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Description
Over the last five years, we’ve seen a swirl of blockchain activity, with peaks of buzz, troughs of disillusionment and, in between, real progress on enterprise adoption. But, by most accounts, we are just starting to see the potential of blockchain for business. So what comes next? In this panel, we’ve gathered leaders from technology, academia and finance to debate what comes next. Topics will include:
- Blockchain’s role in tackling the biggest challenges ahead, including Climate Change, health credentials, financial inclusion, digital identity, fake news and more
- Network trends: public vs private; cross chain transactions; multiparty systems and blockchain’s place in the stack; consortia, standards and governance
- Technologies and start-ups to watch
- Thoughts on what might a fully blockchain-enabled future look like
Brian Behlendorf, Executive Director, Hyperledger
Michael J. Casey, Chief Content Officer, CoinDesk
Sandra Ro, CEO, GBBC
Emiliano Vernini, Head of ICT Innovation Strategy, Poste Italiane
Alissa Worley, Global Marketing Director - Blockchain, Accenture
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Hyperledger – Open Source Blockchain Technologies
Hyperledger is an open source community focused on developing a suite of stable frameworks, tools and libraries for enterprise-grade blockchain deployments.
It serves as a neutral home for various distributed ledger frameworks including Hyperledger Besu, Fabric, Sawtooth, Indy, as well as tools like Hyperledger Avalon, Cactus and libraries like Hyperledger Aries, Ursa. Learn more about Hyperledger projects: https://www.hyperledger.org/use
Case Studies: https://www.hyperledger.org/learn/case-studies
Training & Certification: https://www.hyperledger.org/learn/training
Tutorials: https://www.hyperledger.org/use/tutorials
Webinars: https://www.hyperledger.org/learn/webinars
Events: https://www.hyperledger.org/events
Vendor Directory: https://www.hyperledger.org/use/vendor-directory
Subscribe to the Hyperledger Newsletter: https://www.hyperledger.org/newsletter
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A
But
before
we
get
started
with
that
first,
if
all
of
you
could
throw
into
the
chat
where
you're
calling
from
which
city
which
region,
whatever
you're
comfortable
with
sharing
the
strength
of
hyperledger,
has
always
come
from
its
global
community
and
it's
really
diverse
community
in
terms
of
backgrounds
and
companies
and
organizations
and
the
likes.
So
we'd
love
to
get
a
taste
of
that
here.
Amongst
all
of
you
and
and
and
really
help
us
understand
who
we're
talking
with
so.
A
As
I
mentioned,
this
is
the
last
panel
of
our
five-week
panel
series,
reflecting
on
the
five
years
of
hyperledger.
We've
covered
our
early
history
kind
of
where,
where
the
project
started
and
where
we
came
from
the
role
for
hyperledger
in
transforming
trade
and
trade
finance,
especially
with
a
focus
on
the
asia
pacific
region,
how
we're
playing
a
disruptive
role
in
fields
like
energy
and
healthcare
and
how
we're
impacting
the
future
of
money.
All
of
these
are
available
on
the
hyperledger
website.
A
As
links,
you
can
go
back
and
watch
the
panels,
and-
and
I
hopefully
that
that
is
an
interesting
way
to
start
a
morning
for
some
of
you.
We
also
have
coming
up
on
thursday
a
social
happy
hour
meet
and
greet
with
the
rest
of
the
hyperledger
community.
It's
a
very
casual
relaxed
thing
feel
free
to
join
you'll,
find
a
link
to
that
on
the
hyperledger
website,
we're
also
doing
one
on
friday
morning
in
the
asia
pacific
region
as
well.
A
Just
so
that
timing
works
for
everybody
to
be
able
to
connect
and
get
to
know
each
other.
We
also
still
have
fifth
anniversary
t-shirts
available,
which
I'm
modeling
here
a
little
bit.
I
there's
better
pictures
of
this
online
and
it
is
green
and
it
matches
my
background,
which
is
why
you
can
see
through
my
chest.
Don't
worry
it's
by
design
those
are
available.
They
are
free
shirts
that,
but
you
have
to
pay
for
shipping.
A
Sorry
about
that,
but
the
code
to
access
that
is
hype
five
year
and
we'll
put
that
link
in
the
chat
just
so
that
you
can
see
h
y
p
e
five
y
e,
a
r,
if
I
have
it
right
and
so
now
we're
gonna
have
a
panel
on
looking
ahead
to
the
next
five
years
and
beyond.
What
kind
of
impact
lies
ahead?
What
kind
of
challenges
this
is
you
know?
A
2020
is
a
pivot
point
year
in
so
many
ways
for
so
many
of
us,
and
I
think,
particularly
in
the
blockchain
community,
the
enterprise
side
in
particular.
This
has
been
quite
a
year
and
to
lead
this
panel,
we've
asked
michael
casey
who's.
An
esteemed
journalist
he's
the
chief
content
officer
for
coindesk
and
co-host
of
the
money
reimagined
podcast
to
lead
the
conversation
so
michael.
Take
it
away.
B
Great
thanks
brian
I'm
gonna.
Take
this
as
an
idea.
Next
time
we
do
a
panel
like
a
call
out
to
everybody
to
see
where
you're
coming
from,
because
it's
great
to
see
such
a
variety
of
locations
and
I'm
impressed
by,
I
think
it's
probably
the
indi,
the
folks
in
india
like
sushi
jindal
and
punjab
they're,
probably
at
the
latest.
B
Whatever
time
it
is,
it's
a
great
pleasure
to
be
here,
some
familiar
faces
and
some
new
ones
for
me
work
with
a
bunch
of
these
people
over
the
years-
and
I
tell
you
this
is
going
to
be
a
really
interesting
discussion.
First
of
all,
let
me
introduce
the
panel.
You
think
you
all
know
brian,
so
he
really
doesn't
need
any
introduction,
but
he's
gonna
wave
again
thanks
brian
sandra
rowe,
who's,
the
chief
executive
officer
of
the
global
business
blockchain.
B
Sorry,
I
I'm
a
member
of
the
gbp
actually
we've
got
that
right
sandra,
I'm
sorry,
global
blockchain
business
council
sandra
rowe,
thanks
for
being
here,
we
also
have
alisa
worley,
who
is
the
global
marketing
director
for
blockchain
and
multi-party
systems
at
accenture
and
she's,
also
a
chair
of
the
marketing
committee
for
hyperledger
and
last,
but
definitely
not
least,
emiliano
bernini,
who
is
head
of
ict
innovation
strategy
at
poster
ateliano.
So
thank
you
all
of
you
for
being
here.
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
a
great
discussion.
B
I
just
thought
I
would
just
open
up
a
little
bit
just
to
give
a
bit
of
context
here.
Let's
frame
this
a
bit
in
terms
of
where
we
are,
this
is
a
looking
forward
panel.
So
you
know,
let's,
let's
just
put
up
a
milestone
in
where
we
are
in
this
particular
moment.
You
know
this
is
a
pivotal
year.
I
think
we
don't
need
to
sort
of
weigh
too
heavily.
I
think
on
how
significant
2020
is,
as
you
know,
something
of
a
transformative
moment
for
the
global
economy.
B
Clearly,
you
know
the
big
story
being
covered.
I
think
that's
really
relevant
to
stories
or
to
to
the
the
conversation
around
decentralization,
because
in
many
respects
it
is
a
decentralization
challenge.
The
pandemic
is
something
that
just
refuses
to
abide
by
borders
and
structures
and
organizations,
and
I
think
in
some
of
the
challenges
that
as
a
society,
we've
confronted
really
point
to.
B
How
do
you
organize
around
something
as
as
globally
international,
as
this
with
these,
you
know
somewhat
outdated,
hierarchical
structures
of
organization
that
we
have
around
that,
whether
we're
talking
about
supply
chains
and
the
delivery
of
medical
goods,
or
just
just
simply
how
we
share
information,
public
information
and
private
information
with
regards
to
medical
records.
We've
got
economic
challenges
as
a
result
of
that
you
know.
B
There's
there's
debt
problems
looming,
there's
been
a
massive
amount
of
money
printing
from
central
banks,
which
is
raising
questions
about
the
future
of
what
money
looks
like
the
fourth
industrial
evolution
nonetheless
is
powering
ahead
with
5g
coming
iot
ai.
You
know
some
incredible
developments
in
this
area
and
this
is
all
converging
at
the
same
time
that
we're
seeing
some
real
developments
within
the
blockchain
space
that
are
quite
separate
from
what
we've
seen
before
china,
for
example,
launching
its
new
digital
currency.
B
You
know
this
new
push
towards
central
banks
getting
involved
in
this
space,
and
you
know
integrating
things
like
the
blockchain
services
network
there
into
the
belt
and
road
supply
chain
out
of
that
country,
so
governments,
companies
and
and
decentralized
communities
all
sort
of
coming
together
at
a
moment
of
real
challenge
with
the
global
economy.
So
I
think
that's
kind
of
the
framework
for
this
that
I'd
like
to
set
the
other
thing.
B
I
think,
though,
is
you
know
this
is
about
you
know
a
particular
model
of
blockchain
application,
we're
talking
about
sort
of
what
we've
tended
to
describe
as
the
enterprise
blockchain
applications,
and
you
know
for
the
five
or
six
years
that
this
has
been
five
years.
The
hyperledger
has
been
in
place.
I
think
we've
really
seen
some
sort
of
shifts
in
in
in
this
process
where
you
know
consortium
came
along
and
some
of
them
made
real
progress.
B
Some
of
them,
some
of
them,
didn't
you
know,
and
some
of
that's
revolved
around
like
defining
exactly
what
this
is
and
what
the
opportunities
are.
Alisa.
I'd
like
to
throw
to
you,
because
you
know
from
your
perch
accenture,
you
get
to
see
how
different
organizations
and
companies
deal
with
this
technology
and
you've
talked
a
bit
about
the
mindset
that
needs
to
be
brought
to
bear
here
in
terms
of
the
capacity
to
collaborate
and
work
together
across
organizations.
C
So
thank
you
for
having
me
and
that's
a
great
question.
You
know
I
think
it
would.
It
would
be
we'd,
be
hard-pressed
if
you've
been
involved
in
this
technology
on
any
level
if
you're
involved
in
technology
at
all-
and
you
saw
what
happened
this
year
with
covet
unfolding
and
it
would
be
you'd-
be
hard
to
press
not
to
have
seen
what
could
be
different.
If
we
had
already,
you
know,
made
the
giant
leap
into
cloud,
we
were
all
fully
digital.
C
C
And
when
you
think
then
about
how
that
was
being
transformed
slightly
in
this
current
environment,
we
saw
that
the
leaders
in
that
top
10
percent
were
not
only
continuing
to
invest
in
innovation,
but
they
were,
they
were
actually
looking
to
partner.
So
david
treat,
our
business
lead
in
blockchain
actually
uses
an
african
proverb,
pretty
frequently
that
that
goes.
If
you
want
to
go
fast,
go
alone.
C
So
I
think
it
will
be
a
really
interesting
time,
and
certainly
this
plays
to
our
sweet
spot
as
we
see
more
and
more
individuals
and
individual
organizations
coming
together
to
collaborate,
because
that
is
what
will
build
out
the
resiliency
that
will
build
out
this.
The
data
sharing
model
that
we
need
to
to
solve
problems
quickly
and
efficiently
and
effectively.
B
Great
yeah
I
mean
I
I've
often
sort
of
thought
of
one
way
to
describe.
Blockchain
technology
is
as
a
wii
technology,
not
a
me
technology,
and
I
think
sometimes
there's
this
corporate
challenge
because
everything
gets
fed
up
through
you
know
the
the
p,
l
and
and
the
what's
in
it
for
me
kind
of
question
is
a
is
one
that
can
be
answered
around
the
collaborative
the
payoff
of
that
collaborative
benefits,
but
it
takes.
It
takes
some
capacity
to
think
outside
of
that
silo
mentality
so
sandra.
B
Maybe
you
could
also
weigh
in
because
clearly
the
gbbc
has
been
you
know
talking
to
companies
across
multiple
industries
and
you've
been
evangelizing
for
some
time
around
this.
What
do
you
see
is?
Is
there
a
capacity
emerging
for
companies
to
step
outside
the
box
and
collaborate
as
elisa
was
saying.
D
So
completely
agree,
and
first
of
all
thank
you
hyperledger
for
for
having
me
here
and-
and
I
agree
with
everything
that
alisa
has
said
around
enterprises
that
are
collaborating
are
the
ones
that
are
advancing,
particularly
blockchain,
because
it
is
a
team
sport.
We've
heard
this
again
and
again,
but
what
I
find
really
interesting
here
is
look
at
the
combinations
of
consortia
that
are
coming
together.
A
government
entity
with
a
central
bank
with
a
enterprise
you
would
have
never
thought
would
actually
belong
together.
These
misfit
or
seemingly
misfit
fitting
institutions
working
together.
D
D
If
you
would
go
talk
to
the
u.s
post
office
because
they
need
to
innovate
too,
I
think
these
cross
collaborations
are
just
going
to
happen
more
and
more
and
let's
face
it
between
hyperledger
and
the
gbc
and
other
organizations
like
us
who
are
bringing
lots
of
folks
together
and
and
putting
them
into
a
virtual
room,
not
a
literal
one.
These
days,
but
that's
where
the
magic
happens
and
we're
going
to
see
more
of
that
we
have
to.
B
So
emiliano,
why
don't
you
pick
up
on
this
then?
Because
clearly
you
know
with
with
you
know:
you're
there
at
that
sweet
spot
between
public
institutions
and
private
institutions.
You
know
what
what
sort
of
progress
is
being
made
there
in
terms
of
forming
appropriate
functioning
consortium
and
private
public
partnerships.
E
E
I
think
that
the
last
year
for
the
blockchain,
it
was
a
really
good
year,
because
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
that's
actually
is,
is
going
on.
Even
in
italy,
we
are
trying
to
put
together
the
public
sector
public
agency
with
private
companies.
In
order
to
build,
let
me
say
an
italian
infrastructure
to
to
speed
up
blockchain
blockchain
adoption,
and
the
model
we
are
working
on
is
something
that
it's
collaboration
on
the
on
the
infrastructure
and
competition
on
a
higher
layer
on
the
services
on
application.
E
So
it's
such
a
model
that
is
called
the
competition,
so
collaboration
and
competition
together,
and
I
think
that
it
is
a
really
good
model
because,
as
alissa
said
in
this,
in
this
scenario
in
these
markets,
no
one
will
compete
alone.
Everyone
needs
to
collaborate,
needs
to
change
mindset
to
shift
from
a
silo
approach
to
a
a
network
approach.
B
So
brian,
why
don't
you
talk
us
through?
You
know
how
what
what
hyperledger
and
blockchain
dlt
technology
in
particular
adds
to
all
of
this
right.
So
you
know
you're,
really
interested
in
you
know
you're
working
for
some
time
in
terms
of
open
source
systems.
You
know
open
standards
and
and
open
source
software.
You
know,
and
how
does
blockchain
fit
into
all
of
that
and
what
is
it?
How
does
it
feed
into
where
trends
are
going
going
forward
for
the
next?
You
know
the
next
five
years.
A
Sure,
and
actually,
as
a
fault
to
sanders
comment,
the
us
postal
service
did
file
a
patent
a
few
months
ago
for
the
use
of
blockchain
to
help
secure
voting
by
mail,
which
is
interesting.
It
was
a
little
interesting
recall.
I
would
wrinkle.
I
was
worried.
It
was
like
a
portender
of
like
something
darker
happening,
but
fortunately
you
know
that
all
that
all
happened
smoothly,
but
but
no,
I
you
know,
I've
jumped
into
this
project
a
little
bit
less
than
five
years
ago.
I
started
after
it.
A
A
That
sort
of
thing,
but
really
open
standards
is
what
built
the
internet
to
the
the
the
next
phase
of
that
being
open
source
software,
which
I
I
mean
I'm
old
enough
to
remember
when
it
wasn't
the
presumed
kind
of
way
that
we
would
collaborate
around
common
technologies
when
it
was
seen
as
the
outlier.
The
the
thing
that
those
freaks,
the
the
hobbyists
did
the
communists,
the
people
who
didn't
believe
in
making
money
from
software.
A
Open
source
software
does
not
depend
and
does
not
need
a
red
hat
at
the
center
or
need
even
a
linux
foundation
at
the
center
open
source.
Software
works
because
of
the
licenses
and
the
code
and
and
the
transparency
and
the
development
process.
And
likewise,
that's
what
to
me
made
blockchain
network
such
a
revelatory
kind
of
thing
and
and
so
that
pivot
point
I
mean
open
source
software
took
years
and
years
before
it
was
even
acquired.
A
A
I
think
that
was
kind
of
thrown
for
a
loop
in
2020.
I
think
the
stuff
that
was
in
production
at
the
beginning
of
this
year
did
see.
Growth
did
see
folks
doubling
down.
I
think
there's
a
bit
less
capacity
for
experimentation
and
tolerance,
but
also
a
greater
driver
of
the
need
to
have
to
work
together
to
solve
problems
that
are
bigger
than
any
one
of
us
can
solve
alone.
B
So,
let's
just
get
into
that,
because
I
think
it's
interesting,
you
know
it
really
did
throw
him
for
a
loop.
So
there's
all
this
innovation
being
done,
work
being
done
and
building
out
systems
all
of
a
sudden,
we
had
an
entirely
new
problem
to
solve.
Yet,
as
I
mentioned
at
the
outset,
you
know
this
trade-off
between
the
need
for
public
information
and,
at
the
same
time,
the
need
for
protecting
the
privacy
around.
That
seemed
to
me
to
come
to
bear
and
what
it
did
is
also.
B
It
highlighted,
I
think,
a
richer
conversation
around
the
the
issue
of
identity
and
self
sovereign
identity.
So
maybe
brian
back
to
you
again
to
help
us
sort
of
stage
this
conversation
a
little
bit,
because
how
do
those
things
come
in
together
and
how
is
hyperledger
and
other
blockchain
applications
working
into
the
self-sovereign
identity
solutions
as
it
pertains
to
you
know
some
of
these.
These
you
know
health
information
challenges
that
we're
facing.
A
Well,
pretty
early
on
in
hyperledger's
history,
you
know
when
we
realized
hey,
we
could
be
a
home
for
fabric
and
be
a
home
for
other
types
of
technology
stacks
that
are
appropriate
in
this
space
that
we
were
approached
by
a
community
that
had
been
building
a
technology
focused
on
digital
identity
and
that's
what
became
the
hyper
ledger.
Indie
project,
which
had
since
has
grown
to
a
family
of
projects
all
focused
on
a
radically
different
approach
to
digital
identity
online
generally
called
self-sovereign
identity.
A
Instead,
that
is,
and
now
those
roots
of
trust
can
be
shared
amongst
a
wide
community,
and
you
can
choose
as
an
organization
or
an
individual
which
routes
that
you
actually
do.
Trust,
and
this
is
the
degree
of
flexibility
and
a
degree
of
kind
of
distribution
that
the
digital
identity
community
has
never
had
before,
and
that
is
now
going
to
be
extremely
relevant.
A
When
we
talk
about
the
need
for
certificates
and
credentials
where
you
really
don't
want
a
giant
kind
of
database
in
the
sky
of
who's,
healthy
and
who's,
not
who's
been
certified
or
not,
who's
been
vaccinated
that
has
to
operate
globally.
You
want
to
be
able
to
federate
that
out
to
the
countries
to
the
states
to
regions
you
know
to
and
even
to
the
individual
to
be
in
control
of
their
health
information,
but
still
be
able
to
use
it
to
cross
a
border,
or
you
know,
enter
a
movie
theater
or
restaurant.
A
Perhaps
if
that's
what
or
enroll
your
kids
in
school
as
historically
we've
we've
had
to
do
right
so
so
that
it's
it's
it's
coming
into
play.
There
are
lots
of
organizations
now
asking
the
right
kinds
of
questions
about
how
to
build
these
kinds
of
technologies
from
the
who
and
the
international
icc
chamber
of
commerce.
All
of
these
are
folks
are
and
ayada
who
run
the
airline
kind
of
oversee
the
airline
global
airline
community.
All
of
them
are
asking
the
right
questions.
B
I
mean
we
just
saw
the
the
first
vaccines
now
in
the
united
states
just
yesterday
being
a
business,
and
I
think
that
the
uk
were
a
few
days
ahead
of
it.
I
was
so
struck,
though,
but
when
by
when
the
uk
did
so,
they
were
handing
out
these
little
cards
that
you've
been
vaccinated
and
it
just
it
just
seemed
like
the
easiest
thing
to
forge
in
the
world
that,
like
we
clearly
at
this
time,
folks,
we
need
to
be
thinking
outside
the
box
about
something
that
is
going
to
be.
B
B
So
putting
all
that
in
the
light,
where
do
you
see,
you
know,
supply
chain
management,
I'm
sure
that
accenture
has
sort
of
paid
some
quite
a
lot
of
attention
to
that
at
this
stage,
having
just
gone
through
this
disruptive
year,
are
we
further
along
the
path
of
of
introducing
and
and
making?
You
know
real
prime
time
uses
of
of
this
use
case
or
or
are
we
still
some
time
to
go.
C
I
I
actually
think
that
this
is
when
the
best
innovation
happens
is
in
times
of
crisis
right.
So
we
have
an
absolute
need
for
people
across
the
globe
in
in
entities
from
you
know,
government.
You
know,
ngos,
you
know
people
that
have
the
infrastructure
that
we're
going
to
need
to
leverage
already
in
place
so
agave,
for
example,
with
the
the
initiative
that
they're
doing
with
kovacs.
C
We
need
to
be
able
to
take
the
systems
that
already
exist
and
have
already
worked
really
successfully
and
be
able
to
link
them
in
a
way
that
that
helps
to
accelerate
what
we
need
to
do
need
to
do
quickly
clearly
that
there
there's
an
urgent
need
for
us
to
to
solve
this
issue,
the
probably
the
the
biggest
you
know,
human
impact
story.
Any
of
us
will
see
in
our
lifetimes.
C
So
I
I
think
that
there's
been
a
mi,
a
natural
mindset
shift
because
we've
seen
some
of
the
historic
issues
that
we
that
have
been
prevalent
for
a
long
time
right,
there's
been
a
lot
of
frustration
about
how
these
the
the
siloed
elements
of
a
of
an
end-to-end
supply
chain,
and,
let's
add
the
the
you
know,
the
the
trade
finance
element
on
top
of
it.
There's
there's
been
a
lot
of
complexity,
baked
in
a
lot
of
manual
processes,
a
lot
of
paper,
a
lot
of
duplicative
processes.
C
I
think
I've
heard
something
to
the
effect
of
we
did
an
analysis.
That
said,
there
was
roughly
5000
data
points
that
we
were
collecting
and
that
boiled
down
to
roughly
100
data
points.
So
the
need
to
solve
this
problem
and
and
to
do
it
urgently
to
solve
this
human
impact
problem
is
bringing
together
a
lot
of
key
players
and
certainly
with
accenture
sitting,
bringing
together
their
industry,
expertise
or
technical
expertise.
C
The
relationship
with
all
of
these
entities
from
the
ngos,
you
know
to
government
systems
and
then
obviously
our
work
with
hyperledger,
the
gbbc
and
others
to
solve
this
problem.
So
I
think
we're
going
to
start
to
see
this
shift
to
to
get
a
greater
level
of
transparency
and
traceability
to
make
sure
that
we
are
keeping
counterfeit.
You
know
drugs
out
of
the
this
particular
supply
chain.
C
We
won't
be
seeing
supply
chains
built
just
for
efficiency.
We
will
be
actually
seeing
supply
chains
built
for
resiliency
and,
in
the
same,
in
the
same
vein,
the
fact
that
these
these
vaccines
have
been
approved
doesn't
necessarily
stop
the
data
collection,
that's
necessary
for
the
individuals
that
need
to
keep
learning
right.
So
we're
going
to
see
we're
going
to
need
to
see
how
these
the
longer
term
effects
of
of
getting
an
inoculation.
C
Actually
how?
What
does
that
mean
for
long-term
immunity?
What
does
that
mean
for
somebody
who
has
had
you
know?
Maybe
one,
but
not
both
vaccines
yet
or
how
are
different
vaccines
kind
of
you
know,
playing
up
against
each
other
and
that
impact
so
being
able
to
use
the
the
data
that
we're
collecting
as
something
moves
across
a
supply
chain
and
into
somebody's
arm.
I
think
having
that
that
mass
of
data
in
a
usable
format
is
going
to
be
just
incredibly.
C
You
know
important
for
us
to
to
weather
not
only
this
pandemic,
but
certainly
you
know
be
prepared
for
whatever
comes
down
the
road
going
forward.
That's
I
think
what
we're
going
to
get
out
of
this
particular
environment,
we're
going
to
see
a
resiliency
mindset
and
again
this
mindset
shift
into
what
technology
and
information
can
do
to
help
us
weather
this
unbelievably
unpredictable
world
that
we
live
in.
B
Great
thanks,
alisa
so
sandra
from
york,
again
from
your
perspective
of
these
different
companies,
so
looking
at
supply
chains
just
a
little
bit
deeper
if
we
can,
where
do,
which,
which
industries?
What
sort
of
use
cases
are
you
seeing
at
this
stage,
you
know
the
the
most
you
know
ready-made.
Solutions
coming
to
bed.
D
D
D
There
was
no
visibility
around
real-time
access
to
information
so
that
we
could
react
in
a
crisis
with
data
and
what
lisa
you
know
has
emphasized,
which
is
correct.
We
need
better
real-time
data,
whether
you
are
an
executive
at
a
major
corporation
or
whether
you're
a
government
agency
trying
to
make
decisions
properly
without
that
you're
just
flying
blind
and
let's
face
it,
half
of
our
government
agencies
were
kind
of
acting.
You
know
like
headless
chickens,
they
did
their
best,
but
they
didn't.
D
We
didn't
have
the
data
points
for
them
to
actually
arm
themselves
to
be
able
to
make
decisions
in
a
timely
fashion.
I
think
you
know
was
a
part
of
a
big
part
of
the
issue
and
let's
face
it
when
I
saw
those
potatoes
being
dumped
by
the
potato
farmers
in
idaho,
and
then
you
saw
right
next
to
that
cues
of
people
lining
up
to
for
food
banks.
I'm
sorry
is
this:
the
u.s
we
got
to
do
better.
B
Yeah
yeah,
that
brings
it
into
stock
relief.
That's
right!
So
so
sandra!
You
know
you
mentioned,
you
know,
governments
and
you
know
kind
of
the
the
regulatory
framework
as
well
being
a
factor
here.
You
know
in
a
million
I
thought,
maybe
you
could
you
could
pick
up
on
this
one,
because
one
of
the
barriers
to
you
know
this.
This
more
collaborative
structure
that
elise
and
others
have
been
talking
about
that
for
people
to
participate
in
these
frameworks
is
that
some
of
the
regulations
are
outdated.
B
That
there's
you
know
corporate
requirements,
compliance
requirements
that
hold
them
back,
but
at
the
same
time
there
needs
to
be
some
level
of
framework.
That
is
one
that
crosses
a
across
boundaries
for
one
and
that,
essentially,
I
think,
works
as
an
incentive
if
it's
a
carrot
or
a
stick,
either
way
for
for
companies
to
actually
work
together
in
these
things,
so
what's
happening
in
europe
in
particular.
But
where
do
you
see?
You
know
the
regulatory
framework
developing
for
enterprise
blockchains.
E
E
There
is
also
a
proposal
from
the
european
commission
of
regulation
for
for
digital
asset
for
crypto
asset.
It
is
called
mica
and
and
also
the
the
the
european
commission.
European
community
started
a
project
that
is
named
european
blockchain
partnership
and
is
an
effort
of
over
25
countries
from
from
europe
to
build
together
the
governance,
the
regulation,
but
also
an
infrastructure,
a
common
european
blockchain
infrastructure.
B
Yeah,
the
governance
question
has
been
one
that
I
think
people
are
starting
to
pay
a
lot
of
attention
to
with
regards
to.
You
know
this,
this
otherwise
decentralized
architecture
and
how
it
intersects
with
the
with
the
real
world.
So
you
know
you
talk
about
law,
but
there's
also.
You
know
this
sort
of
other
mid-level
area
of
just
arbitration
that
can
exist
within
these
systems.
Brian.
I
know
you've,
probably
given
a
lot
of
thought
to
this,
because
you
know
yeah.
A
Yeah,
well,
I
definitely
want
to
distinguish
between
government.
You
know
the
the
elected
leaders
in
any
country
or
or
otherwise,
who
you
know
kind
of
define
things
that
are
unavoidable
and
governance
which,
hopefully,
in
most
cases,
can
happen
amongst
the
organizations
and
individuals
who
participate
on
these
kinds
of
networks
right
and
that
kind
of
governance.
I
think
blockchain
technology
gives
us
a
lot
of
new
tools
that
we
didn't
really
have
before
to
manage
ourselves
and
manage
ourselves
in
very
voluntary
ways.
A
I've
used,
for
example,
pre-blockchain
the
kinds
of
self-regulatory
structures
that
we're
familiar
with.
Are
things
like
icann,
which
manages
the
domain
name
system,
which
certainly
benefited
from
having
just
enough
government
touch
to
to
kind
of
bless
it
by
using
it,
but
was,
is
actually
supranational
in
that?
You
know
icann
themselves,
even
if
they
started
as
a
department
of
commerce
kind
of
project
and
spun
out
and
has
become
kind
of
an
international
org
separate
from
any
any
country,
and
that's
a
really
important
thing
to
figure
out
what
are
the
economics
of
how
that
works
and
how?
A
How
do
they?
Actually,
you
know,
use
a
combination
of
carrots
and
sticks
to
accomplish
this
goal
of
a
globally
consistent
domain
name
system
right
and
as
much
as
we
can
do
in
in
kind
of
self-governance,
or
you
know
it
used
to
be
that
industry.
Self-Regulation
was
was
kind
of
a
joke
as
a
term,
but
I
believe,
if
you,
you
know,
set
the
rules
up
right
of
these
blockchain
networks
and
use
smart
contract
code
and
chaincode
and
others
to
kind
of
enforce
those
rules.
You
get
this
automated
compliance
that
I
mean
look.
A
Regulatory
processes,
whether
government
imposed
or
or
self-imposed
are
meaningless.
If
there
isn't
consistency
right,
if
the
presumption
is
that,
if
you
have
enough
money,
you
can
get
away
with
it
right.
I
I
and
and
the
more
that
we
can
build
these
fair
markets,
provably
fair
markets
through
code.
I
think
the
better
the
outcomes
come
for
participants
in
those
markets
and
the
cool
thing
has
been
in
the
last
few
years.
A
I
think
to
see
regulators
recognize
that
and
view
blockchain
technology
not
as
a
threat,
but
as
a
form
of
regtech
that
if
they
can
participate
with
industry
in
the
definition
of
those
rules
and
say,
here's
the
public
interest
that
we're
fighting
for
and
need
to
defend.
Here's
the
existing
regulatory
infrastructure
we'd
like
to
try
to
we're
willing
to
reboot
we're
willing
to
re-evaluate,
but
the
more
we
can
automate
that
and
get
away
from
subjective
processes
to
determine
compliance
and
more
to
objective
or
even
automated
processes.
A
B
B
This
comes
from
mark
haddle,
who
says
you
know
as
blockchain
enable
solutions
mature
how
our
providers
approaching
efforts
to
commercialize
it
and
how
do
you
best
price
delivery
of
a
blockchain
solution
fee
for
service
per
user
per
month?
Subscription
model
I
mean
these.
These
are
just
like
you
know:
rubber
hits
the
road
type
questions
lisa,
you
know.
Can
you
give
us
give
us
your
thoughts
on
best
practices,
advice
on
on
this,
these
kinds
of
things.
C
B
D
D
But
we
do
need
a
couple
different
things,
which
is:
what
are
the
optimal
levels
versus
public
chains
versus
hybrid
versus
private
chains,
and
then
on
top
of
that,
let's
face
it
like
what
are
the
metrics
for
deciding.
If
a
blockchain
is
performing
well
on
certain
you
know
attributes
or
requirements
than
others.
We
need
to
build
all
that
out.
I
don't
think
we're
there
yet.
B
B
How
do
you
build
a
sense
that
you
know
this
is
everybody's,
getting
those
benefits
from
that
well
coming
up
with
metrics
and
standards
to
define
what
the
what
the
both
collective
and
individual
payout
is
from.
This
exercise
would
strike
me
as
a
pretty
important
part
of
that
any
thoughts
on
on
how
we
we
would
achieve
along
the
lines
of
what
sanders
was
talking
about.
B
How
how
do
you
define
what
that
is
right
if
it's,
if
it's
a
collective
payout
with
it,
where
the
supply
chain
is
more
efficient
and
all
of
a
sudden,
you
know
potatoes
are
getting
to
where
they
need
to
go?
You
know
what
does
that
mean
for
different
players
along
the
line?
How
do
they
actually
take
measurement
and
apply
it,
I
suppose,
as
as
a
payout
in
some
form
and
therefore
put
a
value
on
it,
for
each
participant
in
in
the
enterprise
you.
C
Know
I
think
that
that's
it's
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
really
exciting
about
this
technology
and
I'm
going
to
go
into
an
area
that
that
is
one
of
my
passion
projects,
which
is
how
this
technology
creates
almost
like
the
great
equalizer
right.
So
when
you
think
about
what
we
know
about
the
technology
today
and
what
it
can
achieve,
a
lot
of
this
is
actually
expanding
upon
what
already
exists
and
making
it
more
a
shared
success
for
all.
C
So
when
you
think
about
like,
for
example,
with
the
vaccine
distribution,
one
of
the
things
that
it
exposed
and
certainly
that
the
pandemic
in
general
exposed
just
this
incredible
inequality
that
exists
not
only
in
the
us
but
clearly
across
the
globe,
and
one
of
the
problems
that
needs
to
be
solved
is
the
last
mile
distribution
of
the
vaccine
right.
So
how
do
we
actually
get
this
into
communities
in
its
current
state?
So
when
you
look
at
the
pfizer
vaccine-
and
it's
you
know
the
requirement
that
it
maintains,
I
think
it's
minus
81
degrees.
C
I've
seen
various
statistics
on
this.
You
know
how
do
you
actually
get
it
to
in
into
remote
areas,
maintaining
that
particular
that
particular
temperature
and
knowing
that
the
lot
size
is,
is
relatively
large,
et
cetera.
So
there's
there's
there's
a
whole
host
of
complications
that
that
help
us
understand
that
there
there's
just
not
an
equal
playing
field
right
now
across
the
globe
where
everybody
has
the
the
same
access
to
the
same
infrastructure
that
allows
them
to
participate
at
the
same
level
that
we
take
for
granted.
C
So
what
it's
one
of
the
things
that
I
really
do,
love
about
about
the
the
technology
that
we
work
in,
because
right
out
of
the
gate,
even
though
I
I
don't
think
we'll
fully
see
what
the
potential
for
new
opportunities
are.
Until
this
really
starts
to
take
hold,
we
know
things
like
central
bank,
digital
currencies
and
tokenization
will
actually
bring
more
people
that
are
currently
unbanked
into
the
financial
services
infrastructure.
C
We
know
that
people,
you
know
that
that
may,
for
example,
center
brought
up
the
potatoes
being
ground
into
the
ground
when
there
were
people
that
are
food
insecure.
You
know
or
the
fact
that
we
had
a
run
on
toilet
paper
at
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic,
but
we
had
an
oversupply.
So
we
had
commercial
toilet
paper
at
a
shortage,
but
we
had
you
know
we
had
institutional
toilet
paper
that
couldn't
be
redeployed
because
the
supply
chains
couldn't
interact.
C
So
I
think
we're
seeing
the
the
exposure
of
the
need
for
access
to
things
like
broadband
access
to
things
like
these.
These
basic
you
know,
infrastructures
like
I
said
that
we
take
for
granted
that
will
bring
more
people
into
you,
know
the
global
economy,
and
we
will.
We
will
challenge
organizations
then
to
to
pay
attention
to
the
fact
that
if
you
are
a
tier
three
supplier
versus
a
tier
one
supplier
that
you
that
you
all
have
a
voice
in
in
creating
a
sustainable
and
equitable
supply
chain.
C
There's
there's
a
saying
that
that
you
know
we
kind
of
go
by
this
ethos
that
you
know
talent
is
everywhere,
but
opportunity
isn't
so
making
sure
that
we
are
actually
creating
a
dynamic
that
brings
more
people
into
the
mix
creates
opportunity.
I
think
that
that
this
technology
will
help
to
unleash,
and
I'm
really
excited
about,
seeing
that
that
actually
come
to
to
the
be
come
to
the
forum.
B
So
brian
we're
seeing
a
number
of
questions
come
in
about
private
versus
public
blockchains,
and
I
know
this
is
a
topic
that
it's
been.
I
remember
actually
a
debate
you
and
joey
it
had
at
mit.
When
I
was
there
and
it
was,
it
was
just
fun
to
hear
the
way
that
this
this
thing's
played
out.
I
know
you've
got
sort
of
lots
of
opinions
about
how
these
things
actually
can
interoperate.
You
know
how
do
you
see
the
world
now
I
mean
this
has
actually
been
a
year.
B
I
think
where
we've
seen
the
re-emergence
of
public
blockchains
as
an
opportunity,
the
emergence
of
defying
the
advance
of
the
theorem
in
different
capacities
and,
of
course,
bitcoin
having
yet
another
another,
a
bull
run.
Do
these
things
interoperate,
do
they
work
together?
Is
it
out?
Can
we
even?
Is
it
even
worth
making
the
distinction
anymore
between
permissionless
and
commissions
and
so
forth?
What
does
the
world
look
like
of
these
different
environments.
A
Well,
when
we
started
five
years
ago,
there
were
inklings
that
that
you
know
the
the
this
permissioned
model
of
saying:
hey,
who
runs
the
nodes?
Actually
matters
and
having
them
badge
in
in
some
way
to
participate
in
consensus
is
perhaps
a
different
approach
than
proof-of-work
or
or
proof-of-stake.
That
was
a
novel
thing.
It
was
even
though
it
was
building
upon
you
know
in
some
ways,
20
years
of
paxos
and
other
distributed
systems.
A
Thinking
I
needed
a
substantial
modernization
again,
partly
thanks
to
to
satoshi's
paper,
partly
thanks
to
advances
in
smart
contract
work,
and
so
we
really
did
start
out
life.
Saying
hey,
there's
this
whole
region
of
the
landscape
over
here.
That's
not
getting
paid
attention
to
and
deserves
to
be
paid
some
attention
and
and-
and
we
think
that
that
was
really
the
right
strategy.
A
Can
we
just
use
it
for
that
convergence
on
a
single
source
of
truth,
where
we're
amongst
a
set
of
organizations
who
are
willing
to
let
each
other
be
known,
even
if
that
circle
expands
to
tens
of
thousands
of
participants?
You
know
this
is
still
a
different
set
of
assumptions
going
in
than
the
assumptions
going
into
to
building
the
public
blockchains.
But
I
think
everybody
in
that
space
acknowledged
not
just
the
the
the
debt
that
was
owed
to
the
folks
working.
A
You
know
like
satoshi
and
others,
but
also
that
that
that
landscape
was
on
the
public.
Blockchain
side
was
continuing
to
evolve
and,
and
that,
frankly,
you
know
it
was
it's
a
little
bit
different
than
the
you
know:
the
vpn
versus
public
internet
kind
of
debate.
But
but
in
truth
you
know
every
permission,
blockchain,
you
want
the
same
thing
as
liquidity.
You
want
it.
A
I
was
to
china
to
attend
the
second
ethereum
devcon
and
meet
vitalik
and
all
those
and
and
even
sent
a
message
back
in
2016.,
let's
figure
out
how
at
one
point
to
work
together
and
really
paint
this
as
a
spectrum
of
options
and
a
lot
of
different
points
on
that
landscape,
and
that
really
did
come
to
bear
first
with
hyperledger
burrow,
which
is
the
first
ethereum
smart
contract
implementation
that
that
came
in
designed
for
permission
networks.
But
still
you
know,
kind
of
learning.
A
More
about
how
that
community
worked,
and
then
this
past
year
in
2019,
actually
with
hyperledger
bezu
entering
as
a
top-level
project
as
a
pure
to
hyperledger
fabric
and
and
bezu,
is
a
public
ethereum
blockchain
stack.
You
know
it
does
implement
proof
of
work.
It
does
touch
that
electric
third
rail,
but
it
does
so
also
in
a
way
that
allows
it
to
be
used
for
permissioned
ledgers
and
have
that
full
spectrum
of
offering,
and
so
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
key
part
of
convergence
in
this.
A
Even
on
these
blockchain
networks
that
have
just
a
handful
of
participants
on
that,
where
that
degree
of
trustlessness
might
be
threatened,
the
permission
blockchains
will
still
have
an
advantage
from
a
transactions
cost
and
a
regulatory
kind
of
point
of
view
and
we're
not
going
to
see
the
central
bank
digital
currencies
built
on
top
of
permissionless
blockchain
networks,
just
for
all
sorts
of
reasons.
But
but
I
think
the
world
is
bringing
these
these.
These
sides
together
and
hopefully
leading
us
away
from
a
dichotomy
to
something
more
of
a
spectrum.
B
B
You
know,
as
I
mentioned
at
the
outset,
you
know
we
are
there's
a
convergence
between
the
development
of
blockchain
technology
and
the
fourth
industrial
revolution
right,
the
iot's
structures
5g
all
of
this
stuff
coming
together
at
this
moment,
I'm
just
going
to
open
this
up
to
all
of
you.
You
know
how
important
and
what
role
does
a
blockchain
play
in
that
bigger,
broader
economic?
B
You
know
future
because
clearly
we
have
you
know,
data
is
the
is
the
is
the
commodity
if
you
like
the
fuel
of
that
fourth,
industrial
revolution
and
rights
to
that
data
are
in
control
over
that
data
and
the
management
of
that
data
are
going
to
be
critical.
If
we,
if
we
don't
want
just
you
know
the
entire
iot
world
to
be
run
by
say,
amazon
web
services
right,
so
so,
ultimately,
how
does
it
how's
this
all
come
together?
D
D
I
think
it's
a
very
interesting
usage
of
the
fact
that
there's
already
an
iot
device,
now
it's
being
made
more
well,
the
information
is
being
validated
on
an
automated
basis
so
that,
within
their
own
network
of
plants,
which
are
all
over
the
world,
for
example,
they
can
actually
aggregate
that
data
real
time
and
then
analyze
analyze.
That
data
to
the
point
where
they're
predicting
when
parts
run
down
or
they
need
to
actually
order
things
in
advance
so
that
they
can
preempt
things
breaking
down
and
they
have
those
parts
available.
B
And
that
seems
to
speak
a
little
bit
to
what
pamela
was
asking
about
her
question
about,
like
you
know,
what
role
for
human
beings
in
all
this
right
does
is
this:
how
are
we
witnessing
a
process
that
is
going
to
make
you
know
traditional
jobs
less
relevant
and
what
are
the
humans
going
to
be
doing
in
all
this
again?
Anyone
want
to
take
that
one.
C
So
we're
still
going
to
need,
and,
and
certainly
the
philosophy
at
accenture-
is
that
there's
a
there's,
a
powerful
combination
between
the
human
and
the
machine
that
technology
and
innovation
require
both
right.
That
this
is
what
technology
is
really
doing.
Is
on
unleashing
the
innovation
that
that
kind
of
exists
up
here
with
all
of
the
the
faculties
that
you
know
are
kind
of
intangibles
and
how
we
actually
bring
this
to
the
fore.
C
So
I
think
the
idea
that
we
could
actually
program
into
a
smart
contract
every
every
single
variable,
every
single
contingency,
every
single
failure
that
might
take
place
in
the
future
is
is
probably
just
out
of
reach
at
this
point
in
time
and
maybe
forever.
So.
The
fact
that
a
human
needs
to
be
involved,
I
think,
is,
is
pretty
it's
pretty
solid,
we're
we're
going
to
see
shift
and-
and
I
think
you
know
this
is-
this-
has
happened
over
the
course
of
time
with
the
introduction
of
new
efficiencies
or
technologies.
C
You
know
when
you
think
about
how
the
the
this
work
from
home
environment
really
opened
up
people's
eyes
to
what
could
what
you
know
the
fact
that
we
could
work
from
home
and
we
could
maintain
a
semblance
of
business
processes.
You
know
if
we
worked
in
service
industries
and
certainly
accenture
was
already
you
know,
working
virtually
or
working
at
you
know
on
client
locations.
C
So
this
was
this
wasn't
as
disruptive
as
it
might
have
been
to
another
organization,
but
the
notion
that
we
won't
ever
come
together
again
and
collaborate,
I
think,
is
pretty
pretty
far-fetched,
because
if
you
can't,
if,
if
there
is
a
role
that
that
allows
you
to
do
to
solely
be
virtual
and
never
have
to
interact
with
somebody,
then
I
think
that's
when
you're
looking
at
is
this
something
that
can
be
automated?
Is
it
something
that
could
be
outsourced?
C
Is
it
something
that
you
know
we
could
you
know
just
move
to
a
cheaper
location
to
do
the
same
tasks,
so
I
think
we're
going
to
learn
as
we
go,
but
I
think
that
the
notion
that
this
disrupts
this
disrupts
completely
versus
opens
up
new
opportunities.
I
think
is
we're
not
we're
not
at
that
point
in
time.
B
Emiliano,
maybe
the
perspective
of
a
postal
service
would
be
interesting
here,
because
clearly,
the
automation
of
of
of
mail
has
become
something:
that's
that's
critical
and
and
traditionally
it's
an
industry,
that's
had
a
lot
of
human
beings
working
in
it.
Where
do
you
see
the
intersection
of
say?
You
know
iot
and
you
know
blockchain
feeding
into
not
just
your
industry,
but
how
it
touches.
Other
industries
in
particular.
E
Yeah,
what
I
think
is
that
is
that
people
are
still
so
important
in
the
in
in
all
processes,
and
they
they
just
probably
in
the
future,
will
change
their
role
and
their
work
will
be
more
simple
because
they
they
they
will
be
helped
by
by
technology,
but
they
are
still
probably
the
main
component,
at
least
in
my
organization.
I
see
these
things,
people,
let
me
say,
the
engine
that
moved
the
the
organization,
not
the
technology.
E
So
there
are,
there
are
a
lot
of
different
projects
that,
as
sandra
said
before,
collect
information
from
iot
sensor
and
make
the
this
are
available
to
different
stakeholders
that
are
in
some
way
interesting
in
in
data.
So
blockchain
could
be
an
intel.
Let
me
say
like
like
an
integration
layer,
an
integration
layer
and
and
a
sorts
of
transparency
that
that
make
that
enable
a
different
way
to
do
business.
B
B
This
concept
that,
like
you
know,
and-
and
you
mentioned
it
before
lisa
I
when,
when
human
beings
do
come
together
and
collaborate,
that's
kind
of
when
innovation
happens
and
and
yet
I
you
know,
I
feel
like
the
organizational
structures
that
we've
been
built.
That
particularly
you
know,
the
corporate
structures
have
in
some
respects,
worked
against
that,
and
now
we
have
this
blockchain
technology,
which
potentially
gives
us
the
chance
to
do
that.
So
what
does
the
future
of
innovation?
Look
like
within
the
context
of
this
kind
of
cross-organizational
structure?
B
Do
we
you
know
and
and
does
the
capacity
to
collaborate
itself
become?
You
know
the
the
defining
driver
of
what
you
know.
Innovation
means
brian
you've
been
in
the
open
source
world
for
a
long
time
where
innovation
is
always
thought
of.
As
a
kind
of
this,
this
you
know
hive,
mind
idea,
talk
us
through
what
you
see
the
future
of
innovation.
In
this
context,.
A
A
In
b
and
b,
I
want
to
find
the
next
a
centralized
platform
that
everybody
needs
to
go
through
and
and
which
can
charge,
rent
based
on
the
value
received,
rather
than
a
more
utilitarian
kind
of,
what's
the
cost
of
connecting
everybody,
and
that
just
doesn't
work
with
blockchain
networks
right
to
fund
those
to
to
do
the
r
d
to
get
those
to
work.
You
do
have
to
kind
of
ask
companies
to
envision
the
world,
and
this
is
very
much
like
open
source
where
there's
a
set
of
things.
A
You
have
to
do
that
are
table
stakes
for
your
industry
and
a
set
of
things
separate
from
that
that
are
your
actual
unique
source
of
unique
of
of
proprietary
value
right
and
that
ladder
builds
upon
the
former.
But
the
former
needs
investment
and
work,
and
the
more
that
you
can
cooperate
and
and
fan
out
those
costs
and
distribute
those
across
everybody
who
benefits
the
cheaper.
That
is
for
everybody
and
the
more
that
everybody
can
spend
to
get
ahead
and
build
and
go
and
tackle
new
things.
A
That's
a
subtle
message:
that's
the
one
that
requires
conveners.
Like
the
linux
foundation
and
others
sometimes
to
pull
those
conversations
together
and
go,
what
are
the
pieces
that
really
we
don't
have
to
compete
on
right
that
we
can
share
globally
and
and
those
are
delicate
conversations.
But
you
know
20
years
now
into
this
open
source
as
a
commercial
thing
kind
of
direction.
I
think
we've
figured
out
how
to
do
that
repeatedly.
A
Now
we
need
to
figure
out
how
to
do
that
in
regulatory
reporting
in
the
insurance
industry
or
tracing
of
pharmaceuticals
in
the
supply
chain
or
providing
digital
identities
to
in
all
sorts
of
use
cases
and
there's
a
lot
of
minds
to
change
about
how
to
do
that
and
a
lot
of
new
ways.
People
need
to
think
about
how
to
how
investment
turns
into
value
and
those
on
those
fronts,
but
that
that's
happening
and
it's
really
encouraging
to
see.
B
Look,
I
think,
we're
probably
getting
pretty
close
on
running
out
of
time
right
now.
I
I
think
maybe
it's
probably
best
to
to
wrap
it
up.
I
was
going
to
throw
a
quick
last
question
on
that.
If
anyone
wanted
to
have
a
quick
final
word,
maybe
sandra
you
want
to
just
give
us
a
farewell
thought
on
on
this.
This
bigger
idea
of
innovation
and
collaboration.
D
Yeah,
oh
well,
first
of
all,
thank
you.
Innovation
happens
at
every
level.
I'll
give
you
one
quick
example:
wef
and
hyperledger
came
together
to
map
out
the
standards
of
where
we
are
technical,
legal
regulatory,
accenture
supported
us.
We
need
corporates
supporting
financially,
we
need
the
stakeholders
around
the
world.
Working
together,
we
had
academia.
D
We
are
going
to
see
more
of
this.
We
need
more
of
this
at
every
level,
whether
it's
technical,
legal
regulatory
governance
and
2021
it
keeps
going
and
it
actually,
I
think
we
build
back
better
and
for
those
who
don't
or
aren't
sure
how
to
participate,
reach
out
to
one
of
the
organizations
and
just
get
stuck
in
somewhere.
You
can
eventually
evolve
and
you
know
adopt
adapt
to
other
areas
but
get
involved.
This
is
a
global
community
effort
and
look
let's
face
it.
This
cast
alone
is
pretty
awesome.
D
B
On
that
very
positive
note,
we're
going
to
say
goodbye,
thank
you
so
much
everybody,
and
but
for
everybody
for
listening
in
from
all
over
the
world
great
to
have
you
along
for
this
ride.
Thank
you,
emiliano.
Thank
you,
brian!
Thank
you,
santa
thank
you
elisa.
You
know.
Here's
to
5
10
50,
how
many
more
years
of
hyperledger.
So
thanks
for
having
me
involved
in
this
everybody
and
appreciate
the
the
great
conversation.