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Shashank is the Chief Technology Officer of UN ICC and heads the Solution Architecture Section. With over 21 years of experience in diverse industry verticals from telecoms, Air Transport, Financial and Energy sectors, working in start-ups to Fortune-500 companies; Shashank has been with the UN ICC for last 4 years. He started his career in hands-on security penetration testing, “smashing the stack for fun and profit”. Over the years he has lived in various part of world – Middle East, Canada, UK and now working for the UN, in Switzerland. Beyond the buzzwords, his strength is to apply deep technical knowledge to transform business activities. As George Bernard Shaw puts it “Happy is the man who can make a living by his hobby” – apart from his hobby of tinkering with technology, Shashank also loves trekking.
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A
Awesome
so
just
to
quickly
kind
of
get
started.
We
have
a
couple
announcements
for
some
upcoming
events.
The
first
one
is
the
hyperledger
global
forum
that
will
take
place
between
june
8th
and
june
10th,
there's
quite
a
lineup
of
various
speakers
panels.
So
I
highly
encourage
you
guys
to
take
a
look.
Here's
the
link
to
that
and
you
can
register
this
will
be
a
virtual
event
because
of
the
pandemic
so
feel
free
to
join
and
call
in
from
wherever
you
may
be
across
the
globe.
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A
At
this
point,
we're
really
looking
forward
to
any
comments,
suggestions
for
the
next
release,
as
well
as
interest
from
the
overall
community.
So
if
you
guys
are
interested
in
publishing
a
blog
post
as
it
pertains
to
social
impact,
please
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
us
via
our
mailing
list
and
we'd
be
happy
to
to
look
into
those
opportunities.
A
Another
thing
is
the
hyperledger
social
impact
new
linkedin
page,
so
we
are
officially
a
linkedin
company
page.
So
please
add
us
on
on
linkedin
and
follow
us,
and
if
you
have
any
announcements
that
you
would
like
to
make
any
you
know
different
activities
that
are
going
on
in
this
community.
Please
do
let
us
know
so
that
we
can
highlight
those
via
linkedin.
A
A
So
if
you
have
you
know
any
recommendations
or
know
of
any
folks
that
might
be
interested
in
participating,
these
are
paid
opportunities
so
for
especially
for
students
that
are
looking
for
summer
internships.
The
application
for
this
closes
may
7th.
So
please
keep
that
in
mind
and
feel
free
to
pass
along
this
information
to
students,
as
that
might
be,
that
might
be
interested
in
participating
so
to
kind
of
quickly
get
started.
So
we
actually
have
a
really
exciting
community
presentation
planned
in
store
for
today,
so
shawshank.
A
B
B
Lovely
well
nancy,
and
everyone
thank
you
for
for
having
me
and
giving
the
opportunity
to
really
share
some
of
the
work
we
are
doing
here,
which
is
what
what
we
call
the
un
digital
id
project
and
and
just
walk
through
this.
But
please
let's
try
and
keep
it
as
interactive
as
possible
to
ask
questions.
You
know
I'll,
try
and
answer
most
of
them
to
the
best
of
my
ability.
I
do
have
some
people
from
my
team.
B
Also
here
I
can
see
pablo
is
here
and
then
you
know
it
gets
too
deep
technical,
then
I'm
sure
pablo
will
be
able
to
handle
it
for
me
right.
So
a
quick
introduction
about
who
we
are
what's
what's
united
nations
international
computing
center,
so
we
were
established
50
years
ago.
Actually,
and
if
you
see
my
video
feed
my
background
sort
of
says
our
our
golden
jubilee
is
being
celebrated
by
a
resolution
of
the
u.n
general
assembly.
B
You
know
that
big
tall
building
in
new
york,
the
idea
and
the
intent
then
was
to
have
a
international
computing
center,
because
three
organizations,
the
world
health
organization,
united
nations
development
program
and
the
humane
un
itself
were
looking
to
buy
a
mainframe
to
process
payroll
so
rather
than
sort
of
buying
three
mainframes,
because
it
was
expensive,
they
bought
one
and
they
set
up
icc
to
actually
manage
and
run
it
as
part
of
you,
and
obviously
we
are
a
not-for-profit
entity.
We
officially,
we
are
administratively
hosted
by
the
world
health
organization.
B
B
B
Let
me
just
very
quickly
introduce
myself,
so
I
run
what
is
called
the
solution
architecture
section
here
at
icc
and
I'm
the
chief
technology
officer
and
really
blessed
to
have
an
amazing
team
to
work
with
and
and
try
out
some
really
cutting-edge
projects,
kind
of
work
we
are
doing
by
way
of
our
association
with
hyperledger.
We
are
an
associate
member
and
and
the
two
sort
of
highlighted
pieces
of
technology
that
you
see
we
are
already
using
it.
B
They
are
actually
in
production
deployment
and,
as
I
walk
through
this
digital
id
use
case
that
we
are
implementing,
I
will
highlight
a
particular
point
where
we
do
have
a
in
production
system
now
using
hyperledger
indian
aries
to
be
used
in
a
specific
use
case
right.
So
what
is
digital
id,
and
I
do
apologize
to
the
the
group
here
if
they
already
sort
of
know
this,
but
generally
depending
upon
the
nature
of
the
audience
I'm
interacting
with.
I
find
it
quite
useful
to
set
the
context
slightly
philosophical.
B
When
we
talk
about
identity,
I
think
we
all
will
agree
that
identity
is
not
just.
You
know
my
my
first
name,
my
last
name
or
an
email
address.
Identity
is
far
more
than
that.
It
depends
on
my
social
status,
my
economic
status.
So
the
fact
that
I'm
I'm
you
know
married
or
when
I
have
a
family-
and
I
have
a
kid
form,
a
part
of
my
identity.
I
have
a
certain
ethnicity
forms,
a
part
of
maternity.
B
B
So,
for
example,
I
might
get
a
birth
certificate
from
a
municipality
or
a
borough
or
a
state
which
you
may
trust
and
say
yes,
okay,
this
birth
certificate
says
your
name
is
shashankara,
so
we'll
trust
that
as
a
fact,
so
we
have
a
mutually
trusted
third
party,
who
is
attesting
certain
facts
about
me,
which
then
you
can
consume
and
but
it's
not
just
one
mutually
interested
third
party.
There
are
multiple,
mutually
trusted
third
parties,
and
they
attest
certain
facts
about
me
to
make
up
my
identity.
B
So
when
we
talk
about
identity,
I
think
what
what
at
least
I
have
seen
as
we
were
socializing
this
particular
project
across
the
u.n
itself.
Was
this
misnomer
that
you
know,
if
you
have
an
active
directory
account?
That's
my
identity.
I
believe
that's
just
a
account.
It's
a
set
of
username
and
password.
Yes,
over
a
period
of
time,
given
the
challenges
that
these
accounts
had,
we
have
added
layers
of
security.
B
On
top
of
it
and
and
in
a
way
one
can
say,
biometric
two
factor,
authentication
or
multi-factor
authentication
based
on
biometric-
might
be
attesting
to
the
fact
that
a
set
of
username
and
passwords
that
I'm
supplying
are
uniquely
owned
by
me,
but
that
still
sort
of
just
talks
about
one
piece
of
information
that
is
his
shashank.
Has
this
username
and
password
because,
as
a
multi-factor
authentication,
he's
biometrically
proved
it.
It
does
not
bring
with
me
all
other
attributes
of
my
identity
together.
B
So
when
we
talk
about
identity
in
the
digital
world,
I
think
all
of
us
know
this
very
famous
cartoon
from
peter
steiner
and
then,
which
was
published
in
the
new
yorker,
which
primarily
says
that
on
the
internet,
nobody
knows
you're
a
dog.
So
what
does
that
mean
for
digital
identity,
for
digital
identity?
B
If
one
may
call
it
so
again,
I
will
not
claim
of
having
done
made
this
diagram
there's
a
link
over
there.
It's
a
very
interesting
write
up
on
the
state
of
identity
on
the
web
today,
but
assuming
I'm
assuming
most
of
us
are
familiar
with
what
this
is.
This
is
really
us
as
an
end
user
who
have
a
shared
seated
with
an
identity
provider.
Not
this
could
be
microsoft.
This
could
be
google.
This
could
be
facebook,
linkedin
or
our
organizations.
B
B
So
this
is
the
the
current
state
of
open
id
connect
and
and
how
identity
is
proven
on
internet
now
and
the
reason
I
call
this
slide
the
hammer
and
the
nail
is
because
when
again
I
was
socializing
this
this
project
across
the
u.n,
the
the
idea
was
okay.
Fine,
we,
we
think
decentralized
identity
is,
is
the
hammer.
So
what
is
that
nail?
We
are
trying
to
hit
what
is
that
problem
we
are
trying
to
solve
and
and
thus
does
the
title
of
the
slide.
B
I
take
out
this
piece
of
plastic,
I
hand
it
over
to
the
policeman
and
he
looks
at
it.
He
trusts
that
piece
of
plastic
because
of
certain
physical
characteristics,
to
sort
of
indicate
that
it
has
not
been
tampered
with.
It's
not
a
fake
counterfeit
copy
and
looks
at
the
details
that
are
there
and
accepts
those
details
as
facts,
or
he
may
also
do
a
verification
with
some
back-end
system
and
then
sort
of
allows
me
to
move
on,
etc.
B
So
in
the
digital
world,
what
we
get
the
equivalent
would
be
that
an
issuer
which
is
what
is
called
an
identity
provider
in
odc,
has
issued
me
a
credential
and
when
I
need
to
access
some
digital
system,
I'm
actually
going
to
the
verifier
and
saying
hey
here
is
a
set
of
credentials.
I
have
and
I'm
sure
technically
you'll
I'll,
be
corrected.
B
After
sort
of
talking
about
the
use
cases
for
us
in
u.n
yeah,
some
other
terms,
people
might
be
familiar
with
sovereign
identity,
decentralized,
identity,
verifiable
credentials,
I
believe,
fundamentally,
self-sovereign
identity
is
a
slight
misnomer.
I
mean
whenever
it
was
conceived.
I
think
it
has
led
to
a
lot
of
wrong
perceptions.
B
I'll
be
honest
with
you
when
I
started
sort
of
looking
into
this
when
a
use
case
came
up
for
icc
to
build
a
solution
using
decentralization
and
I
started
reading
about
it.
My
first
impression
when
I
read
self-sovereign
identity
was
well.
This
seems
to
be
you
know,
long-lived
the
revolution
power
to
the
people
and
we
don't
need
a
state.
B
I
obviously,
as
I
went
into
the
details
of
technology,
I
realized
it's
a
different
concept,
but
I
think
that
that
still
hangs
quite
a
lot
when
the
discussions
around
decentralized
identities
start
about
what
self-sovereign
identity
means,
and
that
is
another
reason
you
see
the
sovereign
head
of
a
head
of
the
state
on
the
top
left
in
the
slide
right.
So
what's
your
digital
identity-
and
this
is
actually
a
youtube
video.
So
if
the
slides
are
shared
and
if
you
can
go,
you
can
also
go
on
youtube.
You
can
look
it
up.
B
B
But
you
might
come
across
some
of
those
videos
that
were
built
around
the
human
digital
id
video
that
we
had
released.
Okay.
So
what
is
that
digital
identity
solution
that
we
are
trying
to
build
within
the
human
ecosystem
and
to
set
the
context?
This
is
a
slightly
inward
facing
solution.
We
are
working
now
in
the
sense
it's
meant
for
you
and
staff
and
consultant.
So
you
know
you
and
across
the
multiple
agencies,
agencies
that
are
out
there
on
the
globe.
B
There
are
roughly
about
200
220
000
people
who
work
for
different,
even
agencies,
and
this
is
really
trying
to
build
a
solution
so
that
there
is
a
lot
more
and
I'll
talk
about
the
use
cases
later
on
interoperability
between
different
un
agencies,
so
the
problems
that
we're
trying
to
solve
today
within
the
un
ecosystem.
If
you
look
at
an
agency
like
unhcr,
which
is
the
united
nations
high
commission
for
refugees,
they
are
responsible
for
helping
the
refugees
across
the
globe
or
the
world
food
program
or
united
nations
development
program.
B
B
B
The
the
inter
human
processes
are
so
complex
that
it
might
actually
take
hcr
if
it
wants
to
use
the
wfp
workforce.
It
might
take
hcr
about
two
to
three
weeks
before
it
is
able
to
onboard
some
of
those
wfp,
staff
and
consultants
and
say
hey.
Can
you
go
and
work
on
behalf
of
hcr
into
the
field
and
that's
one
example
where
humanitarian
aid
gets
stiffened
by
just
the
processes
that
we
are
all
slaves
off?
B
B
So
some
of
the
use
cases
that
we
looked
at
and
and
realized
the
sort
of
the
value
business
value
of
such
building
such
a
solution,
sort
of
the
return
on
investment,
as
I
mentioned-
onboarding
the
first
one.
So
the
estimation
is
that
if
we
have
to
do
inter-agency,
employee
transfer,
which
are
in
the
best
case,
takes
about
five
days.
B
So,
for
example,
in
south
sudan,
if
you
have
to
go
from
juba,
which
is
the
capital
of
south
sudan
to
what
is
called
deep
field
in
u.n,
a
town
called
bento.
There
is
one
flight
that
word
food
program
operates.
There's
a
wfp
flight
which
flies
once
per
week
from
juba
to
bantu
and
imagine
if
hcr
staff
has
to
not
travel
there.
The
amount
of
logistics
and
the
administrative
overheads
are
really
complicated,
so
those
are
the
kind
of
use
cases
we
were
looking
to
solve
those
business
problems.
B
You're
looking
to
solve
with
this
solution,
we're
building
right,
so
different
user
stories.
I
have
I've
sort
of
spoken
about
a
few
of
them
so,
rather
than
reading
off
the
sliders
try
and
talk
through
some
of
these
pieces,
the
idea
that
we
can
see
was
that
the
inception
of
a
person's
identity
within
the
u.n
really
starts
when
they
are
about
to
join
any
un
organization
for
the
first
time.
B
B
B
B
I
would
do
that.
My
app
would
connect
to
the
unit
cr
systems.
It
will
pull
the
credentials
which
I'll
store
in
my
mobile
app
and
now
that's
a
set
of
credentials
that
I
have
from
ncr.
Now
I
need
to
get
some
medical
checkups
done
and
I
need
some
medical
clearance
and
I
go
to
who
the
world
health
organization
and
they
typically
today
we
carry
this
little
yellow
book
where
we
carry
our
vaccinations,
especially
for
field
missions.
B
B
Sorry
before
you
all
start
thinking
of
tom
tom
cruise
and
mission
impossible
mission
in
human
context
means
when
you
have
to
travel
for
work,
so
business
travel
is
the
mission
for
us,
nothing
very
fancy,
and
I
can
tell
you
we
don't
go
to
very
fancy
places.
So
if
you
have
to
deploy
on
a
mission,
we
can
use
this
to
exchange
information.
The
example
I
gave
you
know
so,
if
I'm
I'm
I'm
working
for
unhcr,
but
I
want
to
take
that
flight
from
juba
to
bend
2,
which
is
operated
by
wfp.
B
Wfp,
obviously
needs
to
know
my
details
and
needs
to
make
sure
that
one
I've
been
cleared
by
the
undss
systems
to
take
that
flight.
I
am
really
a
unhcr
staff
and
you
know
I
am
approved
for
the
mission,
the
work
that
I'm
going
to
do
in
juba
or
sorry
in
bantu
and
today,
as
I
said,
the
administrative
paperwork
is
quite
overwhelming,
but
what,
if
all
that
information
was
actually
stored
as
credentials
in
my
mobile
app?
B
B
Vaccination
records,
because
today,
as
I
said,
we
carry
this
little
yellow
book
from
who.
So
we
can
store
those
records
in
in
the
mobile
wallet.
This
is
an
interesting
one
again,
a
big
challenge
for
un.
So
when
we
get
deployed
to
field
missions
and
I
sort
of
walk
up
to
an
office
and,
let's
say
nairobi,
so
there's
a
big
presence
of
united
nations
in
nairobi
today,
my
id
card,
which
has
been
issued
by
who
is
not
honored
on
the
on
the
nairobi
gates.
B
I
will
have
to
present
either
my
national
passport
or
the
un
passport,
the
the
the
blue
booklet
to
prove
my
identity
to
the
guards.
Who
then
would
issue
me
a
new
card
to,
let
me
enter
into
union
office
in
nairobi
and
the
use
cases
we
are
exploring
is
that
if
I
can
just
use
my
mobile
phone
scan
a
qr
code
and
then
the
gates
or
the
guards
know
that?
B
B
This
is
the
one
which
we
already
have
in
production
and
in
an
odd
way,
actually
was
the
our
the
inception
for
icc
to
start
using
the
hyperledger
indian
aries
set
of
products
yeah
in
a
way,
if
you
think
of
it,
it's
quite
funny.
We
started
with
a
retirement
use
case
and
we
are
working
our
wealth
ourselves
backwards.
B
B
B
Now
the
address
or
the
location
is
important,
because
our
u.n
pensions
get
adjusted
to
cost
of
living
indexes
of
different
countries.
So
if
I
say
that
I
am
going
to
retire
in
switzerland,
obviously
my
pension
might
be
a
tad
bit
higher
than
somebody
who
says.
Let's
say
I'm
going
to
retire
in
south
of
spain
contextually
just
for
people
who
are
not
from
this
geography.
B
B
Obviously
they
would
try
to
you
know,
control
it
as
much
as
possible.
So
if
somebody's
living
for
120
years,
that's
a
sort
of
immediate
red
flag
to
say
well
looks
like
somebody
else
is
signing
the
paper
on
the
behalf
you
know
of
this
person,
but
within
a
reasonable
range.
It
was
difficult
for
them
to
determine
what
is
working.
What
is
not
working
and
it
was
also
quite
frustrating
for
the
beneficiaries,
because
the
postal
mail,
you
you,
try
and
imagine
postal
services
in
198
countries,
it
may
be
fast
and
efficient
somewhere.
B
It
might
not
be
efficient
in
other
places.
You
know
so
mail
is
quite
unreliable,
so
there
was
risk
at
times
when
people
would
post
the
form
back,
yet
it
won't
arrive
and
their
pensions
might
stop,
because
the
fund
sort
of
didn't
get
the
signed
form.
So
they
were
looking
for
a
solution
to
solve
the
problem
and
what
we
did
for
them
and,
in
the
truest
sense
really
we
did
not
need
a
decentralized
site.
Well,
we
needed
decentralized
id.
We
did
not
really
need
a
blockchain
or
hybrid
d.
B
B
The
fund
is
quite
sensitive,
they're
quite
heavily
audited,
and
they
really
want
any
new
system
to
have
clear
track
of
what
is
being
done,
and
thus
they
wanted
an
immutable
database
behind
it.
So
the
solution
that
we
built
for
them
is
a
mobile
app,
which
the
beneficiaries
use
in
the
field.
What
it
does
is
it
creates
a
biometric
profile
of
their
face.
Then
they
undergo
an
onboarding
process
with
the
pension
fund
call
center
using
the
mobile
app
you
know,
so
they
scan
and
upload
a
government
issued
photo
id.
B
They
get
on
a
call
with
the
call
center
operator
who
looks
at
the
government
issued
photo
id
looks
at
the
video
call,
that's
going
on
and
looks
at
the
profile
picture,
the
biometric
profile
picture.
They
have
taken
and
says
yeah
there,
it's
the
same
person
and
then
this
person
at
the
required
time
is
prompted
to
open
the
mobile
app
again.
B
The
biometric
features
are
matched
and
they
are
expected
to
perform
certain
random
actions
such
as
you
know,
smiling
or
or
closing
and
opening
eyes,
etc,
just
to
ensure
that
their
loved
ones
are
not
holding
a
photograph
in
front
of
the
mobile
phone
and
it's
actually
a
live
person.
We
are
dealing
with.
Obviously
we
can
trap
their
location
and
all
this
information
is
then
packaged
as
a
transaction
and
sent
to
the
back
end
where
it
is
recorded
in
in
hyperledger.
B
Indeed,
in
this
particular
use
case,
the
mobile
wallets-
the
aries
wallets,
are
actually
sitting
in
our
data
center,
so
they
are
what
one
would
call
cloud
wallet
so
sitting
in
our
data
center
now.
The
reason
I
went
into
so
much
detail
on
this
particular
solution
is,
as
I
said,
we
started
with
this.
This
is
now
in
production,
so
we've
got
a
production
instance
of
india
and
aries
and
whatnot.
B
You
have
it
since
it's
been
about
three
months
now,
the
solution
was
launched
and
from
this
the
idea
of
actually
trying
to
extend
that
whole
nd
aries
solution
across
to
a
proper
decentralized
id
was
born
and,
and
the
bulk
of
the
discussion
I
had
earlier
on.
The
speech
I
made
was
really
based
on
this
idea.
Then
hey,
let's
take
this
now
we
know
how
to
operate.
Indeed,
we
know
how
to
play
with
aries.
Let's
move
it
forward,
let's
try
and
build
a
digital
id
and
solve
the
problem
right.
B
What
did
we
do
for
mvp
very
quickly
and
the
tech
and
that's
sort
of
the
last
two
slides
and
then
happy
to
take
field?
The
questions
what
we
have
wait
for
the
mvp
to
demonstrate
the
fact
that
how
this
all
will
work
is
we've
got
three,
the
the
the
ledger
itself,
india,
etc
nodes
running
in
three
different
agencies:
the
word
food
program,
the
united
nations
high
commission
for
refugees
and
ourselves.
B
We
have
got
our
line
of
business
erp
hr
systems
which
interact
with
the
middleware
that
we
have
built
and
I'll
go
into
more
details
of
it
in
the
next
slide.
What
is
that
middleware?
What
is
the
intention
here
and
then
it
sort
of
interacts
with
the
whole-
and
this
is
I
I
admit,
it's
very,
very
abstract.
This
was
meant
for
hr
directors
and
and
further
senior
management
in
different
un
organizations.
B
So
I
didn't
want
to
go
into
too
much
detail
of
occupy
agents
and
and
wallets
and
and
nodes,
and
you
know,
stewards
etc,
but
happy
to
go
into
those
details
in
this
call
here.
So
we've
got
for
them.
It
was
just
here:
you've
got
a
blockchain.
You've
got
different
nodes
running
they're
talking
to
each
other.
We've
got
the
api
layer,
the
erps
are
communicating
with
the
api.
B
We
have
a
mobile
wallet
in
a
mobile
app.
The
user
information
at
the
time
of
onboarding
is
pumped
from
the
erp.
Why
the
api,
and
then
the
issuing
agents
or
the
issuing
wallets
for
different
agencies
would
issue
a
credential
to
the
the
user.
Here.
This
is
the
journey
as
I
described
that
the
user
receives
an
email
which
is
what
our
api
layer
does.
It
sends
an
email
to
the
user
and
and
it's
got
a
link
which
is
deep
linking
so
if
they
tap
on
it,
it
just
opens
up
the
app.
B
B
What
we
have
is
the
new
ndss
trip
system,
which
has
been
modified
to
accept
another
identity
provider
and
let's
say
when
this
user
tries
to
access
this
unds
strip
system.
What
this
und
subscript
system
does
is
we
have
built
another
piece
of
port,
the
open
id
connect
to
a
did
bridge
and
so
for
the
dss
strip
system.
It's
just
looking
at
an
identity
provider,
an
open
id
identity
provider.
B
The
reason
we
did
this
bit
and
the
reason
we
did
this
bit
is
again
just
to
ease
the
integration
with
existing
systems.
So
we
sort
of
made
an
explicit
decision
will
not
talk.
Native
did.
I
know
there
is
an
extension
to
open
idc
protocol
to
actually
allow
it
to
communicate
again
with
verifiable
credentials.
B
We
explicitly
made
a
decision
not
to
go
that
route
so
that
these
integrations
become
easier
again,
because
we
are
dealing
with
multiple
human
entities,
the
smoother
we
can
make
the
whole
black
magic
for
them.
You
know
it's
a
sort
of
hey
just
this
simple
change
and
you
can
use
this
the
better.
It
is
for
adoption
of
the
system.
B
So
this
is
what
we
decided
to
be
the
minimum
viable
product
to
really
demonstrate
the
concept
to
within
the
human
ecosystem
in
the
u.n
management.
This
has
been
built
and
completed.
Now
and
now
we
are
really
looking
to
start
moving
and
enhancing
the
system
with
different
use
cases
so
bring
in
some
hr
use
cases
bring
in
some
physical
access,
security,
use
cases
and
start
building.
On
top
of
this
middle,
the
block
or
the
work,
we
have
done,
the
stack
breakdown.
B
As
I
said,
we
have
indy
with
the
trustees
keywords
and
the
validator
nodes
running
in
different
organizations
in
terms
of
agent.
We
are
using
cloud
sorry
echapai
as
the
cloud
agent.
We
today
have
the
akapai
as
a
mediator
agent
as
well
to
talk
to
the
mobile
wallets,
and
that's
because
we
were
using
the
react
native
framework
actually
working
within
vco
on
that
one
I
think
I
saw
james
is
in
the
call
here
so
we're
working
with
that.
B
But
then
we
all
jointly
made
the
decision
to
switch
over
to
the
new
javascript
framework,
the
one
which
the
the
group
collectively
said
to
use
so
pablo
who's
from
my
team
on
the
call
here
he's
helping
use
that
consume
that
and
also
to
whatever
extent
possible,
contribute
back
to
the
community
and
obviously,
once
we
switch
over
to
this
framework,
we
will
not
need
the
mediator
agents,
our
id
manager
and
oidc
bridge
the
two
pieces
of
work.
We
have
explicitly
done
separately.
B
They
are
available
on
our
github
pages.
The
idea
of
the
id
manager,
which
is
a
django
app,
is
really
to
decouple
and
allow
the
erp
integration.
So
today
it
just
takes
us
it's
just
sort
of
single
api
endpoint,
which
consumes
which
takes
in
a
bunch
of
attributes
and
splits
them
across
into
three
different
credentials:
core
credential,
personal
credential
and
duty
credentials.
B
Our
roadmap.
The
next
set
of
features
we
are
adding
to
it
is
a
full
schema
lifecycle
management,
because
the
idea
is
that
each
of
these
agencies
can
then
publish
their
own
schema
and
start
issuing
credentials
against
those
schemas.
So
they
can
then
actually
retire,
existing
schemas,
update
them
and
or
add
new
schemas
as
they
so
want,
and
also
the
whole
credential
lifecycle
part
to
be
introduced
in
the
id
manager.
So
you
can
sort
of
revoke
the
credential.
So
if
somebody
leaves
the
organization
they
are,
the
exit
procedure
takes
place
in
the
hr
system.
B
We
don't
want
somebody
coming
in
making
changes
on
this
end.
All
that
does
is
automatically
the
hr
system
automatically
triggers
the
right
apis
and
the
credentials
are
revoked.
So
all
those
pieces
would
really
be
sitting
at
this
api
level
and
that's
what
you're
calling
the
id
manager
piece
the
oidc
bridge
is
really
the.
As
I
mentioned,
it
is
an
identity
provider.
The
intention
is
that
it
will
ease
integration
with
existing
systems
and-
and
we
are
passing
quite
doing
some
silly
things
actually
as
well,
for
example
in
this
dss
strip
system.
B
If
this
particular
user
is
doesn't
exist,
they're
trying
to
access
this
system
for
the
first
time
we
are
actually
the
syllabus
we
are
doing
is.
We
are
basically
passing
some
attributes
claims
in
the
jwt
token,
which
then
the
system
uses
to
create
the
account,
but
the
system
can
implicitly
trust
the
fact
that
it
can
take.
The
attributes
that
are
coming
in
in
the
jwt
token
and
and
create
a
new
user
in
itself
is
because
it's
actually
trusting
the
whole
token
itself
coming
from
the
bridge
and
the
bid
and
and
to
acknowledge
and
shout
out.
B
This
was
really
inspired
by
the
work
that
was
done
by
the
government
of
british
columbia.
They,
they
do
have
a
page
on
github.
Their
implementation
was
in.net.
The
team.
I
have
the
pleasure
of
working.
We
are
all
mostly
python
and
react
native,
etcetera
people,
so
we
just
said
it's
easier
and
faster
for
us
to
put
it
into
python
and
and
start
using
it.
So
that's
the
reason
it
is
it's.
It's
been
done
in
python
and
yeah.
That's
pretty
much
it
from
my
side,
nancy.
A
C
B
So
today,
we've-
as
I
said,
brian,
we
finished
mvp.
So
that's
broadly
three
agencies,
the
one
you
saw
on
the
screen
connected.
We
so
the
way
I
like
to
sort
of
say
in
you
and
we
like
to
form
committees
and
we
move
with
slightly
glacial
pace.
So
we
are
waiting
to
form
two
sets
of
committees,
one
hr
committee
and
one
we
have
a
working
group
on
physical
security.
B
These
two
committees
are
being
formed.
The
intention
of
these
two
committees
is
to
then
look
and
and
come
up
with
what
are
the
two
or
three
or
four
major
use
cases
they
would
like
to
see
covered
and
hopefully,
over
the
course
of
summer,
once
these
committees
have
been
formed.
Intention
is
to
start
rolling
those
use
cases
that
they
have
identified
by
till
end
of
this
year.
B
We
do
anticipate
another
at
least
two
other
u.n
agencies
to
join
this
and
again,
though
they're
quite
large
unagencies.
So
in
essence,
we
will
have
five
unagencies,
the
current
three
and
so
the
current
four.
Actually,
because
we
are
working
with
un
secretary
as
well
plus
the
two
new
ones,
and
hopefully,
by
end
of
this
year,
we
are
able
to
produce
at
least
one
or
two
hr
use
cases
and
put
it
into
production.
B
Having
said
that,
the
the
pension
fund,
which
was
obviously
didn't,
require
multiple
agency
cooperation
that
is
already
in
production.
So
there
we
are
running
in
dna
reason.
What
not
you
have
it
and
that's
already
production,
I
think.
Last
I
checked,
we've
got
roughly
6000
beneficiaries
who
have
downloaded
and
installed
the
app
and
have
you
know,
registered
themselves
through
the
app
so
we've
referee
got
six
thousand
cloud
wallets.
If
I
put
it
this
way
in
the
jspf
solution
in
production.
C
Yeah
that
I
mean
understandably,
organizations
like
yours
move
at
a
certain
pace
and
I
think
we're
all
grateful
for
the
consideration
and
care
that
is
put
into
such
moves.
But
but
that's
that's,
actually
really
remarkable
progress.
That's
cool
to
hear-
and
I
was
intrigued
by
seeing
world
food
program
there,
who've
done
a
lot
of
other
kind
of
blockchain,
related
kind
of
payments
projects
and
the
like,
you
know,
are
they
looking
at
this
or
are
there
un
agencies
looking
at
this
as
a
way
to
extend
what
you're
doing
for
kind
of
internal?
C
B
Yeah
so
again,
as
as
as
we
are
sort
of
hydra,
multi-headed
beast
there.
Yes,
the
one
just
acknowledge
the
wfp
program,
which
was
based
on
ethereum
for
payments
and
has
been
quite
successful.
Actually
so
human
hadad,
who
is
being
one
of
the
key
persons
behind
that
program,
is
also
broadly
working
with
us
on
the
digital
id
on
this
particular
program
from
what
what
food
program
site
also
in
terms
of
taking
it
down
to
substantive
programs
of
un.
B
C
C
You
know
potentially,
but
but
certainly
scaling
down
to
those
who
don't
have
such
phones
is
really
is
a
priority
for
folks
on
that
side,
and
so
there's
I'll
try
to
drop
a
link
from
the
outcome
of
that
summit
in
the
chat.
If
I
can
find
it
within
the
hour,
I
want
to
create
room
for
other
questions.
Otherwise
I
could.
I
could
ask
questions
for
the
rest
of
the
hour
if
you
wanted,
but
yeah.
Let
me
leave
room
for
that
for
others
to
ask
a
question
right
now.
B
C
C
Report
wasn't
I'm
not
sure
this
is
something
you
can
show
to
others
yet
because
it's
still
kind
of
a
work
in
progress
figuring
out
how
to
do
this
for
vaccination
credentials,
but
but
but
surely,
there's
there's
lots
of
pocs
kind
of
showing
that
it's
that
it's
possible,
but
you
only
get
like
800
bytes
to
play
with
or
something
like
that
in
a
typical
qr
code.
So
it's
really,
I
might
even
be
wrong,
might
be
800
bits
or
something.
It's
super
tiny,
but
very
cool
to
hear.
A
C
I
do
have
one
more
and
please
I
I
if
anyone
else
does,
I
want
to
you,
know,
make
create
the
space
for
others
to
ask.
But
you
know
one
of
the
challenges
in
this
domain
is
right.
Now
there
are
plenty
of
startups
offering
commercial
support
for
indian
aries,
but
it
hasn't
yet
been
picked
up
by
the
major
companies.
C
Major
I.t
companies,
although
I
think
accenture
has
started
to
do
in
and
aries
but
related
projects
out
there,
but
but
by
and
large
you
know
if
one
were
to
go,
look
for
you
know
headline
commercial
support
from
a
from
a
microsoft
or
an
ibm
or
an
amazon.
It's
not
quite
there.
How
much
of
that
is
a
barrier
to
adoption
by
organizations
like
the
u.n.
B
So
I
I
don't
know,
sort
of
call
us
stupid
call
us
smart
call
us
to
adventurers
so
when,
when
we
started
the
the
jspf
the
pension
fund
project
again,
a
lot
of
this
was
quite
an
infancy
and
it
was
really
a
leap
of
faith.
In
fact,
at
that
point,
in
time,
aries
did
not
even
exist
as
a
project,
so
we
within
the
pension
fund
and
ourselves.
B
We
knew
we
are
taking
making
a
leap
of
faith,
and
this
is
where
I
like
always
like
to
say,
standing
on
the
shoulders
of
giants,
so
the
team
that
that
that
I
worked
with
at
icc.
I
was
quite
confident
that
if
we
run
into
some
sort
of
trouble
we'll
be
able
to
handle
most
of
it
ourselves
or
seek
community
support
and
and
and
go
along
with
it,
so
yeah
at
that
stage,
the
idea
of
having
some
sort
of
potential
commercial
support.
B
B
But
this
is
this:
if
it
takes
the
shape
that
we
are
trying
to
give
it,
it
is
getting
quite
strategic
for
icc
and
then
we
start
investing
in
our
own
people
and
building
up
the
team
to
have
that
cushion
ourselves
to
be
able
to
absorb
some
of
the
support
needs,
but
yeah
I
can.
I
can
see
in
in
number
of
other
places,
especially
if
you
are
not
because
we
are
an
I.t
shop.
Eventually,
you
know
600,
650
or
techies
playing
with
all
sorts
of
technology.
So
we
can.
B
We
can
handle
that,
but
I
can.
I
can
see.
Certainly
somebody
if
it
was
a
word
for
program,
doing
it
themselves
or
or
unhcr
doing
it
themselves.
They
would
have
really
looked
to
have
strong
substantive
support
available
and
they
do
realize
it's
a
big
challenge,
because
typically
the
procurement
teams
would
go
out
and
look
at
that
in
brat
street
ratings
and
other
ratings
for
different
organizations.
So
it
would
not
just
even
be
the
case
of
you
know:
here's
a
startup
of
10
people
and
they'll
be
able
to
support
you.
B
A
C
B
Right,
yeah
yeah,
if
I
may
brand
so,
if
you
sort
of
take
that
you
and
beast
and
slightly
dissect
it,
it
becomes
quite
interesting.
So,
as
I
said
internally
focused
pieces
still
a
lot
of
hesitation
right,
then
there
is
the
normative
side
of
it.
So,
for
example,
who
has
a
working
group-
and
I
think
including
their
work
as
well,
on
the
digital
yellow
pass
and
that
normative
working
group
in
who,
which
has
small,
big,
multiple
players
trying
to
come
up
with
the
standard
for
this
is
one
part,
the
smart.
B
Yeah
yeah
I'll
have
to
dig
out
the
name
I
sort
of
don't
remember
from
top
of
my
head,
but
then,
if
you
see
the
role
of
who
per
se,
there
is
the
secretariat
role,
you
know
so
the
working
group
is
formed
and
they
just
act
as
the
secretariat.
You
know
in
a
way
the
way
hyperledger
foundation,
for
example,
is
working.
You
know
you're
sort
of
just
supporting
the
community
to
come
together.
B
The
ibm
bit
that
you
mentioned
is,
I
think,
with
germany,
which
I
guess
then
becomes
the
eu
standard
in
a
way
the
brits
are
talking
about
it,
so
I
don't
know
what
they
will
go
with
highly
likely
just
follow
what
he
would
do.
So
those
conversations
then,
and
as
as
that
adoption
occurs,
I
think
that
will
then
start
inferencing
the
standards
as
well.
B
You
know
a
a
refugee
camp
in
myanmar
or
a
refugee
camp
in
in
syria
or
yemen
or
somewhere
they.
They
know
the
pain
point,
but
we
really
need
a
break
to
be
able
to
convince
them
and
then
implement
the
solution,
and
it's
not
probably
as
conclusive
as
you
wanted.
Brian.
I
just
sort
of
putting
the
dots
out
there
to
see
what
the
picture
is
for
you.
C
C
I
can
pull
up
the
link
for
that,
but,
as
a
you
know,
in
a
country,
obviously
with
a
particular
focus
on
the
full
spectrum
of
of
use
cases
it
and-
and
I
I
don't
wanna-
call
him
a
developing
nation,
because
I
I
hate
that
that
term,
because
india
has
been
a
you
know,
an
older
civilization
than
most
of
the
other
countries
in
the
world.
But
let
me
see
if
I
can
pull
up
the
the
link
to
that,
because
it's
a
fascinating
project.
B
And
I
think
what
I
haven't
gone
through
details
of
it,
but
just
talking
about
india,
I
know
they
have
they've
recently
been
speaking
about
actually
doing
voting
over
blockchain
as
well
again,
don't
know
the
details.
What
is
the
underlying
platform
etc,
but
there
was
sort
of
something
that
came
around
and
just
sort
of
had
a
quick
glance
at
it
and,
honestly
speaking
about
india,
I
would
love
to
see
that
moved
into
decentralization.
I
think
it's
right
not
too
much
centralized.
In
my
humble
opinion,.
C
Yeah,
no
there's
a
it's
hard.
It's
hard
to
shift
from
a
centralized
world
view
to
a
decentralized
one.
It's
it's
kind
of
like
expecting
facebook
to
suddenly
wake
up
one
day
and
decide
to
be
a
decentralized
social
network.
It's
it's
very
hard
with
all
of
your
metrics
and
incentives
and
technology
infrastructure
is
built
around
a
centralized
concept.
That's
why
divock
is
interesting
because
I
believe
it
bootstraps
off
your
aadhaar
id,
but
then
issues
you
decentralized
credentials
that
aren't
you
know
essentially
stored
there
is.
C
There
is
a
central
record
of
who
those
credentials
have
been
issued
to,
but
it's
otherwise
follows
the
the
pattern
of
you
know
the
holder
having
having
all
the
power
in
that
in
that
setting.
So
I
yeah
it's
all
really
good
to
see.
Sorry,
I
don't
have
any
other
questions.
I
know
we're
at
a
time,
so
I
I'd
appreciate
this.
Thank
you.
Everyone
else
for
letting
me
hog
all
the
q
a
time
I
sincerely
apologize
for
that.