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From YouTube: Hyperledger case studies in the supply chain domain
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Thank you Levine for this inaugural presentation hosted by the Australasia Chapter.
Please see the info on the chapter here: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/CP/Hyperledger+Australasia+Chapter and feel free to reach out to the co-chairs Levine Naidoo and Ali Dorri. Everyone is welcome.
Talk Description:
Organisations across the globe are coming under increased pressure to have traceability across supply chain operations. Socio-economic, environmental and a global health crisis are all contributing to intensifying the demand. Overall there's a high level of uncertainty about trusting businesses' claims, and a lack of knowledge about what carbon neutral means and where products come from. Transparency and traceability in the supply chain will underpin sustainability initiatives.
This session covered:
Trends and forces driving traceability
Challenges to overcome and solution requirements
Finding the value
Case studies
Speaker: Levine Naidoo, IBM
Levine works across the region focusing on helping organisations adjust to the contemporary supply chain priorities of resilience, agility and sustainability. He has a solid grasp of supply chain business challenges and how Artificial Intelligence, Blockchain, Digital Automation and Standards can be leveraged adjust to new business priorities. Levine is a member of several international standards committees and has a wealth of experience on industry engagement, driving mass market adoption of standards and technological change.
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A
Yes,
we're
live.
Yes,
if
it's
playing
on
my
machine.
At
the
same
time,
I
was
on
zoom.
You
just
hear
the
echo
of
a
second
later,
so
I
won't
do
that
all
right,
so
welcome
everybody
to
this
webinar,
which
has
been
hosted
by
the
australian
chapter
or
australia,
asia
chapter
which
is
going
to
which
is
really
just
starting.
So
we're
going
to
put
some
information
in
in
the
link
below
to
to
give
you
more
information
on
that.
So
please
do
get
involved.
I'm
there's
two
people,
two
co-leads.
A
We
have
ali
dory,
who
is
not
here
today,
so
I'm
kind
of
like
his
proxy,
I'm
the
vp
for
hyperledger
linux
foundation
here
in
asia,
pacific
and
I'm
based
in
hong
kong,
and
we
have
the
so
and
we
also
have
levine,
who
is
the
co-lead,
the
other
co-lead
who's
going
to
do
a
talk
today
as
it's
our
linux
foundation,
webinar
meeting
I
have
to
to
have
two
housekeeping
items.
One
is
that
we
do
have
an
anti-trust
policy
which
you
can
look
at
on
our
website.
A
Just
no
collusion
right
and
the
second
thing
is:
we
have
a
code
of
contract
code
of
conduct,
conduct
which
is
pretty
straightforward.
You
know
just
please
respect
each
other
and
it's
quite
quite
common
sense.
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
introduce
you
to
levine
nadu
who
works
at
ibm,
I
think
it's
ibm
sterling.
He
has
a
long
career
and
he's
going
to
talk
a
bit
about
that
in
a
supply
chain,
and
particularly
around
blockchain
and
and
supply
chain,
and
he's
now
going
to
give
us
a
talk.
A
B
B
B
Please
feel
free
to
connect
with
me
and
I'd
be
happy
to
talk
offline
or
share
more
details.
Should
you
wish
so
just
to
set
expectations
today?
I
will
not
be
covering
hyperledger
by
any
stretch
of
the
imagination,
but
really,
I
feel
it's
important
to
share
experience
and
knowledge
around
what
it
truly
enables
that
is
in
today's
business
environment.
B
So
today,
I'll
cover
a
little
background
around
on
ibm.
Next
we'll
go
over
some
stats
that
indicate
priorities
for
supply
chains
and
how
it
has
changed
today.
We'll
look
at
what
are
the
key
conversation
points
in
these
change
priorities
and
we'll
cover
why
a
fresh
approach
is
needed.
So
all
this
is
necessary
for
you
to
draw
a
linkage
as
to
why
hyperledger
and
so
we'll
touch
on
a
solution
that
strongly
aligns
with
this
approach
and,
namely
ibm
fortrust
and
the
value
it
brings
to
participants.
B
And
then,
last
but
not
least,
the
main
reason
why
you're
all
here
is
to
look
at
some
of
the
case
studies
and
we'll
look
at
q
a
so
before
we
actually
dive
into
it.
I'd
just
like
to
make
a
disclaimer
statement
that
all
customers
that
I
mention
in
today's
presentation
and
all
relevant
details
in
this
presentation
today
is
source
from
publicly
available
material.
B
Therefore,
at
the
time
of
watching
some
details
may
have
changed.
So
just
keep
that
in
mind,
although
the
topic
is
ibm,
full
trust
fortress
is
a
marketing
brand
or
ibm
transparent
supply
solution,
which
covers
every
kind
of
supply
chain.
Not
not
just
food
and
transparent
supply,
is
an
application
within
our
supply
chain,
intelligence
suite.
B
B
So
how
do
we
get
to
number
five
over
the
over
10
years
ago?
We
began
a
supply
chain
transformation.
The
story
is
fully
available
online.
If
you
like,
a
link
to
it.
Just
let
me
know-
and
so
we
began
this
transformation
after
facing
significant
disruptions
by
2019,
we
had
received
quite
a
few
awards
for
the
innovative
use
of
artificial
intelligence
and
blockchain
in
our
own
supply
chain
and
became
a
cognitive
supply
chain,
reducing
our
disruption
response
time
by
about
90
percent
in
the
supply
chain
world.
B
So,
let's
take
a
look
at
what
what
are
those
new
priorities
so
as
you're
fully
aware
that
covered
environmental
and
social
disruptions
have
really
highlighted
the
importance
of
supply
chain?
It
has
shown
the
spotlight
or
amplified
issues
in
supply
chain
that
have
always
been
there,
but
it's
just
emphasized
it.
As
I
said
pre-covered
there
was
a
focus
on
taking
costs
out,
but
now
the
agenda
has
completely
changed.
B
So
if
you
look
at
the
two
sets
of
stats
on
the
left
of
my
screen,
the
economist,
intelligent
units
surveyed
400
senior
supply
chain
and
procurement
executives
and
their
research
found
that
disruptions
have
incurred.
Substantial
financial
costs
around
six
to
ten
percent
of
annual
revenues,
as
well
as
reputational
costs
in
terms
of
customer
complaints
and
damage
to
the
brand.
B
And
then,
if
we
look
at
mckinsey's
insight
on
the
right
on
on
buying
into
the
sustainable
value
chain,
they
suggest
that
two-thirds
of
an
average
company's
environment,
social
and
governance
footprint,
aka
esg
lies
with
their
suppliers
and
esg.
Performers
enjoyed
faster
growth
and
higher
valuations
than
other
players
in
sectors
by
a
margin
of
10
to
20
percent
and
strong
esg
credentials
drive
down
costs
by
5
to
10
percent.
As
these
companies
focus
on
operational
efficiency
and
waste
reduction.
B
So
you
know
who's
driving
the
sustainability
agenda,
so
consumers
are
driving
their
gender
brands
are
reevaluating
their
purpose.
Investors
are
now
focusing
on
using
sustainability,
more
specifically
in
terms
of
determining
using
esg
directives
to
determine
whether
an
organization
is
a
good
investment
as
well.
B
Regulatory
pressure
for
traceability,
anti-slave
trade
provenance
issues
like
ensuring
efficient
product
recall,
is
also
on
the
increase.
Australia
is
one
of
those
countries
where
there's
really
a
lot
of
pressure
to
implement
traceability
in
the
supply
chain,
and
so
there's
two
sides
to
the
sustainability
coin:
right,
there's
performance
and
compliance,
then.
B
Business
operations
and
what
are
the
key
conversation
points
around
that
so,
firstly,
we
have
resilience
and
agility
is
improved
by
increasing
digitization
to
reduce
business
friction
which
can
reduce
document
exchange
times.
It
can
reduce
errors.
Disputes
and
reconciliations
can
improve
visibility
of
inventory
across
the
entire
value
chain.
I
tend
to
prefer
using
the
term
supply
chain
value
chain
because
supply
chain,
often
in
the
supply
chain,
world
people
operating
in
the
traps
and
sheds
environment
tend
to
use
that
term
supply
chain
as
meaning
trucks
and
sheds.
B
But
if
you,
if
you
look
at
value
chain,
it's
completely
upstream
and
downstream
from
an
organization
that
means
your
supply
supply
supplies
and
your
customers,
customers,
customers,
kind
of
thing
and,
lastly,
to
help
reduce
fraud
and
finally
improve
brand
trust
in
terms
of
meeting
sustainability
drivers.
If
you
look
at
some
of
the
conversation
points
there
there's
an
underlying
theme
right,
there's
still
significant
wastage
in
supply
chains.
B
There's
new
environmental
pressures,
so
there's
a
need
to
cut
carbon
emissions,
there's
a
need
to
maintain
compliance,
internal
governance
and
compliance
from
an
external
regulation.
Standpoint
there's
an
improv.
You
need
to
improve
and
maintain
product
quality,
which
also
reduces
wastage
and
there's
a
need
to
verify
product
safety.
B
So
generally,
we
need
traceability
and
transparency,
but
across
the
full
value
chain-
and
this
only
can
really
happen
when
this
advanced
collaboration
and
information
exchange
in
an
ecosystem.
Which
brings
me
to
my
last
point:
you
know
to
really
build
resilience
and
sustainability
organizations
can't
do
it
on
their
own.
It
has
to
be
a
team
sport,
and
this
is
an
important
thing
about
what
we're
talking
about
today.
Around
shared
ledger
right.
B
So
graphically.
If
you
look
at
you
know
what
the
you
know,
the
current
approach
is-
and
it's
quite
antiquated-
if
you,
if
you
understand
fundamentally
that
no
business
is
actually
an
island,
and
this
has
always
ever
been
the
case.
This
is
not
new
news
right.
Every
business
is
part
of
an
ecosystem
of
business
or
trading
partners
right.
B
So
the
kinds
of
activities
that
happens
in
this
information
exchange
model
is
trading,
relationships
are
established
and
maintained,
physical
objects
are
created,
transformed
and
transported,
assets
are
deployed
and
maintained,
business
transactions
are
conducted,
imported
documents
are
exchanged
and
money
changes,
hands
right,
so
supply
chain
is
not
just
about
the
movement
of
goods.
Right,
there's
a
lot
that
goes
into
it,
it's
quite
complex
right.
So
what's
the
challenge?
B
The
challenge
is
that
if
you
look
at
this
particular
example
we're
looking
at
participants
in
a
food
supply
chain,
so
you
know
traditional
systems
were
designed
for
a
world
where
trade
was
focused
on
multiple
bi-directional
interactions
between
organizations,
so
information
was
exchanged
between
pairs
of
trading
partners
case
in
point.
The
edi
world
was
about
exchanging
business
transaction
information
between
a
buyer
and
a
supplier
or
a
sender,
and
a
receiver
like
a
purchase
order,
shipping
notice
and
an
invoice.
B
So
in
this
model
there's
a
lack
of
connectedness
and
visibility,
and
it's
the
result
of
fragmented
data
across
the
supply
chain,
where
data
is
siloed
within
each
organization,
there's
no
end-to-end
traceability
and
poor
information
sharing.
This
is
a
multi-party
visibility
issue
which
creates
significant
inefficiency
across
the
ecosystem.
B
It's
one
of
the
biggest
reasons
why
there's
so
much
wastage
in
the
supply
chain
and
and
most
often
you
know,
you
might
find
goods
sitting
in
a
port
for
two
weeks
waiting
for
the
documentation
to
follow
paper-based
documentation
at
that.
So
this
is
far-reaching
impacts
in
some
industries,
such
as
inventory
issues,
over-production
for
for
forecasting,
stock-out
issues
or
circles
stock
in
the
wrong
places,
for
example.
B
So
all
these
issues
collectively
adds
to
business
frictions
and
disputes
dispute
resolution
between
parties
is
a
slow
and
tedious
process.
It
looks
takes
a
lot
of
human
resources,
often
impacting
business
performance
resulting
in
wastage,
high
cost
inability
to
reduce
disruption,
response
time
and,
ultimately,
ultimately,
customer
experience.
B
B
This
is
one
where
participants
can
co-create
records
and
transactions
and
share
it
multiple
times,
rather
than
sharing
it.
Bi-Directionally,
of
course,
with
the
right
rules
of
visibility
and
security
in
place.
Friction
is
reduced
due
to
removing
the
need
to
share
information
in
pairwise
exchange
disputes
are
reduced,
as
information
is
co-created
and
everyone
has
access
if
they
are
permissioned
or
entitled
to
having
access
to
end-to-end
visibility
of
supply
chain.
Events
where
the
product
has
come
from,
what's
happened
to
it,
where
is
it
at
the
moment,
etc?
B
So,
ibm,
food
trust
is
a
business
solution
that
adopts
this
contemporary
approach.
How
it
works
is
all
participants
in
the
ecosystem
conduct
their
various
activities
around
physical
events
and
business
transactions,
and
they
record
these
in
a
secure
manner
in
the
hyperledger
based
solution
as
owners
of
the
data
they
have
full
control
over
who
sees
what
information.
B
This
all
happens
by
an
easy
set
of
easy
to
use
options
like
direct
capture,
uploads
iot
devices,
integration
with
systems
via
apis
and
so
on.
Most
importantly,
all
of
these
events
are
captured
using
international
standards
such
as
gs1,
so
that
interoperability
is
built
in
and
every
the
important
thing
is
every
participant
captures
this
information
as
they
derive
value
for
it.
So
there's
motivation
for
people
to
actually
capture
this
information.
B
Full
trust
is
more
than
a
technical
solution.
Sorry,
I've
skipped
a
slide
there
it's
more
than
a
technical
solution.
It
is
a
network.
It's
been
in
network
since
2016.
I
just
removed
customer
logos
from
this
particular
slide,
but
it's
been
growing
exponentially
and,
most
importantly,
it's
a
network.
It's
a
network
where
everybody
derives
value
from
it.
B
B
Please
do
go
and
read
that
article.
It
explains
these
benefits
and
these
value
statements
quite
succinctly.
The
important
thing
here
is
many
and
you'll
see
in
the
case.
Studies
as
I
walk
you
through
the
case
studies
out
of
the
eight
reasons,
there's
all
nearly
always
one
or
two
priority
reasons
why
an
organization
joins
ibm,
transparent
supply
or
food
trust,
and
most
often
yeah.
B
B
So
some
of
the
key
results
is
97
reduction
in
document
flow,
96,
perfect
order,
conformance
and
99
improvement
on
traceability,
speed
and
I'll
talk.
You
through
one
of
the
case
studies
where,
prior
to
the
pilot
we
did
with
them
in
2016,
it
took
them
seven
days
to
trace
a
particular
product
end-to-end,
whereas
when
they
put
once
they
had
all
the
data
in
full
trust
to
2.2
seconds.
B
A
whole
wheat,
grain
pizza
and
you'll
be
able
to
see
the
ingredients
using
that
pizza.
You
can
click
even
click
on
the
ingredients
and
see
where
those
ingredients
came
from
you'll
see
some
details
around
the
facilities
and
you'll
see
some
details
around
the
certifications
that
that
those
either
facilities
or
products
have
have
gained
over
all
the
time.
I'll
just
pause
for
a
minute
to
give
you
an
opportunity
to
scan
that
qr
code.
You
might
want
to
save
that
later,
because
I've
got
another
qr
code
at
the
end
of
this
session.
A
B
B
Generally,
there's
you
know
one
or
two
priority
reasons
why
they
use
a
solution
and
I'll,
try
and
emphasize
that
in
each
of
the
case
studies.
So
the
first
case
study
is
walmart
and
they
started.
The
pilot
was
with
mangoes
and
one
of
their
biggest
challenges
was
leafy
greens,
which
can
be
the
source
of
food-borne
illnesses
like
lustiosis,
and
so
walmart
wanted
to
take
pro
pro
proactive
action
to
ensure
that
they
have
optimal
response
in
the
case
of
an
outbreak,
because
you
see
the
challenge
is
not
just
tracing
down
to
where
the
product
came
from.
B
You
have
to
do
that
as
well
as
tracing
well.
Where
else
did
the
product
go
to
so
that
you
can
conduct
an
efficient
recall,
so
we
did
the
pilot
with
them
in
2016
and
they've,
been,
as
I
said,
they've
been
able
to
cut
their
trace
time
from
weeks
to
seconds
and
within
a
short
time
within
a
year
they
launched
an
initiative
to
have
all
their
supplies
of
fresh
leavey
greens
onto
this
solution.
B
The
next
case
study
is
a
local
australian
one.
It's
worth
antonello
produce
they're
a
fresh
produced,
distributor.
They
connect
to
a
number
of
farms,
and
so
their
challenge
is
often
an
incorrect
product.
Variety,
labeling
and
all
relevant
product
data
are
mostly
paper-based
and
very
difficult
for
them
to
attain
this
by
the
growth
suppliers
and
agents,
and
it's
not
often
timely.
B
So
the
challenge
was
to
align
their
supply
chain
for
immediate
response
to
for
this
information.
So
we
they
conducted
a
pilot
for
watermelons
and
now
they're
launching
an
initiative
to
onboard
their
other
products.
They
were
able
to
cut
their
trace
time
down
from
weeks
to
seconds
as
well,
and
they
anticipate
that
this
will
deliver
incremental
growth
with
their
retail
customers,
so
their
participants
are
mainly
growers,
other
distributors
and
retailers.
B
B
B
B
But
why
this
model
is
slightly
different
is
that
the
client
was
able
to
create
an
application
that
front
ended,
fortress
and
enabled
the
solution
to
be
monetized,
because
when
a
consumer
purchases,
a
cup
of
coffee-
and
they
like
that
cup
of
coffee,
they
can
find
out
who
the
farmer
is,
and
they
can
actually
tip
the
farmer
right.
So
this
is
an
amazing
model
right,
because
now
it
connects
it
actually
connects
the
consumer
with
the
actual
farmer
right,
which
is
very
unusual
in
the
supply
chain
world.
B
B
B
Communication
across
the
supply
chain
is
very
inconsistent
at
best
and
consumer
feedback
very
seldom
makes
it
way
makes
its
way
to
the
winemaker,
and
you
know
it's
very
easy
for
wine
to
get
cooked
now.
This
doesn't
apply
to
your
five
dollar
wines
that
you
find
in
the
supermarket
right.
This
applies
to
when
a
wine
a
significant
amount
of
wine
money
on
wine.
They
want
greater
peace
of
mind
that
you
know
they
can
understand.
B
What's
happened
to
this
wind
as
it
was
being
transported
across
the
supply
chain.
You
know
where,
where
were
the
grapes
grown?
What
was
the
soil
conditions
and
and
what
was
the
environment
at
the
time
it
was
growing
and
so
on
right.
So
this
increased
value
of
the
data
and
insights
for
all
members,
and
so
the
participants
in
this
network
includes
vineyards.
Distributors,
retailers,
tech
providers,
consumers
and
you
know
it's
about
creating
a
secure
supply
chain
that
monitors
environmental
conditions
for
high
quality,
not
withstanding.
B
So
those
were
the
case
studies.
I
put
up
a
qr
code
for
you
here.
This
qr
code
takes
you
to
the
ibm
website
for
transparent
supply.
Here
you
will
find
a
significant
amount
of
videos
notwithstanding.
You
can
just
search
for
full
trust
and
transparent
supply.
Videos
on
youtube
and
you'll
find
a
whole
lot,
you'll,
be
able
to
see,
use
cases
and
you'll
be
able
to
see
value
by
industry
and
there's
other
resources
as
well.
B
Notwithstanding,
you
know,
if
you
link
back
to
me
on
on
linkedin-
and
you
can
ask
me
questions
directly-
you
know
here's
my
qr
code
again
and
also
you
know
we
can
connect,
and
you
can
email
me
as
well
over
to
you
julian
I'm
happy
to
take
questions
I'll
just
turn
off
my
video
again
and
I'll.
Stop
sharing.
A
C
Sure
I
happen
to
ask
it
so
I
I'm
very
interested
in
the
idea
of
traceability
across
the
supply
chain
and
in
particular,
I'm
curious
to
understand
more
with
hyper
ledger
applications
if
that's
been
applied
to
to
government
specifically
and
I'm
thinking
about
customs
and
sometimes
the
data
with
customs
not
being
transmitted
very
efficiently
to
different
shipping
lines
or
to
terminals.
And
so
I
was
curious
you
can
see
in
any
case
studies
relating
to
government
adaptation.
B
B
B
So
what
actually
happens
is
multiple
parties
are
involved
in
the
transaction
to
ensure
payment
has
been
confirmed
and
the
transfer
of
that
electronic
bill
operating
a
ticket
so
that
when
the
carrier
actually
spots
that
ticket
they
can
actually
release
the
the
goods
to
the
buyer.
They
know
that
both
banks
have
received
the
the
the
evidence
of
their
transaction,
and
money
has
changed
hands
conclusively
so
trade
lens
is
is
used
in
that
you
know
for
that.
B
B
Compliance
burden
on
businesses
to
lodge
information
to
a
customs
authority
is
overly
high
right,
so
the
value
of
this
is
the
regulator
if
they're
permissioned
for
accessing
the
data
they
go
and
pick
the
data
up
right
and
this
this
conforms
to
a
basic
philosophy
or
principle
that
compliance
should
be
embedded
in
everyday
economic
activity
right.
So
the
primary
thing
here
is
business
trade
should
be
facilitated,
and
so
what
happens
is
with
trade
lands.
A
B
A
C
A
C
B
B
So
it's
a
case
of
you
know.
What's
the
overall
architecture
and
how
do
we
actually
look
at
the
complete
end-to-end
threat
model
in
the
supply
chain
and
how
do
we
actually
plug
those
threats
right?
The
whole
idea
here
is
not
to
build
a
utopian
solution.
The
idea
is
to
look
at
what
is
the
threat
model
and
how
do
we
actually
minimize
the
the
threat
in
the
system?
B
Your
second
question:
on
joining
alone,
you
know
you,
if,
if
you
put
your
data
up
onto
a
transparent
supply
of
food
trust,
you
must
have
consumers
of
the
data
right.
You
must
have
a
trading
partner
upstream
or
a
trading
partner
downstream.
Who
will
gain
value
out
of
it
right
you
don't
as
a
single
organization.
B
If
there's
nobody
going
to
be
consuming
your
data,
then
there's
no
point
you
using
a
solution
like
this
right,
so
it
is
of
value
for
the
entire
network
and
generally
it's
important
for
an
organization
when
they're
joining
to
actually
speak
with
their
trading
partners
and
say:
look
my
data's
up
there.
It's
of
value
for
us
to
all
join
such
a
such
a
solution,
because
we
all
get
value
out
of
it
right.
If
that
makes
sense,.
C
B
B
There's
also
the
opportunity
of
batch
uploading,
templated
documents
or
spreadsheets,
then
there's
also
an
opportunity
after
you've
done
pilots
and
proven
your
process
and
worked
out
your
your
processes
and
the
right
to
read
points
where
you're
capturing
the
data.
There's
always
the
ability
to
integrate.
B
B
C
B
Necessary
to
understand
yeah,
not
necessarily
they're,
all
built
on
reddit
openshift
containers,
and
so
we
will
announce
whether
that
would
be
made
available
on
other
cloud
environments
as
well.
So,
as
you
know,
ibm
has
a
strategy
for
hybrid
cloud,
and
a
lot
of
our
software
are
built
on
red
hat
openshift
containers,
which
means
it
can
run
on
any
reddit.
Openshift
containers
can
run
on
any
hyperscaler
environment
or
even
on
premise.
B
A
C
Yeah
a
wonderful
session
as
such
you
know
to
know
about
ibm,
footrest,
julian
and
yeah.
So
my
query
is
this:
one
actually
see
we
have
different
amount
of
parties
and
you
know
vendors
being
surrounded,
and
you
know
how
you
know
we
are
executing
it
with.
You
know.
Suppose
you
know
if
there
is
a
failure
in
any
of
the
you
know,
the
middlemen
party.
What
type
of
you
know
like
you
know
is
the
you
know.
Is
it
all
been?
C
You
know
configured
only
on
the
smart
contracts
or
the
thing
is
like
you
know:
if
there
is,
you
know
any
failure
in
the
middle,
like
you
know
where
you
know,
buyer
needs
may
not
want
to
aware
or
the
sellers
need
not
want
to.
You
know,
it'd
be
the
failure
could
be
in
any
of
the
you
know,
middleware
layer
and
how
it
has
been.
You
know
totally
been
when
you
say,
like
you
know,
everything
getting
transparently
it
has
been
getting
recorded.
C
Can
the
buyer
or
seller
can
able
to
view
that
you
know
this
is
the
failure.
You
know
it
has
been
occurred
and
in
case
of
you
know
like
who
carries,
they
know
the
entire
ownership,
or
sometimes
what
happens
is
like
you
know
there
could
be
a
delay
in
shipping
or
there
could
be
a
delay
in
you
know
there
could
be
a
delay
in
you
know
getting
the
products
done
or
you
know
there
could
be.
You
know
some
certificate.
B
That,
to
be
honest,
is
a
subject
for
a
whole
lengthier
discussion
right.
I
don't
think
we
have.
I
don't
think
we
have
time
to
actually
go
through
that
here,
but
I
can
say
that
none
of
these
issues
have
actually
occurred
today.
So
you
know
I'll
just
summarize
quickly.
It's
all
about
how
we
ensure
that
the
onboarding
process
looks
at
the
end-to-end
journey
that
each
product
takes
right.
B
C
Yeah,
no,
nothing
julian,
because
you
know
I'm
just
trying
to
see
that
you
know
where
you
know.
If
there
is
any
type
of
you
know,
live
transactions
or
you
know
any
type
of
you
know
audit
logs,
where
you
know
it
gets
stored
or
you
know
to
capture
it.
So
that's
what
you
know
I
was
just
trying
to
check
it
out.
No.
B
A
But
in
the
open
source
community
we
have
lots
of
these
kind
of
discussions
right,
so
we
have
a
as
we
have
a
supply
chain.
Yeah
trade
finance
community,
which
we
discussed.
I
think
from
you
know,
from
the
most
open
source,
public
blockchain
to
the
most
private.
You
know
we,
we
have
a
whole
spectrum
yeah,
so.
B
Please
go
so
just
so,
just
so
just
fyi,
you
know
even
my
earlier
answers
that
I
provided
those
are
all
available
on
extensive
help
on
the
ibm
website
on
the
actual
product.
There's
extensive
product
documentation,
and
you
can
in
that
in
that
last
qr
code,
that
I
showed
you
can
go
via
that
web
page
via
that
url
to
the
actual
product.
Documentation
and
you'll
see
a
description
around
some
of
those
technical
details.
If
that
makes
sense,.
C
A
Reach
out
to
me,
wiki.hyperledger.org
down,
there
has
all
the
different
we
have
so
within
hyperledger.
We
have
working
groups
and
ibm's
one
of
our
members.
We
have
many
members
where
we're
an
open
source
computer,
we're
a
neutral
party
right
and
we
build
code
right
within
that
we
have
about
15
different
code
bases
right.
You
know,
I
see
people
saying
you
know
we
have
public
bezu
ethereum
stack
as
well,
so
we
have
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
great
tech
right
in
terms
of
actual
interest
groups.
A
We
do
pull
the
community
together
and
we
do
have
a
special
interest
groups
and
you
look
at
it
there
or
just
reach
out
to
me
and
I'll,
give
you
the
url
they're
on
their
summer
holiday,
the
guys
in
in
in
on
the
supply
chain,
but
they
should
come
back
in
september.
You
can
go
to
our
youtube
and
you
can
see
the
whole
history.
A
You
can
go
onto
our
wiki
at
join
it,
it's
all
open
to
everybody
and
we
have
multiple
different
industries
verticals
and
that
you're
very
welcome
like
that,
because
there
are
many
ways
of
doing
this
right.
You
know
horses,
you
know
some
of
the
stuff
that
ibm
work
are
pacific
with
a
large
organization.
Some
people
want
more
public
network
and
it's
it's
a.
I
noticed
this
just
covering
some
of
those
kind
of
questions.
We
have
there
right.
So
I'm
going
to
go
now
to
some
of
the,
and
please
do
this.
C
Yeah,
thank
you
so
much
thanks,
sir
julian,
so
in
the
currently,
whatever
that
we
have
centralized
supply
solutions,
so
how
much
portion
that
can
be
ported
to
the
decentralized
supply
chain,
because
that's
where
the
currently
the
solutions
which
are
already
working
and
doing
good,
but
moving
into
that
decentralization,
we
do.
We
need
to
complete
the
whole
solution
or
some
part
of
the
solution
has
to
be
moved
to
the
decentralized
solution.
That's
where
the
cost
and
everything
will
comes
to
the
picture.
That's
what
I
just
wanted
to
know
from
your
experience
of
the
supply
chain.
B
It
can
complement,
centralized
solutions,
and
so
you
know
I
would
say
that
over
time,
you'll
find
more
and
more
solutions
that
need
multi-party
collaboration
will
have
some
distributed
ledger
component
right
and
I
and
I
prefer
to
use
the
word
just
to
be
the
ledger,
because
you
know
blockchain
is
not
the
only
technology
called
for
a
shared
ledger
right.
If
that
makes
sense,.
A
B
So
there's
there's
look,
there's
various
ways
to
address
counterfeiting
right.
So
fundamentally,
you
know
the
difference
between
the
crypto
world
and
the
permissioned
blockchain
world
is
in
the
crypto
world.
You
know
historically,
and
it's
you
know
becoming
less
the
case
now,
but
historically
the
crypto
world
has
thrived
in
anonymity
right.
You
can't
it's
hard
to
find
out
who
was
behind
the
particular
transaction
right,
whereas
in
the
blockchain
for
business
world,
it's
more
about
enabling
collaboration
between
trusted
partners
or
trusted
partners
of
trusted
partners
right.
B
So
it's
a
chain
of
trusted.
It's
a
chain
of
a
trusted
network
right.
So
it's
a
different
business
model
right.
So
that's
the
first
level.
The
second
level
is,
you
can
close
the
loop
around
physical
product,
authenticity
and
fraud
by
ensuring
you've
got
the
right
product
that
it
identifies
the
right,
labeling
labeling
that
would
get
destroyed
if
you
try
to
remove
it
and
and-
and
you
know,
fix
it
on
some
other
counterfeiting
product
and
then.
B
Lastly,
you
can
close
the
feedback
loop
by
making
sure
you
synchronize
your
traceability
platform
with
your
order
management
platform
with
the
end
consumer
in
the
in
consumers,
the
last
safety
safety
net
right,
because
when
they
purchase
the
product,
they
can
actually
verify
that
they've
actually
purchased
the
authentic
product.
If
that
makes
sense
right,
unless
consumers
are
looking
to
buy
a
fake
product
right.
So.
A
I
think
we're
there's
a
bunch
of
questions
about
whether
we
should
be
using
public
blockchains.
So
there's
one
here
saying
why
not
we
use
can't.
We
wait
on
public
blockchain
using
zero
knowledge
proofs
for
data
privacy.
We
do
have
actually
a
whole
bunch
of
stuff
and
zero
proofs
within
another
hyperledger
project,
right
very
happy
to
to
that
as
alicia,
and
I
think
really
the
broader
question
to
that
is
you
know,
permission
versus
permissionless
and
kind
of
different.
So
why
permission
rather
than
public
or
kind
of
a
mix?
B
I
think
they
all
have
the
place
julian.
You
know
I
don't
really
want
to
get
into
a
religious
discussion,
but
they
all
have
the
place.
They
all
have
a
fitful
purpose.
I
I
think
the
decision
is
based
on
taking
a
proper
architecture
decision
right.
What
is
the
problem?
What
are
you
trying
to
solve?
Why
is
it
a
problem?
What
are
the
options
for
solving
the
problem?
What's
a
rationale
for
using
this
particular
approach
right,
so
I
think
that
that's
the
approach
we
need
to
take.
B
A
B
A
B
B
There
is
a
slight
difference
between
running
hyperlogic
fabric,
on
ibm
cloud
and
not
is
because
we
also
do
hardware
acceleration
of
the
cryptographic
algorithms.
So
you
get
better
performance
that
way
but
go
and
have
a
look,
have
a
look
for
yourself
and
see
what
the
cost
is
right.
I
think
people
tend
to
confuse
and
I've
had
they
had
that
recent
discussion
with
somebody
this
week
they
talked
about
you
know,
blockchain,
being
resource,
intensive
and
and
and
and
costly
and
so
on.
Right.
It's
not
true.
If
you
took
looking
at
public
blockchains.
B
Yes,
the
consensus
algorithm
is
proof
of
work.
Yes,
that
is
resource
intensive
right,
but
with
the
permission
blockchain,
it's
not
right,
so
I
think
it's.
We
should
just
be
cautious
around
making
broad
brushed
statements
like
that
and
just
be
better
informed.
So
I
encourage
anybody,
just
go
to
the
ibm
website,
ibm
cloud
website
and
play
around
with
it
right.
I
think
you
can
get
a
free
cloud
account
for
a
certain
number
of
hours
or
something
like
that
and
play
with
it
right
so
go
for
it.
A
B
A
No,
I
think
you're
right,
very
exciting
stuff
happening
soon
in
in
the
ethereum
community
right
so
yeah,
and
this
is
tech,
so
we're
continually
evolving
we're
doing
an
open
source.
So
it's
not
just
one
eye
cheap.
It's
the
whole
world
working
on
this.
It's
there
ibm
still
very
much
in
the
population
development
of
hyperledger
fabric,
but
there's
many
many
many
other
companies
involved
in
it
right,
so
lots
of
interesting
innovations.
I
think
we're
only
at
the
beginning
of
this.
This
blockchain
journey.
A
So
I'd
like
to
thank
levine
for
for
sharing
today,
some
of
the
real
world
activities
that
that
he
is
doing
with
with
his
good
with
ibm
and
there's
so
many
other
things
so
and
thank
you
everybody
for
turning
up
today
and
listening
and
please,
as
I
said
in
the
wiki,
you
can
approach
me
we're
doing
an
australian
chapter
which
you
know
we're
doing
it
during
this
time
zone
right.
So
it's
an
asian
facility
friendly
time
zone
as
well.
A
So
levine
is
the
co-as
co-lead
for
that
and
so
ali
so
reach
out
to
them,
reach
out
to
me
as
well.
If
you
want,
I'm
happy
happy
to
connect,
and
this
is
a
community.
So
it's
not
just
about
us
doing.
We
want
the
community
for
you,
it's
about
we
right,
so
anybody
can
get
involved.
Do
presentations
get.
You
know,
learn
more
and
more
about
the
things
that
we're
doing
within
this
this
community
and
beyond
so
living.
You
want
to
say
any
final
words
as
well,
and
then
I
think.