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From YouTube: IETF106-PLENARY-20191120-1710
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PLENARY meeting session at IETF106
2019/11/20 1710
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/proceedings/
A
A
We
had
a
really
great
plan
for
this
meeting.
We
knew
that
there
would
be
lots
of
contentious
topics
on
the
agenda
this
week.
People
may
have
heard
we're
trying
to
encrypt
the
DNS
transports.
The
spring
working
group
needed
17
hours
of
meeting
time
to
talk
about
segment,
routing
or
so
many
contentious
topics,
though
that
we
knew
would
be
coming.
A
So
you
planned
the
meeting
in
a
very
hot
place,
knowing
people
would
bring
all
their
summer
clothes
and
then
we
froze
the
meeting
rooms,
but
the
idea
being
that,
if
you're
really
cold,
you
don't
wanna
spend
a
lot
of
time.
Arguing
you
just
want
to
get
to
the
end,
so
you
can
go
back
outside
and
warm
up.
A
Well,
we
were
thwarted
in
this
plan
because
but
delightful
people
at
the
Secretariat
brought
blankets
handed
them
out
to
people
and,
as
a
result,
we've
had
to
actually
debate
and
fight
to
the
bitter
end
to
achieve
the
consensus
that
we
all
are
seeking
here
in
the
ITF.
But
thank
you
Secretariat,
because
you're
always
looking
out
for
us.
A
A
A
B
Good
afternoon,
everybody
welcome
to
the
beautiful
senior
poll
I
wanted
to
say
sunny
Singapore,
but
there's
a
bit
of
rain
this
week
and
it's
very
cold
in
the
conference
room
right.
So
welcome
for
the
beautiful
to
the
beautiful
Singapore
I
hope
you
enjoy
all
the
meeting
so
far
this
week
and
enjoy
the
social
event
in
the
arc.
Science
Museum
yesterday,
yeah
I
think
it's
kind
of
cool
to
have
our
social
event
in
the
museum
setting
listening.
B
So
my
name
is
Kent
well
I
had
the
IP
optic
routing
group
for
Nokia
for
Asia
Pacific,
since
this
is
the
first
time
I
think
the
new
note.
Here's
host
this
event,
I
thought
I,
would
just
make
two
quick
pod.
First
one
some
of
you
may
ask
what
does
Nokia
have
to
do
with
IETF?
Don't
you
guys
just
make
handset
phone?
B
Believe
me,
my
colleagues
and
I
still
got
asked
this
question
from
time
to
time
when
we
toil
friends,
will
work
for
Nokia
eternal
in
the
last
15
16
years
of
industry
consolidation
merger
acquisition
when
Nokia
is
now
a
collection
of
many
different
technology
and
companies.
One
example
solved
the
Kali
here
in
the
room
and
myself
we
joined,
we
are
from
the
Nokia
IP
routing
group,
which
originated
is
technology
from
a
start-up
in
Silicon
Valley
called
high
Metro
a
magical
qualified
Alcatel
in
2003
alcatel-lucent
merge
in
2006
and
Nokia
acquired
alcatel-lucent
in
2015.
B
So
this
is
just
one
example
and
of
course,
through
the
years
I
mean
with
many
colleague
that,
from
coming
from
parallel
coming
from
former
Alcatel
coming
from
former
loosen
and
formal
Nokia
seamen
and
form
a
new
bridge
as
well
so
I
mean
today.
If
I
look
around
I
think
this
year
we
have
close
to
30
delegates
from
Nokia
joined,
IETF
and
I've
been
involved
in
many
many
different
standard
and
areas
we're
committed
to
IETF
and
will
continue
to
support
ITF
activities.
So
there's
the
first
part.
B
B
So
I
remember
18
years
ago,
when
I
started
in
furniture.
My
first
project
is
to
implement
the
graceful
restart
job
for
all
the
routing
protocol
internet
sure.
So
at
the
time
you
were
still
a
job,
so
I
send
a
lot
of
email
to
the
idea.
Yeah
IETF,
not
only
is
to
ask
for
question,
make
some
suggestion
always
get
good
response
and
collaboration
spirit.
Earlier
this
week,
I
did
a
look
up
in
the
IETF
and
I
find.
B
My
name
was
in
the
announcements
session
for
the
OSPF
quest,
always
the
OFC,
so
I
feel
so
proud
to
be
associated
to
IETF
in
a
small
way,
because
you
are
the
organization
who
continue
to
innovate
and
continue
to
printer
events.
The
paths
of
technology
to
make
the
internet
and
make
the
industry
take
so
again
enjoy
this
week.
Sure
you'll
get
a
lot
of
productive
work
and
pressure
on
this
way,
as
always
and
going
to
print
the
path
of
technology
to
the
industry.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
A
So
here
at
ITF
106
we
have
actually
one
more
participant
who
registered
since
we
created
this
slide
earlier
today.
So
we
have
999
people,
on-site
well,
I
hear
we're
gonna
break
a
hundred
thousand.
Sometimes
people
register
late
super
late
in
the
week,
so
we
should
be
hitting
a
thousand
by
the
end
of
the
week
and
we
have
147
first
time
attendees
here
with
us
and
attendees
from
61
different
countries
about
on
par
with
last
time
we
met
in
Asia
for
ITF
103.
A
It's
the
end
of
the
year,
so
I
thought
it
might
be
nice
to
do
a
little
bit
of
a
look
back
over
the
last
couple
of
years.
Here
you
can
see
that
participation
numbers
the
attendance
numbers
for
the
last
two
years
worth
of
meetings.
The
last
two
each
of
the
last
two
years
were
fairly
similar
to
each
other,
and
you
can
see
the
pattern
there
fairly
similar
attendance
numbers
and
we've
met
in
the
same
region
at
the
same
time
of
year
for
the
last
two
years.
So
there
you
can
compare
fairly
easily.
A
If
we
look
at
the
remote
participation
numbers,
we
couldn't
provide
numbers
for
106
because
a
lot
of
people
register
and
participate
later
in
the
week,
and
we
didn't
want
to
give
you
half
of
a
number.
But
you
can
see
there
at
least
over
the
course
of
the
last
year,
an
upward
trend
and
remote
participation,
and
these
are
this-
is
the
number
that
counts
any
remote
participant
who
attends
at
least
one
working
group
remotely.
A
And
just
another
word
on
the
hackathon
and
those
300
people
who
were
in
the
room
were
working
on
41
different
projects.
Together
again
this
year.
This
meeting
we
had
the
hack
demo
happy
hour
on
Monday
night,
where
individuals
and
teams
could
show
off
their
work
for
the
rest
of
the
community,
who
may
not
have
been
at
the
hackathon
themselves,
and
the
next
Agathon
that
we
have
planned
is
same
again
will
be
the
weekend
prior
to
ITF
107
in
Vancouver.
A
So
for
those
who
haven't
had
a
chance
to
participate
in
this,
thus
far,
I
really
encourage
you
to
come
and
check
it
out.
The
hack
upon
itself
is
is
free
to
attend,
and
all
of
that
work
has
really
had
a
major
impact
on
the
standards
development
work
that
we
do
in
the
ITF
by
creating
a
feedback
loop
with
implementations
and
the
developer
community.
So
thanks
to
all
who've
been
participating.
A
So
for
the
last
few
meetings
been
talking
about
conduct
and
behavior
in
the
IETF,
people
may
be
aware
that
we
have
a
code
of
conduct
in
the
ITF
and
the
objective
that
we
strive
for
is
that
everybody
who
comes
to
participate
is
treated
with
dignity,
decency
and
respect.
We
want
this
to
be
a
welcoming
place
for
everyone,
since
the
last
meeting
there's
a
few
different
initiatives
that
I've
been
working
on
and
that
the
isg
has
been
has
been
working
on.
A
One
is
ongoing
discussions
between
the
area,
directors
and
the
working
group
chair
is
about
participant
behavior,
so
collectively
as
the
isg,
we
have
a
set
of
guidelines
and
samples
of
good
and
bad
behavior
that
we've
been
using
to
have
one-on-one
discussions
with
our
working
group
chairs
about
how
they
can
foster
a
more
collaborative
and
friendly
environment.
So
those
conversations
are
ongoing.
A
A
You
can
see
them
up
on
the
screen
there,
matthew,
Miller
and
Dhruv
Dodi
Dhruv
is
new
to
the
team
since
the
last
meeting
and
he's
been
really
integral
of
both
he
and
Matt,
as
we've
developed
an
engagement
model
for
the
sergeant's
at
arm's.
So
if
you
visit
the
link,
there
you'll
see
some
standard
operating
procedures
that
we've
developed
for
the
sergeant's
at
arm's.
A
Some
email
templates
that
we
intend
to
use
to
make
sure
that,
when
the
sergeant's
that
arms
are
engaging
with
people
from
the
IHF
community
that
that
they're
doing
so
in
a
consistent
way
and
communicating
clearly
about
concerns
related
to
behavior
on
ITF
at
IETF
torgue,
we
did
put
that
out
for
community
review
and
feedback
and
I
met
this
week
with
the
sergeant-at-arms
team
to
start
reviewing
some
of
that
feedback.
So
you
should
be
seeing
responses
to
many
of
those
comments
in
the
coming
weeks.
A
On
a
related
note,
just
wanted
to
summarize
for
people
some
of
the
changes
that
have
occurred
recently
with
respect
to
mailing
lists
where
a
general
IETF
discussion
and
process
discussion
happens.
So
we
created
a
new
mailing
list
since
the
last
ITF
meeting
called
last
call
at
ITF
org,
and
this
is
where
all
of
the
ITF
last
call
discussions
are
now
happening
about
about
documents
that
are
in
last
call.
The
moderators
are
Jared
mouch
and
Ron
Gondwana.
A
We
still
have
IETF
at
IETF
org,
which
is
for
working
group
charter
reviews,
general
announcements
and
general
discussion
and
initial
kind
of
process,
discussion
and
brainstorming
about
process
issues,
and
there
we
have
the
sergeant-at-arms
whoo-hoo
moderate,
and
then
we
have
a
new
working
group
called
Gen
dispatch
chartered
in
the
general
area
to
to
provide
a
forum
for
discussion
of
process
proposals
that
are
a
little
bit
more
fleshed
out.
So
things
might
initially
begin
on
ITF
at
IETF,
but
eventually
they
may
move
to
the
gen
dispatch
working
group
where
they
can
be
discussed.
A
A
There's
lots
of
other
topics
that
we
covered
online
I
sent
out
a
report
in
advance
of
this
meeting
to
the
IETF
mailing
list.
So
you
can
check
out
there's
more
information
there,
including
the
fact
that
we
received
no
Appeals
in
the
last
period
since
the
last
meeting
and
reports
from
many
other
groups
and
bodies
that
are
part
of
the
IETF
and
with
that
I
will
ask
Collin
Perkins
to
come
on
up.
D
Okay,
Thank
You
Alyssa,
my
name
is
Colin
Perkins
I'm,
the
chair
of
the
internet
research
task
force.
The
IRT
F
is
the
research
arm
of
the
IETF.
We
do
research,
we
don't
do
standards
development,
the
ITF
is
organized
as
a
number
of
research
groups.
We
have
14
groups.
Currently,
those
highlighted
in
green
on
the
slide
are
still
meets
this
week.
D
So
if
you're
interested
in
computation
in
the
network,
if
you're
interested
in
path
aware
networking
if
you're
interested
in
network
management,
network
coding
or
the
thing
two-finger
research
group,
please
try
and
come
along
to
these
groups
later
in
the
week.
If
you're
interested
in
the
differences
between
the
IRT
F
and
the
IETF
RFC
74
18,
it
was
a
really
nice
primer
on
how
the
IRT
F
works
and
how
it
differs
from
an
IETF
working
group
and
I
would
encourage
you
to.
D
In
addition
to
the
research
groups,
the
IETF
runs
the
applied
networking
research
workshop
in
cooperation
with
ACM
signal.
Those
of
you
who
are
on
the
meeting
in
Montreal
earlier
in
the
year
well
have
seen
the
previous
edition
of
this
workshop
running
and
pleased
to
announce
that
the
2020
applied
networking
research
workshop
will
be
running
at
the
Madrid
meeting,
will
be
chaired
by
Maria
and
Roland.
Many
of
you
I'm
sure
know
Maria
probably
know
Roland
as
well.
If
you're
interested
in
hearing
more
details
about
this
come
talk
to
me,
come
to
me,
Rhea
who's.
D
Also
here
this
week,
will
tell
you
about
about
this
workshop.
Look
out
for
the
call
for
papers
within
the
next
couple
of
weeks
papers
will
beat
you
most
likely
in
April
of
next
year.
In
addition,
we
run
the
applied
networking
research
prize
in
conjunction
with
the
Internet
Society.
The
applied
networking
research
prize
is
awarded
for
recent
results
in
applied
networking
research
that
are
potentially
relevant
for
transitioning
into
the
standards
community
into
shipping
products
that
are
potentially
of
interest
to
this
to
this
community,
both
the
a
RTF
and
the
AE
ETF
communities.
D
E
E
We
have
also
appointed
Peter
Cook
to
the
ICANN
NomCom
and
we're
seeking
nominations
for
the
Internet
Society
Board
of
Trustees.
Since
our
email
to
the
community,
you
will
also
see
a
new
request.
We
are
also
seeking
nominations
for
the
ICANN
governance
working
group.
The
gwg
is
part
of
the
mechanism
by
which
I
can
and
the
root
server
system.
Advisory
Committee
are
putting
together
a
new
governance
structure
for
the
root
server
system.
E
Another
thing
the
iev
does
is
make
occasional
public
statements.
There
was
one
such
public
statement
during
this
period,
calling
out
the
unintended
consequences
of
policy
and
regulatory
proposals.
This
was
originally
inspired
by
the
statement
that
went
directly
to
the
Australian
government,
but
has
been
broadened
and
made
more
general
so
that
we
don't
have
to
make
specific
statements
to
individual
governments
in
the
future.
I'm
happy
to
report
like
the
IAS
G,
there
were
no
Appeals
in
this
period.
E
During
this
period,
a
number
of
documents
moved
to
the
RFC
editor.
The
first
four
of
these
are
cluster
that
came
out
of
the
ITF
is
a
to
process,
because
the
documents
they
were
updating
were
on
the
IAB
stream.
They
moved
from
ISO
to
into
the
IEP
process
for
community
review
and
approval,
and
they
were
all
approved
during
this
past
period.
The
last
one
here
was
draft
IB
50
years,
which
was
Heather's
reflections
on
the
first
50
years
of
the
RFC
series.
E
There
are
a
number
of
other
documents
that
are
either
in
preparation
or
currently
in
community
review,
which
is
the
equivalent
of
last
call
draft
IAB
for
the
users.
The
internet
is
for
end-users
and
the
harmful
consequences
of
the
robustness
principle,
principles
for
operation
of
internet
assigned
numbers,
Authority
registries
and
long
term
viability
of
protocol
extension
mechanisms.
We
look
forward
to
your
comments
on
those
either
directly
to
the
IAB
or
to
the
architectural
disgust
list.
E
E
Lastly,
is
all
of
you
know,
the
ID
has
a
number
of
programs
among
them
are
suck
as
a
management
program.
The
IB
received
an
Esso
W
from
our
sock
for
the
temporary
RFC
editor
project
manager
after
their
community
consultation
during
his
past
period,
and
has
tremendous
transmitted
to
the
ITF
LLC
on
October
2nd.
This
is
now
moved
into
a
different
phase
of
the
the
s
ou
W.
An
RFP
process,
then
is
managed
by
the
IAB,
but
just
for
your
information,
the
proposals
received
are
being
considered
now
with
the
proposed
start
in
January.
F
F
F
We
are
now
in
the
process
of
we
have
this
huge
corpus
of
documents
that
all
need
to
be
converted.
Everything
that
was
in
all
48
has
been
converted
and
we're
now
going
through
our
C,
editor
and
edicue,
and
all
those
other
things
to
to
get
them
all
into
v3
and
oh
we're
finding
so
many
lovely
edge
cases
of
things
that
we
have
to
iterate
on
to
figure
out,
what's
the
right
thing
with
the
tool,
etc,
etc.
F
This
is
one
of
the
reasons,
as
you
may
recall,
from
conversations
earlier
this
year
that
the
service
level
agreement
is
essentially
on
hold
until
April,
so
that
we
can.
We
can
work
through
this
process
and
then
try
and
get
caught
up
on
things
if
you
would
like
to
help
because
one
of
the
things
that
makes
this
challenge.
As
I
mentioned,
we
have
a
nice
large
corpus
of
material,
including
things
like
cluster
238.
It
came
in
at
the
same
time
the
format
was
going
live
so
did
cluster
340,
that's
a
lot
of
documents.
F
If
you
have
a
document
in
cube,
it
isn't
in
off
48,
and
you
would
like
to
perhaps
reach
out
to
the
RFC
editor
and
say
we're
willing
to
help.
Do
the
work
to
convert
this
to
v3.
Please
drop
them
a
note
and
tell
them
that
if
you
want
to
know
a
little
bit
more
information
as
to
what
would
you
be
getting
yourself
into
if
you
made
such
a
marvelous
request,
I
strongly
suggest
you
look
at
the
FAQ,
that's
linked
to
on
these
slides.
It
answers
a
lot
of
questions
that
people
have
had
about.
F
F
F
The
result
of
these
conversations
held
at
the
on
the
calls
in
the
session
and
on
the
RFC
interest
mailing
list
is
to
recommend
establishing
an
open,
IEP
program
that
would
basically
drive
consensus
in
the
community
of
interest
around
any
changes
to
the
RFC
editor
model.
If
you
would
like
to
know
more
about
that,
I've
already
updated
the
draft
based
on
the
feedback
in
the
session
that
got
posted
this
afternoon.
F
So
that's
out
there
and
if
you
have
feedback
on
that
in
terms
of
what's
being
proposed
for
moving
this
conversation
forward,
now
would
be
a
really
good
time
to
share
it,
because
my
hope
is
that
the
the
draft
is
reasonably
complete.
It's
not
going
to
be
published
as
an
RFC,
but
it's
something
that
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
hand
off
to
the
IB
at
the
earliest
possible
moment
so
that
they
can
actually
act
on
the
recommendations.
This
year,
I
mentioned
the
service
level
agreement
being
on
hold
until
April.
F
How
many
of
you
know
that
for
for
everything,
v2
and
earlier
there's
now
annotated,
RFC's,
our
SES
that
have
been
annotated
with
verified
errata?
Some
of
you
know
that
most
of
you
are
just
staring
at
me.
Well
guess
what
they
are
there.
You
can
get
to
them
via
the
data
tracker.
If
you
know
that
there
is
an
RFC
that
has
errata
and
they're
not
showing
make
sure
that
the
outer
errata
are
verified
not
hold
for
document
update,
not
anything
like
that,
and
those
are
out
there.
F
We
do
not
have
those
for
v3
yet
because
there's
just
not
that
many
v3
documents
at
this
point
and
it's
a
require
a
little
bit
of
a
different
work
and
a
different
tool
chain
to
do
that.
So
it
is
expected
later
and
with
that
that
is
my
last
five
minutes
of
fame.
Is
the
RFC
series
editor
I,
wish
you
all
the
very
very
best
going
forward
and
I
will
come
up
with
the
IV
for
questions
later.
Thank
you.
G
Makes
a
lot
of
noise
walking
up
here?
Alright,
this
is
a
non
come
update
for
this
year.
The
first
thing
about
Nam
Kham
is
we
can't
talk
about
Nam
Kham?
Actually,
no.
We
can't
talk
about
calm,
all
right,
Singapore.
So
last
ITF,
we
assembled
the
group
of
folks
who
will
slave
I
mean
work
for
the
community
to
select
the
for
the
rolls
coming
up
this
year,
this
Nam
Kham,
which
is
106
where
we
do
all
the
interviews.
So
that's
us.
G
We
look
like
silhouettes
when
we're
in
the
room
and
we're
interviewing
all
the
folks
who
put
their
names
forward
and
were
willing
to
serve
the
community.
This
is
a
kind
of
a
view
of
the
process.
We
we
slept.
We
got
the
NomCom
committee
together
previously
back
in
the
early
summer.
We
had
a
call
for
nominees.
As
we
approach
August
in
September,
we
had.
We
started
a
call
for
a
feedback
a
number
weeks
ago
and
the
green
areas
where
we
are
now
where
we're
looking
for
feedback.
So
I
may
remind
everyone
we're
looking
for
feedback.
G
G
So
just
in
case
you
don't
know
where
to
put
a
ride.
The
feedback
in
the
native
tracker
you
can
move
on
to
web
page.
It
looks
just
like
that
under
the
NomCom
2019
section,
there
is
a
section
there,
you
can
click
on
feedback
and
you
can
provide
you
feedback
on
all
the
nominees
Summoner
nominees,
whatever
you
like,
and
we
did
come
here,
ready
to
work
we're
working
together.
The
NomCom
is
very
sited.
There's
lots
of
opinions,
we're
moving
forward,
we're
interviewing
all
the
folks
or
having
a
great
time
so
who's
on
the
NomCom.
G
If
the
NomCom
members
don't
mind
standing
up
to
show
everybody
who
you
are,
these
are
the
folks
not
sure
who's
all
there
here
they
are.
These
are
the
ones
who
have
taken
their
time.
They
stopped
doing
all
the
other
work,
not
all
their
other
work
and
they're
here
to
take
your
feedback,
please
please,
please
reach
out
to
them
in
the
hallways.
They
have
orange
dots.
G
The
best
way
to
know
what
happens
at
the
ITF
is
to
be
part
of
the
NomCom.
You
learn
a
lot
about
the
various
positions
of
their
various
roles.
It's
a
great
experience
and
we
feed
you.
So
don't
forget
that
there's
so
much
food
we're
all
going
to
gain
five
pounds.
So
the
number
of
positions
we
have
IHG
positions
and
we
have
IB
positions
available
for
this
cycle.
Those
are
two
years.
G
Those
are
for
two
years
and
this
year
we're
gonna
revisit
the
start
of
the
refilling
of
the
LLC
and
the
trust
positions,
and
those
are
three
year.
Moving
forward
last
year
was
the
one
and
only
year
where
we
had
a
1,
a
2
and
a
3
year
as
we
sat
in
and
primed
those
new
positions,
but
moving
forward
every
year
the
NomCom
were
refilled,
one
of
the
outgoing
positions
both
for
the
board
LLC
and
for
the
ITF
trust
so
I
chart
no
I'll
just
highlight
a
couple
of
things.
G
I
was
told
everyone
likes
numbers,
so
I
have
some
numbers
here.
As
I
noted
in
the
in
the
grey
box
areas
LLC
board
ITF,
there
was
three
positions
last
year
moving
forward,
we're
gonna
have
one.
So
what
are
all
these?
Other
numbers
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
hey
how
many
people
do
we
have
for
the
various
positions
just
to
highlight
a
couple
of
things
that
we've
noticed
within
the
NomCom
just
for
the
community
to
be
aware,
one
good
news
is
we
had
an
amazing
number
of
nominations
for
transport
the
summer
out.
G
It
was
very,
very
high,
however,
not
as
many
accepts
so
I
think
for
every
15
people
we
nominate
one
might
actually
accept
so
so
we
need
45
next
year.
If
we
want
to
get
three
all
right,
the
the
purple
and
the
black
triangles
or
not,
triangle
started
square
is
one
thing
we've
noticed
is
sometimes
when
there
is
an
incumbent
who
also
wants
to
you
know
continue
to
go
forward.
There's
sometimes
tends
to
be
less
people
willing
to
put
their
name
forward
for
that
position.
G
That's
one
thing:
we've
noticed
I'm
not
going
to
put
any
qualitative
analysis
into
that.
However,
I
think
it's
important
for
folks
to
know
that
even
incumbents
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
other
people
that
are
ready
to
take
position.
Take
the
position.
Anyhow,
it's
good
to
be
part
of
the
process,
it's
good
to
go
through
the
process,
and
we
don't
know
we
always
want
the
best
folks
for
the
roles.
G
So
I
would
you
know
don't
let
incumbency
block
one
from
you
know,
putting
your
name
forward
and
accepting
the
opportunity
to
serve
the
community
and
a
greater
capacity,
it's
very
important.
So
what
can
you
do?
Feedback
I
said
it
a
few
times.
I
say
it
again:
we
need
feedback.
Please
please,
please
provide
your
feedback.
It's
very
very
important,
nominate
people
next
time
around,
obviously
we're
too
late
this
year,
but
nominate
yourself
sometimes
means
someone
doesn't
know
that
you
are
willing
to
put
your
name
forward.
G
G
H
G
J
Mu
it--if,
executive,
director
and
I'm
sure
you
know
Portia,
who
is
the
outgoing
interim
IT
executive
director
ATF
executive
director
before
I
start
with
the
slides
I
just
want
to
give
real.
Thank
you
to
some
people.
So
four
weeks
into
this
role
and
I've
had
considerable
port
support,
getting
myself
acquainted
with
some
arcane
customs,
with
lots
of
different
processes
with
some
unusual
documents
and
various
other
things
so
I've
had
fantastic
support.
J
Thank
you
very
much
from
Portia
particularly
been
very
efficient
from
the
Secretariat,
who
have
been
absolutely
spectacular
from
ELISA
who's
gone
out
of
a
way
to
give
me
significant
time
to
help
with
things
and
from
the
many
members
of
the
community
that
I've
come
across
and
spoken
to.
So
thank
you.
It's
been
very
welcoming
and
a
very
nice
way
to
start
off
in
a
new
job.
It
will
probably
all
go
to
custard
from
now,
but
it
also
now
it's
been
wonderful
thinking.
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
The
NOC
team,
I
am
also
very
impressed
by
I,
have
been
in
there
and
they
have
explained
everything
in
great
detail
and
I
have
come
over.
My
head
buzzing
that
has
been
remarkable.
I
have
resisted
the
temptation
to
tell
them
how
to
do
things
differently,
so
that
has
been
marvelous
line.
Speed
meet
echo
and
all
of
the
volunteers
really
are
quite
dedicated
and
I
think
the
fact
that
they
are
a
lot
to
wager
in
the
day
time
means
that
we
don't
often
see
how
well
they
do
so.
Thank
you
to
them
as
well.
J
J
J
We
need
to
thank
our
global
hosts,
so
these
are
people
have
made
long-term
commitments
to
support
the
ITF,
which
really
is
quite
something
in
this
day
and
age
who
are
giving
us
that
money
to
ensure
the
longevity
of
the
ITF
and
who
can
make
our
lives
a
lot
easier,
because
we
know
we
have
that
long
term
funding.
So
we
have
cisco,
juniper,
Comcast,
NBC,
Universal,
Ericsson
and
Nokia.
Thank
you
all
very
much
as
well.
J
Future
meeting
venues
we
have
a
number
of
these
pin
down
now.
Just
a
note
that,
beginning
in
2022,
you
probably
know
this
better
than
me.
We
are
shifting
the
order
of
the
regions,
so
that
Asia
is
the
first
region
in
the
year.
This
is
where
we
stand
so
far.
We're
currently
still
looking
for
sponsors
for
some
of
these
meetings
and
we
are
still
looking
at
venues
and
cities,
so
we
can't
yet
fill
this
in
fully,
but
that
will
be
filled
in
over
time
and
you'll
hear
about
that
right.
So
for
this
meeting
we
have
had.
J
These
are
the
figures
to
show
you,
the
number
of
participants
revenue
is
above
budget,
don't
get
excited,
it's
not
going
to
be
an
open
bar
some
years
and
sometimes
it's
under.
Sometimes
it's
over.
It's
very
good
that
it's
over,
but
it's
we
have
to
look
it
over
a
long
term
prospect
for
that,
but
it's
still
very
good
finished
this
meeting
registration
breakdown,
as
you've
heard
we
still
have
where
we
have
a
breakdown
across
there
of
people.
J
I'll
leave
that
for
you
to
have
a
look
at
I,
think
one
of
the
things
I
would
be
looking
at
is
better
data
here
for
the
IHG,
so
that
they're
able
to
look
at
this
and
do
something
more
valuable
with
it.
But
for
now
this
is
simply
a
table
for
you.
So
that's
it!
Thank
you
very
much.
There
will
be
proper
thanks
to
Porsche
and
the
board
session,
but
thank
you
all
for
making
my
first
time,
Pleasant.
Okay,.
K
So
this
is
the
board
I
believe
at
least
Peter
is
remotely
participating
from
his
home
in
Belgium
Maya,
planned
to
but
she's
ill
at
the
moment
and
ELISA
and
Shawn
are
obviously
here.
We
have
some
upcoming
board
meetings.
I
won't
go
through
the
details
here.
What
we've
been
trying
to
do
is
basically
publish
several
months
in
advance
when
the
board
meetings
are
and
we
invite
people
to
participate
when
we
hold
some
of
those
coincident
with
ITF
meetings
or
ICANN
meetings
or
other
meetings.
We
welcome
people
to
attend
in
person
as
well,
so
recent
work
completed.
K
We
have
been
busy
since
the
last
meeting
have
importantly
gotten
some
some
big
things
done.
First,
obviously
hired
a
permanent
executive
director
J,
who
just
spoke
a
moment
ago.
We
also
recently
finalized
the
first
round
of
LLC
policies
and
in
addition,
we
filed
on
the
website
all
of
the
conflict
of
interest
policies
or
filings.
Excuse
me
for
the
board
members,
including
two
additional
memos
pertaining
to
them,
and
some
of
that
will
be
updated
as
things
change.
K
K
Finalizing
the
Secretariat
services
RFP
and
a
number
of
others,
and
lastly,
we
are
just
in
the
process
of
publishing
and
wrapping
up
our
2020
budget,
which
is
really
the
first
time
that
we've
been
on
top
of
what
our
expenses
actually
look
like,
and
you
know
a
number
of
those
from
the
past
few
months.
So
that's
important
as
well.
K
K
Excuse
me
to
really
extend
our
thanks
to
Porsche,
so
she
has
served
here
as
executive
director
since
2017
so
about
two
years
and
really
provided
a
bridge
from
the
IOC
or
the
original
I
Assam
model
to
the
new
model
and
helped
us
navigate
through
a
time
of
incredible
administrative
and
legal
uncertainty
and
did
that
with
the
plum.
So
we
really
appreciate
her
efforts,
she's
continuing
through
the
end
of
the
year
to
help
that
transition
occur.
So
I'd
like
to
please
recognize
Portia
for
the
great
work.
K
And
we
have
a
couple
things,
because
we
know
that
the
ITF
can
be
a
real
pain
in
the
ass
or
pain
in
the
back
or
pain
in
the
neck.
We
got
you
a
gift
of
the
Mandarin
Oriental
in
Washington
DC,
if
you'd
like
to
have
a
massage
or
something
like
that,
try
to
work
all
the
stress
of
dealing
with
us
out.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
we
have
a
nice
plaque.
A
newly
redesigned
one.
So.
K
So,
what's
coming
next
between
now
on
the
next
meeting.
First,
while
we
announced
the
policies
that
doesn't
mean
that
they're
really
enforced,
so
we
have
to
implement
them,
which
essentially
means
roll
them
out
and
then
have
a
compliance
program
to
ensure
that
we
comply
with
them
and
so
expect
to
hear
more
news
on
those
things.
Soon
we
have
a
number
of
RFPs
that
need
to
be
wrapped
up,
basically,
contracts
that
need
to
be
done
so
J's
on
top
of
that
with
legal
counsel.
K
How
do
we
want
to
resource
them
so
that
we
can
say
increase,
fundraising,
responsive
or
what
have
you?
So
that's
an
important
one
and
then
finally-
and
we're
almost
all
the
way
through
this,
but
finalizing
an
investment
policy
statement,
basically
a
guide
to
how
things
like
our
reserve
funds
and
our
endowment
are
invested
to
manage
those
resources,
so
nothing
magical
there.
That
should
be
done
fairly
soon.
K
This
is
we're
happy
during
the
question-and-answer
time,
to
take
questions
here.
This
is
a
quick
snapshot
and
it's
a
night
chart
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
everything.
This
is
for
us
a
bit
of
a
transitional
year,
because
we
came
in
as
a
board
and
the
March
timeframe
with
a
budget
that
was
developed
before
we
really
had
a
clear
sense
of
costs
and
in
a
number
of
cases
we've
had
delays
from
when
we
projected
bringing
resources
on
and
so
that
caused
in
some
cases
costs
to
be
a
little
bit
lower.
K
In
other
cases,
you
know
things
ended
up
being
a
little
bit
more
expensive
than
we
thought.
So
all
those
things
meted
out.
We
think
that
our
2020
budget
will
be
a
little
bit
more
accurate
in
those
respects,
because
we've
got
real
working
data
to
go
from
and,
of
course,
lots
of
ways
to
contact
us
we're
happy
to
have
your
involvement
and
definitely
encourage
anyone
to
attend
our
regular
meetings.
So
I
think
with
that.
Thank
you
very
much
and
we'll
see
you
on
the
stage
later
on.
Thank
you.
A
So
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
quick
preview
of
IETF
107
anybody
who's
had
a
great
time
here
should
think
about
joining
us
again
in
March,
ITF
107
will
take
place
in
Vancouver
March
21
to
27,
and
we've
been
very
pleased
to
secure
a
host
for
that
meeting
in
Iowa.
So
please
join
me
in
thanking
huawei
for
signing
up
to
sponsor
the
idea.
A
I
Thank
you,
hello.
Everyone,
I'm,
Andrew,
Sullivan,
I'm,
the
president
and
CEO
of
the
Internet
Society,
and
we
are
the
presenters
of
the
Jonathan
beep
Estelle
award.
This
is
a
service
award
that
was
created
to
honor
the
memory
of
Jon,
Postel
I
didn't
know
Jon
Postel,
but
many
of
you
did.
He
is
sometimes
invoked
as
something
of
a
saint
or
a
patron
of
in
various
in
various
arguments.
I
am
told
reliably
that
he
was,
however,
a
truly
and
deeply
human
person
who
consistently
gave
his
all
for
the
benefit
of
the
Internet.
I
He
was,
of
course,
the
first
editor
of
the
arm
of
the
RFC
series
he
authored
and
co-authored
dozens
of
hundreds
of
RFC
s,
first,
director
of
Vienna,
etc,
but
I
think,
most
importantly,
he
provided
us
with
this
tradition
of
working
on
behalf
of
the
Internet
I
think
that
the
Internet
is
a
marvelously
human
technology.
It's
something
you
know
it's
very
easy
to
forget
that
we're
really
working
here
on
behalf
of
humanity
and
it's
something
that
I
you
know.
I
I
kind
of
wake
up
every
day
and
I
can't
believe
that
I
get
to
participate
in
this
along
with
so
many
other
people
and
I.
Think
that
that's
the
reason
that
the
Postell
award
was
established,
the
Internet
Society
this
award
to
honor
people
and
organizations
who,
like
castel,
made
these
outstanding
contributions
in
service
to
the
data
communications
community,
and
there
is
surprised
there
is
a
crystal
trophy
that
is
right
here,
and
there
is
also
a
US
dollar
twenty
thousand
dollar
prize.
I
There
are
many
awardees.
Many
of
these
are
people
that
that
we
all
know,
and,
of
course
they
have
contributed
consistently
to
the
development
of
the
internet
and
I.
Think
that
that
this
long
tradition
allows
us
to
reflect
on
how
it
is
that
that
we
get
the
Internet,
we
get
it
as
a
collaborative
effort,
something
that
we
do
together.
The
fact
that
we
do
this
thing
together
means
that
humans
have
to
contribute
to
one
another
and
as
a
collective
effort
in
order
to
in
order
to
do
that,
this
year's
awardee
is
I.
Think.
I
Many
of
you
know
na,
as
as
we
can
tell,
and
he
has
been
a
contributor
to
the
internet
community
for
many
many
years.
He
is
one
of
the
people
who
brought
IP
to
Africa.
In
the
first
place.
He
is
one
of
the
people
who
helped
in
the
creation
of
AfriNIC
and
continues
to
this
very
day
working
on
education
and
research
networks,
contributing
to
the
development
of
this.
You
know,
for
everyone
and
I
think
that
that
is
one
of
the
most
beautiful
things.
M
L
So
he
works
explicitly
in
this
community,
so
many
people
has
issues
spending
my
last
name,
I,
say
IANA,
so
wack,
so
I
come
from
Africa
and
I'm
someone
who
had
opportunity
to
put
his
fingers
in
bulletin
board
system.
You
GCPs
tcp/ip,
as
Andrew
Jose,
said,
establishing
the
first
connectivity
in
Togo,
Liberia's,
Guinea,
Conakry,
etc,
etcetera
I've,
been
involved
also
in
building
the
ecosystem
in
Africa,
and
these
days,
I'm
devoting
my
time
building
research
and
education
network,
because
this
ecosystem,
the
terrain
ecosystem,
is
lagging
behind
and
not
playing
role.
M
L
But
what
brought
me
here
today,
I
believe,
is
model
impact
of
my
journeys
and
eternal
itself.
I
rested
the
technologies
in
mid.
Nineteen
were
courage
and
determination
when
needed,
to
build
the
knowledge
to
convince
people
to
let
you
demonstrate
and
do
what
you
think
needed
for
people
to
move
a
bit
and
to
connect
and
talk
to
each
other.
L
It
was
also
important
to
really
push
fight.
Go
species
talk
to
government
talk
to
civil
society
that
Africa
cannot
stay
away
from
what
was
going
on
at
a
time.
You
all
know
Africa
how
government
how
this
is
a
very
important
and
for
them
internet
was
a
no-go.
We
have
to
do
that
at
that
time:
dedications
and
staff
net
commitment,
the
sense
of
services
and
pragmatics
where
resources
which
empower
and
exerted
me
reading
all
these
experience,
they
are
still
driving
me
today.
L
L
L
I
do
ask
for
permission
to
conclude
by
giving
a
special
thank
to
someone
who
many
of
us
know
very
well,
professor
Nick.
We
know
who
made
the
long
trek
to
be
here
tonight,
thanks
prof,
four
tirelessly
monitoring
the
flame
in
me,
always
moving
the
target
and
renewing,
because
and
for
continuously
reminders
about
the
unfinished
and
their
own
started
businesses
of
Internet
on
the
continent.
Thank
you.
A
N
She
was
someone
who
knitted
together
the
research
community
and
the
IETF
and
the
IAB
she
retired
2007
to
two
years.
Sorry,
she
retired
from
active
life
here
2007
and
if
any
of
you
heard
of
red
random
early
detection
algorithm
there
was
there
was
and
Van
Jackson
I've
tried
to
find
out
which
it
was
more
of,
but
they
were
working
together
and
that,
along
with
many
many
of
our
other
research
papers,
but
at
the
point
two
years
before
she
retired
in
the
top
ten
cited
researchers
in
the
whole
of
computer
science.
N
So
you
know
that's
that's
quite
something:
it's
not
just
in
networking
she
introduced
the
network,
simulator
and
s-two.
She
was
one
of
the
lead
lead
on
that
and
helped
also
to
bring
in
and
it's
three
afterwards-
and
she
also
was
the
author
on
many
many
rfcs
here.
She
I
mean
you
think
you
can
go
and
look
at
her
list.
But
if
I
pick
out,
I
guess
she's
most
known
for
her
crusade
for
careful
congestion
control
and
she
wrote
many
RFC's
on
that.
N
N
We
might
not
have
heard
the
Internet
we've
gone
now
and
just
that
ramming
home
continually
how
important
it
was.
Even
though
it's
something
that
had
never.
You
know
after
the
congestion
collapses
in
the
80s.
It
is
something
that
never
happened.
You
have
to
keep
remembering
what
never
happened.
So
it
doesn't
happen
and-
and
the
other
point
someone
made
to
me-
was
also
all
the
people
who
she
explained
to.
N
N
O
Well,
so
I'm,
actually
I'm
gonna
back
up
a
little
bit.
I
have
been
to
many
CCNA
classes
and
that
kind
of
thing,
during
my
time,
at
Cisco
and
educational
environments
throughout
the
world
and
everywhere
that
I
would
go.
I
would
have
the
teacher
the
professor
come
to
me
and
say:
would
you
spend
the
lunch
break
with
the
women
in
my
class
because
they
think
there
is
no
place
for
women
in
IT
and
I?
Would
I
actually
had
talked
that
I
would
show
them
and
I
would
say.
O
O
The
the
SNMP
protocol
was
the
outcome
of
the
doctoral
research
done
by
Marshall
Rose
brought
to
the
IETF
with
four
major
architects
behind
it
Marshall
and
Geoff
case
and
Steve
ballbuster
and
Keith.
Now
the
I
went
around
and
I
spoke
with
or
I
emailed
with
various
people
who
knew
Keith
and
knew
his
contributions
and
asked
them
for
comments,
and
if
there
was
one
thing
that
I
heard
from
every
single
one
of
them
is
that
he
was
a
gentleman
and
a
very
good
engineer.
So
I
included
those
comments
on
on
these
slides
here.
O
Andy
Biermann
I
note
is
on
the
deme
deco
tonight,
so
Andy's
comment
and
one
that
I
heard
from
many
was
that
he
was
completely
trusted
by
the
community.
If
they
had
made
comments
on
a
document
in
something
needed
to
happen
it
if
Keith
understood
didn't,
and
he
always
did
once
Kees
understood
them.
The
right
thing
would
happen
and
he
was
trusted
with,
which
is
an
important
thing.
Keith
made
a
huge
contribution
in
this
community.
P
Sten,
rather,
who
was
the
man
a
working
group
chair?
That's
the
way
on
October
22nd
of
this
year,
I
started
working
with
Stan,
probably
around
20
years
ago.
We,
his
team
and
I,
started
working
on
something
that
was
called
ad-hoc
Network
at
the
time.
I
didn't
know
what
it
was.
So
we
had
the
pleasure
of
having
him
explained
to
us
and
introduced
all
of
us
to
that
world
of
for
structureless
completely
distributed
networking
at
the
beginning
of
our
collaboration.
We
didn't
know
each
other
very
well,
but
we
quickly
the
whole
team
got
to
know
him.
P
That's
know
his
humor
self-deprecating,
sarcastic
and
sometimes
even
politically
correct.
He
was
a
engineer
that
always
put
his
abilities
down.
He
didn't
want
to
be
the
center
of
attention,
but
it
was
clear
from
the
beginning
that
he
would
be
what
he
became.
He
became
pillar
of
the
community.
He
will
be
missed
by
a
whole
industry.
He
made
very
important
contributions,
some
of
them
Allah
and
he's
also
a
quarter
of
a
OD
version.
P
He
was
a
chair
of
the
many
working
group
for
many
many
years
during
probably
the
most
productive
time
of
the
working
group,
but
also
the
most
contentious
time
in
the
working.
He
was
always
there
to
provide
his
technical
opinion
to
bring
the
working
room
forward,
to
get
it
to
consensus,
to
try
to
move
it
along
and
have
fruitful
discussions
all
the
time
or
last
couple
of
years
the
working
group
has
been
slowing
down,
so
maybe
for
the
last
four
or
five
months.
P
He
was
the
only
chair
in
the
money
where
we
last
had
a
conversation
on
October,
21st,
okay
before
he
died,
and
you
talked
about
the
meeting,
the
working
group
and
what
we
were
planning
to
do
here.
So
today
we
actually
had
the
meeting
a
meeting
before
right
before
the
plenary,
and
we
did
probably
what
Stan
would
have
wanted
to
do
many
times,
especially
during
the
contentious
times,
was
working.
We
had
a
short.
P
Through
document
updates,
and
then
we
went
to
the
bar,
we
had
a
same
red
live
tribute,
barb
off-site
meeting
at
an
actual
bar.
It
was
great
which
well
stories
about
Stan,
self-deprecating,
sarcastic
and
some
actually
politically
correct.
We
drank
beer
beer
that
Stan
would
actually
choose
from
a
town
in
Germany
called
fuking
after
very
care
policy
that
work.
P
It's
a
hell.
You
can
put
two
hundred
together,
which
in
German
I
think
it
means
like
a
pale.
His
closest
friends
from
the
working
group
in
the
ATF
were
there.
We
will
all
miss
him
her
stories
of
a
these
closing
working
groups,
while
they're
standing
up
here
on
the
stage
most
of
them
before
they
leave
the
Aug
I.
P
H
H
Don't
worry,
Heather
is
I,
think
unflappable
at
least
she
appears
to
be
she
sort
of
drifts
around
serenely
like
a
swan
and
maybe
underneath
her
legs
are
flapping,
but
we
we
really
don't
notice
that
and
I
think
she
sort
of
parachuted
into
a
very,
very
strange
environment
where
we're
an
odd
set
of
people.
I
I
wouldn't
say
that
we're
easy
to
get
on
with
in
a
work
sense
and
it's
not
an
easy
environment
to
enter,
but
Heather
seemed
to
just
drop
in
and
was
immediately
working
and
being
effective.
H
In
particular,
she
inherited
two
issues
that
have
been
hanging
over
us
for
absolutely
forever:
the
the
fact
that
we
publish
our
documents
in
ASCII,
and
we
really
ought
to
go
a
bit
beyond
that
and
that
our
publication
format
was
maybe
a
little
rusty
and
old
and
those
seem
like
insurmountable
problems.
They've
been
there
forever,
but
Heather
just
got
on
with
it
and,
as
you
saw
from
her
slides
earlier,
progress
has
been
made.
H
Heather
is
always
polite,
at
least
she's
always
polite
to
me,
and
she
always
appears
to
be
polite
to
everybody
else.
She's,
charming
and
totally
and
absolutely
professional
and
every
time
I
see
her
in
a
difficult
situation
dealing
with
it.
I'm
just
blown
away
by
how
she
manages
to
remain
calm
and
professional
she's
been
a
great
asset
to
us
and
I
find
it
hard
to
imagine
the
ITF
without
her.
But
although
she
will
be
missed,
we
thank
her
and
hope
she
will
do
well
in
her
new
work
and
I
think
we
need
it.
R
U
O
E
V
Don't
have
a
question:
I
really
just
wanted
to
stand
at
the
microphone
one.
Last
time
and
say
thank
you.
Heather
Flanagan
you've
made
my
six
years
on.
The
air
saw
an
absolute
dream.
I
couldn't
have
asked
for
better
I.
Think
what
you've
given
to
the
ietf
since
I
didn't
have
any
of
that
past
history
I
mean
no
disrespect
to
everybody
who
came
before
you,
but
if
for
anybody
who
comes
after
you,
they
have
extremely
large
shoes
to
fill.
V
W
I
wanted
to
reflect
a
little
bit
on
my
Nam,
calm
experiences
so
far
and
perhaps
ask
for
some
help
going
forward.
It
has
been
a
very,
very
rewarding
experience
to
be
on
the
NomCom
so
far
throughout
my
professional
work.
I
am
mostly
limited
to
the
internet,
routing
side
of
things
and
in
interviewing
the
many
candidates
that
have
made
themselves
available
to
be
considered.
Candidates
for
various
different
boards
I've
had
a
phenomenal
insight
into
how
the
ITF
works.
W
What
I
a
bee
does
how
I
achieve
works
very,
very
insightful
and
cool,
and
in
the
current
set
of
nominees
there
there
it
was
a
fantastic
set
of
candidates
available
for
aib
positions.
If
I
look
at
I
AST
nominees
for
some
of
the
positions,
it's
it's
fairly
challenging
to
make
good
choices
when
there
is
a
lack
of
choices,
and
actually
maybe
I
should
now
move
to
this
community,
because
the
reason
we
have
a
lack
of
choices
is
that
there
has
been
a
lack
of
nominations
by
you
and
me.
W
So
what
is
it?
We
can
do
to
encourage
more
participation
in
the
leadership
roles,
for
the
functions
that
need
to
be
appointed
to
two
people,
and
also
part
of
that
process
is
that
people
leave
feedback
and
I've
observed
that
many
many
people
have
provided
feedback
through
online
tool
or
conversations
and
always
or
coming
to
the
NomCom
office.
That
is
great
I'm
very
happy
with
that.
W
X
X
There
are
two
reasons
here:
one
is
the
protection
of
the
organization
if
things
pan
out
as
I
expect
them
to
do.
In
that
case,
which,
at
this
point
I
expect
to
become
a
federal
case,
there
will
be
fingers
being
pointed
and
it
will
become
very
serious
and
I
think
that
it,
it
behooves
us
to
at
least
warn
people
that,
even
if
you're,
not
officially
speaking
for
your
organization,
if
you
get
up
to
a
microphone-
and
you
say
if
your
company
offers
this
service
to
various
people,
then
we
will
destroy
your
business.
E
First,
let
me
say
I'm
relieved
that
this
is
all
happening
in
a
different
SDO.
That's
very
good
news!
Indeed.
Second
I'd
like
to
just
point
out
that
the
the
note
well
and
the
documents
which
it
refers
to
are
all
actually
published
on
the
IETF
stream
and
therefore
it's
really
the
IEEE
ASG
should
take
note
of
your
comments.
S
K
Y
Yeah
Brian
carpenter,
thanks
for
the
the
report
earlier
I'm,
not
trying
to
be
provocative,
but,
as
you
know,
the
the
previous
thing
we
had
the
AOC
dug
its
own
grave
by
getting
far
too
deep
into
micromanagement.
So
I'd
like
to
know
now
that
you
have
a
permanent
executive
director
in
place,
what
the
board
is
going
to
do
to
make
sure
he
does
the
management
and
you
do
the
strategy.
K
Well,
I
think
that's
are
one
of
our
key
jobs
is
to
make
sure
that
that's
the
case,
and
you
know,
we've
said
that
those
expectations
with
Jay
from
the
start
and
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
regular
topic
of
conversation
to
ensure
that
we
are
doing
so.
You
know
I
think.
Certainly
habits
have
to
be
set.
You.
K
Z
Siobhan's
ahead,
so
I
learned
this
ITF
meeting
that
the
one
day
guest
pass
program
that
allowed
local
researchers
and
academics
to
attend
the
IETF
for
free.
For
one
day
the
program
was
discontinued
and
and
as
a
co-chair
of
a
research
group,
we
rely.
We
have
relied
on
this
program
to
get
local
researchers
to
come
and
give
presentations.
Z
So
I
understand
some
of
the
reasons
behind
why
that
was
why
this
was
done.
Just
wondering
why
it
was
not
announced
and
also
wondering
like
if
there
is
a
plan
for
like
having
something
similar,
because
it
is
I
feel
like
it
is
a
goal
of
the
ITF.
You
know
one
of
the
goals
we
go
to.
The
reasons
why
we
go
to
different
venues
is
so
that
we
can
engage
with
the
local
community
and
I
think
you
know.
Professors
and
students
are
an
important
part
of
that.
A
Thank
you
for
your
question,
so
it's
true
that
we
had
to
put
the
guest
Day
program
on
pause.
We
were
having
some
difficulty
with
people
who
were
abusing
the
program
for
the
purposes
of
being
able
to
travel
to
a
particular
country,
and
then
they
weren't
actually
local
people.
They
were
just
using
it
to
get
into
the
country
and
then
not
showing
up
at
the
IETF
meeting.
So
we
had
to
make
a
decision
on
short
order
about
that.
A
T
A
A
T
A
T
AA
AA
One
I
think
thank
you
guys
for
not
forgetting
about
that,
and
obviously
you
have
very
important
things
to
do
like
hire.
J
and
I
look
forward
to
working
on
this
problem.
So
we
understand
our
carbon
footprint
and
understand
how
we
can
continue
to
work
effectively,
maybe
even
by
reducing
our
carbon
footprint
and
I'll,
be
talking
more
with
everybody
about
this
soon.
Thank.
C
A
AB
Y
U
I
will
I
will
attempt
not
to
use
my
full
two
minutes.
I'm
John,
Levine
I,
have
kind
of
a
meta
question
here.
I
have
noticed,
I
am
using
the
mic.
Perhaps
I
can
shout
out.
Do
it
more
loudly,
okay,
well,
there's
15
seconds
out
of
the
way.
My
question
is
I'm,
seeing
a
lot
more
tribalism
that
I
have
in
the
past,
and
particularly
in
some
of
the
some
of
the
some
of
the
working
groups
I'm
in
it's,
it's
very
unfortunate
that
people
seem
to
like
you
get
people
onto
slate.
U
As
close
to
it
as
an
answer
you
get
as
you
can
and
then
use
omit,
but
it
is
important
that
you
be
able
to
say:
I
am
not
thrilled
with
this
answer,
but
I
don't
hate
it
so
much
that
I'm
that
I'm
gonna
kill
it.
You
know-
and
this
is
different
from
rough
consensus,
whatever
rough
consensus
is
basically
somebody
says
we're
close
enough
and
the
people
who
hate
it
too
bad
here
we
ask
people
specifically
to
say
you
know:
I
am
in
the
interests
in
the
interest
of
the
entire
group.
U
You
know
I'm
standing
back,
because
it's
more
important.
The
thing
goes
ahead
and
I'm
wondering
you
know,
have
the
rest
of
you
noticed
this
and
I'm
Chris
Oh.
Many
of
you
have,
and
if
so
is
you
know,
is
there
something?
Is
there
any
way
we
can
kind
of
work
on
our
process
to
try
to
make
it
more
consensus,
II
and
perhaps
more
productive
in
dealing
with
the
very
contentious
topics
that
we
are
running
into.
R
I
think
we
have
to
rely
on
the
working
group
chairs
to
lead
this
and
Pete
Resnick
has
been
having
conversations
with
the
working
group
chairs,
for
instance
today,
and
the
working
group
chairs
lunch
trying
to
help
sort
out
how
to
call
consensus
and
how
to
lead.
People
into
consensus
and
ELISA
has
been
working
on
getting
training
for
the
working
group
chairs
that
we're
going
to
be
starting
to
set
up
soon.
So
I.
AB
Guess
that's
my
answer.
Yeah.
Instead
of
following
on
from
that,
this
sort
of
taking
a
step
back
or
being
willing
to
stand
back
and
say
it's
more
important
than
it
goes
ahead
than
that
I
get
my
way
is
something
which
needs
to
be
learnt
over
time.
If
you
have
some
recommendations
or
suggestions,
where
you
see
that
working
that
you
can
send
that
people
can
sort
of
learn
from
I
think
would
be
really
helpful.
AB
AC
Yeah
I
think
to
answer
the
first
half
of
your
question.
Yes,
I.
Think
more
of
us
have
seen
that,
and
another
thing
that
I
would
add
is
that
some
of
the
steps
that
we're
trying
to
take
to
help
sort
of
improve
the
general
conduct
are
related
to
things
that
we
can
do
to
get
people
to
think
about
what
are
the
actual
screaming's
and
what
is
best
for
the
intern
as
a
whole
and
maybe
felicitate
a
facilitate
that's
sort
of
standing
back
that
you
described.
Q
Wester
Tucker
is
a
and
I'm
here
to
answer
John's
question
and
I.
A
number
of
you
have
heard
this
speech
from
me
this
week
alone,
but
the
reality
is
is
that
we
have
a
culture
in
this
in
the
IGF,
where
we
desire
to
poke
holes
in
somebody's
technical
statements
and
technical
plans
without
really
considering.
Q
If
there's
any
good
parts
you
want
to
make
use
of,
and
so
rather
than
looking
for
the
good
parts
we'll
get
a
line
of
20
people
that
want
to
you
know,
poke
a
hole
and
often
the
same
hole
that
the
person
before
them.
You
know
just
just
found
it
does
start
with
the
working
group
chairs.
It
does
start
with
the
iesg
members
and
to
talk
to
the
person
that
asks
the
question
about.
What
can
we
do
to
get
more
appointees
to
the
IHG
members?
Q
We
need
a
better
environment
where
people
are
rewarded
for
actually
helping
and
actually
participating,
as
opposed
to
standing
on
two
sides
of
offense
and
just
refusing
to
even
look
over
the
fence
to
see
the
other
side
and
whether
the
grass
is
even
there
that
that's
gonna
take
work
not
just
from
the
ASG
members,
not
just
from
working
for
charities.
Gonna,
take
work
from
the
whole
community
and
and
I
encourage
to
go
back
to
the
NomCom
person
that
was
asking
about.
You
know
how
do
we
select
who's
going
to
be
pointed
into
a
position?
Q
T
So
there
was
a
disc
recent
discussion
on
the
ITF
lists
about
the
role
of
area
directors
and
how
much
work
they
have
to
do
or
didn't
don't
do
or
all
of
that
and
I
thought.
That
was
interesting
and
you
know,
as
we
here
you
can
see
from
the
NomCom
report,
it's
hard
to
fill
your
jobs.
So
I'd
like
to
hear
from
you
guys
and
yeah.
You
don't
need
to
do
it
in
whatever
the
timer
says,
but
I'd
like
to
get
your
feedback
on.
T
A
So,
thank
you
for
your
question.
We
had
a
discussion
of
this
in
the
is
G
day
before
yesterday,
and
we
felt
that
the
discussion
list
had
gone
in
many
different
directions
and
that,
as
a
first
step,
what
we
thought
would
be
useful
would
be
to
just
draw
up
a
list
and
sort
of
categorize
the
various
different
parts
of
the
problem
and
directions
that
this
conversation
had
gone
in.
There's
also
a
lot
of
history
here.
Many
eye
issues
have
discussed
this
problem
then,
faced
with
you
know
similar
NomCom
statistics,
so
we
thought
as
a
baseline.
A
It
might
be
useful
to
just
outline
what
the
set
of
issues
are
that
have
been
raised
and
try
to
structure
our
own
thinking
and
discussion.
That
way,
instead
of
you
know
that
the
mailing
list
threads
and
another
part
of
our
discussion
was
also
around
the
perception
of
how
much
time
the
ad
roll
takes
and
that,
although
we
disclosed
this
and
the
job
descriptions
and
whatnot
that
it
still
might
not
be
clear
exactly
what
the
range
is
of
the
amount
of
time
that
various
different
ATS
dedicate
to
the
job
and
do
so
successfully.
A
AD
Yeah
thanks
Bob,
so
one
of
the
things
we
noticed
was
that
a
lot
of
the
things
in
there
have
been
suggested
and
tried
before
as
well.
So
that's
kind
of
why
you
want
to
like
collect
all
those
things
and
and
talk
about
previous
experiences
on
some
of
these
things
right,
like
the
directorate's,
like
you
know
what
worked
what
didn't
work,
so
we
want
to
take
some
time
to
come
up
with
a
comprehensive
answer
over
there
on
like
what
you
think
about.
What's
come
up,
there.
AC
Yeah
and
I
would
also
add
that
the
amount
of
work
that
it
takes
to
be
an
ad
is
to
a
larger
pan,
to
a
large
extent
dependent
on
what
you
want
to
make
it
take
I
mean
if
you
don't
feel
a
need
to
put
in
all
of
your
time.
It's
definitely
possible
to
do
the
job
in
less
time
than
some
of
us
are
putting
ahead.