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Description
Moderated by Marissa Iannarone, Forum Solutions LLC
There is no one ultimate Blockchain, we know it by now. But in this Darwinian explosion of solutions how do we choose the best one? And if the choice leaves a lot to desire - how can we move on? Let's discuss the technical and business considerations that can help towards making the optimal choice. What are the requirements that influence decision making - like identity, anonymity, speed, governance model or the need for decentralization.
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A
Hi
everybody
welcome
to
the
public
versus
permission
ledger.
How
to
choose
panel
really
excited
for
everyone
to
be
here
today.
My
name
is
Marissa
and
aroni
with
forum
solutions
based
in
Seattle
I
am
a
lead
with
the
hyper
ledger.
Healthcare
special
interest
group
and
I
help
co-lead
the
hypervisor
meetup
in
Seattle.
So
that's
where
I
am
coming
from
really
great
to
to
be
here
for
folks
that
are
on
social
media.
Please
use
hashtag,
hyper
ledger
forum
and
hashtag
how
to
choose
for
this
panel.
A
Also
just
a
little
bit
of
structure.
I'm
gonna.
Do
a
brief,
intro
introduce
our
amazing
panelists.
Thank
you
guys
so
much
for
being
here
and
then
we'll
do
a
30-minute
discussion
and
then
we'll
have
Q&A
for
ten
minutes.
At
the
end,
we
do
need
you
to
use
the
microphone
for
the
recording
for
the
Q&A,
so
I
will
be
running
the
mic
to
you.
If
you
can
just
be
patient
and
hold
your
question
until
I
get
to
you,
I'd
really
appreciate
it.
A
A
Certain
people
can
view
the
information
and
only
certain
people
can
write
to
the
ledger
like
hyper,
larger
fabric
and
and
others.
We
know
that
there
are
trade-offs
based
off
of
what
you
choose,
especially
given
your
use
case
in
a
scalability
security
and
decentralization,
and
those
are
just
a
couple
of
things
that
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
today.
A
So
if
I
can
ask
a
couple
more
questions,
is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
currently
has
a
basically
a
problem
space
that
they're
trying
to
solve
in
the
organization
and
trying
to
think
through
what
the
best
blockchain
solution
might
look
like
anybody?
Okay,
and
does
anyone
have
a
proof
of
concept
or
a
production,
blockchain
rolled
out
and
might
be
looking
to
transition
to
another
solution
or
curious
about
that?
Okay,
that's
just
helpful
for
us
to
to
know
as
we
go
through.
So
thank
you.
Okay.
A
So,
with
that
I'd
like
to
introduce
panelists
here,
I'm
going
to
start
here
with
with
Chris
Torres
Fernandez,
who
is
the
director
of
partnerships
at
humanity,
Europe
focusing
on
developing
human
rights
and
corollary
sovereign
law
and
a
decentralized
manner
on
block
chains,
and
then
we
have
Benjamin
DGT.
Who
is
a.
A
Transformation
manager
at
Amazon
and
he
just
changed
jobs
so
I
had
to
make
it
me
making
me
move
things
around,
but
he's
been
working
for
the
last
five
years
of
building
structuring
and
distributing
data
pipelines.
He's
worked
on
multiple
programs
in
Amazon
and
has
been
writing
smart
contracts
since
2016.
He
has
deployed
applications
in
both
public
and
permission
blockchains,
including
the
soo-ji
protocol,
built
on
hyper
ledger
fabric
that
allows
a
standard
for
communicating
collectable
asset
authenticity.
A
Benjamin
has
a
demo
tomorrow
at
1500
to
talk
through
fighting
counterfeits
from
the
ledger,
so
please
join
him
there,
and
then
we
have
Vijay
bomb
didi
Botti
from
here
so
patient
with
me.
Thank
you
from
eBay,
who
is
a
member
of
the
technical
staff
there
and
has
been
working
in
blockchain
technologies,
containers,
containerized,
orchestration
security
and
machine
learning.
He
has
previously
worked
with
other
networking
technology
such
as
Fibre
Channel
over
Ethernet
and
cloud
orchestration
and
integration,
and
then,
finally,
we
have
dr.
A
So
with
that,
I
would
like
to
move
into
our
questions
and
Benjamin.
If
I
may
start
with
you
love
to
hear
your
perspective
on.
How
do
you
validate
the
need
for
blockchain
with
a
problem
space
and
then
once
that
is
validated?
What
are
the
key
parameters
that
you
think
about
when
moving
into
a
blockchain
selection,
public
versus
permissioned?
A
B
Thanks
for
opening
with
me,
so
in
terms
of
validating
the
needs,
it's
a
bit
of
a
tricky
question,
because
it's
still
hard
to
put
like
a
real
entitlement
like
what
is
a
the
need
for
blockchain
solution.
What
is
like,
what
does
it
bring
to
your
existing
network
today?
There
are
indications
that
you
might
need
a
blockchain,
for
instance.
How
much
time
do
you
spend
on
reconciliation
activities
in
a
certain
area
of
your
business,
and
you
can
look
at
all
the
technical
aspects
like?
Do
you
really
need
system
driven
consensus
in
in
your
processes?
B
C
Yeah
I
think
I'm
I'm,
less
technical
background.
I
have
a
less
technical
background,
so
I
approach
this
question
in
a
very
pragmatic
way
when
I
think
it's
it's
blockchain,
really
the
the
solution.
First
of
all,
you
might
want
to
identify
an
inefficiency
in
a
process
and
once
you
can
clearly
point
out
an
inefficiency
in
the
process,
you
need
to
ask
yourself:
can
this
be
solved
without
the
blockchain?
Can
this
be
solved
by
rethinking
redesigning
some
all
technologies?
C
However,
I
think
there
is
a
something
with
the
needs
to
be
note.
It
also
depends
on
the
size
of
your
company
if
you're
a
medium
small
company,
again
wait.
Okay,
because
this
is
going
to
grow.
This
is
going
to
both
in
the
next
few
years
and
if
you
don't
have
a
clearly
a
clear
use
case,
a
clear
use
case
that
is
definitely
gonna
improve
your
processes.
You
might
want
to
wait,
doesn't
mean
the
blockchain
is
not
gonna
help
your
company,
but
probably
it's
not
the
moment
for
you.
C
If
you're
in
a
big
organization,
you
might
want
to
retain
this,
even
if
you're
not
sure
the
blockchain
is
for
you
right
now.
You
need
to
be
leading
in
the
blockchain
space.
Otherwise,
like
you're
not
going
to
be
part
of
the
conversation,
so
you
might
want
to
start
looking
into
blockchain
start
looking
into
design
thinking
and
start
looking
into
how
your
company
can
can
take
advantage
of
the
blockchain.
D
Yeah
I
mean
I
think
the
aim
of
the
panel
is
that
we
are
not
all
on
the
same
page,
so
we
have
different
perspectives
and
I
would
slightly
disagree
with
the
with
the
right
part.
So
I
think
you
know
you
should
be
looking
into
the
technology
and
the
way
to
evaluate
is
I
think
we
should
start
from
the
from
the
business
side,
because
I
hear
some
companies
well,
everyone
is
doing
blockchain.
So
let's
do
something
on
blockchain.
D
The
technology
that
you
might
look
into
one
of
these
is
when
you
have
to
cooperate
with
different
partners
outside
your
company,
and
then
there
are
things
like
you
know:
managing
digital
assets,
digital
identity
supply
chain
and
and
so
on,
where
you
can
easily
find
a
use
case
for
you,
I,
don't
think
the
the
big
medium
and
small
companies
is
really
the
way
to
decide
when
you
should
enter
the
blockchain.
It's
mostly,
you
know:
what
is
what
are
your
appetite?
E
Think
I
agree
with
most
of
what
everyone
else
has
said,
but
I'd
also
like
to
add
from
a
technical
perspective,
I
think
there
are
two
factors
that
one
should
consider.
Then
you
know
trying
to
determine
whether
to
use
blockchain
for
the
business.
The
most
two
basic
ones
would
be
whether
you
want
any
sort
of
immutability
at
all.
Now
there
are
databases
which
actually
offer
immutability
as
well.
So
how
about
that?
What
is
then
important
is
that
you
understand
that
the
blockchain
ecosystem
has
created
in
such
a
way
that
you
can
utilize
distributed,
ledger
technology.
E
You
know
basically
a
very
technology.
That's
very
database
like
in
its
nature,
to
establish
an
amalgamation
of
control
flows
along
the
data
itself.
That
means
that
you
can,
actually
you
know,
delegate
authority.
You
can
share
Authority
over
the
data
over
the
operations
over
the
data,
so
I
think
if
your
business
is
going
to
benefit
by
both
of
these
and
if
your
customers
are
going
to
benefit
or
your
partners
are
going
to
benefit
and
overall
it's
a
good
thing
for
everyone.
Then
I
think
it's
worth
exploring.
Blockchain
usage
for
your
business.
A
B
E
So
I
think
it
really
depends
at
a
business
case
the
use
case
that
the
company
is
trying
to
address.
For
example,
if
you
take
something
like
digital
content
publishing,
which
involves
DRM
data,
you
may
want
part
of
the
data
to
be
on
a
public
blockchain
right.
You
may
want
the
actual
data
to
be
either
on
a
private
blockchain
or
a
permission
blockchain
or
even
on
a
public
blockchain,
but
in
an
encrypted
manner.
E
This
can
happen
with
you,
know,
storage
or
see
a
coin
like
blockchains,
which,
which
are
probably
going
to
play
a
huge
role
in
you
in
the
future.
I'm
not
I'm,
not
endorsing
either
of
them
I'm.
Just
saying
that
that's
an
approach
that
can
actually
become
viable
but
depending
on
the
business
use
case,.
D
Yeah
I
fully
agree
with
this.
It
depends
on
the
on
the
use
case,
so
we
as
a
company
soar
I
mean
so
we
contributed
yoha
to
to
hyper
later
and
we
are
still
the
maintainer.
So
most
of
our
use
cases
are
in
the
own
built
on
euro,
obviously
which
is
permissioned,
but
we
know
today
that
at
some
point
we
want
your
heart
to
also
be
a
public
blockchain.
So
we
are
looking
today
how
to
do
that.
How
to
chain
change
the
blockchain
Iroha
blockchain
to
be
able
to
support
the
public
network
at
some
point.
D
That's
one
thing
that
I
think
it's
important
and
the
second
part
that
I
would
like
to
say
is
also
that
what
we
already
see
today
that
all
the
block
chains
they
will
have
to
be
interoperable,
so
we
will
have
to
bridge
them
at
some
point,
so
we
have
today
bridge
in
one
of
our
projects
bridge
to
Bitcoin
reach
to
it.
Helium
we
are
talking
about
you
know
we
are
discussing
with
polka-dot
will
probably
build
a
bridge
to
polka
dot
and
so
on.
So
what
does
it
mean
to
have
a
bridge?
D
But
I
agree
with
what
was
before
you
have
to
when
you're
doing
the
proof-of-concept,
you
should
probably
consider
which
blockchain
is
better
for
your
use
case
and
what
you
are
trying
to
achieve.
If
you
want
to
be
fully
transparent
for
everyone
that
everyone
can
look
at
at
any
time,
you
know
what
is
going
on
then
probably
public
is
is
a
first
choice.
If
this
is
not
necessary,
then
maybe
you
are
looking
for
something
else,
and
just
the
last
point
that
I
would
like
to
raise.
D
Is
you
have
to
know
why
you
are
going
to
the
public
blockchain,
because
maybe
also
the
question
is
how
many
participant
I
need
in
the
private
blockchain
to
have
the
properties
of
the
public
blockchain
to
some
extent,
not
not
all
the
properties,
but
if
I
have
enough
participants,
maybe
I
can
also
achieve
in
the
private
blockchain.
What
I
wanna
see
in
the
public
space.
C
With
all
my
colleagues,
it
depends
basically
on
the
use
case,
but
I
have
a
void
here,
I
think
when
it
comes
to
private
enterprise.
We
also
need
to
think
about
regulation
and
right
now,
regulation.
It's
a
major
concern,
especially
when
we
look
at
GD,
P,
R
I.
Believe
we'll
talk
more
about
this
later
when
it
comes
to
the
public
blockchain.
So
if
you
are
a
private
enterprise
you
might
want
to
consider.
A
Great,
so
in
talking
through
once,
you
identify
the
problem,
space
and
you're.
Confident
that
blockchain
is
is
the
solution
to
move
forward.
We
know
that
within
organizations
speaking
to
leadership,
about
these
tools
and
bringing
in
something
new
when
a
demonstrable
ROI
is
often
challenging
is
a
hard
conversation
to
have.
So
you
may
get
some
feedback
on.
How
does
somebody
within
an
organization
looking
to
have
those
conversations,
start
those
conversations
with
leadership
and
encourage
them
to
to
really
start
down
the
path
of
a
proof
of
concept
and
getting
buy-in.
A
D
You
wanna,
you
know
calculate
the
return
on
investment
on
that
project,
and
this
is
what
will
convince
the
management
board
and
that
how
you
get
the
sponsorship.
So
the
business
case
should
be
clear,
but
maybe
right
now
it's
not
so
you
want
to
look
for
the
ways
to
to
make
it
more,
not
not
so
foggy
to
the
you
know
foggy
to
the
to
the
company
what
you
need
to
do
and
how
you
need
to
do
this
with
which
blockchain
to
use
you
know
public
or
private
and
and
which
technology
which
platform?
E
Okay,
for
me,
my
perspective
is
more
from
a
bigger
company
or
bigger
enterprise
perspective
and
three
things
actually
matter:
money,
money
and
money.
The
the
reason
I
said
it
rise
is
that
there
are
really
three
classes
of
money
in
the
sense
in
this
context,
the
first
one
would
be.
Can
you
actually
save
money
for
your
customers?
That's
the
first
thing
that
you
can
point
out,
even
when
you're
trying
to
have
the
management
have
a
buy-in
right.
E
The
second
thing
is
that
you
may
not.
You
may
not
actually
reduce
the
cost
for
the
customers,
all
your
partners,
but
can
you
deliver
better
value
right?
It
could
be
through
a
plethora
of
things
for
the
blockchain.
It
could
be
basically
supply,
chain
management,
efficiencies
and
so
on.
The
third
thing
is,
basically,
the
third
class
of
money
would
be
existing
streams
of
revenue.
E
Now
this
is
the
this
is
the
number
one
thing
that
it's
always
on
the
minds
of
another
board
or
the
investors,
and
so
on,
it's
very
important
and
critical
that
then
we
actually
pitch
any
such
idea
to
horn
management's.
We
take
into
account
the
interests
of
the
company
and
also
all
the
actors
involved.
Right
I
think
it's
always
a
challenge
and
that,
but
this
is
something
that
we
need
to
actually
keep
in
mind.
C
I
think
another
key
I
wouldn't
say
concept,
but
and
another
key
approach
is
look
for
cooperation.
I,
think
one
of
the
key
concepts
of
blockchain
is
actually
cooperation,
and
basically
a
senior
management
is
most
more
likely
to
make
decisions
when
they
see
other
companies
moving
into
the
same
space
or
into
the
same
direction
so
find
peers
in
the
same
industry
that
share
a
common
interest
that
could
share
these
potential
use
and
and
bring
them
on
board.
Its
decisions,
like
risks,
are
better
taken
when
they
are
shared
great.
B
B
A
Ok,
so
we're
gonna
get
a
little
bit
more
in
the
weeds
with
Alex.
Next
couple
of
questions
Chris
you
had
mentioned
earlier.
Gdp
are
so
general
data
protection
regulation
in
Europe,
which
is
a
rather
a
hot
topic,
and
so
I
guess
the
question
is:
can
a
blocked
can
a
public
blockchain
be
gdpr
compliant
or
does
it
have
to
be
private
and
I'll
start
with
you?
Chris
thank.
C
You
it
is
my
people
I'm
a
bit
currently
at
this
moment.
You
know
right
that
this
is
my
view.
This
is
my
opinion.
Do
we
have
the
potential
the
technical
potential
to
be
compliant
through
through
sovereign
salsa?
Ssi
hyper
ledger
indie?
Yes,
we
do,
but
at
this
moment
to
be
gdpr
compliant
I,
think
that
when
we
are
looking
into
choosing
a
block
change
solution,
we
need
to
look
into
a
private
chain.
D
Yeah
I
don't
know,
I
will
divert
a
little
bit
I,
don't
know
if
we
have
any
regulators
in
the
room,
but
I
was
recently
in
in
Astana
Kazakhstan
they're,
building
a
financial
hub
there
and
what
they're
doing
is
they?
They
are
providing
a
sandbox
for
companies
like
like
us
to
put
our
solutions
in
the
sandbox
and
then
call
the
regulator
and
and
ask
them.
Is
this
okay
with
you?
This
is
how
it
works.
Please
tell
us
you
know,
and
then
they
can
say
in
this
case
against
the
gdpr.
D
No
guys
there
are
those
those
fundamentals
problems
and
what
are
your
ideas?
How
can
we
solve
that?
So
it's
not
like
you
know
from
the
distance
saying
blockchain
can
never
be
gdpr
compliant
because
it's
immutable,
so
you
cannot
do
it.
No,
you,
you
come
to
the
same
table
and
then
you
discuss
you,
you
explain
you
talk
about
the
technology
because
you
know
the
technology
and
the
regulator
is
saying
well.
This
is
what
we
want
to
achieve
through
the
regulation.
D
This
is
the
aim
now
how
how
do
we
find
the
solution
and
I'm
not
saying
that's
the
only
way.
Now,
being
more
specific
about
the
GDP,
our
problem,
I'm,
also
IT
audit,
also
I,
don't
think
the
problem
is
so
new
I
agree
that
it
might
be
a
difference
in
permission
or
permission,
Alice
networks,
but
just
think
about
the
you
know
the
our
hive,
tapes
of
the
backups
that
you
have
and
now
someone
asked
you
to
delete
this.
How
do
you
do
that?
I
mean
in
reality?
It's
we
know.
We
know
the
problem.
B
Yeah
I
was
going
to
say
so
through
zero
knowledge,
proof
and
there's
a
great
talk,
I
guess
going
on
in
the
other
room.
Thank
you
for
choosing
to
be
here
so
through
zero
knowledge
proof,
you
can
build
application
really
easily
on
private
blockchains,
where
you
maintain
cata
graphic
integrity
of
the
record,
while
choosing
to
lose
the
ability
to
unencrypted
data
on
a
public
blockchain.
B
It's
probably
not
available
out
of
the
box
today,
I,
don't
know
whether
it's
interesting
for
public
blockchains,
two
of
those
so
to
the
question
whether
it
is
possible
I
think
from
a
technical
standpoint.
Yes,
whether
it
is
available
today
is
another
question
whether
you
want
it
is
another
one.
I
think
it
goes
back
to
the
question
of
the
use
case.
So.
E
Now
there
are
a
few
other
things
as
well
with
GD
P
R,
which
make
it
very
interesting
or
attractive
for
the
usage
of
blockchain
in
GDP
are
typically,
the
user
has
to
have
control
over
the
data
that
belongs
to
that
user,
and
there
are
like
mugged
entities
government
entities
through
which
requests
can
actually
be
sent
for
specific
sets
of
that
data
to
be
deleted
or
edited
out
now.
Immutability
is
something
inherent
to
the
blockchain
right,
so
people
may
ask
hey:
how
does
this
fit
with
GDP?
E
Our
the
thing
is,
it
does
it
can
and
with
something
like
Zika
snarks.
You
can
actually
have
even
on
public
block
chains
if
you
effectively
decouple
the
identity
and
the
keys
and
the
data.
If
you
actually
keep
a
separation
between
them,
then
it
should
be
possible
to
implement
gdpr
in
a
very
effective
manner
using
the
blockchain,
the
major
the
major
pain
point,
which
the
major
pain
point
that
can
become
a
reality
in
future
is
that
these
know
these
government
entities
right.
They
have
delays
right.
Obviously,
there
are
human
driven.
C
C
This
is
really
important
when
we
think
about
GD,
P
R
and
is
really
important,
because
I
believe
we
don't
need
the
mentality
does
is
not.
We
need
to
adapt
to
GDP
our
GD
P,
R
and
blockchain
have
the
same
objective,
which
is
basically
switched
shifts
the
power
structure
towards
the
user.
You
know,
so
what
we
are
facing
right
now
is
the
GD
P
R
is
updated.
It's
not
up-to-date
with
our
technology
with
our
technology
with
blockchain
technology.
C
But-
and
this
is
something
I'm
very
passionate
about
I-
don't
think
we
should
take
advantage
of
the
blurry
lines
in
in
GDP
R,
but
we
should
build
upon
GDP
our
you
know
and
like
again,
we
we
talked
about
the
about
different
consensus,
that
that
can
make
sorry
personal
concept
that
can
make
a
GDP
our
Bible,
but
also
like,
if
you,
the
DM,
when
we
look
at
the
most
polemic
or
the
the
most
problematic
part
of
GDP
are,
which
is
the
right
to
be
forgotten.
You
know
there
are
with
even
within
GDP.
C
Are
there
articles
that
say
that
if
certain
circumstances
are
met,
the
right
to
be
forgotten
is
to
be
I
mean
it's
not
to
be
followed.
For
example,
if
you
have
a
legal
claim,
you
know
one
of
the
biggest
potential
uses
of
blockchain
that
is
already
being
implemented
in
the
emerging
and
emerging
economies
is
claiming
lamb
property.
You
know,
especially
for
women,
which
have
a
lot
of
issues
when
it
comes
to
verifying
that
this
lioness
is
theirs
in
in
emerging
economies.
C
Likewise,
for
example,
when
it
comes
to
data
property,
one
could
argue
that
the
if
we
claim
our
data
property
that's
another
topic,
but
if
we
are
allowed
to,
if
we
are,
if
we
decide
to
claim
our
our
data
of
property
and
record
this
claim
in
the
chain,
this
should
be
a
perpetual
and
immutable
record.
You
know-
and
this
is
actually
protected
within
GDP
our.
D
But
if
I
make
a
little
bit,
I
mean
with
Google
we
used
to
say
if
you
are
on
the
second
page,
you
don't
exist
so
and
that's
going
to
the
point
where,
if
it's
difficult
enough
to
get
the
information
which
is
actually
written
somewhere,
you
know
on
the
on
the
hardware,
but
it's
protected
in
a
way
that
it's
not
easy
to
to
get
it.
Well,
then
we
need
to
talk
with
the
regulator,
but
whether
this
is
acceptable
or
not
great.
A
Yeah
time
flies
when
you're
having
fun
so
I'd
love
to
just
go
down
the
row
and
and
hear
from
each
of
you
one
item
that
you're
particularly
interested
in
when
thinking
about
enterprise,
adoption
of
blockchain
and
then
also,
if
you
have
any
presentations
or
panels
from
the
conference
that
you'd
like
to
recommend
and
any
final
thoughts
for
the
audience.
And
if
you
have
specific
twitter
handles
or
emails
for
folks
to
reach
out
to
you.
D
For
us,
it's
very
interesting
looking
into
the
cave,
I
see
what
will
happen
with
with
that
one.
That's
interesting,
you
know,
and
then
we
are
really
looking
into
decentralized
autonomous
economies,
so
we
are
building
something
in
this
sense.
There
are
adults
how
this
will
go
on
and,
of
course,
the
smart
contracts.
I
mean
they're,
really
powerful,
but
but
now
there
are
so
many
open
questions
that
we
don't
know
how
to
you
know
how
to
answer
them.
So
that's
also
really
really
interesting.
Yeah
you
can.
D
E
What
are
the
you
know
how
especially
aciem
and
also
a
bit
of
tokenization
and
how
the
whole
thing
can
actually
seamlessly
much
into
the
crypto
economy,
because
I
for
see
that
that's
going
to
be
a
major
major
bottleneck,
if
not
planned
properly,
but
also
a
major
enabler
of
plan
properly
for
every
Enterprise
out
there.
It's
a
great
opportunity
and
I
think
we've
got
to
focus
on
that.
E
There's
another
thing
that
I'm
very
passionate
about,
and
that
was
that
I
just
spoke
about
that
in
the
talk
before
the
panel,
so
unfortunately
I
can't
recommend
it
anymore,
but
basically
it's
to
build
all
the
tools
or
you
know,
instrumenting
your
blockchain.
You
know
paying
attention
to
security,
monitoring
and
resource
allocation
and
these
kind
of
things
which
will
really
help
in
building.
You
know
the
infrastructure
that
we
need
for
a
very
powerful
crypto
economy
of
the
future.
B
I
think
around
the
builder
to
box,
seeing
like
more
managed
solution,
more
libraries
or
Emma's
already
has
very
strong
and
secure
and
audited
libraries
I'm,
looking
forward
to
playing
with
the
new
the
new
hydrology
library
solution.
On
top
of
that,
there's
also
everything
around
the
analytics,
because
right
now
a
lot
of
people
just
deploy
your
blockchain,
but
once
it's
deployed,
then
how
do
you
understand
what's
going
on
so
yeah?
All
those
are
going
to
make
sure
lots
in
the
upcoming
month.
First,
two
years
and
I
look
forward
to.
C
So
myself
I'm
very
passionate
about
data
property.
We've
heard
a
lot
about
data
privacy
data
self-determination,
but
who
owns
the
data?
That's
a
key
question
and
I.
Think
it's
a
key
question
too.
For
those
who
want
to
like
for
the
organization
for
the
institutions
like
the
European
Union,
who
really
want
to
shift
the
power
structure.
I
mean
really
hopefully
and
yeah
so
data
property
within
GDP
are,
is
my
main
focus
ooh.
You
can
reach
me
to
talk
about
that.
C
B
E
Yeah
I
think
that's
where
it's
headed
and
probably
around
I
would
estimate
that
in
five
years
from
now,
you'd
see
the
first
set
of
tools
completely
being
used,
and
probably
in
eight
to
ten
years
from
now,
it'll
be
like
no,
no
one
will
even
know
that
the
blockchain
is
powering
all
this
it'll
be
so
seamlessly
integrated
into
absolutely
everything.
The
only
challenge
that
I
see
is
how
we'll
integrate
into
the
economy.
D
Would
just
like
to
add
to
the
Fiat
because
we
are
in
the
financial,
we
are
building
application
for
the
for
the
financial
industry.
We
see
a
lot
of
interest
with
central
banks,
so
what
they
are
trying
to
do
is
they
try
to
issue
their
digital?
You
know
reflection
of
the
fiat
currency
and
that
might
to
some
extent
solve
that
problem.
Yeah.
H
A
question
probably
mostly
for
BJ
and
Benjamin,
as
you
mentioned
earlier,
it's
opening
a
new
space
for
solving
problem
that
cannot
be
solved
before,
especially
for
safety
and
security
and
rules
of
origin.
Those
type
of
questions
is
eBay
or
Amazon
doing
anything
in
this
space,
and
is
there
any
collaboration
with
the
government
yeah.
B
I
Hi,
so
my
question
is
regarding
when
you're
talking
about
implementing
blockchain
solutions
in
a
organization,
especially
in
a
big
corporate,
do
you
think
there's
any
changes
needed
to
restructure
the
governance
and
also
for
one
joining
a
consortium
like
hyper
ledger
for
companies,
especially
they're
competing
against
each
other?
All
the
sudden
they're
collaborating
together
working
together.
How
is
it
how
they
working
together
towards
a
collaborative
objective?
How
still
goes
aligned.
E
There's
a
recent
example
of
Musk
I,
don't
know
if
everyone's
following
it,
but
it
built
a
permission
blockchain
and
it
invited
all
its
competition
to
join
in
as
partners
that
didn't
go
too
well
for
the
partners,
but
that's
just
case
and
study
I.
Think
what's
critical,
for
you
know,
for
enterprises,
especially
instead
recognize
that
going
forward
the
crypto
economy
will
take
off
whether
they
like
it
or
not,
whether
they're
ready
for
it
or
not.
So
they
should
be
ready
for
it.
E
E
You
know
if
there
can
be
more
than
two,
but
you
know,
I
didn't
find
these
flows
in
the
beginning
itself
and
then
having
a
very
clear
set
of
goals
will
help
build.
You
know
it
will
help
both
in
building
better
solutions
as
well.
As
you
know,
equitable
and
fair
solutions
in
the
sense,
if
there's
one
partner,
that
is
contributing
a
lot
more
right
and
as
driving
a
lot
more,
then
it's
it's
actually
important
for
them
to
ensure
to
be
smart
enough
to
derive
more
as
well.
We've
seen
this
in
the
corporate
world
a
lot.
E
You
know
one
of
one
of
my
ex
companies
Sun
Microsystems
right
as
an
example.
I,
just
remember
it
brilliant
company
did
a
lot
of
beautiful
technologies
came
out
of
it,
however,
wasn't
able
to
derive
a
lot
of
financial
gain
from
it?
That's
kind
of
dicey-
maybe
maybe
not,
but
that's
just
an
example-
I
think
it's
it's
really
driven
by
commerce
right,
so
the
governance
should
kind
of
be
careful
not
to
careful,
but
they
should.
They
should
be
careful
enough
to
protect
the
interests
of
their
investors
as
well
as
their.
You
know.