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From YouTube: IETF109-IEPG-20201112-0100
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IEPG meeting session at IETF109
2020/11/12 0100
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/109/proceedings/
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Good
morning,
welcome
to
bangkok
everyone
this.
This
will
be
our
life,
for
you
know
the
next
week
and
a
half
as
we
participate
in
the
ietf
and
and
such
I'm.
I
I
have
to
apologize
to
jeff
because
I
think
he
has.
He
has
heard
this
one
before,
because
I
I
presented
it
elsewhere,
but
this
this
is
a
slightly
different
side
deck
than
what
I
did
there.
So
so
some
quick
background.
D
D
You
know
around
ann
arbor,
there's
the
usual.
You
know
development
that
happens
around
big
cities,
kind
of
on
the
outskirts,
the
suburbs
and
stuff
like
that-
and
you
know,
as
as
many
of
us
know,
broadband
what
has
was
evolving
in
the
late
90s
early
2000s,
for
what
technologies
were
available
as
cable
systems
went
two-way,
we
go
to
vdsl
services
and
everyone
starts
talking
about
fiber
to
cabinets
and
stuff
nearby
you,
but
nothing
actually
came
out
where
I
live
so
so
I
live
about
two
miles
away
from
existing
service
area.
D
You
know
that
subdivision
get
developed.
You
start
to
see
you
know.
Other
lands
and
properties
around
the
area
start
to
start
to
pick
up,
and
you
know
slowly,
you
have
things.
Fill
in.
You've
got
a
new.
You
know
a
new
grocery
store,
that's
out
in
the
area,
you
know
and
slow.
You
know
slowly,
but
surely
things
things
fill
in.
We
get
a
new
home
improvement
store
and
there's
a
little
there's,
a
new
subdivision
that
you
know
it
you
know
was
going
in
there.
D
You
know
kind
of
behind
the
new
home
improvement,
store,
etc,
just
going
back
through
the
the
imagery
and
stuff
so
I've.
I
I
have
this
problem.
I
work
in
the
internet
industry
and
I
have
no
high-speed
internet
available
in
the
us
if
you're
not
familiar
generally,
when
you
sell
a
home,
the
seller
pays
a
commission
based
on
you
know
how
much
you
sell
the
home
for
and
that
can
represent
a
significant
cost
to
move
your
house
and
effectively.
D
My
home
is
devalued
in
the
marketplace
talking
to
realtors,
because
there's
no
high-speed
internet
accessible.
So
what
do
I
do?
I
go
and
I
work
with
local
isp
a
little
wireless
isp
and
they
came
to
the
rescue
you
know
for
for
about
10
years
or
so
so
what
do
you
do?
How
do
you
solve
this
type
of
problem,
conflict,
etc?
So
I
actually
went
and
I
started
a
telco.
D
D
I
started
connecting
all
of
my
neighbors
to
fiber
to
my
house,
because
the
local
five
gigahertz
spectrum-
you
know,
as
everyone
is
upgrading
their
technologies
at
home,
that
started
to
cause
congestion
on
the
local.
You
know
on
the
local
wireless
that
was
providing
access
to
them
as
you're
doing
research.
You
find
your
access
costs
eventually
at
att
actually
rolled
into
the
dsl
in
my
area
and
for
forty
dollars
a
month.
I
can
get
speeds
up
to
1.5
megabits
per
second,
I
tried
to
reach
out
to
comcast
as
well.
D
Amongst
other
providers
that
are
available
and
comcast
was
actually
remarkably
the
easiest
service
provider
to
work
with
att.
You
couldn't
get
a
hold
of
anybody
there
to
have
them
understand
what
the
connectivity
was.
You
know
that
there
is
fiber
1200
feet
from
my
house
that
att
owns
and
actually,
as
far
as
I
know,
is
actually
connected
to
a
cell
tower
that
has
no
antennas
on
it,
so
is,
would
be
completely
available
to
be
used.
D
D
So
I
play
start
playing
around
with
technology.
I
play
around
with
active
ethernet
solutions.
I
actually
ended
up
buying
an
olt
for
doing
gpon
and
I
started
engaging
marketing
activities.
I
you
know,
joined
all
the
local
facebook
groups
and
talked
to
all
my
neighbors,
and
I
also
mailed
letters
to
all
the
potential
subscribers.
D
D
So
what
do
you
do?
You
got
to
put
your
money
where
your
mouth
is.
I
purchased
a
fusion
splicer
I
started
buying.
You
know
that
fiber
in
2017,
I
ended
up
buying
an
otdr
in
2018.
You
know
because
these
things
were
starting
to
come
down
and
be
affordable
enough,
that
you
could
actually
spend
some
money
on
them.
Get
the
technology.
Have
it
be
available
for
you
and
and
do
that.
I
also
then
started
going
in
working
with
people
to
get
design
prints.
All
you
know
all
done.
D
So
how
was
I
successful
at
doing
this?
Well,
I
started
off
spending.
You
know
small
amounts
of
money.
I
found
all
the
distributors,
you
know
I
went
and
I
I
pre-purchased
a
fair
amount
of
the
equipment
just
such
that
I
wasn't
taking
a
giant
financial
hit
all
at
once.
My
initial
planning
kind
of
I
came
back
and
had
estimates
of
this
is
going
to
be
a
sixty
thousand
dollar
project
it.
You
know
I
had
to
go
and
save
all
my
pennies.
D
So
I
actually
sat
down-
and
I
did
a
full
plan
of
what
the
monthly
operating
expenses
are,
how
much
it
would
cost
me
to
to
you
know
for
internet
access
along
the
way.
Look
at
every
single
month.
How
much
it's
gonna
cost
me.
You
know
for
repairs
for
insurance,
all
all
the
materials
and
everything
that
I
need
to
do
and
then
also
went
modeled.
How
many
customers
I
would
have-
and
I
slowly
revised
this
number
up
for
the
number
of
customers,
as
I
continue
to
get
more
people
to
commit
to
sign
up.
D
You
know
for
the
service
plan,
so
I
could
figure
out
okay
how's
this
going
to
work
out.
Am
I
going
to
actually
be
able
to
turn
a
profit
with
this?
How
much
is
my
monthly
operating
profit
going
to
be
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
and-
and
this
is
the
spreadsheet
that
I
used-
including
you
know,
putting
some
formulas
in
there
to
say?
Okay,
if
I
stop
growing
how
many
months
until
I
pay
off
that
initial
investment,
you
see
that
there
in
the
bottom
in
row,
38.
D
So
yeah,
I
spend
a
lot
of
time
with
this
spreadsheet,
really
trying
to
understand
what
my
costs
are.
You
know
what
what
all
those
things
were
and
really
forecast.
You
know
and
talk
to
a
number
of
different
service
providers
about
how
to
handle
things
like
disputes
refunds,
bad
debts
as
well.
As
you
know
whether
or
not
you
want
to
fire
customers.
I
I
talked
about
this
a
little
bit
already.
D
You
know
I
I
actually
worked
with
you
know
in
the
west.
I
actually
pre-wired
everybody
at
my
my
own
expense,
as
opposed
to
asking
him
to
do
that.
I
basically
said:
listen,
I'm
gonna
do
this,
and
after
all
of
that,
once
I
get
a
high-speed
connection
to
my
house,
all
these
people
become
my
customer
and
that
actually
worked
well
for
the
wireless
isp
as
well.
So
what
does
an
install
look
like
this?
D
Is
the
boxes
actually
put
on
the
outside
of
the
home
here
in
the
center
and
on
the
left
and
on
the
right
is
actually
where
I
have
a
the
24?
I
have
a
24
count:
fiber
cable,
that
comes
into
my
basement,
and
you
can
see
you
can
see
all
the
the
wipes
from
doing
the
splices
for
that.
That
apparently
were
on
the
floor
for
that
photo
again.
There
typical
customer
installation,
I'm
using
the
ubiquiti
u-fiber
instant
sfp.
I
put
that
in
the
microtech
media
converter.
D
I've
got
this
box
that
I
use
for
terminating
the
you
know.
The
the
splice
in
you've
got
an
armored
patch
cord
that
goes
between
the
two
boxes
and
you
run
power
ethernet
from
the
inside
to
the
outside
of
the
house,
and
this
is
nice
because
I
can
show
up
at
the
person's
home.
I
can
test
the
service
and
without
them
needing
to
be
there
and
do
troubleshooting
and
other
work,
because
that
you
know
I'm
a
telco.
I
don't
want
to
have
to
do
stuff
on
the
customer's
schedule.
D
D
So
what
does
it
look
like
you
go
you
see
all
these
construction
supplies
that
you
get
from
your
distributors,
I'll
tell
you.
Nothing
is
funnier
than
showing
up
in
a
prius
to
pick
up
a
bunch
of
these
materials.
You
know
from
the
you
know
from
the
place.
You
start
digging
and
drilling.
You
know
under
driveways,
and
you
know
burying
burying
all
these
things
lots
and
lots
and
lots
of
fun
for
the
customer
acquisition.
D
I
used
this
this
tool
that
my
county
has
available
called
map
washington,
I'm
in
washington,
county
in
michigan.
You
can
look
at
all
the
property
shapes
get
the
owner
names
and
how
I
signed
everybody
up.
I
sent
them
a
letter
on
paper
in
the
in
the
mail
that
actually
worked
remarkably
well.
I
actually
just
yesterday
hooked
up
one
of
the
people
who
was
who,
when
he
received
the
letter
he
said,
is
this
a
scam?
He
called
me
on
the
phone
and
said:
is
this
a
scam?
D
It
was
very
funny
conversation
I'm
like
yes,
I'm
gonna
tell
you
it's
a
scam
over
the
phone
that
I'm
trying
to
scam
you
to
get
internet
access.
He
was
very
happy
once
he
got
hooked
up
the
very
next
day
he
started
pulling
50
megs
continuous,
because
I
try
to
keep
an
eye
on
people
when
they,
when
they
get
first
hooked
up
and
make
sure
it
works
smoothly,
and
you
can
tell
because
he
was
using
dsl
and
satellite
as
backup
for
that.
D
You
know
here
in
what
is
seemingly
a
very
urban
area,
or
you
know
somewhat
urban,
somewhat
urban
area
very
nearby,
plus
the
thing
the
thing
about
his
house.
That's
interesting
is
there's
actually
fiber
in
front
of
his
house
on
poles,
which
is
just
one
of
those
things
that
you
know
boggles
your
mind
is
that
I
I
have
in
one
spot
right
next
to
a
farm
field.
There
is
my
fiber
that
crosses
two
other
people's
fiber
out
out
in
the
middle
in
this
farm
field,
because
it
goes
to
a
cell
tower.
D
So
you
mail
out
these
letters.
I
got
invited
to
one
of
the
neighborhood
association
meetings.
Once
construction
started,
I
sent
out
more
letters,
more
people
signed
up
and
ultimately
about
70
of
the
homes
signed
up
that
I
passed
I
was
projecting.
It
was
going
to
be
about
35
is
how
I
did
my
initial
financial
model
to
to
see.
You
know
what
it
would
take
to
do
this
so
internet
access-
I
I
I
originally
went
and
talked
to
you
know
a
number
of
different
companies.
D
One
of
them
is
one
two
three
net
because
of
all
the
excitement
of
covid
this
year
they
actually
were
delayed
and
getting
these
services
and
acdnet
who
I
had
talked
to
as
well.
They
called
me
back
in
in
the
beginning
of
march,
and
so
I
had
started
construction
and
I
didn't
yet
actually
have
my
internet
access
fully
lined
up
and
ac
and
acd
was
able
to
actually
give
me
fiber
access,
exactly
where
I
wanted,
which
is
you
know
very
important.
They
are
still
I'm
still
waiting.
D
I
was
told
within
the
next
two
weeks
I'm
actually
going
to
get
v6
from
them.
They
they
have
to
go
through
and
actually
enable
it
on
their
network
because
they
don't
actually
have
it.
It
have
it
and
that's
that's
something
important,
but
you
know
with
aaron.
You
can
apply
for
ipv6
space
for
your
service
provider.
Once
you
have
v6
space,
you
can
actually
apply
for
ipv4
space.
So,
despite
the
fact
that
there's
a
run
out
of
address
space,
you
know,
I
think
everybody
is
well
aware
of
that.
D
D
So
this
is
what
the
project
picture
ultimately
looks
like
once
you
once
you
turn
into
plans,
spent
lots
of
time
doing
that,
and
you
can
see
some
of
the
shapes
started
to
get
filled
in
further
to
the
west
there,
as
more
people
signed
up
along
the
way
I
had
to
hire
contractors,
I
had
to
maintain
a
good
working
relationship
with
them.
I
I
would
you
know
one
day
a
week.
I
would
actually
buy
them
food
to
keep
them
happy
and
working.
D
Otherwise
there
were
these
three
brothers
and
you
know
one
of
them
or
the
other
one
would
get
like
hangry
with
the
others,
and
I
had
lots
of
little
issues
I
had
to
resolve
along
the
way
you
know-
and
you
know,
if
you're
gonna
hire
a
contractor
to
do
a
big
project
like
this.
You
really
need
to
have
policies
around
things
like
social
media
posts
and
stuff,
like
that,
you
know
and
make
sure
they
have
all
the
right
equipment.
D
D
There
is
an
18-inch
natural
gas
pipeline
actually
at
the
end
of
my
road
that
runs
kind
of
at
an
angle
behind
my
property,
and
so
this
is
them
using
basically
a
a
giant
shop
vac,
and
then
you
use
a
pressure,
washer
type
thing
to
actually
spray
the
dirt,
and
then
you
suck
it
up.
You
know
with
basically
this
industrial
shop
vac
to
to
get
so.
D
You
can
actually
find
the
utilities
underground,
so
you
don't
board
through
an
18-inch
pipeline
and
cause
a
big
mess,
so
you're
doing
a
big
project
like
this
you're
absolutely
going
to
have
problems.
I
call
this
the
cursed
corner,
because
every
time
you
would
phone
in
to
8-1-1
and
say
hey,
I
need
you
to
mark
this.
They
never
marked
it
twice
the
same
way
they
would.
They
would
mark
the
fiber
as
the
gas.
D
D
D
Here's
some
photos
of
the
equipment
and
you
can
see
you
know
the
the
machine
for
bearing
the
cable.
It's
got
a
chute
there,
and
so
you
just
drive
along
in
the
ground.
It
vibrates
and
it
just
buries
the
cable.
As
it
goes
it's
you
know,
it
works
remarkably
well,
but
sometimes
when
you
have
equipment
bad
things
happen,
so
the
cable
plow
actually
was
stolen.
It
ended
up
for
sale
on
in
facebook
marketplace.
D
I
I
blurred
out
the
guy's
name,
who
was
selling
it
and
other
stuff,
but
it
turned
up.
You
know
I'm
in
another
michigan
it
turned
up
in
chicago
for
sale
as
you
can
see
in
aurora
illinois,
and
then
this
photo
that
I
have
here
on
the
left
it
shows
in
the
spring,
when
I
was
pulling
some
of
the
conduit
out
of
my
yard.
D
D
We
did
have
it
staked,
but
we
didn't
have
it
staked
at
sufficient
intervals
for
them
to
make
the
guy
happy,
and
so
so
he
came
out
and
and
stopped
that
also
we
notified
them
when
we
were
starting
the
project,
but
they
wanted
to
be
notified
every
48
hours
prior
to
a
work
crew
being
on
site
that
was
going
to
work
on
the
project,
so
they
could
do
drive-by
inspections,
so
that
was
part
of
my
unbudgeted
cost.
You
know
when
you're
doing
a
big
project.
D
You've
got
that
so
that
was
another
five
thousand
dollars
for
that.
I
had
to
go
and
put
wire
in
the
conduit
to
get
them
to
say
was
okay
for
us
to
resume.
They
want
to
know
how
deep
it
was
and
all
that
stuff
I
had
to
spend
1500
bucks
on
a
water
meter
hydrant
like
a
hydrant
hookup,
to
go
and
make
it
such
that
they
could.
You
know,
do
all
the
the
boring
with
the
with
nice
clean
water.
D
I,
and
I
also
printed
up
employee
badges
for
myself
and
my
kids
and
stuff
for
that.
The
other
thing
that
happens
is
you
know.
Everyone
makes
jokes
about
people
hitting
the
fiber
that
it's.
You
know
that
it's
buried
or
whatever.
Quite
often,
these
things
are
not
marked
well
or
they
just
they
maybe
mark
the
main
line,
but
they
don't
actually
mark
the
service
drop
that
goes
up
to
somebody's
house
and
so
and
and
they're
often
not
even
buried
deep.
D
You
can
see
here
this
one
was
about
four
inches
deep
below
the
below
that
as
well.
As
you
know,
I
have
this
conduit
that
got
hit,
which
was
actually
part
of
my
own
part
of
the
conduit
that
my
contractor
actually
installed
as
well.
They
got
it
wrapped
around
stuff,
so
sometimes
you
even
hit
your
own
stuff,
even
as
you're
installing
it.
D
So
if
you
don't
know
to
install
fiber,
you
generally
blow
it
in
with
a
giant
industrial
air.
Compressor
I'll
tell
you
something
this
this
reel
of
fiber
here
on
the
left.
It
was
20
000
feet
of
fiber,
so
just
you
know
I
would
say
about
four
miles
or
so
that
all
got
pulled
off
by
hand
off
that
reel,
and
so
you
know
when
you
realize
that
you've
done.
D
D
So
as
part
of
this,
I
actually
built
my
own
fiber
blower
out
of
parts
available
at
your
local
hardware
store
for
the
most
part,
except
for
this
chicago
fitting
that
goes
on
the
industrial
air
compressor
hose.
I
actually
blew
2700
feet,
you
know
without
issue.
It
took
me
a
long
time
to
get
this
working
just
right.
You
know
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
trying
to
put
put
stuff
in
the
conduit.
It
didn't
quite
work
right
and
I
would
go
and
consult
with
the
various
experts
at
the
other
isps
about
hey.
D
How
do
you
do
this?
How
does
this
work
out?
And
you
know
it's-
it-
took
a
it's
about
a
15.
You
know
I'll,
say
15
000,
foot,
project
that
we
did
and
the
you
know
it
took
a
whole
bunch
of
days
to
of
renting
that
machine
to
get.
You
know
the
first
7
500
feet
in.
We
got
the
last
7
500
feet
in
in
20
in
less
than
24
hours,
which
was
really
amazing.
D
D
I've
got
fiber
going
north,
south
and
east
here
at
this
intersection,
plus
the
homes
on
each
side
are
hooked
up,
and
so
you
get
out,
and
you
start
sitting
on
buckets
on
the
side
of
the
road
trying
to
piece
stuff
together,
because
I
I
don't
have
a
fancy,
splice,
trailer
and
stuff
once
you
have
it
all
together
if
you've
never
seen
an
otdr
trace.
This
is
what
one
looks
like
and
you
can
see
kind
of
each
each
place
along
the
way
where
I
did
a
bad
splice.
D
D
I
have
this
older
splicer,
that's
I
have
to
manually
align
the
fibers
each
time
and
I
also
need
to
go
and
upgrade
my
otdr,
because
it's
you
know
it's
an
older
one
that
I
have
there.
So
I've
been
in
this
industry
for
a
long
time.
I
have
a
scheduled
install
date.
I
know
what
doing
I'm
totally
going
to
do
this
right.
D
He
delivered
a
10.
The
10
gig
object
to
my
house
for
what
I
was
supposed
to
be
doing.
He
actually
handed
me
a
10
gig
lr,
which
is
like
a
10
kilometer
reach,
but
it
was
you
know,
it's
not
dwdm
and
it's
not
the
80
kilometers
that
needs
to
be.
I
also
had
the
carrier
wanted
to
give
me
like
a
really
big,
switch
and
say
hey.
I
want
to
give
you
this
cpe.
D
I
want
to
give
you
a
6500
if
you've
never
seen
one
of
those,
I
think
you
know
a
quarter
rack
a
half
rack
piece
of
equipment.
I
pleaded
with
them.
I
said
no,
it's
my
house.
I
really
don't
want
to
have
like
a
2
kw
base
load
added
to
my
house
and
I
don't
want
to
add.
Add
additional
power
drops,
so
it's
a
friday
night.
What
what
are
you
supposed
to
do?
D
I
go.
I
I
end
up
ultimately
talking
to
this
tech
who's.
Just
amazing.
You
know
I
met
him
friday
night
at
7,
00
pm.
I
had
to
drive
an
hour
to
get
up
to
there.
I
gave
them
back
their
their
optic.
He
gave
me
a
one.
Gig
optic
visited
a
friend
up
there
in
lansing,
I
drove
home,
I
plugged
in
the
optic
and
all
of
a
sudden
boom.
My
lint
king
comes
up
so
looking
at
you
know
stuff.
D
Before
on
my
wireless
connection,
I've
got
about
a
30
millisecond
latency
to
my
server
in
chicago
afterwards,
I'm
about
eight
and
a
half
milliseconds,
really
big
difference.
You
know
you,
you
put
together
your
trace
routes,
all
all
the
good
things
you
want
this.
This
is
from
my
smoke
ping.
This
shows
kind
of
the
visual
reduction
of
the
latency
and
all
that.
So
what
am
I
supposed
to
do?
D
I
was
expecting
to
get
this
10
gig
link
it's
a
one
gig
they
haven't
set
up
bgp,
yet
you
know
I'm
already
on
plan
b
or
c
or
d
or
something
now.
So
I
end
up
taking
the
one
gig
dwdm
optic,
I
put
it
in
this
edge
router
x,
sfp.
It
can
totally
do
nat.
I
wasn't
expecting
to
do
10
gigs
of
traffic
immediately
anyways.
You
know
it's
really.
D
You
know
I
signed
a
multi-year
contract
for
for
access,
so
I
I
wanna
I
wanted
to
have
it
be
easy
to
upgrade
without
having
to
take
everything
down.
So
I
drop
that
thing
in
I
flip
over
my
default
route
onto
this
new
path.
I
knock
to
the
win
ip
because
I'm
not
routing
my
ip
space
yet
and
then,
when
you
do,
you
run
a
speech
test,
and
this
is
you
know,
I
say
slide
to
make
dave
happy
because
dave
there's
this
guy
dave
tempkin
who
works
at
at
netflix.
D
So
I've
got
all
my
neighbors
pre-wired.
You
know
juicy
agreement
with
the
wisp
I
go.
I
take
that.
I
remove
all
the
rate
limiters
under
service.
I
send
them
a
text
message
they're,
like
yowza,
you
know
so
eventually
we
get
the
optics
swapped
we
get
the
attenuator,
you
know,
removed.
We
get
btp
up
and
everything
else.
So
I've
got
people.
I
started
to
wire
them
up
in
the
spring.
Some
of
them
were
connected
in
late
august
or
early
september.
D
You
know
I
paused
the
installations
for
you
know
in
september,
because
my
wife
had
surgery.
I
also
I
also
stopped
doing
some
installs,
because
I
got
tired
of
cutting
people's
dsl
lines
because
att's
contractor
wouldn't
mark
you
know
I
wouldn't
mark
them
all
correctly,
and
you
know
it
feels
really
bad
taking
down
people's
service.
D
So
what
what
it
cost?
You
know
I
spent
about
95
000,
you
know
for
my
contractor,
just
for
labor.
You
know
I've
had
you
know
about
32
000
of
stuff.
You
know
I
I
don't
know
it
is.
You
know
it's
pretty
expensive.
It's
probably
still
cheaper
than
moving.
Maybe,
but
you
know
I
have
fiber,
I
don't
have
to
fix
up
the
house
to
make
it
sealable.
D
So
I
didn't
update
this
one,
but
I
have
I've
got
about
27
customers
online.
Now
the
wireless
isp
he's
connected
he's
connected
to
me.
I
actually
have,
I
think,
11
people
who
I'm
working
on
installing
right
now
still
still
left
over,
but
I'm
I
I've
actually
had
two
more
people
sign
up,
as
I
was
doing
work
out
in
front
of
their
homes
recently,
but
I'm
trying
to
I'm
trying
to
get
all
these
people.
You
know
connected.
So
what's?
D
What's
it
you
look
like
network
usage,
it's
you
know
about
five
megabits,
a
subscriber
the
thing
that's
a
little
bit
tricky
here.
Is
this
actually
factors
in
the
width
as
well?
Who
has
about
you
know
two
dozen
customers
downstream
for
his
port?
Where
he's
sending
me
traffic
as
well,
but
it's
it's
still
kind
of
a
reasonable
number.
D
You
should
totally
do
this.
You
know
I
have
friends
who
come
out
and
would
help
me.
You
know
due
to
the
covet
times
they
you
know.
Some
of
them
were
just
like
yeah
I'll
totally
come
out
help
you
help
you
pull
fiber
push
fiber
below
fiber,
you
know
whatever,
and
and
they
really
helped
out,
there's
some
cool
facebook
groups.
You
know
for
for
other
people
operator
types
where
they
actually
talk
about.
D
B
D
It's
definitely
more
work
than
I
expected,
but
it
was.
I
think
it
was
very
rewarding
work
that
that
is
some.
That
is
something
you
know.
I
had
to
leave
a
meeting
when
when
we
got
the
stop
work
order,
I
had
to
leave
a
meeting.
I
was
in
with
finance
and
my
vp
to
go
out
and
deal
with
the
situation
that
was
emerging
on
the
road
nearby
me
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
there's
a
lot
of
sacrifices
that
had
to
be
made
in
order
to
make
this
possible.
D
I
I
think
it's
something
where
it
takes
a
lot
of
skills
to
piece
all
this
together,
I'm
blessed
that
I
was
able
to
piece
this
together
for
a
lot
of
these
people
and
make
it
possible
for
them
to
to
work
from
home,
including
I
have
a
principal
who
lives
on
my
street,
and
I
have
a
teacher
who
lives
on
my
street
and
so
they've
been
able
to
to
do
things
from
home,
especially
as
school
started
rituals.
So
so
that,
for
me,
is
really,
I
think,
the
the
big
rewarding
piece
from
doing
this.
D
D
B
D
D
Oh
we're,
actually
just
gonna
like
take
this
as
a
blessing,
and
you
know
and
and
go
out-
and
you
know,
go
out
of
town
for
a
few
days,
and
so
you
know
it's
I
I
now
have
all
the
you
know.
I
have
all
the
proper
repair
equipment,
so
I
can
go
out
and
you
know
and
fix
stuff
and
dig
up
and
kind
of
add
a
section,
but
you
know
it's
for
the
most
part.
Once
it's
in
the
ground
it
it
doesn't
get
dug
up.
D
That's
why
a
lot
of
the
people
put
the
stuff
in
you
know
in
the
ground,
and
at
least
around
here
like
this,
is
on
a
main
road
that
I
drive
past
every
single
day.
So
if
somebody's
gonna
be
out
digging
on
it,
I'm
gonna
see
it.
You
know
and
and
all
my
stuff
is
protected
in
conduit,
so
they
really
gotta,
be
you
know
it's
it's
down.
The
contractor,
put
it
down
six
feet
deep
in
some
places
and
it's
deeper
than
that.
D
E
D
So
so
it
it's
actually
even
worse
than
that
in
some
ways.
So
because
I'm
a
member
of
the
8-1-1
system,
I
actually
I
have
obligations
under
there
to
go
out
and
mark
my
fiber
as
a
pro.
You
know
if
somebody
is
going
to
go
dig
and
the
way
you
do
that.
The
way
you
do
that,
if
you
upload
a
shape
file
or
you
upload,
a
html
that
can
now
do
kml's
and
you
upload
that
same.
D
D
So
I
have
I've,
helped
out
the
existing
wireless
isp
for
the
past
10
years
off
and
on
with
his
stuff
and
he's
basically
signed
up
to
help
do
repairs
and
stuff
when,
when
I'm
out
of
town,
I
as
I've
done
for
him
when
he's
been
out
of
town
traveling,
for
you
know
on
family
vacations
or
otherwise,
but
yeah.
It's
it's
a
big
obligation.
E
D
B
D
Yeah,
I
can
absolutely
respond
to
this
one,
so
this
is
actually
a
profitable
project
like
I
am.
I
am
bringing
in
positive
cash
flow
every
month
from
doing
this
project.
So
so
so
just
question
sorry
jeff's
question:
is
you
know?
Why
do
I
think
it's
viable
for
me
to
do
this,
because
I
I
can
actually
buy
wholesale
internet
for
a
reasonable
price.
You
know
up
up
at
the
corner.
D
There
is
fiber
in
you
know,
in
front
of
their
house
or
within
you
know
a
quarter
of
a
mile,
and
that,
I
think,
is
the
thing.
That's
really
amazing.
Is
you
have
att
in
the
us
who
basically
has
said
we're?
No
we're
discontinuing
our
traditional
dsl
service.
You
have
to
be
able
to
be
on
the
high
speed
like
the
vdsl.
D
D
Investment
so
just
responding
to
jeff.
You
know
if
it's
viable
for
me,
why
isn't
it
viable
for
them?
It's
it's
that
you
know,
like.
I
said,
I'm
willing
to
take
a
42
month,
roi
on
my
initial
investment.
I
also
put
a
lot
of
sweat
equity
into
there,
where,
if
I
had
out
some
of
it,
if
I
had
outsourced
it,
it
would
have
actually
cost
me
the
same
or
less.
D
D
D
Even
if
the
conduit
has
water
in
it,
it
has
an
outer
buffer.
You
know
it
has
outer
protective
jacket.
It's
got
two,
it's
got
strength,
members
fiberglass
strength,
members
that
can
be
compacted,
and
then
it
has
the
inner
buffer
tube,
which
also
could
be
compacted
on
top
of
that.
So,
even
if
it
goes
through
a
freeze
cycle,
it
is
relatively
unlikely
that
it's
going
to
be
damaged
and
even
if
it,
even
if
that
happens
through
the
entire
project,
I
actually
pulled
two
conduits,
because
it
was
only
the
materials
plus.
D
D
So,
what's
funny
is
aside
from
the
large
incumbents,
like
att
and
comcast
in
my
area,
I'm
actually
the
largest
I'm
the
largest
independent
fire
to
the
home
provider
in
my
county
at
having
you
know,
20
some
subscribers
or
yes,
yes,
and
it's
almost
30
now
you
know
having
20
some
subscribers
signed
up
and
so
to
to
get
enough
customers
to
be
financially
independent.
I
I
have
this
problem
of
my
day.
D
D
D
D
D
So
I
don't
know
how
many
people
remember
august
30th
we
had
as209
well
the
legacy
quest
asm
now
centurylink,
it's
got
parts,
you
know
level
three
global
crossing.
All
these
people
who've
been
all
rolled
together.
You
know
into
into
a
big
network,
and
so
I
I
wanted
to
you
know
one
of
the
things
I
regularly
do
is
I
look
at
you
know
the
route
views
bgp,
update
data
and
I
look
for
ways
to
identify
events
and
what
I
did
is.
I
ended
up.
D
Writing
writing
some
code
to
process
the
bgp
data
now,
because
what
what
happened
during
that
event,
or
apparently
happened
during
that
event,
is
they
sort
of
stopped
processing
bgp
withdrawals?
They
would
still
advertise
routes
for
which
they
didn't
have
reachability
you
know,
and
and
and
that
that
is
a
very
interesting
event
in
and
of
itself.
D
So
so
I
went
and
I
took
some
data
and
I
kind
of
poked
through
that
and
came
up
with
this
metric
of
you
know.
You
measure
the
number
of
announced
routes
divided
by
the
withdrawn
routes
over
the
time
period,
so
the
route
view
state
the
routeview's
mrt
data
has
information
about
what
the
pure
dsn
is
and
stuff,
and
I
and
I
took
this-
that
all
this
data
and
I
bucketed
it
into
six
segment
intervals,
so
you
know
a
tenth
of
a
minute
and
I
kept
track
of
the
global
measurement.
D
So
all
of
the
data
you
know
through
all
of
the
the
peers
for
that
that
time
window
for
that
data
file,
as
well
as
the
per
asn
data,
and
so
when
you
go
and
you
look
at
a
day
like
like
the
the
30th
of
august,
you
actually
end
up
with
something
like
this
and
you
can
actually
see
in
this
graph
and
this
you
know
my
graphana
is
set
up
to.
It
shows
me
data
in
my
local
time
zone.
D
So
if
you
kind
of
click
through
this
link
because
the
slides
should
be
online,
you
should
be
able
to
go
and
see
this.
You
can
actually
see
the
time
period
where
the
service
provider
said
hey
we're
going
to
deep
here.
You
know
the
the
209
network
and
you
can
see
this
view
from
behind
ntt,
which
is
the
classic
network
that
I
pick
on,
for
hopefully
obvious
reasons,
and
so
pretty
please
be
very
nice
to
this
machine.
D
It
is
an
intel
nuke
sitting
downstairs
in
my
basement
and
please
and
I
loaded
all
of
the
route
views
data
that
is
available
for
the
bgp
updates.
You
know
all
the
way
back
to,
I
think
it
was
2000
or
something
is,
is
when
it's
there.
I
have
the
data
in
influx.
If
you,
if
somebody
wants
to
get
a
replicated
feed
of
it,
I'm
happy
to
to
go
and
do
that,
but
I
went
back
and
I
and
it
took
a
couple
weeks
to
do
this.
D
D
Hopefully
this
does
the
right
thing:
yep
it
does,
and
so
this
is
actually
the
day
of
of
that
event,
and
like
I
said
this,
is
you
know
in
my
local
time
zone
and
what
you
can
actually
see
is
the
network
impact
for
these
different
as's
and
so
for
some
of
them.
You
know
you
can
see,
you
know,
here's
the
2914
one
which
looks
kind
of
interesting.
You
know,
because,
obviously
you
have
this
period.
Where
there's
an
instability,
you
can
see
it
in
the
graph
and
then
you
have
this
quiet.
D
D
You
know:
can
you
measure
these
and
figure
out?
Okay,
which
providers
are
either
originating
this
instability
or
which
ones
are
severely
impacted
by
external
instability,
and
so
this
this
provider?
You
can
actually
look
at
what
what
was
seen
by
their
asm
and
you
can
actually
see
they
were
severely
impacted
during
this
entire
time
period
by
the
instability
that
was
globally
visible.
You
can
see
it
during
the
event.
You
can
see
the
portions
where
either
they
disconnected
or
tried
to
disconnect
when
they
reconnected.
D
You
can
see
basically
these
very
clear
lines
when
you
graph
them
with
the
before
and
after
period,
and
so
I
wanted
to
do
this
to
go
and
find
all
sorts
of
other
events
that
that
may
be
interesting.
So
hopefully
you
guys
didn't.
I
see
it's
not
loading.
Hopefully
you
guys
didn't,
kill,
kill
the
machine
but
you're,
like
I
said,
you're
kind
of
welcome
to
poke
around
in
there
and
if
you
want,
you
know,
I
figure.
Some
people
like
jeff
are
probably
already
in
there
poking
around
and
you
can.
D
You
can
go
and
look
at
specific
time
ranges
and
kind
of
pick
out.
You
know,
okay,
this.
This
is
when
something
happened.
So
when
we
pick,
I
think
you
know
tata
and
talia
have
had
different
events
in
the
past
two
years
and
they
really
stand
out
on
these
graphs.
But
I
didn't
I
didn't
have
enough
time
in
between
you
know
my
day,
job
and
my
night
job
and
you
know
everything
else,
to
kind
of
put
together
any
better
slides
on
this
or
present
some
more
of
the
the
data
of
the
events.
B
I
suspect
people
are
clicking
around
on
all
the
pretty
chats
and
graphs
and
stuff
the
moment,
so
we
do
actually
have
another
surprise
presentation
from
randy
and
we
will
let
him
take
that
away.
Thank
you
very
much
jerry,
I'm
assuming
you
will
still
be
around
if
people
want
to
put
questions
in
the
chat
excellent.
F
B
F
F
F
C
B
B
B
So,
while
randy's
redoing
stuff
so
yeah
for
my
carrying
on
for
my
earlier
thing
yeah,
I
know
that
you
count
as
a
a
telco
just
when
some
friends
and
I
had
started
looking
our
local
cable
provider
started,
making
all
sorts
of
you
know.
We
will
create
legal
entertainment
for
you,
excitement
and
you
know
make
sure
that
you
have
lawyers
ready.
So
when
we
drag
you
in
front
of
of
various,
it
was
fairly
clear.
It
was
just
harassment,
type,
tech,
behavior.
D
B
B
B
B
F
B
B
B
F
F
F
F
F
F
See
if
this
works
so
geolocation
ip
number,
everybody
has
to
live
and
die
with
it.
You
have
to
deal
with
country,
regulations,
localized
content
and
all
that
stuff
and
even
researchers
like
it
who's
actually
providing
those
services.
Here's
a
whole
list
of
people
providing
geolocation
services.
In
other
words,
I
can
take
an
ip
address
and
ask
them
where
it
is,
and
they
will
come
up
with
a
guess
and
if
your
data
incorrect,
you
have
to
contact
every
one
of
them
and
every
three
days
on
that,
we
see
somebody
writing
all.
F
F
So
it's
immense.
So
how
do
they
do
it?
How
do
the
geolocation
providers
do
it?
They
use?
Who
is
data
mostly,
but
also
dns,
is
strange
magic
but
warren
and
eric
and
a
couple
others
wrote
8805,
which
has
this
thing
called
the
geofeeds
file
and
that
lets
you
take
an
address
and
break
it
to
an
address
range,
a
prefix
and
break
it
down
by
country
and
state
and
city
and
that
kind
of
stuff,
and
that's
in
rfc,
8805,
oops,
sorry,
so
the
format
for
self-published,
in
other
words,
I'm
an
isp.
F
I
should
publish
where
all
my
garbage
is
only
if
I
want
to
publish
it
and
I
can
geo
locate,
single,
ips,
prefixes,
etc.
Longest
prefix
matches
the
game
as
always,
and
you
can
go
down
to
the
city
level.
I
gather
they
decided
not
to
go
to
finer
because
in
some
locations
finer
would
actually
break
privacy
because
you
know
there's
only
one
person
on
the
block,
so
many
geolocation
providers
already
use
geofeed
files.
In
other
words,
they
accept
them
from
you.
F
F
F
So
what's
cool,
though
there's
a
dirty
trick
going
on
here
is
the
rir's
who
is
lookups
if,
given
an
address,
give
you
the
closest
surrounding
eyelid,
covering
ein
hydna
magically
okay.
So
somebody
suggested
why
not
use
dns
for
this,
because
there's
not
that
kind
of
resolution,
there's
not
that
search
and
the
rir's
magically
do
this
for
you,
okay,
and
so
it
finds
the
nearest
covering
eye
nit
numb
for
a
particular
query.
F
Geofeed
files
have
scope
you'll
notice.
This
geoff
file
has
at
least
four
ranges
in
it.
Okay,
four
eye
net
numbers
can
point
into
it
and
when,
following
that,
idit
number
you
use
the
longest
match
and
only
what
is
covered
by
it.
So,
if
you're
coming
in
for
the
inet
num
for
147.28
yada
yada,
you
don't
look
at
the
others,
because
they're
not
authoritative,
okay,
so
I
get
numbs.
F
F
If
the
file
is
not
signed
and
we're
going
to
learn
about
signing
in
a
minute,
please
serve
the
gfe
data
over
https
and
if
the
geo
feed
data
were
pointed
to
by
the
owners,
I
needed
them
and
if
you
believe,
they're
strengthening
it
once
authentication,
then
you
have
some
confidence
in
the
geofeed's.
Authenticity
who
is,
let's
say,
varies
in
quality.
F
F
The
signature
is
a
strong
signature,
just
glow
up
at
the
bottom
of
the
file.
You
can
see
it
so,
but
when
this
happens,
that
file
cannot
be
pointed
to
by
multiple
eye
net
numbers
for
different
ranges,
because
the
signature
is
only
good
for
that
range.
Okay,
so
this
looks
painful,
but
it
isn't.
You
can
parse
bulk.
Who
is
data?
It's
publicly
available,
so
you
don't
have
to
do
all
these.
Who
is
queries
even
aaron?
Has
it
partially
available?
F
F
B
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
B
Yep,
I
think
so
thank
you
for
being
willing
to
do
this
at
short
notice.
Sorry,
for
the
sloppiness,
I
would
totally
unprepared
you
rehearsed,
no
worries,
sorry
about
the
entertainment
worth
trying
to
make
big
sharing
work.
I
don't
know
if
anybody's
got
any
other
questions,
but
if
not,
we
will
call
this
done
for
now.
Thank
you.
Everyone.
I
think
we're.
B
Yep,
I
think
we're
all
looking
forward
to
being
able
to
see
everybody
in
person
again,
unfortunately
not
in
prague,
but
possibly
in
san
francisco,
I
think,
is
what
the
next
one's
scheduled
for.
I
believe
that
there
will
be
a
recording
of
this
later
and,
if
anybody's
got
any
other
last
questions.
Thank
you
very
much
and
good
night
or
good
morning
or
good
afternoon.