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From YouTube: Hyperledger Seattle Meetup - July 24, 2019
Description
This video is from a panel discussion about Blockchain Interoperability and the Path to Enterprise Adoption.
Ali Agha, CEO Olypsis Technologies
Benjamin Djidi, Transformation Manager, Amazon
Imran Peerbhai, Principal Research Software Development Engineer, ThinkPredict
Scott Olson, Director, Project Solutions & Talent, Trufflesuite
David Clark, Global Partner Relations, Trufflesuite
Marissa Iannarone, Associate at Forum Solutions (Moderator)
Description:
The Seattle Hyperledger and Ethereum meetups are joining forces for a panel that focuses on interoperability between systems and an industry perspective on what the important focal points are to gaining enterprise adoption of blockchain technology.
More information about this event is at: https://www.meetup.com/Hyperledger-Seattle-Chapter/events/262769639/
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Six
weeks
in
very
excited
that
we
are
building
on
our
first
vertical
here
as
we
speak,
and
it
is
in
the
back
which
blockchain
plays
a
critical
role
and
the
technology.
So
we're
happy
that
you
guys
were
here
and
hopefully,
in
the
coming
months,
we
will
have
some
programming
in
the
vein
of
this
topic
and
just
in
general,
create
33
is
essentially
a
founders
central,
protect
yours.
We.
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And
Amazon
and
Microsoft,
in
addition
to
a
number
of
FinTech,
specific
partners
and
service
providers,
who
are
all
here
in
Pacific,
Northwest
and
interested
in
growing
jobs
through
intrapreneurship
and
over
here,
and
we
offer
access
and
resources
in
the
form
of
capital
and
networking,
customer
introductions
and
talent,
programming,
which
years
participating
and
and
then
space
space.
We
have
13
currently
resident
companies
that
are
only
cycling
through
and
you
seek
to
essentially
help
others
get
through
their
journey
faster,
easier,
less
painfully
having.
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B
B
And
I
organized
the
over
here
so
really
excited
to
talk
about
how
our
two
communities
and
systems
can
come
together
to
take
through
how
to
drive
enterprise
adoption.
So
we
have
an
awesome
panel
tonight
we
have
Scott
Olson,
who
is
a
director
at
truncal,
sweet
and
troubled,
actually
hosting
a
very
cool
happens
first
weekend
of
August.
First.
B
We
have
a
Liana,
please
the
founder
of
ellipses,
of
walking
services,
company
and
a
co-founder
of
bottom
seat,
which
is
a
blockchain
key
management
system
with
your
Emraan
pure
life,
who
is
little
bit
entitled
correct:
a
principal
research
software
development
developer
at
a
predicts
which
is
an
advanced
technology
consulting
company,
and
then
we
have
Joshua
Jane,
who
Luke
helps
organize
the
theory
me
up,
but
he's
also
the
director
of
marketing
at
Euclid,
which
is
a
lot
self
sovereign
identity
system
built
on
top
layer
theory.
And
then
we
have
Marissa
from.
A
A
A
So
is
every
island
or
every
central
bank
using
the
same
blockchain
platform,
and
he
went
on
to
talk
about
for
about
five
minutes
about
how
important
it
is
for
each
central
bank
to
really
identify
the
solution.
That
is
most
important
for
the
member.
That
makes
the
most
sense
what
about
with
hyper
laser
or
Bitcoin
or
something
else,
and
then
the
fall
question
was
like.
A
D
E
E
Everyone's
gonna
go
on
their
own
direction
or
you
know
what
it's
gonna
be
a
lot
more
difficult
to
kind
of
make
this
cohesive
again
so
and
I
can't
talk
about
trouble
its
kind
of
what
we
all
kind
of
came
out
with,
but
its
ability
to
create
a
seamless
integration
between
such
as
letters
to
have
a
clear
defined
standardized
process
allowing
a
greater
user
experience
and
that's
not
just
for
the
end
user,
but
also
for
the
developers.
We
also
really
recognize
that
you
know
modern
web
2.0.
E
You
don't
want
as
a
dev
to
be
limited
to
just
having
you
know,
let's
say:
you're
an
iOS
developer,
you
just
on
iOS.
You
want
to
have
access
to
all
sorts
of
platforms
better
for
you
better
for
the
community
and
so
interrup
allows
especially
the
developer
to
have
more
access
to
more
of
a
community
outside
of
justing
on,
for
example,
aetherium
hyper
ledger.
So,
for
so,
the
integration
is
something
that
has
gotta
be
seamless
and
coming
up
with
standardized
kind
of
procedures.
For
us,
it's
the
tooling.
D
D
F
So
let
me
ask
you
a
question
of
what
defines
an
opera
Interop
right
if
I
take
a
transaction
in
this
area
right,
you
know,
I
bought
a
dog
right
and
I
notarized
that
to
hyper
ledger
is
that
Interop,
even
though
I
haven't
had
any
change
of
team
calls
I
did
that
entirely
to
my
own
code?
That
could
be
one
definition
right.
The
polymerization
could
be
a
definition
of
it
or
it
could
be
some
sort
of
direct
chain
sync.
It
could
be
program
and
programmatic,
inner
up
I
write.
A
F
In
ethereum
there
is
one
other
way
that
bother
learning
alright.
So
there
are
three
ways
you
can
do
it.
You
can
do
outpatient
level
in
Iran,
right,
I'm,
notarizing,
you
can
do
automatic
chain
in
Iran
or
you
could
do
language
in
a
row.
So
I
think
there
are
at
least
those
three.
There
might
be
a
few
others,
just
just
a
finding
interrupt
to
start
up
of
the
conversation.
So.
D
All
that
no
I
think
that
what
most
people
aren't
trying
to
go
or
right
now
the
ankle
is.
This
is
the
one
standardization
you
look
at
projects
like
cosmos
or
look
at
that's
what
they're
trying
to
do
trying
to
create
the
intermediary
between
all
these
different
trains?
That's
the
end
goal.
You
have
a
token
on
one
chain
transfer
to
another
chain:
I.
Think
that
we're
not
a
hundred
percent
we're
not
we're.
D
C
Is
you
know
the
standards
built
around
around
sales
and
identity,
using
decentralized
I
identifiers
as
a
standard
uses
across
different
block
chains?
So
hyper
ledger
are
Microsoft
ion
platform.
If
your
iam,
they
all
share
that
decentralized
identity
standards
that
are
established
through
w3c
and
so.
C
That
you
want
to
be
able,
from
a
user
perspective,
to
take
any
centralized,
identify
her,
that's
part
of
a
sovereign
or
a
hyper
later
scheme
and
be
able
to
use
that
and
then
on.
Another
platform
just
have
a
resolved
at
the
right
place.
So
as
long
as
you
can,
from
a
user
point
of
view,
use
a
centralized
identifier
that
was
produced
by
you
know
a
hyper
lender,
Aires
platform
and
use
it
with
users
with
Microsoft
side
trees
or
with
you
or
that
to
me,
is
kind
of
the
interoperable
level
that
I
think
users
care
about.
C
A
G
G
A
We
know
a
lot
of
industries
that
are
starting
to
look
at
technologies
and
piloting
and
wanting
to
hear
your
guys's
perspective
on
what
is
the
industry?
That's
really
trying
to
take
the
lead
on
engaging
an
open-source
platform
and
hyper
ledger
aetherium,
instead
of
trying
to
build
their
own
private
chain
solution
and
curious
about
from
that
a
little
how
people
are
adopting
those
those
technologies.
E
You
saw
the
big
announcement
with
Microsoft
Starbucks
doing
their
kind
of
its
bean
to
cup
program.
It's
good
idea,
I
think
I
think
what
brings
into
light
is
a
transparency,
the
use
cases
of
a
supply
chain
and
having
the
understanding
where
things
came
from.
We
have
seen
this
a
lot
lot
of
people
ask
asked
about
this
too.
E
Make
sure
actually
groaning
around
the
Sun
they
weren't
just
out
for
two
minutes
and
again
and
they
call
the
cage
free.
These
are
big
deals
for
a
lot
of
people
and
so
having
that
transparency
is
a
great
use
case.
That
blockchain
can
leverage
and
I
think
even
beyond
that
I
need
this
company
clean
their
chain
where
they
basically.
D
E
Just
the
the
nature
of
what
used
to
be
when
you
would
do
bidding
on
farms
to
get
coffee
beans
and
then
get
roasted.
So
at
a
time
they
were
getting,
you
know
basically
undermined
and
have
to
pay
for
variable
beans
that
can
barely
pay
wages.
It's
a
terrible
setup,
and
now
that
blockchain
has
exposed
that
that
everything
can
get
lifted
back
up
into
a
more
marketable
business
mindset
for
these
business
going
to
make
money
and
it
can
pay
their
employees
better
wages
and
better
quality
of
life
and
so
I
think.
G
E
F
So
it
begins
yeah
I'm,
certainly
the
the
most
critical
person
of
blockchain
I
think,
even
though
I'm
in
the
space
too
and
I'm
a
believer
in
some
degree.
But
the
Microsoft
example
is
a
great
example
of
great
marketing,
but
no
real
product
by
Microsoft
is
paying
Starbucks
to
pretend
to
use
a
solution
as
a
marketing
expense
at
laughing
laughing
yeah
yeah
I'm,
just
like
I
into
a
Walmart
about
sup
right
right.
Just
that
is
not
real
bad.
D
F
Actually
well
positioned
for
a
decentralized
world
right
right,
I
think
that
the
best
people
positioned
right
now,
probably
the
network
infrastructure.
Here's
the
18
T's
the
Sprint's,
the
t-mobile's
ride
the
horizons
because
they
would
love
it.
If
there's
a
note
in
here
and
over
there
and
out
at
sea
three
miles
right
because
that's
where
they
can,
they
can
extract
the
tracks
on
every
transaction.
That
way,
so
I
think
that
if
anyone's
going
to
really
benefit
from
this
and
adopt
a
chain
not
develop
their
own
chain
like
like
a
forum
with
JP
Morgan,
Italy
Telecom,.
A
D
Do
you
guys
think
about
D
Phi,
D
Phi,
some
particular
app?
Obviously,
there's
been
a
lot
of
traction
with
lending
space.
There's
companies
like
backed
back
is
Nasdaq's
answer,
learning
to
be
integrating
crypto
payments,
so
I
think
there
is
a
lot
of
moving
on
beefed
up.
You
guys
think
any
balls
enough.
D
C
Is
male
part
of
the
United
Kingdom
financial
services
sandbox,
which
is
where
they
build
up
pilots
to
be
able
to
decide,
and
so
we're
working
with
a
kyc
provider
on
phoedo
and
on
Vito
establishes
kyc,
but
then
they
want
to
create
verifiable
credentials
out
of
it.
So
you
can
reuse
and
credential
over
and
over
and
over
and
over
again,
okay
might
see
for
the
cod.
Oh
I
carry
these
major
customers.
So
when
you
sign
up
for
a
bank
or
if
you
want
to
join
some
other
organization.
H
C
Have
to
go
through
this
onboarding
process,
which
in
the
States
is
actually
much
less
time-consuming
than
it
is
elsewhere
like
in
Europe.
It's
just
is
literally
a
60
step
process
and
even
with
a
phone
it
takes,
you
know,
so
the
goal
is
to
reduce
the
transaction
cost
of
those
kinds
of
interactions
and
reduce
the
friction
to
getting
people
on
board
and
so
having
verifiable
credentials
in
that
context
is
something
that's
very
viable
because
it
radically
reduces
those
ongoing
costs
that
reduces
the
customer.
Experience
friction,
and
so
there.
G
Yeah
I
would
just
add
that
you
know
good
exercises.
Look
at
industries
that
that
blockchain
can
potentially
disrupt
and
the
financial
sector
is
obviously
a
good
one.
When
you
have
peer-to-peer
transactions
that
you
can
remove
the
intermediary
I
think
that's!
Those
are
good
places
to
start.
You
know
insurance.
You
can
just
go,
go
right
to
the
list
of
where
transacting
and
and
transferring
anything
of
value,
whether
it's
a
mortgage
for
the
home
or
your
identity,
or
you
know
it
data.
Doesn't
you
know
just
because
it
hasn't
monetary
value
doesn't
mean
it's
it's
anything
of
value.
G
So
there
are
many
industries
that
are
like
for
I.
Just
noticed
that
I
saw
read
that
was
that
Equifax
never
has
to
pay
like
a
billion
dollar
fine
for
their
their
breach.
That
line
goes
to
the
FTC.
It
doesn't
go
to
all
the
users
whose
data,
basically
every
American,
that's
in
Equifax
system,
so
I
think.
F
So
why
the
centralization
exists?
To
begin
with
right,
I
mean
there's
sort
of
a
philosophy
problem.
Here.
Some
things
are
better
done
to
a
central
authority
because
you
have
direct
enforcement
right.
A
block
chain
based
Land
Registry
is
pointless
if
the
government
doesn't
say
yes
right
and
really
the
because
then
it
was
Benedict.
The
person
who's
squatting
in
my
house
right
and
so
so.
A
lot
of
these
things
have
those
kind
of
things
centralization
of
access,
requests
to
credit.
History,
hey
cuz,
everyone
paid
his
bills
on
time.
F
Right
not
exist
because
everyone
wants
to
know
who
to
call,
and
they
want
to
trust
an
answer.
The
data
is
enforced
to
some
degree
in
a
long
chain
role
in
a
decentralized
world.
You
don't
necessarily
have
like.
Are
you
going
to
contact
Imran
and
Imran?
Instead
have
allowed
you
to
view
his
financial
M&A
transactions
yeah
right,
historically
or
not
right,
and
how
many
of
them
do?
I
selectively
choose
right,
it
becomes
a
poker
game
and
then
it
becomes
a
worse
problem
in
a
decentralized
solution.
F
Centralized
solution
so
I
see
the
value
in
visa,
buys
identity,
I
think
that's
probably
the
killer
apps,
but
indecent
buys
credit
reporting
that
actually
seems
to
be
a
badass
right
in
my
own
and
even
though
it
would
be
better
for
the
consumer,
it's
worse
for
the
business
might
actually
paying
the
money.
We
don't
panic,
effects
right,
AT&T
or
Visa
or
blur
they
pay.
Above
us.
E
A
I
think
about
this
question
quite
a
bit,
but
you
know
I'm
familiar
with
hyper
librarian
of
etherium
as
another
open
source
effort.
What
are
the
benefits
for
an
enterprise
or
company
selecting
an
open
source
platform
to
build
their
blockchain
solution
on
adversities
building
their
own
private
solution?
Our
private
chain.
D
C
C
Main
net,
for
those
of
you
don't
know,
is
basically
the
biggest
area.
More
the
you
know,
blockchain,
that's
out
there,
that's
public
and
permissionless.
Anyone
can
go
use
it.
Anyone
can
access
it.
Anyone
come
right
to
it
and
well,
which
you
know.
If
your
business
makes
you
a
little
nervous
right.
You
don't
want
all
your
transactions
in
a
public
park
chain,
even.
H
C
G
C
A
D
E
Right
we
wanted
to
create
the
staging
environment
before
a
good
production
to
do
as
much
as
you
can
to
get.
It
basically
replicates
that
there
yet
so
you
get
that
same
feel
to
the
transaction
speeds.
When
this
stuff
see
what
the
data
looks
like
before
you
point
so
people
use
it,
but
I
agree.
It
is
I,
think
the
dev
experiences
the
first
and
foremost
to
be
impacted
and
then
the
holes
that
I'm,
seeing
as
far
as
the
the
contribution
side
of
the
open
source
and
people
committee
code
is
there
still
some
kind
of
using
interest.
E
D
You
can't
pacifica
like
in
the
hybrid
letter
or
palliative
fabric,
immediate
area.
Well,
I
think
that's
good!
It's
like
it's
not
really
like.
How
do
these
open
source
projects
come
consensus
around
what
should
be
added
to
a
commit?
It's
through
the
best
people
in
community
can
make
consensus
right,
so
it's
still
be
centralized
or
now
versus
having
just
one
company
sign
off
on
that
here's.
My
idea,
I'm.
F
Gonna
go
back,
there's
no
question
right.
I
think
that
open
source
versus
closed
for
us
is
kind
of
a
weird
that
colony,
because
a
lot
of
things
started
open
source
and
as
they
developed
and
become
more
closed
right,
yeah
yeah,
but
actually
natural
protection
program.
The
let's
talk
about
Apache
copyrights,
a
message
queuing
system
that
people
use
in
the
world
of
DevOps
Amazon
has
their
own
private.
It's
completely
unrelated.
They
they
took
the
copper
wire
protocol
and
they
reimplemented
it.
F
No
one
can
see
that
source,
but
because
it's
close
to
them
right,
I,
think
hyper
ledger
or
cerium
or
even
Bitcoin.
People
will
start
there
because
developers
are
there
and
there's
a
starting
point.
That's
better
than
you
know.
What's
a
vertical
tree,
how
do
I
hash
right?
But
once
you
get
past
up
that
initial,
that
initial
boom
writing
you
get
that
first
thing
and
you
get
that
first,
real
use
for
yourself.
The
natural
progression
of
a
company
who
you
know
companies
are
not
even
a
public
company
is
essentially
a
secret
entity
right
internally.
F
D
A
A
lot
of
the
conversations
I
have
are
around
return
on
investment
for
implementing
a
new
technology
from
a
healthcare
background
where
cost
is
patient.
Care
is
very
important,
but
cost
is
a
very
critical
piece
as
well.
So
what
when
are
we
actually
going
to
have
models
that
show
return
on
investment
for
implementing
blockchain
and
solutions
at
the
enterprise
level?.
A
A
C
So
there
are,
there
are
a
lot
of
use
cases
where
the
ROI
is
relatively
clear.
Again,
I
can
speak
from
the
from
the
identity
side,
like
reusing,
verifiable
credentials.
We
have
a
little
spreadsheet
where
we
let
me
give
to
our
customers
and
they
look
through
it
and
they're
like
oh
yeah.
This
totally
makes
sense,
so
that's
how
we
move
forward,
but
but
again,
that's
kind
of
like
the
the
app
level
user
experience
level
ROI
rather
than
kind
of
digging
down
below.
So
I
guys
I
would.
G
I
would
kind
of
go
back
to
to
quorum
is
a
great
example
and
I
don't
want
to
steal
their
thunder
because
they
will
be
speaking
at
truffle
con
by
the
way
next
weekend
here,
that'll
plug
our
our
event,
trouble
comp,
we'll
have
several
of
these
companies
presenting,
but
I
think
Warren
has
been
able.
You
know
in
the
financial
sector
and
banking
in
particular,
the
ability
to
increase
seven
times
transactions
inter
banking
on
you
know
with
their
partners,
is
something
that
they've
had
certainly
been
able
to
to
see
a
pretty
clear
guard
line.
D
D
E
D
E
Vision,
the
ROI
is,
and
now
there
were
cabinets
like
weird
limbo
phone
phase.
Now,
where
you
start
to
see
people
take
a
step
back
and
it's
almost
like
I
heard
the
term
they've
been
abused
in
some
sense,
with
the
ideology
behind
what
they
thought.
Blockchain
was
to
give
them
ie
or
Alliance
change.
They
didn't
happen,
so
they
reallocate
the
funds
back
to
development
or
something
like
that
or.
C
So
the
what
are
the
big
problems
in
the
botching
space
is
creating
critical
mass
and
network
effects.
How
do
you
get
enough
people
involved
in
using
these
tools
in
a
way
that
adding
another
person
makes
the
network
more
valuable?
And
so
you
have
more
time
to
join
the
network
and
you
know,
participate
and
so.
C
Little
app
that
has
my
identity
on
it,
but
I
have
nowhere
that
show
it
and
share
it.
No
one
cares
right,
so
consortium
is
a
way
to
provide
kind
of
a
top-down.
Even
that
says,
we
are
engaging
in
this
movie
ecosystem.
This
is
the
kind
of
solution
that
you're
going
to
use.
Everyone
in
this
ecosystem
use
it
in
the
same
way
that
we
encourage
everyone
to
use.
You
know
a
phone
app
on
their
phone,
because
that's
how
you
get
to
use
your
phone,
it's
a
similar
kind
of
thing.
A
C
F
D
F
So
we've
seen
this
movie
a
million
times
my
VHS
in
beta
18
DVD
blu-ray
right.
There
is
eventually
only
one
winner.
There
is
no
Interop
right
and
Interop
is
just
a
slow
down.
It's
a
sign
that
we
don't
know
who
the
winner
is
going
to
be,
so
we
want
to
sketch
our
bets
and
spread
it
as
an
end
user,
right,
I
care
about
Interop
and
blockchain,
because
I
don't
know,
what's
going
to
be
there
more
is
gonna
be
hype
later,
therefore,
I
want
my
codes
still
work
in
the
future.
E
F
D
Perhaps
that
perhaps
that
was
their
favorite
very
much
yeah,
but
to
see
the
control
just
don't
have
value
I,
don't
think.
That's
necessarily
true.
That
is
the
way
you
compete.
That's
the
way
you
can
involve
companies
in
theory,
I've
got
behind
on
that
now
it's
catching
back
up,
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
value
with
consortiums
and
I.
Think
a
lot
of
industries
in
the
future
will
be
creating
their
blockchain
solutions
around
these
consortiums
house.
You're
going
to
get
all
these.
How
are
you
gonna?
D
Get
the
transport
industry
becomes
the
same
table
I
even
get
the
poultry
companies
to
come
to
the
same
table.
They're
gonna
happen
to
the
consortium.
They're
gonna
happen,
get
to
a
bylaws
standardization
and
then
go
from
there.
Okay
make
fun
of
dinosaurs
there
right
boss.
Big
point
is
not
an
assortment.
F
C
So
once
there
once
a
winners
shook
out,
there
was
still
a
whole
group
of
industry
players
who
joined
in
and
started
building
on
that
standard
to
ensure
that
they
could
make
it
grow
the
ecosystem,
and-
and
we
see
you
know-
and
it
in
part
of
that
I
think
the
issue
is
what
how
we
describe
consortia
like
a
consortium.
A
cuccos
company
is
getting
together
to
achieve
a
common
goal
and
share
resources
like
that's
a
value
chain
as
well
right.
So
there
are
so
it
depends.
It
depends.
How
are
you
working
you?
C
E
E
F
Why
I
suppose
does
it,
though
my
mind
right
just
because
we
don't
know
who
the
winner
is
right?
If
we
use
the
winner,
then
it's
a
standard.
It's
Microsoft
Office
is
document
standard,
Libre,
Office,
copies
it
it's
the
window.
It's
the
it's!
The
Apple
swipe
gesture,
Android
copies.
It
becomes
interrupt
by
standardization
right
rather
than
by
case
or
show.
D
D
C
I
I
Protocols
and
I
see
have
flaws
and
how
many
addresses
they
could
ultimately
generate.
We
wouldn't
have
an
Internet
of
Things
possibility
unless
somebody
forked
off
from
oh
I,
see
but
TS
tcp/ip
won
on
that
and
and
what
consortiums
forms
on
that
right
and
the
formation
of
a
standardization
really
what
you
saw
his
groups
and
more
groups
crowdsourcing
the
solution
trying
to
find
that
average
answer
that
nobody
knows
the
specific
answer.
As
a
group
we
coming
to
that
answer,
and
so
that's
what
the
constructions
I
think
have
a
great
fun.
The.
F
Efficient
market
hypothesis,
districts,
idiotically,
right
and
I,
don't
believe
in
the
efficient
market
hypothesis
to
begin
with
I'm
an
economist
by
training,
and
so
once
you
fill
that
out,
do
you
throw
out
the
idea
a
lot
of
these
things?
Working
right?
If
you
like
I,
don't
think
markets
are
efficient,
I,
think
they're
self
predicting
right,
then
they
create
the
condition
of
their
predict.
Will
happen
and
tcp/ip
is
a
great
example
right.
F
There
was
a
lot
of
funded
research
on
on
on
this
remain
an
18-2
got
a
big
line
share
that
thing,
and
this
really
was
a
Bell
Labs
single
source,
kind
of
thing
right
and
the
other
alternatives
existed
right.
Osc
was
one
IDM
had
their
token
ring
kind
of
things
right
and
almost
things
fell
apart.
We
now
all
speak
tcp/ip.
No
one
here
speaks
token
token
ring
I,
don't
mean
I.
A
I
To
just
finish
up,
I
mean
what
I
see
there
is
that
what
we're
merging
into
is
what
is
the
standardization,
where
we
can
have
authentication
as
a
standardization,
meaning
or
you
know,
protocol,
and
we
can
have
different
sorts
of
you
know
tokens
for
merit,
money
or
different
tokens
for
cash
transactions
or
tokenization
of
assets,
but
building
up
that
interoperability
between
the
hash
codes.
So
you
can
swap
on
to
pretty
much
any
backbone.
Pretty
quickly
is
what
I
is
an
abuser.
You
know,
company
developer
type
person
need
I'm.
F
As
an
end
user,
the
false
statement
I
was
saying
is
that
they
actually
slow
adoption
right
when
you
can't
decide
between
token
ring
and
piece
and
Ethernet
you're
going
to
make
a
card
that
does
both
and
then
right
when
you
can't
design
with
between
a
cerium
and
Piper
letter,
you're
gonna
make
some
sort
of
language
or
tool
path
that
does
right.
These
are
problems
now,
because
they're
trying
to
grow
people
right.
That's
what
I'm
saying
I
think
it's.
G
G
We
we
like
to
say
nine
out
of
nine
if
they're
and
developers
use
truffle.
So
we've
you
know
very
recently
were
that
we
surpassed
three
million
downloads
of
our
tools
and
we
are
again
not
to
not
to
steal
thunder
from
tropical
khan,
but
we
are.
We
will
be
making
announcements
with
other
enterprise
chains
at
tropic
on
about
this
very
subject
about
making
the
experience
the
same
across
ecosystems,
and
so
I
think,
that's
going
to
I
mean
again.
No
one
disagrees
we're
in
the
very
early
days
here,
but
I
think
getting
a
common
experience.
H
I'd
like
to
actually
just
different
posit
see,
Roach's
problem
may
be
going
on.
So
if
you
peel
over
the
hype
legend
what's
going
on
now
is
there's
actually
some
movement
towards
interoperability
between
the
different
products
and
that's
more
than
Kennedy
needs
a
media
about
a
more
rounded
framework
level,
for
example
like
alleged
grid,
which
is
Kabul
Intel
target
until
the
game.
H
When
you
actually
say
okay
well,
how
is
the
intro
up
going
to
happen?
If
the
frameworks
are
going
to
be
sort
of
the
industry
consultant,
young
transportation
and
retail
and
other
areas,
then
probably
the
app
developers
are
going
to
actually
hit
these
together
in
a
web
three
rather
than
a
web
to
model
itself.
H
You
might
actually,
even
while
we're
speaking
I'm,
not
sure
if
a
fish
but
tc39
is
meted
over
Redmond
and
Cobus
flew
in
from
Indonesia
able
to
dilute
it,
be
safe,
extreme
modules
in
jobs,
so
who's
safe,
extreme
modules
and
plugged
into
something
like
that
trouble
they
won't.
What
could
happen
is
if
we
can
see
your
they,
the
environment
as
we
doing
something
like
iOS
and
Android.
We
can
do
the
interrupt
bag
between
the
platforms
and
then
the
informations
going
to
flow
between
the
between
the
different
platforms,
whether
it's
Xperia,
my
collector.
Whatever
is.
F
Intelligent
visiting
STS
in
some
form
or
another
for
a
really
long
time,
right
I
mean
heck
brothers
thought
to
exist
because
Intel
wanted
to
push
poet
and
SGX
right
because
they
believe
those
two
curiosities
execution
environment
totally
I
be
protected
to
only
Intel
chips
that
having
found
the
fighters
now
course
the
bio
be
of
great
business
benefit.
Ten
Intel,
so
I
can
totally
see
why
secure
execution
environments,
secure
code
pads
and
things
like
that
are
really
viable
to
Intel.
That's
why
they
pushed
us,
but.
H
F
Once
your
memory,
your
your
half,
will
the
only
way
to
be
really
secure
with
any
algorithms
to
be
out
of
memory.
You
have
to
be
in
a
TV
of
some
sort,
secure
SGX
form,
Intel
arms
got
their
own
right,
but
you
have
to
be
outside
of
the
world
of
that.
You
and
I
can
actually
see
into,
and
then
you
have
this
private
SDK
paper
access
and
gets
really
carrying
complicated.
So.
D
A
Why
don't
we
take
a
few
minutes?
You
guys
already
kind
of
gotten
into
you
what
the
future
looks
like
a
bit
but
curious
to
hear.
Yes,
you
all
seem
pretty
confident
they're
ready
to
go
one
chain
in
the
world,
but
would
like
to
understand
why
and
what
you're
seeing
today
that
that
is
an
indicator.
That's
like
from
history
repeating
itself
by
accident,
I.
C
To
end
up
with
one
primary
winner,
but
we
have
a
long
tail
as
well.
You
know,
if
you
you
know
earlier,
the
comment
about
cosmos
and
polka
dot
and
they
had
their
thesis
is
that
you
want
different
change
for
different
kinds
of
directions,
and
so
they
may
be
that
we
end
up
standardizing
around
something
like
cosmos
or
something
like
polka
dot.
That
allows
to
say
different
chains
that
have
different
needs,
and
obviously
you
see
this
in
all
sorts
of
contexts.
We
have
it
coming
up.
C
It
was
like
playing
all
of
these
chains
that
have
been
forked
off
over
time
or
developed
to
simply
meet
different
kinds
of
use.
Cases,
and
so
I
think
that
the
standardization
might
be
focused
around
something
like
polka,
dot
or
cosmos,
or
some
future
version
of
that,
where
you
can
sync
across
change
and
be
able
to
transfer
tokens
and
alike,
because
it,
because
that
long
tail
is
still
going
to
exist,
they're
always
going
to
be
specialized
environments
where
you
want
different
kinds
of
change
for
the
dependent
things.
B
B
E
I
mean
yeah
I
think
you
know,
especially
with
like
their
how
many
consensus
mechanism
we
have
right
now.
That's
that's!
That's
something
that
needs
to
be
a
little
bit
more
standardized
and
fine
too,
but
we
just
don't
there's
so
many
good
proof
of
feeling
blank
out
there
that
we
got
to
keep
working
on
that,
but
yeah.
E
F
Weakest
chain,
so,
let's
say
you've
got
by
them
right.
What
is
that?
Yes
weapon
chain
right?
That's
far,
the
dumbest
execution
environment.
You
can
imagine
full
turing-complete
execution,
environment,
there's
so
many
freaking
ways
you
could
have,
but
and
that
you're
going
to
tell
me
that
I
find
a
way
to
to
do
a
transfer
of
them,
and
you
happen
to
have
some
contracting
in
ether
and
I
can
interrupt
that,
which
means
I
can
port
it
to
above
I'm
fine.
They
can
speak.
That
protocol
can
speak.
That
change
make
the
change.
Oh,
my
god
right.
F
So
the
interim
is
not
always
a
good
thing.
Technically
right
right.
You
can
create
this.
Just
this
you'll
there's
a
member
G!
You
have
a
chain
a
real
chain
right,
the
longer
the
chain
gets
the
weaker.
It
gets,
because
the
probability
of
a
single
weak
link
increases
right.
The
more
change
you
Interop
with
the
weaker
your
entire
solution
gets
because
it's
probably
one
single
bug
being
exploitable
in
the
weakest
point,
increases
right
right.
So
going
back
to
your
initial
question
of,
why
do
we
think
that
it's
going
to
positive
to
include
some?
F
Why
is
there
a
parallel
with
the
long
tail?
It's
not
a
technical
problem.
It's
a
human
thing
right
right.
We
get
a
religion,
we
love
our
iPhones.
We
love
this
swipe
gesture,
oh
gosh,
it's
too
expensive.
Let's
get
a
cheaper,
okay
right
right,
that's
really
what
happens
and
then
some
people
say
I
hate
this
like
gesture,
but
really
humans
have
sort
of
a
this
building
thing
where
they
talk
to
each
other.
Yeah
I,
like
the
color
blue.
F
D
I
understand
I,
agree
with
that.
I
also,
don't
think
that
will
look
me
into
a
future
of
extensive
interoperability.
I
think
we
will
all.
We
will
converge
that
one
chain,
because
the
human
factor,
because
the
developers
base
the
tools,
is
the
easy
use
and
here's
a
key
indicator.
I
think
a
train
that
is
not
does
not
have
a
public
network
component
to
it
will
probably
not
be
the
winner.
That's
my
assumption.
You
guys
have
an
opinion
on
that.
I
know
you
do
a.
A
D
That
does
not
have
a
little
network
is,
will
not
will
will
not
be
the
winner.
You
need
to
have
some
public
network
component,
because
not
everyone's
going
to
want
to
defer
AWS
for
their
trust
mechanism,
the
distribution
for
the
distribution.
There
needs
to
be
a
decentralized
network
that
can
create
a
lattice
of
trust.
You
guys
haven't
been
here
on
that
I.
F
Wouldn't
they
take
I
want
to
pay
another
private
I
actually
think
that
that
type
of
talent
doesn't
exist
right
now,
public-private
chain
kind
of
deal
where
you
have
a
public
view,
little
private,
so
that
could
be
sprite.
Basically,
if
you
all
right,
no
yeah
right
meant
paper,
but
here's
my
overall
opinion
right.
F
If
you're
a
company
and
you're
in
offering
another
company
your
AT&T
and
t-mobile
right,
you
guys
are
going
to
want
a
private,
completely,
not
visible
to
the
public
change
for
whatever
you
guys
are
arguing
about
yourself
over
hey
he's,
my
customer,
no
she's,
my
customer
re
so
I
think
there
will
be
a
public
winner.
Definitely
it
might
be
a
theorem.
It
might
be
something
else
right
and
I.
Think
there'll
also
be
a
framework
that
will
be
used
by
people
doing
private
change
for
their
specific
source
shows
Davies
whatever.
So.
D
F
D
G
E
E
It's
it's
definitely
very
collaborative,
and
if
we
can
keep
doing
that,
then
I
think
we
can
scale
the
right
way,
but
it
is
the
human
vector
to
on
the
other
end.
We
are
selfish
people,
so
I
think
there's
a
natural
tendency
to
want
to
hang
on
to
my
my
chain
and
try
to
make
that
win
and
not
talk
to
that
other
dream.
D
Sure
so,
like
Iran,
has
articulated
private
chains,
rely
on
providers
further
distribution
for
the
trust
mechanism.
So,
if
you're
using
hi
pleasure,
you're
relying
on
most
likely
ibm's
bluemix
network
to
act
as
your
nose
in
the
network,
your
artificially
creating
that
distributed
distributed,
trust
because
the
distributed
trust
is
enough
of
a
threshold
trust.
What
a
Tinky
is
fine
with
the
18th.
He
doesn't
care
about.
You
know
100%
finality
you
they
just
care
about
yeah.
We
trusted
of
us
the
unlike
Buddhist
cross,
if
they
do
we'll
sue
them
permanently,
not
just
as
your
question.
D
C
G
C
Short
term,
that
means
that
a
rising
tide
that
lifts
all
boats.
So
if
we
are
in
a
position
where
all
of
us
are
trying
to
interoperate
play
together,
then
we
can
win
on
the
merits
of
the
valuable
service
and
so
the
in
the
mid
term.
We're
going
to
end
up
trying
to
interoperate
because
were
we
wanted
to
basically
lift
the
use
in
general
block
chains?
F
If
you're
going
to
have
an
enterprise
adoption
per
wheel
of
a
blockchain
technology
right,
we're
not
just
talking
about
a
you
know
a
PLC
done,
you
know
our
marketing
kind
of
deal,
it's
going
to
be
specific
to
that
enterprise
and
its
partners
and
the
other
gorillas
in
the
room.
Suppose
it's
Colin
girl
is
because
these
are
people.
Think
about
that
right.
So
remember!
F
Okay,
so
you've
got
the
girl.
You
have
20
monkeys
right,
so
I
mean
it
really.
Is
the
gorilla,
the
two
or
three
girls
who
are
fighting
amongst
themselves?
Maybe
one
of
the
girls
is
named
Uncle
Sam
right,
maybe
Joan
everyone,
those
those
girls,
think
that
by
facts
it
doesn't
matter
right
and
they
don't
trust
each
other
for
some
reason
right,
and
so
they
decided
to
do
a
blockchain
based
solution
on
something
Hey
Equifax.
We
don't
trust
you
to
manage
privacy,
so
every
particular
person
you
have
you
certify.
F
Every
transaction
come
to
the
most
value
requested
and
you
put
that
on
chains.
We
can
audit
you,
okay,
I'm,
probably
making
my
stuff.
This
is
a
terrible
idea.
So
all
right,
but
but
I
mean
come
into
being.
To
begin
with,
is
that
you
have
these
two
big
girls
playing
and
they'll
agree
to
the
terms
of
their
game
right
or
three
or
four
big
gorillas.
F
They'll
say
we're
going
to
do
this,
all
on
high
buggers,
optics
right
and
then
they're
going
to
say:
okay
and
now
anyone
who
wants
in
on
this
you
have
to
interrupt
with
this.
You
have
to
standardize
with
our
implementation
and
then
there's
gonna
be
a
person
who's,
an
interim
developers
and
say:
hey
I,
want
to
play
with
you,
but
I
don't
want
to
learn
you
or
implementation.
I
just
want
to
use
validity.
So
that's
how
it
all
happened.
F
D
H
D
H
Wasn't
a
economist:
perhaps
it
isn't
a
member
of
his
security
team
and
perhaps
he
saw
the
insecurity
in
in
modern
computing
system
and
felt
that
we
need
to
work
together
with
colleagues
to
create
some
sort
of
incentive
scheme
to
improve
computer
security
and
to
make
sure
that
took
off.
They
created
some
sort
of
a
scheme
with
some
sort
of
incentive
for
developers
and
out
of
that
came
blockchain,
and
then
the
next
step
would
be.
How
do
we
improve
languages
sufficiently?
F
Personally,
I
have
a
lot
of
personal
opinions
on
on
this
entire
anything
he
steals.
Etiology
is
tough.
The
right
word
right,
I
think
he
was
a
poker
player
who
got
pissed
that
he
couldn't
play
poker
legally,
because
the
very
first
commits
a
Bitcoin
article
compliant,
there's
actually
code,
says
hey
if
you've
got
this
hand
kind
of
stuff
right.
So
that's
what
I
think
is
the
driving
force
of
Bitcoin
specifically
see
one
like
open,
getaway
open,
that's
a
different
story,
though
that's
when
I
can
back
it
up
to
some
degree
right.
F
Let's
take
a
look
at
all
chains.
What
myrtle
trees
are
not
you
write
the
merkel
proofs,
we're
done
one.
Eighty
four,
eighty
five
right.
First,
good
deeds
of
myrtle
trees
were
the
new
york
times
and
as
charity
right
where
they
did
time
stamps
and
then
tracking
up
the
articles
ever
been
what
is
kicked
and
ever-growing
Merkle
tree
by
definition.
F
It's
also
history
between
my
instance,
where
I
am
a
developer
and
the
main
server
into
watching
right,
but
there
have
been
multiple
uses
of
these
block
chains,
kind
of
things,
and
so
far
I
mean
those
seem
to
be
good
uses
right.
It
does
seem
to
me
that
that
is
the
etiology
it
arose
from
these.
There
was
a
specific
thing
that
happened,
a
vertical
proof.
H
In
order
to
bring
them
together,
I
think
you
would
have
to
have
a
language
feature
which
are
completely
different
than
say
C++,
or
even
some
of
the
attempts
of
the
HC
sure
you'd
have
to
actually
have
a
capabilities
based
program
at
the
University,
probably
used
quite
some
time
ago.
In
fact,
there's
even
example.
Other
than
University
of
Washington
is
in
Plessy
I.
Think
it's
a
250
page
screen.
Please
hear
that
still
is
useful.
A
F
Right
and
anyway,
right,
if
I,
can
put
a
chip
on
the
bus
and
see
the
transfers,
great
you're,
know
secure
anymore
right,
so
I
think
that
secure
environment
like
you're
talking
about
really
is
a
total
hardware
solution
or
even
DMA
can
access
what's
going
on
so
I.
Just
don't
believe
that.
So
that's
my
personal
opinion
now
I've
done
security,
work,
I've,
designed
and
worked
on
scary
projects,
including
behavior
detection.
Things
like
that.
So.
D
B
C
So
from
our
experience
and
our
experience
when
we
work
with
contortion,
like
Alaska
and
in
black
chain,
each
of
the
different
organizations
within
those
sorta
have
different
needs.
So
some
of
the
Rings
and
Agri
letters
in
Coram
summary,
so
the
Interop
is
being
driven
from
the
business
case
like
if
we
were
going
to
use
this
across
a
number
of
different
industries
and
and
businesses
they
need
to
have
Interop.
Otherwise,
it's
a
non-starter.
F
E
E
Is
it
with
the
right
tooling
as
its
being
agnostic,
because
it
a
chance
for
the
professor
to
to
have
a
vision
of
nowhere
to
go
I'm
not
feeling
like
they're
limited
to
just
you
know
one
chain
or
what
not
like
to
your
point,
because
they
can
get
scared,
you
don't
to
make
the
wrong
decision
so
to
speak,
and
so
the
more
of
an
end-to-end
solution
that
we
can
create.
Let
me
just
put
out
a
kind
of
a
DevOps
solution
and
beta
now,
each
one
that
gives
much
as
we
can
for
the
developer
to
do
everything.
D
Reason:
I
don't
believe
that
is
because
the
only
way
that
could
be
possible
is
in
different
use
cases
facilitated,
need
to
build
on
different
trains
and
I.
Don't
think
that's
how
things
actually
happen
in
the
real
world,
even
if
it's,
even
if
a
one
chain
is
more
difficult
to
build
on
or
it's
not
great
for
every
use
case,
there
will
be
some
driving
factor.
It'll
be
the
tooling
will
be
a
developer.
Community
it'll
be
the
social
human
aspect
in
order
to
try
everything
to
that.
D
I
F
Mean,
oh,
if
I'm
on
right,
he's
dead,
he's
an
abstraction
on
top
of
the
physical
model
right
and
there
are
other
abstractions
there
was.
I
PX
right,
nothing
like
that.
They
didn't
win
and
he's
got
to
be
one
not
because
of
a
consortium
because
they
once
they
starting
at
a
head
one
people
sign
and
put
support
in
their
drivers.
F
D
F
I
think
and
Robin,
maybe
there'll
be
a
simpler
to
run
the
smart
contract
from
one
language
from
from
one
chain
to
another
or
one
language
to
know
who
exists
or
developers
double
notarizing
or
something
that
will
happen
but
I,
don't
think
there'll
be
a
full
inter
up
like
there's
a
giant
consortium
thing
and
you
follow
the
standard
use
this
library
and
you
pay.
This
be
I
really.
D
I'm
so
sorry
to
keep
laboring
the
point,
but
think
about
the
developer
community
and
the
tools
that
have
been
built
around
a
theory
under
how
painful
that
process
has
been.
If
you
get
it
here,
involvement
for
a
couple
of
years
and
we're
living
in
a
completely
different
world
now
than
I
think
on
right
and
we're
gonna
have
to
go
that
same
process
with
what
can
change
2,200
genes,
that's
less
likely,
I!
Think
it's
most
likely
like
one.
Maybe
do
both
of
us
do
fix
every
killing.
F
A
F
Your
hello
world
level,
programming
right
and
this
is
the
developer
kind
of
survey-
has
written
a
hollow
world,
a
theory
of
our
contract
on
a
private
network.
Great
just
raise
your
hand,
don't
ask
okay,
moving
on
any
sort
of
any
form
of
high
plunge
I,
don't
care
which
flavor
notice
that
the
hands
did
not
overlap.
I
F
Right,
it's
the
human
factor,
because
the
hands-on
overlap,
there's
no
driver
printer
on
and
if
I,
everyone
change,
st.
dragon
who
hears
I'm,
not
a
dragon,
raise
hands
right,
there's
the
power
law.
This
is
a
human
cost
thing,
not
a
technical
thing.
There's
no
technical
reason
further.
Adopt
me
in
a
row.
I
just
don't
need
social
factors
over
there.
C
C
That
is
that,
at
the
beginning
of
these
kinds
of
industries,
you
have
a
lot
of
competitors
who
are
competing
directly
against
each
other
block
team
is
a
unique
environment
because
as
one
as
one
group
as
one
entity
within
that
larger
group
succeeds,
everyone
gets
to
take
advantage
of
that
success,
as
well
as
proof
of
concept
or
what
or
are
alive
whatever,
but
as
or
as
these
industries
mature,
there
is
going
to
be
a
shakeout
there
is
going
to
be
in.
There
are
going
to
be
interoperability
issues,
and
so.
D
C
Are
kind
of
at
the
we
call
this
the
etherium
2.0
meetup,
because
we're
moving
beyond
this
we're
gonna
win
Murnaghan
for
the
best?
Okay,
let's
be
more
realistic
about
what
the
future
looks
like
and
let's
make
sure
that
we
were
talking
to
trying
to
find
what
users
need
blood
enterprises
need
and
then
work
together
to
find
out
what
that
solution
is
because
eventually
there
will
be
a
lot
of
shakeout,
but
we
also
want
to
be
here
participating
in
this
industry
and
moving
things
forward.
F
D
F
D
F
F
The
first
core
problem
enterprise
faces
is
who's,
gonna
pay
for
what
right,
and
so
usually
it
becomes
a.
You
can't
bring
your
guys
because
they
might
do
something
the
wrong
way,
because
we
don't
trust
them
so
we'll
have
to
hire
new
guys
right.
Who's,
gonna
pay,
these
new
guys
and
gals
right,
I
read
anything
was
a
dinner.
F
Digital
writing
tend
to
go,
write
the
code
and
Bill
stand
up
the
servers
and
stuff
like
that,
and
the
only
way
that
they
really
come
to
that
answer
is
Davies
will
make
a
joint-venture
will
make
a
new
company
a
holding
company
specifically
for
this
project
right,
that's
problem,
one
and
that's
a
terrible
answer.
That's.
D
D
F
F
The
cat
ran
more
than
Amendola
Merkle
tree
out
of
that
one
per
line
right
just
proof
of
concept,
kind
of
stuff
and
then
just
profile
that
right,
it's
terrible
once
you
hatch
anything,
the
speed
of
your
transaction
just
goes
through
the
floor
right
and
even
if
you
were
to
use
you
know,
we
argued
over.
You
know
application-specific
integrated
circuits
being
used
for
those
hashing.
If
you
do
that,
then
you
have
to
pay
the
number
cost
of
getting
to
wherever
you
posted
your
servers
right.
F
So
there
will
always
be
a
relatively
high
transaction
for
a
second
limitation
and
then
what
you
laughing
at
the
math,
where
we
are
now
really
yeah.
So
right
now
hyper
ledger.
Right
now
is
the
best
case
scenario
unverified
online,
no
poet
enable
right
or
anything
else,
crazy,
like
that
and
you're
talking
a
data
payload
size
of
maybe
let's
say,
five
good
lines
of
text.
F
B
B
D
D
D
A
A
G
G
Plenary
sessions
with
you
know
some
of
the
top
thought
leaders
in
in
blockchain,
joe
luginbill,
be
speaking
from
consensus
as
well
as
just
a
just
fantastic
panel.
There
are
still
tickets
available.
You
can
I'll
put
some
Flyers
out
back
or
on
the
table
in
the
back.
You
can
99
bucks
for
all
three
days.