanders
road
infrastructure
to
put
water
and
sewer
up
flanders,
road,
which
was
going
to
cost
10
million
dollars
in
which
I
remember
councillor.
Michael
baron
spent
a
lot
of
time,
proving
that
we
would
never
make
that
money
back.
O
O
You
know
we
may
not
always
have
agreed
with
him,
but
you
know
when
we
asked
how
much
it
was
going
to
cost
the
town
for
infrastructure.
He
would
know
and
pretty
much.
He
would
give
us
the
correct
answer.
So
I'm
I'm
really
I'm
hoping
that
you
all
take
all
this
into
account.
It's
not
just
your
little
your
changes,
which
are
already
rather
large
to
the
planning
and
zoning
rules,
but
it's
like
the
walmart
supercenter
that
we
also
fought
successfully
it's
what
it's
going
to
do
to
the
entire
town
and
to
our
finances.
C
C
B
P
A
P
P
P
It's
certainly
a
pleasure
to
be
here
once
again
before
you
tonight,
I'm
appearing
on
behalf
of
real
mccoy
spirits,
which
is
a
connecticut
corporation,
which
is
submitted
a
site
plan
application
to
the
commission
to
expand
the
existing
restaurant
space
within
the
basement
of
the
emporium
building
at
15
water
street
in
mystic
to
encompass
the
first
floor
of
that
building
as
well
joining
me
tonight,
as
I
mentioned,
is
bailey
pryor.
You
can
see
him
on
the
screen.
P
P
P
In
fact,
real
mccoy
spirits
just
opened
a
physical
distillery
here
in
connecticut
in
the
town
of
stonington,
on
toggawank
road
but
bailey
being
a
lifelong
mystic
resident
over
on
the
groton
side.
He's
always
had
a
vision
of
creating
a
unique
destination,
dining
experience
here
in
mystic
and
now
with
the
success
just
the
widespread
success
of
his
distillery,
a
dining
experience,
a
restaurant
that
could
showcase
his
distilled
spirits
and
the
rum
cocktails
that
you
can
make
with
his
with
his
products.
P
F
P
F
P
F
P
All
right
and
I'll
try
to
zoom
in.
If,
if
people
need
to
see
anything
in
greater
detail,
we
have
a
single
sheet
site
plan,
and
so
we've
got
sort
of
on
the
left
side
of
the
drawing.
We
have
the
actual
layout
of
this
lot
and
on
the
right
side
of
the
of
the
property.
We've
got
some
easement
plans
and
some
interior
renovation
designs.
Some
layout
floor
plan
layouts
including
parking
calculations
as
well,
so
I'll
try
to
jump
between
these
these
items.
P
As
I
describe
the
project,
as
I
explained
before,
there
are
no
significant
changes
whatsoever
to
the
exterior
of
the
building
or
the
site.
It
will
look
identical
to
what
is
there
today
that
historic,
architecturally,
appropriate
and
compatible
building
will
remain.
As
is
we
do
intend
to
change
the
signage
on
the
front
of
the
building
that
currently
reads
mystic
museum
of
art.
P
Access
for
the
project
remains,
as
is
off,
of
water
street
and
through
an
easement
over
the
adjacent
property
of
the
south.
That's
the
randall
wharf
property.
There
are
seven
dedicated
parking
spaces
for
the
emporium
building,
one
two,
three,
four,
five,
six,
seven,
these
seven
spaces
are
located
partially
on
the
property
itself.
You
can
see
the
property
lines
are
here
in
the
dark
dark
and
they
also
extend
the
parking
spaces
portions,
the
parking
spaces
extend
onto
the
adjacent
randall
wharf
property.
P
P
P
We've
drafted
the
easements
for
both
the
four
parking
spaces
and
the
traffic
enclosure,
and
we
which
will
be
executed
at
closing
and
we've
submitted
that
to
your
staff
with
for
review
with
our
application,
the
only
other
exterior
change
to
the
site-
and
it's
not
nothing
structural-
is
there
are
a
couple
laundry
bins
that
are
stored
in
this
alleyway
between
the
oyster
club
and
15
water
street.
Your
staff
asked
us
to
relocate
these
laundry
bins
and
we're
now
putting
them
behind
a
fence
over
here
in
the
northeast
corner
of
the
property.
P
That
is
so
that
we
can
maintain
handicap
access
through
this
alleyway
this
ramp
that
comes
up
and
enters
the
building
here,
and
that
allows
us
handicapped,
accessible
access
to
the
first
floor
of
the
building.
Where
we'll
be
expanding,
the
restaurant
we
have,
as
you
know,
if
you've
ever
visited
this
site,
you
know
that
there
is
already
handicapped
access
through
a
series
of
ramps
to
the
lower
basement
level,
and
that's
shown
right
here
on
the
plan.
That'll
remain
in
place.
P
Bottom
line
is
both
the
lower
and
upper
levels
of
the
restaurant.
The
basement
and
first
floors
of
the
building
will
have
unobstructed
ada
accessible
access
for
patrons
to
the
restaurant.
That's
important
to
the
town
it's
important
to
us
and
by
moving
these
laundry
bins,
we
make
sure
that
this
stays
clear
and
accessible
for
the
project.
P
We
have
the
basement
floor
plan
here
and
we
have
the
first
floor
floor
plan
here
on
the
lower
basement
level.
That's
the
area
that's
already
was,
you
know,
was
fire
tucks
in
the
water
street
tavern
we
are
going
to
be
doing
interior
renovations.
The
lower
basement
level
will
contain
seating
for
45
there'll,
be
37.
What
we
would
call
standard
restaurant
seats
and
we're
showing
a
proposed
table
configuration.
We
will
also
have
eight
seats
at
a
bar
that
will
be
located
at
the
lower
level.
P
F
P
One
in
the
lower
level,
one
in
the
upper
level-
and
that
makes
sense
because
we're
really
trying
to
showcase
some
of
these
unique
custom,
locally,
distilled
spirits
that
we're
going
to
be
offering
for
patrons.
We
also
have
restroom
on
this
level.
We've
got
a
back
office
room
as
well,
and
we
have
a
walking
cooler
on
this
level,
along
with
a
foyer
where
the
main
entrance
to
the
building
will
still
provide
access
and
it'll
be
sort
of
an
entry
and
a
greeting
area
for
for
customers
and
patrons
coming
in
from
a
parking
perspective.
P
We
do
have
parking
calculations
on
our
plan.
We
there
are
existing
residential
apartments,
three
of
them
on
the
upper
level,
the
third
floor
of
the
building.
They
are
pre,
they
are
already
approved
they're
in
existence.
Then
they
are
staying
in
that
location
and
in
that
configuration
and
then
what's
effectively
happening
is
the
first
floor
which
is
currently
gallery.
Space
is
being
converted
to
a
standard
restaurant
with
the
bar
or
drinking
establishment
area,
we're
doing
that
for
both
the
basement
and
the.
P
P
we're
providing
the
11
that
I
showed
on
the
site
plan
previously,
and
we
have
asked
to
utilize
the
parking
validation
program,
which
is
we're
eligible
for
in
the
mystic
downtown
district.
For
the
remainder,
we've
also
noted
that,
on
the
plan
that
we'll
be
using
the
validation
program,
we
have
to
comply
with
the
validation
program
in
terms
of
advertising
in
in
the
place
and
directing
our
patrons
to
utilize.
P
It
planning
staff
also
requested
that
we
provide
written
narrative
responses
to
the
site
plan
and
mystic
downtown
district
objectives
that
are
outlined
in
your
regulations,
believe
that
was
submitted
in
your
staff
packet.
I
think
you
have
a
copy
of
those
again
because
we're
not
making
any
significant,
exterior
changes
to
the
building
or
to
the
site
itself.
Many
of
those
objectives
are
really
not
applicable
or
the
responses
are
not
applicable
because
it's
the
existing
condition
and
we
aren't
proposing
any
changes
to
those.
P
P
P
The
property
itself,
as
you
can
see,
is
not
waterfront
property,
and
there
is
no
so
there's
no
public
access
issues,
but
there
are
no
building
additions.
We're
not
putting
anything
else
up
we're
not
expanding.
We're
not
elevating
the
building
or
putting
another
story
on
the
building,
so
there's
really
no
concern
with
negatively
impacting
the
existing
public
view
sheds
to
the
river
that
may
exist.
P
I
think
I
want
to
just
reiterate:
this
site
has
successfully
operated
in
the
past
for
restaurant
use
and
the
expansion
of
the
restaurant
use
to
the
first
floor
of
the
building
poses
no
impacts
to
the
overall
site
layout
or
how
the
site
functions.
Fundamentally,
we
don't
think
there's
any
adverse
impacts
whatsoever
to
the
neighborhood
or
the
community.
P
Most
importantly,
though,
this
is
an
application
by
a
long
time,
mystic
resident,
who
wants
to
showcase
his
successful
business
in
downtown
mystic
to
create
a
unique
destination,
a
dining
experience
that
is
something
special.
It's
not
a
chain
restaurant
or
anything
like
that.
It's
something
unique!
It's
a
one-of-a-kind
type
of
a
facility.
It
will
positively
contribute
to
the
character
of
mystic
by
reutilizing
in
this
historic
and
architecturally
valuable,
building
with
an
economically
viable
use,
and
I
think
that
meets
every
checks,
every
box
in
the
plan
of
conservation
and
development.
P
So
again,
this
is
a
site
plan
application.
It's
not
a
special
permit,
but
I
think
this
is
clearly
a
permitted
use.
We've.
We
believe
we've
addressed
all
of
your
staff's
comments
at
this
point,
we've
provided
all
the
documentation
they've
requested,
and
so
we
certainly
would
be
pleased
if
you
would
entertain
action
on
this
application
this
evening,
mr
pryor
and
myself
and
mr
fettis
are
available.
If
you
have
any
specific
questions
about
our
proposal.
Thank
you.
F
Q
Okay,
yes,
we
did
want
to.
As
mr
sweeney
said,
there
is
really
no
change
to
the
actual
building.
We
did
want
a
site
plan
mainly
because
the
they
were
buying
the
property,
and
it
was
no
longer
going
to
be
under
the
ownership
of
the
mystic
art
association,
which
controlled
some
of
the
parking
spaces
and
also
the
trash
enclosure
area.
Q
So
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
they
have
those
appropriate
easements
in
place
when
this,
when
the
site
plan
gets
recorded
and
then
also
the
other
thing
was
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
they
had.
They
would
maintain
that
handicap
access
to
the
first
floor
so
many
times
in
in
mystic.
With
these
older
buildings,
they
either
don't
have
handicap
access
or
can't
provide
handicap
access.
Q
And
then
the
other
thing
we
want
to
make
sure
is
that
they
would
participate
in
the
validation
program
and
to
make
sure
that
you
know
everything.
That's
required
by
the
zoning
regulations
are,
are
in
place
when
the
when
the
use
gets
started.
So
those
are
the
only
things
other
than
that.
We
have
a
motion
a
graph
motion,
but
if
we
can
go
through
the
the
commission,
if
they
have
any
questions
before
we
put
up
the
motion.
E
E
P
E
P
Yeah-
and
I
remember
when
we
were
talking
when
I
was
reviewing
the
origin-
the
previous
site
plan-
there
was
some
note
on
that.
Yes,
it's
certainly
that
could
be
a
technical
item
that
we
work
with
with
staff.
I
think
staff's
draft
motion
has
sort
of
a
catch-all
at
the
end
that
we
have
to
resolve
any
technical
items.
So
I
I
know
the
town's
desire
to
try
to
have
bike
racks
available
and-
and
certainly
I'm
sure,
we
can
work
with
you
on
that
point-
to
try
to
resolve
that.
H
R
Sure
my
name
is
bailey
pryor.
I
live
at
35
pearl
street
in
mystic,
the
the
the
upstairs
you
know
the
first
floor
is
going
to
be
the
main
entrance
and
that's
where
we'll
have
sort
of
the
greeting
area,
the
the
maitre
d
would
be
in
that
location,
so
people
would
come
into
that
spot
and
and
primarily
from
there
you
would
go
either.
You
know
be
escorted
to
your
table
at
the
on
the
first
floor
or
be
brought
downstairs.
R
R
Well,
you
walk
up
to
the
front
door
there
and
we
could.
We
could
put
a
doorbell
there
or
they
could
just
go
up
the
ramp
and
come
inside
at
that
stage
and
and
so
from
in
that
space
we
can
do
the
automatic
door,
you
press
the
button
and
the
door
opens
up.
You
know
there
were
certain
aspects
to
the
to
the
design
that
were
technical,
that
we
we
figured.
R
We
would
update,
which
currently,
you
know,
don't
exist,
but
something
that
we
could
add
to
the
building
to
make
it
more
accessible,
but
it
would
be
easy
access
right
up
that
existing
ramp
and
then
from
there.
You
would
enter
and
you'd
be
right
there
on
the
first
floor,
and
so,
as
you
can
see
from
the
layout,
it's
it's.
You
know
right
by
the
bar
area,
there's
a
handicap
accessible
zone
right
into
the
first
floor.
R
Similarly,
if
you
wanted
to
go
down
to
the
the
basement
level
same
thing,
you
would
you
would
come
in
and
report,
you
know
at
the
front
or
you
could
come
down
to
the
basement
and
it's
the
same
kind
of
thing.
You
press
the
button
and
the
access
door
opens
and
you
come,
but
it
was
you
know
the
same
issues.
The
same
questions
would
have
existed
previously
for
the
for
the
art
center
for
their
gallery.
H
H
A
little
bit
different,
that's
why
I'm
that's
why
I'm
asking
so
it
might
take.
Some
more
thought
is
because,
where
the
existing
four-year
door
is
is
not
accessible,
I
mean
it
hasn't
been
for
100
years
and
it's
not
accessible
now.
So
the
idea
was
you
go
back
down
the
ramp
and
you
ring
the
button
knock
on
the
door
on
your
phone.
Some.
It
has
to
be
some
process
that,
when
it
was
just
a
gallery
wasn't
as
big
a
deal,
because
there
was
a
show
happening,
it
was
a.
P
One
thing
that
diane
put
in
her
suggested
motion
conditions
was
to
put
a
sign.
Diane
you
might
want
to
comment
on
this
was
to
put
signage
on
the
corner
of
the
building.
You
know
directing
people
to
this
handicapped
accessible
entrance
as
well.
So
I
think
you
know
that's
something
that
we
certainly
think
is
a
good
idea
and
we're
amenable
to
and
we're
amenable
to
all
of
diane's
conditions
that
she
put
forward.
F
P
There'll
be
a
little
bit
of
education
and
just
getting
used
to
how
it
works,
but
I
think
your
suggestions
are
good
ones
and-
and
we
certainly
will
look
at
that
in
terms
of
operationally,
because
you
know
we
were
sort
of
happy
that
we
thought
it
was
a
real
selling
point-
that
if
you
were
disabled,
it
wasn't
as
if
you
were
limited
to
one
floor,
you
could
eat
on
either
floor.
You
don't
have
to
get
relegated
to
the
basement
that
you
could.
P
R
P
H
Another
one:
it's
not
it's,
actually
not
for
you
guys
so
much.
I
think
this
is
a
an
item
for
staff
and
maybe
among
us.
So
this
is
a
case
where
I
don't
think
anybody
has
a
problem
with
the
additional
spaces
that
are
on
the
museum
property,
and
now
you
have
them
by
an
easement
so
for
the
rest
of
us
now
we
have.
H
So
so
we're
we're
going
to
be
okay
with
this,
but
we
just
happened
to
talk
about
the
same
subject,
though,
having
the
parking
wall
removed.
What
happens
if
the
owner
of
the
property
decides
to
do
something
else
with
it
in
this
case?
Well,
you
have
an
easement
right,
so
I
agree
so
I
guess
this
goes
to
staff.
Isn't
that
the
the
solution
to
our
problems
for
requiring
off-site
parking
to
make
sure
owned
or
not
owned?
There's
an
easement
on
it
for
parking
for
a
given
site.
Q
H
Q
F
H
Now
I
agree-
and
I
just
I
really
I'm
sorry
to
bring
it
up
as
part
of
this.
It's
just
that.
We
have
the
illustration
here
that
works
and
at
our
last
meeting
we
couldn't
figure
out
what
worked.
So
we
just
didn't,
do
it
right,
so
maybe
all
it
takes
is
it's
got
to
have
an
easement
so
we'll,
that's
that,
that's
for
a
later
part
in
the
meeting
or
a
different
meeting.
So
thanks
for
bearing
with
me,
but
there
it
is
otherwise.
I
have
absolutely
no
issue
with
this
project.
J
P
Yeah,
there's
no
change,
there's
no
change
whatsoever
for
the
apartment
access.
In
fact,
I
was
there
earlier
today
and
I
ran
into
some
one
of
the
residents
who's
in
the
armed
forces
who
was
coming
down
these
steps.
So
I
believe
this
is
the
main
access
billy.
Is
there
any
any
details
there
that
I'm
missing.
R
No,
you
come
up
those
stairs
on
the
side
and
then
you
come
on
to
this
porch.
That's
pre-existing
here
and
there's
an
entryway
to
go
into
an
interior
stairwell
to
the
third
floor
or
an
entryway
into
the
apartment,
one
of
the
two
apartments
on
the
second
floor
right
there.
If
you
loop
around
to
the
right
of
where
your
cursor
is
here,
there's
sort
of
two
little
boxes
come
down
right
right,
just
a
little
bit
to
the
right
and
that
right
there
that's
the
entrance
into
the
second
apartment.
On
the
on
the
second
floor.
B
D
Yeah
thanks,
I
think,
on
the
parking
issue.
I
think
the
thing
that
really
works,
this
application
is
the
pack
of
proximity,
and
so
the
easement
and
everything-
and
in
fact
it's
right
next
to
building,
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
I
think
easement
could
work
a
lot
of
cases,
but
this
is
something
that
would
be
self-policy,
because
if
it's
too
far
away,
it's
not
going
to
get
the
customers,
and
so
it
wouldn't
make
sense.
D
F
P
Q
I
F
I
R
R
R
Curiosity,
it's
very
doable
yeah.
We
don't
need
to,
in
fact
we're
not
really
modifying
anything
on
the
interior
except
adding
the
second
bar.
On
the
on
the
first
floor,
all
the
existing
structures
and
the
use
of
the
kitchen
and
the
stairwells
and
the
foyer
and
the
back
rooms
and
everything
or
the
walk-in
cooler
everything's,
exactly
the
same.
All
we're
doing
is
essentially
adding
the
bar
and
putting
up
decorations.
R
Not
so
much
it's
not
meant
to
go,
you
know
up
upstairs
for
one
activity
and
downstairs
for
another.
It's
just
as
a
seating.
You
know
it's
similar
to
you
know
like
many
of
the
restaurants
in
downtown
mystic
that
have
an
upstairs
seating
area.
You're,
escorted,
upstairs,
there's
via
amelia,
has
that
by
the
drawbridge
oyster
club
has
that
mystic
pizza
has
that
a
number
of
restaurants
in
the
in
downtown
mystic
have
this
kind
of
model
of
an
upstairs
and
downstairs
seating
area.
It's
just
a
good
use
of
space.
Okay,.
R
No
we're
actually
more
along
the
oyster
club
line
where
we
want
to
be
one
of
the
earlier
bars
to
close
at
night.
We
don't
want
to
be
late
night.
So
that's
not
our
that's,
not
our
scene.
It's
not
my
brand
position
for
a
real
mccoy,
so
this
is
really
meant
to
be
a
very
fine
restaurant
and
and
but
it's
not
like
the
late
night
bar
where
people
are
hanging
out.
This
is
more
of
the
you
know,
cocktail
experience
really
fine
food
experience.
R
G
G
P
Actually,
there's
actually
restricted
parking
signs
up
right
now
in
this
area
here
and
you
know
in
this
area,
I
know
it's
on
here
on
the
on
the
actual
retaining
wall,
there's
restricted
parking
signs.
I
would
assume
that
we
may
do
the
same
thing
for
these
spaces
as
well.
If
it's
not
already
there,
I
just
can't
remember.
Q
G
G
That's
great.
My
second
point
is
I
just
wanted
to
on
a
qualitative,
for
me
say
that
I
thought
this.
I
believe
this
application
is
very
aligned
with
the
mission
of
mystic
and
I
think
you
guys
did
a
great
job
on
it
and
on
the
third
side,
knowing
restaurants
intimately
and
as
part
of
my
business
and
my
private
equity,
you
got
too
small
kitchen,
I'm
just
going
to
say
it,
but
to
put
out
200
plates,
I
mean
you
got
90
to
100
spots.
You
get
up
times
two.
G
R
B
B
R
F
B
B
B
Pretty
simple,
so
no
one
has
any
concerns
and
I'll
make
a
motion
to
approve
a
site
plan
sit
21-07
with
a
real
mccoy
restaurant
15
water
street
to
change
retail
space
to
a
standard
restaurant
use
with
the
following
modifications:
one,
the
walkway
on
the
north
side
of
the
building
and
the
interior
floor
plan
must
be
kept
free
from
obstruction
to
allow
pedestrian
nada
access
from
water
street.
To
the
first
floor,
dining
room
signage
shall
note.
B
B
E
R
F
B
A
Sure
so,
at
your
last
meeting
you
did
hear
a
presentation
from
brian
kent
about
the
benefits
of
complete
streets.
It's
the
same
presentation.
The
council
heard
late
last
year
in
your
packet,
is
a
draft
complete
street
policy
for
the
town
of
groton.
The
council
is
interested
in
your
thoughts
on
it.
I've
also
included
in
there
an
appendix
from
the
southeastern
connecticut
council
of
government,
spike
and
pedestrian
plan
that
has
policies
from
three
other
towns
just
just
to
look
at
and
see
what
other
towns
have
adopted.
A
G
A
A
B
A
A
Another
town,
I
think
portland
actually
has
priority
areas
that
they've
designated
for
certain
types
of
improvements
or
or
areas
that
really
need
to
have
significant
improvement
to
become
a
complete
street,
and
then
there's
excuse
me.
I
think
a
couple
of
them
address
state
roads
and
while
the
town
doesn't
have
authority
over
state
roads
it,
it
recommends
strongly
that
the
state
follow
both
their
own
policy
and
the
town's
policy.
So
those
are
some
things
to
think
about
when
you're.
Looking
at
our
draft.
B
A
A
It
is,
and-
and
just
so
that
you're
aware
the
parks
and
rec
director
is
applying
for
a
grant
to
update
the
bike
and
pedestrian
and
trail
plan.
Although
he's
expanding,
it
he's
going
to
be
calling
it
a
community
connectivity
plan,
so
it'll
address,
you
know
how
you
go
from
a
sidewalk
to
a
trail
to
a
bike
path
and
if
he
gets
that
money
that
it'll
be.
I
think
that
will
really
inform
this.
This
policy.
B
B
H
All
right,
I
understand
from
from
the
gist
of
this
is
that
most
of
what
I
see
here
is
terms
like
we'll
consider
will
evaluate.
Will
there's
no
here's
what
you
shall
do,
there's
no
measure,
no
implementation,
yeah.
It's
just
presentation,
make
sure
you
realize
this
was
the
situation
and
compared
all
these
things,
which
I'm
all
for
maybe
that's
the
best
we
can
do.
A
No,
this
is
as
the
planning
commission,
it
is
essentially
an
824
type
referral
they're
interested
in
in
your
thought,
because
you
know
think
about
it.
In
the
in
the
subdivision
regulations
you
have
standards
for
new
streets,
so
you
know
complete
streets
is
definitely
something.
That's
that's
something
you
guys
consider
and
probably
the
the
subdivision
regulations,
if
indeed
they
adopt
a
complete
streets
policy,
should
be
consistent
with
that
complete
street
policy.
I
B
E
B
A
F
F
E
A
A
And
it
the
relevant
part
of
it
is
the
applicant
agrees
that,
in
the
event
that
development
warranting
sidewalks
occurs
in
the
vicinities
of
the
precious
memory
daycare
site,
the
applicant
shall
appear
before
the
town
of
groton
planning
commission
to
allow
for
a
determination
to
be
made
at
that
time.
That
conditions
have
not
changed
to
so
warrant
installation
of
fronted
sidewalks.
A
A
B
J
J
A
J
F
A
I
can
actually
I'll
see
what
I
can
find
for
you.
We
had
an
initial
presentation
very
preliminary,
maybe
a
month
or
two
ago,
and
I
know
they're
going
to
go
to
the
council
in
july
and
and
show
them
what
they're
thinking
I'll
see.
If
I
can
get
a
you
know,
a
ballpark
figure
as
to
when
they're
thinking
about
it.
I
mean,
because
it
is
it's
intersection,
improvements
that
do
include
sidewalk
construction
along
the
ambulance,
frontage
and
along
sandy
hollow
road
in
the
area.
That's
shown
on
precious
memory
sight
plan
to
their
driveway.
H
I
would
think
the
state
might
do
a
perfectly
good
job
if
they're
looking
at
that
sandy
hollow
road
as
part
of
their
study,
then
they'll
probably
do
okay,
but
I'd
be
surprised
to
think
they
were
thinking
of
pedestrians
because
there's
no
big
pedestrians
there's
nobody
out
there
counting
pedestrians.
It's
it's.
We
hear
from
barbara
english,
how
terrible
it
is
and
how
impossible
it
was
for
me
to
get
my
bike
across
there
and
it's
going
to
get
worse,
as
other
developments
happen
at
our.
F
H
H
B
This
or
bring
it
up
when
you
get
the
information,
we'll
add
that
to
the
to
the
agenda
and
make
a
decision
tonight.
But
I
I
think
it's
a
good
thing,
and
I
I
think
what
may
have
also
happened
is
that
people
use
gps
to
get
to
mystic
and
a
lot
of
them
now
will
go
down
allen
street
that
way,
rather
than
going
to
route
27
and
that
may
increase
the
amount
of
cars
around
that
area
also
yeah.
J
H
B
F
B
B
E
D
H
A
All
right,
so,
the
the
this
is
brooks
haven
road
here,
where
my
cursor
is.
This
is
culver
avenue
and
out
here
is
long
hill
road,
so
the
drive-through
is
is
here
where
my
cursor
is,
and
you
can
see
when
they
combine
all
of
these
lots.
There
are
three
front
yards
along
brookshaven
along
culver
and
a
long
long
hill.
So
one
variance
that
they're
asking
for
is
to
allow
a
drive-through
in
a
front
yard.
A
The
other
involves
the
wall,
which
is
over
eight
feet
in
height
and
so
is
considered
a
structure
and
should
meet
the
setbacks
by
the
zoning
regulations.
So
they've
asked
for
relief
from
that
for
the
retaining
wall
plus
the
fence
on
top
all
together
that
that
equals,
I
think,
is
it
16
feet.
Diameter,
a
16
foot.
F
B
E
B
F
A
J
Q
E
B
A
Q
B
Q
Basically,
it
says
the
proposal
does
not
meet
the
intent
and
purpose
of
the
cn
district,
which
is
to
accommodate,
lighter
neighborhoods,
serving
retail
and
nodes
or
gateways
that
can
serve
as
a
smooth
transition
between
commercial
and
residential
uses.
So
I
basically
took
the
intent
of
the
cn
district
if
you
want
to
make
that
type
of
recommendation.
H
Especially
with
the
emphasis
towards
pedestrian
connections
in
greenspan,
though
I'll
have
to
play
a
little
devil's
advocate
here,
just
in
terms
of
the
building,
I
think
the
building
itself.
This
can
be
it'll,
be
it'll,
be
a
convenience
store
yeah.
Everyone
in
that
neighborhood
will
love
having
that
there.
F
B
E
F
H
E
B
Q
A
H
F
G
Q
E
G
B
F
O
F
Q
F
F
J
B
F
B
B
B
F
G
They've
been
insightful,
they've
been
efficient,
they
have
have
been
honest
in
in
in
their
appraisal,
but
as
we
go
through
this
every
two
weeks,
listening
to
the
public
comment
on
the
mystic
oral
school
and
understand
my
background,
it
was
with
you
know
the
world's
largest
corporation.
As
far
as
development
life
cycle
was
microsoft.
G
G
So
my
point
so
my
point
is
so
let
me
get
specific.
My
point
is
for
us
to
hear
public
comment
on
an
incomplete
project
that
has
been
you
know
within
our
sphere
for
us
to
listen
to
that's,
not
our
mission
within
the
planning
and
zoning
commission,
it's
up
for
the
town
if
they
want
to
answer
these
questions,
because
the
citizens
are
energized
in
a
positive
way
and
they're.
A
A
lot
of
comments
that
are
things
that
you
don't
deal
with
and
really
you
don't
have
the
answers
to
these
questions,
but,
frankly
you're
the
the
only
people
who
are
listening.
So
I
think
that's
why
you're
getting
these
questions,
the
town
council
has
signed
a
development
agreement
with
with
wrestler
homes.
I
mean
they
they've
signed
an
agreement
that
agreement
doesn't
bind
this
commission
in
any
way
shape
or
form,
and
it
says
that
in
in
the
development
agreement,
but
in
order
for
a
development
to
happen,
a
redevelopment
happened
on
this
property.
A
A
A
Looked
at
a
couple
of
drafts
of
proposed
text,
amendment
you've,
given
us
some
feedback
as
to
whether
or
not
you
think
you
know,
this
section
is
right
for
this
area,
that
is,
the
density
right
or
the
buffer
is
right
and
and
we're
trying
to
incorporate
that
into
at
another
draft
of
a
text.
Amendment,
but
that's
I
mean
that's
your
role
in
this
is,
is
to
you
know
if
it
is
to
in
order
to
allow
a
redevelopment
of
the
mystic
or
old
school
property
with
the
buildings
that
are
there,
that
don't
need.
A
Zoning
right
now
is
to
develop
a
text
amendment
and
then
from
there
a
developer
would
do
a
proposal
for
you
know
whatever
it
is.
You
lay
out.
You
know
in
this
case
right
now
we're
talking
about
doing
a
master
plan
and
a
zone
change
and
then
site
plan
approval
and
those
are
all
individual
applications
that
wrestler
homes
would
be
responsible
to
to
make
and
to
make
their
case
to
you,
but
but
yeah
kevin
you're.
So
right
you
guys
are
just
getting
the
brunt
of
all
these
questions.
That.
G
You
can,
I
don't
care
the
brunt.
My
point
is
it's
we're
maligned
as
far
as
the
process
is
concerned,
I'm
just
going
to
talk
about
process,
so
you
can't
hand
me
the
next
step
of
what
of
a
text
amendment
which
I'm
supposed
to
do.
If
you
don't
have
a
package
that
to
me,
allows
us
to
do
that
portion
of
the
job.
All
of
us
will
do
it.
I
love
to
listen
to
these
citizens.
They're
energized,
you
know,
but
we
we
don't
have
a
package
that
allows
us
to
develop
a
text.
G
Amendment
in
I
believe
there
are
people
within
this
town
that
believe
we
do,
and
my
point
is
within
the
process.
It
is
broken
at
this
point
and
then
you
you
as
a
town
council,
if
you're
the
one
that
has
given
this
to
us
as
a
planning
commission,
it's
a
misaligned
mission
of
what
we
do
and
we're
very
willing
to
do
a
text.
Amendment
you've
got
to
do
all
the
rest
of
the
work
as
far
as
basic
documents,
much
more
discovery
before
you
hand
this
off
to
us
to
develop
a
text
document.
That's
my.
F
B
B
I
think
it
came
from
the
originally.
We
knew
that
the
town
is
interested
in
developing
this
piece
of
property,
but
it's
no
formal
direction
and
that's
came
through.
I
guess,
through
the
town
staff,
probably
from
the
town
manager,
down
to
to
come
up
with
a
set
of
regulations
for
redeveloping.
It
first
started
out
as
redeveloping
or
development
of
reuse
of
existing
buildings,
and
I
think
we
felt
that
the
town
that
this
property
was
a
big
piece
of
property
and
that
was
probably
more
significant
than
the
fact
they
were
was
an
existing
building
on
it.
B
That
it's
not
like
us
say,
is
the
groton
heights
school
or
that
people
wanted
to
develop
as
a
as
a
building.
This
is
really
developing
as
a
property,
so
we've
been
given
a
rough
draft
of
it
and
gone
through
a
couple
of
revisions
of
it
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do,
not
necessarily
to
say
that
the
draft
would
support
or
not
support
the
proposal
that
was
signed
by
the
council.
B
I
F
A
I
mean
initially,
the
thought
was
to
redevelop
the
mystic
education
center
buildings,
those
buildings.
Don't
I
mean
they
don't
meet
the
the
ru-80
zoning,
and
so
it
was.
There
was
a
recognition
that,
in
order
to
allow
a
redevelopment
up
there
up
there
and
and
maybe
an
expansion,
the
zoning
text
needs
to
be
written
to
show
how
you
get
an
approval.
A
You
know
if
this
were
not
a
state
property.
I
mean
that's
another
wrinkle
in
this
is
that
the
state
owns
this
thing
and
they're
they're
said
they're
selling
it
to
wrestler
they've
got
a
purchase
and
sale
agreement.
Typically,
if
it
had,
you
know
just
a
privately
owned
piece
of
property.
That
was
like
this
I
mean
we
might.
The
developer
would
be
proposing
this
text
amendment
and
and
would
probably
be
coming
to
you
informally.
A
B
F
J
F
J
A
So
just
as
a
sidebar
here
I
mean
I,
you
guys
had
asked
us
to
develop
a
frequently
asked
questions
sheet
to
put
up
on
the
website.
Well,
I've
now
got
you
know
three
and
a
half
pages
of
questions,
I'm
starting
on
the
answers,
so
so
that
will
will
go
up.
I
hope
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks
that
encompasses
everything
that
you
guys
have
heard
for
the
last.
You
know
12
13
14
months
to
try
to
at
least
get
those
answers
out
there.
A
Well,
no,
but
I
mean
some
of
it
is.
Like
sorry,
ask
the
council,
you
know,
I
mean
it's,
not
it's
not
a
planning
and
zoning
issue,
but
but
you
know
laying
out
where
are
we
in
this
process
that
that
that
kind
of
thing-
and
I
also
want
to
say
I
know
a
number
of
the
folks-
the
people
who
are
attending
this
meeting-
have
their
hands
up?
This
is
not
the
time
that
the
commission
can
and
hear
your
thoughts.
A
A
They
can
write
exactly
exactly
write
it
down,
send
it
to
us
exactly
so
in
terms
of
the
next
steps
here,
we're
trying
to
come
up
with
a
date,
a
couple
of
dates,
probably
in
june,
to
continue
the
discussion
on
on
the
text,
amendment
we're
working
around
some
vacations
for
staff
and
for
the
consultant,
and
it
will
be
a
special
meeting,
because
john
reiner
needs
to
be
here
and
typically
on
tuesday
nights
he's
over
at
the
council.
So
it
won't
be
at
a
regular
meeting.
A
B
F
B
G
Right
and
I
think
jeff-
that's
true-
and
the
point
is
no
one
really
has
this
plan.
What
this
life
cycle
development
of
this
project
is
going
to
be
it's
very
amorphic.
There's
there's
no
precision
to
it
right
now,
so
you
get
all
these
questions,
which
are
good
questions
and
a
lot
of
times.
We
don't
have
the
answers,
but
the
fact
is
is
that
the
development
cycle
has
not
been
laid
out
and
if
it
was,
I
think
the
townspeople
would
understand
it
a
great
deal
more,
not
that
we
would
have
more
answers.
G
A
A
So
all
he's
got
is
this
this
pretty
picture
that
he
keeps
showing
of
you,
know
a
sort
of
old
village
and
parking
garages
and
whatever,
but
he's
not
going
to
put
any
more
money
into
the
actual
details
of
that
until
he
knows
what's
going
to
be
allowed
on
the
site
which
brings
us
back
to
the
text.
Amendment.