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From YouTube: Risks And Challenges In Blockchain Adoption
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A virtual meetup hosted by Hyperledger Dubai and Abu Dhabi on June 13, 2020 featuring Misha Hanin, Co-Founder and CEO of DeepDive and iRangers, discussing the risks and challenges with blockchain adoption.
More about the event is at: https://www.meetup.com/Hyperledger-Dubai/events/271082208/
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A
We
have
divided
this
today's
event
in
three
sessions
for
the
first
half
an
hour,
our
guest
speaker
will
be
giving
the
presentation.
Then
we
will
have
an
interactive
session.
That
I
will
be
asking
questions
that
most
of
the
organizations
and
people
ask
about
the
blockchain
solutions,
and
in
the
last
we
will
have
an
un
section.
Where
you
can
ask
your
questions,
you
can
unmute
your
mic.
You
can
also
use
the
chat
window
to
ask
your
question
throughout
the
meter
as
well.
A
Thanks
government,
blockchain
association,
GBA
Yui,
especially
mr.
moments,
shahnawaz,
for
promoting
this
event.
Today,
our
guest
speaker
is
mr.
Misha
Henan,
who
is
the
co-founder
and
CEO
of
deep
dive
and
I
Rangers
he's
he
has
25
years
of
experience
working
in
the
field
of
information
technology
and
he
has
implemented
the
innovative
and
the
solutions
using
reading
technology
around
the
globe.
Thank
You
mr.
A
Misha
for
joining
us
and
giving
us
time
to
talk
about
risk
and
challenges
in
blockchain
adoption,
especially,
he
will
be
sharing
the
thoughts
and
the
experience,
what
exactly
the
enterprise
need
and
why
they
are
in
weight
mode
in
implementing
blockchain
till
now.
So
I
hope
this
session
will
help
you
to
understand
the
risks
and
challenges,
especially
for
the
solution
providers,
the
issue
they
are
facing.
What
should
be
done
to
make
go
option
implementation,
real
so
stage
is
all
yours
Domitian!
Thank
you
and,
yes,
you
can
Oh
guys.
B
Can
you
get
I
mean
yes,
No
yeah?
We
can
hear
you
okay,
awesome,
so
sing
concerns.
Thank
you
very
much
for
having
me
here
today
and
I'm
really
excited
to
actually
talk
about
this
really
hot
and
important
talk
topic.
One
thing
that
I
would
like
to
learn
to
say
at
the
beginning.
Guy,
you
know
I
didn't
prepare
this
presentation
as
a
as
a
presentation
of
technical
and
technical
stuff.
B
So,
let's,
let's
begin
with
with
our
topic
today
and
I,
really
really
want
to
start
with
the
with
the
first
thing
that
I
envision
a
lot
a
lot
of
technical
people
and
blockchain
evangelist
I
would
say,
then
they
believe
in
myth
that
enterprises
excited
about
blockchain.
And,
if
you
ask
me,
I,
wouldn't
say
so,
and
one
of
the
reasons
that
it's
not
happening.
I'm
talking
about
excitement,
it's
it's
really
simple.
Enterprises
have
been
challenged
to
even
understand
what
is
bhakti.
B
We
believe,
like
a
lot
of
technical
people,
believe
that
blockchain
technology
faces
obstacles
and
when
we
talk
about
obstacles,
many
many
of
us,
especially
people
with
a
lot
of
technical
background,
will
say
that
the
biggest
obstacles
right
now
with
the
technology
adoption
special
blockchain,
it's
a
scalability,
how
we
scaled
the
this
adoption
network
speed.
Of
course,
we,
whenever
we
talk
like
technical
people,
will
talk
to
two
executives
and
enterprises.
We're
talking
about
network
speed,
we're
talking
about
scalability
of
the
infrastructure,
we're
talking
about
the
IT
cost.
B
B
B
Unfortunately,
what
we
see
that
a
lot
of
enterprises
were
never
you
meet
with
experts
in
blockchain,
whatever
we
say
to
them,
they
consider
as
a
gibberish.
They
don't
understand
the
world,
they
don't
understand
the
concept,
they
don't
understand,
technical
aspects.
We
believe
that
whatever
we
did
and
discuss
with
with
enterprises,
it's
something
really
important
to
them,
and
we
talking
about
it
centralization,
we're
talking
about
speed,
we're
talking
about
security,
we're
talking
about
all
the
benefits
of
the
blockchain,
and
we
believe.
B
Let's
see
what
in
reality
have
happens,
actually
a
majority
of
businesses
enterprises.
They
do
believe
that
blockchain
will
introduce
the
new
business
models
and
value
chains,
so
they
really
don't
care
about
blockchain
and
it
doesn't
matter
what
kind
of
boccie
they're
really
looking
on
something
on
some
technology
that
can
introduce
the
new
business
models.
B
So
this
is
one
of
the
most
important
piece
that
the
enterprise
is
looking
today.
So
if
we
as
blockchain
evangelist
integrators,
will
commence
and
we'll
start
talking
about
business
models
that
blockchain
allows
to
have,
we
will
we
will
grab
another
attention
different
attention,
totally
a
lot
of
enterprises
talking
about
greater
security,
they
really
willing
to
lower
the
risk.
So
it
was
many
many
resources
around
the
globe
and
all
those
researchers
plus-or-minus
coming
to
the
same
numbers
that
businesses
really
looking
to
get
new
business
models.
B
They
are
looking
to
have
greater
speed,
speed
compared
to
the
existing
systems.
This
is
another
angle
that
we
really
need
to
keep
in
mind
when
we
talk
to
enterprises
they're
looking
for
speed,
and
this
is
probably
what
we
need
to
start.
Our
conversation
from
like
when
we
talk
about
blockchain,
really
not
to
talk
about
blocky
I
would
say
we
need
to
start
to
talk
about
business
models.
We
need
to
talk
about
security,
that
those
new
business
models
will
bring
to
the
table.
Talk
about
speed,
greater
transparency.
This
is
actually
very
a
really
interesting
one.
B
Unfortunately,
enterprises
really
is
our
key
to
this,
about
11%
of
all
their
importance
to
have
this
transparency
so
something
to
keep
in
mind
you-
and
this
is
probably
I-
would
say
the
one
of
the
most
important
aspects.
What
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
when
we
try
to
bring
blockchain
to
enterprises,
what
their
real
real,
real
barriers
that
we
are
facing
and
and
by
the
way
it
doesn't
matter
in
what
region
of
the
world-
and
it
almost
doesn't
matter
in
what
industry
and
the
particular
enterprise
is
working.
B
We
see
that
those
those
challenges
almost
on
a
regular
basis,
one
of
them
its
regulatory
issues,
many
industries,
especially
big
enterprises.
They
need
to
follow
particular
restrictions,
particle
compliances
and
whenever
we
deal
with
blockchain,
we
will
need
to
keep
that
in
mind
and
every
time
when
we
talk
about
blockchain
with
the
enterprises.
This
is
probably
one
of
the
aspects
that
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
when
we
talk
about
block
G,
okay,
how
it
well
business
will
will
stay
compliant
with
regulators
when
they
will
adopt
the
blockchain.
B
Another
big,
really
big,
big
barrier,
that
we
see
a
lot
okay-
and
there
were
actually
two
days
ago,
had
a
really
interesting
conversation
here
with
one
of
our
clients
and
that
they
were
bringing
this
constantly
to
the
table,
and
then
they
challenged
blockchain
adoption
with
coexistence
with
the
legacy
systems.
So
implementation
big,
asking
questions
how
the
new
technology,
in
our
case
it's
a
blockchain,
will
be
integrated
with
the
legacy
ecosystems.
We
see
this
constantly
on
that
enterprises.
Have
this
fear
that
the
systems
not
going
to
be
interconnected
with
the
legacy
systems?
B
Well
we're
participating
in
a
lot
of
event.
A
lot
of
conferences
and
unfortunately,
I
absorbed
one
interesting
pattern:
a
lot
of
innovation,
blockchain
innovators.
When
they
talk
about
new
technology,
about
stop
DD
bringing
to
to
business
bringing
to
enterprise,
they
do
not
mention
how
the
integration
will
happen
with
the
legacy
systems.
This
is
something
quite
interesting
and
enterprises.
They
really
want
to
hear
this,
how
it
will
be
integrated
with
the
legacy
system.
Ok,
so
really
something
to
keep
in
mind
potential
security
threats.
B
I
would
say
that
we-
probably
all
of
us,
doing
not
a
great
so
great
job,
to
explain
to
enterprises
the
all
the
security
potentials
about
the
blockchain.
We
do
hear
a
lot,
a
lot
of
complaints
from
from
enterprises
that
security,
it's
important
for
them
and
they
do
not
sure
if
blockchain
will
actually
bring
with
them
extra
security
they
actually
considering
that
it
will
bring,
will
expose
them
even
more
from
security
perspective,
and
we
definitely
need
to
do
better
job.
Explaining
that
and
my
personal
opinion.
B
Unfortunately,
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
people
nowadays
still,
they
believe
that
crypto
and
blockchain
is
synonymous
and
every
time
when
we
hear
that
some
cryptic
change
get
hacked
or
something
happened
in
some
financial
institute
and
some
blocking
assets
disappeared,
it's
actually
raising
every
time
the
the
concern
that
enterprises
have
about
security
security
traps,
the
next
one.
It's
quite
interesting
this
one,
it's
really
not
easy
to
discuss
with
enterprises,
uncertain
return
on
investment
ROI.
B
This
is
one
of
the
questions
that
we
hear
quite
often
when
we
talk
to
two
executives
about
blockchain
they
understand.
Actually,
there
is
a
really
good
statistics
about
that
that
a
lot
of
enterprises
nowadays
put
blockchain
adoption
on
their
roadmap
and
the
percentage
is
really
really
high
and
they
willing
to
move
move
forward,
and
even
this
year,
it's
even
more
that
then
it
was
previous
years.
However,
we
still
have
the
same
question
about
your
wife.
B
What
will
happen
where
with
or
why,
when
when
they
will
get
the
investment
invested
money
in
the
technology
back?
This
is
quite
quite
interesting
one,
and
we
would
consider
this
also
as
one
of
the
barriers
that
we
need
to
overcome.
Actually,
we
need
to
help
enterprises
to
overcome
and
we
need
to
do
a
better
job
to
explain
well
what
they
are,
why
for
them
by
adopting
blockchain
the
next
one
is
probably
also
quite
interesting.
One.
A
lot
of
enterprises
decided
deciding
not
to
do
anything
with
blockchain
because
of
lack
of
in-house
capabilities.
B
They
believe
that
local
expertise,
it's
not
enough
to
implement
blockchain
echo
system-
and
this
is
quite
interesting
and
probably
like
land.
This
is
why
one
of
the
steps
that
we
need
to
start
to
really
push
forward
majority
of
enterprises
and
talk
to
them
how
people
can
gain
the
required
knowledge
about
blockchain,
and
it's
not
just
about
technical
aspects,
how
how
to
write
code,
smart
contracts
or
anything
like
that,
how
to
deploy
maintenance.
It's
not
about
that.
It's
it's
even
more!
More
knowledge
required
about
blockchain.
B
This
is
this
one:
when
I
was
reading
the
report,
one
of
the
elastic
reports
from
Deloitte
this
one
actually
was
quite
quite
interesting,
discovering
a
lot
of
people
who
tries
to
bring
in
blockchain
solutions
to
enterprises
emphasized
to
enterprise,
all
the
benefits
of
blockchain,
decentralization,
all
the
aspects
of
immutable
data,
all
the
aspects,
how
blockchain
actually
works
without
having
centralized
Authority
controls
it
and
so
on.
So
on
the
interesting
fact
that
enterprises
actually
looking
on
this
technology
absolutely
from
different
angles.
B
Today,
block
chain
models.
Organizations
are
focused
on
actually
majority.
It's
a
private
blockchain
enterprise's,
don't
wanna
go
with
the
public
blockchain
ecosystems.
They
are
really
looking
for
the
private
ball.
Okay,
that
actually
deployed
internally
in
in
the
organization.
On
the
second
position,
it's
a
permission
blockchain,
so
it
they
still
want
to
be
in
a
position
that
they
control
who
has
access
or
who
can
who
can
do
some
changes
on
the
blockchain?
B
So,
technically,
if
you
will
look
on
that,
we
will
see
that
a
lot
of
messages
that
the
many
organizations
around
the
globe
stop
trying
to
deliver
to
enterprises
all
the
benefits
of
the
blockchain,
not
really
hurt
by
enterprises,
because
enterprises
want
to
have
different
kind
of
blockchain
on
the
third
position.
It's
actually
integration
with
multiple
chains.
B
This
is
quite
interesting
one
because
and
actually
I
really
finding
a
lot
of
similarity
where,
when
I
talk
about
integration
of
multiple
chains
with
with
cloud
adoption
about
seven
years
ago,
I
remember,
I,
I
was
asked
one
question,
many
many
many
times
every
time
when,
when
I
talk
to
executives
from
doing
different
corporations,
now
one
of
the
questions
was
nisha
to
what
cloud
should
be
move
and
the
question
was
always
like:
should
we
go
to
Google?
Should
we
go
to
AWS?
Should
we
go
to
Amazon
IBM
whatever
right?
B
B
They
have
presents
almost
in
every
dated
center
or
Google
Data
Center
and
AWS
data
center
distributed
around
the
globe.
Ok
and
now
they
know
even
not
satisfied
with
that
they
introduce
in
traditional
cloud
window
where,
where
we
will
put
multiple
nodes
there
and
they
will
have
a
multi
cloud,
echo
system
so
coming
back
to
the
blockchain
ecosystem,
where
we
see
now
that
some
organizations
already
started
to
talk
about
having
multi
chains.
B
You
probably
heard
a
lot
that
the
centralized
abs
it's
one
of
the
best
benefits
that
blockchain
brings
to
the
table.
Unfortunately,
enterprises
a
lot
of
enterprises-
don't
really
see
this
this
way.
Okay,
so
we
definitely
need
to
be
really
careful
with
the
message
that
we
can--we
to
enterprises
and
what
emphasis
we
do
on
the
owner
message
that
you
bring
into
them.
B
So
one
of
the
questions,
the
most
important
questions
you
probably
want
to
ask
me
now
what
is
needed
to
make
blockchain
adoption
real,
how
we
explain
to
enterprises
that
what
we're
talking
about
is
really
good
and
they
really
need
to
consider
and
move
with
it
of
all.
I
would
say
that
they
already
understand
that
blockchain,
it's
something
that
they
will
be
I,
don't
want
to
say
force,
but
they
will
be
required
to
to
adopt.
So
it's
just
matter
of
time
and
my
respond
will
be
really
simple.
B
What
is
needed
to
to
explain
to
enterprises
that
blockchain
is
needed?
Probably
the
first
first
first
thing:
we
need
to
change,
not
enterprises.
We
need
to
change
the
message
that
we're
bringing
to
those
executives
to
boards
to
enterprises.
When
we
talk
about
blockchain,
we
really
need
to
learn
what
business
is
really
looking
for,
what
they
expecting
to
have,
what
they're
paying
we
need
to
do
more,
much
better
business
analysis.
B
So
we
need
to
change
the
message
where
how
we
talk
about
blockchain,
we
need
to
change
a
message:
how
how
we
bring
blockchain
solutions
to
the
world
and
it's
not
about
technology
technology.
Is
there
and
thing,
and
blockchain
itself
already
proved
that
it's
a
decent
technology
and
it
should
be
implemented
by
enterprise?
So
we
really
need
to
think
about
how
we
bridge
the
company
bring
the
communication
gap
between
blockchain
people
and
businesses,
so
I
think
we
need
to
start
from
from
this.
B
So
this
is
something
that
I
would
say.
We
need
to
change
to
win
the
game.
This
is
a
probably
one
of
the
most
important
pieces
right
now.
It's
not
technology.
I
would
say
that
today,
every
time
when
we
will
step
in
to
the
meeting
room
with
that
presenter
price
and
we'll
start
talking
about
blockchain
from
the
technology
angle,
we
probably
gonna
wanna
miss
this
conversation.
We
are
not
going
to
move
forward
with
the
enterprise
at
least
not
easily.
So
let's
talk
about
this.
B
You
I
actually
wanted
to
really
make
this.
This
presentation,
the
relatively
short
and
my
intention-
was
to
keep
as
much
as
possible
time
for
the
conversation
for
for
questions
and
for
questions
and
to
have
the
open
mic
and
hear
your
challenges.
Guys
and
I
will
be
able
to
help.
I
will
be
honored
to
share
my
experience
and
how
how
we
deal
with
those
challenges
if
we
face
them
so
yeah
feel
free
to
ask
any
questions
in
meantime.
A
Thank
you.
Miss
me
sure
it
was
a
really
nice
presentation
that
you
have
I
highlighted
the
real
challenges
we
are
facing
nowadays
for
the
blockchain
and
adoption.
So
thank
you.
Basically,
I
will
I
have
a
list
of
courses
that
most
people
also
ask
that
then,
before
going
to
the
question
of
the
audience
that
suppose
some
people
says
that
the
blockchain.
A
Providing
the
block
can
solution,
they
always
say,
like
the
blockchain
is
like
internet
with
a
huge
turbo
engine
with
endless
high
power
fuel,
but
some
people
The
Economist's
phase-
that
blockchain
is
the
one
of
the
most
over
high
technology
ever.
So.
What
are
your
thoughts?
It?
Is
it
really
most
over
height
or
we
should
wait
and
something
best
to
yet
to
come.
So
what
are
your
thoughts.
B
And
it's
actually
really,
unfortunately,
blockchain
ecosystem.
Real
blockchain
majority
of
hype
is
actually
comes
from
financial
sector
and
crypto
okay.
So
this
is
where,
where
the
hype
is
coming
from,
I
wouldn't
say
that
there
is
a
lot
of
hype
about
enterprise,
blockchain
solutions,
okay,
you
know,
we
barely
hear
it
here
and
there
here
and
there,
but
it's
not
a
lot.
B
If
we
will
talk
about
technology
adoption,
my
personal
belief
that
blockchain
technology,
it's
actually
something
bigger
than
Internet
itself,
okay,
and
we
will
see
a
lot,
a
lot
of
use
cases
where,
with
the
blockchain,
when
it
will
happen,
it's
another
child.
Another
question:
it's
not
going
to
happen,
probably
next
year
or
next
2-3
years.
Okay,
it
will
take
much
more
and
again,
it's
just
my
personal
opinion.
B
It
will
take
more,
however,
and
the
adoption
will
start
and
I
would
say
that
adoption
already
started
already
started
and
we
see
more
and
more
cases
about
blockchain
and
they're
really
glad
to
see
use
cases
outside
of
the
financial
sector.
So
for
as
an
example
really
proud.
We
were
selected
as
a
vendor
to
to
help
build
a
really
big
global
supply
chain
ecosystem
that
we
will
trace.
The
recycle
might
have
recycled
material
around
the
globe.
Okay,
nothing
to
do
with
the
script.
Oh
100%,
blockchain
solution.
B
It
ma'am
excited
about
the
opportunity
to
beat
you
have
to
build
it
and
move
with
it.
So,
yes,
it
will
come
another
aspect
that
I
really
want
to
emphasize
is
and
I
also
believe
that
it's
true
blockchain,
it's
not
a
silver
bullet
blockchain
is
not
going
to
solve
any
problems
of
of
the
world,
not
every
solution.
Every
problem
can
be
solved
with
watching.
Okay,
unfortunately,
I
see
a
lot
a
lot
of
people
talking
about
blockchain
from
perspective.
Oh,
it's!
A
solution
for
everything.
B
I
walked
away
from
conversations
and
meetings
where
I
saw
that
blockchain
is
not
needed
for
this
particular
enterprise.
Okay,
even
though
they
they
wanted
to
have
blockchain
integrated
and
they
wanted
to
move
move
with
it.
They
were
unable
to
explain
to
me
why
they
even
want
to
have
a
project
okay,
so
they
just
wanted
to
follow
the
hype,
but
it's
not
needed.
Okay.
B
So,
as
a
summary,
I
would
say,
yeah
blockchain
will
come
will
will
be
part
of
our
life
will
be
part
of
enterprise
and
a
life
of
enterprises,
with
probably
in
five
seven
years,
we'll
see
blockchain
in
some
some
shape.
Almost
in
every
big
enterprises.
Special
enterprises
that
have
a
global
scale
for
sure.
A
B
A
It
or
not,
so
thank
you
and
second
question
are
along
along.
You
also
mentioned
in
your
presentation
as
well
that,
along
with
many
benefits,
like
trust,
transparency
and
others
provides,
but
I
thought
basically
for
the
enterprise.
They
think
that
it's
very
complicated
system
and
definitely
speed
mr.
the
thing
to
worry
for
them
for
the
Interpol.
So
how
being
a
solution
provider
we
can
satisfy
them
with
the
current
possibility
is
a
possible
solution
available
how
somewhere
we
can
provide
the
solution
in
this
situation.
I.
B
B
So
that,
then
the
message
was
adjusted
and
the
new
vocabulary
was
introduced
to
enterprises,
and
now,
whenever
we
moved
in
any
workload
from
enterprise
to
the
cloud,
we
build
it
in
in
a
hybrid
mode
in
coexistence
scenario
right,
so
enterprises
see
that
they
have
no
risk
if
they
need
to
move
food
back
from
the
cloud
on
Prem
that
they
can
do
that.
They
can
leverage
both
ecosystems.
There
are
legacy
ecosystem
and
the
new
cloud
ecosystem.
B
If
it
will
try
to
learn
from
that,
and
we
will
talk
about
blockchain
adoption
by
enterprises
and
how
we
going
to
integrate
the
blockchain
doesn't
matter
what
blocking
solution
with
the
enterprise
psycho
system,
the
current
enterprise
ecosystem.
If
we
will
demonstrate
this
to
two
executives
that
it
will
work
and
they
have
no
risk
to
start
adopting,
even
as
a
pilot,
the
new
ecosystem
solutions,
then
we
will.
C
B
C
This
is
indeed
technology
where
we
have
lot
of
advantages.
One
silver
lining
which
I
see
is
like
IBM
with
the
a
product
called
cross,
your
supplier,
what
it
is
they
implemented
in
their
own
ecosystem
and
they
were
they
are
showing
the
benefits
out
of
it.
So
if
we
are
talking
to
corporate
Soviet
into
enterprises
for
us
also,
we
have
very
limited
information.
Obviously
we
can
google
it,
but
we
are
very
limited
information
of
proper
success
story
at
a
higher
magnitude.
C
There
are
obviously
projects
which
are
working
in
blockchain
technology,
but
the
thing
is:
when
we
go
to
talk
to
them.
We
don't
have
that
back.
So
there
can
be
find
successful,
is
trust
your
supplier
I
got
that
heater,
but
that
they
are
using
in
their
own
enterprise
to
come
up
to
attract
more
attract,
more
codfish
to
a
doctor.
So
back
and
if
I
mean
like,
is
there
some
repository?
Maybe
we
can
see
you
get
there
at
these
culprits
which
are
working
on
this
and
we
can
use
that
repository.
Get
people
who
embrace
pot.
B
It's
really
interesting
and
challenging,
and
we
just
last
week
internally
in
deep
dive
and
had
this
conversation,
and
we
came
to
conclusion
that
we're
going
to
do
our
own
research
and
probably
will
be
publishing
the
results
of
this
research
shortly,
we'll
see
the
we
didn't
decide.
Yet,
if
you
want
to
do
this
public,
what
we
see
a
lot
right
now
and
that-
and
you
actually
just
waste
this-
that
there's
no,
not
enough
information
and
prove
that
blockchain
is
really
yet
adopted
by
many
and
many
companies
and
enterprise.
B
If
we
will
read
and
carefully
we'll
pay
attention
to
words
used
by
many
organizations,
we
will
see
kind
of
written
underlines
that
whatever
they
do
with
blockchain,
it's
currently
at
the
stage
of
proof
of
concept
they
developing
MVP
product
and
they
experimenting
they
do
research.
There
is
not
based,
on
my
knowledge,
a
huge
huge
list
of
success
stories
that
really
100%
moved
to
blockchain
move
their
production
to
the
blocky.
Okay,
I'm,
not
saying
that
I
guarantee
that
this
is
the
case.
B
Okay,
so
we
are
actually
considering
every
client
that
works
with
us
as
a
product
development
partner.
If
you
will
okay
and
we
just
go
with
them
on
this
journey,
taking
them
through
this
digital
transformation
process
and
trying
to
develop
clocks
in
solution
for
them
together
with
that,
okay,
not
just
by
referencing,
to
particular
use
case.
C
So
the
I
have
two
part
question.
The
first
part
is
since
you
implementing
blockchain,
have
you
come
across
a
for
example,
hospitals,
the
government's
where
there's
the
cross
enterprise
communication
right
using
blood
enterprise
blockchain?
What?
If
you,
if
you
implemented
such
use
case,
what
were
the
savings?
You
know,
for
example,
I,
like
I,
applied
to
some
some
government.
You
know
entities
will
be
register,
for
example
a
company,
and
we
had
to
go
through
three
four
companies
right.
C
So
if
there's
a
space
mistake
in
one
of
the
addresses
the
the
company
entity,
a
says,
go
back
and
corrected,
go
to
another
entity
be
and
get
it
corrected
right.
The
reason
is
happening
because
there's
no
communication
between
entity
a
and
T
be
and
ATC
right,
because
they're
frightened
about
you
know,
sharing
the
data
leaking.
The
data,
so
I
see
there's
a
huge,
huge
advantage
of
block
chain
here.
My
question
is:
did
you
implement
such
you
know,
cross
enterprise,
communication
or
already
called
interoperability
between
to
to
enterprises?
C
B
We
didn't
implement
it
yet
in
full
production
where
evermore,
multiple
discussions
with
multiple
projects-
that's
supposed
to
start
relatively
soon,
so
it
we
work
well
and
preparing
this
ecosystem.
Okay.
So
it's
more
on
prayer
project
face
okay,
so
we
don't
have
this
experience
to
say.
Oh,
we
did
this
for
for
health
industry.
Okay,
we
do
work
with
health
health
ecosystem.
B
For
many
years
we
have
a
tremendous
experience
working
with
health
ecosystem
back
in
Canada
and
one
of
the
biggest
health
industries,
health
ecosystem
in
Canada,
with
more
than
60,000
people
organization,
not
using
blockchain
right
now,
okay,
but
we
we
we,
we
know
there
are
Co
system
really
really
well
like
we.
We
no
this
domain
I
probably
said
I
would
say
on
the
levels
that
not
so
many
organizations
in
the
world
would
be
able
to
do
it
to
declare.
So
so
we
know
they're
the
flow.
We
know
the
process
as
we
know
applications.
C
B
If
I
have
not
mistaken
like
few
dozens
of
applications
and
services
that
were
interconnected
with
the
single
sign-on.
By
doing
that,
just
this
one.
When
we
finalized
the
project,
it
was
proven
that
people
that
organizations
saved,
on
average
one
working
day
for
every
medical
personnel
in
the
ecosystem
so
think
about
this.
B
Just
one
day,
like
it's
about
eight
hours,
a
day
was
eight
hours
a
week
was
saved
just
by
implementing
one
one
small
piece
of
single
sign-on
that
doctors
and
other
medical
personnel
shouldn't
require
every
time
to
type
their
password
again
and
again
in
the
game.
Okay,
even
let's
pull
put
aside
the
challenge
to
remember
multiple
passwords
for
multiple
systems.
B
Ok,
this
does
one
use
case.
Ok,
the
savings
financial
search
savings
was
huge.
It
was
almost
impossible
to
calculated,
but
not
financial,
just
productivity
from
productivity
perspective
and
from
amount
of
life
savings
think
about
it.
People
dying
actually
because
sometimes
they
are
not
getting
treatment
fast
enough,
because
it
was
a
challenge
for
some
doctor
to
authenticate
in
particular
system.
Just
this
one
like
it's,
it's
a
huge
benefit
for
the
industry.
Now,
let's
apply
this.
B
This
use
case
to
the
blockchain
we're
talking
here.
Probably
if
I
will
say
we
be
talking
about
my
multiplication
by
100,
it's
probably
going
to
be
really
underestimated.
Okay,
so
it's
going
to
be
huge
savings,
not
just
financial.
It's
also
operational
savings
and
life
savings.
So
this
is
why
I'm
I'm
really
fascinating
about
bringing
blockchain
to
the
health
industry,
but
it's
probably
not
going
to
run
really
really
fast,
because
health
industry
is
one
of
the
most
conservative
industries
in
the
world.
So
adoption
of
the
new
you
know
new
stuff
in
this
industry
takes
time.
B
Okay
and
sometimes
we're
talking
about
about
years,
what
what
is
really
good
as
consequences
of
what
happening
right
now
in
the
world,
what
like
this
pandemic
actually
brought
to
to
to
society?
It's
not
just
the
bad
things
actually
pandemic
demonstrated
right
now.
A
lot
of
issues
discovered
actually
a
lot
of
issues
that
we
we
had
across.
A
A
Hello,
I
will
ask
you
one
more
question
regarding
now
the
two
questions
they
asked
that
now
we
don't
find
any
success
story
are
the
people
who
are
doing
like
a
mall
model.
Other
industries
are
doing,
they
are
doing
with
IBM.
That's
very
that
for
sure
will
be
very
expensive
and
every
Enterprise
can't
afford
that
type
of
solution
with
IBM
are
so
currently
as
the
industry,
as
people
thinks
the
enterprise
they
can't
afford.
So
they
find
that
blockchain
is
a
expensive
solution
rather
than
giving
the
benefit
in
the
future.
A
B
B
It's
actually
coming
like
I,
remember
that
we
had
blockchain
solution
and
blockchain
projects
that
cost
more
more
than
two
million
dollars
to
implement
for
enterprise,
and
now
there
nowadays
we're
talking
about
blockchain
solutions,
different
cones
like
watching
as
a
service.
This
is
where
enterprises
don't
need
to
provision
their
own
Manor.
They
don't
need
to
maintain
entire
blockchain
ecosystem,
just
to
be
able
to
use
a
block
blockchain
so
watching
as
a
service.
This
concept
is
stepping
in
and
and
getting
more
and
more
popular.
B
So
with
this
approach,
we
definitely
going
to
see
really
soon
that
the
cost
of
blockchain
integration
will
go
significantly
low
low
low
low,
and
we
are
not
talking
given
about
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars.
It's
going
to
be
much
less
okay,
so
it
definitely
will
come
and
I.
Don't
expect
that
this
change
will
happen
like
in
the
real
far
future
I
do
I
do
see
that
it
will
be
probably
going
to
see
a
significant
price
adjustment
of
those
kind
of
projects.
Even
this
year.
C
Can
you
hear
me
yes,
hi?
Thank
you
very
much.
It's
very
interesting
I
have
a
question
which
is
like
regarding
communication.
You
mentioned
earlier
that
there's
a
lack
of
communication,
there's
a
communication
gap
between
the
people
that
are
on
the
blockchain
side
and
enterprises
and
decision-makers,
especially
so
the
language,
the
use
of
words
and
the
way
you
explain
the
advantages,
not
you
in
person,
but
you
know
people
in
blockchain
sector.
C
There
is
definitely
a
communication
gap
and
that
definitely
needs
to
be
worked
and
I
agree
with
you.
But
what
about
the
word?
The
word
blockchain
itself.
Do
you
think
that
I?
Do
you
think
it's
a
threat
to
organisations,
because
even
even
the
word
itself
is
you
know
very
difficult
for
decision-makers,
perhaps
to
understand
what
is
all
about?
B
So
if
we
will
go
to
HP
for
our
website,
if
you'll
go
to
IBM
Cayenne
hyper
ledger,
Linux
Foundation,
Microsoft
Amazon,
like
all
those
vendors,
already
started
to
use,
work,
distributed,
ledger
and
the
avoiding
work
blockchain
as
much
as
the
as
much
as
they
can.
So
we
definitely
will
happen.
My
personal
opinion,
if
you
ask
me
I,
would
do
everything
possible
to
remove
world
blockchain
and
we'll
never
put
word
blockchain
in
the
same
document
that
will
be
will
be
seen
by
some
by
executives
from
enterprises.
B
Unfortunately,
right
now
again,
it's
my
personal
opinion.
Unfortunately,
right
now,
blockchain
has
a
kind
of
negative
connotation,
okay
and
which
in
discusses,
is
it
true
or
not,
probably
forever,
but
this
is
kind
of
reality
and
yes,
I,
agree
with
you.
We
need
to
start
using
something
new
and
kind
of,
let
it
you
know
well
disappear
slowly
from
our
vocabulary.
My
opinion.
A
C
Yeah,
my
question
is
trying
to
go
back
to
the
earlier
question
that
was
regarding
you
know.
It
is
almost
since
2009
is
when
we
have
been
hearing
about
Jay
now
it
is
almost
more
than
a
decade
now
the
technologies
in
the
space
where
people
have
been
working
on
now,
as
you
know,
that
lot
of
people
have
been
working
on
the
job
and
trying
and
see
you
know
that
they
can
accommodate
the
technology.
You
are
the
solution
in
their
businesses.
C
Now
again,
we
are
saying
that
we
have
maybe
another
five
six
years
of
time
for
it
to
go
in
a
big
way,
so
I
mean
having
spent
almost
more
than
a
ticket.
Now.
What
do
we
think
is
one
or
two
items?
You
know
that
are
going
to
really
give
the
impetus
for
it
to
take
a
shape
where
the
adaptability
is.
You
know
typically
the
way
it
happens
in
many
other
technology
products,
services,
side.
B
C
B
You
know
I,
it's
really
hard
to
say
what
I
can
say
like
based
on
my
experience
that
every
new
technology
get
adopted
faster
than
previous
okay
I.
Remember
the
internet
adoption
it
took
like
a
lot
of
time.
Okay,
then
I,
remember
the
big
wave
of
virtualization
virtual
servers
virtual
applications
all
that
stuff,
how
how
much
time
it
took
to
adopt
this
technology,
and
it
was
relatively
quick
cloud
adoption.
It
was
like
again
really
much
faster
than
a
virtualization
adoption.
B
If
we
will
talk
about
serverless
technology,
all
the
doctors
containers
all
that
stuff.
This
adoption
of
this
technology
happened
almost
instantly.
Okay
like
right
now,
we
are
with
almost
everywhere,
like
any
kind
of
solution
that
we
have
where
we
have
this
sort
of
several
s:
ecosystem
with
blockchain.
It
going
to
be
a
challenge
from
that
perspective.
That
I
probably
would
say
the
moment
when
business
will
understand
business.
What
the
benefits
of
watching
from
the
business
side
perspective.
This
is
the
moment
when
it's
going
to
be
kinda
hard
moment
for
a
lot
of
executives.
B
Yes,
we
need
to
move
to
blockchain
and
then
the
adoption
will.
We
will
start
flying.
Okay
again,
I
have
an
example
from
the
from
the
history
back
in
the
days
when
Microsoft
for
the
first
time
announced
about
SharePoint
sharepoint
adoption.
Where
happened
like
it
was
probably
the
one
of
the
biggest
disasters
that
Microsoft
ever
had
with
the
sharepoint
adoption,
and
I'm
talking
about
something
like
2003
2005
2007.
It
was
like
great
was
the
sharepoint
adoption
was
almost
zero.
Okay
enterprises
didn't
wanna.
Do
it?
B
Does
that
try
to
do
it
failed
and
through
this
technology
away
the
moment
when
Microsoft
and
changed
the
message
and
change
the
way
that
they
start
at
the
position
SharePoint
to
enterprises
and
I
need
to
admit
they
did
fantastic
job
on
that
when,
when,
when
this
piece
happened,
then
the
blocked
and
bloated
SharePoint
adoption
started
to
happen
like
mr.
speed
of
laser
nowadays
I
can,
I
can't
imagine,
even
count
one
of
our
cut
one
customer
that
we
have,
that
is
not
using
sharepoint.
Almost
every
enterprise
currently
in
some
way
is
using
sharepoint.
B
It
will
happen
again
with
blockchain
100%,
when
we
will
convey
the
message
in
the
right
way
when
and
it
will
work
as
a
compound
effect.
Okay.
So,
for
example,
if
you
I'm
talking
with
many
different
organizations
that
providing
different
courses
and
I
get
contacted
by
many
organizations
to
be
an
instructor
and
run
some
some
sessions
and
trainings
about
blockchain
I,
see
that
this
is
this
wave
is
good
like
education
about
blockchain
is
going
to
like
we
already
with
crazy
speed.
B
It
actually
is
indicator
that
enterprises
willing
to
invest
in
people
that
they
will
learn
new
technology
so
and
people
all
by
themselves,
spending
time
and
money
just
to
adopt
a
new
knowledge
and
new
and
get
certified
in
a
new
technology.
So,
as
a
compound
effect,
we
will
see
that
enough.
People
will
understand
it,
no
blockchain
we
as
integrators
and
the
solution.
Blockchain
providers
will
change
the
way
we
talk
about
blockchain
to
at
organizations.
When
all
this
get
together,
we
will
see
a
big
burst
that
blockchain
watching
adoption
will
start.
C
A
B
If
we're
talking
about
hard
to
implement
from
perspective
like
if
you
talk
about
like
newly
implementation,
I,
wouldn't
say
it's
hard
to
implement
integration,
probably
with
the
legacy
systems,
it's
definitely
not
the
easiest
piece.
Okay,
I
would
say
well
lack
of
knowledge,
still
it's
a
biggest
biggest
biggest
thing.
Okay,
that
and
I
also
observed
a
lot
that
many
blockchain
experts
they
actually
get
to
blockchain
TrueCrypt,
oh
okay,
and
they
have
close
to
zero
knowledge
about
the
enterprise
ecosystem,
okay
and
they
making
a
big
negative
impact
on
the
blockchain
adoption
by
enterprises.
B
This
is
my
personal
view.
This
is
what
I
see
a
lot
then.
Sometimes,
when
I
talk
to
those
people,
they
have
no
clue
even
how
Enterprise
thinks.
Okay,
what's
what
is
really
important
for
enterprise
when
Enterprise
decides
on
the
new
technology?
Definitely
enterprises
having
nothing
negative
against
the
blockchain
per
se
as
a
technology.
It's
probably
lack
of
education.
This
is
what
stopping
kantor
prices
to
move
fast,
so
this
is
kind
of
old
together.
It's
not
one
simple
answer
on
that.
Do.
A
B
Almost
like
don't
think
so,
I
don't
think
that
enterprise
will
jump
on
adoption
of
blockchain
just
because
hyper
Ledger
released
the
new
version
of
hydrology.
Okay
I.
Don't
believe
that
this
is
releasing
a
new
version
of
the
US
OS,
suddenly
particular
Enterprise
jumped
on
that
and
started
to
adopt
it.
I.
B
It's
actually
like
it's
stuff
question,
because
just
on
this
question,
we
probably
need
to
have
another
presentation,
another
session,
because
just
few
hours
to
talk
about
the
topic
that
you
just
touched,
it's
not
enough.
Okay,
so
we're
definitely
talking
about
continuous
integration
process.
Okay
and
if
you're
talking
about
the
developments
life
cycles,
how
we,
how
we
bring
new
updates
new
features
to
the
never
and
never
stop
business.
This
is
something
that
we
need
to
address.
B
They
do
not
adopt
the
continuous
integration
concept
yet,
okay,
so
many
legacy
enterprises,
many
legacy
application
or
ghen
ization,
still
kind
of
from
that
perspective
living
in
the
past,
okay,
I,
remember,
conversations
were
executives
like
CIO,
said
to
me
that
he
enforced
their
IT
department,
do
not
implement
pitches
under
system.
I
got
almost
a
heart
attack,
okay
and
actually,
when
we
did
the
discovery
where
we
saw
that
they
didn't
page
their
systems
for
about
four
years.
B
Okay,
so
yes,
some
enterprises
still
live
in
this
mode
and
blockchain
will
require
us
to
have
their
different
different
mindset
of
running
business.
But
it's
not
just
a
blockchain.
It's
actually
everything
right
now,
like
we're
talking
about
cones
and
continuous
integration
and
continuous
improvement.
This
is
something
that
actually
changing
the
entire
world,
especially
one
of
the
biggest
drivers
of
the
continuous
improvement.
It's
actually
cloud
ecosystem.
B
Again,
if
we
will
talk,
take
a
look
on
Microsoft,
Office
365,
like
if
enterprise
wants
to
connect
to
benefit
from
the
new
features
of
the
office
365
on
a
regular
basis,
they
will
require
to
run
/
updates
and
be
constantly
up-to-date
with
the
system.
Ok,
so
this
new
concept,
it's
not
new,
but
for
many
enterprises,
it's
new
and
getting
slowly
adopted
by
enterprises
and
actually
blockchain
will
benefit
on
that
like
and
maybe
some
enterprises
will
integrate.