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From YouTube: Solving Market Problems With Open Source Verifiable Credentials - Heather Dahl & Mike Vesey, IdRamp
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Solving Market Problems With Open Source Verifiable Credentials - Heather Dahl, Indicio & Mike Vesey, IdRamp
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A
Good
happy
kind
of
lunch
time
here:
I
am
Heather
Dahl
and
I
head
up
in
DCU
and
with
me,
is
Mike
vessey,
who
leads
ID
ramp
and
together
we're
here
to
talk
with
you
about
using
open
source
for
verifiable
credentials.
Mike
and
I
have
been
working
on
this
for
a
long
time,
I
think.
Probably
five
years
we
have
been
in
this
community
together
in
fact
met
at
a
community
event
and
started
working
together
through
multiple
iterations
on
the
projects
that
bring
us
here
to
talk
with
you
today
and
so
I.
Think.
A
What's
terrific
about
this
session?
Is
it's
actually
this
community,
it's
hyperledger
and
the
projects
that
brought
us
together
and
our
companies
together
to
partner
and
collaborate?
And
here
we
are
years
on
and
we're
talking
when
we
actually
met
in
a
presentation,
and
so
what
I
want
to
do
is
bring
up
an
oldie
but
goodie,
and
we
know
this
slide
and
that's
always
a
good
win
to
level
set.
A
This
is
not
your
friend,
and
so
what
are
we
going
to
do?
Well,
this
is
not
what
we
want
to
do
anymore.
We
want
to
take
this
world
of
duplicated
identities,
duplicated,
username
and
password,
duplicated
everything,
that's
causing
us
headaches,
and
we
want
to
move
to
a
decentralized
approach
and
that
this
is
why
we're
here
talking
about
verifiable
credentials,
that's
because
think
about
it
as
the
human
or
the
device
or
the
organization
or
the
entity
sits
in
the
middle
and
they
have
the
ability
to
be
the
conduit
of
their
trusted,
verified
and
authentic
data.
A
So
what
we
talk
about
here
is
a
trusted
digital
ecosystem.
This
is
more
than
just
two
parties
on
a
direct
integration.
You
have
to
think
about
the
space
of
verifiable
credentials
as
a
full
ecosystem.
You
don't
have
the
full
ecosystem.
You
have
a
one-handed,
handshake,
I
think
for
many
years.
In
this
space
we
were
really
really
focused
on
the
issuer,
or
we
were
really
really
focused
on
a
wallet
and
then
people
are
saying:
well,
it's
not
getting
adopted
and
you
go
and
have
a
conversation.
They
were
talking
about
my
wallet,
my
wallet,
my
wallet.
A
A
A
So
one
of
the
important
things
I
always
talk
about
is
in
when
I
became
or
involved
in
this
quite
a
while
ago.
How
did
I
get
involved
with
decentralized
identity
actually
got
involved
with
it
from
the
security
side?
I
was
working
on
Security
Solutions
and
it
was
on
the
very
early
days
when
we
were
developing.
What
is
now
known
is
the
zero
trust
framework.
A
Are
you
going
to
go
trust
an
identity,
that's
once
again
on
a
centralized
database,
so
the
idea
behind
verifiable
credentials
and
decentralized
identity
in
that,
in
that
perspective,
really
drove
at
the
fact,
if
you're
never
going
to
trust
and
always
verify
you're
going
to
use
a
decentralized
approach
to
the
identity
to
verify,
and
so,
if
you're,
developing
a
zero
trust
framework,
decentralized
identity
is
the
salt
and
pepper
you
pass
them
together,
and
so
with
that
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Mike.
To
pick
up
from
here.
Thank.
B
You
thanks
Heather
great
yeah
and
I'll
pick
right
up
from
that
from
that
excellent
overview.
So
what
Heather
was
describing
was
really
the
another
building
block
right.
It
was
another
component
that
we
can
use
in
our
identity
strategies
and
and
decentralization
is
coming.
So
let
me
give
you
a
couple
of
a
couple
of
Market
view,
ideas.
First,
so
not
sure
we
had
this
slide.
Let
me
just
get
through
this
all
right.
So
here's
where
I
want
to
start
the
market.
B
Views
are
great
we're
going
to
get
to
that
a
little
bit
later,
as
Heather
was
mentioning
these
building
blocks
used
for
identity
composition.
Interesting
thing
happened
this
spring
at
EIC,
Martin
cooperger
Cole
actually
coined
this
new
term
composable
Enterprise,
and
he
was
talking
about
creating
these
building
blocks.
These
recipes
that
that
organizations
and
Enterprises
can
use
to
build
their
identity
strategy
and
their
authentication
flows,
and
so
some
really
interesting
things
came
out
of
that.
B
We're
hearing
the
same
types
of
of
message
that
we've
known
and
been
promoting
for
a
while
and
now
it's
being
adopted
by
the
analysts.
The
analysts
are
kind
of
seeing
the
value
and
the
opportunity
of
of
having
organizations
be
able
to
really
tailor
their
own
experience.
So
some
of
the
things
you
know
Plug
and
Play,
obviously
any
easy
to
integrate
chain
of
trust
ecosystems
as
Heather
was
talking
about.
Organizations
are
looking
at
creating
their
own
ecosystems
around
decentralization,
but
that's
great.
We
have
to
be
able
to
integrate
that
into
existing
Technologies
and
existing
ecosystems
today.
B
So
it's
it's
awesome
that
that
that
Cooper
Hall
got
behind
this
and
really
said:
hey
the
organizations
that
we're
working
with
really
need
a
more
granular
way
to
deploy
their
authentication,
their
access
schemes.
Then
another
interesting
thing
happened:
Gartner
came
out
with
a
quote
that
reads
pretty
much
the
same
way,
they're
saying
in
the
very
short
in
the
very
near
future.
There's
going
to
be
these
this
notion
of
decentralized
identity.
Again,
people
are
going
to
show
up
with
identities
and
you
as
organizations
have
to
figure
out
how
to
deal
with
it
right.
B
So
we're
seeing
this
across
all
different
sectors
of
of
the
it's
not
just
limited
Enterprise.
It's
also
public
sector,
fintech,
Health
utilities,
the
full,
the
full
spectrum
so
really
interesting.
Now
that
we
have
two
of
the
major
players
in
the
analyst
space
that
are
saying
hey,
you
guys
have
to
have
a
strategy
for
decentralization,
because
it's
coming
and-
and
so
we
think
it's
very
interesting
to
to
lean
into
that
with
some
of
the
technology
that
we've
been
developing.
B
So
another
thing
that
we
have
as
a
benefit
here
is
we're
building
these
trust
ecosystems
and
it
helps
on
every
aspect.
So
it
helps
us
with
the
decentralization
sure
it
helps
us
following
those
standards,
but
also
when
we're
controlling
that
data
in
a
more
privacy
preserving
way
it
helps
to
accomplish
all
these
other
things
that
we
we
hear
so
much
about.
Gdpr
is
much
easier
when
you
involve
the
hold
or
the
the
user
uni
in
the
transaction.
B
So
a
lot
of
really
good
things
are
going
to
come
out
of
this
and
it
will
make
some
of
the
compliance
stuff
that
we
struggle
with
all
the
time
much
easier,
okay
and
now
I.
Think
I
was
ready
for
that
market
message,
but
we're
going
to
start
talking
about
some
tactical
projects-
and
this
is
kind
of
this-
is
fun
for
me,
because
every
time
we
do
a
presentation,
people
always
look
at
it
and
listen
and
go
yeah
great.
You
know
we
can
build
this
technology,
but
how
do
we
use
it?
B
Is
anyone
really
doing
anything
with
decentralized
Technologies
today,
and
the
answer
is
yes,
they
are,
and
I'm
actually
really
happy
to
talk
about
some
projects
that
we've
been
involved
in
with
the
ndco
team
and
others
trying
to
to
put
some
real
rubber
on
the
road
and
get
some
real
world
transactions
out
there.
As
of
today,
the
state
of
North,
Dakota
and
the
U.S
is,
is
issuing
a
verifiable
credential
to
every
single
graduating
senior
and
those
graduating
seniors
can
take
and
that
that
credential
is
being
issued
by
by
the
state
of
North
Dakota.
B
But
if
I
as
a
university
want
to
verify
the
information
contained
within
that
credential,
which
is
the
student
transcript,
whatever
else
they
decide
to
put
in
there,
I
don't
have
to
have
any
kind
of
association
with
the
state
of
North
Dakota
they're
writing
this
to
a
public
Ledger.
So
it
can
be
verified
by
anybody
that
has
access
to
that
public,
Ledger
and
and
has
been
granted
access
to
to
verify
against
it.
And,
and
so
there
are
organizations
that
that
are
I
mean
we
have
universities
that
are
checking
those
credentials.
B
We
have
employers
that
are
looking
for
transcript
information
or
high
school
education
information,
and
they
can
do
that
without
forming
any
kind
of
federation
or
any
kind
of
connection
back
to
the
state
of
North
Dakota
as
the
actual
issue
or
that
credential.
That's
really
that
that
triangle
that
Heather
was
showing
that's.
That
is
this.
Is
it
right?
This
is
the
reason
we're
doing
this,
because
it
makes
the
verification
so
easy
to
get
that
trusted
source
and,
of
course,
all
the
you
know,
the
the
crypto
behind
that-
and
everything
is
all
just
it's.
B
It
is
what
it
is
right.
We
it's
proven
because
technology
is,
is
solid,
all
built
on
hyperledger,
Andy
Aries,
so
and
if
you
want
to
learn
more
about
that
project
on
Wednesday
I'm
doing
another
thing
on
that
on
the
as
part
of
OSS
at
the
trust
over
IP,
something
we're
going
to
get
a
little
bit
deeper
into
the
North
Dakota
education
and
actually
show
those
screens
and
show
that
in
process
and
how
it's
working
today
in
the
wild.
B
The
attendees
can
can
ahead
of
time,
get
that
verifiable
credential,
put
it
in
a
digital
wallet
and
then,
as
they're
entering
the
zoom
meeting,
they
can
just
scan
a
QR
code
and
it'll
verify
whether
they
are
actually
registered
for
that
event
or
in
that
event
and
and
of
course
that
can't
be
spoofed,
because
that
credential
exists
only
one
place
in
your
wallet.
So
somebody
can't
join
that
meeting,
emulating
you,
which
is
a
big
problem
with
with
zoom
attendee.
B
So
that's
a
that's
a
another
use
case
using
verifiable
credentials,
of
course,
is
not
limited
to
verifiable
credentials.
We
can
use
any
technology
to
do
private
identification
leading
into
that,
but
verifiable
connections
is
a
very,
very
easy
way
to
to
do
that.
Verification
and
create
those
those
Access
Control
lists
around
your
Zoom
meetings.
B
The
third
one
was
an
interesting
project.
We
work
on
with
the
city
of
San,
Francisco
and
California.
We
did
a
pilot
with
our
partner
Oracle
to
show
verifiable
credentials
replacing
existing
authentication
for
some
of
their
public
sites.
At
the
time
of
this
project,
California
had
a
hundred
or
San
Francisco
had
141
public
sites
that
their
citizens
could
access
and
pretty
much
every
one
of
them
had
a
different
authentication
process
register.
B
In
about
a
month,
we
took
a
a
system
and
we
issued
a
an
onboarding
so
that
they
could
generate
a
City,
Identity
and
issue
that
to
to
their
citizens
to
be
held
on
a
wallet
on
their
smartphone
and
then
using
ID
ramp.
We
retrofitted
all
140
of
those
sites
to
use
because
they
were
all
traditionally
Federated
right.
They
all
had
the
ability
to
do
saml
or
oidc
or
oauth
or
something
they
just
didn't
know
how
to
do
verifiable
credentials.
B
B
But
you're
going
to
see
things
like
that,
coming
at
you
in
the
next
few
years,
as
as
public
sector
ramps
up
their
use
of
verifiable
credentials,
they're
going
to
be
many
of
these
types
of
experiences
which
give
you
the
ability
to
not
only
hold
the
information
needed
to
authenticate,
but
also
give
consent
right.
And
it's
a
very
important
thing.
When
you
scan
a
QR
code
or
something
to
interact
and
log
into
a
site,
you
are
the
one
that's
going
to
give
consent
hey.
This
particular
State
service
is
looking
for
these
three
pieces
of
information.
B
Are
you
okay
with
sending
them?
And
you
can
say
yes
or
you
can
say
no,
but
Google
isn't
saying
yes
or
no
for
you
right.
That's
the
important
takeaway
from
this,
so
incredible
technology
for
privacy,
preserving
authentications,
it's
coming
fast
and
we're
thrilled
to
be
in
the
middle
of
it
and
doing
some
work
in
that
in
that
area.
B
The
last
thing
is
really
the
ID
ramp
product
I've
mentioned.
We
use
that
to
kind
of
put
all
these
things
together,
but
ID
ramp
is
just
a
platform
that
allows
you
to
plug
in
any
identity,
Source
plug-in
any
service
using
traditional
Federation
protocols,
and-
and
we
can
you
know,
turn
your
identity
sources
into
issuers
turn
your
services
into
our
turn,
create
credential
based
verifications
in
front
of
all
your
services.
Writing
the
existing
rails
of
traditional
Federation
protocols
like
Sam,
Aloha
and
ODC.
So
all
right.
So
this
is
the
I
apologize
guys.
B
B
So
in
summary,
decentralization
means
we're
ending
right,
passwords,
we're
ending
all
of
the
all
of
the
things
that
go
wrong
with
that
verifiable
credentials,
continuous
authentication,
the
building
blocks
really
for
zero
trust,
I
believe
have
their
foundation
and
decentralization,
it's
almost
impossible
to
say
we're
going
to
create
a
zero
trust
strategy
unless
you're
doing
some
fundamental
things
to
remove
passwords
and
give
the
user
more
interaction
points
with
with
the
technology.
So
in
my
mind
the
two
are
really
hard
to
separate.
B
If
you
really
wanted
to
have
a
good,
solid,
zero
trust
strategy,
you
need
to
understand
decentralization
and
how
to
leverage
it
all
right.
Let's
see
what
else
we
have
here
all
right
at
this,
so
some
of
the
projects
that
we're
leveraging
and
again
this
is
a
lot
of
work
that
we're
doing
with
the
indicio
team.
B
We
hope
to
be
doing
a
meet
up
with
them.
I
think
next
month,
I'm
not
sure,
but
we'll
be
we'll
be
involved
in
some
of
these
as
well.
So
really
great
stuff
and
I.
Think
the
the
take
the
final
takeaway
is
decentralized.
Identity
is
ready
for
adoption.
Now
it's
not
something
that
is
still
being
worked
on
you
can
you
can
build
your
ecosystem,
you
can
leverage
it
and
integrate
it
into
your
existing
identity
strategies
today.
So
with
that
I'll.
Thank
you
and
we'll
take
some
questions.
If
we
have
some
time.
B
No
I
mean
every
app
most
wallet
apps
and
they
vary
on
how
they're
protected
most
wallet
apps
have
a
biometric
either
using
the
device
Biometrics.
You
know
Apple's
face
ID
or
Google
space
or
biometric
sensors,
but
you
can
certainly
integrate
your
others.
I
do
know
there
are
certain
wallet
projects
that
are
using
more
strenuous
checks
on
that.
But
if
my
wallet,
if
I
handed
it
to
you
right
now,
would
do
you
no
good,
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
unlock
it
because
it's
protected
true
yeah,
but
you
know
how
do
we
solve
that?
B
Sure
so
the
the
data
in
the
credential
itself
is
held
only
on
your
device.
That's
the
only
place
so
the
when
the
credential
is
issued.
It's
issued
from
your
data
source
right,
so
you
can
have
a
you
can
either
say
we're
going
to
generate
this
based
on
Biometrics
based
on
whatever
or
you
can
say,
because
you're
part
of
our
organization's
directory
we're
going
to
give
you
a
credential
for
your
employee
ID.
When
that
process
happens,
that
information
in
that
credential
only
lives
on
your
smartphone,
that's
it!
It
doesn't
live
anywhere
else.
B
A
More
than
yeah
these
are
globally
deployed,
so
within
the
governance
you
can
also
establish,
for
instance,
if
you
don't
want
the
data
held
in
the
United
States
or
it
has
to
be
held
within
a
certain
geographic
region
on
the
side
of
compliance.
The
important
thing
is,
we
do
work
with
a
number
of
governments
and
the
key
there
is
when
they
accept
information
from
a
credential.
A
They
are
holding
that
data
within
their
government
systems
for
compliance
in
their
own
auditing
and
then
taking
care
of
it
is
their
government
requirements
are
but
I.
Think
that's
an
important
part
is
that
the
recipient,
the
verifier,
can
hold
the
data
that
they
need
to
hold
for
regulatory
purposes.
Just
because
the
holder
has
the
data
doesn't
mean
that
the
verifier
doesn't
receive
it,
and
then
the
verifier
can
choose
where
they
are
going
to
hold
that
data
for
the
purposes
of
compliance.
C
A
Right
so
that
or
you're
a
minor
and
you're
trying
to
travel
et
cetera,
guardianship
custodial,
and
that
is
work
that
is
being
done.
For
instance,
we
do
a
lot
of
work
and
travel
and
tourism.
So
how
does
a
family
go
on
vacation,
right
and
you're?
All
in
all
of
you
have
passports
and
who
gets
to
control
and
manage
that,
and
so
that
is
work
that
is
actively
being
done
for
the
purposes
of
use
cases
that
they're
trying
to
get
deployed.
B
C
D
E
E
A
Continue
where
we
see
a
lot
of
organizations
is
what
we
call
start
simple
and
then
scale.
So
they
often
start
with
the
simple.
You
know:
one
person,
one
credential
and
now
they're
at
the
point
where
they're
realizing
to
scale
they
have
to
work
through
the
guardianship
challenges
and
and
production
deployments.
A
A
Absolutely
and
one
of
the
areas
we
don't
have
the
slide
up
here,
but
the
cardia
project,
Linux
Foundation,
Public
Health.
They
focus
on
medical
health
credentials.
So
that's
a
group
that
is
often
talking
about
this
issue
and
working
through
it.
So
that
may
be
a
meeting
that
you
may
want
to
join
on
Thursdays,
it's
Thursdays
at
noon.
Eastern,
Time,
mm-hmm,.
B
Yeah
and
the
interesting
you
know
kind
of
the
for
me,
the
takeaway
is
it's
so
easy
to
get
started
and
I.
Think
a
lot
of
people
are
are
really
trying
to
look
at
the
forest.
You
know
they're
trying
to
get
their
head
around
the
entire.
How
does
this
work
and
the
guardianship
the
great
questions
right?
This
is
great
thinking,
but
the
takeaway
that
I
really
want
to
express.
Is
they
don't
need
all
that
stuff
right
now
you
can
move
the
needle
right.
You
can
eliminate
passwords
in
20
minutes.
It's
so
easy
right.
B
Using
this
technology
and
you've
got
to
start
there
and,
as
you
start
and
you
build,
your
ecosystem
is
how
they
were
saying.
Things
just
naturally
evolve
and
you
end
up
with
you
end
up
with
this
great
you're,
building
a
better
identity
right
as
you're
as
you're
doing
this,
but
but
don't
think
you
can't
start
because
it's
so
overwhelming
you
don't
know
how
to
solve
guardianship.
You
don't
have
to
solve
all
these
problems.
You
can
start
right
now
and
make
some
real
differences
right
just
by
starting
small,
okay.
C
E
E
B
I
mean
the
tough
part
honestly
is,
is
the
technology
conversations
are
still
happening,
so
we
will
eventually
get
to
the
point
where
the
technology
and
the
soundness
of
the
technology
is
a
given.
Public
ledgers
are
embraced
and
and
then
we
move
past
that
and
we
start
getting
to
the
business
conversations
right
now.
It's
it's
a
little
difficult.
Some
of
the
conversations
most
of
the
larger
Enterprise
organizations
say.
B
Is
really
great
build
this
one?
You
know
build
us
this
thing
and
and
that's
what
Heather
was
saying?
Yes,
if
they
want
to
build
their
own
ecosystem
great
because
it
really
doesn't
matter,
we
have
the
ability
to
you
know,
do
some
routing.
This
is
just
like
TCP
back
in
the
days
you
know
when
TCP
came
out,
it
was
Earth
shattering
right
and
we're
working
on
right
now
the
technology
to
allow
these
ledgers
to
these
credentials
to
really
trans
transgress,
all
these
different
ledgers.
So
it
doesn't
matter.
B
If
an
organization
comes
in
and
says
hey,
we
want
to
build
our
own
great,
build
it.
I,
don't
care
if
you're,
okay,
with
using
a
public
Ledger
like
North
Dakota,
did
awesome,
use
it
right.
So
that's
usually
at
least
historically.
That's
where
we
see
the
biggest
tripping
points
is
they're
so
concerned
about
the
granularity
of
technology
that
they
they
have
some
paralysis
in
the
deployment
because
they're
they're
overthinking
it
right
and
my
to
my
point,
don't
overthink
it
just
do
it.
C
B
If
it
doesn't
work
for
you,
then
stop
doing
it,
but
I
guarantee
you
if
you
go
through
a
process
and
hook
in
an
existing
directory
of
something
users
of
whatever
it
is,
and
you
is
your
credential
based
on
that
you're,
going
to
find
a
hundred
different
ways
that
you
can
leverage
that
in
a
decentralized
way
that
you
haven't
thought
of,
because
it's
too
hard
to
build
those
existing
federations
and
once
you
do
that,
you're
on
your
way.
So
start
small
start
now
and
go.
A
Education
is
a
crucial
part
of
this
in
the
business
development
sales
cycle.
As
a
result
of
that
and
the
needing
to
it's,
not
just
one
or
two
conversations,
you
often
are
in
multiple
conversations
and
I
would
say
the
majority
of
that
is
education.
It's
not
even
showing
the
comparisons
and
the
value
prop.
It's
here's
how
it
works
and
one
way
to
help
shorten
the
sales
cycle
is
in
dcos,
created
a
number
of
workshops
even
down
to
one
hour
for
executives
and
any
it's
available
for
anyone
to
come
to
the
website
and
engage
with
those.
A
C
E
A
Right
so
I'm
going
to
say
all
of
the
above.
There
are
multiple
ways
to
monetize
within
the
system
and
you
can
use
all
or
none
and
I'll
talk
about
why
I
say
none
in
the
monetization
for
travel,
there's
a
the
let's
say
the
the
government
or
the
verifier
is
paying
the
issuer
and
for
them
the
fact
that
at
the
estimate
and
when
the
projects
we've
worked
on
is
70
percent
of
all
paper
presented
was
fraudulent,
they're
willing
to
pay
to
get
rid
of
that
fraud,
and
so
in
that
sense,
yes,
the
other.
A
The
other
component
could
be
the
passenger
pays.
But
how
does
the
passenger
pay
indirectly?
Because
we
all
know
about
all
those
little
fees
baked
into
your
ticket
right?
So,
even
though
they're
not
paying
inside
the
the
technology
they're
not
transacting
and
exchange
a
value
within
the
system.
They're
transacting,
this
change
of
value
to
purchase
the
ticket,
knowing
that
they
are
going
to
pay
the
airline
for
the
ability
to
use
this?
That's
the
second
layer
of
monetization
in
the
system
and
then
the
next
part
is
the
derivative
credential.
A
So
the
government
has
said
that
this
person
can
enter
this
country.
Will
there
are
a
lot
of
other
entities
in
the
country
that
would
like
to
know
that
that
person
is
there
with
the
government's
approval,
especially
in
travel
and
tourism,
and
so
then
they're
using
that
credential,
maybe
to
let
you
into
a
nightclub
or
to
sell
cigarettes
or
whatever
and
they're
willing
to
pay
the
government
for
the
ability
to
do
that.
So
you
have
like
an
external
monetization
of
it.
So
from
the
use
cases
the
monetization
can
happen
in
so
many
different
directions.
A
It's
just
who
finds
the
most
value
and
from
whom
do
they
get
the
value
from
and
then
when
I
say
in
some
cases
they
use
no
monetization.
It's
because
the
cost
savings
are
really
for
either
efficiency,
because
they're
doing
so
many
redundant
procedures
or
there's
Shear
reduction
in
fraud.
They
don't
need
to
monetize
out,
and
so
that's
one
interesting
way
to
look
at
it.
B
Yeah,
let
me
bring
the
inner
an
Enterprise,
Point
and,
first
of
all,
I
think
we
as
individuals
will
pay
for
this
when
the
public
sector
picks
it
up,
just
like
we
pay
for
our
driver's
license
credentials
and
other
things
we're
going
to
be
on
the
hook
for
that
in
the
Enterprise,
though,
let's
look
at
that
use
case
if
an
Enterprise
is
what's
the
single
largest
expense
that
any
Enterprise
has
to
deal
with
today,
it's
the
IAM
right,
it's
the
identity
infrastructure.
Why
is
that?
B
D
B
Networks
now
that
are
that
are
worldwide.
The
dco
network
is
gosh,
I,
don't
know
how
many
of
those
lots
yeah
and
so-
and
you
can
jump
in
and
participate
on
that,
so
it
really
tears
down
those
borders
where
ID
ramp
comes
into
it.
We're
really
highly
specialized
in
taking
your
existing
identity,
whatever
those
silos
are
plugging
them
in
and
really
decentralizing
those
So
eventually
we'll
start
adopting
these
public
sector
identities
as
they
come
on
the
market.
You
know
we're
looking
to
be
ideas
very
carefully.
E
B
C
B
It's
real
easy:
the
dco
team
I
think
we
worked
on
a
project
that
citizen
project
actually
with
Liverpool
and
the
dco
team
cranked
out
a
network
running
in
oracle's
environment.
For
us
in
48
hours,
I
mean
it
was
stunning
right.
We
went
from
here's
an
idea
we
have
to
having
our
own
Network
that
we
can
control
and
contain
at
48
hours.
So
it's
really
really
easy
to
use.
B
A
Absolutely
absolutely
and
we're
in
DCA
we've
been
putting
together,
interopathons
we've
done
with
cardia
Aries.
We
did
work
done
to
help
support
a
neuropathon
I
think
it
was
just
last
week.
It
feels
like
it
was
yesterday,
but
I
encourage
you
to
look
for
these
interopathons
if
not
to
participate,
but
just
dial
in
for
an
hour
and
and
listen
and
watch.
A
What's
going
on,
because
it's
fascinating
to
take
what
you
hear
in
these
sessions
and
actually
see
it
going
on
in
front
of
your
eyes
with
multiple
Enterprises
organizations,
institutions
on
there
showing
what
they're
doing
and
having
their
credentials
passed
between
wallets
and
being
verified
by
each
other.
Even
if
it's
not
use
case
specific
they're
trying
to
prove
the
interoperability
of.
What's
underneath.
B
B
Formats
are
so
so
there's
it's
certainly
early
days
on
that,
but
you're
exactly
right.
That
is
the
the
future.
Once
we
once
we
get
everybody
marching
the
same
direction
on
the
credential
specification
and
it's
and
that's,
and
that's
not
that
far
away
right
I
mean
I
think
this
is
coming
fast.
So
again,
how
do
we
expedite
it
get
involved
right?
Everyone
in
this
room
get
involved,
it's
easy!
B
A
D
C
D
A
Endorsement
of
your
session
tomorrow,
because
he's
done
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
over
the
last
couple
years
and
you
should
go
look
at
the
unicc's
project
and
development.
They've
won
awards
for
it
and
I
watch
your
work
closely.
So
congratulations
on
everything
in
the
progress
that
you've
made
in
your
team
so
definitely
encourage
you
to
go
to
a
session
and
also
talk
with
them
in
the
hall
about
his
team
and
what
they've
been
doing
perfect
so
I
think
we've
used
our
time
and
yeah.
So
thank
you.