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Panel: Self-Sovereign Identity for Economic Empowerment: Lessons from Africa - Anna Johnson, Trinsic; Thea Sommerseth Myhren, Diwala; Lohan Spies, DIDx; Fabian Portmann, Farmer Connect; Bryan Pon, Kiva
Self-sovereign identity (SSI) is a movement that claims digital identity should be just as legitimate and nuanced as a person’s human identity, while being accessible to all, privacy-preserving, and not reliant on a single government or corporation. The worldwide adoption of SSI has the potential to increase people's access to goods and services, including for disadvantaged individuals that do not have a government ID. Kiva, DIDx, and Farmer Connect are all using SSI backed by Hyperledger Aries/Indy to economically empower people in Africa. The panellists will specifically focus on the successes and obstacles that each of them have faced in helping to bring SSI to Africa. The speakers will share insights from each of their respective projects which are diverse in industry and use case.
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A
A
Now
before
we
get
into
the
panel
discussion,
I
just
want
the
audience
members
to
know
that
to
the
right
of
their
screen.
They
have
a
chat
box
and
also
a
q.
A
please
put
all
your
questions
for
the
q,
a
portion
in
the
q
and
a
chat,
because
we
will
not
be
monitoring
the
chat,
the
chat
box,
but
we
will
be
monitoring
the
q,
a
box
so
make
sure
for
whatever
questions
you
have
for
the
panelists,
they
go
into
the
q,
a
portion
for
the
q,
a
box
for
us.
A
A
So
essentially
we
make
it
easy
for
individuals
and
organizations
to
prove
things
anything
about
themselves
with
technology
instead
of
paper,
and
so
our
platform
consists
of
infrastructure
and
tools
that
developers
can
use
to
easily
implement
digital
trust
or
self-sovereign
identity
into
their
solutions.
So
that's
a
little
bit
about
me,
but
let's
go
on
to
our
panelists.
We
have
a
great
group,
we'll
start
with
fabian
and
then
brian
via
and
then
lohan.
Usually
you
know
in
person,
there's
a
line,
so
it
makes
a
little
bit
more
sense.
A
B
Yeah,
so
thanks
a
lot
for
for
allowing
me
to
be
on
this
panel.
It's
a
real
pleasure.
My
name
is
femi
portman,
I'm
the
chief
technology
officer
here
at
pharma,
connect
farmer
connect.
What
do
we
do
so
we're
we're
born
out
of
the
industry
and
its
needs
in
particular
in
coffee,
and
that's
also
where
we're,
where
we're
currently
very
active
yeah.
B
B
It's
about
efficiencies,
it's
about
telling
stories,
but
it's
also
about
people
and
and
of
course,
individuals
and
in
particular,
about
producers,
and
it's
in
the
producer
end
that
we're
currently
or
at
source
that
we're
currently
using
ssi
technology
really
to
digitally
empower
producers
to
play
a
more
active
role
in
these
supply
chains.
So
yeah.
That's
that's
what
we
do
more
details
to
come
later.
C
C
Now
with
with
kiva,
which
is
a
non-profit
that
does
loans
to
individuals
around
the
world.
So
we
have
a
mission
of
financial
inclusion
and
we've
built
this
this
new
infrastructure.
We
call
kiva
protocol
that
helps
our
government
partners,
add
modern
digital
authentication
capabilities
to
their
existing
id
systems.
So
we
are
not
a
full
stack
id
provider,
essentially
a
layer
that
sits
on
top
and
connects
to
whatever
kind
of
national
scale
id
system
is
already
in
place
and
allows
that
allows
private
sector
or
other
government
actors
to
to
connect
digitally
with
that.
D
Diwala
is
focusing
on
how
we
can
and
have
built
the
solutions
for
issue
and
verification
of
digital
credentials
to
showcase
people's
skills,
education
and
work
experience.
We
then
issue
a
skill
identity
to
a
person
or
a
business,
and
we
make
sure
you
can
basically
offer
also
solution
to
identify
and
verify
those
talents.
Our
aim
is
to
advance
transparency
and
enable
direct
access
to
diverse
and
verify
talent,
specifically
from
the
african
continent.
D
E
But
what
I'm
doing
now
primarily
is
focusing
on
building
a
platform
that
we
call
yoma
and
together
with
a
lot
of
consumption
partners,
and
what
the
platform
is
all
about
is
really
to
take
use
in
africa.
That's
where
we
want
to
start,
but
we
want
to
build
a
platform
that
is
ultimately
globally
scalable.
D
So
ssi
self-sovereign
identity,
it's
basically
a
term
you
can
use
that's
used
to
describe
a
digital
movement
that
wants
to
recognize
that
an
individual
should
own
and
control
their
own
identity.
Without
the
intervening
of
administrative,
administrative
authorities,
ssi
aims
to
allow
people
to
interact
basically
in
the
digital
world,
with
the
same
freedom
and
capacity
for
trust
as
they
can
do
in
the
offline
world,
and
they
can
do
that.
Basically,
by
giving
you
access
to
digital
wallet,
where
you
can
also
identify
identificate
your
own
identity
and
then
have
the
ability
to
give
consent.
D
B
A
Was
a
job
well
done
and
if
anyone
has
further
questions
about,
you
know
what
is
self-serving.
Identity
put
it
in
the
q
a
and
we
would
love
to
dive
more
into
that.
But,
for
you
know
the
conversation
today,
we
want
to
focus
really
on
the
implementation
of
each
of
the
panelists
with
their
ssi
project.
So
that
will
be
the
focus
today
as
a
follow-up
question
to
what
is
ssi
brian,
I
would
love
to
hear
from
you
and
then
as
lohan
as
well.
C
You
know
a
you
know,
a
a
tradition,
more
traditional
ict
view
where
they're,
you
know,
they're
looking
at
metrics
around
you
know
or
what
are
the
kind
of
operational
capabilities
of
a
solution
I
might
implement?
What
is
the
cost
effectiveness
of
this
solution?
How
is
this
going
to
sit
with
my
legacy
systems?
What
is
a,
what
is
the
ongoing
service
contract?
Look
like
right.
These
are.
These
are
top
questions
on
their
mind,
it's
not
about
hey.
Does
your
solution
offer
zero
knowledge
proofs
or
how
correlatable
actually
is
your
solution?
C
Or
you
know,
and
so
some
of
those
privacy
focused
issues,
are
lower
down
the
priority
list.
Some
of
the
the
user
centricity
features
right,
like
the
ability
to
granular,
more
granularly
control
information
disclosure,
the
ability
to
essentially
have
a
portable
set
of
records
that
the
individual
can
take.
But
again,
those
are
those
are
great.
C
So
that
is
a
that
is
a
feature
that
that
does
have
value.
I
would
say,
even
more
so
for
for
many
of
the
conversations
that
we're.
Having
is
the
ability
to
support
multiple
issuers
without
having
to
harmonize
or
stink
those
databases
right?
So
when
we're
talking
with
a
government
partner-
and
they
have
maybe
a
a
foundational,
a
foundational
national
id
right
and
then
we
start,
we-
we
see
the
wallet
with
that
id.
C
Oh
now,
they
want
to
look
at
layering
in
a
social
benefits
program
right,
and
so
they
have
maybe
multiple
social
benefits
programs
with
different
eligibility
lists.
Right
and
typically
you
have
to
go
through
this.
You
know
the
honoris
deduplication,
blah
blah
blah
sinking,
harmonization
of
those
databases,
the
ability
to
support
multiple
issuers
without
having
to
do
that
has,
of
course,
huge
operational
benefits
that
are
very
attractive
to
many
of
our.
E
Yes,
so
I
have
a
slightly
different
view
about
things
that
I
feel
will
really
make
a
massive
impact
from
economic
empowerment
perspective.
For
me,
it
is
really
if
you
look
at
africa.
There
are
so
many
people
in
africa
that
have
no
form
of
identity.
There
is
not
even
a
national
identity
and
for
me,
the
idea
of
verifiable
credentials
and
being
able
to
build
up
a
profile
or,
in
theory,
an
identity
about
yourself
from
all
kinds
of
things
that
you
interact
with.
E
For
me,
that
is
really
a
game
changer,
because,
first
of
all
it's
provable
data.
You
can
once
you
receive
these
credentials
or
whatever
format
from
whichever
issue
it
might
be.
You
can
at
some
point,
go
to
a
financial
institution
and
say
hey.
I
don't
have
a
national
id,
but
you
know
I
have
this
list
of
all
these
verifiable
credentials
and
all
of
them
kind
of
correlate
to
the
fact
that
it's
really
me.
E
The
other
thing
for
me,
that
is
very
important,
which
I
believe
is
going
to
be
a
major
gain.
Change
going
forward.
Is
the
ability
to
actually
take
these
credentials
and
take
it
with
you
wherever
you
go
cross
border?
If
I
today,
if
I'm
in
south
africa
today,
and
I
want
to
go
and
work
in
zimbabwe
tomorrow,
I
can
take
my
identity.
I
can
take
my
credentials
and
I
can
prove
to
them
just
according
to
the
same
rigor
in
them.
A
Great,
I
love
those
two
different
perspectives.
It's
great
to
hear
those
and
now
for
the
audience.
I
think
it'd
be
great,
that
everyone
understands
a
little
bit
more
about
your
individual
projects.
Some
of
you
addressed
it
a
little
bit
in
your
intros,
but
just
to
go
more
into
depth
about
how
you
are
implementing
ssi.
B
Yeah
thanks
so
yeah,
as
I
mentioned
before,
we're
we're
we're
really
very
active
in
in
coffee
and
I
think,
sort
of
we're
coming
in
also
from
from
from
a
supply
chain.
Angle,
coffee,
you
know,
product
traceability
is
really
really
important
for
us
and,
and
I
think
the
clients
that
we
work
with
they
realize
that
you
know
there's
a
real
need
essentially
to
to
transport
information
things
that
are
happening
at
the
very
beginning
of
the
supply
chain
when
you
essentially
source
coffee.
B
That's
a
one-way
street
and
the
producer
is
not
really
put
into
into
focus
or
not
in
putting
control,
essentially
how
their
either
you
know,
data
about
about
them
about
their
practices
is
being
shared
and
and
in
particular,
sort
of
we
we
really
want.
We
saw
a
great
opportunity
with
with
with
ssi
to
to
to
to
use
ssi
technology
really
to
to
to
build
such
a
digital
identity
in
a
particular
so
yeah,
a
more
you
know,
not
just
identity.
I
think
identity
here
is,
is
really
a
digital
profile.
What
what
kind
of
who
are?
B
Who
are
you?
What
kind
of
economic
activity
are
you
engaging
in
because
yeah
you
are,
you
are
producing
great
coffee,
you're
selling,
that
potentially
at
a
very
good
price.
But
what
kind
of
you
know
what
kind
of
digital
proof
do
you
have
for
that
and
and
also
other
activities
that
you're
engaging?
Are
you
a
member
of
a
training
program?
Have
you
received
a
certain
piece
of
education?
Are
you
are
you
conducting?
B
You
know
your
agricultural
practice
in
a
certain
way
and
that
information
can
really
be
centralized
around
around
the
producer
and
put
the
the
producer
in
the
driving
seat
about
sharing
that
information
throughout
throughout
the
supply
chain?
It's
not
just
so
to
say,
like
date,
the
harvesting
but
really
empowering
the
individual,
and
I
think
that's
that's
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
with
our
activity
or
our
solution
at
source
to
create
this,
this,
this
digital
inclusion
for
the
producer
and
and
essentially
trying
to
put
them
more
into
the
driving
seat.
Saying
hey!
B
You
know
consistent
work
over
a
certain
period
of
time
and
that's
potentially
going
to
allow
me
to
get
to
get
better
financing
and-
and
that's
that's
sort
of.
I
think
that
this
is
in
particular
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
and
try
to
work
with
with
our
partners
to
be
very
clear.
We
we're
we're
a
technology
company
and
essentially
we're
trying
to
stand
up
this
ecosystem.
B
So
we
are
not
not
not
boots
on
the
ground,
so
we're
heavily
relying
on
on
on
our
partners
in
country,
for
example,
in
rwanda
we
work
we
work
closely
with
one
of
our
partners.
It
has
a
very
strong
footprint,
origin
and
yeah,
that's
sort
of
we
we
we
are
essentially
providing
the
digital
technology
and
because
the
relationships
with
with
the
you
know,
both
between
us,
because
we're
born
out
of
the
industry,
but
also
between
our
partners
and
producers,
are
very
strong.
B
So
this
is
something
that
we
can
leverage
or
try
to
leverage
to
to
create
adoption.
So
if
you
want
to
summarize,
it's
really
putting
you
know
it
there's
a
real
need
to
to
create.
You
know
to
to
to
create
a
mechanism
to
to
share
data
about
what's
happening
at
source
throughout
the
supply
chain,
and
one
way
to
do
it
would
just
be
to
harvest
this
data,
and
the
other
way
would
be
to
actively
involve
producers
at
source
in
a
digital
way
so
that
they
become.
B
You
know
they
have
a
more
active
role,
more
more
inclusive
role.
So,
ultimately,
in
the
end,
you
know
create
opportunities,
opportunities
for
growth
and
yeah,
essentially
more
a
more
sustainable
way
of
doing
business,
for
them
to
grow
their
business
as
well,
and,
of
course,
there's.
I
think
there's
going
to
be
a
question
around
that
later
sort
of
you
know
what
kind
of
this
is
of
by
by
no
means
by
no
means
easy.
I
think
all
the
participants
on
the
panel
can
tell
their
story.
C
C
Then
we
can
do
other
things
like
credit
or
financial
reporting,
on
top
of
that
gdb
payments
and
and
so
on,
but
it
a
few
things
I
just
want
to
to
emphasize
again.
As
I
said
earlier,
we
do
not
create
any
id
credentials
right.
We
rely
on
existing
government
credentials,
just
digitize
those
create
digital
versions
of
those
to
put
in
the
wallet,
and
you
know-
and
maybe
in
contrast
to
some
of
my
colleagues
on
the
call
right,
our
focus
really
is
yes
this
this.
C
This
has
benefits
for
the
individual
right,
but
we
are
not.
We
are
not
creating
new
ideas
for
anyone
who
does
not
currently
have
one
right.
That's
a
problem
that
we
believe
is
best
solved
by
the
state,
and
that
is
is
outside
the
scope
of
what
we
can
do.
You
say,
okay,
well,
if
they've
already
got
an
id
and
you
create
a
digital
version,
how
you
actually
you
know
improving
the
economics,
as
you
say,
and
how
does
that
lead
to
better
economic
outcomes
for
these
individuals?
C
C
C
D
Because
it's
my
turn
so
yeah
we
we
focused
on
issuance
of
credentials.
We
have
about
over
30
39
different
organizations
that
issue
these
credentials.
To
talk
about
a
concrete
use
case.
It
would
be
the
islamic
basic
business
incubator,
which
has
issued
2
000
small
to
medium-sized
businesses
all
over
uganda.
D
What
happens
is
basically
they
go
through
business
training
and
they
were
issued
very
different
kind
of
digital
credentials,
basically
to
to
their
business
as
a
part
of
it,
both
as
a
business
but
also
as
an
individual,
and
what
happens
then
is
that
we
can
take.
One
of
them
is
like
a
pharmacy
and
they
actually
need
that
for
both
compliance
when
they
have
government
check
up.
D
So
the
government
has
been
there
and
then
scanned
the
qr
code
or
the
certificate
being
there,
both
on
their
phone
or
on
on
the
wall,
that
everybody
puts
a
certification
on
the
wall
here
and
then
they
can
scan
that
and
verify
the
authenticity
of
it.
In
the
same
way,
we
work
within
different
actors
and
that
basically
see
this
training
as
an
access
to
basically
de-risk
access
to
capital
for
businesses.
D
So
in
this
way
you
can
actually
you
see
that
you
have
things
in
order
in
the
same
way,
brian
said,
like
you
have
like
a
national
id,
you
have
you
have
a
tax
number,
all
these
things
to
make
sure
you
become
more
compliant
and
we
work
with
all
these
organizations
to
enable
you
to
have
those.
So
you
can
get
an
opportunity
to
just
to
start
small
but
like
grow
your
business
and
then
also
be
able
to
be
recognized
not
just
locally
where
you
are
but
anywhere.
We
are
as
a
part
of
that.
D
If
you
don't
have
a
smartphone,
we
build
a
custody
approach,
so
you
can
decide
you
get
signed
up
with
a
number
and
with
a
name
and
number
and
a
password,
that's
the
whole
password
issue.
We
do
have
in
the
space
that
you
need
to
remember
that
password,
but
at
least
then,
when
you
have
access
to
smartphone,
you
can
also
have
the
same
functionality
in
in
the
app
with
the
dual
app
or
something
in
the
same
way.
D
So
that's
one
concrete
way:
we're
working
to
do
it
and
we're
also
working
the
same
way
with
the
government
here
for
testing
when
they
do
have
to
do
tests
of
teachers.
So
in
this
thing
we're
trying
to
recruit
and
then
are
trying
to
basically
also
verify
alter
their
systems.
So
it's
a
faster
way
to
basically
verify
who
has
actually
gone
through
their
system
even
from
a
government
perspective
because,
like
brian
mentioned,
having
there's
high
risk
of
things
not
being
authentic
and
that
it's
fraudulent
and
this
gives
all
access.
E
But
what
yoma
provides
to
the
youth
in
africa
is
we
provide
the
youth
that
don't
necessarily
have
access
to
opportunities
with
the
ability
to
log
into
yom
or
create
an
account
on
your
market,
then
get
access
to
exposed
opportunities.
Like
I
mentioned,
this
can
be
experiential
learning.
It
can
be
like
learning
management
type
courses,
it
can
be
sustainable
development,
type
of
initiatives,
opportunities
and,
as
they
complete
well
complete
these
opportunities.
They
get
verifiable
credentials
issued
to
them
and
in
some
cases
they
also
get
rewarded.
E
We
incentivize
them
for
completing
and
as
they
build
up
the
digital
cv
and
the
objective
is
then
for
them
to
be
able
to
access
earning
opportunities
so
utilizing
that
cv
to
basically
improve
the
skill
set,
that
they
build
up
to
get
access
to
either
direct
employment
or
any
kind
of
employment.
And
that
is
what
we
refer
to
as
a
learning
to
earning
kind
of
dimension
of
the
platform.
E
So,
instead
of
logging
in
and
being
bombarded
with
a
thousand
or
ten
thousand
types
of
employment
opportunities,
we
basically
take
their
skill
set
and
match
it
to
what
the
employer
wants,
and
then
we
basically
tell
them.
You
know
these
are
five
opportunities
in
your
region
that
you
can
participate
in
and
one
of
the
other
dimensions
that
we
want
to
do
in
yoma
is
we
want
to
build
a
green
yoma?
E
It's
the
same
kind
of
platform,
the
same
marketplace,
but
we
want
to
focus
on
the
sustainable
development
side
and
the
objective
is:
how
can
we
utilize
the
youth
at
as
catalyst
to
achieve
impact
at
scale?
So
the
idea
would
be
that
we
can
create
all
kinds
of
impact
and
sustainable
development
projects.
You
can.
Investors
can
invest
in
those
projects
and
then
we
get
the
youth
to
do
the
work
and
also
you
can
then
even
go
and
do
the
monitoring
and
evaluation
to
ultimately
improve
the
outcomes
of
those
projects.
E
E
But
really
our
objective
is
to
not
only
provide
them
with
identities
but
having
the
ability
to
control
those
identities
and
then
to
for
them
to
utilize
those
identities
to
really
uplift
themselves
out
of
whatever
conditions
they
might
be
and
providing
them
access.
And
then
the
last
thing
is
from
an
incentive
perspective.
We
incentivize
the
youth
because
a
lot
of
the
times
they
don't
have
access
to
data.
So
let's
say
they
go
participate
in
in
an
opportunity
and
they
utilize
100
mix
of
data.
E
Now
they
basically
don't
necessarily
have
money
to
buy
another
mix,
so
we
give
them
an
incentive
and
then
we
have
marketplaces
where
they
can
go
and
buy
electricity,
airtime
data
and
depending
on
the
country,
we
have
different
marketplaces
in
different
countries,
but
yeah.
That's
that's
yourma
and
yeah.
We
have
quite
ambitious
objectives
and
yeah
day.
A
That's
fantastic
and
great
to
hear
about
my
next
question
has
to
do.
I
mean
fabian
alluded
to
this
a
little
bit.
I
want
to
talk
about
the
adoption
challenges
you
all
have
been
facing
when
implementing
your
solution
in
africa
and
these
challenges
could
range
from
governance,
technical
challenges,
social
business
challenges,
so
I
want
to
hear
the
whole
thing
brian.
Do
you
want
to
start
us
off
on
what
challenges
kima
has
been
experiencing
with
adoption.
C
Yeah
sure
so
I-
and
maybe
this
is
my
personal
bias,
because
I'm
I'm
not
a
technologist,
and
I
know
I
know
we're
at
a
technology
conference
or
event,
but
you
know
the
in
my
experience.
The
technology
is
is
usually
not
the
hardest
part
right.
These
are
complex
problems
that
we're
trying
to
solve,
and
you
you
may
have
a
better
mousetrap
and
I
think,
probably
all
of
us
believe
we
have
a
fundamentally
better
mousetrap.
C
Not
only
does
the
regulatory
environment
have
the
you
know
right
kind
of
like
data
protection
and
privacy
controls
in
place,
but
more
specifically
for
the
use
case
I
was
describing
before
ekyc,
you
know:
do
the
kyc
regs
support
electronic
channels,
digital
channels,
for
this
kind
of
verification
right
and
the
the
timelines
for
for
for
making
policy
changes
are
hard
to
estimate,
maybe
even
harder
than
estimating
software
development
timelines,
because
these
are
these
are
complicated
issues
right.
It's
not.
C
You
often
have
multiple
stakeholders,
not
just
your
government
partners,
but
right
they're,
working
with
ta
providers,
technical
assistance
providers,
there's
probably
multilaterals
involved.
The
bank
is
involved,
or
maybe
the
ifc
is
involved,
and
there
may
be
multiple
levels
of
jurisdiction
right.
Maybe
there's
a
sub-national
like
reach
sub-national,
as
well
as
national
policy.
C
Supernational
right
fatigue
right,
the
international
organization
that
regulates
all
these
kinds
of
customer
due
diligence
due
diligence
regulations.
So
you
know,
coordinating
all
of
that
and
and
really
being
able
to
ensure
those
pieces
are
in
place
before
you're
ready
to
launch
is
a
critical
and
one
and
and
maybe
the
most
difficult
part
of
implementations
for
us.
B
B
I
would
say
we're
we're
in
somewhat
in
in
in
a
fortunate
position
that
essentially
on
the
issuer
end,
we
we
work
with
partners
and
we're
in
that
sense,
if
we're
looking
at
supply,
chain,
traceability
and
harvesting
that
that
information
and
trying
to
put
essentially
the
the
producer
and
the
driving
seat
there
where
governance
is
not
is,
is
not
the
only
challenge
we
we,
I
mean,
as
I
said
right,
it's
very,
very
complex,
but
but
also
essentially
end
user.
Adoption
has
been
has
been
very
yeah.
B
It
has
been,
has
been
a
lot,
a
lot
of
work
and
sort
of
the
obstacles
there
or
literacy
access
to
network
damn
mentioned
in
the
beginning.
You
have
to
create
really
sort
of
technologically
inclusive
solutions
right
because
you're
going
to
encounter
some
of
these
obstacles,
like
you
know,
you're,
expecting
like
smartphone
capabilities,
maybe
or
access
to
to
sell
your
network-
that's
not
happening,
you
know,
simply
replying
to
an
sms
can
sometimes
be
can
sometimes
be
a
channel.
You
have
to
look
for
signal.
B
You
know
when
you're,
when
you're
using
these
digital
channels,
as
long
mentioned,
you
might
suddenly
run
out
of
run
out
of
credit,
and
you
know
these
are
all
small
aspects
that
are
that
are
essentially
you
know,
creating
small
frictions
and
and
when
trying
to
roll
this
out
and
essentially
trying
to
do
this
at
scale,
so
we're
very,
very
heavily
reliant
on
on
local
partners,
education
and
incentivation
for
us
is
a
big
part
like.
Why
should
you
do
this?
Why
should
you
participate
in
these
kinds
of
programs?
B
Very
clear
articulation
of
value
for
for
producers
is
something
that
that
takes
a
lot
of
work.
You
know,
funnily
enough,
for
example,
for
coffee
producers,
when
you
would
want
them
when
it's
coffee
delivery
time,
they're
very,
very
busy.
Obviously,
you
know
coffee,
harvesting
and
delivery
happens
in
a
you
know
in
certain
periods
of
time
of
the
year
and
then
you're
coming
in
here
and
and
trying
to
roll
out
this
additional
solution,
and
you
have
to
be
very
articulate
like.
Why
should
you
participate
in
this?
B
B
You
know
we're
talking
about
e-vouchers,
essentially
because
you're
asking
for
for
an
extra
an
extra
step,
potentially
verifying
information
or
you
know,
signing
up
and
getting
their
digital
id
and-
and
you
know
we
we
work
with
with
our
partners,
essentially
that
we
say
look
we're
trying
to
make
this
really
sort
of
we're
trying
to
get
you
to
to
join
this
program,
but
there's
something
in
it
for
you
as
well.
It
can
be.
B
You
know
digital
e-vouchers,
where
you
can
get,
for
example,
agriculture,
products
or
or
or
what
not
so
to
really
create
that
traction
and
incentivation
for
for
for
producers
to
to
participate
and
for
them
also
to
see
the
value
and-
and
you
know
now
given
of
course
there's
you
know,
additional
complexities,
people
can't
eat
meat.
This
is
easily
you
know,
you
cannot
just
do
trainings
on
the
fly
like
this,
and
this
is
of
course,
fully
understandable
right,
but
then
things
also
slow
down
a
little
bit.
B
It's
it's
there's
many
dimensions,
I
would
say
it's
as
brian
says
it's
it's
very,
very,
very,
very
complex,
and
then,
of
course,
if
you
think
about
ecosystem
wise
sort
of
mentioned
at
the
very,
very
beginning,
also
sort
of
the
beautiful
example
of
low-
and
you
know
if
you're
trying
to
take
it
essentially
outside
of
farmer
connect
or
farmer,
connects
primary
partners
if
you're
trying
to
create
traction
on
the
verifier
side.
So
to
say
you
know,
pack,
your
digital
wallet,
walk
somewhere
else
and
do
something
else
with
it.
D
Thank
you
absolutely
so.
I
think
first
onboarding
it's
in
101,
on
my
end,
where
we
need
to
understand
that
we're
in
an
area
where
people
do
not
have
you
cannot
use.
If
you
cannot
use
the
phone
number
or
people
don't
have
an
email,
you
don't
have
an
onboarding,
every
single
thing,
you're
trying
to
onboard
into
it.
It's
not
working
so
that
comes
into
what
fabian
mentioned.
Also
in
terms
of
education
and
digital
electricity
is.
D
It
depends
where
you
are,
but
if
you're
going
in
more
remote
areas
you
are
in,
you
may
be
having
we
have
a
use
case.
We
have
a
12
000
teachers,
that's
going
in
a
hall
to
take
an
aptitude
test,
none
of
them
have
an
email
or
some
have
if
they're
able
to
use
it
or
not,
or
if
they're
going
even
to
going
to
reuse
it,
but
that's
the
core
component:
that's
going
to
help
them
when
they
go
into
the
e-recruitment
system.
D
D
We
need
to
also
think
about
and
have
different
ways
of
solving,
how
we
onboard
and
how
we
work
in
partnerships
on
digital
literacy
to
make
sure
people
understand
what
this
means
beyond
other
kind
of
solutions
that
they're
using
because
they
use
phones
for
mobile
money,
all
those
different
things,
but
not
for
these
use
cases,
which
comes
into
more
human-centered
design
perspectives.
You
know
we
need
to
design
for
what's
already
here
and
deeply
passionate
about
that,
not
building
systems,
for
whatever
we've
been
doing.
D
If
it's
in
norway
or
the
us,
wherever
it
is,
it
needs
to
be
built
for
the
african
continent
and
then
in
with
with
africans
and
with
local
collaborations
at
the
ground
level,
because
that's
it
should
work
for
a
year
and
that's
the
core
core
principle.
I
think
that
a
lot
of
people
forget-
and
I
see
a
lot
of
system
being
built
in
that
way
and
specifically,
if
you
have
a
lot
of
money
to
build
these
systems,
which
start-ups
that
generally
don't
we
scrap
on
our
budgets,
please
think
about
those
action
points.
A
Thank
you
we're
just
going
to
switch
gears
a
little
bit
now
since
we're
at
a
hyperledger
global
forum.
I
figured
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
talk
about
hyper
hyperledger
projects
and
what
hyperledger
projects
you
all
are
using
in
your
solution.
So
I'm
going
to
direct
this
question
at
lohan
and
then
fabian
to
follow
what
are
the
advantages
of
using
the
hyperledger,
indie
and
aries
project
and
then
also
what
is
still
lacking
from
those
projects
that
that
is
needed
for
your
your
solution.
E
E
So
for
me,
one
of
the
key
things
that
I
would
like
to
see
more
focus
on
when
it
comes
to
is
really
the
ability
to
focus
more
on
low
tech
or
no
tech.
Basically,
offline
low-tech
use
cases,
because
if
you
look
at
ssi
at
the
moment
and
what
people
are
building
by
far
the
most
used
cases
being
built
out
today
goes
with
the
assumption
that
someone
will
have
a
smartphone,
they
will
have
data
and
they
know
how
to
use
a
smartphone.
The
reality.
E
E
Another
unique
requirement
that
that
we
have
is
when
we
started
building
yoma
and
looking
at
the
digital
literacy
and
the
smart
term
penetration,
the
lack
of
access
to
data.
We
couldn't
just
start
off
and
build
it
in
a
true
ssi
form,
meaning
the
edge
device
basically
holds
the
wallet
and
they
will
interact
with
agents.
E
You
need
to
provide
different
pieces
of
technology
to
bring
him
into
the
ecosystem
and
empowering
getting
part
of
the
economic
system
and,
at
some
point
you'll.
You
will
migrate
by
himself
out
of
the
kind
of
custodial
model
of
internship
model
into
ssi
model
and
then
another
key
piece
that
I
feel
highly
personal
and
strong
about
is.
I
feel
we
should
have
more
open
source
technology,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
don't
we
are
so
early
in
the
game.
E
We
have
another
key
requirement
that
is
not
kind
of
part
of
hyperledger
in
the
80s
at
all.
At
this
stage,
and
we
need
tokens,
it's
just
how
our
ecosystem
works.
We
need
tokens
to
incentivize
people,
we
need
tokens
to
for
them
to
be
able
to
do.
Pfp
exchanges
do
purchase
services
or
products,
and
it's
not
that
I'm
saying
we
need
it
in
india
areas.
It's
just
that
we
have
a
unique
requirement.
So
what
what
is
happening
is
what
I
foresee
happening
in
yom
is.
B
E
E
E
A
B
I
can
only
second
many
of
the
things
that
once
said
this
is,
I
mean
you
know
hyperledger
aries.
Indeed,
I
mean
fantastic
work.
This
gave
us
really
sort
of
you
know
a
good
solid
ground
to
start
from,
and
I'm
tremendously
grateful
to
to
the
to
the
open
source
community
for
for
standing
this
up,
but
many
of
the
I
think,
especially
for
us
it's
on
this
panel.
B
I
think
we're
really
experiencing
similar
pains
just
in
in
the
areas
that
we
that
we
operate
yeah
as
as
low
and
outlined
like
you
can't
expect
smartphones
and
sort
of
every
edge
device
is
a
smartphone.
That's
the
way
it's
going
to
be,
and
and
for
us
I
think
it
was
very
clear
simply
just
working
in
coffee,
having
looked
at
the
the
conditions
that
were
or
the
areas
that
we're
going
to
be
working
in
source.
This
is
this.
Is
this
is
not?
This
is
not.
This
is
going
to
be
very,
very
difficult.
B
Simply
just
having
a
I
would
say,
a
flip
phone
with
with
with
text
capabilities
is,
is
already
a
lot.
It's
a
lot
and
that's
just
one,
that's
just
a
technological
dimension.
So
to
say,
I
think,
that's
that's
why
that
would
let
what
led
us
to
we.
We
realized
very
early
on
that
there's
going
to
be
a
stepping
stone,
I
think,
as
low
and
describe
the
right
to
essentially
go
more
to
the.
B
If
I
can
call
it
a
truer
picture
of
ssi
where,
where
things
are
really
stored
in
on
one
device,
but
it's
both
technologically
and
education,
wise
right,
it's
it's!
It's
really.
These
two
dimensions
work
very
very
closely
together
and
that's
that's
why
we
also
partnered
with
with
trinsic
and
intrinsic
helped
us
a
lot
here
really
to
create
that
stepping
stone
and
that's
also
what
we're
primarily
using
with
our
partners
in
our
projects
that
that
are
currently
live
in
in
africa,
which
is
ultimately
yeah.
B
It's
it's
not
fully
true
to
to
ssi,
because
we
cannot
use
smartphones,
it's
not
on
device
storage,
it's
more
in
in
direction
of
custodianship
or
a
cloud,
a
cloud-based
wallet
and
the
interaction
really
happens
through
through
through
an
sms
or
a
flip
phone.
So
to
say,
the
the
producers
interact
with
their
wallet
or
parts
of
the
functionality
of
of
of
the
system
through
sms
and
then
through
periodical
cycles.
B
You
can,
you
can
interact,
maybe
if
you're
in
a
at
an
internet
cafe
or
something
you
can
log
in
with
the
help
of
of
that
text
or
sms
phone,
and
that's
sort
of
that
reality
that
there
needs
to
be
a
stepping
stone,
both
technologically
and
and
also
a
lot
of
material
available
in
terms
of
education.
What
does
this
mean
now
and
that
they're?
You
know
you
cannot
just
go
from
zero
to
one
hundred,
but
this
is
you
know
it's
already
trouble
on
boarding
technological
means
are
not
available.
B
We
need
to
take
that
stepping
stone.
Then
education
as
lauren,
says
slowly
transition
people
into
this
yeah,
ultimately,
really
where
you're
really
enabled
right.
You
have
everything
on
your
smartphone
device.
I
mean
we
always
say
like
we
we
would
we
would
be.
We
would
be
wanting
to
bring
everybody
to
the
smartphone
device.
If,
through
our
technology,
you
could
actually
get
a
smartphone.
That
would
be
phenomenal
right,
but
just
sort
of
get
there
you
need
to.
B
You
need
to
have
that
stepping
stone
and,
if
there's
focus
on
on
on
on
that
area
as
well,
I
think
that
would
be
you
know
highly
appreciated
for
us
and
everything
that's
also
on
top.
We
have
high
ambitions
we
really
want
to.
We
really
want
to
roll
this
out
globally.
We
want
to
make
this
work
globally,
connect
as
many
people
as
possible.
A
Thank
you
both
we're
going
to
end
with
one
last
question
before
we
get
to
the
q
a
because
we
already
have
a
good
amount
of
questions
there,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
we
get
to
them.
So
this
is
just
a
wrap-up
question
feel
free
to
make
it
brief,
so
we
can
get
to
the
q
a
and
we'll
just
go
through
all
four
of
you.
What
I
mean.
What
do
you
see
as
the
future
of
ssi
in
africa?
B
B
How
can
we
we
convince
you
to
to
do
that
extra
step
and
again
sort
of
collaboration
with
partners
and
potentially
also
for
us
to
say
clearly
looking
beyond
supply
chain?
I
think
it's
going
to
be
it's
going
to
be
very,
very
important
right.
This
is
not
just
the
supply
chain
use
case
where
we're
essentially
yeah
trying
to
make
make
sure
that
we
can
include
the
the
producers
to
take
a
more
active
role
in
when
we're
talking
about
traceability
and
potentially
transparency
of
coffee
supply
chains,
but
that
it
can
be
larger.
B
It
can
be
beyond
support
and
it's
really
the
focus
on
the
producer
at
origin.
This
can
include
education,
all
the
great
work
that
they
alone
are
doing,
and
you
know
everything
in
the
direction
of
financing
that
brian
is
doing
that
this
really
becomes
a
tool
yeah.
I
think
that
that
for
for
with
it
with
a
broader
with
a
broader
purposes
and
essentially
connecting
these
dimensions,
I
think
that
would
be
something
that
we're
we
would
be
really
loving
to
see,
and
I
think
also
want
to
put
want
to
put
an
effort
behind.
D
I
do
hope
that
we
all
need
to
work
together
in
the
same
way,
lohan
talked
about
in
terms
of
building
the
standards,
building,
open
source
and
understanding
how
we
actually
enable
this
ecosystem
to
work
and
the
and
that's
across
the
whole
sector.
That's
when
talking
about
digital
literacy,
that's
working
on
the
onboarding,
that's
enabling
in
working
with
with
governments,
you
know,
and-
and
fundamentally
I
hope
that
I
that
it's
taken
over
by
each
individual
country,
having
of
african
ownership
being
built
in
that
way.
So
it's
it's
not
a
same
presence.
D
I
hope
it's
not
a
western
dominated
ssi
coming
over
to
do
implement
solutions
over
here.
I
deeply
don't
want
that
and
and
the
way
that
built
is
just
like
adding.
I
hope
we
just
like
work
forward
with
humility
to
to
enable
different
more
opportunities
for
for
people.
So
I
think
that's
that's
it's
not
what
it
will
do.
D
E
Okay,
I'll
also
keep
it
very
brief.
So
my
what
do
I
envision?
I
would
like
to
see
ssi
being
adopted,
broadly
in
whatever
form
or
fashion,
be
giving
people
the
ability
to
start
utilizing
verifiable
credentials
to
unlock
all
kinds
of
access
to
different
services
or
rights
or
economic
participation,
and
what
will
get
us
there
start
building
start
doing
something
I
think
just
sitting
around
will
get
us
nowhere.
The
reason
why
we
are
able
to
understand
all
the
principles
and
the
the
difficulties
in
doing
this
stuff
in
africa
is
because
we're
doing
it.
A
C
Yeah
real
quickly,
we
got
all
the
way
to
the
final
testing
of
the
production
system.
All
all
live
financial
service
providers
integrated
when
coveted
hit.
We
essentially
had
to
halt
or
pause
the
project
and
then
now
we're
talking
with
our
government
partners
about
how
we
want
to
revive
or
or
restart
it.
A
Great,
thank
you.
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
go
to
this
question.
Since
I
had
two
upvotes,
it
says:
smartphones,
email,
accounts,
demonic,
seeds
can
all
be
lost,
are
biometrics
a
viable
path
towards
generating
private
keys
or
any
of
your
projects
using
these?
So
anyone
can
take
this
feel
free
to
go
for
it.
We
only
have
about
one
minute
left.
E
E
I
think
brad
take
it
because
he's
the
only
one,
I'm
not
we're,
not
using
biometrics
but
yeah.
I
don't
think
I
think
it
is
far-fetched
to
expect
us
at
this
stage
utilized
by
metrics,
to
create
a
private
key.
I
don't
think
it
is
accurate
enough
to
actually
make
it
reasonable
they
yeah,
so
it
is
for
me,
that's
achilles
of
any
blockchain
type
system
is
privately
managed
and
it's
something
to
be
solved.
I
don't
think
anyone
sold
it
very
elegantly,
as
here.