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From YouTube: Enigio: trace:original, a use case for DLT
Description
A meeting of the Hyperledger Trade Finance Special Interest Group on March 2 featuring a discussion about e:trace: a solution by Enigio Time (Sweden). The talk focuses on how to create freely transferable digital original documents using blockchain technology without putting them on a blockchain.
More about the Trade Finance SIG is at: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/TFSIG/
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A
Okay,
nice
one
I'll
start
reading
the
antitrust
policy
of
the
linux
foundation,
linux
foundation
meetings
involve
participation
by
industry
competitors
and
it's
the
intention
of
the
linux
foundation
to
conduct
all
of
its
activities
in
accordance
with
applicable
and
trust
and
competition
laws.
It
is
therefore
extremely
important
that
attendees
did
missing
genders
and
be
aware
of
and
not
participate
in
any
activities.
A
A
B
No,
so
let's
get
yeah
hi
everyone
so
really
really
happy
to
be
here.
Thank
you,
andrea.
We
are.
We
are
chuffed
that
that
we
were
invited
to
this
session,
so
really
happy
about
that.
Before
I
dig
into
the
to
the
meat
and
potato
here,
maybe
we
should
do
a
quick
update
on
who
we
are,
and
maybe
you
would
like
to
start
launch
is
that
okay.
B
C
So
I
did
electronic
banking
in
the
80s
and,
to
be
quite
honest,
functionally
not
a
lot
of
things
have
happened.
We
could
actually
do
things
that
we
are
doing
today
on
the
internet
with
large
corporates.
The
services
were
there
in
the
80s,
the
only
area
today
and
then
that
was
not
digitized
was
negotiable
instruments
and
documents
of
title,
and
this
is
a
pain
point
that
I
experienced
when
I
was
deputy
head
of
risk
on
group
level
in
sap.
C
So
I
ended
up
doing
cash
management
and
and
ended
my
career
in
banking,
being
one
of
those
corporate
guys
who
provided
the
biggest
lie
in
history.
I'm
here
for
hello,
I'm
from
headquarters,
I'm
here
to
help
you
not
always
true
according
to
the
business
so
and
and
going-
and
I
we're
all
colleagues
so
I
am
I.
What
I
my
contribution
is.
This
is
was
really
to
specify
the
requirements
for
a
negotiable
instrument
or
a
documented
title
in
a
digital
environment.
B
Thank
you
lars
and
yes,
so
solash
and
I
we
we
we've
been
working
together
previously
and
and
it's
really
good
to
be
to
be
working
for
a
nego.
Now
I
I
I
would
like
to
run
through
through
a
few
slides.
So
we
all
understand,
what's
going
on
here
and
and
once
I've
done,
that
I
think
we
should
have
an
open
discussion
and
questions
and
answers,
because
I
think
that
might
be
the
case
so
just
building
a
little
bit
on
what
what
loss
said.
B
B
This
company
come
alive,
and-
and
this
is
this
is
the
reason
why
we
have
this
very,
very
particular
solution
that
I
will
get
back
to
in
in
a
minute
showing
slides.
You
should
all
also
sort
of
emphasize
so
the
the
the
current
problem-
and
obviously
we
all
know
this,
because
we
are
all
into
trade
finance-
that
there
are
so
many
things
that
needs
to
be
fixed.
B
B
B
There
are
really
good
pdf
solutions
or
pdf
solutions
out
there.
You
can
make
them
really
safe
and
secure,
but
but
there
are
a
few
things
that
you
actually
cannot
do
with
the
pdf,
and
these
are
the
things
that
we
have
worked
on,
and
these
are
the
things
that
we
have
actually
solved
so
so
there
are,
in
my
mind,
seven
key
functions
of
our
solution.
B
When,
when,
when
you
deal
with
bills
of
exchange,
promissory
notes,
warehouse
receipts
or
or
even
bills
of
lading,
then
you
need
to
know
if
you
are
in
possession
of
the
original
or
if
you
only
have
a
copy
and
that
copy
might
be
very
secure
and
very
safe.
But
if
you
can
have
a
zillion
of
them,
they
are
not
very
valuable
for
for
creating
bills
of
exchange,
for
instance.
So
so
this
is
the
first
thing
that
we
set
out
to
solve.
B
Furthermore,
transferability
is
also
really
key,
so
having
sort
of
created
a
digital
original,
it's
not
much
worth
if
you
cannot
sort
of
transfer
that
original
from
one
person
or
one
entity
to
another
one.
So
you
need
to
be
able
to
transfer
the
the
one
original
to
a
new
party
and
once
you've
done,
that
this
new
party
needs
to
be
able
to
continue
to
manage
and
work
with
the
document
and
write
whatever
they
want
on
it
or
add
a
signature
or
add
an
appendix
or
anything.
B
B
B
So
these
are
four
key
features
of
our
solution
and,
if
you
think
about
it
once
again,
these
are
actually
to
a
very
large
extent
what
sort
of
the
paper
sheet
represents
in
the
in
the
physical
world.
So
this
is
what
we
replicated
digitally,
but
but
you
get
a
few
other
good
things
with
this.
First
of
all,
you
will
get
sort
of
a
a
digital
document
that
is
immutable
because
now
we'll
get
back
to
the
to
the
dlt
technology
that
we
use
it
makes
them
immutable.
B
You
will
also
have
the
full
traceability
and
the
full
audit
trail
of
what
has
happened
to
this
document
in
the
document,
so
it
will
not
sit
anywhere
else.
It
will
be
in
the
document,
so
anyone
who
comes
in
possession
of
the
latest
original
will
be
able
to
see
what
has
happened
to
it
previously
and,
as
I
mentioned
since
we,
we
are
just
focusing
on
recreating
the
sheet
of
paper.
So
whatever
data
you
put
into
our
documents,
it
stays
in
the
document.
B
So
it's
not
leaked
anywhere
else.
Sort
of
the
business
data
and
if
you
use
personal
data,
will
be
in
the
document,
so
you
will
not
have
any
data
privacy
issues
because
it
will.
You
will
not
share
the
data
anywhere
else
and
also,
if
you
look
at
this
from
from
a
gdpr
perspective,
if
you,
if
you
happen
to
deal
with
personal
data
and
someone
wants
to
be
forgotten,
you
can
actually
delete
the
document
exactly
the
same
way
as
you
do
with
the
physical
one
just
to
summarize
a
little
bit.
B
B
B
So
in
the
physical
world,
you
have
a
piece
of
paper
and
then
you
write
something
on
the
piece
of
paper.
Then
you
know
what's
written
on
the
piece
of
paper
and
you
know
what's
not
written
on
it
and
in
order
for
for
a
physical
document
to
have
some
kind
of
value,
it
needs
to
contain
a
promise,
and
someone
has
to
sign
this
promise
with
wet
ink.
B
What
we
often
tend
to
forget
is
that
once
you
press
print-
and
you
create
a
paper
original-
you
created
a
little
cost
monster
and
you
have
to
babysit
this
cost
monster
throughout
its
lifetime.
So
it's
very
costly
and
cumbersome
and
time
consuming
to
deal
with
paper
documents,
because
you
have
to
store
them.
You
have
to
manage
them.
You
have
to
retrieve
them.
You
have
to
do
a
lot
of
things
with
them,
especially
if
there
are
documents
of
value.
B
B
You
will
not
know
if
the
data
is
is
matched
between
them
two
and
you
have
dual
processes,
and
you
actually
have
have
dual
costs
as
well
for
for
managed
in
this
whole
thing.
So
we
think
this
is.
This
is
really
really
bonkers
and
I
think
you
agree
with
it.
So
what
we
do
is
that,
instead
of
paper,
if
you,
if
you
come
to
us
and
and
you
want
to
issue
or
create
a
digital
original
document,
we
we
work
with
a
with
a
normal
data
file
and
we
just
add
content
to
the
file.
B
B
So
this
is
this
is
what
we're
using
the
blockchain
for
only
as
a
notary
service
for
all
of
these
documents,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
physical
world,
if
if
a
paper
document
is
going
to
have
some
kind
of
value,
someone
has
to
sign
it
with
wetting.
So
what
we
do
is
that
we
actually
add
an
electronic
signature
to
our
document,
so
it
can
be
any
type
of
electronic
signature.
We
can
accept
anything,
we
just
add
it
to
the
document
and
then
we
hash
it
again
and
there.
B
The
way
we
make
sure
that
you
can
actually
prove
possession
and
you
can
actually
prove
that
you're
in
in
control
of
of
the
one
original.
We
also
work
with
cryptographic
key
pairs.
So
once
a
document
is
created,
a
public
key
and
a
private
key
is
issued
and
the
public
key
goes
into
the
document
and
is
also
published
on
the
blockchain.
B
B
All
of
this
also
means
that
we
are
not
sort
of
dealing
with
tokens
or
anything
like
that,
so
we're
dealing
with
we're
actually
creating
documents
that
are
sort
of
the
actual
asset,
and
it
also
means
that
you
can
sort
of
use
our
documents
and
you
can
share
them
and
send
them
and
do
whatever
you
want
with
them.
So
you
can
do
everything
that
you
do
today,
but
you
can
do
it
digitally
and
the
only
thing
we
use
the
blockchain
for,
as
I
mentioned
is,
is
we
use
it
as
as
a
notary
service?
B
Our
solution
is
also
free
in
the
sense
that
the
only
one
that
sort
of
needs
to
have
anything
to
do
with
us
is
actually
the
one
who
wants
to
create
an
original,
and
it's
the
same
thing
as
if
you
want
to
create
a
paper
document.
You
need
to
buy
a
piece
of
paper.
You
really
need
a
piece
of
paper,
otherwise
it's
hard,
so
the
one
who
wants
to
create
a
digital
original
document
with
our
technology.
B
They
have
to
come
to
us
to
buy
the
digital
paper,
but
once
they've
done
that
they
can,
they
can
write
anything
on
it
and
they
can
send
it
to
anyone
and,
and
any
new
holder
or
receiver
can
can
receive
the
document
and
can
send
it
on
to
yet
another
new
owner
without
having
to
pay
anything
or
do
anything
apart
from
they
need
to
have
a
computer
and
they
need
access
to
the
internet
and
every
time
they
need.
They
want
to
do
operations
to
the
document.
B
B
So
when
we
compare
ourselves
with
other
solutions,
as
I
mentioned,
and
we
compare
ourselves
from
from
a
control
of
ownership,
point
of
view
and
secure
it
in
integrity,
point
of
view,
we
we
we
outperform
everyone
else,
because
we
are
we.
Our
documents
are
really
safe,
they're
really
secure
and
you
can
100
prove
ownership.
B
That's
not
necessarily
the
case
for
paper
original
documents
and,
as
I
mentioned,
you
can
make
really
really
good
pdfs,
really
safe
and
secure.
But
it's
very
hard
to
distinguish
an
original
from
a
copy
and
scanned
paper
regions.
We
shouldn't
talk
about
them
because
we
shouldn't
be
using
them
at
all.
B
B
There
are
very,
very
many
players
and,
and
parties
involved
in
the
trade
transactions
you
have
the
importer
and
the
exporter,
the
banks,
the
freight
forwarders,
the
the
shippers,
the
customers
and
everything
everyone
else,
and
all
of
them
are
using
their
own
sort
of
software,
their
erp
system
or
back
office
or
platforms
or
portals
or
anything.
So
every
one
of
them
are
sort
of
handling
and
managing
the
digital
data
within
their
own
software
systems
and
and
when
they
want
to
communicate
with
other
parties
in
the
transaction.
B
So
the
common
denominator
and
the
common
standard
is
actually
the
physical
document.
So
when
they
want
to
to
sort
of
exchange
data
and
do
things
they
use
physical
documents
and
in
some
parts
they
can
actually
exchange
data
between
themselves.
But
if
you,
if
you
look
at
the
the
overall
participant
in
in
trade,
it's
still
sort
of
the
paper
document
that
that
is
used
and
for
good
reasons,
because
it's
a
good
standard,
everyone
knows
what
it
is.
Everyone
can
recognize
it
and
everything
else.
B
Initiatives
ongoing,
especially
in
the
blockchain
space
that
are
trying
to
build
platforms
where
all
the
parties
can
exchange
data
on
the
platforms
to
make
sort
of
this
whole
process,
seamless
and
and
efficient,
and
we're
not
saying
that
that
that's.
That
is
a
bad
idea.
It's
a
really
good
idea,
but
it's
very
very
hard
to
make
it
work
because
you,
you
need
to
onboard
everyone,
and
you
need
to
deal
with
all
the
data
privacy
and
actual
con
access
control
issues,
because
someone
has
to
manage
all
of
this.
B
You
don't
need
to
do
anything
except
for
sort
of
digitizing
or
accepting
a
digital
document
instead
of
today
a
paper
document
and
if
we
move
into
the
bank
space.
Obviously
this
is
this
is
really
really
convenient,
because
now
you
can
perform
sort
of
collections
or
documents
under
electro
credit
and
and
you
can
do
them
fully
digital
the
whole
sets
and
you
can
send
them
and
interchange
them
with
the
current
sort
of
methods
that
you
use
basically
sort
of
you
can
send
them
and
receive
them
through
swift.
So
there
is
no.
B
There
is
no
issue
with
that
sort
of
everything
is
already
in
place.
You
have
the
file
act,
it's
just
to
attach
a
document
and
exchange
the
keys
and
and
and
then
you
can
actually
exchange
the
the
real
documents,
the
original
documents
and
no
need
for
dealing
with
copies
or
sort
of
having
dhl
or
fedex
to
to
to
send
the
the
original
documents.
B
So
the
what
this
sort
of
picture
represents
our
sort
of
the
generic
steps.
So,
first
of
all,
someone
has
to
create
the
document.
It's
not
very
complicated.
Then
someone
has
to
sign
it
and
then
once
that
is
done,
the
sort
of
the
creator
and
the
owner
can
can
choose
to
to
own
the
document
throughout
its
lifetime.
B
Also,
I
should
say
that
we
are
working
very
very
closely
with
international
trade
and
forfeiting
association
and
if
you
are
really
curious
on
how
to
use
our
digital
documents
in
in
a
real
case,
I
suggest
that
you
study
how
you
can
you
can
use,
trace
regional
documents
for
creating
and
managing
digital
negotiable
instruments
and
and
it
that
they've
been
very
sort
of
thorough
in
this
work.
So
so
they
have
also
issued
a
manual
around
how
you
can
do
this.
B
B
Needless
to
say,
turnaround
times
will
be
much
quicker
and
easier
because,
as
I
said,
the
documents
are
created,
digitally
they
are
assigned
digitally
and
they
are
transferred
and
managed
digitally.
They
are,
as,
as
you
probably
all
figured
out.
They
are
100
machine,
readable,
so
it
they
can
be
machine
readable
with
any
type
of
ai.
B
You
have
out
there
much
better
than
just
doing
ocr
and
obviously
you
will
have
very
very
short,
lead
times
and
everything
else
when
we
talk
about
risks,
since
you
have
very
very
little
implementation
risk
because
you're
not
sort
of
onboarding
something
completely
new,
you
are
just
instead
of
pressing
print
on
paper,
you
just
decide
to
print
them.
Digitally
you
have
so
you
have
very,
very
low
implementation.
B
Implementation
risk
also
the
the
documents
in
themselves.
They
are
completely
fraud
safe,
because
if
someone
tries
to
manipulate
them
or
change
them,
it
will
be
detected
by
by
the
hashes
immediately
no
double
data
management,
as
I
said,
which
is
really
really
a
good
way
of
lowering
your
operational
risk.
I
would
assume
that
there
are
a
lot
of
banks
out
there
these
days
that
have
a
huge
problem
with
dual
data:
one
data
set
sitting
on
physical
documents
and
the
other
being
sitting
on
scan,
copies
and
and
ocr.
B
Then
maybe
you
don't
capture
everything,
so
it's
the
very
good
of
reducing
operational
risk.
Also,
if,
if
you're
a
bank,
obviously
everything
every
single
line,
every
single
digit
is,
is
actually
available
for
compliance
cancer.
So
you
won't
have
any
mismatch
in
that
and
the
cost.
Then,
of
course
you
have,
if
you
want
to
use
our
technology
sort
of
the
one
creating
the
original
has
to
pay
us
a
small
fee
to
get
the
the
the
digital
document,
but
otherwise
there
is
you,
you
can
sort
of
get
rid
of
your
courier
cost.
Your
archiving
cost.
B
A
C
Yes,
the
document
has
a
header
page,
which
explains
what
you
are,
because
in
most
countries
where
you
will,
if
you
want
to
transact
electronically,
you
have
to
accept
this,
and
what
you
are
you
are
what
you
do.
Is
you
go
to
traceration.com,
which
is
a
webpage
and
on
on
the
web
page.
You
can
start
by
verifying
that
the
the
copy
that
you
obviously
want
to
review
before
you
buy
it
is
authenticate
or
authentic,
and
you
can
verify
that.
C
C
And
and
the
seller
will
will
insert
the
public
key,
just
like
guna
said
and
will
and
and
he
will
send
you
the
document
and
at
that
point
you
are
in
full
control
of
it
and
and
on
the
manage
function
in
on
the
web
page
you
make,
you
can
make
additions.
You
can
invite
someone
to
sign
the
document.
If
you
want
to
amend
something,
basically,
you
can
add
to
any
type
of
text
to
the
document,
so
it
is
like
paper,
but
it's
digital.
D
C
C
So
the
the
notion
of
having
a
freely
transferable
document
is
really
it's
been
a
driving
force
for
us
and
we
don't
have
a
contract
with
those
out
there.
We
only
have
a
contract
with
those
who
buy
digital
paper
from
us
so
making
for
a
banker.
Liquidity
is
that's
work,
so
to
increase
as
much
liquidity
in
in
the
asset
as
possible.
If
it's
a
prom,
node
or
a
bill
of
exchange
is
really
core.
D
B
B
B
But
apart
from
that
sort
of,
if,
if
I'm,
if
I
a
new
receiver
or
the
document
first
of
all,
I
need
to
make
sure
that
I
have
sort
of
the
private
key
that
corresponds
to
the
document,
but
otherwise
I
will
just
re,
receive
an
email
with
the
pdf
attachment
and
that's
it.
This
is
the
only
thing
I
need
to
do
so.
B
So
if
you
receive
a
trace
original
asset,
a
bill
of
exchange,
you
need
to
know
that
this
is
a
bill
and
a
digital
bill
of
exchange,
and
I
need
to
take
as
much
care
of
it
as
I
do
with
the
physical
one
or
if
it's
a
bill
of
lading
or
something
else.
So
so
from
a
mindset
point
of
view,
you
need
to
be
careful
and
you
need
sort
of
to
manage
it
properly.
The
same
way
as
you
manage
a
paper
document.
D
A
B
B
A
A
That's
nice.
I
mean
it's
good
to
hear
that
I
mean
it's
just
another
step
forward.
I
mean
those.
It's
telling
me
it's
it's
a
good
one!
It's
nice
achievement!
I
look
for
the
white
paper,
of
course,
to
really
carefully
it's
a
good
one,
we're
in
contact.
We
will.
Hopefully
we
will
be
back.
You
know
you
know
gonna
with
some
more
news
from
bath
shortly
after
after
this
missing,
there's
quite
a
lot
to
be
done
on
that
side
of
the
world
as
well.
A
A
D
C
So
within
eu
we
have
a
a
reasonably
the
legislatures
are
pointing
towards
digitization
as
long
as
you
cater
for
the
safety
net
mechanisms
of
a
physical
document.
So
if
you
can
replicate
all
the
safety
mechanisms
that
are
surrounded
on
a
negotiable
or
a
documented
title,
it
should
be
a
legally
valid
document.
D
E
Gunnar
lars
it's
eugenio
here
I
I
just
wanna
share
a
suggestion
and-
and
I
ask
you
at
the
same
time-
a
purification
okay.
First
of
all,
I
I
I
really
love
that
mijo's
solution.
It's
really
like
andrea,
said,
get
getting
back
to
the
basics,
to
understand
that
we
really
need
a
flexible
solution
to
to
to
support
the
digitalization
of
the
industry
overall
from
the
bigger
player
to
the
smaller
ones.
E
E
I
understand
that
the
main
process
is
related
to
the
creation
of
this
original
document
and
in
the
act
of
transferring
this
document,
a
dlt-based
service
is
applying
as
a
notarization
services.
Okay.
For
for
the
task
force,
I
just
want
to
share
my
vision.
I
mean
you
gunnar
said
that
you're
not
dealing
with
tokens
in.
E
In
my
perspective,
I
think
that
when
you
use
a
dlt
based
service
to
notarize
and
you
to
create
a
unique
value
by
ash
encryption-
and
you
want
that
is
going
to
be
defined
as
the
unique
value
you
are
managing
a
digital
asset
that
basically
entitles
you
to
transfer
rights.
So
from
a
regulatory
perspective.
I
think
that
this
can
be
defined
as
a
utility
token,
if
you
in
the
act
of
transferring
okay,
but
I
mean
this
is
just
my
suggestion
that
they
want.
I
want
to
share
it.
C
C
You
can
do
you.
You
can
verify
that
without
the
ledger,
if
you
want
to
that's
not
necessary,
the
only
thing
is
that
you,
you
will
not
be
sure
that
you
actually
have
the
latest
version
of
of
the
document,
because
if
someone
would
have
an
older
cryptographic
key
and
and
an
older
version,
they
would
that
would
actually
apply
for
or
it
would
verify
that
without
the
document
well
without
the
ledger
as
a
a
valid
copy
of
that
version.
C
C
The
latest
version
of
the
original-
that's
the
that's
the
main
function
of
the
of
the
the
blockchain,
but
in
order
to
be
able
to
write
on
the
blockchain
you,
actually
you
need
to
the
credentials
the
correct
document
and
the
correct
key
sure
sure
so,
but
it
would
be
the
at
the
end
of
the
day.
We,
I
think
that
we
sometimes
gonna
end
up
in
semantics,
rather
than
in
in
functionality.
C
E
A
But
you
you,
you
have
to
take
care,
I
mean
it's
a
very
thin
line.
In
my
opinion,
it's
just
a
matter
of
proving
the
originality
of
the
documents.
Maybe
you
mislead
the
points
and
in
the
loop
of
documentary
collection,
what
granada
and
lars
was
saying.
You
know
they
were
referring
to
documents
of
titles
and
negotiable
documents.
A
We
don't
have
that
space
here
in
the
meeting
to
to
go
deeper
into
these,
but
it's
you
know.
There
are
three
final
specialists
in
the
meeting
today
that
could
detail
how
this
works.
You
know
when
you
have
to
deal
with
documentary
collections,
there's
a
good
distinction
between
documents
of
title
and
negotiable
instruments.
A
A
Yeah,
I
agree
with
you
a
lot.
Absolutely
the
problem
is
especially
in
trade.
Is
the
legislation
it's
not
homogeneous?
You
know
you
mentioned
the
singapore
has
its
own
way
to
go.
South
america
is
following
the
theme
of
the
european
legislation
so
to
deal
with
trade,
of
course,
being
on.
The
global
scale
is
somehow
a
little
messy
and
it
could
take
time
as
well.
C
C
E
Yeah
yeah,
but
I
mean
I
that
was
my
first
statement
and
saying
saying:
okay,
I
really
like
the
technology
and
I
understand
the
value
into
the
core.
Okay,
that
is
having
a
software
flexible
in
a
flexible
way
that
can
work
on
a
different
business
solutions
that
are
in
the
market
and
digitized
in
a
flexible
and
harmonizing
way.
B
B
If
you
wish
the
the
digital
paper
from
us,
we
don't
see,
we
don't
care,
we
don't
have
anything
to
do
sort
of
with
the
content,
but
but
if,
if
I
want
to
create
the
digital
original,
I
go
to
tracerid,
I
go
to
enigio
and
I
sign
up
for
for
tracerregional.com
and
then
I
can
take
any
any
data
and
I
can
create
my
document.
I
can
write
it
from
scratch.
I
can
do
drag
and
drop.
B
I
can
start
with
a
pdf
and
I
can
create
the
trace
original
document
once
that
is
done,
the
document
is,
is
can
be
managed
and
stored
and
received
by
anyone
free
of
charge
right.
So
anyone
can
receive
it.
Anyone
in
in
an
email
through
swift
in
in
any
medium
and
you
can
deal
with
it
and
you
can
handle
it
as
I
also
as
I
mentioned,
what
you
need,
you
need
a
computer
and
you
need
access
to
the
internet.
B
So
if
you
want
to
update
your
original
document,
you
need
to
go
to
our
website
to
get
in
contact
with
the
notary
service,
and
you
change
your
document
and
you
get
it
notarized,
and
then
you
can
continue
sort
of
sending
it
to
to
someone
else
or
a
new
entity.
But
that's
there
are
no
strings
attached.
There
is
no
fees.
There
is
nothing,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
a
hundred
percent
clear
one
other
thing,
andrea-
that
I
just
briefly
want
to
mention,
if
you're
really
seeing.
B
If,
if
you
really
want
to
test
this
and
and
sort
of
you're
a
bit
hesitant
around
sort
of
legislation
and
everything
else,
the
documents
are
really
convenient
because
you
can,
you
can
create
your
own
little
club
in
the
document
and
so
through
it
far.
There
is
a
very,
very
nice
solution,
called
the
electronic
payment
undertaking
with
wording
everything.
A
We
we
have
a
presentation
as
insightful
presentation
at
the
end
of
the
year
2020
by
joelle,
and
I
still
think
joyful
for
that.
I
think
that
was
a
very.
It
is
actually
a
very
interesting
instrument
for
enhancing
digitization
trade
finance.
Indeed,
so
anybody
else
would
love
to
make
more
questions.
I
mean.
C
B
B
It's
a
quick
implementation.
Everything
is
ready.
You
just
need
a
node,
you
come
to
us,
we
set
you
up,
it
will
take
for
a
couple
of
days
and
then
you
can.
You
can
use
our
graphical
user
interface,
which
is
really
really
easy
to
use
and
easy
to
understand
so
not
very
complicated
at
all.
But
if,
if
you
already
have
sort
of
a
finasteride
china
system
customer,
you
can
go
to
them
and
they
will
set
you
up
immediately.
D
A
Thank
you
very
nice
presentation,
thank
you,
gunner
and
thanks
for
today's
meeting,
and
I
think
we
we
can
call
the
end
of
the
meeting
and
thanks
everybody
for
being
here.
We'll
see
you
again
in
two
weeks
time
on
a
different
time:
slot,
okay
and
with
more
insights
into
this,
so
have
a
very
nice
day.
You
yo.