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From YouTube: Hyperledger Barcelona Meetup Pt. 1 - February 25, 2019
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Video from the February 25 Hyperledger Barcelona Meetup. Hyperledger Executive Director, Brian Behlendorf, recognized by the New York Times as one of the Top 10 Most Influential People in Blockchain, speaks about what Hyperledger has become since December 2015 when it was launched, and the road ahead for 2019.
There is also a Q&A session where Brian answers technical and non-technical questions.
You can join the group here:
https://www.meetup.com/Hyperledger-Barcelona/
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A
And
what
I
thought
I
would
do
is
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
you
know.
I
know
you're
all
here,
because
you
know
a
hyper
ledger.
You
might
have
know
some
of
the
history,
so
I
thought
I'd
just
walk
you
kind
of
through
where
it
came
from
I
and
then
come
of
what
we
did
this
past
year
and
then
some
things
coming
up
in
this
coming
year
that
we'd
love
to
have
you
all
involved
in
yeah.
A
Apologies,
I,
don't
have
slides,
I
apologies
also
for
wearing
on
a
suit
and
tie
there's
some
sort
of
event
going
on
on
the
other
side
of
the
stage
that
I
had
to
be
at
so
you
know,
I
much
prefer
ability
and
teacher
kind
of
fun.
So
so,
by
the
way,
my
background
I've
been
a
part
of
different
open-source
community
use
in
one
way
or
another
since
about
1991
when
I
first
got
on
with
that,
and
that
was
back
at
the
time
when
the
net
was
much
more
decentralized.
A
That's
a
word.
We
all
love
to
use
and
they
have
different
definitions
for,
but
it
was
a
time
when
people
ran
services
from
their
desktops
from
their
from
their
workstations
right.
You
would
run
a
mail
server
on
it.
You
would
run
a
mem
TP
server,
which
was
kind
of
a
precursor
to
the
web,
and
this
idea
of
the
Internet
as
being
this
network
of
peers
that
are
roughly
equivalent
and
of
all
talking
to
each
other,
wasn't
just
a
good
idea
that
it
was
like
the
reality
of
the
Internet.
A
At
the
time
yeah
there
were
mail
servers
and
yeah.
There
were
DNS
servers
and
some
degree
of
hierarchy
some
minimum
viable
centralization.
You
might
think
of
it
that
way,
but
this
is
before
I
can
this
was
before
Yahoo.
No.
This
was
before
Google
and
kind
of
a
lot
of
things
that
have
kind
of
resent
relized
a
lot
about
the
internet.
It's
been
about
and.
B
A
Jobs
and
then
a
series
of
night
jobs,
my
day,
jobs,
whether
the
worse
I
started
a
couple
of
companies
in
the
web
technology.
Space
I
worked
at
Wired
magazine
and
got
hit
online
I
put
the
first
ad
banner
online
and
don't
shoot
me
please
and
I'm
apologizing
and
then,
but
around
the
same
time
of
us
who
were
working
on
web
server
technologies
kind
of
playing.
With
this
thing
it
started
something
called
the
Apache
project,
which
became
the
Apache
Software
Foundation,
and
it's
the
whole
idea.
A
He
doesn't
find
forward.
The
Linux
Foundation
has
been
a
consortium
of
different
companies,
focused
on
building
common
technology
and
then
building
a
commercial
ecosystem
on
top
of
those
common
technologies.
Obviously,
initially
the
Linux
operating
system
we're
having
those
portables
work.
There
was
important,
but
couldn't
they
couldn't
afford
to
pay
all
of
the
other
fellers
right?
A
So
the
idea
was
to
have
just
a
little
bit
of
staff,
but
really
try
to
organize
the
efforts
of
these
thousands
of
volunteer
developers
out
there
from
trying
to
take
down
the
denigan
project,
we're
trying
to
shoot
down
canonical
and
then
with
people
like
HP
and
IBM,
and
all
these
other
players
in
there.
How
do
you
keep
them
all
from
killing
inadvertently
or
even
intentionally
the
the
thing
that
it
makes
this
whole
engine
work
right?
A
So
while
the
Linux
Foundation
was
figuring
this
out
and
the
Apache
Software
Foundation
kind
of
over
here
and
I
was
also
on
the
board
of
Mozilla
Foundation,
which
does
the
firefox
browser
still
on
that
board
in
parallelity,
another
I
was
I,
had
a
couple
of
companies
and
that
worked
at
the
White
House
worked
at
that
will
Dena
Maclaurin
and
a
CTO
and
we're.
You
know
right
around
the
late
2002
it's
when
everything
started
going
to
the
cloud
right
which
affect
an
open
source
to
some
degree
and
meant
that
fewer
people
were
running
a
software
themselves.
A
They
were
kind
of
depending
on
central
cloud
providers
to
run
it
for
them
and
other
one
is
open.
Service
became
so
common
that
it
kind
of
became
like
what
everybody
relieves
his
code.
Let's
all
do
our
own
versions
and
kind
of
like
chaotic
about
those
but
right,
but
around
2013
I
think
there
was
a
growing
sense
amongst
people
out
there
that
things
were
getting
too
centralized.
A
You
know
the
number
of
people
who
knew
how
to
run
the
Internet
services
was
starting
to
shrink
that
the
number
of
places
to
have
options
for
where
to
post
a
blog
or
where
to
host
a
mail
server
or
run
your
own
DNS.
That
was
becoming
a
harder
harder
thing
to
find,
and
that
seemed
to
be
something
that
was
slipping
away.
It
seemed
like
if
that
became,
to
verify
the
skill
set.
A
After
being
at
the
World
Economic
Forum
I
went
to
work
at
a
VC
firm
but
I,
see
as
I'm
doing
research
now
in
Bitcoin
and
doing
research
in
and
the
blockchain
technology
and
somewhat
skeptical
of
kind
of
the
chokin
driven
kind
of
ice,
I
driven
kind
of
nature
of
that,
but
really
compelled
by
use
cases
in
land,
titles
or
supply
chain,
or
these
other
things
to
try
to
build
this
kind
of
decentralized,
but
still
verifiable
and
beautiful
record
of
what
you
know.
What
is
reality?
What
goes
on
in
the
real
world?
A
Can
we
and
you
know,
use
it
to
trade
assets?
That
sort
of
thing
I
was
intrigued
by
all
of
these
news
cases.
People
were
talking
about
the
blockchain,
but
it's
like
does
it
have
to
be
associated
with
kind
of
scam,
artists
and
other
things
that
can
care
about
you
starting
back
then
right
and
when
I
saw
this
announcement
in
the
December
2015
I
was
like
okay,
this
makes
sense,
and
that
was
the
high
ledger
announcement
from
the
Linux
Foundation,
which,
in
that
time,
between
2004
and
2015,
and
not
only
figured
out
okay.
A
How
do
we
make
the
Linux
ecosystem
sustainable
right
and
again,
help
provide
an
economic
basis
for
thousands
of
devs
to
work
on
the
kernel
and
other
operating
parts
of
the
operating
system,
but
it
branched
out
into
telco
software
into
cloud
computing
into
open
source
software
that
sits
inside
of
automobiles
I
into
all
sorts
of
other
projects,
the
nodejs
foundation
and
the
JavaScript
foundation
yeah.
It
seemed
like
there
was
a
repeatable
pattern
here,
and
so
this
announcement
comes
up
right.
I
this
new
project
called
hyper
ledger.
A
We've
back
in
the
from
you
know:
open
source
software
companies
as
JPMorgan,
yes,
Itachi
and
all
these
weird
kind
of
things,
and
obviously
IBM
and
Intel
and
others,
and
it
kind
of
looked
to
me,
I'm
45
years
old,
so
I
get
to
say
this.
It
looked
like
a
45
year
old,
showing
up
at
a
skateboard
park
for
the
brand-new
skateboard
and
elbow
pads
and
knee
pads
and
out
of
these
cuffs
on
them.
A
You
know
standing
at
the
top
of
a
ramp
and
saying
hey
kids
hold
by
here
and
watch
this
right
and
he
doesn't
move
like
the
old
guard
wanting
to
be
cool
again
by
jumping
into
this
hikes.
Thing
called
watching,
but
I
thought
instead
after,
like
digging
in
and
then
going
through
some
of
their
kind
of
opening
such
what
is
they,
which
was
a
way
to
build,
distributed,
ledger
and
smart
continental
teams
in
a
way
that
did
not
have
been
upon
public
crypto
currency.
A
Now,
there's
a
lot
to
learn
from
Bitcoin
a
lot
to
learn
in
theory
about
how
to
do
these
kinds
of
things
at
scale.
But
fundamentally,
I
was
a
way
of
saying:
there's
lots
of
these
needs
out
there
for
figuring
out
how
to
get
a
community
of
organizations.
It
could
be
banks
and
cookies
people
in
a
supply
chain.
A
What
happens
in
Ryan
Wright
daily,
for
example,
or
one
company
by
uber
or
my
taxi
or
whatever
becomes
like
the
center
of
that
ecosystem
and
everyone
just
has
to
feed
and
then
that
with
that,
instead
this
is
the
way
to
build
cooperative
networks.
So
the
jury's
announced
December,
2015,
I
finally
decided
to
see,
can
I
help
and
joined
as
executive
director
in
May
of
2016
and
surprisingly
I.
Thank
you.
A
Satoshi,
Nakamoto
cherien,
not
Chris
Paris
at
IBM,
I,
didn't
feel
anybody
necessarily
and
all
the
right
answers
figured
out
just
you
and
so
make
sure
to
ask
the
community,
because
it's
also
not
to
me
it's
not
like
a
standard
software
company.
When
you
run
a
consortium
I'm
much
less
of
like
a
product
manager
or
CEO.
That
I
am
like
a
webinar.
You
know,
I
can.
B
A
Unlike
a
passion
which
kind
of
would
take
any
project
and
that
wants
to
show
up,
we
felt
it
was
important
for
this
body
to
be
a
curated
portfolio
of
different
projects,
and
so
then
somebody
wants
to
bring
their
project
to
you
like
a
ledger
and
park
it.
There
there's
a
pretty
rigorous
vetting
process.
A
It
goes
through
by
the
other
members
of
the
community
and
that's
demonstrated
suspicions
likely
to
build
a
multi
stakeholder
trying
it's
one
where
there's
likely
to
be
vendors
interested
in
providing
support
and
other
services
around
around
this,
and
it
has
to
kind
of
nicely
complement
the
other
technologies,
but
it
certainly
can
compete
with
them
too.
Now
this
might
look
very
chaotic
and
confusing
to
the
outside
world.
It
might
look
like
a
video.
A
You
know
like
I,
like
a
dysfunctional
family
in
some
way,
you
know
where
I
siblings,
compete
for
the
attention
of
the
public
right
and
in
some
ways
fabric
and
saw
to
do
compete
in
a
lot
of
things,
but
I
also
kind
of
feel
innovation
is
messy
right.
Innovation
is
kind
of
chaotic
in
that
way,
and
our
job
is
to
try
to
bring
in
all
these
different
ideas,
different
projects
that
have
an
area
and
then
to
figure
out
how
it
allow
them
to
gradually
come
by
every
and
push
each
other.
A
There's
the
envelope
a
little
bit
get
some
a
competitive
juices
going,
but
also
make
sure
that
we're
really
covering
as
much
of
the
possible
solution
space
as
we
can
everything
we
do
in
our
ledger
by
the
way
on
the
technology
side
is
public
facing
none
of
this
is
backroom
smoke-filled
back
rooms.
You
know
where
decisions
get
made
and
then
pushed
out.
You
know,
after
the
fact,
although
this
is
very
public
on
our
technical
steering
from
the
new
mailing
list
in
our
different
community
chat
rooms
that
we
have
and
obviously.
B
A
Of
this
is
about
creating
a
high
quality
open
source
code
that,
ultimately,
we
hope
enterprises
adopt,
even
if
it
starts
out
as
very
experimental,
very
RNG
focused
every
project
and
hyper
ledger,
because
we
think
of
as
being
put
on
a
conveyor
go
to
production
movies.
So
in
2018
we
kind
of
reached
what
I
would
say
is
a
kind
of
a
proof
point
of
being
able
to
look
out
there
and
see
a
number
of
different
things.
One
of
those
was
every
major
cloud
provider
now,
as
your
AWS
Google
Cloud,
the
major
ones
in
China.
A
This
is
by
new
$0.10
Alibaba
and
why
way,
as
well
as
IBM's
cloud
and
Oracle
and
all
the
things
are
now
providing
fabric
as
a
service,
while
channels
and
service,
essentially
but
specifically,
fabric
notes,
which
means
now
spinning
up
not
only
a
or
a
pilot
with
an
actual
production.
Blockchain
network
is
as
easy
as
deploying
any
other
AWS
service
in.
A
So
that's
pretty
cool,
and
on
the
back
of
that,
we've
now
seen
it's
kind
of
hard
to
get
a
sense
for
this,
but
somewhere
between
100
and
200
production
networks
out
there
running
on
top
of
a
pillager,
and
these
are
everything
from
the
diamond
block
hanging
from
a
heard
about
two
other
supply
chain
networks
at
rice
and
fish
to
trade,
finance
networks
that
are
doing
billions
of
dollars
a
day
and
letters
of
credit
being
extended.
Other
types
of
financial
markets,
as
well
as
sovereign
foundations
network
that
should
go
into
production.
A
This
quarter
I
think
sometime
later
this
partner,
which
is
a
digital
identity
platform,
so
lots
of
really
cool
stuff
is
going
up.
It's
reached
that
level
where
you
don't
have
to
say
well,
this
is
experimental
and
put
asterisks
next
to
everything
and
until
be
able
to
be
careful,
no
there's
there's
real
value
being
created
on
these
networks.
Now
it
is
still
very
much
use
at
your
own
risk
and
there's
a
really
strong
need
for
developers
who
understand
the
technology
and
something
more
than
just
a
black
box
kind
of
level.
A
So,
partly
based
on
that
this
early
this
year,
we've
launched
a
certification
program
for
Hyper,
ledger
of
fabric
and
hide
religious
taught
to
administrators.
Basically,
it's
a
course
that
is
available
for
free.
We
also
work
with
training
partners
to
deliver
it
on
the
ground
and
then
an
exam
that
cost
some
money,
but
it
is
a
exam
where
you
log
in
and
have
to
fix
a
broken
fabric
instance,
a
fabric
network.
A
If
you
can
do
that,
you
have
sleep
thing,
and
our
hope
is
that
we
can
train
and
certify
a
thousand
developers
this
year,
some
say:
there's
a
really
big
number.
Some
say
that
it's
a
really
small
number,
some
small
number
for
me.
That's
a
number
that
signifies
that
this
is
a
space
that
has
not
only
the
people
who
can
service
the
needs
of
the
demand
for
that
kind
of
talent
as
well.
A
So
in
other
ways
we're
growing
we,
okay,
so
so
I
mentioned
the
project
first
launched
the
released
blue
chip
names
that
looked
a
little
bizarre
to
me
alone,
we've
since
grown
to
almost
300
different
organizations
that
are
part
of
hyper
laser
from
banks
and
like--see
companies
and
healthcare
companies
to
startup
companies
in
all
sorts
of
different
domains
to
universities
and
government
organizations
to
central
banks.
There's
a
lot
of
the
really
intense
diversity
to
this.
A
In
fact,
40%
of
our
numbers
are
based
in
Asia,
I'd,
say
even
20%
are
headquartered
in
mainland
China
and
so
building
a
project
that
can
span
like
with
the
great
fire
also
this
week
and
truly
be
thought
of
as
a
global
project.
In
fact,
another
30
percent
are
based
here
in
Europe
is
really
important
to
me,
because
it's
not
Silicon
Valley
driving,
blockchain
technology.
To
be
honest,
the
companies
that
are
based
in
Silicon
Valley
have
no
problem
thinking
of
themselves
as
the
center
of
the
universe
and
for
them
blockchain
technology
doesn't
matter.
A
A
T-Mobile
actually
announced
some
things
today
in
using
smart
contracts
for
roaming
agreements
as
a
way
to
just
get
smarter
about
how
to
manage
that
and
cut
down
running
from
to
a
blockchain
wallet
kind
of
concept
that
uses
self
sovereign
identity
and
hyper
ledger.
Indeed,
under
the
covers,
and
then
there's
other
groups
looking
at
number
portability,
anti-spam
stuff
really
is
a
really
interesting
applications
there
and
then
so
going
forward
this
year.
A
2019,
a
lot
of
the
stuff
is
still
just
about
linear
growth
in
growth,
in
moving
more
of
the
projects
like
hyper
ledger,
indie
and
and
burrow,
and
maybe
even
a
robot-
to
production
release
growth
in
the
number
of,
hopefully,
clouds
that
are
running
these
things
and
providing
these
technologies
as
a
service.
So
it's
easier
for
devs
to
go
and
spend
these
up
and
be
able
to
tell
their
boss.
No
don't
worry.
Aws
will
help
us
make
sure
that
this
stuff
stays
up
and
runs
throughout
very
happy,
though
I
should
mention.
A
I
think
I
see
another
place
where
we
were
growing.
Being
you
know
if
to
this
point,
we've
been
really
focused
on
the
plumbing
on
the
kind
of
things
that,
like
the
level
of
fabric
in
sawtooth,
which
are
just
general-purpose
platforms
and
I,
think
we'll
see
this
year
us
going
up
the
stack.
So
at
the
end
of
last
year
we
introduced
a
new
project
called
hyper
ledger
grid
and
the
name
kind
of
was
done
decided
by
the
developers.
B
A
A
A
Coming
up,
we
didn't
I.
You
did
hear
Laura
mention
about
the
internship
program,
so
we
are
really
looking
for
right
now
for
mentors
who
can
propose
projects
for
our
internship
program.
The
internship
where
this
is
a
30
over
doing
this.
This
is
running
during
the
summer.
Then
we
go
out
and
recruit
students,
but
what
we
need
right
now
at
about
15
different
people,
to
propose
projects
that
they're
willing
to
act
as
mentors
on
to
review
the
work
of
the
student
and
and
then
approve
that
they
could
certain
milestones.
A
A
B
It's
my
question
at
the
moment
is
this
sounds
great
I'm
curious.
If
you're
aware
that
are
the
projects
and
how
you
see
what
they
might
be
better,
what
use
cases
like
there
for
them
and
what
particulars
or
are
you
just
aiming
for
the
whole?
You
know
any
anything
possible.
That's
my
way,
are
you
asking
a
competition?
Are
you
asking
what's
the
scope
of
what
we
do?
A
B
A
A
Kind
of
infrastructural
and
templatized
and
we're
not
really
going
to
be
about
an
end-user
apps.
If
you
want
to
write
a
medical
records
system
that
happens
to
use
a
blockchain
to
verify
the
integrity
of
documents,
that's
great.
Some
part
of
that
might
be
appropriate
in
technology,
or
most
of
that
should
be
on
its
own
github
repo
right.
So.
B
A
A
About
isn't
open
right,
so
I
felt
pretty
strongly
that
the
community,
at
the
very
beginning
and
kind
of
the
culture
we've
built,
was
not
about
saying.
There's
one
true
Network,
there's
one
true
main
that
you
know
or
or
that
we
should
be
ICO
funded
or
anything
again,
not
to
say
that
those
are
wrong
for
other
organizations,
though
this
might
be
right,
but
just
to
help
clarify
it
and
we're
never
going
to
put
one
set
of
our
members
in
competition
with
the
other.
A
In
that
way,
people
could
go
out
and
build
networks
on
their
own
to
do
digital
tokens
and
assets,
but
we're
going
to
be
focused
on
the
software
and
we're
not
even
a
standards
body
right,
we're,
not
a
governance
organization.
You
go
off
and
build
your
own
block
chains
as
long
as
we're
using
the
same
software
cullism
economy
of
scale
and
then
finally,
like
there's
a
lot
of
it.
You
know
the
decision
that
gets
made
by
the
technical
steering
committee.
A
They
tend
to
say
no,
but
more
often
when
you
say
yes
to
new
project
proposals
and
we
have
like
a
religion
labs
which
is
a
space
for
more
like
early
stage
kind
of
stuff
or
just
you
know,
demo
code
and
experiments.
You
know
that
might
one
day
grow
into
something
more
full
say:
that's
the
pretty
heavy
scope
already.
We
don't
need
to
be
too
github.
There's
already
one
of
those
it's
called
github.
So
let's
get
and
then
your
second
question
again
same.
A
A
Absolutely
not
right
there,
the
of
the
late
nineties
in
the
internet,
where
people
were
operating
on
strong
intuition
that
there
is
revenue
here
and
this
pain
enough
evidence
that,
like
okay,
given
current
trend
lines,
this
one
seems
to
work
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
low-hanging
fruit
in
terms
of
use
cases
out
there
that
are
worth
going
after
and
pulling
in,
and
that's
where
I
think
a
lot
of
businesses
are
great.
So
let
me
put
this
is
early
enough
that
we
still
don't
have
all
the
answers.
A
A
So
I
remember
I
kind
of
mentioned
we
didn't
ourselves
ever
want
to
be
a
choking.
Well,
things
is
a
bit
more
abstract.
Most
technology
organizations
out
there
right
they've,
been
around
the
internet,
are
three
different.
One
of
three
different
buckets
right:
you're,
a
standards
body
like
engineering
task
force,
governance
organization
like
I-
can,
where
you
do
all
the
politics
required
to
help
have
one
name
space
that
everyone
can
share
around
the
domain
name
system
right
or
you're.
A
You
know
like
like
an
open
source
project
or
even
a
vendor
tag,
creating
software
right
and
those
three
organizations,
those
three
kinds
of
organizations,
it's
kind
of
important
to
keep
them
separated.
When
Apache
got
started
in
two
days,
it
was
like
being
able
to
say
that
the
HTTP
protocol
is
defined
over
here
and
all
the
competing
vendors
should
get
together
there
to
talk
about
the
standard
was
different
from
saying.
A
Okay,
we're
going
out
of
the
build
code
over
here
is
an
implements
that
standard
because
it
allows
us
to
when
somebody
has
a
criticism
of
the
stand
and
they
can
go
over
there
and
a
criticism
of
the
code
because
there's
a
bug
in
it.
We
can
come
over
here
and
then
it
just
it's
a
very
liberating
kind
of
thing
that
a
lot
of
other
organizations
don't
have
so
in
the
hydrologic
indie
case.
So
India
is
the
software
that
is
used
to
build
what
are
called
div
ledger
networks
and
div.
A
Lender
networks
are
a
way
of
connecting
identities
on
one
Shang
block
chaining
system
to
another,
using
zero
knowledge
proof
as
a
way
to
take
say
a
passport
issued
over
here
and
use
it
to
apply
for
a
job
over
here
right
without
creating,
like
basically
super
cookies.
You
know
across
those
two
different
efforts.
If
all
you
have
is
a
single
ID
number,
you
know
kind
of
like
the
Auto
card
number.
This
is
a
big
search
in
Indiana
digital
identity
system.
They
built
their.
Then.
Basically,
everybody
can
link
you're
here
activities
and
it's
just
like
cookies
right.
A
So
sovereign
is
a
network
that
uses
Indy
to
build
a
basically
a
they're
running
now
right,
so
they
have
stewards.
They've
got
a
whole
process
for
onboarding
new
identity
providers.
That's
very
much
a
governance
kind
of
function.
There
will
be
competitors
to
sovereign.
There
are
already,
as
a
matter
of
fact,.
B
B
A
Of
you
might
know,
names
on
you,
port
is
also
setting.
If
you
know
there
is
going
to
work
like
that,
but
they're
using
the
same
standards
by
the
way
that
diee
standard
DKMS,
that
is
a
big
defined
by
the
w3c
and
other
interesting
bodies
and
then
the
indeed
in
the
south,
and
we
hope
that
can
pick
competitors.
We
use
the
same
software
because
then
you
get
economies
of
scale
just
in
the
same
way.
A
Competitors
might
both
use
Linux
right,
but
that's
the
distinction
between
us
and
solving
now
sovereign
is
doing
a
really
good
job
at
educating
the
world
on
what
self,
sovereign,
ID
means
and
I
like
them
as
people,
and
want
to
see
the
CC
and-
and
so
we've
done
a
lot
of
products
together
but
knows.
Is
it
like
an
exclusive.
A
B
A
Well,
I
mean
open-source
has
never
been
about
requiring
companies
to
be
a
hundred
percent.
All
the
IP
they
create
goes
out
into
the
open.
Almost
every
successful
company
of
the
engages
an
open-source
should
I
use
it
open
source
software.
Everybody
uses
open
source
software.
Smaller
ones
will
sometimes
contribute
Kovac
in
whether
it's
bug
fixes
or
improvements,
but
every
business
still
needs
to
define
its
its
core,
the
core
engine
right,
its
core
values-
maybe
it's
in
being
a
better
support
organization
of
being
better
at
training
or
something
that's
not
about
software
code.
A
But
then
almost
every
multi-source
company
out
there
that
I
can
think
of
including
people
like
red
hat
and
canonical
have
software
source
mid.
They
keep
to
themselves
and,
as
part
of
their
distinctive
value,
add
and
the
mode
they
build
around
their
business.
And
so
IBM
has
been
a
part
of
open
source
projects
since
1998
and
they
also
sell
a
license
commercial
software
there's
no
conflict
of
interest
there.
A
They
basically
say
you
know
in
every
product
space,
there's
a
line
below
that
they
give
things
away,
to
create
strategic
opportunity
and,
above
that
they
write
things
to
keep
to
themselves.
So
it's
very
natural
that
you
just
like
the
clinic
is
just
like
places
their
little
things
in
here
and
give
away
things
down
here
and
right.
Then
they
do
this
without
so
IBM
watching
platformers
I
think
you
could
go
to
them
and
pay
the
money
for
and
have
them
to
handle
a
whole
lot
of
things
for
you.
A
They
might
have
to
do
yourself,
but
then
they
have
about
40,
aft,
full-time
equivalent
developers
down
at
this
layer
writing
code
and
immediately
checking
in
to
repositories.
You
know
by
microlender,
so
I
think
every
company
is
going
to
do
that,
and
the
question
is,
if
you're,
on
the
boundary
there,
if
you're
writing
code.
That
is
just
above
that
line
and
you're
keeping
that
to
yourself
as
proprietary
code.
A
You
run
the
risk
of
waking
up
one
day
to
discovering
somebody
else
checking
in
code
or
making
it
available
for
free
that
that
obviates
that,
so
the
really
smart
ones
go
further
of
the
stack.
You
know
like
the
biggest
Linux
companies
out.
There
are
probably
Google
and
Facebook.
You
know
they
don't
sell.
You
know
the
shrink-wrap,
you
know
versions
of
Linux.
They
offer
services
way
up
here,
then
using
Linux
down
here
as
a
tactical
advantage,
rather
than
the
strategic
thing
right.
A
So
that's
the
smart
any
company
to
do
I
think,
but
there
is
room
for
people
like
IBM
and
Sapa
and
all
the
clouds
out
there.
What
the
key
one
thing
we
do
think
about,
though,
is
how
do
we
guarantee
that
when
they
create
these
cloud
services
or
additional
services
that
they
don't
end
up,
creating
incompatible
platforms,
so
that
when
somebody
builds
a
blockchain
act
against
fabric,
when
it's
fabric
hosted
at
IBM
on
IBM's
blockchain
platform?
A
A
Can
you
add
nodes
from
other
necks
right
from
other
clouds
from
other
service
providers,
and
so
this
year
we'll
be
introducing
a
certification
for
the
cloud
providers
I
for
who
are
deploying
hybrid,
your
fabric,
to
basically
force
them
to
guarantee
that
if
you
start
watching
Project
at
1:00
you'll
be
able
to
add
the
notes
from
the
others
at
least
that
there
will
be
no
technical
barrier
to
doing
that.
There
may
be
a
business
barrier
like
you
can't
add
an
O
to
my
country,
because
there's
data,
residency
requirements
or
GPR
rules
or
things
like
that.
A
B
A
So
we
need
more
people
trained
up
buying
fabric
and
saw
to
than
the
others
to
the
point
where
they
feel
comfortable
committing
to
their
boss.
You
know
yes,
I
know
how
to
run
this
in
a
five
nines.
You
know,
production
kind
of
setting
and
the
cloud
providers
will
help
with
that.
There
sure,
but
people
simply
need
you
know
water
into
the
bridge
which
they
need
experience
and
they
need
to
see
other
people.
A
So
the
best
thing
to
do
when
you're
building
these
apps
to
find
something
where
there's
already
identified
a
common
cause.
You
know,
like
maybe
there's
an
existing
consortium,
that's
trying
to
solve
a
supply
chain,
traceability,
problem
or
I.
Has
you
know
trying
to
build
a
trade
finance
network
or
something
like
that?
A
But
then
the
real
question
becomes,
as
you
build
this:
what's
the
governance
model
around
those
organizations
that
are
on
that
function,
right
and
there's
a
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
automated
tools
that
help
with
the
governance
thing
like
that,
prevent
all
sorts
of
categories
of
fraud.
But
really
the
question
is:
who
do
you
appoint
as
like
all
these
networks
that
are
built
using
permissions?
Blockchain
technology
all
have
basically
a
bouncer
at
the
door
right
kind
of
like
at
a
nightclub.
A
You've
got
somebody
who
stands
there
and
decide
who
gets
to
come
in
right
and
if
you
live
in
everybody
who
wants
to
come
in
it's
very
popular
nightclub.
But
if
you
let
everybody
in
there's
no
room
for
anybody
to
dance
right,
if
you
only
let
in
three
people
that's
kind
of
a
joke
to
the
nightclub
right,
so
I
terms
for
when
somebody
can
be
added
to
a
watch,
a
network,
you
want
that
to
be
open
enough,
so
that
you
get
that
kind
of
activity
and
liquidity
and
things
like
that.
A
But
if
you
have
lots
and
lots
of
actors
there
the
opportunity
for
a
few
bad
actors
to
kind
of
either
DDoS
a
network
or
constant
problems
and
start
to
grow
very
real.
So
these
governance
rules
like
it's,
this
mix
of
Technology
and
human
kind
of
governance
are,
you
know
people
are
struggling
to
kind
of
figure
out
with
that
right
model
is,
and
so
we're
starting
to
think
should
we
put
together
best
practices?
Should
we
put
together
model
agreements
between
parties
and
I'm
really
interested
in?
How
do
you
preserve
the
right
support?
A
A
We're
trying
to
talk
to
some
business
schools
about
systematically
coming
up
with
ways
to
evaluate
how
healthy
these
permission,
blockchain
networks
are,
from
a
governance
point
of
view,
from
a
maturity
point
of
view
like
how
many
transactions
are
they
doing,
let
alone
like
you
know.
How
happy
are
the
participants
and
how
easy
is
it
to
add
a
new?
You
know
that
sort
of
thing,
so
if
people
are
gonna
start
figuring,
that
up
I
think,
but
it's
still
still
early
days.
A
Well,
thanks
for
having
a
chance
to
and
giving
us
a
chance
to
talk,
we're
really
happy
to
see
the
hydrogen
meetup
communities
in
all
these
different
places
and
in
our,
in
our
view,
open
source.
It's
about
people,
it's
about
the
kind
of
face-to-face
connections,
even
while
they
work
and
these
decentralized
global
kinds
of
settings,
and
and
thank
you
Laura
for
for
putting
these
together
and
putting
a
regular
kind
of
series.