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From YouTube: Groton Planning and Zoning Commission 1/12/21
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Groton, Connecticut municipal meeting: Planning and Zoning Commission January 12, 2021. Click on the link below to view the agenda.
https://www.agendasuite.org/iip/groton/meeting/details/1083
A
Okay,
great
so
this
is
the
january
12
2021
meeting
with
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
jeffrey
pritchard
is
the
chair.
Staff
tonight
includes
bruce
lofgren
and
me
deb
jones,
kara
hovland
is
here
taking
minutes
for
the
public.
If
you
wish
to
address
the
commission,
you
need
to
do
that
during
the
public
public
considerations.
Sorry,
public
communications
portion
of
the
meeting
in
order
to
be
recognized
you
do
need
to
raise
your
hand.
C
D
B
E
E
B
E
B
B
E
E
G
G
B
B
H
B
B
B
C
I
C
And
you
have
better
results,
so
I
I
just
had
a
conversation
with
him
and
I
you
know.
I
told
him
that
if,
if
he
had
concerns
that
he
should
do
exactly
what
he's
doing
just
to
communicate
with
people
and
hopefully
we'll
hear
back
from
I-
he
had
said
that
he
had
written
another
letter
back
in
june
and
I
don't
recall
ever
getting
that
one.
But
I
don't
know
if.
C
E
Ken
siegel,
who
is
one
of
the
members
and
also
it
was
ended
up
being
a
group
call
with
nancy
cody
and
robert
frink,
who
are
part
of
that
authority,
and
they
were.
They
had
submitted
a
a
plan
for
the
oral
school
property
that
wasn't
accepted,
but
so
they
just
wanted
to
discuss
it
not
to
make
it
to
get
it
accepted.
It
was
already
watered
under
the
bridge
as
far
as
they
were
concerned,
but
I
they
thought
it
was.
E
They
weren't
looking
to
change
anything.
They
were
actually
just
looking
looking
for
a
way
forward,
but
not
with
that
project.
They
weren't
looking
to
put
low-cost
housing
on
that
site
that
had
nothing
to
do
with
it.
They
were
looking
for
market
rate
housing,
but
that's
just
part
of
their
part
of
their
mechanism,
so
they
said
they
would
be
sharing
and
I'm
assuming
that
we
all
will
be
receiving
a
copy
of
their
proposal
just
for
reference.
A
B
B
B
G
B
J
Oh
okay,
roseanne
kakowski,
24
and
avenue
rtm
district
5..
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
comment
on
the
mystic
oil
school
project.
Again.
I
do
not
support
this
project
and
believe
this
project
will
change
the
northeast
section
of
town
for
the
worst,
and
I
also
believe
that
everyone
knows
that
at
the
very
least,
it
is
a
fact
that
this
project
will
dramatically
change
the
northeast
section
of
town.
The
question
is:
will
the
change
be
for
the
better
or
the
worst?
I
believe
it
will
be
for
the
worst.
Is
the
commission
willing
to
take
that
risk?
J
I
did
not
support
this
project
when
there
were
750
dwelling
units
proposed
now
that
the
number
has
increased
to
931.
I
am
even
more
opposed
to
it.
This
is
not
a
good
project
for
the
residents
in
the
northeast
section
of
town.
There
are
some
questions
that
need
to
be
answered,
starting
with
the
attachment
to
the
agenda
to
this
meeting
with
commissioners
kane's
questions
and
concerns.
J
J
It
is
dysfunctional
and
non-transparent
that
the
planning
department
is
writing
regulations
for
specific
projects
rather
than
a
developer,
creating
a
project
that
fits
into
the
planning
and
zoning
regulations.
I
am,
of
course,
disappointed
with
the
planning
department.
As
I
have
said
previously,
it
seems
that
the
planning
department
has
its
own
agenda
and
is
disconnected
from
the
residents
in
the
northeast
section
of
groton.
They
don't
live
here
and
are
not
invested
in
the
community,
definitely
not
in
my
part
of
town.
J
In
my
opinion,
the
developer
is
totally
unrealistic
to
believe
groton
residents
will
be
able
to
pay
the
rent
that
they
are
planning
to
charge
for
the
unit.
Do
the
math?
What
salary
is
required
to
afford
a
two
thousand
dollar
rent
a
typical
electrical
employee
salary
could
not
afford
this
high
rent.
I
would
also
also
like
to
ask
the
commission
how
many
of
you
have
heard
the
term
electric
boat.
Roller
coaster
rides
how
many
of
you,
or
anyone
in
your
family
have
been
laid
off
from
electric
boats.
J
J
Never,
and
history
proves
that
electric
vote
is
in
business,
not
because
of
the
economy,
not
because
of
the
skilled
workers
and
not
because
of
the
product.
Electric
vote
is
in
business
because
of
politicians
and
their
political
agendas.
What
if
the
new
administration
is
under
pressure
to
reduce
the
defense
defense
budget?
Sorry,
then
what
thousands
of
people
will
no
longer
be
employed
at
electric
votes?
This
has
happened
many
times
in
the
past,
and
families
are
devastated.
J
J
J
One
more
point
that
was
recently
brought
to
my
attention
that
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
may
or
may
not
be
aware
of.
We
would
think
that
the
town
of
groton
would
treat
all
parts
of
town
the
same
right.
Well,
not
true.
Did
you
know
that
the
knowing
school
property
is
slated
to
become
an
arboretum?
J
A
F
G
A
A
K
Good
afternoon
or
good
evening,
my
name
is
matthew:
richardson
21,
boulder
court,
mystic
connecticut.
I
spoke
in
december
about
the
mystic
oral
school
project.
I'm
going
to
speak
I'd
like
to
speak
again
about
it.
I
like
what
rachel
just
did
and
read
that
letter
that
we
all
got
and
we
all
very
much
appreciate
and
kind
of
reflect,
the
same
way
and
the
same
sentiments
on
it.
One
of
the
things
I
was
planning
on
doing
was
reading
that
and
I
hope
other
people
do
re-read
that
to
the
commission
and
the
board.
K
They
found
it
laughable
to
move
into
a
place
at
fifteen
hundred
dollars
a
month
for
a
one
bedroom
and
now
the
fact
that
they're
upping
that
price
even
to
two
thousand
dollars
a
month
just
seems
laughable.
Again.
There
is
no
realism
in
that.
Those
guys
don't
want
to
do
that.
They
want
to
get
four
or
five
of
these
guys
get
into
a
house
that
they
pay
1500
a
month
for
the
entire
house,
rent
that
so
they
can
pocket
some
money
and
get
their
own
place.
They
do
not
want
this.
I
did
not
want
this.
K
When
I
was
a
young,
eb
engineer,
I
never
wanted
it.
They
don't
want
it,
they
still
don't
want
it.
The
next
thing
I
have
does
anyone
openly
support
this.
I've
heard
so
much
negative
feedback
on
this.
I've
not
heard
one
person
that
did
not
have
some
kind
of
thing
to
gain
by
this
project
going
through
actually
say
something
good
about
it.
There's
been
absolutely
nothing
everything
from
people
around
here
on
all
sides
of
mystic
stonington,
groton
city
of
groton,
town
of
groton.
K
It
wasn't
until
the
newspaper
actually
by
name
said
that
I
called
them
out
during
the
meeting.
That's
when
they
actually
got
back
to
me
and
the
thing
was:
is
they
didn't
answer
really
any
of
the
questions
they
used?
A
lot
of
vague
terms
said
preliminary
studies.
Nothing's
final
things
are
all
fluid
and
in
motion,
but
the
thing
that
really
got
me
is
they
doctored
the
date
of
the
email
that
I
sent
from
when
I
sent
it
to
make
it
look
like
they
responded
promptly
to
my
email.
A
M
M
It's
what
we're
going
to
see
when
we're
looking
at
the
back
of
these
apartment
buildings
and
this
eight-story
garage
that
is,
is
the
problem
additionally,
that
road
that
they're
going
to
build
around
it.
One
of
the
other
things
that
we
do
know
we
also
do
not
know,
is
the
orientation
of
these
apartments.
Are
we
going
to
be
looking
at
the
back
of
these
apartments
at
the
balconies,
with
all
the
lights
where
people
are
having
their
dinners?
You
know
out
on
the
balconies
at
night.
M
Are
they
going
to
have
all
those
lights
shining
down
in
our
yards
after
that
period
of
time?
So
that
was
one
of
my
questions.
Another
question
I
have
is
I'm
concerned
about
the
blasting.
We've
already
talked
about
the
fact
that
everybody
everyone
here
is
on
a
well
and
because
they're
digging
into
ledge
has
ledge
light,
looked
into
the
ramifications
of
radon
and
other
other
pollutants,
that'll
be
in
the
ground,
water
or
other
pollutants.
That'll
be
airborne
during
this
blasting.
That's
a
big
concern
for
us.
My
neighbor
just
had
a
brand
new
baby.
M
I
got
out
of
the
navy
in
1988,
and
the
trident
program
was
going
very
strong
when
I
got
out
of
the
navy.
I
had
a
20-year
plan
and
I
basically
would
have
been
golden
up
until
retirement
next
thing.
You
know
the
russians
gave
up
they
canceled
the
last
four
or
five
submarines,
I'm
out
of
a
job
and
I'm
10
years
short
11
years
short
of
my
plan
and
have
been
trying
to
recover
ever
since.
M
I
don't
think
anybody,
as
was
said
earlier,
is
paying
attention
to
the
fact
that
the
chances
of
eb
continuing
this
growth
and
continuing
this
type
of
employment
for
the
next
20
years.
For
these
young
professionals,
we
do
we've,
never
seen
it
it's
never.
It's
never
happened
like
that,
and
we've
all
seen
the
downfall
from
that.
So
those
are
my
comments.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
A
N
N
N
N
Okay,
I
I
really
guess
that's
it.
I
had
those
two
big
issues
long-term
on
the
road,
even
though
they're
proposing
new
access,
those
roads
go
out
to
allen
street
go
to
the
highway,
but
oral
school
road
is
going
to
be
the
hot
shot
road
getting
into
mystic
and
everybody
up
there.
That
wants
to
go
in
town
to
do
something
is
going
to
come
down
this
road.
I've
lived
here
for
40
something
years,
people
race
down
this
road,
very
narrow,
it's
very
dangerous!
N
B
O
I
promise
rode
more
lived
on
it
longer
than
anybody,
and
my
father
worked
that
electric
boat
for
40
plus
years
and
had
2
000
people
working
for
him.
He
was
an
upstanding
one
of
the
major
contributors
to
electric
boat
in
his
day,
road,
the
nautilus
I
worked
at
electric
boat
and
ended
up
going
to
snet
years
ago.
O
O
It
was
so
massive
amount
of
employee
down
there
that
it
was
like
going
back
to
high
school
everybody.
You
knew
worked
there
and
you
can
imagine
18
500
what
the
traffic
was
like
on
clarence,
b,
sharp
highway
and
and
down
on
thame
street.
That
shipyard
doesn't
even
have
a
third
of
those
people
in
it
anymore.
They
got
a
facility
of
quonset
that
does
some
education
understand
something
about
my
father
for
years.
You
could
not
talk
bad
about
eb
until
the
massive
layoffs
and
all
the
problems
started.
People
lost
their
jobs
with
20-something
years.
O
My
brother-in-law's,
my
brother,
was
a
big.
He
had
a
big
job
at
eb.
As
a
planning
administrator.
He
was
in
charge
of
the
one
of
the
big
departments
over
there
another
burden,
what
it
was
in
purchasing,
and
I
was
an
mda
member.
I
spent
10
years
working
for
electric
boat
and
two
years
on
a
furlough.
When
I
went
to
snet,
I
took
a
voluntary
layoff
because
my
father
wanted
me
out
of
that
shipyard
because
of
the
insecurity
of
the
employment
out
of
those
10
years
from
1974
to
1984.
O
I
only
gained
six
years
of
employment,
so
every
time
I
gained
some
yardage,
I
felt
like
a
football
team.
I
got
pushed
back
by
a
strike
off
two
14-month.
Mba
strikes
a
six-month
strike
in
the
yard
and
an
eight-month
layoff
by
viliotis
and
ten
years
of
employment
made
me
leave
a
job
that
it
was
a
very
good
job.
O
At
the
time
I
was
in
design,
I
started
climbing
telephone
poles
and
ended
up
being
a
manager
there,
but
I
will
tell
you
a
lot
of
things
that
you
were
told
up
at
those
meetings,
like
thousands
of
people
came
here
to
see
their
children
during
the
holidays
and
they
used
to
use
that
theater,
and
all
that
I
got
to
tell
you
the
truth.
I've
lived
there
all
my
life.
I've
never
seen
that
type
of
traffic
to
come
up
and
down
this
road,
and
the
gentleman
did
speak
about
the
road.
O
O
You
know
get
around
to
the
top
of
this
road
when
he
initially
built
that
road,
at
the
top
of
the
on
the
north
side
of
our
school
road
that
was
put
in
by
the
state
for
access
for
fire
and
to
the
school
and
as
the
school
digressed,
and
they
took
the
children
out
of
there
and
less
and
less
folks
used
it
and
the
state
didn't
make
any
good
use
of
the
prop.
It's
been
laying
there
forever
that
road
got
beat
up
and
now
has
been
redone
by
the
state.
O
They
told
us
years
ago,
when
I
first
built
here,
I
put
a
septic
system
in
that
cost
me
a
fortune
and
I
drilled
a
well,
so
we
were
told
we're
never
going
to
get
water
and
sewer.
I
don't
think
I
was
living
here
in
two
years.
It
was
1986
when
I
built
this
home,
so
probably
88
people
were
coming
up
the
road
and
they
were
doing
core
boring
and
checking
in
for
ledge.
O
I
asked
them
what
they
were
doing.
They
were
installing
sewers
for
the
aura
school
because
of
the
fact
that
the
feel
that
they
had
down
by
the
river
they
had
a
leaching
field
failed,
and
with
that
being
said,
I
was
told
that
the
state
paid
for
the
frontages
to
our
sewer
well
when
they
hooked
it
to
the
town,
the
the
town
charged
us
frontage
for
the
sewer
that
went
through
and
like
the
other
gentleman.
O
I
just
said
that
was
on
here
before
that
sewer
was
only
planned
for
so
many
people
to
reside
at
the
oro
school
and
the
few
people
that
lived
in
the
area
around
here
to
access.
I
don't
know
really
what
the
capacity
of
that
is,
but
I
would
just
tell
you
that
at
this
point
right
now,
if
they
build
what
they're
talking
about
up
there,
it's
another
colonial
manner
and
I'll
go
back
to
that
one.
That
goes
back
to
my
dad's
day.
You
know
when
I
first
started
working
at
eb
when
they
first
built
colonial
manor.
O
That
was
to
take
the
place
of
brantford
well
branford
manor
was
like
a
lower
rent.
Wasn't
a
low
income
at
that
point
because
of
all
the
people
that
worked
at
eb
and
pfizer,
but
colonial
mana
was
the
up.
You
know
the
uppity,
the
nicer
buildings,
people
were
selling
houses
in
groton,
they
were
retiring
and
they
were
moving
at
the
colonial
manor.
So
they'd
have
to
mow
lawn
shovel
snow.
It
was
a
place
to
go.
O
Mr
d
marinus
moved
in
there
who
used
to
be
involved
in
the
town
very
deeply,
and
what
happened
was
in
time.
Those
people
started
passing
eb
laid
off
pfizer
cut
back.
They
don't
do
production
there,
anymore
colonial
manor
and
now
is
basically
low-income
housing
like
brantford
manor,
and
I,
when
I
started
as
an
installer
in
1984
in
a
phone
company,
colonial
mana
was
a
nice
place.
O
It
is
not
a
nice
to
play
anymore,
it's
all
low-income
housing.
I
I
don't
understand
why
they
wouldn't
try
to
fix
someone
more
that
type
of
housing
rather
than
you
know,
build
something
up
here
and
start
from
scratch
and
as
far
as
the
executives,
my
dad's
house
is
next
to
me
on
101
oil,
school
road,
who's
passed
away
and
it's
been
sold
to
a
new
neighbor.
O
Just
to
give
you
an
insight,
the
two
people
that
live
there
are
both
professionals
at
eb
right
now
and
I
had
a
discussion
with
them
personally
and
they
told
me
that
anyone
that
has
a
decent
job
there,
that's
making
70
80
100
000
a
year,
whatever
the
case
may
be.
As
a
you
know,
high
paid
engineer
or
a
high
paid
mda
mda
member
is
looking
for
a
home
to
raise
children
and
do
what
all
these
folks
are
talking
about.
They're,
not
looking
for
the
quick
fix
up
the
street.
O
O
I
hate
this,
I'm
not
even
going
to
bring
up
the
the
covert
vaccination,
but
if
something
that
they're
testing
over
there
isn't
working
right
or
they
start
pulling
jobs,
my
son-in-law's
been
told
already
he's
a
project
manager
over
there
and
some
pretty
big
stuff.
They
don't
even
have
to.
They
don't
even
go
to
the
offices
anymore
they're,
pretty
much
going
to
be
told
that
they
can
work
out
of
their
homes
and
we're
going
to
have
a
different
lifestyle
in
america.
O
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
Q
Q
I
just
I
have
concerns
that
pretty
much
everyone
has
voiced,
but
also
specifically,
when
the
state
was
doing
the
deconstruction
of
some
of
the
buildings
up
there.
The
debris
that
washed
down
onto
oral
down
oral
school
onto
boulder
court
it
collected
right
at
the
bottom.
You
know
at
the
top
where
the
two
streets
intersect
and
I
had
to
replace
one
set
of
tires
and
plug
a
new
one
because
of
construction
debris.
I
just
oh
and
actually,
I'm
being
reminded
both
of
us
had
to
replace
tires.
Q
So
I
just
want
to
see
if
there's
some
provision,
that's
going
to
be
in
place.
You
know
where
they
clean
it
up
in
a
timely
fashion,
or
that
doesn't
happen
because
I
I'm
really
quite
sick
of
replacing
my
tires
because
they
get
punctured
so
anything
they
can
do
to
prevent
that
it
seems
the
state
didn't
really
do
anything
in
the
way
of
like
a
barrier
or
anything
so
any
improvement.
There
would
be
much
appreciated
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
I
M
M
However,
from
what
we've
seen
and
if
we
saw
a
real
computer
model
of
everything
going
on,
is
that
eight-story
garage
and
apartment
building
going
to
exceed
their
original
plans
of
not
going
above
the
heights
of
the
original
structures.
That's
the
question
that
I
have
for
wrestler
homes.
Thank
you
or
the
zoning
commission.
Actually,
thank
you.
A
F
N
C
I
hear
the
same
people
asking
the
same
questions
again
and
I
think
that
it's
imperative
that
I'm
amazed
at
how
polite
everyone
is,
because
I
know
what
happens
when
you
ignore
people
long
enough
they're
going
to
get
angry,
and
I
think
that
we
have
to
answer
some
of
these
questions.
Some
of
them
are
valid.
Some
of
them
are
easy
answers
and
some
of
them
are
more
difficult
and
we
don't
know.
But
if
we
don't
know
them,
we
should
tell
them
that.
C
C
That
might
be,
but
fact
the
matter
is,
is
that
I
I
can
tell
you
number
of
developments
that
have
gone
in
in
this
town,
where
they've
had
very
serious
problems
with
blasting
and
trying
to
get
compensation
is
almost
impossible
from
a
blasting
company.
If
you
haven't
had
a
pre-blasting
survey
done,
and
it's
very
infrequent
that
that
is
ever
done.
C
Well,
maybe
it's
something
that
that
we
should,
when
people
ask
that
question
just
ignoring
it
is,
is
not
not
fair.
We
we
should
give
them
an
answer
and
tell
them.
You
know
that
that
you're
gonna
I
mean
I
I've
seen.
I
saw
it
up
on
up
on
bonnie
circle.
I
had
a
property
of
my
own
in
waterford
that
had
damage
from
a
blasting
company
and
I
could
not
get
anyone
to
you.
You
end
up
in
a
loss.
C
That's
what
happens
and
if
that's
the
case,
then
they
should
be
told
that
you
know
if
you
they
have
to
demand
a
pre-blasting
survey.
Someone
does
I
don't
know
if
we
can
or
or
if
the
developer
would
be
willing
to
do
that,
but
those
kinds
of
things
are
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
critical.
I
I
would
if
I
owned
a
piece
of
property
up
there,
I
would
have
it
done
myself.
C
B
C
A
I
actually
I
was
under
report
of
staff.
Actually
I
was
going
to
bring
this
up.
I
mean
we
received
you
all
received
michael
caine's
questions
and,
and
they
are
worthy
of
answering
and
I
was
going
to
suggest
a
special
meeting
to
review
some
of
the
questions
that
have
come
up.
We'll
have
don
reiner
there
and
paige
bronk,
and
I
think,
along
with
that,
the
town
attorney
has
offered
to
come
to
sort
of
explain
what
the
authority
of
a
master
plan
is
and
what
sort
of
controls
that
you
might
have.
C
C
A
lot
of
these
things
aren't
gonna
affect
me
and
I
probably
will
never
visit
this
facility,
but
I
still
as
a
commissioner
on
this
on
the
planet.
Zoning
commission.
I
I
feel
that
that
I
have
you
know
some
obligation
to
like
at
least
respond
to
people,
and
I
I
don't
know
if
I
have
to
call
people,
I
don't
have
the
answers.
I
can
tell
you
that
someone
who
has
the
answer
should
be
called
and-
and
I
would
say
a
good
a
doodle
meeting
whatever
that
is
is-
would
be
a
great
idea.
E
A
lot
of
these
people
are
asking,
but
we're
we're
out
there,
and
so
I
think
it
is
beneficial
for
us
to
at
least
go
through
the
steps
and
say:
okay,
this
is
us,
this
isn't
us,
but
who
is
it
just
so
we
can
get
on
the
record,
who
it
is
these
people
should
actually
be
talking
to
or
or
what
the
procedure
is
where
all
the
world
are
seeing
right
now
and
if
we're
the
front
of
it,
then
let's
get
in
front
of
it.
We
can't
do
much
about
this,
but
we
can
tell
them.
E
E
That's
correct,
and
so
that's
the
kind
of
thing
that
that
is
one
of
those
answers
that
you
can
do,
and
some
of
it
is,
as
we
say,
get
the
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
concerns,
including
me
about
traffic
and
say:
okay,
here's
what
we're
going
to
do
about
the
traffic
and
here's,
what
we're
looking
at
and
here's
how
far
we're
looking
at
it
and
here's
the
concerns
and
you're
right.
We
should
be
going
down
each
one
of
these
concerns
and
saying:
look
either
it's
not
valid,
there's
a
few
that
might
not
be
valid.
E
E
C
G
F
R
A
K
Good
evening
again,
and
thank
you
michael
kane,
I
very
much
appreciate
you
stepping
in
and
supporting
us
and
being
our
voice
for
this,
because
I
know
we're
not
able
to
do
this
discussion
type
back
and
forth
that
you're
able
to
do
so.
I
very
much
appreciate
you
doing
that
for
us
and
to
you,
mr
pritchard.
K
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
timestamps
on
emails
work
a
specific
way
and
I
have
those
emails,
and
I
am
absolutely
happy
to
provide
them
to
everybody,
to
show
the
type
of
character
that
we're
dealing
with
with
these
people.
They're
used
car
salesmen
willing
to
do
whatever
they
want
to
get
you
in
their
car
and
that's
what
it
seems
like
I
I
mean
if
you
don't
want
to
answer
our
questions,
be
prepared
to
hear
them
over
and
over
again,
and
the
easy
answer
is
the
easy
answer
for
that
would
be
just
say.
K
B
K
So,
my
final
point
being
or
actually
it's
not
my
final
point-
I've
got
one
more
after
this.
How
can
we
make
a
decision
to
change
the
zoning
for
a
project
where
you
have
not
even
looked
at
all
of
these
possible
things
for
blasting
for
sewer
for
traffic?
How
can
you
change
the
zoning
for
a
pro
project
that
isn't
written
yet?
That
seems
ridiculous.
F
K
Me
and
the
easiest
way
to
prevent
this
from
happening,
even
though
you
say
you're
very
limited
in
it,
is
to
just
not
change
the
zoning
of
the
property
maintain
the
zoning
of
the
property
as
it
is,
and
they
will
not
put
this
behemoth
in
our
town,
the
town
that
we
all
live
in
and
want
to
stay
the
town
we
live
in.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
Okay,
well,
my
comment
was:
was
trying
to
state
that
we
have
to
review
any
changes
to
the
regulation
to
take
these
concerns
into
consideration,
how
they're
they're
handled-
and
I
don't
think
we're
ready
to
say
how
we're
going
to
handle
them.
I
mean
we
may
want
to
have
more
strict
requirements
than
what
would
exist
in
a
regular
development.
O
I
just
want
to
thank
everybody
for
listening
to
us.
This
is
bobby
pfive,
oscar
road.
That
is
one
of
the
other
things
that
I
didn't
bring
up,
and
I'm
glad
that
michael
caine,
you
brought
this
up
jeff.
I
don't
know
how
much
you've
been
in
building
business.
I
used
to
be
the
area
manager
for
the
phone
company
here
and
we
were
very
concerned
when
we
were
core
born
or
if
there
any
kind
of
blast
not
been
affecting
people's
wells
foundations.
O
When
I
built
this
house
in
1986,
there's
a
lot
of
ledge
here
and
if
you
want
to
see
evidence
of
it
to
come
to
my
front
yard,
you'll
see
my
beautiful
pet
rock
in
the
front
that
I
decided
to
stop
at
that
point,
how
I
removed
the
stone
to
build
this
house,
I
used
a
rock
back,
then
it
was
brand
new.
They
were
called.
O
It
was
a
rock
splitter,
because
I
was
advised
by
a
lot
of
folks
that,
if
blasting
in
this
area,
with
all
these
houses
in
the
area
with
wells
and
foundations,
me
being
the
property
owner
and
being
a
small
guy,
you
know
my
own
general
contractor
and
my
parents,
my
own
land
and
stuff.
It
would
be
a
real.
O
You
get
a
lot
of
trouble
if
you
blasted
and
did
damage
to
folks-
and
I
know
even
the
people
behind
me
that
built
over
on
top-
they
didn't
even
blast
over
there
and
at
my
dock
down
in
stonington
and
by
mystic
point
marina,
where
they
built
those
fancy
condos.
Next
to
the
schaefers,
marina
in
mystic,
pointe
marina,
which
is
down
by
masons
island.
O
They've
had
rock
splitters
and
backhoes
and
that
type
of
stuff
working
down
that
area,
because
of
the
fact
that
when
I
talk
to
the
contractors
they
blast
down
there
and
they
do
damage
to
the
surrounding
homes
and
the
wells
and
people's
property,
it's
going
to
be
such
a
liability
that
it's
not
worth
them
doing
that.
My
guess.
O
O
B
P
N
P
P
B
S
Sorry
about
that,
can
anybody
see
me
and
hear
me
all
right
good
if
I
lose
you
for
any
reason,
or
you
can't
hear
me,
and
I
don't
see
you
please
make
a
noise.
Please
do
something
wave
your
hands
do
anything
so
I
can
get
so
you
can
get
my
attention
sometimes,
when
I'm
looking
at
these
screens,
I'm
looking
elsewhere
and
I
miss
everybody,
so
please
do
whatever
you
can
to.
Let
me
know
if
you
have
questions
as
I
present,
so
thank
you
bruce
for
the
introduction.
S
My
name
is
seamus
moran,
I'm
a
professional
engineer
in
connecticut.
I
work
for
lorero
engineering
associates.
Let
me
just
pull
up
my
presentation
here
and
my
plans
and
I'm
here
representing
the
applicant
for
his
project,
we'll
get
at
215
flanders
road
here
in
greyhound
one.
Second,
I
caught
caught
off
guard
slightly
and
I
had
done
all
my
presentation
open.
S
G
S
S
It's
located
on
the
west
side
of
flanders,
road,
as
you
can
see
in
the
location
map
here
most
of
the
site
as
you'll
see
on
the
location
map
is
actually
it's
west
of
the
the
site
limits
which
is
the
developed
area
and
that's
most
of
the
western
half
of
the
site
is
encumbered
by
wetlands.
The
eastern
half
of
the
site
is
developed,
so
I'll
pull
up
that
existing
conditions
plan
now.
S
S
The
development
was
constructed
in
2005.
There
was
an
approval
in
2005
and
then
a
revision
in
2008
for
this
site.
There's
an
existing
two-story
building.
Looking
in
the
southern
half
of
the
the
property
there's
most
of
the
site,
the
developed
site
is
paved.
You
can
see,
there's
2a
entrance
one
one
southern
entrance
and
exit,
and
also
on
the
northern
portion
of
the
site.
There
is
a
two-way
entrance
and
exit
so
there's
pretty
good
circulation
across
the
facility.
S
As
I
mentioned,
there's
an
existing
office,
slash
retail
building,
there's
two
stories:
there
are
former
greenhouse
buildings
that
were
located
in
these
paved
areas
on
the
site
and
there's
a
covered
covered
bins
located
on
the
northern
northwestern
portion
of
the
development.
I'm
sorry
so
northeastern
corner
of
the
site,
northwestern
portions
of
the
site
development.
S
Some
of
that
will
remain
some
of
that
will
be
removed.
What
there's
also
public
water
in
the
street.
You
can
see
this
water
line.
Looking
on
the
eastern
side
of
flanders,
road
there's
also
a
gas
line
located
on
the
western
side
of
flanders.
Road
available
to
us
there's
currently
a
two
inch
domestic
domestic
line
for
the
existing
building,
and
that's
that's
all.
There
is
right
now
there's
also
overhead
power
in
flanders,
road
and
from
there
we
have
underground
power.
You
can
see
this.
S
Lastly,
there
is
some
stormwater:
there
are
stormwater
improvements
already
on
the
site,
as
you'll
see,
there's
actually
in
flanders
road.
There
is
a
catchment
system,
there's
a
couple
catch
basins
that
run
along
flanders,
road
that
actually
discharge
onto
our
site.
There's
an
easement
for
the
town,
discharges
onto
the
town
site
or
I'm
sorry
onto
the
subject.
Site
runs
through
a
storm
sector
and
it
eventually
connects
all
the
way
out
through
our
facility
and
out
to
the
back
where
it
discharges
to
and
rip
our
apron.
S
Similarly,
our
on-site
system
combines
with
that
off-site
system
to
discharge
the
same
location,
and
we
have
one
additional
set
of
catch
basin
and
a
catch
basin
and
a
storm
cepter
located
in
this
location.
Here
that
captures
a
good
chunk
of
the
asphalt
in
the
in
this
area,
treats
it
discharges
to
the
combined
line
and
everything
discharges
out
to
a
riprap
apron
out
on
the
back
side
of
the
development.
S
S
5400
square
foot,
multi
multi-use
building,
so
that's
5400
square
feet
gross
floor
area.
It's
a
4,
600
square
foot
footprint,
there's
a
little
mezzanine
in
here
of
above
the
the
bathroom.
That's
additional
storage
part
of
this
will
be
used
as
a
boat
repair
shop.
The
center
portion
will
be
a
boat
repair
shop.
This
southern
portion
will
be
more
boat
storage
as
well
as
this
larger
section
here.
S
The
other
portion,
this
other
appendage
of
this
building,
will
be
a
little
break
room
for
any
employees,
a
little
kitchenette
and
a
bathroom
we're
proposing
to
eliminate
some
of
the
asphalt
between
these
buildings
to
turn
that
into
gravel.
By
doing
that,
we're
reducing
the
impervious
coverage
on
the
site.
All
of
this.
Some
of
this
area
in
here
will
be
going
from
impervious
to
gravel,
so
we're
creating
more
pervious
surfaces.
S
Again,
utilities
there's
public
water
in
the
street
right
now
we're
showing
on
the
next
sheet
here,
I'm
sorry,
one
more
sheet
we're
showing
utilities
we're
going
to
be
connecting
out
in
the
street
with
a
new
water
line
to
serve
the
the
multi-use
building
the
repair
shop.
Essentially,
right
now
we
have
shown
a
a
four
inch
line
with
a
fire
suppression
line
and
a
domestic
we're,
not
sure
if
that's
required
by
code,
yet
right
now
the
plans
are
the
architectural
plans
are
preliminary
they're,
essentially
for.
F
S
Phase
they
haven't
done
a
full
building
code
review.
So
whether
or
not
the
fire
suppression
line
is
required
or
not
will
be
a
building
code
issue.
If
it
is,
we
already
have
it
shown.
If,
if
a
fire
suppression
system's
not
required,
then
we
will
likely
eliminate
the
the
fire
suppression
system
in
the
building.
S
F
S
Again,
we'll
connect
to
water,
we'll
connect
the
gas
underground
power
will
be
accessed
from
this
pole
likely
ground
utilities
will
there
will
be
some
conversations
we'll
have
to
have
the
utility
companies,
but
we're
thinking
that
underground
power
will
be
accessed
from
this
pole
here
on
the
septic
system
on
site,
the
leaching
will
remain,
as
is,
we
do
have
a
new
septic
tank
proposed
for
the
bathroom.
The
storage
building
will
not
have
plumbing,
will
not
have
a
septic
system
or
will
not
have
anything
we'll
not
have
water
drawn
to
it.
So
it
does.
S
We
do
not
require
connections
to
the
storage
building.
The
septic
tank
will
be
just
north
of
the
repair
building
and
that
this
will
feed
gravity
to
the
existing
leaching
system.
You
can
see
I'll
go
to
the
next
page.
It's
the
this
is
the
septic
plan.
The
septic
tank
is
just
north
of
the
building.
This
is
a
gravity
line
into
the
existing
d-box.
S
S
G
S
S
There's
currently
one
landscape
island
we're
adding
an
additional
landscape
island.
This
is
the
existing
one
here,
I'm
sorry
we're
adding
an
additional
landscape
island
in
this
location.
Here,
there's
one
we're
calling
this
an
interior
landscape
island,
because
it's
interior
of
the
parking
lot
same
here
so
we're
adding
additional
islands,
we're
adding
additional
trees,
we're
adding
additional
perimeter
trees
along
the
parking
lot
as
well.
So
in
total
we
are,
there
were
existing.
S
S
F
S
S
Find
the
page
it's
tough
to
see
on
this
anyway,
we're
proposing
a
construction
entrance
at
each
of
the
sock
outlines.
So
when
they
remove
the
asphalt
there
will
be
a
construction
entrance,
so
they
can
access.
So
there
will
not
be
tracking
any
mud
onto
the
street
and
there
will
be
a
silk
fence
along
the
back
side
of
the
development
here
to
prevent
anything
from
going
beyond
our
top
of
slope
and
obviously
it
slopes
off
pretty
good.
S
S
One
more
item
is
substitutions
and
elimination
requests
based
on.
I
think
you
saw
in
bruce's
report.
We
are
requesting
a
an
elimination
of
section
8.1-6c,
which
is
landscape
buffer
with
I'm
sorry.
It
should
be
a
substitution
of
that
section
to
allow
for
the
23
and
26
feet
of
buffer
landscaping
along
the
frontage
in
lieu
of
the
30
feet.
That
was
consistent
with
the
approved
plan
in
2005
and
2008.
S
The
developer
from
that
plan
added
sidewalks
along
the
eastern
side
of
flanders
road,
so
the
sidewalks
that
were
installed
there
were
consistent
with
the
05
and
08
approved
plan
set,
so
we're
asking
to
eliminate
the
need
for
an
additional
sidewalk,
because
we
already
constructed
one
on
the
east
side,
and
that
is
all
I
have
for
the
for
the
moment.
I
think
I
did
mention
that
we
do
have
d100a
approval
from
the
health
department.
S
We
provide
a
very
thorough
review
staff
review
for
us
so
early
december,
so
we
were
able
to
address
those
comments
and
I
think
we
put
together
a
pretty
nice
plan
here.
So
if
there's
any
questions
I
can
certainly
take
those
and
I
again
I'm
sorry-
I
had
to
move
your
your
screen
off
to
this
off
to
the
side,
so
I
didn't
see
anybody
waving.
So
if
there's
any
questions,
I
can
certainly
take
those
now.
B
L
Sure
then,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
This
is
bruce
lofgren
from
the
office
of
planning
and
development
services.
Mr
moran
did
a
good
job
on
summarizing
everything,
so
I
will
not
repeat
everything
he
has
said
just
just
a
couple
added
things
or
some
clarifications
from
my
report.
So
the
zoning
official
categorized
this
use
as
marine
craft
and
equipment
display
it
is
a
permitted
use
in
the
industrial
im
zoning
district.
L
So
it's
it's
permitted
use
by
wright.
It's
not
tied
to
any
conditions
just
so
everyone
knows
that
outdoor
display
of
boats
are
only
going
to
occur
in
the
it's
not
on
this
page,
but
the
other
page
outdoor
display
will
only
be
in
the
designated
areas
on
this
plan.
Here,
that's
proposal,
the
rest
of
the
site
is
going
to
be.
You
know
functional
to
the
to
the
other
uses.
L
Hazardous
materials
and
boat
repair-
so
I
think
james
mentioned
this,
but
just
to
reiterate
it
if
he
did
the
boat
repair
building
is
the
building
that
is
complying
with
the
hazardous
waste
requirements.
It
has
a
floor
drain
in
there
and
all
the
hazardous
materials
that
are
used
during
boat
repair
are
put
into
a
holding
storage
tank
right
there,
where
sheamus
is
pointing
out,
and
that
is
periodically
pumped
out
whenever
it's
needed.
So
that's
why
there
is
a
suggested
condition
that
all
the
boat,
repair
and
fiberglassing.
I
L
That
mr
sahin
does
occurs
only
in
that
building,
because
that's
the
one
that's
equipped
to
handle
the
hazardous
materials
other
than
that
legilight
health
district
has
a
has
approved
the
the
new
septic
system
or
the
revised
septic
system
for
the
buffer
area
in
the
front
yeah,
as
sheamus
mentioned,
you
know,
some
of
the
evergreen
trees
that
are
required
in
the
2005-2008
plan
were
were
missing.
I
don't
know
if
they
died
or
these
weren't
planted.
L
You
know
over
10
years
ago,
but
that
is
going
to
be
fixed
staff
will
make
sure
there's
a
continuous
evergreen
screen
out
there
for
a
co
would
be
issued,
and
I
did
suggest
a
condition
that
if
any
of
those
trees
die
in
the
future
or
are
removed,
they
should
be
replaced
in
a
timely
manner,
because
it
is
a
condition.
It's
an
industrial
zone.
There
is
a
residential
area
across
the
street.
It's
that
newer
subdivision.
L
I
think
it's
mystic
way
is
the
name
of
it,
so
so
that
the
screen
is
is
required
and
that's
an
important
element
of
the
plan
other
than
that,
like
I
said,
I
think,
sheamus.
Oh,
there
is
one
other
thing
so
this
site
from
from
what
I've
seen
in
the
previous
applications.
There
is
some
evidence
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
fill
that
has
occurred
on
this
site
and
not
a
legal
fill,
but
still
in
that
back
area
along
that
retaining
wall.
L
L
It's
not
going
to
require
a
welding
permit,
because
there's
really
no
alterations
to
the
wetland
side
of
that
limit.
All
the
alterations
are
occurring
on
already
altered
land,
but
we
do
want
a
a
geotechnical
evaluation
of
the
soils
in
these
areas
right
there
to
ensure
that
these
new
buildings
to
ensure
that
the
soils
can
withstand
or
support
these
new
buildings.
You
know
because
it's
right
on
a
retaining
wall,
it
drops
off
quick
there.
L
So
I
did
suggest
a
condition
to
try
to
mitigate
staff's
concerns
on
that,
just
that
the
geotechnical
server
needs
to
be
completed,
reviewed
by
staff
before
this
site
plan
would
be
recorded
in
land
inland
records,
if
it,
if
it's
approved
tonight
and
other
than
that,
I
really
don't
have
anything
else.
Yeah
dad.
B
S
C
S
C
S
S
S
Well,
that's
fine!
So,
as
part
of
the
site
plan
application,
the
application
itself
was
about
110
pages
long.
Most
of
that
I
believe
almost
100,
or
maybe
90
pages
of
that
was
nick,
provided
the
hazardous
materials
that
would
be
on
the
site
and
how
they're
stored
and
what
materials
those
are.
So
if
I
can
I'll
just
pull
up
that
application
and
go
over
some
of
that.
C
T
S
Was
very
transparent
with
everything
so
again,
there's
the
110
pages,
and
in
here
we
have
a
note
for
the
storage
of
hazardous
materials,
I'll
just
go
down
to
there
hustle
cleaning
products
so
obviously
per
the
site
plan
requirements.
We
have
to
have
this
hazardous
materials
narrative
in
here,
so
their
materials
are
stored
in
one
to
five.
Gallon
containers
will
be
in
separate
in
a
separate
storage
room
within
their
parachute.
I.
S
If
there's
any
cleaning
of
boats,
it
will
be
done
inside
nick
I've
asked
him
about
power,
washing
he
doesn't
plan
to
do
any
power
washing.
He
says
the
boats
that
leave
the
marinas
are
power
wash
at
the
marina.
So
any
boats
that
are
coming
to
his
facility
are
clean.
The
only
thing
that
would
be
on
there
would
be
dust,
so
if
the
if
he
does
have
to
rinse
boats,
I
just.
C
Would
like
to
say
that
I'm
I'm
having
a
little
internet
issues
here,
maybe
it's
me
or
maybe
it's
someone
else.
I
don't.
I
apologize
if
I'm
sound
disjointed
here,
but
I'm
okay
with
both
the
sidewalk
agreement.
However,
that
worked
out.
I
was
on
the
commission
in
2008
and
I
was
comfortable
with
it.
Then
I'm
comfortable
with
it
now
and
the
the
geotechnic
study.
I'm
I'm
good
with
that.
B
E
Answer
questions
just
a
couple
things
since
we
don't
have,
we
don't
have
the
complete
plans,
the
building,
so
I
don't
have
a
complete
feel
of
what's
going
on
these
existing
slabs,
you
know
the.
I
don't
even
know
where
the
ridge
line
is
on
the
big
storage
building.
Is
it
side
to
side
or
is
it
front
to
rear?
What
am
I,
what
what's
it
going
to
be.
S
E
S
L
I
think
what
shameless
is
saying:
they're
not
complete
is
because
these
are
just
for
you
know,
they're,
not
full
building
plans
with
all
expects,
but
it
definitely
gives
you
a
good
idea
of
what
the
buildings
will
look
like
height
and
in
the
door
location.
So
it
looks
like
these
are
27
feet
tall
and
sorry,
it's
hard
to
read
that
but
they're
27,
and
that
is
the
boat
storage.
S
E
It's
similar,
then,
I
think,
we're
okay.
I
was
looking
at
the
screening
from
the
street
view
and
you
might
be
okay,
but
trying
to
get
a
grip
on
27
feet.
Looking
over
that
hedge
row,
which
is
fairly
tall
by
this
point
and
you're,
going
to
fill
it
in
with
the
similar
plants,
I
guess
they're
all
a
lot
of
mix
of
pines
and
whatnot
out
there.
R
S
R
Okay,
I
I
was
a
little
concerned
that
it
might
be
a
whole
lot
higher
and
really
stick
out
and
I
was
concerned
also
about
the
landscaping,
the
trees
that
will
you
know
it
is
a
residential
nice
residential
neighborhood
right
across
the
street,
and
I
would
like
to
make
sure
that
the
trees
do
provide
screening
for
the
travelers
along
flanders
and
into
ensen
drive
full
full
disclosure.
My
son
lives
on
instant
drive.
R
H
Yes,
thanks
just
a
couple
questions
on
the
holding
tank
and
how
that
works.
As
you
know,
that
site
is
next
to
some
really
large
wetlands
over
70
acres
and
some
other
hundreds
of
acres
of
open
space,
critical
habitat
and
all
that
good
stuff.
How
does
someone
know
that
it's
time
to
go
and
drain
a
2
000
gallon
holding
tank.
S
Yeah,
of
course,
so
that
will
that
will
likely
be
touch
and
go
to
figure
out
exactly
when
he
will
need
to
pump
it
out.
That
depends
on
what
he's
doing
inside
as
well.
I've
tried
to
tell
him
to
not
rinse
boats
or
anything
in
this
facility,
because
then
he's
it's
going
to
fill
the
tank
up
a
little
bit
more.
S
I
think
I
put
in
the
report
quarterly
or
semi-annually
and
it'll
just
be
he'll,
have
to
monitor
it
the
first
month
or
two
see
how
quickly
that
fills
up
based
on
how
he's
using
it
and
make
sure
that
he
knows
when
it's
maybe
a
half
full.
So
we
can
monitor
it
and
make
sure
that
he
pumps
it
as
necessary,
but
it'll
be
totally
dependent
on
what's
going
on
inside
the
building
and
his
uses.
S
H
S
H
Thanks
one
other
thing
to
on
the
landscaping,
I
know
the
town
we
were
going
to
revise
the
tree
lists
and
other
things,
but
also
given
the
fact
of
where
this
is.
Is
it
possible
to
use
natives
for
the
trees
and
shrubs
and
things
like
that,
because
there's
a
lot
of
nice
choices
that
could
be
good
screens?
I
think.
S
H
H
H
How
do
you
want
to
approach
this
when,
in
fact,
we
don't
have
an
agreed
upon
list
yet
to
tell
someone
an
applicant
coming
in
look?
This
is
what
you
need
to
look
at
and
choose
from
these
various
options
that
are
natives.
We
just
have
the
old
tree
list,
which
has
actually
some
invasive
trees
on
it
amongst
other
and
some
trees.
That
would
take
a
150
years
to
provide
a
screen
adequately
and
things
like
that.
L
H
L
L
H
S
One
point
of
clarification
on
the
front
and
buffer
trees
is
for
every
five
buffer
trees.
There
is
a
frontier
street
tree,
so
we
do
have
the
height
of
the
deciduous
street
trees
mixed
in
with
the
coniferous
trees,
so
the
15
street
trees
are
in
fact
deciduous
and
the
buffer
trees
are
all
the
coniferous
trees.
So
this
is
a
point
of
clarification.
H
S
So
it's
it's
funny
that
boat
repairs
are
not
explicitly
defined
in
the
regulations,
so
it
falls.
This
use
somewhat
falls
under
the
umbrella
of
automobile
miner,
miner
and
major
repairs,
so
he
doesn't
do
he's
not
doing
full
engine
repairs
or
anything
like
that
he's
doing
fiberglass
repairs.
We
we
made
a
note
in
the
application
of
what
his
use,
that
the
repairs
will
happen
in
the
building.
We
don't
know
if
that's
considered
minor
or
major.
S
The
reason
we
had
to
get
more
clarification
from
peter
is
because
his
first
email
to
us
said
you
know
minor
boat
repairs.
Well,
there's
no
definition
for
a
minor
or
a
major
boat
repair.
So
the
clarification
we
got
from
him
was
just
to
say
that
this
use
based
on
what
nick
is
proposing
to
do
in
the
repair
shop
is
an
approved
use
and
he
came
back
and
he
said
that
this
is
an
approved
use
for
what
nick
is
doing
for
repairs
in
the
repair
shop.
F
S
H
H
D
G
S
D
Yep,
that's
great
thanks,
bruce,
and
so
the
next
question
is
just
where
sue
was
going
as
well
as
the
environmental.
As
far
as
fiberglass
and
I've
seen
nick's
work,
he
does
great
work
etc
and,
to
answer
the
question
on
minor
versus
major,
it
depends
who's
paying,
for
it
is
usually
the
answer
which
is
a
little
bit
of
a
joke
guys,
because
all
boat
repairs
are
major,
but
where,
where
how?
How
do
you
with
all
the
fiberglass?
That's
in
that
I
mean?
S
Yeah,
unfortunately,
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that
question.
I
don't
I
didn't
ask
nick
about
the
air
filtration
system
or
quality
of
air
at
the
edges
of
the
shops.
That's
something
I
could
I'll
have
to
get
back
to
the
commission
about
or
bruce
about,
maybe
submit
whatever
his
air
filtration
system
is
at
his
other
facilities,
I'm
not
if
it
was
something
that
was
an
issue
at
as
other
facilities.
S
D
Because
the
other
things
are
typically
within
a
marina,
the
housing
isn't
to
me
as
close
as
this
would
be
etc.
So
the
issue
goes
back
to
bruce
is:
do
we
put
that
as
a
condition
and
that
we'd
love
to
be?
We
need
to
see
what
that
air
filtration
system
is
for
fiberglass,
etc.
In
this
in
this
neighborhood.
L
H
Yeah,
I
guess
I'd
like
to
have
something
like
that
for
the
maintenance,
too,
I
think
with
the
air
quality
just
a
little
more.
On
that
I
mean
the
prevailing
winds.
There
are
going
right
towards
the
residential
too,
so
with
the
smells
and
the
fiberglass
potential
and
stuff
like
that,
be
good
to
make
sure,
there's
not
gonna,
be
anything
going
across
the
road
or
into
the
wetland.
B
B
S
G
S
F
B
L
L
I
B
E
S
So
one
thing
I'll
have
to
look
into
for
the
air
filtration
system,
I'm
sure
there's
a
deep
air
quality
permit
if,
if
it
does
or
does
not
require
an
air
quality
permit,
that
will
either
require
some
sort
of
filtration
system
or
will
not
require
some
some
some
form
of
filtration
system
that
that
hadn't
been
discussed
until
it
was
brought
up
tonight.
So
we'll
have
to
take
a
look.
I
mean
this.
If
nick
was
on,
he
might
he'd
be
able
to
tell
us
what
other
facilities
are
required
to
have.
S
Unfortunately,
he's
not
on.
So
I
don't
know
the
answer,
but
his
other
facilities
are
very
similar
to
this.
If
they
do
have,
if
they
require
an
air
quality,
permit,
I'm
sure
it's.
He
has
an
air
quality
system
that
monitors
it
and
he
has
to
submit
that
and
if
it
doesn't
it's
because
he
doesn't
generate
enough
dust
or
anything
like
that,
that
would
require
the
air
quality
permit.
So
I
should
be
able
to
get
an
answer
from
nick.
This
is
his
business.
E
H
I
think
the
problem
is
too:
you
can
have
various
osha
or
deeps
or
whatever
you
can
get
the
controls.
You
can
get
the
systems,
but
you
have
to
really
make
sure
you're
not
smelling
it
either.
I
mean,
I
think,
especially
what
that's
that's
one
of
our
new
keystone
neighborhoods,
you
know
and
all
that
and
all
of
a
sudden
they're
going
to
have
have
to
smell
this
so
anyway,
I
think
that's
a
huge
concern
just
a
minute.
Hopefully
it's
going
to
be
a
minor
thing
to
confirm,
but
I
think
it's
really
important
for
that.
Neighborhood.
R
I
I
also
wonder
about
you
know
what
about
the
west
mystic
neighborhood
down
near
that
shipyard
and
also
no
ink
shipyard
and
there's
a
lot
of
residential
areas
right
close
to
those
neighborhoods.
I'm
not
aware
of
any
complaints.
Maybe
there
have
been,
but
I
would
think
that
they
would
have
had
the
same
sort
of
situations
problems
with
their
repairs
as
well.
So
I
I
don't
know
that
it's
an
issue.
E
B
E
I
think
so
I
would
actually
throw
in
there
just
to
have
me
going
there's
a
second
part
to
this
air
filtration,
that
if
you've
got
dust
collection,
not
dust
collection,
but
dust
processing.
That
means
there's
a
heck
of
a
fan
system
on
there,
someplace
right,
which
means
there's
an
acoustic
priority
to
this.
E
B
E
E
B
E
P
G
S
C
S
G
B
S
G
S
G
I
B
L
B
H
E
L
C
C
I'm
not
real
comfortable
with
the
idea
of
just
like
random
inspections
on
a
tank.
We
don't
we've
done
these
kinds
of
things
I
think
in
the
past,
but
I
really
don't
remember
ever
doing
anything
where
it's
just
you
know
a
2
000
gallon
tank,
getting
periodically
emptied
with
the
kinds
of
things
that
are
going
to
be
going
into
it.
I'd
kind
of
be
like
to
be
a
little
more
comfortable
with
record
keeping
and
who's
keeping
track
of
the
records
and
and
where
they're
submitted
to
and
just
that
kind
of
stuff.
G
B
G
C
F
S
One
thing
I
want
to
point
out
is
nick
has
has
a
facility
just
like
this.
He
has
gone
through
all
the
permitting
requirements
from
the
state
for
everything
he
needs
for
the
same
facility.
I'm
sure
he's
planning
to
do
the
same
thing
again.
I
wish
he
was
here.
He
could
tell
us
exactly
what
he
does,
how
it's
permitted.
I'm
sure
the
site
will
be
the
exact
same.
I
don't
have
that
answer
right
now,
but
he
obviously
runs
a
good
business
and
does
all
the
right
things.
S
L
L
H
B
S
S
B
S
L
F
T
E
T
T
T
F
T
T
If
you
have
a
house
on
that
roads,
all
the
houses
are
septic.
I
have
a
house
there,
a
septic
tank
when
the
water's
not
going,
and
I
go
call
the
company
they
come
and
pump
it
up
and
as
far
as
the
chemicals
there's,
a
two
thousand
gallon
tank
that
entire
shop
never
going
to
have
more
than
50
60
gallon
total
chemicals.
These
are
bottom
paint
or
some
topside
paint
and
vice
versa.
C
S
T
S
So,
to
clarify
just
to
help
nick
a
little
bit
so
as
long
as
he's
not
renting
boats
or
anything
in
the
repair
shop,
there
is
very
limited
opportunity
for
anything
to
be
collected
in
the
holding
tank.
So
as
he
monitors
it
so
say
he
has
some
chemicals
in
the
repair
shop
that
are
collected
in
there
in
the
floor
drain,
and
he
monitors
that
for
the
first
four
months,
three
months,
four
months,
six
months
to
see
as
it's
filling
in
the
tank
he'll
have
a
good
idea
of.
S
You
know
whether
it's
needs
to
be
quarterly
whether
it
needs
to
be
annually
semi-annually.
We
oversized
the
tank
deliberately
to
it
was
originally
a
thousand
gallon.
We
talked
to
a
contractor.
He
said
when
you
just
make
it
2
000,
it's
the
price
is
minimal,
but
you
know
he
can
pump
it.
You
can
monitor
it
up
to
a
thousand
gallons
and
then
pump
it
out
and
as
long
as
he's
not
using
it's
literally
not
rinsing
a
lot
of
boats
or
usually
not
a
lot
of
water
in
the
repair
shop.
S
That
will
hardly
fill
so
that
that's
kind
of
what
I
meant
by
at
the
beginning,
when
I
was
he
has
to
monitor
it.
I
think
there's
plenty
of
wiggle
room
in
the
tank
capacity
to
allow
for
monitoring
for
the
first
quarter,
or
you
know
four
months
six
months
to
see
how
much
of
the
tank
fills
over
time,
because
it
will
as
long
as.
B
U
U
I'm
sure
gotta
be
some
cover
on
it
manually,
look
at
it
and
you
could
easily
know
what
kind
of
water
you
use
or
what
kind
of
what
you
have.
I
don't
think
any
chemical
gonna
go
in
this
tank.
If
anything,
maybe
drop
down
some
dust
or
something
maybe
gonna
go
some
portion
of
it
by
mistake,
even
if
I
emptied
entire
shop
chemicals,
so
50,
60
gallons,
probably
is
going
to
stay
on
the
half
of
them
on
the
floor.
Maybe
10
gallon
gonna
go
to
the
tank.
B
U
I
mean
this
is
everything
you
guys
talking
about
total
exaggerating.
This
is
a
industrial
lot.
That's
the
reason
we
bought
it.
We
got
the
hermit
from
the
kevin
quinn
of
all
staff,
diane
gleim
bexley,
and
what's
the
other
lady,
everybody
knows
the
whole
story
of
this,
and
there
is
another
shop
on
the
street
doing
an
active
right
now,
bruce
everee's
place,
there's
another
place,
peter
legno's
place
on
the
top
of
the
water
source.
There's
a
huge
buildings.
G
U
You
know
so
both
repair
shop,
I've
been
doing
last
30
years.
I've
been
all
marinas.
I've
been
last
20
years
in
fort
region,
marina.
I
am
at
the
shipyard
right
now.
I
am
occupying
5
500
square
foot.
Building,
you
guys
see
any
investment
you
guys
going
driving
by
every
marina.
Has
marine
repair
boat
repair
shop?
U
U
B
G
U
B
C
E
About
the
air
filtration,
just
so
he
understands
is
that
we
have,
if
it's
in
an
existing
marina,
we
would
have
no
qualms
with.
This.
Is
that
the
permit
process
would
do
for
just
fine,
and
we
understood
that
just
fine,
and
that
is
industrial
used,
and
we
understand
that
the
difference
here
is
that
we're
adding
industrial
use
directly
across
the
street
from
a
an
already
existing
residential
area.
So
it
just
adds
an
extra
problem
that
we
have.
E
E
U
Any
contaminated
say
chemical
standing
when
you're
sanding
the
surface
sanding
the
bottom
gonna
be
inside
the
building
all
spent
floor.
Everything
is
90
percent,
95
percent
collected
dustless
vacuum
systems,
whatever's
lands
on
the
floor,
used
to
be
put
off
and
put
in
the
back,
and
you
separate
the
certain
areas
so
nothing
going
outside.
As
far
as
the
any
dust,
any
contamination.
U
U
D
We
have
nick,
I
mean
the
issue
is
exactly
what
hal
said,
though
this
it's
a
different
situation.
This
is
a
different
building.
This
is
not
an
existing
building
and
we
actually
just
had
these
questions
and
they
don't
seem
to
be
part
of
the
application.
That's
the
reason
we're
asking
the
questions.
That's
our
job.
T
P
D
D
U
U
S
I
think
if
I'm
the
question
is,
I
think
the
holding
tank
is
kind
of
self-explanatory.
It's
you
can
monitor
the
holding
tank.
It's
two
thousand
gallons,
it's
very
large
there's
not
going
to
be
a
lot
of
flow
going
to
the
holding
tank
as
long
as
we
monitor
it
for
the
first
year,
based
on
you
know
quarterly
or
six
months
or
so
it
will
not
fill
up
that
quickly.
I
think
the
question
that
keep
people
keep
coming
back
to
is
the
air
quality.
S
If
it
doesn't
require
an
air
quality
permit
and
it's
you
know
a
one-man
shop,
doing
what
he
does
in
her.
You
know
boat
repair
facility,
I'm
not
sure
what
kind
of
answer
would
suffice
at
a
next
meeting
if
he
doesn't
have
air
quality
at
his
other
facilities,
it's
not
required
by
the
state.
It's
not
required
by
local,
permitting
I'm
not
sure
what
the
commission,
if
nothing's
required
is.
That
is
that
the
answer
that
the
commission's
looking
for
that
we're
not
proposing
anything.
It's
not
required.
S
D
B
D
S
Saying
I
don't
know
that
answer
I'm
saying
by
what
I
know
of
nick's
business
and
he
doesn't
have
one
for
his
other
businesses
that
I'm,
assuming
that
this
one
would
be
the
same
situation.
But
I
guess
what
you're
saying
is
you
want
to
do
the
homework
find
out
go
through
all
the
avenues,
to
make
sure
that
that's
the
case.
B
S
Well,
kevin
your
your
question
was
you
saw
another
similar
application
up
the
street
and
nick's
point
was
that
other
application
didn't
require
it,
and
your
response
was
that
the
na
he
doesn't
have
neighbors
nearby.
Well,
it
doesn't
matter
if
he
does
or
does
not
have
neighbors
nearby
if
you're,
if
it's
required
to
have
an
air
quality
permit,
and
he
doesn't
then
you'd
be
required
similar
to
this
application,
whether
or
not
there's
houses
around.
D
That's
the
sensitivity
that
that
is
the
jeff.
That's
the
sensitivity,
if
there's
nothing
required,
if
it
doesn't
mean
whether
you
have
houses
within
250
feet
or
600
feet
whatever
it
is,
that's
fine!
I
I
just
this
commission
does
not
have
that
information
in
this
meeting
this
evening.
That's
that's
my
only
point.
L
Yeah
we
can
ask
the
applicant
for
a
narrative
to
address
odors
health,
air
filtration,
and
you
know
the
proximity
to
the
residential
areas.
I
was
thinking,
maybe
adding
condition
that
there'd
be
no.
You
know
washing
or
rinsing
within
the
boat
repair.
Building
to
try
to
you
know
alleviate
some
of
that
concerns
about
the
tank
filling
up
quickly,
but
but
we
can
put
that
on
the
draft
motion
or
I
can
put
it
on
for
next
meeting,
and
we
can
look
at
that.
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B
The
brewery
on
west
main
street
in
mystic-
and
I
guess,
based
on
our
discussion
of
all
our
comments,
we've
had
on
mystic
bluffs
or
whatever
they
call
it
that
we
probably
should
have
a
special
meeting
just
to
go
over,
see
how
we
want
to
address
those
comments.
Maybe
it's
time
that
we
really
address
what
our
feelings
are.
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D
Address
the
process,
so,
for
instance,
people
come
with
a
comment:
how
are
we
addressing
that?
Cara
takes
the
notes,
here's
who
takes
a
look
at
that
and
then
we
come
back
and
and
just
show
people
our
process.
So
people
see
see
that
type
of
collaboration
as
a
very
positive
one
that
they
stood
up
multiple
times
in
fact,
and
we
listened
to
them
and
or
we
adapted
what
our
thoughts
were.
I
think
that's
very
important,
but.
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A
We've
actually
had
an
internal
discussion
about
putting
together
a
frequently
asked
questions
sheet,
based
on
the
questions
that
you
are
receiving,
the
ones
that
we're
receiving
the
ones
that
council's
receiving
so
yeah.
We,
we
definitely
do
need
to
do
that.
We
will
poll
the
commission
to
see
what
dates
work
for
a
special
meeting.
We
can.
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Apparently
is
very
different
than
what
they
thought
it
was
gonna
be
the
theater
was
gonna,
not
gonna,
be
there's
no
theater
that
theater
that
we
we
saw
there
will
be
turned
into
offices.
It's
just
for
me.
It's
the
whole.
A
lot
of
things
seem
to
be
in
flux
and
being
made
up
as
we
go
along
and
I
kind
of
feel
like
we're
wandering
into
the
you
know.
I
talked
about
going
into
the
weeds.
It's
like.
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You
know
before
we
go
too
far
along
with
this,
because
it's
there's
been
a
lot
of
different
things
that
I've
been
told-
and
I
kind
of
like
to
have,
especially
like
those
questions
that
I
asked.
I
don't
expect
them
all
to
be
answered,
but
some
of
them,
you
know,
are
sort
of
critical.
The
phasing
part
of
it
to
me
is
a
critical
issue.
Anyway.
Jeff.
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
and
I
would
love
to
attend
the
meeting.
Then.
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C
The
other
thing
is
that
I
think
that
when
I
I
must
must
have
misheard,
but
so
that's
why
I
would
like
to
be
in
a
meeting
where
the
voices
are
recorded
or,
if
my
questions
that
I
asked
or
could
be
responded
to
in
writing
or
formally
in
some
way
not
on
the
phone.
I
really
didn't
that's
the
reason
I
didn't
call
john
back.
I
would
like
those
answered
so
that
the
people
on
boulder
court
can
hear
the
answers
and
that
the
people
you
know
who
are
concerned
or
not
anyone
can
hear
the
answers.
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C
B
B
C
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C
A
C
A
C
C
C
That
was
discussed
in
this
meeting
and
would
probably
be
a
better
location
as
well.
You
know,
yeah,
I
don't
know
you
know
the
pool
has
got
to
be
drastically
changed
because
they
want
the
pool
to
be
a
shallow
and
deep.
So
I
don't
even
know
if
the
pool
works
anymore.
I
think
it's
worth
watching
that
presentation.