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From YouTube: IETF107-Plenary-20200325-2233
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Plenary at IETF 107
2020/03/25 2233
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/107/proceedings
A
Okay,
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
get
started.
My
name
is
Alyssa
Cooper
I'm,
the
chair
of
the
IETF,
and
welcome
to
the
ITF
107
administrative
and
operations
plenary
doing
this
in
our
virtual
format.
This
week,
as
as
the
slide
says,
if
you're
having
difficulty
joining
audio
via
VoIP
computer
audio
as
it's
called
in
WebEx,
you
might
want
to
try
the
option
to
call
in
there's
been
a
some
issues
with
audio
join
today
in
WebEx.
So
if
you're
struggling
with
that,
there's
another
option
for
you
slide,
please.
A
So,
as
with
all
of
our
sessions
this
week,
there's
a
few
things
that
we're
suggesting
for
people
and
some
reminders
to
help
us
keep
the
session
running
smoothly.
Please
turn
off
your
video
when
you
join,
if
you
haven't
already
having
video
off,
gives
us
a
better
chance
of
keeping
the
session
up
and
reducing
the
load
on
the
server
side,
please
meet
your
microphone
unless
you're
speaking.
If
we
hear
a
lot
of
background
noise
from
you,
then
the
Secretariat
will
warm
you
too.
So
please
try
to
avoid
that.
A
We're
going
to
be
using
the
WebEx
chat
window
exclusively
for
joining
the
mic.
You
so
typing
+
Q
into
the
WebEx
chat,
will
allow
you
to
join
the
queue
typing
queue
allows
you
to
remove
yourself
from
the
queue.
If
you
just.
If
you
change
your
mind,
there
is
a
plenary
jabber
room
plenary
at
jabiru,
ets
org,
which
can
be
used
for
all
other
conversation,
but
we
want
to
try
to
keep
the
WebEx
chat
window
exclusively
for
the
queue
management
purpose.
A
So
here's
our
agenda
for
today
this
is
the
Welcome
following
the
Welcome.
We
will
have
a
presentation
from
our
meeting
host
and
then
brief
updates
from
a
number
of
individuals
responsible
for
different
parts
of
the
IETF
and
its
sister
organizations.
So
I'll
give
one
for
the
ITF
itself,
we'll
have
Colin
Perkins
talk
about
the
IRT
F,
don't
lybian
for
the
RFC
series,
Victor
parsing
for
the
NomCom
J
Daly
and
Jason
lemon
good
for
the
ITF
LLC
and
Glen
Dean
for
the
ITF
trust,
and
we
will
try
to
keep
all
of
those
quite
short.
A
We
know
that
it's
an
odd
hour
lots
of
different
places
in
the
world,
so
we'll
keep
it
brief.
Next
slide,
please
and
then
we'll
move
on
to
our
open
microphone
sessions,
starting
with
the
IETF
Administration
LLC,
and
then
for
the
Internet
Engineering
steering
group.
We
will
recognize
our
outgoing
members
and
do
an
open
microphone
session
and
then
the
same
for
the
internet
architecture
board
next
slide.
Please.
A
So
first
I'd
like
to
extend
deep
appreciation
to
our
meeting
hosts
Huawei
they've
made
an
extraordinary
commitment
to
the
IETF
in
continuing
to
support
this
meeting,
even
though
we
had
to
convert
it
from
an
impersonal
meeting
to
virtual,
and
so
we
are
truly
appreciative
for
that.
Continued
support,
despite
all
the
chain
is
and
a
lot
that
had
to
happen
behind
the
scenes
and
at
the
last
minute
to
make
it
make
it
go
off.
So
we
really
appreciate
them
sticking
with
us
through
this
whole
process.
B
Okay,
thank
you
good
evening,
good
afternoon
and
the
good
morning.
Everyone
here
my
name
is
Ryan
and
I'm,
a
head
of
the
ITF
accounting
of
Huawei,
which
coordinates
IT,
always
our
activities
in
IETF
community.
So
as
a
ITF,
107
virtual
meeting
host
and
the
property
being
the
first
diversion
meeting,
hosted
United
history,
I
guess
I'm
honored,
to
have
a
brief
speech
in
this
meeting.
B
B
B
So
please
I
can
see
the
slightly
up
this
one
I
just
wanted
to
show
you
the
social
event,
as
example,
together
with
ALC,
we
really
carefully
planned
the
the
social
event.
We
choose
a
very
great
great
value,
for
this
is
your
crowns
mountains
result
and
in
this
venue
we
can
have
a
lots
of
activities
like
ice
skating,
snowshoeing
and
skiing,
and
even
we
planned
a
great
shoe,
which
is
set
box,
drawing
try
to
describe
the
over
30
years,
history
of
ITF
community
this
here
just
to
show,
as
example,
and
the
next
page,
please.
B
B
Ok.
So
anyway,
although
although
this
the
meetings
converge
to
a
version
1
but
the
fabrications
of
the
ITF
mo7
teachers,
we
is
still
ongoing.
With
help
of
the
LC,
we
will
be
able
to
distribute
them
to
all
the
ITF
or
past
events
during
the
next
item
in
person
meeting,
ok,
so
again
for
every
ITF
full
participant.
We
really
would
like
to
thank
you
all,
and
we
all
believe
that
the
implication
of
the
virus
will
stop
soon,
based
on
the
efforts
of
the
all
of
the
word
and
as
well
as
by
the
ITF
community.
B
A
A
A
So
there's
some
humor
going
around
the
internet
about
virtual
meetings
as
the
entire
world
has
moved
its
work
to
video
conferencing.
It
seems,
and
when
I
saw
this
cartoon
in
particular
earlier
last
week,
I
sort
of
thought
to
myself.
This
could
be
us.
It's
it's
possible
that
at
the
end
of
that
ITF,
we
could
think
to
ourselves
that
really
we
could
have
done
everything
by
email
and
we
do
so
much
by
email
anyway,
but
I
think
at
least
in
my
personal
opinion.
Up
to
now
the
first
half
of
the
week.
A
A
So,
in
converting
from
the
in-person
meeting
to
the
virtual,
we
had
not
a
lot
of
time
to
plan
and
many
constraints
just
to
take
through
a
few
of
them.
Major
one
is
time
zones.
We
are
spread
all
over
the
world,
and
while
that
means
that
when
we
have
an
in-person
meeting,
different
people
experience
jetlag
differently,
we
have
a
totally
different
set
of
challenges
not
related
to
jetlag,
but
to
what
time
it
is
in
different
is
when
people
are
joining
and
that's
doesn't
have
any
easy
solutions.
A
A
We
had
the
notion
that
the
amount
of
time
needed
for
some
of
the
virtual
sessions
might
differ
from
what
we
had
planned
for
the
in-person
meeting,
just
because
the
nature
of
the
interaction
is
different.
We
had
to
think
about
that.
We
had
to
think
about
the
impact
of
the
virtual
meeting
on
the
NomCom
requirements
has
spelled
out
in
RFC
83
18.
A
We've
had
some
further
discussion
about
that,
even
just
today
in
the
image
n
dispatch
meeting,
but
this
has
implications
because
the
non-pom
requirements
are
very
much
rooted
in
the
notion
of
having
three
in-person
meetings
per
year,
and
then
we
had
to
think
about
web
conferencing
technology,
which
everybody
I'm
sure
has
lots
of
opinions
about
and
experiences
with.
So
there
was
a
lot
a
lot
to
kind
of
balance
and
not
a
lot
of
time,
because
we
made
this
decision
to
switch
to
virtual
I'm
not
too
long
ago.
A
So,
as
people
I
think
are
aware,
some
people
are
aware.
We
reduced
our
schedule
pretty
significantly
to
put
emphasis
on
groups
that
really
needed
bootstrapping
buffs
dispatch
groups
and
working
groups.
That
would
be
meeting
for
the
first
time
to
give
them
the
benefit
of
that
real
time.
Interaction
and
participation
from
across
the
IETF
areas
that
new
groups
need
in
order
to
establish
themselves
as
opposed
to
existing
groups,
which
might
be
a
little
bit
more
accustomed
to
working
by
email
and
having
interim
meetings
and
so
forth.
A
In
terms
of
the
timing,
we
anticipated
having
relatively
few
participants
in
the
part
of
the
world
between
Europe
and
China,
and
so
the
schedule
aimed
to
give
what
we
expected
to
be
the
bulk
of
the
participants,
an
opportunity
to
experience
some
version
of
night
time,
perhaps
a
little
bit
more
on
the
earlier
and/or.
The
later
end
of
that.
A
But
at
least
you
know
some
dark
hours
where
we
weren't
having
meetings
scheduled,
and
we
thought,
if
we're
asking
people
to
join
meetings,
multiple
days
in
a
row
that
that
was
pretty
important
for
everybody's
ability
to
participate
effectively.
But
that
said,
deep
respect
for
people
who
are
joining
us
from
India
from
the
Middle
East
from
elsewhere,
who
are
working
through
the
night
people
who
are
dealing
with
family
commitments
on
the
side
who
are
staying
up
late,
getting
up
early
in
order
to
progress
the
work
of
the
IETF.
A
A
A
Please
extend
our
thanks
to
them,
because
they've
they've
just
done
an
amazing
job.
I
also
wanted
to
just
take
a
moment
for
us
to
collectively
marvel
at
how
the
Internet's
ability
to
connect
people
is
really
a
bright
spot
and
what
is
otherwise
a
fairly
dark
time.
I,
think
is,
everybody
recognizes.
It
seems,
like
a
large
part
of
the
world
has
experienced
both
the
joys
and
the
pitfalls
of
video
conferencing.
In
recent
weeks.
A
Many
people
for
the
first
time
and
more
broadly,
the
Internet,
is
allowing
people
to
connect
in
anyways
and
in
some
cases
that
are
critical
and
life-saving
ways
in
a
very
difficult
time,
even
though
they
are
have
to
be
physically
separated
and
that's
something
that
our
community
and
everyone
who
has
worked
to
build.
The
Internet
should
be
proud
of
that.
We're
making
a
contribution
to.
A
People's
lives
in
a
really
meaningful
way,
I
think
it
also
kind
of
gives
some
renewed
purpose
to
our
mission
here,
which
is
to
make
the
internet
work
better.
We
have
the
opportunity
to
channel
all
of
the
anxiety
and
uncertainty
and
confinement
that
we're
experiencing
right
now
into
continuing
to
improve
the
network
upon
which
the
entire
world
is
relying
in
a
really
serious
way,
and
so
that's
something
that
I
know
I'm
grateful
for
and
that
we
all
can
be
grateful
for
that.
A
A
With
respect
to
the
future,
we
have
a
lot
of
weighty,
difficult
conversations
to
have
about
how
the
virtual
meeting
experience
impacts
us
and
there's
a
number
of
different
threads
that
have
already
emerged.
So
the
first
one
I
have
here
on
the
slide
is
about
scheduling
in
light
of
timezone
constraints.
A
This
is,
as
I
said,
at
the
top
of
a
very
difficult
task,
always
disadvantages.
Some
people
we've
had
this
conversation
in
the
context
of
physical
meetings
as
we
move
them
around
to
different
geographies.
But
it's
not
it's
not
really
the
same
issue
at
set
of
issues
to
tackle
so
in
the
iesg
we've
been
talking
about
this
a
little
bit.
A
We
were,
you
know
much
more
focused
on
107
and
on
the
future
for
obvious
reasons,
but
we
will
be
kicking
off
some
discussion
about
this
and
then
your
future
and
we'll
let
people
know
which
list
is
the
list
where
we
intend
to
do
that,
we're
hoping
to
get
that
organized
in
fairly
short
order.
The
next
one
is
eligibility
for
the
2020
2021
NomCom,
so
this
is
the
NomCom
that
will
be
seated
this
year.
There's
a
discussion
thread.
A
That's
happening
about
that
on
the
IETF
IETF
org
list
and
we're
asking
people
to
comment
in
that
thread
by
April
30th.
This
is
a
topic
that
has
a
very
short
fuse,
because
the
NomCom
needs
to
be
seated
in
the
first
half
of
this
year
and
the
eligibility
criteria
state
that
one
has
to
have
attended
three
out
of
the
last
five
IETF
meetings
in
order
to
be
eligible.
So
we
need
to
figure
out
how
IT
f-107
fits
into
that.
A
A
Venues
I
know
it's
kind
of
a
lot
there's
what
we're
trying
to
sort
of
segment
the
problem,
because
there's
many
dimensions
to
it
so
appreciate
folks,
chiming
in
on
the
on
the
various
lists
and
threads.
If
you
have
thoughts,
opinions
and
experiences
to
share
next
slide,
please
so
one
or
summin
participant
statistics
I
thought
some
of
you
might
miss
this
slide.
A
I'd
also
just
again
remind
people
to
register
if
you
are
attending
remotely
and
you
and
you
didn't
register
already
again,
you
don't,
strictly
speaking,
have
to
do
this
in
order
to
join
any
of
our
WebEx
sessions,
but
it
will
help
us
to
get
a
sense
of
members
and
hopefully
be
able
to
compare
in
some
reasonable
way
with
other
meetings
that
we've
had
in
the
past.
So
please
register.
A
If
you
haven't
already,
if
you
were
registered
for
the
in-person
meeting,
you
have
been
converted
into
a
remote
participant
already
and
you
don't
need
to
register,
but
if
you
never
registered,
then
we'd
like
we'd
like
for
you
to
register.
So
please
do
next
slide.
Please
there's
much
more
covered
in
our
reports
that
we
have
posted
online
from
myself
and
from
the
IES.
She
we
received
one
appeal
in
the
last
cycle,
which
we've
just
posted
a
response
to
within
the
last
day
and
there's
lots
more
reports
from
other
groups
associated
with
the
ITF.
A
C
Great
thank
you
next
slide,
please,
okay.
So
this
is
the
internet
research
task
force
plenary
report.
My
name
is
Colin
Perkins
I'm,
the
IRT
F
chair
next
slide,
so
the
IRT
F
is
a
parallel
organization
to
the
IETF
that
provides
say
a
home
for
longer
term.
Research,
work
that
relates
to
the
the
evolution
of
the
Internet
protocols,
applications,
architectures
and
technologies.
The
idea
IRT
F,
is
organized
as
a
set
of
research
groups.
C
None
of
the
groups
are
actually
meeting
this
week.
Those
shaded
in
dark
blue
on
the
slide
have
been
scheduled
or
are
planning
to
schedule
virtual
meetings
during
that
the
next
few
weeks.
So,
if
you're
interested
in
any
of
those
topics,
please
do
look
out
for
those
meetings
and
try
and
attend
over
the
next
few
weeks.
Next
slide,
please
the
in
the
ITF,
rather
than
holding
buffs,
to
form
new
reform
new
research
groups.
We
charter
new
work,
as
proposed
research
groups
that
meet
for
a
year
and
then
undergo
a
review
to
determine
if
they'll
continue.
I'm.
C
Very
pleased
to
note
that
the
computation
in
the
network
group
had
its
review
in
Singapore
and
was
approved
as
a
full
research
group
in
December,
and
the
quantum
internet
group
has
just
finished
its
review
and
has
just
been
approved
as
a
full
research
group
earlier
this
week.
The
briefings
are
really
nice
work,
so
look
out
for
their
meetings
and
look
out
for
the
meetings
for
the
rest
of
the
research
groups
coming
up
over
the
next
month
or
so
next
slide.
C
In
addition
to
the
research
groups,
we
run
the
applied
networking
research
workshop
in
conjunction
with
ACM
sitcom.
The
2020
edition
of
this
workshop
is
planned
to
take
place
in
July,
Maria
and
Roland
are
organizing
that,
and
hopefully
it
will
take
place
in
in
person
in
Madrid.
The
coffee
papers
for
the
workshop
is
available
on
the
website.
The
submission
deadline
is
the
10th
of
April
and
you've
got
any
interesting,
applied
networking
research
and
please
do
consider
submitting
to
that
webshop
as
I
say
we're
hoping
to
run.
This
is
an
in-person
event
in
Madrid.
C
If
we
succeed
in
doing
that,
there
will
be
travel
grants
available.
So
if
you're,
a
student
look
out
for
the
student
travel
grants
which
are
available
on
the
websites
and
if
we
fail
to
do
that,
we'll
be
holding
the
workshop
online
instead,
so
please
do
work
in
the
city
submit
submitting
your
applied
networking
research
work
next
slide.
C
C
We
had
three
really
interesting
talks
planned
for
this
meeting
from
Renisha
from
Georgia
and
from
Inga,
and
unfortunately
we
had
to
postpone
them
due
to
the
cancellation
of
the
in-person
meeting,
we're
hoping
to
bring
the
winners
to
one
of
the
in-person
ITF
meetings
later
in
this
year,
so
they
can
give
their
awards
then
participate
in
the
meeting.
If
that's
not
possible,
we'll
be
doing
the
talks
at
one
of
the
future
IOT
F
open
meetings
on
online.
C
D
Thank
you
next
slide.
Please
I'm
gonna
give
you
the
short
update
about
as
the
temporary
RFC
series
project
manager
next
slide,
please
the
last
full-time,
or
at
least
last
full
hour
of
C
series
that
have
been
resigned
at
the
end
of
last
year,
though
I'm
here
for
a
year
and
a
half
holding
the
fort
and
the
normal
RSA
duties,
are
they
split
between
the
are
sock
and
B?
Next,
please
I'm
pleased
to
report
that
the
production
of
RFC's
is
is
still
continuing.
We
now
have
a
hundred
RFC's
published
in
XML.
D
It's
it's
been
slower
than
we
expected,
because,
even
though
there
was
there
was
a
lot
of
work
done
on
the
tools
before
they
started,
not
surprisingly,
since
these
are
new
tools
in
a
new
format
that
there
has
been
a
lot
of
love
found
in
the
tools,
particularly
with
the
making
the
HTML
and
PDF
output.
Look
nice
there's
been
some
issues
with
the
XML
vocabulary
and
that's
slowed
things
down
a
lot,
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
scratching
my
head
about
and
that
I
need
to
say:
I
need
to
socialize.
D
Some
is
the
question
that
this
XML
is
what
is
considered
canonical
and
the
PDF
is
derived
from
that
is
it
would
it
would
it
be
worth
considering
the
possibility
of
putting
up
with
less
than
perfectly
beautiful
PDF
for
a
while?
So
we
can
fix
the
tools
and
we
render
the
non
canonical
stuff
I'm,
specifically
not
proposing
that
I'm
just
saying
something
to
think
about
the
service
level
agreement
that
has
been
on
hold
since
the
switch
in
the
new
tools.
D
It's
clearly
going
to
stay
on
hold
so
long
as
we're
dealing
with
an
outbreak
most
of
the
people
working
on
for
the
RFC
production,
Center
work
remotely.
So
at
this
point
we
have
been
calling
into
their
meetings
and
they
still
seem
to
be
as
productive
as
you
would
hope.
But
at
this
point
it
would
be
foolish
to
make
any
promises.
Next,
please.
D
We
came
up
with
a
new
vocabulary
for
the
v3
XML
which
which
we
have
been
using
as
we've
gained
experience
with
it.
We've
made
some
changes
to
the
exit
to
the
to
the
XML
to
deal
with
problems
that
came
up
or
or
that's
how
much
columns
that
came
up
but
sort
of
formatting
and
content
issues
that
we
hadn't
anticipated.
D
The
change
process
has
not
been
managed,
as
well
as
I,
as
as
it
might
have
been,
in
particular,
the
documentation
of
the
changes
with
the
vocabulary
way
behind
the
code
of
the
tools
I'm
working
on
that
with
with
the
people
involved
at
some
point,
we'll
have
to
figure
out
when
the
changes
are
done.
We
can
say.
Yes,
this
is
version
3.1,
and
then
we
may
go
back
and
retroactively
Lee.
Consider
whether
some
of
the
changes
necessarily
makes
sense
for
a
series
for
it
for
documents
that
are
supposed
to
be
archival
to
be.
D
D
So
if
you
are,
you
know
so
if
your
name
is
natively
written
in
Chinese,
we
can
now
put
that
in
the
RFC
is
along
with
the
English,
and
there
are
limited
other
places
where,
where
non,
ASCII
characters
are
allowed
technically
so
putting
Unicode
into
HTML
or
PDFs
is
not
hard.
Give
or
take
layout
of
mixed
script
is
actually
terribly
hard,
but
there's
libraries
that
deal
with
that.
The
most
difficult
thing
is
that
is
2mr
proofread
stuff
I
mean
if
it's
just
a
few
characters
that
are
not
in
English.
D
Those
are
fairly
straightforward
to
go,
but
forward
to
deal
with.
We
don't
have
anybody
on
staff.
Who
can
you
know
with
skills
in
non-english?
Language
is
good
enough
to
proofread
non
non
trivial
chunks
of
text.
Again,
that's
something!
There's
certainly
plenty
of
people
who
speak
lots
of
languages
here
in
the
ITF.
This
should
not
be
a
problem
with
the
cancel,
but
it's
one
we
need
to
think
about
next.
Please.
E
E
We
conducted
the
interviews
in
ITF
106
back
in
Singapore,
and
we've
had
all
the
selections
completed
and
proved
from
the
various
confirming
bodies
as
of
the
end
of
January,
and
so
now
the
NomCom
is
moving
into
quiet
mode
pending
any
needed
interim
selections
that
may
come
up
until
the
next
Nam
Kham
is
seated
next
night.
I'm
calm,
please
aye.
Sir
next
slide,
please
once
again
there's
a
quick
list
of
the
voting
members
and
the
non-voting
members,
including
liaisons
and
other
helped.
E
We
had
tremendous
positive
participation
this
year
and
I
was
very,
very
thankful
to
have
such
an
energetic
and
engaged
team.
So
thank
you
very
much
to
the
NomCom
members.
Next
slide
here
is
a
list
of
the
results
from
the
is
G.
The
I
is
G
selections,
the
OEE
selections,
the
LC
and
the
trust.
So
we
send
our
congratulations
out
to
those
who
were
nominated
and
were
confirmed
and
hope
they
great
things
from
them
next
slide.
Please
we
want
to
also
thank
the
community.
E
The
NomCom
was
very
happy
with
the
tremendous
support
we
had
in
terms
of
comments,
people
visiting
the
NomCom
rooms
I'm
over
105
and
106.
We
had
a
lot
of
feedback,
it
was
great
to
see
and
we
were
able
to
utilize
that,
as
we
went
through
our
deliberations
and
where
it
will
come
up
with
our
selections,
though
thank
you
for
everyone
and
I
wanted
to
make
a
special.
Thank
you
to
Scott,
who
was
a
tremendous,
great
past
chair
and
helped
me
out
quite
a
bit
next
slide.
Please.
E
E
And
I
guess
another
call
to
action,
we
kind
of
say
similar
things
each
time.
One
of
the
things
is
one
remind
folks.
Please
put
your
hat
in
the
ring
if,
as
a
NomCom
volunteer,
it's
a
taxi
but
incredibly
rewarding
experience,
you
learn
a
lot
about
the
ITF
as
you
go
through
the
process.
Obviously,
this
year
might
pose
an
interesting
way
to
select
them
volunteers,
but
please
put
your
name
in
the
Hat
sorry
had
in
the
ring
in
terms
of
four
positions.
E
E
We
believe
that
had
some
positive
momentum-
and
we
did-
we
definitely
focused
in
on
making
sure
we
utilize
a
review
period
to
be
able
to
dig
in
so
we
appreciate
all
those
who
did
put
their
name
toward
and
we
definitely
as
a
community
would
love
to
see
more
people
be
able
to
put
their
names
forward
in
the
future,
and
please
provide
your
support
to
the
next
NomCom
chair,
as
this
will
be
a
very
interesting
year
coming
and
that's
it.
Thank
you.
A
F
E
Question
so
the
answer
was
yes,
we
did
have
one
of
our
voting.
Members
was
unable
to
attend
and
we
modified
the
deliberations
and
we
were
able
to
have
them
participate.
The
particular
challenge
we
had
was
we
had
one
individual,
it's
remote
and
all
the
others
were
in
the
room,
but
we
definitely
were
able
to
find
a
way
to
make
that
work.
Everyone
was
very
cooperative
and
it
can
be
made
to
work.
E
It
requires
that
the
in-room
folks
are
diligent
and
listening
to
the
remote
folks
and
make
sure
that
we
provide
them
opportunity
to
speak
and
provide
input.
So,
yes,
we're
able
to
make
that
work
in
terms
of
interviews.
We
did
have
a
few
interviews
that
were
remote
where
both
the
interviewers
were
both
in
the
room
and
we
had
remote
interviewers
join
or
that
one
individual
join
remote
and
we
were
able
to
make
that
work
as
well.
It
took
preparation,
it's
a
cooperation
from
the
team,
but
it
we
did
find
a
way
to
make
it
work
need.
E
In
this
particular
case,
the
standard
tools
that
they
provided
were
sufficient.
We
had
the
WebEx
dialing
capabilities,
which
we
utilized
the
one,
the
one
tool
that
one
of
our
voting
members
brought.
We
utilize
was
an
in-room
speaker,
mic
system
which
wasn't
part
of
a
standard
toolkit,
but
something
that
one
of
the
members
had
which
was
help
make
it
work.
So
I
think
most
of
the
tools
we
use
were
all
standard,
but
there
was
a
couple
of
items
that
we
kind
of
macgyvered.
Sorry
I
shouldn't
use
that
term.
E
G
Alissa
start
next
slide.
Please
next
slide.
Well,
please
don't
want
to
start
off
by
thanking
far
away.
They
made
our
life
considerably
easier,
as
I
mean
it's,
it's
a
very
large
investment
that,
while
they
put
into
a
meeting
like
this-
and
they
were
very
helpful
indeed
about
all
of
the
difficulties
that
we
encountered
and
they've
continued
to
sponsor
the
virtual
meeting
and
which
is
fantastic.
So
thank
you
very
much
our
way
next
slide.
Please.
G
We
have
two
other
meeting
sponsors
as
well.
Ooh
took
the
plunge
to
sponsor
a
virtual
meeting,
so
Sarah
the
registry
for
CA
and
very
sign
the
registry
dot-com
net
another.
So
thank
you
both
very
much
for
continuing
to
sponsor
this
meetings
made
our
life
easier.
Next
slide,
please,
and
a
special
shout
out
to
tell
us
who
put
in
an
enormous
amount
of
work
for
us
to
have
connectivity
ready
at
Vancouver,
which,
of
course,
we're
not
using,
but
we
still
want
to
recognize
the
significant
work
they
did.
So.
G
Thank
you
very
much,
Telus
Exide,
please,
and
we
continue
to
be
supported
by
our
equipment,
sponsors,
Cisco
and
juniper
Networks.
Thank
you
very
much
and,
of
course,
we're
all
using
Cisco
WebEx
now,
which
is
donated
by
Cisco
for
us
to
use
next
slide.
Please,
our
sponsors
have
been
fantastic
in
this
regard.
Summers
you,
as
I've,
said
a
sponsored
this
meeting,
the
others
have
all
agreed
simply
to
shift
their
sponsorship
to
IETF
108.
So
thank
you
to
Mike
and
thank
you
to
Akamai
and
thank
you
to
Oracle
cloud
infrastructure.
G
G
There
was
still
a
code
sprint,
albeit
virtually
held
on
Saturday,
and
so
thank
you
to
the
contributors
here
who
are
able
to
participate
and
next
slide,
please
so
ITF
108
Madrid.
Of
course
there
are
still
concerns
about
this
going,
but
we
want
to
thank
Erickson
for
be
willing
to
host
this
and
we
still
have
sponsorship
opportunities
available.
So
please
do
contact
us
about
this
exciting
place
and
finally,
thank
you
to
all
of
our
global
hosts,
Cisco
Comcast,
Ericsson,
Juniper,
Networks,
NBC,
Universal
and
Nokia.
G
G
G
Please
and
meeting
snapshot
the
we
had
seven
hundred
and
three
people
who
had
paid
for
attendance
and
for
moat
participants,
we've
just
taken
a
guess
here,
as
I
said
earlier,
we
don't
really
know
we've
had
over
200
in
some
sessions,
but
we
haven't
yet
done
the
work
to
understand
whether
it's
the
same
200
next
slide.
Please
so
I'm
now
going
to
hand
over
to
Jason
living
LLC
board.
Thank
you
great.
H
H
We
publish
as
usual
our
upcoming
board
meetings,
starting
in
January.
We
moved
to
a
monthly
board
meeting
cadence
with
some
increase
in
frequency
prior
to
decision-making
around
the
Vancouver
venue
and
whether
we
would
continue
with
the
virus
and
so
on.
So
there
was
some
increased
frequency
right
around
that
time,
but
we're
getting
back
to
our
monthly
cadence,
at
least
for
now.
Our
next
meeting
is
tomorrow,
so
feel
free
to
join.
That
meeting
virtually
will
all
be
remote,
obviously,
and
then
thereafter,
for
now
at
least
we'll
have
a
monthly
cadence.
H
So
some
of
the
work
that
we've
recently
completed,
we
finished
our
fiscal
year,
2020
budget
since
our
last
November
meeting
f-106
and
that's
in
place.
Now,
of
course,
I'll
talk
about
the
finances
later
on.
In
a
moment
with
some
caveats
there
we
finalized
and
implemented
an
investment
policy
statement
which
is
a
fancy
way
of
just
sort
of
saying:
what's
our
strategy
for
investing
funds
and
the
mix
of
assets
or
types
of
investments
that
the
money
would
go
into
and
so
on
so
that's
complete
as
well.
H
In
January,
we
had
a
strategic
planning
retreat
in
Washington
DC
and
did
that
for
a
couple
days
that
was
very
productive
and
we
published
the
ITF
directors
goals
for
2020
that
was
published,
I
think
late,
January
early
February
and
finally,
we
updated
our
board
meeting
minutes
policy
to
ensure
that
those
board
minutes
would,
you
know,
be
published
within
a
couple
of
weeks
of
a
board
meeting,
and
that
was
something
that
sort
of
fell
between
the
filling
the
cracks.
You
know,
as
we
moved
from
twice
a
month
to
once
a
month.
H
Meetings
next
slide,
please
so
things
that
we're
currently
working
on
and
the
first
one
here
is
going
back
to
look
at
our
formation
documents.
There's
there
were
a
few
things
there
number
one
we
had
to
sort
of
communicate
back
to
them
that
we
had
completed
some
compliance.
Sorts
of
things
you
know
set
up
policies
and
and
so
on,
and
then
you
know
what
the
financial
commitment
they've
made
was
really
for
the
first
two
years,
so
this
fiscal
year
is
the
last
one
and
had
formal
agreement
and
the
formation
documents
specify
that
we
come
to
some.
H
You
know
ongoing
continuing
agreement
sometime
this
year
and
we've
started
that
process
of
working
on
some
of
those
numbers,
so
that
remains
a
key
work
item
for
us
to
ensure
long-term
financial
stability
and
then
the
second
item
is
completing
our
fundraising
and
sponsorship
strategy.
This
was
one
of
the
primary
work
activities
that
was
the
focus
of
our
January
retreat
and
we're
continuing
to
work
on
that
this
year.
H
The
first
half
this
year
in
particular,
of
course,
as
we
look
at
longer
term
investments
to
fiscal
year,
2021
and
beyond
we're
looking
at
other
areas
that
might
need
investment,
especially
with
the
prospect
or
potential
of
more
remote
meetings
and
in
terms
and
so
on,
looking
at
where
investment
might
be
needed
incrementally
and
figure
out
how
to
factor
that
into
future
budgets.
Obviously
much
will
be
learned
from
this
virtual
meeting
that
will
inform
that
so
more
to
come
on
that
and
then
policy
compliance
program
more
to
come
here.
H
So
this
is
our
quick
snapshot
of
the
current
fiscal
year
and
I
will
offer
two
important
caveats
here:
number
one.
This
is
only
reflective
of
one
month
of
the
operating
year
since
we've
only
closed
out
and
published
the
January
numbers,
at
least
on
the
top
part
and
the
balances,
and
so
obviously
the
the
meeting
hasn't
taken
place.
Yet
really
we
have
three,
you
know
main
financial
events
associated
with
the
meetings
every
year,
so
you
know
that's
normally
the
case.
Of
course,
with
this
extraordinary
change
of
you
know,
venue
from
Vancouver
to
virtual.
A
You
both
had
a
couple:
people
join
the
queue,
but
assuming
that
these
are
questions
for
either
Jay
or
the
board,
we
will
be
having
the
LLC
open
mic
just
after
the
ITF
trust
presentation.
So
I
would
ask
you
to
stay
and
we'll
keep
you
in
the
queue
and
come
back
during
the
open
mic.
Unless
that's
a
problem
for
anybody.
I
Alyssa,
can
you
hear
me?
Okay,
II
knew
you
Heather
next
slide,
please.
So
these
are
the
five
ITF
trustees
like
the
LLC.
We
are
a
group
that
stuck
together.
I
was
the
dog
calm
point
he
again
this
year
and
Stefan
Reiter
was
reaffirmed
by
the
iesg,
so
we
got
to
stay
together,
which
was
actually
very
good
for
the
trust,
because
we
don't
have
to
spend
the
money
to
rear
edge'
stir
all
of
our
registrations
that
are
actually
put
under
people's
names.
I
The
way
things
are
organized
so
for
those
who
don't
know,
the
ITF
trusts
is
essentially
in
charge
of
the
trademarks,
copyrights
and
software
licenses
for
the
ITF,
the
ITF
community
internet
community.
This
means
project
things
like.
If
you
want
to
put
the
ITF
logo
on
a
t-shirt,
you
need
to
come
to
ask
it
a
license.
I
Those
are
my
fault:
Roces
Joel,
Halpern,
Jon,
Levine,
Kathy,
Marty
who's.
Also,
our
treasurer
and
second
next
slide.
Please
so
2019
was
actually
a
pretty
busy
year
for
us,
which
is
very
usual
because
the
trust
is
usually
a
very
quiet
activity.
One
of
the
things
we
did
was
we
can
play
the
I
as
a
to
transition.
I
One
of
the
things
we're
also
working
on
is,
if
you
go
to
the
ICA
trust
website,
it
is
a
little
bit
dated
it's
under
the
style
of
the
old
website
and
where
they
go,
when
the
ITF
did
their
update.
They
didn't
update
the
trust
as
well,
so
we're
now
underway
doing
a
redesign
and
a
refresh,
and
that
will
be
revealed
later
in
the
year.
I
It
was
hopefully
going
to
be
revealed
around
ITF
107,
but
all
the
things
got
very
busy
and
we
were
able
to
get
that
done
in
time,
and
the
other
thing
we
did
get
done,
though,
is
the
20/20
budget
for
the
ITF
trustee
is
finalized.
We
were
just
waiting
on
the
LLC
to
finalize
and
publish
theirs,
which
they
did
thank
thankfully,
and
we've
now
finalized
ours
and
it's
published
on
the
ITF
trust
website.
Thank
you.
A
K
H
H
E
E
Back
to
this,
one
Jay
was
speaking
when
we,
when
we
saw
the
registration
count,
it
was
a
703
I
saw
there.
We
feel
it
was
part
of
it
is
that
lower
than
we
had
originally
anticipated
for
that
meeting,
and
do
we
feel
that
the
building
challenges
that
we
face
would
have
been
part
of
that
numbers?
I
recall,
North,
American
meetings,
I
thought
would
be
a
little
higher,
typically
in
terms
of
registrate
in-person
registrations,
so
that
was
my
original
question
is
what
you
feel
there
was
a
connection
there,
or
that
was
about
almost
what
we
expected.
G
So
Jason
I'll
pick
that
one
up
the
the
initially
registrations
were
tracking
our
expected
number
of
registrations
for
a
North
American
meeting.
But
it
wasn't
too
far
into
that
when
concerns
about
cope
in
nineteen
started
to
appear
and
then
deviated
from
that.
So
my
thought,
arms
we
know
I,
don't
think
there
are
any
problems
about
the
venue
in
that
regard
and
if
it
hadn't
been
for
cope
at
19
I
think
we
would
have
been
on
track
for
a
similar,
North
American
meeting
in
terms
of
registration
on.
M
It
is
I
had
two
issues
that
Jay
and
I
just
said,
or
what
other
bin
Jabr,
or
so
only
the
other
one,
the
appointment
of
an
anonymous
whistleblower
channel,
which
announcement
an
anonymous,
whistleblower,
Channel
and
a
contractor
to
manage
that
came
as
a
surprise
to
many
of
us.
It's
probably
a
wonderful
idea,
but
it's
also
a
sign
that
looks
like
a
sign
of
the
EOC
is
evolving
in
in
the
direction.
H
So
sub
Jason
I
can
speak
to
that.
We
created
a
whistleblower
policy
when
we
did
the
open
policy
consultation.
That
was
I
think
maybe
in
the
sort
of
fall
of
last
year,
and
so
you
know,
through
this
sort
of
October
through
December
timeframe.
We've
worked
on
that
you
know
we
had
that
policies
that
were
up
on
github
and
we
took
questions
and
comments
through
a
bunch
of
different
channels.
You
know
email
and
github
itself
and
there
was
a
whistleblower
policy
that
was
part
of
that,
and
this
is
one
of
the
requirements
that
we
had.
H
You
know
when
we
formed
there
was
a
requirement,
some
of
the
formation
documents
for
a
sort
of
thing.
So
it's
not
necessarily
whistleblower
policy
that
his
idea,
you
know
participant
wide,
but
you
can
see
this
on
the
github
site
and
you
know
really,
you
know
getting.
The
third
party
in
place
was
just
the
final
step
there
and
by
the
way,
I
should
know
it
as
well.
Not
only
was
it
recommended,
but
it
was
required
in
the
formation
agreement
by
I
sock.
H
M
Said
I
wasn't
objecting
to
anything,
you've
done
and
I
was
vaguely
aware
of
that
in
the
fall.
Although
some
of
us
were
preoccupied
with
the
I
asset
to
working
group.
As
you
know,
I
was
asking
if
there
are
more
things
like
that
in
the
queue
engineer,
anticipate
and
could
tell
us
about
or
not
like
either
either
today
or
on
the
idea.
First,
no.
H
Well,
there
are
not
any
other
policy
things
that
are
in
queue
right
now,
and
you
know,
as
you
saw
on
sort
of
the
list
of
things,
were
working
and
it's
really
just
executing
and
the
the
structure
we've
already
got.
You
know
figuring
out
the
sponsorship
and
fundraising
for
the
future
and
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
but
no
no,
no
plans
for
additional
policies
anytime
soon
and,
as
noted
I
think,
the
key
is
just
putting
everything
into
force.
You
know
really
making
sure
that
those
are
real
policies
and
not
just
paper.
Ok,.
N
In
regards
to
John,
and
maybe
a
couple
of
follow-on
questions,
one
is
what
is
the
ETF
LLC
in
to
ensure
to
complies
with
antitrust
laws
other
than
having
the
processes
examined
by
its
lawyers?
There
is
nothing
on
the
IETF
website
other
than
the
2012
list
archive.
A
second
question
is:
what
is
the
LLC
process
for
addressing
conflicts
of
interest
when
they're
raised,
then
I
have
been
raised,
I
carried
forward
and
the
reasoning
was
opaque
and
a
clear
reporting
process
be
established
for
the
next
IETF
meeting
and
transparency
around
this
set
up
and
then
related
again.
N
The
transparency
actually
I
think
follows
from
John's
question
about
getting
better
organized.
So
a
few
plenaries
ago,
a
question
was
raised
about
transparency
area.
Director
funding
was
a
great
idea.
Had
a
couple
of
ADEs
committed
on
the
spot,
it
could
be
extended
to
chairs
the
IETF
chair
said
it.
Would
he
looked
into?
What
is
the
result?
H
A
So
the
LLC
completed
that
a
while
back
and
then
the
IAB
has
just
completed
its
own
I,
think
process
and
published
its
a
statement
about
conflict
of
interest,
and
so
now
the
ball
is
in
the
ihds
court
to
sort
out
what
we
will
do
and
whether
we
will
follow
either
of
them
or
develop
our
own.
So
it's
still
a
pending
item
for
the
IHG
to
the
tackle.
H
H
The
first
question
pertained
to
antitrust
and
we
have
a
number
of
times
looked
at
antitrust
and
whether
we
wanted
to
revisit
that,
and
we
did
that
I
feel
like
it
was
in
the
fourth
quarter
one
last
time
and
there
were
a
bunch
of
discussions
on
some
email
us,
so
we
had
gone
back
and
looked
at
some
archives
and
J
I
think
you
also
have
been
talking
to
you
counsel
about
this.
Do
you
want
to
reply
and
provide
any
additional
information.
G
Yes,
at
the
ITF
106
plenary,
a
comment
was
made
on
an
open
accession
about
major
upcoming
antitrust
issues
that
the
IETF
ought
to
be
able
to
offer,
and
so
I
are
style
counsel
to
get
in
touch
with
a
person
directly
about
that,
and
if
there
were
any
specifics
that
we
ought
to
be
aware
of
and
no
specifics
emerge.
So
no
further
action
was
taken.
Our
council
do
keep
on
watching
briefed
on
any
emerging
antitrust
issues,
but
otherwise
there's
nothing
else.
N
O
O
A
H
Well,
that's
a
that's,
an
excellent
question
and
I'm
not
certain
that
there
is
a
definite
date
as
yet
Jay
do
you
want
to
speak
to
that,
based
on
your
discussions
with
the
Secretariat
and
so
on?
You
know,
I
think
at
a
high
level,
I
would
say
you
know
we
were
trying
to
sort
of
get
through
this
meeting
first
and
then,
based
on
what
we've
learned,
do
a
pretty
major
reassessment
but
Jay.
What
would
you
like
to
add
since
you've
been
so
attentively
working
with
the
Secretariat
on
these
issues,
yet.
G
P
G
Larry
I'll
pick
up
on
that.
Yes,
we
do
do
that
and
we
are
doing
that
contingency
planning.
This,
of
course,
is
the
the
first
time
this
has
happened
so
and
the
velocity
is
relatively
new.
So
there
is
no
existing
thorough
contingency
plan
in
this
regard,
but
that
is
something
that
we
and
the
is
G
are
working
together
on
and
developing
over
time.
Certainly,.
H
Q
G
I'll
pick
that
up
Pete,
so
that
was
a
comment
made
from
the
open
mic
session,
and
so
I
did
I
instructed
our
counsel
to
speak
to
that
person
so
that
we
could
understand
what
they
were
talking
about
and
understand
what
they
were
saying,
because
they
were
suggesting
that
there
was
some
new
legislation
or
something
else
coming.
That
was
going
to
be
a
problem,
and
so
that's
the
conversation
that
we
had
a
fact
gathering
information,
but
no
facts
were
gathered.
No
information
came
from
that,
and
so
it
stopped
at
that
point.
Q
G
Believe
that's
the
case.
Well,
I
believe
it's
a
it's.
It's
an
issue
for
both
organizations,
because
I
believe
the
LLC
carries
the
legal
liability
or
some
legal
liability
in
this
case,
and
so
it's
something
that
needs
to
be
worked
across
both
organizations,
but
in
terms
of
substantive
issues
around
it.
Yes,
we
would
defer
to
the
IHG
on
that
and
our
role
is
to
ensure
that
we
have
the
information
there,
that
we
can
present
the
options.
We
can
do
the
research
you
know,
so
the
IHG
doesn't
have
to
become
lawyers.
G
A
So
this
time
around,
we
have
five
area
directors
who
we
are
saying
goodbye
and
thank
you
to
the
outgoing
members
are
Agnes
Madonna's,
who
was
two
years
as
the
management
area
director
suresh
krisshnan
bent
for
years
as
internet
area
director
and
handled.
Among
other
thing,
many
a
difficult
conflict
review,
as
well
as
some
proposals
for
new
and
different
versions
of
IP,
so
always
interesting
and
challenges
in
the
internet
area.
A
We're
also
saying
goodbye
and
thanks
to
miracle
event,
spent
four
years
as
a
transport
ad.
The
people
who
helped
bring
us
the
working
group
that
has
eaten
up
a
lot
of
the
IETF,
also
known
as
quick
she's,
not
going
far,
though,
as
she
is
moving
on
to
become
a
member
of
the
IAB
and
in
fact
the
IAB
chair,
Alexei
Melnikov,
who
spent
four
years
as
art
ad
and
had
also
previously
served
a
two-year
term
as
ad
when
we
had
the
app
area.
A
So
he
is
the
longest-serving
member
to
be
stepping
down
this
time
and
certainly
miss
his
his
wisdom
derived
from
longevity
and
finally
Adam
Roach,
who
spent
three
years
as
art
ad
and
to
his
credit,
that
infamous
cluster
238
of
documents
related
to
web
RTC
got
into
RFC
editor
processing
just
before
he
is
stepping
down.
So
he
dealt
with
many
of
those
documents
but
will
not
be
dealing
with
all
48
and
will
pass
that
token
on
to
to
his
successor
next
slide,
please.
A
So
typically,
this
would
be
the
point
in
the
in-person
plenary,
where
the
outgoing
ADEs
would
ceremoniously
pass
their
badge
dots
to
the
incoming
ATS
and
sadly,
were
not
co-located.
So
we
can't
and
physically
pass
the
dots,
but
now
we
can
all
think
about
how
the
dots
might
be
flying
through
the
air
through
the
internet
on
your
screen.
So
that's
that's!
The
dot
passing
portion
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please,
and
now
we
are
ready
for
is
G
open
mic
and
you
can
see
these
are
the
folks
going
continuing
and
incoming
is
G.
A
Yes,
thank
you
Michael
and
thank
you
for
submitting
your
question
in
advance.
So
the
open
stand
project
specifies
some
principles
that
open
standards
organizations
abide
by
for
those
who
aren't
familiar
with
it.
And
if
you
look
at
the
open
stand
website,
you
can
see
that
the
web
presence
has
been
archived,
so
the
principles
are
there
they're
continuing
to
remain
up
on
the
site
for
people
to
reference
and
understand
and
potentially
to
use
again
in
the
future,
but
there's
not
any
active
promotion
that
is
going
on
right
now.
A
A
F
N
Hello
again,
I
had
two
questions.
One
relates
to
optically.
The
relationships
with
other
stos
I
was
wondering
what
concrete
steps
have
been
taken
to
address.
If
you
are
the
competition,
that's
there
taking
place
amongst
the
stos
and
the
potential
attrition
of
newcomers
and
diverse
stakeholders,
and
that
that's
related
to,
in
some
cases,
that
kind
of
a
hot
hostile
atmosphere
that
ETF
also
has
compared
to
other
stos.
N
A
S
N
Well,
there
has
been
an
RFC.
This
has
been
an
ongoing
controversy
going
back
into
the
the
1990s
when
when
Cleo
was
first
passed
and
its
counterparts
in
Europe
and
other
places
and
the
I'm
aware
of
the
RFC,
but
it's
not
clear.
Basically,
who
would
have
the
ball
here
of
ever
changing
the
position?
There
would
be
the
last
year,
I
a
be
or
whether
it's
possible
to
do
a
position
paper.
T
A
As
always,
I
think
the
most
important
thing
that
we
do
at
the
bottom
and
then
building
up
from
there.
We
have
liaison
managers
who
manage
their
relationships
across
the
board
between
the
work
of
the
IETF
and
working
groups
that
are
relevant
and
other
stos,
and
then
the
IAB
has
responsibility
for
shepherding
those
liaison
managers
checking
in
with
them
making
sure
that
the
relationships
are
are
solid
with
some
of
the
groups
that
we
engage
with
on
a
more
frequent
basis.
A
We
have
also
some
leadership
coordination
so
with
I,
Triple,
E
802,
for
example,
we
have
an
ongoing
communications
channel.
We
have
regular
sync
ups,
where
we
go
through
a
shared
list
of
items
of
interest
and
made
sure
you
know,
try
to
make
sure
that
we
maintain
alignment
and
find
people
who
can
contribute
on
one
side
or
the
other,
who
might
not
be
aware
of
new
work,
that's
coming
into
either
body.
So
in
specific
cases
we
make
it
a
little
bit
more
high-touch,
but
that's
the
general
approach
that
we
take
to
working
with
other
stos.
A
N
A
Yeah,
absolutely
and
3gpp,
as
well
as
one
of
those
where
we
have
a
sort
of
standing
mechanism
for
coordination
and
a
mailing
list
where,
in
a
bunch
of
interested
individuals,
not
just
the
liaison
manager,
are
involved.
I
know
that
tends
to
revolve
around
an
in-person
lunch
meeting.
So
we
might
need
to
you
know,
change
that
up
a
little
bit
as
things
go
forward,
but
that's
another
one
that
we've
we've
tried
to
be
a
little
more
hands-on
with
Thanks.
U
U
I
think
it
would
be
great
if
that
would
apply
to
the
wiki
the
job
at
the
etherpad,
maybe
the
the
WebEx
right
when
we're
doing
virtual
meetings,
because
right
now
there
is
no
statements
about
that,
and
rather
one
would
fear
not
to
use
an
ether
pad
or
a
wiki
or
so
to
to
organize
such
an
official
site
meetings
and
obviously
WebEx
and
jabber,
wouldn't
be
usable
by
themselves.
Right
now,
at
all.
A
Thank
you
for
the
question.
I'm,
sorry
for
the
delay.
Normally
I
can
like
look
people
in
the
eye
and
see
who
wants
to
answer.
They
raised
their
hand
and
we're
having
to
do
it
by
a
jabber.
So
it
takes
a
little
bit
longer,
I
think
at
the
moment
and
as
has
been
previewed
earlier
in
the
plenary,
we
have
been
focusing
on
the
short
order.
What
can
we
do
to
make
this
particular
meeting
go
off
smoothly?
A
We
have
a
lot
of
decisions
that
need
to
be
made
about
how
we
run
things
going
forward,
and
so
this
is,
you
know.
The
question
about
side
meetings
is
something
that
we
will
need
to
tackle,
but
it's
not
it's
not
something
that
we've
we've
really
had
time
to
discuss
in
the
context
of
you
know
many
many
more
virtual
meetings
that
are
happening
but
I
think
Suresh
has
more
to
say
about
that.
So
I'll,
let
Suresh
follow
up
thanks.
V
Darla
so
I
think
when
we
originally
started
off
the
side
meetings,
the
intent
was
to
clearly
delineate
the
meetings
from
the
official
meetings,
because
it
was
easy
for
people
outside
the
IETF
to
confuse
them
and
that's
why
we
decided
like
you
know.
This
is
not
something
we
wanted
to
encourage
at
that
time.
As
like
Alice
I
said,
like
you
know,
times
are
changing
and
probably
something
we
need
to
look
at,
but
that's
the
original
reason
why
we
didn't
do
specific
remote
support
for
this.
U
Things
completely
understood
and
it
wasn't
a
complaint,
so
I
completely
understand
that
this
couldn't
have
been.
You
know
anywhere
on
the
top
of
priority
app
so
far,
but
towards
108
would
be
great
too,
to
give
it
thoughts
and
definitely
I
think
there
should
be
a
clear
distinction.
So
people
won't
confuse.
W
T
Hi
Stuart,
so
this
is
Ben
Caidic.
Thanks
for
the
question,
I
actually
really
appreciate
one
of
your
suggestions
in
there
to
try
and
train
some
people
who
are
existing
routing
experts
in
security
issues
and
would
love
to
talk
to
any
volunteers
who
want
to
come
forward
and
get
some
training
in
that
regard.
I
think
the
topic
of
assigning
reviewers
to
documents
to
review
and
what
policy
to
use
when
doing
that
has
come
up
actually
several
times
in
our
security
Directorate
meetings.
T
In
the
context
of
do
we
want
to
specifically
find
people
who
are
domain
experts
versus
doing
more
round-robin
style
assignment
where
you
might
get
someone
who
has
no
background
knowledge
and
area
and
pretty
universally.
The
consensus
of
the
Directorate
has
been
that
the
round
robin
assignment
is
better
because
you
can
get
someone
who
has
a
completely
fresh
perspective,
and
you
know
yes.
T
This
is
not
directly
responsible,
ated
topic
that
that
comes
up
in
many
of
the
writing
drafts,
which
is
that
you
know
from
me
as
the
ad
and
Directorate.
We
really
want
to
make
sure
that
the
security
properties
of
the
protocol
as
a
whole,
including
say,
whatever
extension,
is
in
the
draft
under
question,
as
well
as
the
core
protocol.
T
T
A
lot
of
the
time
that's
not
going
to
be
document
all
of
the
considerations
of
the
base
protocol
in
the
document
for
this
specific
extension
but
I
think
that's
a
lot
of
discussion
or
thing
having
and
in
the
process
of
having
the
discussion
with
a
review
thread.
We
can
get
a
better
handle
and
even
start
to
write
down
what
some
of
those
considerations
are,
and
so,
while
I
sympathize
with
your
frustration,
I
do
think
that
we
should
try
it
and
always
look
for
the
path
towards
that.
The
best
outcome
in
the
future.
W
I
think
you
quite
often
reviewers
fail
to
understand
fundamental
knowledge
that
you
need
just
to
go
to
the
party
and
fame
to
recognize.
Actually,
a
lot
of
these
networks
are
pretty
secure.
Some
of
the
hottest
areas
to
attack
and
operators
have
a
long
long
history
of
securing
their
networks,
I
also
kind
of
feel.
The
expectation
of
the
review
team
is
that
we
write
the
document
for
the
complete
novice
instead
of
assuming
that
someone
needs
a
certain
level
of
experience.
W
T
Think,
that's
generally
the
case
to
be
able
to
assume
a
reasonable
level
of
familiarity,
familiarity
with
the
base
specification
to
work
on
an
extension,
but
I
think
it
still
needs
to
be
documented
in
terms
of
some
reference
or
initial
statement
that
you
know
we
rely
on
this
base
specification.
So,
if
you're
confused
by
what
you
read
here,
you
should
go.
Read
this
other
document.
Of
course,
not
in
those
words
and
I.
Don't
remember
specific
cases
of
this
off
the
top
of
my
head
to
really
be
able
to
come
with
more.
R
Actually
like
to
here's
me,
equipment
I
would
actually
like
to
add
a
little
bit
more.
A
general
note
because
for
us
having
the
directorate's
and
getting
the
three
Jews
in
is
very
round
well
I.
Think
in
general,
getting
more
use
for
the
documents
is
a
plus,
and
this
is
a
service
to
the
community,
so
I'm
very
thankful
for
people
doing
this
and
volunteering
and
spending
their
time
on
unruliness
documents.
It
is
challenging
to
review
a
document
from
a
different
we're,
not
an
expert.
A
R
The
outcome
of
the
document
and
I
hope
that
people
can
also
receive
it
that
way
and
try
to
be
constructive
and
and
try
to
take
into
account
that
somebody
reviewing
this
from
a
different
expertise
is
trying
to
bring
in
its
own
expertise
and
cannot
be
an
expert
of
the
protocol.
That
person
is
believing,
but
at
the
end
of
the
goal,
really
is
to
improve
the
protocol
to
improve
the
document
and
to
improve
the
ARBs
heat
I'm
serious.
A
A
Okay,
I
should
say
that
we
we
invited
questions
in
advance.
We
got
one
for
Michael
Richardson,
which
we
spoke
about
at
the
at
the
beginning
of
the
open
mic.
We
got
a
second
question
which
was
more
of
an
LLC
question,
so
we
redirected
it
over
to
Jay,
but
in
the
future
we
would
be
happy
to
receive
questions
in
advance
of
the
open
mic
as
well
and
with
that
I
think.
Oh,
we
have
Tony
buck
and
Q
go
ahead,
o
plus
1
or
plus
Q
Tony
I
thought.
N
It
would
be
different
just
to
say
it's:
it's
been
a
pleasure
to
be
here
and
involved
again
and
I
was
reflecting
I.
Think.
The
last
time
I
was
on
an
open
mic.
The
group
was
in
1994
is
the
eye
socket
of
director
trying
to
convince
ETF
to
have
a
relationship
with
the
ie
with
with
the
Internet
Society,
so
25
years
later,
things
have
changed
a
little
bit.
J
So
these
are
the
outgoing
IB
members,
so
you'll
notice.
This
is
a
very
large
crop.
I
think
this
is
an
entire
turnover
of
an
IEP
class,
which
is
an
unusual
thing.
I
just
wanted
to
reach
out
to
each
of
you
and
to
say
thank
you
for
your
service,
Kristin
wheat,
demo,
I
think
you,
you
were
with
us
a
fairly
short
period
of
time,
this
let's
go
round,
but
have
the
longest
history
in
the
IEP,
Eric
I
think
you're
the
longest
serving
of
this
of
this
particular
group
Melinda.
You
were
certainly
the
farthest
away.
A
So
this
is,
this
is
ELISA
Cooper
again
said
we're
not
going
to
just
let
you
recognize
yourself
so
I
just
wanted
to
also
say
a
huge
thank
you
to
you
said
has
been
the
I
be
chair
for
the
last
three
years,
which
is
actually
a
longer
tenure,
then
has
been,
has
been
standard
in
in
recent
times,
and
it's
a
difficult
job.
It's
a
it's
unrelenting
and
the
collection
of
tasks
involved
in
the
IAB
is
as
varied
and
can
incur.
A
R
R
That's
mainly
for
the
IB
who
selected
me,
but
also
to
the
community,
because
the
community
and
come
they
actually
gave
me
the
opportunity
to
go
directly
from
the
IHG
into
the
IAB,
which
is
already
right
where
and
then
it's
even
more
rare
and
to
start
as
the
IEP
chair
in
this
position.
The
reason
why
I'm
can
do
this
is
because
I
was
already
the
liaison
from
the
ISD
to
the
IEP,
so
I
at
least
know.
What's
going
on
and
I'm
confident
I
can
serve
in
this
position.
R
People
have
to
me
in
general,
so
in
with
that
in
mind,
I
basically
would
like
to
open
the
open
mic
and
I
think
we
have
another
slide
where
we
show
the
whole
set
of
IB
members
right
so,
as
I
said,
I
think
I'm
very
open
for
any
kind
of
feedback,
I
think
for
us
as
a
community
as
a
consensus
to
give
them
to
me
community.
It's
very
important
that
people
speak
up
and
say
their
opinion.
R
I
know
that
now
all
the
topics
are
always
interested
for
everybody,
but
especially
when
it's
processed
topics
or
these
kind
of
things.
But
you
know
if
you're
actually
actively
working
in
the
IETF.
You
should
care
about
it.
You
should
have
an
opinion
and
so
I'd
be
happy
to
take
some
questions.
We
have
on
the
open
mic
now
the
whole
incoming
and
outgoing
IEP,
and
we
also
have
John
Devine
here
as
the
temporary
RFC
series
managers.
Now,
if
you
have
questions
for
him
and
that
opens
the
open
mic.
N
Thank
you.
My
regards
to
Christian
past
his
old
home
in
the
Sophia
Antipolis
every
other
month,
going
to
Etsy
meetings,
which
gets
to
my
question.
Etsy
has
instituted
a
change
that
to
attract
diversity
and
more
people
by
creating
these
informal
groups
where
it
doesn't
actually
require
a
message.
Memberships.
In
some
ways,
it's
a
little
bit
like
the
ETF
I
was
wondering
whether
there
was
some
way,
the
IAB,
perhaps
or
another
appropriate
mechanism
to
get
more
collaboration
between
with
the
new.
R
N
N
Y
Nicola
sanski
I
have
a
couple
of
Model
T
program
which
I'm
a
part
of
which
I'm
very
we're
excited
about,
but
it's
an
IV
program
that
was
recently
set
up
and
I
was
just
curious
about
what
the
process
is
for
getting
that
program
up.
You
know,
and
they
were
then
and
if
you
need
to
be
on
the
IB,
to
get
an
IB
program
running
and
yeah
and
that's
all
I
just
wanted
to
ask
to
see
how
that
whole
process
works.
Thanks.
R
So
I
can
I
can
already
answer
part
of
your
question
and
there
will
be
other
IEP
members
who
are
more
in
touch
with
a
multi
program.
Who
can
give
you
more
information?
But
one
part
is
that
this
program
it
has
an
open
membership,
everybody
can
contribute
and
everybody
can
engage
in
the
discussion
and
it's
different
than
what
we
usually
have
as
programs,
but
there
is
also
a
discussion
ongoing
in
the
IEP
about
how
we
want
to
organize
programs
in
future.
For
this
program.
Z
Y
Actually
I'm
asking
about
like
future
IAB
programs
like
if,
let's
say,
I,
wanted
to
set
one
up
and
I'm
not
on
the
IB,
how
I
would
go
about
doing
that
or,
if
that's
even
a
possibility
in
terms
of
how
you
set
how
it's
set
up,
if
that
makes
sense,
I'm
not
talking
about
model
team
particular
because
I'm
excited
about
that
and
it's
moving
forward,
but
just
in
general
about
the
process.
Thanks,
okay,.
Z
M
Z
My
point
of
view,
if
somebody
has
an
interesting
thing,
that
they
wanted
to
talk
about,
I'll,
happily
talk
to
them
and
if
I
think
it
was
something
worth
bringing
up
with
the
idea.
I
would
do
that
and
then
the
ID
would
decide
to
pursue
it
or
not
so
I
guess
it's
it's
that
sort
of
semi
formal
thing:
that's
pretty
normal.
Maybe
other
people
want
to
answer,
but
that's
how
I
would
view
it.
R
Yeah
I
mean,
as
I
said
already,
the
idea
about
the
IB
programs
was
a
tool
to
help
the
IB
to
do
technical
work
and
have
discussion
with
not
only
IB
members
but
also
expert
expert
service.
What
side
the
IEP!
So
that's
the
whole
idea
about
it,
but,
as
I
said
already
we're
also
discussing
internally
how
we
want
to
organize
programs
and
future,
and
probably
there
will
be
a
change
in
the
next
coming
months
and
years.
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Yeah
this
is
your
asses
wanted
to
add
that
there's
some
difference
between
different
programs,
of
course,
that
some
like,
if
you're,
managing
your
relationship
somewhere,
maybe
a
little
bit
more
closed
nature.
But
when
it's
a
sort
of
a
broader
issue
in
the
internet
like
the
Model
T,
is
it's
one
example
of
that
and
Steve
and
I
at
least
felt
that
that's
it's
really
important
to
have
I
have
open
participation
and
community
engagement,
and
it
can,
of
course,
go
in
multiple
different
directions
that
somebody
can
get
excited
in
the
community
that
they
we
have
this
issue.
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P
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Hi
I'm
Simon
Hicks
I
just
wanted
to
note,
as
the
past
chairman
of
Etsy,
about
the
comment
on
Java
that
we're
not
a
regional
organization.
We
have
members
from
80
countries
of
the
world,
a
lot
of
which
are
outside
Europe.
Yes,
we
have
Europe
in
the
title
that
doesn't
make
us
a
regional
organization
we
operate
from
globally.
Thank
you.