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Panel: Driving Open Collaboration through Joint Solutioning - Nancy Min, ecoLong; Shawn Wilborne, Lid Vizion, LLC; Alicia Noel, Cultivati; Marc Liberati, United Nations
Distributed ledger technologies (DLT) holds significant potential to deliver benefits for humanitarian aid, development, and civil society institutions in general. This panel discussion will go over ways to use the open and collaborative nature of DLT to unlock social good. We will explore burgeoning use cases, barriers to innovation, and sustainment issues of the social good economy. The purpose of this discussion is to spur innovation, tackle never before addressed issues, and serve as a launching pad for future innovation.
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A
Hello,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
driving
open
collaboration
through
joint
solution
panel
discussion
for
the
hyperledger
global
forum.
My
name
is
nancy
mann,
I'm
the
founder
of
echelon
and
the
chair
of
the
hyperledger
social
impact,
special
interest
group,
and
I
will
be
the
moderator
of
the
session.
A
As
you
all
are
aware,
distributed
ledger
technology
holds
significant
potential
to
deliver
benefits
for
humanitarian
aid,
development
and
civil
society
institutions
in
general.
We're
really
excited
to
have
you
join
us,
as
our
panel
will
go
over
ways
that
we
will
use
the
open
and
collaborative
nature
of
dlts
to
unlock
social
good.
We
will
explore
some
different
various
use
cases,
barriers
to
innovation
and
sustainment
issues
of
the
social
good
economy.
A
The
purpose
of
this
discussion
is
to
really
spur
innovation,
tackle
never
before
addressed
issues
and
serve
as
a
launching
pad
for
future
innovation.
As
part
of
this
session,
we'll
cover
three
main
sections.
The
first
one
will
cover
industry
trends.
The
second
one
we'll
discuss
is
governance
frameworks
and
also
end
on
open
questions.
So
if
you
have
any
questions
that
you
would
like
for
the
panelists
to
answer,
please
drop
them
in
the
q.
A
chat
box
so
that
should
be
available
for
everyone.
B
A
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
nancy
and
good
morning
and
good
afternoon
good
evening
to
those
wherever
you
may
be.
My
name
is
mark
librati.
I
work
for
united
nations
volunteers
program.
A
former
young
volunteer
myself,
I'm
currently
the
policy
pillar
team
lead
and
also
had
been
participating
in
our
ai
blockchain
big
data
working
group
for
our
digital
transformation
project.
A
C
D
Hello,
everyone,
my
name,
is
sean
wilborn.
I
am
the
co-founder
of
lid
vision.
Our
focus
is
really
in
the
waste
and
recycling
space,
and
you
know
we
really.
We
originally
started
off
with
developing
some
technology
computer
vision,
and
now
we
really
we
we're
incorporating
some
technology
as
well,
so
look
forward
to
discussing
some
trash
with
anyone
if
you're
interested,
I'm
also
in
on
the
miami
climate
alliance
on
their
steering
committee
as
well.
D
So
typically
I'm
out
of
miami
right
now,
I'm
currently
at
my
my
grandparents
house,
also
I'm
in
idaho
tuning
in
from
the
west
coast,
and
then
you
know
other
than
that.
You
know
I've
been
involved
with
the
social
impact
group
for
a
little
over
a
year
now
we're
we've
been
working
on
some
blogs
in
the
circular
economy,
space
so
we'll
dive
into
that
in
a
little
bit.
But
when
it
comes
to
waste
and
recycling,
you
know
that's
really,
that's
really
my
jam.
A
Hey
sean,
so
we
have
with
us
a
panelist
that
really
cover
kind
of
the
full
breadth
of
social
impact
and
social
good.
So
it's
very
exciting,
just
to
kind
of
start
off
a
little
bit
of
the
conversation
around
these
various
industries
trends.
So
you
know
I
kind
of
wanted
to
propose
an
open
question.
So
what
are
some
of
the
industry
trends
and
thinking
about
ag
circular
economy
and
some
of
the
stuff
you
guys
are
working
on?
You
know
cbdc
or
united
nations
like
that
are
really
driving
blockchain
technology.
Adoption
in
your
respective.
C
Fields
in
agriculture,
I'd
say
the
use
that
I'm
seeing
blockchain
being
used
for
the
most
is
around
traceability,
track
and
trace
initiatives
that
allow
different
stakeholders
to
know
where
food
is
coming
from
who
the
different
players
were
involved.
Some
of
these
make
that
information
transparent
to
consumers
as
well.
Some
are
really
so.
C
Where
there's
not
always
that
record
we're
also
seeing
companies
organizations
like
fair
food
out
of
the
netherlands
that
are
working
with
the
trying
to
make
sure
that
all
of
the
producers
pay
a
fair
wage
are
being
paid
not
that
they
can
live
on
with
dignity.
So
a
lot
of
different
examples
in
deciding
to
watch
come.
B
Forward
yeah,
I
was
just
also
going
to
add,
I
mean,
and
I
was
thinking
when
I
first
started.
I
was
actually
about
five
years
ago,
asked
to
sort
of
join
this
informal.
It's
called
the
u.n
blockchain
group
and
it
was
done
through
the
unops,
the
office
of
project
services,
and
they
were
looking
really
at
a
very
practical
problem
which
is
moving
cash.
Around
I
mean
they
have.
B
You
know
it's
a
very
hard
scrabble
place
as
often
and
it's
very
expensive
to
move
cash,
often
even
just
for
for
salaries
or
for
for
volunteers,
it'd
be
living
allowances
for
humanitarian
assistance
and
it
requires
you
know
it's
a
huge
logistical
operation,
and
they
were
excited
about
that.
I
think,
as
that,
then,
that
that
involved
interview
having
discussion
with
many
different
actors
at
the
time,
and
I
think
it
really
opened
up
the
eyes
to
the
potential
of
this
mean,
which
was
much
bigger
than
just
payment
services.
B
So
there
is
a
huge
I
mean,
there's
a
proliferation
of
blockchain
solutions
that
are
that
are
cropping
up
around
different
u.n
use
cases.
A
well-known
one
is
world
food
programs
building
blocks,
which
is
also
looking
at
this
sort
of
a
payment
payment
solution.
There's
a
un
digital
id,
which
is
actually
then
trying
to
have
an
internal
id
system.
B
There's
the
consortium
between
various
u.n
entities-
it's
currently
between
world
food
program,
undp
and
unicef,
but
you
can
imagine
a
more
decent
that
leading
to
sort
of
a
more
centralized
omnidination
system.
The
un
postal
administration
actually
is,
is
issuing
an
nft
stamp,
a
crypto
stamp
and
also
now
they're.
I
think
unicef
is
also
accepting
crypto
to
their
affiliated
offices.
So
there's
I
mean
and
and
then
that's
that's
just
the
internal
there's,
also
external,
where
they're.
Actually,
you
know,
for
example,
undp,
is
building
through
all
finance
lab
solutions
for
those
program.
B
Countries
such
as,
I
think,
a
recent
one
I
saw
was
called
cedar
coin,
where
they're
using
it
for
traceability
of
replanting
trees.
That,
then,
can
be
a
gps
location
provided,
and
so
the
donor
knows
that
that
and
it's
actually
attracting
the
diaspora,
lebanese
diaspora
population.
But
it
could
be
open
to
anyone
and
that's
looking
to
sort
of
harness
financing
for
the
sdgs
while
giving
that
a
shorty
to
the
to
the
donors
that
they're
there's
no
double
counting
of
the
trees,
for
example.
B
D
Yeah
and
you
know
from
from
my
perspective,
it's
really
focused
on
the
the
circular
economy.
Again,
you
know
looking
at
raw
materials
looking
at
products,
so
on
the
on
the
front
side
of
the
supply
chain,
there
you're
you're,
really
tracking
those
materials
as
they're,
moving
from
manufacturer
to
distribution
to
retail
and
then
at
the
point
of
consumer.
So
you
know
at
that
that
product
that
you
pick
from
online,
you
know
what
is
it
source
you
know.
Are
those
vendors
vetted?
D
So
after
you
put
that
material
into
your
recycling
bin
or
you
drop
it
off
somewhere
at
a
local
recycling
center
or
or
someone
comes
by
to
collect
it,
you
know
what
happens
to
it
and
that's
where
we
see
a
lot
more
we're
seeing
some
up
and
coming
innovation
in
that
space
to
say,
hey.
You
know
I
deposited
x
bottle
here.
D
You
know
what
does
that
bottle
turn
into,
and
can
we
verify
that
on
the
back
end
to
say:
hey,
no,
it
didn't
go
to
the
landfill,
it
actually
did
end
up
in
the
recycling
center
or,
alternatively,
it
went
to
the
recycling
center,
but
it
ultimately
ended
up
as
xyz
product
right
on
the
back
end.
So
that's
that
that's
looking
at
the
reverse
logistics
aspect-
and
you
know
there
are
a
few.
There
are
a
few
companies
in
the
space
that
are
doing
food.
D
You
know
compost
as
well
as
bottle
tracking
and
then
we're
also
seeing
some
impact
from
a
company
called
loop
and
not
necessarily
focused
on
blockchain,
but
they
are,
you
know,
looking
at
reusability
right.
So
when
you
have
that
reusability
aspect,
then
blockchain
comes
in
to
say:
hey,
yes,
this
person
did
recycle
or
did
have
this
refillable
bottle.
It
was
empty.
D
It
was
put
into
to
the
van
or
collection
vehicle
at
this
time
and
then
it
actually,
you
know,
doesn't
necessarily
get
recycled,
but
it
gets
refilled
right
at
a
local
place
and
then
brought
back
to
the
person.
So,
looking
at
the
carbon
footprint
of
that
right
and
and
having
some
calculations
around
it,
you
know
we
see
blockchain
having
that
value
from
a
transparency
perspective,
but
you
know
more.
More
importantly,
I
think,
when
we're
talking
about
reverse
logistics,
I
think
that
one
of
the
biggest
aspects
is
the
carbon
footprint
right.
D
D
What
we're
realizing
is
that,
yes,
you
know
we
need
a
lot
of
investment
in
infrastructure,
but
you
know
how
are
we
going
to
use
innovative
technologies
to
create
additional
efficiencies
that
weren't
available
in
the
past
right,
and
so
we
have
these
stagnant
systems
that
are
currently
in
place,
but
we
see
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
for
growth
and
also,
for
you
know,
deploying
innovative
technologies
to
create
that
transparency
right
and
that's
one
one
key
element
that
blockchain
brings
right.
I
put
I
put
something
in
the
can
not
sure
what
happens
to
it.
D
Well
now
we
can
actually
pinpoint
where
it
ends
up
and
we
can
feed
that
information
back
to
the
that
back
to
the
end
user,
who
is
actually
recycling
that
material?
So
you
know
you
know,
that's
just
that's
just
high
level.
You
know
a
couple
quick
examples,
but
look
forward
to
diving
a
little
deeper
as
we
move
forward.
A
Thank
you
all
so
much.
You
know,
and
I
noticed
a
couple
of
words
that
I
just
wanted
to
capture
for
the
the
audience
were,
you
know,
really
trust
and
transparency.
As
being
you
know,
some
key
factors
and
deciding
what
use
cases
blockchain
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
and
I
think
mark
one
thing
that
you
said
that
really
caught
my
attention
was
we're
just
scratching
the
surface
right,
there's
just
so
much
potential.
I
think
with
all
of
these
different
use
cases
in
different
ways.
A
So
this
kind
of
leads
me
to
my
next
question
right,
so
there's
so
many
opportunities
in
which
blockchain
can
really
be
that
cutting-edge
technology
and
bringing
innovation
and
also
bringing
more
efficiency
into
different
processes.
So
what
are
some
of
the
hurdles
that
you
guys
have
seen?
You
know,
as
folks
are
developing
out
these
use
cases.
A
What
are
the
hurdles
in
developing
these
different
types
of
public
private
partnerships
and
I'm
also
kind
of
curious
on
the
other
end.
You
know
not
only
are
what
what
the
hurdles
are,
but
what
are
some
of
the
steps
that
you
or
you
know,
folks
that
you've
noticed
in
this
industry
have
taken
to
overcome
some
of
these
hurdles.
B
Yeah,
I
was
just
going
to
say
I
mean
on
on
the
I
mean.
First
of
all,
just
I
mean
also
on
circular
counters,
we're
talking
about
like
open
collaboration,
I
mean
I,
you
are
always
looking
at
other
other
inspirations
that
you
can
take
take
away
from
and
hope
you
can
sort
of
replicate
on
that
which
also
does
sort
of
lower
the
lower
the
barriers,
and
it
is
sort
of
lowering
the
hurdles.
Because
often
one
of
the
hurdles
is
people,
don't
are
they?
B
They
see
it
as
a
very
nascent
technology
and
they
feel
that
it's
then
not
fully
ready
for
deployment
or
there
will
be
extreme
costs
or
that
the
the
complexity
will
outweigh
the
the
benefits
and
so,
of
course,
like
anything.
The
the
early
adapters
are
obviously
then
making
that
lowering
that
barrier
for
everyone,
and
so
I
think
I
mean
even
personally
one
of
the
things
that
I
I
really
take.
B
Inspiration
from
was
this
chinese
use
case,
which
was
a
volunteer
platform
and
it
had
millions
of
users
and
then
they
were
using.
They
were
taking
the
hours
of
the
volunteers
and
tokenizing
that
to
provide
both.
You
know
a
certification
of
the
hours
that
provided
but
through,
and
they
also
had
another
very
nice
tech
stack
on
the
verification
process,
but
then
they
were
able
to
convert
that
into
an
asset.
That
was
very,
it
drove
the
incentives
for
the
for
the
volunteers,
and
this
was
a
bit.
B
What
also
did
inspire
for
the
for
the
white
paper,
so
I
think
I
mean
it's
it's.
I
think
we're
coming
up
sort
of
the
innovation,
the
going
from
the
early
adopters
and
I
think
it's
becoming
a
bit
more
a
bit
more
mainstream,
and
I
think
that
has
ultimately
both
the
lessons
learned
from
those
who
were
the
early
adopters,
as
well
as
the
sort
of
the
paths
that
they've
blazed
have
really
opened
up.
B
That
might
take
a
more
skeptical
view
for
for
various
good
reasons,
but
I
think
those
barriers,
luckily
are
are
falling
and
falling
quickly
as
the
technology
both
develops,
but
also
use
cases
are
moving
more
towards
scale
and
then
I
think
there's
a
healthy
competition
and
sort
of
a
desire
to
also
participate
meaningfully,
and
so
that's
sort
of
what
I
wanted
to
share.
On
that
point.
D
The
hurdles
that
we
see
you
know,
I
think,
marketing
right
now.
The
first
thing
you
want
to
mention,
but
any
type
of
project
is
cost
right.
How
much
is
going
to
cost
us?
What's
the
maintenance?
What's
the
support
going
to
be
like
going
ongoing,
and
especially
when
you're
talking
about
a
new
technology
that
you
know,
people
are
already
hesitant
to
adopt?
You
know
it's.
It
can
be
difficult
to
sort
of
drive
some
of
the
some
of
the
some
of
the
cost
benefits
around
it
right.
D
Just
from
like,
like
nancy,
said,
just
from
transfer
from
a
transparency
perspective.
You
know
how
are
we,
how
are
we
quantifying
the
value
of
that
to
an
entity
when
they
might
not
be
necessarily
concerned
with
it
right
so
being
able
to
really
storytell
around?
You
know
some
of
the
some
of
the
social
impact
value
that's
brought
to
the
table,
but
as
well
as
the
the
cost
savings
is
very
important,
and
you
know
there's
a
blog
that
we
recently
put
out
in
one
example.
D
In
there
cripsy
was
doing
a
recycling
project
where
they
were
basically
tracking
some
of
the
plastic
waste
that
was
going
into
the
ocean
and
once
it
gets
gets
collected
they
say:
okay,
it
was
actually
picked
up
from
this
point
right,
this
river
or
whatever
it
may
be,
and
they
can
they
can
they
can.
They
can
then
quantify
that
and
then
take
it
back
to
a
brand
and
say:
hey
look,
you
know
now
you
can
use
this
recycled
material
and
you
can
pinpoint
the
place
where
you
made
the
impact
right.
D
D
Becomes
you
know,
how
do
you
clear
your
hearts
on
some
of
the
hurdles
with
the
public
private
partnership
in
in
developing
those
aspects,
because
when
we
look
at
the
the
brands
and
then
we
look
at
the
government
and
we
look
at
the
consumer
and
you
see
the
different
moving
parts
and
then
you
also
have
the
manufacturer
in
play.
When
you
have
these
different
entities,
they
all
have
their
own
agendas
right
and
so
being
able
to
match
the
benefits
to
each
of
them.
To
move
your
project
forward
it
can.
D
It
can
be
kind
of
a
challenge,
but
the
the
main
focus
is
you
know
what
is
driving
the?
What
is
your
ultimate
goal
with
the
project
right
and
how
are
you
going
to
move
it
forward
because
it
may
just
be
a
pilot
project
and
then
you've
done
all
this
development
and
then
it
goes
and
sits
on
the
shelf,
for
you
know
three
to
five
years
because
it
doesn't
doesn't
get
any
funding
or
you
know
you,
the
the
story
behind
it
and
the
benefits
behind
it.
Weren't
well
explained.
D
C
Thank
you
sean.
I
I
completely
agree
with
everything
pieces
all
these
moving
parts
and
the
different
organizations
do
have
different
priorities.
They
they
sometimes
don't
align.
It
often
takes
a
lot
of
not
just
collaboration
but
negotiation
in
terms
of
the
food
and
ag
space
in
different
parts,
and
I'm
not
just
speaking
about
country
as
a
developing
world.
I
am
including
g20
nation.
C
A
lot
of
tracing
is
still
done
by
paper.
A
couple
of
my
I
had
a
meeting
with
the
ceo
and
cto
of
a
european
country
for
a
global
grocery
chain
and
discussing
track
and
trace
and
they're
still
doing
it
and
with
they
don't
feel
the
need
internally
to
move
over
to
digitization
other
countries.
Things
are
much
more
digitized,
so
it's
important
to
know
what
is
the
on-the-ground
environment
that
you're
going
into?
Certainly
in
the
us,
with
the
fda,
promoting
their
new
era
of
smarter
food
safety
which
frankie
anna
spoke
about
during
the
keynote
on
tuesday.
C
B
No,
I
was
just
I
mean
alicia
and
sean
both
just
sparked
a
thought
about
sort
of
having
that
regulatory
co-creation
or
at
least
really
trying
to
work.
I
think
closely.
I
see
this
often
in
the
working
group
on
on
digital
currency,
where
there
are
some
regulatory
actors
and
you're,
and
you
do
then
have
it's
sort
of
breaking
those
silos,
often
and
and
looking
for
those
forums-
and
this
is
a
I
mean
ito
is
a
nice
example
because
it's
a
it
has
a
broad
stakeholder
base.
B
B
The
legal
offices,
I
think,
at
least
in
my
own
organization-
it
was
that
was
one
of
the
questions
I
raised,
which
was
thinking
around.
How
did
they
structure
that
and
does
that
now
open
something
up
that
wasn't
seen
as
open
up
before
because
they
were
taking
more?
You
know
out
of
an
abundance
of
caution,
so
I
think
you
know
I
think,
working
closely
with
with
those
state
actors,
but
also
looking
for
the
innovation
points
in
those
in
those
state
actors.
B
A
Absolutely
love
that
internal
motivation,
I
think
that's
the
tagline
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
use
throughout
the
discussion,
but
this
is
actually
a
perfect
transition
into
the
next
question.
You
know
starting
the
conversation
around
governance
frameworks
and
how
we
can
really
enable
these
open
collaborations
across
various
stakeholders.
Right
sean
mentioned.
You
know
the
different
manufacturers,
you
know
the
suppliers
and
all
these
distributors
and
all
these
different
participants
within
various
networks.
C
From
my
perspective,
and
here
I'm
putting
on
a
hat
to
work
inside
of
government
on
technology
and
would
be
writing
rfps
for
different
type
of
information
management
systems,
it
was
critically
important
that
we
speak
with
a
lot
of
different
stakeholders,
not
only
the
agencies
and
the
users
and
also
the
the
different
community
groups.
Everything
like
that
and
I
see
the
same
thing
when
it
comes
to
developing
especially
cross-border,
track
and
trace
systems,
whether
it
be
mainly
for
from
a
reducing
food
fraud,
perspective
or
more
of
a
environmental
impact
or
social
impact.
Labor
issues.
C
It's
really
important
to
speak
with
the
different
players,
understand
what
what
not
only
their
constraints
but
what
their
concerns
are,
because,
if
you,
if
you
understand
where
they're
coming
from,
why
there
might
be
why
they
might
be
concerned
about
having
their
real
name
used
on
something.
If
you
understand
that
there
are
very
real
public
safety
or
physical
safety
issues
and
play
it's
going
to
then
enable
you
to
design
something
that
will
work
for
them
and
that
they're
going
to
be
much
more
confident
around
and
when
they
observe
that
you
are
taking
their
concerns
seriously.
C
A
Alicia,
just
to
kind
of
a
follow-on
question
about
that
right.
Thinking
about
the
ag
space,
especially
when
you're
looking
at
supply
chains
that
you're
dealing
with
multiple
farmers
potentially
right
as
a
potential
way
of
using
it.
How
do
you
manage
sometimes
like
the
conflicting
interest
between
or
the
competition,
so
to
speak?
You
know
how?
How
can
you
get
all
of
them
on
board
in
a
system
like
this
to
really
be
cooperating
with
each
other?
A
C
Really
good
question
and
the
this
comes
down
to
whom
and
is
it
really
competition
or
competition
where
there
or
collaboration
competition?
A
lot
of
these
traceability
initiatives?
The
information
is
not
available
to
the
public.
So
then
you've
got
a
manufacturer
who
isn't
worried
that
somebody
is
going
to
come
in
and
take
their
suppliers
or
or
bid
higher
to
their
suppliers.
C
Different
different
initiatives
take
very
different
perspectives
on
it,
depending
on
the
environment,
they're
working
and
just
a
couple
of
years
ago,
when
walmart
rolled
out
their
spinach
and
selling
salad
green
initiative,
they
made
it
mandatory
at
first
that
all
of
the
direct
suppliers
participate
and
then
a
couple
months
later,
anyone
going
going
anyone
supplying
one
of
their
suppliers
would
be
participating.
So
so
it
was
a
tiered
adaptation,
but
it's
mandatory,
and
sometimes
that's
what
it
is.
B
Yeah,
I
I
wanted
to
jump
in.
I
was
just
thinking
more,
I
mean
exactly,
I
mean
I
think
alicia's
touched
upon
these,
these
misalignments
that
can
occur
and
then
really
thinking
about
how
you're
trying
to
then
bring
I'm
currently
reading
eleanor
ostrom's
governing
the
commons
and
first
female
economist
to
win
the
nobel
peace
prize
and
well
the
no,
not
sorry
nobel
prize
for
economics,
and
she
has
these
eight
principles,
and
it
is
all
about
sort
of
bringing
a
commons
together
for
community
pooled
resources.
B
But
it
holds
a
lot
of
insight
when
thinking
around
designing
consortium
networks
and
and
trying
to
align
those
individual
incentives
or
sort
of
domain
incentives
with
with
the
consortium
incentives
and
that
is
sort
of
like
how
you're
really
then-
and
she
has
the
and
the
aprons
was,
quite
frankly
on
you
know,
establishing
clear
boundaries
and
having
a
stake,
adapting
that
for
the
local
circumstance.
I
think
alicia
just
was
touching
on
that
very
well,
like
the
participatory
decision
making
and
having
them
all
those
participants
have
that
decision,
making.
B
There's
of
course
different
different
approaches
that
one
can
take
clear,
monitoring
and
evaluation.
I
think
here
blockchain
actually
does
an
excellent
job
at
offering
a
nice
way
in
thinking
around
monitoring
evaluation
trails
in
real
time,
graduated
sanctions
for
those
that
are
breaking
the
rules
or
or
and
then
also
having
a
clear
and
universal
conflict
resolution
mechanism.
First
for
dealing
with
those
issues
as
they
may
arise,
and
not
also
being
shy
about
about
conflict.
Not
all
conflict
is
necessary.
B
It
needs
to
be
seen
as
sort
of
litigious,
but
also
can
often
be
mediated.
And
then,
of
course,
there
needs
to
be
sort
of
an
acceptance
by
the
outside
actors
as
to
what
is
happening
inside
there
has
to
be
some
sort
of
sovereignty
provided
to
those
consortium.
That's
of
course,
more
legal
question,
often,
and
then
I
think
again
when
alicia
was
talking
about
those
that
nested
tiered
approach
and
then
looking
at
and
I
and
in
this
book.
One
of
the
examples
that
I
love.
B
I
think
this
also
touches
upon
nancy
or
question
at
the
beginning
on
how
you
can
sort
of
sort
of
leverage
within
something
within
something
bigger
and
make
that
more
efficient
sort
of
lowering
lowering
the
cost
and
the
barriers.
So
I
think
that
that
is
sort
of
I
mean
one
of
the
inspirations
that
I've
taken
away
from
this
book
recommend
it
because
it's
it's
super
insightful
and
it
definitely
made
me
think
a
bit
on
sort
of
the
design
aspects.
D
When
we're
discussing
transparency
right
and
when
we're
discussing
who
is
in
who
has
authority
in
certain
actions,
you
know
sometimes
what
we
run
into
is
when
you
uncover
something
it
can
create
more
issues.
So
sometimes
people
like
to
leave
it
covered
right
like
so
so
you
have
to
be
you
have
to.
We
have
to
be
careful
in
sometimes
how
we
present
certain
things,
because
we
could
say
yeah.
D
It
seems
like
a
great
solution
and
but
once
we
put
xyz
entity
in
charge,
then
you
know
all
all
you
know
stuff's
going
to
hit
the
fan.
So
we
don't
want
to
do
that
right.
So
so,
basically,
you
know,
I
know
it's
sort
of
a
kind
of
a
an
aside
or
a
tangent,
but
the
real
point
is
we're
going
to
have
to
dabble
with
different
authority
mechanisms.
As
we
move
forward
right
is
the
is
the
government
in
charge?
Is
there
some
private
entity
in
charge?
What's
the
anonymity
on
the
that's
going
to
be
required?
D
What
are
the
privacy
concerns
that
are
going
to
be
put
forth
right
and
then,
ultimately,
if
a
breach
happens,
you
know
what
what
are?
What
are?
What
are
some
of
the
responses
that
that
are
gonna
that
you
know?
What's
the
what's
the
response
plan
right
in
in
a
lot
of
times,
when
you
talk
about
governments
involved
with
something
consumers
run
the
other
way
they're
like.
Oh,
you
know
government's
in
charge
of
this.
We
don't
we
don't
want
it
and
it
could
be.
D
It
could
be
hugely
immensely
beneficial
to
them,
but
just
when
you
say
the
word
government
and
they're
like
oh,
you
know
they
just
turn
their
ears
off
right.
So
so
we
have
to.
We
have
to
figure
out
what
are
what
are
these
balances
that
we're
going
to
have
to
implement,
and
how
can
we
use
technology
to
to
to
not
only
balance
out
these
different
authoritative
mechanisms,
but
also,
how
can
we
make
sure
that
we're
still
telling
the
story
about
what
it?
D
What
are
the
benefits
that
are
going
to
be
derived
from
having
xyz
entity
in
charge?
Or
why
do
we
need
the
government
here
to
support
this
project
right?
So
so
I
think
it's
it's
really.
It
really
goes
back
to
that
whole
storytelling
aspect
and
making
sure
that
people
aren't
scared
of
a
technology.
Just
because
there
it
has
a
third,
you
know
it's
an
open
network
or
something
network,
so
we
don't
want
to
join
that
or
whatever
it
may
be.
C
One
thing
I
come
back
to
time
and
time
again
is
that
blockchain
kind
of
like
html,
often
it's
being
used,
but
you
they're,
using
it
agri-digital
out
of
australia.
One
of
the
founders
gives
an
example
about
how
they
were
working
and
I
want
to
say,
papa
new
guinea
that
might
not
be
correct
with
farmers
and
they
gave
them
the
handset
with
the
app
pre-loaded
and
taught
them
how
to
use
it.
B
No,
I
was
gonna
say
I
could
I
just
couldn't
I
couldn't
agree
more,
I
mean.
Obviously
I
think
that
is
when
you
know,
when
you're
fir
at
the
initial
trying
to
explain.
We
were
talking
about
the
unicef
was
building
this
bounty's
network
and
there
was
a
there's
a
token,
and
then
it
even
explained
to
colleagues
that
you
have
to
get
this
metamask.
You
know
it
was
just
too
much
complexity.
No
one
saw
the
benefit,
and
now
you
know
you
can
have
these.
B
You
can
have
nested
wallets
and
even
in
this
u.n
digital
id
it
was
made
originally,
for
there
was
a
another
version
of
it.
It
uses
hyperledger
technology
underneath
it
for
the
id
solution,
but
that's
not
what's
relevant.
I
mean
it
was
really
for
pensioners
just
to
just
to
validate
their
identity,
and
it
was
built
with
pensioners
in
mind
that
it
was
with
the
absolute
simplicity
as
the
goal
without
without
really
putting
the
technology
in
a
much
more
muted
space.
A
A
In
most
cases
when
you're
starting
off,
you
don't
necessarily
have
that
unlimited
resource,
so
to
speak
right
and
so
things
and
issues
such
as
like
being
able
to
maintain
as
well
as
secure
those
network,
might
not
be
something.
That's
on
the
you
know
the
number
one
priority
when
you
try
to
pilot
something
out.
So
how
can
we
use
you
know?
Are
there
various
standards?
Are
there
various
guidelines
that
you
would
you
know,
recommend?
A
How
can
we
use
what
is
currently
out
there
for
folks
to
use
to
keep
an
authority
in
check
that
doesn't
compromise
the
integrity
of
the
of
the
blockchain?
You
know
dlt
when
you're,
when
you're
kind
of,
like
you
know,
giving
out
the
ability
for
someone
else
to
manage
your
network
for
you
as
you're
developing
some
of
these
things
out.
B
Well,
I
was
just
going
to
open
with
this.
I
mean
I
it's
a
it's
a
very
tough
question
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
potential
avenues.
One
can
go,
but
the
one
that
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
I
thought
was
very
interesting
and-
and
I
think,
might
be
disruptive
in
its
own
way
and
disruption
often
come
from
the
public
sector,
or
at
least
it's
incentive
to,
but
and
when
well
structured.
It
can
and
there's
this
the
european
blockchain
services
infrastructure.
B
Creating
this
you
know
sort
of
a
public,
a
public
infrastructure
there.
You
might
then
see
better.
You
know
from
from
a
competition
perspective
right
like
not
having
just
the
big
incumbents,
but
for
much
smaller
players
to
jump
in
to
a
to
sort
of
a
greater
commons.
So
if
the
commons
can
be
sort
of
taken
on
by
I
mean
a
public
or
a
public
private
sort
of
consortium,
that
then
allows
for
other
things
to
flourish
within
that
that
a
bit
was
the
idea
of
the
atrium
inside
the
u.n
system.
To
have
this.
D
Yeah
I
I
could,
I
could
jump,
I
guess,
as
far
as
let's
say
getting
started
right.
You
know
if,
if,
if,
if
let's
say
you
know
some
someone's
fresh
they're,
just
you
know
googling
around
doing
some
research,
I
want
to
get
on
the
whether
the
development
side
or
just
want
to
do
some
sales
for
someone.
That's
a
blockchain
company
already
out
there.
I
think
one
of
the
one
of
the
first
aspects
is
to
figure
out.
D
You
know,
and
this
goes
to
any
any
sort
of
job
that
might
be
out
there
right.
What
are
some
areas
that
you're
passionate
about?
You
know
what
what
are?
What
are
some
spaces
that
you
can?
You
can
carve
out
whether
it's
from
your
own
history
and
background
from
your
own
interests,
your
own
hobbies
in
in
garden?
Right?
Because
you
don't
want
you,
don't
you
don't
want
to
get
into
projects
where
it's
a
it's
a
direct
for
you
to
to
be
there
right?
D
D
A
Oh,
I
think
we
lost
sean
for
a
second.
So
while
we
wait
for
for
sean
to
join
us,
what
sean
was
saying
is
actually
perfect.
Segue
into
kind
of
the
open
questions
that
that
we
had
one
in
particular
just
to
kind
of
you
know,
continue
that
the
conversation
it
was.
You
know
how
can
I
get
started
on
contributing
to
different
existing
or
you
know,
new
blockchain
projects,
especially
focusing
on
the
developing
advising
funding
aspects
of
that
mark.
A
I
actually
want
to
kind
of
feed
that
question
over
to
you,
in
particular,
because
of
the
unicoin
projects
that
you
guys
are
also
starting
off
on
this.
Could
you
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
that
project,
and
then
you
know
ways
and
also
kind
of
lend
some
insight
in
ways.
You
know
you've
been
an
active
participant
in
the
hyperlight
or
social
impact
sig
for
quite
a
while
would
love
to
kind
of
get
your
perspective
on
this.
For
for
the
audience.
B
Yeah,
no
thanks.
I
mean,
of
course,
that
you
know
the
answer
I
gave
was.
It
was
very
high
level
and
sort
of
policy
oriented,
but
I
mean
at
the
individual
level
I
mean
in
the
unicoins
project.
For
example,
I
mean
it
is.
It
is
very
decentralized.
We
have
no
funds,
it's
a
voluntary
group
inside
the
u.n
system
through
young
u.n
and
and
we
didn't,
we
really
had
to
scrabble.
I
mean
also,
I
mean
just
also
in
how
I
sort
of
developed
myself
into
this
area.
B
So
I
try
to
intend
to
look
at
the
ones
that
are
that
are
very,
very
inclusive,
while
at
the
same
time
having
those
community
standards
very
similar
to
austria's
principles,
as
as
hyperledger,
for
example,
has
its
it's
a
code
of
conduct
and
and
other
rules
that
it
expects
for
for
community
participation,
which
is
which
is
key
to
make
to
make
those
commons
viable
for
the
community.
But
yeah
on
the
unicoins.
It
is
sort
of.
B
You
know
in
in
the
young
u.n
network,
for
example,
we
have,
as
I
said,
it's
managed
by
volunteers,
and
I
work
for
a
volunteer
program,
so
obviously
you're
interested
in
how
you
incentivize
and
bring
people
on
to
a
community,
especially
around
the
care
work
aspects
that
is
sort
of
just
the
work
right.
It's
there's
not
the
glamour,
there's
not!
You
don't
get
to
put
that
on
your
linkedin.
B
I
think
that
would
be
a
brilliant
use
case,
because
there's
a
lot
of
care
work
also
that
takes
place
in
maintaining
that
that
community,
but
also
then
in
the
young
un
network,
which
also,
as
I
said,
requires
a
lot
of
care
work.
But
then
we
also
have
very
substantive
tracks,
which
are,
then
you
know
really
working
on
substantive
outputs
and
seeing
how
the
seeing
how
the
accounting
system
will
work
out
just
to
give
a
quick
example.
So
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
have
two
models.
B
B
So
I
would
hold
a
110
share
on
the
on
the
ability
to
have
that
that
consortium
consensus
around
then
how
they
will
then
allocate
that
and
think,
if
you
can
think
of
this
like
a
project
of
time
and
then
how
they
will
then
spend
that
time
that
they've
capitalized
to
achieve
what
what
they're,
what
they
ultimately
their
ultimate
goals
that
they
want
to
accomplish.
So
and
then
of
course,
we
also
have
some
other
considerations
in
the
white
paper,
such
as
providing
diff.
B
This
is
again
these
tiered
approaches
and
having
different
user
rights.
So
if
you
think
about
very
simple
user
rights
about
sort
of
being
able
to
just
participate
in
the
in
the
economy,
meaning
you
can
just
offer
yourself
for
you
know
to
looking
for
to
providing
work
or
you
know,
do
you
have
the
ability
to
make
a
proposal
sort
of
a
level
up,
not
only
making
a
proposal?
Can
you
clear
that
proposal?
B
B
Who
can
be
the
mediators
and
the
sort
of
able
to
make
constitutional
sort
of
structural
changes
to
the
code
and
to
the
consortium
rules
as
well
as
then
decision-making
authority.
So
those
are
a
bit
what
we're
trying
to
work
out
in
the
next
step
on
the
prototype,
we're
looking
for
volunteers
to
help
us
with
that
and
pro
bono
actors.
B
For
anyone
who
wishes
to
dm
me
on
that
which
is
post
on
our
online
volunteering
website,
and
this
is
what
we
would
like
to
to
ultimately
prototype,
because
one
of
the
issues
that
came
up
when
the
topic
here
is
driving
open
collaboration
through
joint
solution.
It
is
ultimately
a
bit
what
what
we
we're
seeing
is
some
things.
The
incentive
structures
or
the
the
structures
were
not
ultimately
optimizing,
or
at
least
that
was
the
view
taken
by
those
in
the
u.n
network,
and
I
think
you
see
this
across
the
board.
B
A
Thank
you
so
much
mark
alicia.
I
actually
wanted
to
kind
of
feed
the
same
question
over
to
you
and
we've
talked
so
much
about
how
folks
can
get
involved
in
hyperledger
social
impact,
as
well
as
the
various
other
projects.
We'd
love
to
get
your
perspective,
and-
and
you
know
where
you
see
those
opportunities
live
well.
I
think.
C
C
There
are
a
lot
of
meetups
now
now
most
of
them
are
online,
which
in
many
ways
gives
you
opportunity
to
attend
events
that
aren't
in
your
local
geographic
area.
Sometimes
it
might
mean
in
order
to
attend
something
in
a
different
time
zone,
hello
most
of
my
life,
but
this
and
both
the
issues
in
that
geographic
region
in
that
country,
but
also
meet
people
who
are
building
people
who
are
already
active
in
that
and
make
connections,
see
how
you
can
contribute
also,
as
you're
there
you're
going
to
learn
about
different
telegram
groups,
different
slack
groups.
C
When
I
go
to
some
of
my
telegram
groups
around
blockchain
and
social
impact
or
women
in
blockchain,
I
regularly
see
opportunities
posted
some
paid,
some
not
paid
depending
on
the
group
and
depending
on
the
project,
where
it's
not
necessarily
that
they
need
tech
skills.
Sometimes
they
need
marketing
skills,
they
need
business
skills,
so
if
you're
coming
into
the
sector
or
you're,
not
technical-
and
you
still
think
that
this
is
a
technology
you
want
to
be
in.
C
While
I
do
have
a
degree
from
rutgers,
I
met
a
blockchain
and
social
impact
hackathon
and
at
one
point
I
went
over,
I
was
introducing
myself
to
the
group
and
they
were
looking
to
do
something
agriculture
related
and
it
turned
out.
We
had
rutgers
in
common,
so
a
program
with
rutgers
are
contributing
to
that
up
in
montreal
in
canada,
mcgill
university
has
a
food
system
program
that
now
is
very
closely
involved
and
is
the
home
of
a
new
working
group
around
interoperability
and
the
semantic
web.
C
So
if
you
are
a
student,
definitely
look
see
what's
at
your
university
or
any
other,
you
have
an
affiliation
with
and
look
at
a
lot
of
different
places,
and
right
now,
more
than
ever,
you
don't
have
to
be
just
bound
by
your
geographic
area.
Look
go
to
meetups,
go
to
another
city
within
meetups,
go
to
another
country,
type
in
blockchain
or
type
in
blockchain,
and
see
what
comes
up
because
there's
always
something
to
learn
and
it's
a
great
way
to
find
different
opportunities.
A
So
if
for
the
folks
that
are
in
you
know,
listening
and
feel
free
to
to
drop
us
and
ask
a
ask,
a
question
would
be
for
those
and
I
do
have
one
other
question
and
sean.
Maybe
I'll
pick
on
you
a
little
bit
for
this
question.
So
what
advice
would
you
give
to
someone
looking
to
start
a
blockchain
project.
D
C
Just
type
question
into
the
chat:
would
there
be
any
place
to
find
use
cases
that
are
faces?
So
I
think
you
mean
not
in
phase
one
of
a
pilot
but
further
along
I'd
say:
look
at
projects
in
different
indus
and
one
challenge
here:
is
small
companies
don't
have
the
the
bandwidth
to
spend
writing
them
up,
they
might
not
have
the
people
they
can
assign
to
that
and
then,
when
it
comes
to
larger
companies
or
or
to
any
company,
indeed,
they
can't
just
decide
to
write
up
the
use
case.
C
A
Thank
you
for
thank
you
for
that
alicia
and
just
one
other
thing
to
add.
So
hyperledger
actually
has
a
use
case
section
where
a
lot
of
the
member
organizations
are
posting
about
their
use
cases
oftentimes.
Those
are
actually
much
more
in
the
developed
phases
and
usually
they
also
have
contact
information
for
folks
that
are
putting
those
out.
So
that's
something
definitely
to
to
check
and
reference.
A
So
just
you
know,
type
in
hyperledger
and
then
like
use
cases,
and
you
should
be
able
to
find
pdf
documents
of
the
various
projects
that
that
are
that
are
available
using
hyperledger
technologies.
Actually,
so
it's
a
great
plug-in
for
that,
but
we're
all
out
of
time.
Thank
you
all
so
much
for
for
your
time
today,
the
panelists
really
appreciate
your
time.
Waking
up
at
you
know
the
the
hour
that
you're
you're
up
at
and
as
well
as
for
the
audience,
really
appreciate
your
involvement
engagement
on
this.
Thank
you
all.