Internet Engineering Task Force 113, 23 Mar 2022

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The plenary session at IETF 113 will be held at 1600 UTC on 23 March 2022. The plenary session at IETF 113 will provide the usual updates on various administrative and operational topics.

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It is the mic on its own. uh Please please come in and take a seat and the mic is really on. uh Welcome everybody, um woo yeah, my name is liz eckhart. I chaired the ihf since a year ago, it's very very nice to see all of you here in person. It really feels like an itf meeting, although, as you probably can realize we're not quite at the usual bench things, but um it does feel really good. It really feels like it's been a long time.

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It's been way too long, and I also hope the remote participants will have a chance to join us again at some time in the future, hopefully in philadelphia or in london later in the year or at any other time, and we're also hoping that the improvements we made to the tooling for remote participation because of corona will have a lasting impact uh that will open up the organization to more participants in into the future, because I really think um we're not gonna go back to the old style meeting for a while, um and it's also so it's exciting to be here in person.

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It's also quite sad, and I'm pretty emotional about this, so I'm struggling a little bit here, but you know it's been sad because, obviously, because of covet, we haven't really been able to meet um for a long time and some people had some extremely challenging years um and it remains an ongoing concern for many of us, um but also walking around the city right.

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You can't miss the signs that a war is going on right now and it's a tragedy and the war in ukraine feels very personal, because we know that some of our friends and families and colleagues are directly affected and the personal safety and security is at stake and their lives are in peril.

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So we worry about the safety of our ukrainian colleagues and their families and being so directly impacted, makes it difficult to concentrate on the work of the itf, which is making the internet work better, and I personally sort of believe the inner is fundamentally about connecting people, and I can take some little bit of comfort because I choose to believe that doing so will hopefully allow us in the future to avoid needless wars.

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That said, um some things never change, and you can take a great comfort that the note well slide remains as unreadable as it has been for decades now. So, if you're new to the organization, this is what we require of you as participants.

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Please try and read it. It's not very easy, but um you should be familiar with it by now,.

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There are some tips on how to participate here um when you join me, echo, which is the tool we're using for displenary, your audio will be muted, your video will be off and when you like to speak from the floor- or I guess up on stage, um please unmute yourself um when you are recognized in the queue and we ask you to share your video if you feel comfortable doing so, because it makes it a bit more personal, and if you have a headset, please use it.

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It makes a big difference and there's a lot of other helpful tips that you can follow. If you choose to do so.

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um The agenda is very generic.

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I'm struggling through my welcome address. So thank you for what very much for bearing with me and we're gonna have a brief update from our host huawei, um who graciously and even though we moved the meeting out of bangkok and to vienna, have upheld their commitment to supporting us. So thank you very much for that.

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We're going to have brief updates from me about the istf on the isg.

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I asked robert from the tools team to talk a little bit about the recent move to github for some of our made tools which will allow people to help with improving them much more directly than was possible in the past.

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Miria is going to give a brief update from the iab colin is going to be going to give a brief update from the irtf jay and jason are going to talk about the itf, llc and glenn is going to talk about the trust um we have to have the usual recognition and in memoriam session. Sadly, and we have open mic sessions for the llc, the isg and the ib in that order.

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With that again, thank you to our meeting host huawei, without whom meetings like this wouldn't be possible. I want to ask ryan from huawei to say a few words and if you can turn on your video.

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Yeah, you hear me: yes, sorry, because I tried several times, but I still cannot get the video permission. I don't know what happened but anyway. I just want to spend only two minutes to express, welcome and thank you to everybody here so good evening, good morning and good afternoon for everybody here to join it0113 in person and also online.

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This is ryan chu from huawei, and I wanted to ask a itf-113 host to spend two minutes to express our thanks and welcome here.

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Really, thanks to all the itf 3 participants to for joining the itf meeting, 113 and as well to the aoc ist, the leader, the leadership team for the hard work and perfect organization arrangement.

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um I still remember two years ago for itf-107 the first virtual itf meeting, also huawei is working with aoc and isc together to to make the virtual meeting based on the challenge of the pandemic and now, two years later, how is the also uh honor to to host uh the first uh hybrid meeting?

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uh Four one, one three and, uh as I know, because I'm not on I'm not in person, I'm still just to join the meeting from beijing. But uh we appreciate that more than 300 uh pacifists to join the women's three in person to show that whatever happens and the the whole itf community. We just stick together to support the itf mission to make the internet working better and so again to want to thank all the itf committee or the itf community.

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Thank you again and please take care and be safe, healthy and enjoy the item 113.. You know, while we still wanted to say your long term, to commit and support all itf community activities here. Thank you. Thank you. Everyone thank.

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You ryan and thank you huawei, and your commitment.

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We really appreciate your long-term commitment to organization and we have a beautiful wooden plaque or it's actually going to be a glass black. This is the.

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I'm not trusted with the real one, because apparently I might drop it um we're going to make this come to you somehow, and thank you very much um right and again also thank you to everybody else who made this meeting happen.

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um I said it feels like an itf meeting and it kind of is except for the mask, and some of these other you know, corona specified things, but secretariat has done an heroic job to pull this together and the corona restrictions in austria were quite a bit more strict until very recently, and so all the planning went towards that much more strict type of meeting, which was um even more work than what we have now. So thank you very much.

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The secretary of meet echo, the knock all of which handled the relocation, which happened really late in the cycle from bangkok to vienna very well. um The llc did a good job. The tool seam is always at the hackathon to port great job. Thank you.

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Which brings me to the boring part, which is the chair report, participant statistics and a few other of the usual suspects, we're going to go through very quickly. So we have time for open mic.

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We did see an uptick in registration numbers. We are just under 1400 total, just over 300 onsite in 1100 remote, which is about in line with the regular quote-unquote european meeting. um So we did see a significant uptick in the last two weeks to normal numbers.

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We used almost 250 fee waivers, which is great, allows people that otherwise couldn't afford to participate to participate, remotely we're going to continue the free waiver program into the future. So there will always be a free, remote participation option at itfs.

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Now we have 231 hackathon registrations which, considering um you know, 134 of those were online. So a lot more of the online people actually rented a hackathon for 50, uh roughly it's great, um and we had a lot of people participating remotely statistics by country. I think this is for the total number of participants. You can see it's the usual split more or less, and I think I have an extra slide that I haven't seen yet on this breakdown between on-site and remote.

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So join me looking at this light. For the first time we have, uh as I said, 300 people on site and about 1100 remote and the breakdown glancing from up here looks pretty much identical. So I don't know what we learned from that, but apparently the kobe did not keep uh some regions of the world further away than others. So that's, I guess good, um but okay, I'm getting corrected from the floor.

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The colors are different. Okay. Well, since I can't read the font.

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Do do what you will with that information, so I guess we will.

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I will stop analyzing things I can't read, but you can look at these uh in the minutes right future meetings. um We have a bunch of different ways. We have a for a while. Now I had to support that itf.org email address, which is your one stop shop for anything, goes into the ticket system and you get directed to the right person for your request.

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If you have something urgent about the meeting or something else, it's typically a good idea to email that, rather than some random analyst, where the secretariat is not hanging out to handle your requests immediately for tools. Specifically, it's also a good idea to email tools, discuss.

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Jay is about to send out the post 113 survey, which has a bunch of new questions, because it's our first hybrid meeting and we do want to know how that worked for you, especially those of you who are here, but also those of you who are using the remote tooling for the first time.

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And we have the shmu working group that is still meeting as far as I remember, which is our general gender era group that talks about meeting related.

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Things right: um we have a few things that are experiments or planned actions. We have an ongoing comment period on the proposal to archive discussions between document authors and the rpc during world 48.

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I think it runs until tomorrow. So if you have strong feelings, we have a day to send them.

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We are constantly tweaking the way we review buffs proposals for new work, because they're important um scheduling when you need to submit them by how we're viewing them. So we can give you feedback, we're also looking at running more virtual, slash interim buffs, and these are not necessarily new because we've had them, but very rarely in the past, and we recently decided there's specifically because of the band that make really no reason to try and have more of those.

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It seems silly that proponents of an idea have to work until the next meeting just to have a session, um and we discussed that we're going to create this important news announcement list, which is going to be very low volume, but we'll also go to everybody with a datatracker account, because we need a way to communicate with you guys.

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Right, um we had zero appeals since the last itf. So thank you for that, um and we we made did one statement on how you should, as an author understand when you get isg ballot position emails and I think the short version is don't freak out.

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It's not as bad as you think it is there's a lot more written reports, including ours at the url there that you can look at there's, also the idf blog that sort of gets fresh content every once in a while. That's also worth checking out and now I'd like to hand over to robert from the tools team, and I can try to give you control.

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Except I can't.

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Testing testing- I can hear you I'm just trying to make you able to drive the slides how's. This.

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It looks like it's updating.

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Should be able to drive.

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So hello, everyone I'll see if my next slide. Yes, as lars mentioned, there has been a lot of activity around the repositories for the tools that we use at the ietf. We are completing a project to move um the largest ones to github.

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These are on the slide. These are three of nearly 50 repositories that are available in the ietf tools organization at github. I encourage everyone to go, explore all of them.

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Now that we're at github we're asking that people use it for bug, reports and feature requests using the issues and discussion um mechanisms that are at github, and you can also send email to toolsdiscuss at ietf.org, which is a backstop for people that have any any difficulties um using github. For whatever reason, please take a moment when you can to read the contributing document that I've got on the slide, you can find it um linked from the readme from each of the repositories.

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That'll give you a good overview of of how you can engage if you want to to work on the code beyond providing bug, reports and feature requests and engaging in the discussions and join our code sprints when you can watch the tools discuss list for um when these, when these are going to occur, the tools discuss list is also disqus. List is also a good place to send code contributions.

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If, for some reason, you have no no ability to to push things directly to github um I'll, always be willing to take patches directly and manipulate things into the repositories. On your behalf, the tools team meets regularly. You can watch further meetings in the upcoming meetings calendar and we have a set of workshops that are. Are that we're working on scheduling? You can look in that repository to find out what they're about.

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I also wanted to point to a new set of resources that are available to us at authors.ietf.org. There are tools up there that describe how to author, how to convert things from provide tools for converting things from the authoring formats into the various rendering formats and doing guests.

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um We'll also have a bib xml service up there very soon. um The last comment that I'd like to make is.

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Look at the discussion on tools discuss about the work that we're doing on the way the data tracker looks we're currently moving very quickly towards a major update to the look and feel of the data tracker.

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You can find information on the tools discussed list about how to see what that's going to look like and help us find any issues in it before it becomes production. If you, if you have the time to contribute. Thank you.

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Thanks robert- and I think I remember that the author tools, idf drug wallet, is working for many people already, it's still considered better, and so you, if you find issues please report them it's much better than the old tool that we had already, but I think there's still some things that are still being improved. So thanks for that- and I think next I'm going to hand over to miriah who gives the iab report and do I need to take back control here. I have control.

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Yes, hello, everybody, um I'm also very happy to be here, see you all in person. I don't know if you recognize, but I've been the ib chair for two years, and this is my first time I'm standing here so very exciting.

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um Hopefully, next time we will see even more faces in person again we're excited about that and we're excited to be here to work together with all of you um given. um This is quite quite early for a plenary for us, but quite late for a lot of people online again, I will be trying to be very quick. I only have a few slides.

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My first slide is, as usually all the other information that I don't tell you here today are in the report, so you can pick them from the proceedings and read them yourself, um and I'm only reporting a little bit here on like the important admin stuff, but if you're actually interested what the iab is doing otherwise and interested in engaging with some technical and technical discussion with the iab, we have the iab open session tomorrow.

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So there will be a little bit more reporting tomorrow about what we actually do and there will be a discussion about centralization or actually how to encounter centralization and tomorrow. So it would be great to see you all there, maybe not all of you, because it's a smaller room, but many of you.

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Oh, oh sorry, now I skipped some slides.

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Yeah I slipped and skipped this important slide. So one of the big announcements today is that we have a new independent submission editor. um The iab recently appointed elliott lear to um take over this position. Unfortunately, he is not here today, um but I'm sure you maybe had a chance to meet him online.

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There were office hours, and hopefully we will see him next time again and, like he's pretty well known to many of you, I think otherwise, all I can give you at this point is this photo here, um and I would also like to take the opportunity to say thank you to adrian again, and I already announced last time that he decided to step down after um four years, and so this transition had just happened recently.

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He already stepped down he's, unfortunately, also not here so like again no chance to have a nice dinner with him, and but we will ship him some chocolate from here.

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So we got, we got this extra large box for you, adrian.

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Okay, one more thing I would like to take a few minutes for um is to announce the outcome of the iab program. That is designing a new rfc editor model, because this program has basically concluded at work. It's still open if we need to and pick up anything again but effectively, we are done here and the new model has quite changed. Quite quite a bit. I've presented a few hints about this at the last plenaries already.

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But if you want to know all the details, you probably have to read the document, so we'll not go through this here. I just wanted to report back where we are and the status is um that the the program is basically ready with their work and handed it to the iab. We already had like a four week.

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Community feedback call and we got a lot of feedback because we reached out to many community members and asked for previews actively to make sure people are aware, and we have considered all different angles and we got a lot of good feedback. Fortunately, we didn't get any like big issues. Out of that I mean there were definitely some concerns, but nothing that we didn't discuss that lengthy in the program already and nothing that we didn't consider so the bunch of clarifications and make sure we're going in the right direction here.

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So the iab has also reviewed. The last version, um which was like just published a few days ago, was like the last editorial changes and effectively approved this document. What we're doing right now is we're actually waiting for three additional documents that are small updates to existing process documents that are going through the ietf stream.

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These have effectively also been approved by the ihg to a certain extent already, but one of the documents we missed something as always, so there will be another working, itf last call and that's what we're waiting for, but um yeah, to make. The message short is like we're done and we're heading forwards, and thank you, everybody who was involved, because that was quite a big effort.

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At the end, thanks to the chairs to the editor of the document, everybody being involved in the discussion, all the reviewers, I think it's good to see that we work productively together and get this done.

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Yeah- and this is my last slide, also as usually an opportunity to thank those people that we appoint into different positions.

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um We already have selected somebody for the isoc board of trustees, but we will wait for the announcement um to coordinate with istock respectively, so this is still a secret, um but I can thank um peter who has been reappointed to the icann technical esau group to taking over this position again or keeping this position, and then this is also always a good chance for us to tell you about our open calls. Do you want to say something last?

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The mic is not even on mike is not working.

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Yeah, but I see like this is very important to last, so I make sure I point it out carefully. um We have two open calls. One is for the icann root server systems, government working group and now jared wants to say something, but the mic is still not working. Yeah.

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Maybe it'll maybe it'll work, but I'm guessing that in the future we may need to use a larger font size for the future ietf meetings.

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It's I think it's this green background color, which is irritating here.

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Okay, let me start again because that is important for the iab, um so we have two open calls. uh One is for the icann root server government working group, um so this group is that isn't supposed to be around forever, um but we're looking for somebody um committing to kind of work until the end of this kind of project which will be you know. Who knows it's like the idea of number. Nobody has deadlines, but it will be in commitment for like one or two years.

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Hopefully, um ted was serving us in this position, but because the process got delayed, um he's not able to take this position up anymore. So we're really looking somebody who can be engaged in this important process and thanks for ted serving in this position and then now lars.

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We have another open call together with the ihg, we are looking for two people to share the new rfc series working group. That was the outcome of the program that I just talked about, um and this is also very important because it's a very new process, so we're looking for people who can engage there and help the community to move forward in this.

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So if you're volunteering for that, as always, send us an email or propose people who, I think, are qualified um or talk to people and convince them that they should put their name in okay, that's it from my site.

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Okay, colin will be next up and I should have switched to the next slide, but you can do it yourself now.

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uh Yes, hi: uh can I just check the sound, that's working.

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Yes, we can hear you.

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Okay, thank you, maria uh this. This is the the irtf report. um My name is uh colin perkins, I'm the irtf chair. um What I wanted to do is just very briefly uh mention a couple of activities. The irtf is involved with running which are unrelated to the the research groups that we also run.

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uh The first of these is the applied networking research prize, uh which we've run in conjunction with the internet society uh and with sponsorship from comcast and nbc universal.

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uh The applied networking research prize is here to recognize uh some of the best recent results in applied networking research.

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It's here to recognize some interesting new research ideas which may be of uh eventual uh relevance to the standards community and it's here to to recognize upcoming people that are likely to have an impact on the the internet, standards and technologies going forward.

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We made two a rp applied networking research prize awards during the irtf open meeting yesterday.

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These went to uh sangeeta abdul jyoti, uh who had a really nice paper on the the resilience of the internet infrastructure to uh solar superstorms uh and to bruce uh bruce spang, who also had some really good work, showing that uh network uh eb testing algorithms can be biased uh in the the presence of network congestion.

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As I say, these were two really excellent talks. If you're interested in these topics, I would encourage you to take a look. uh The talks are available on the irtf website uh and the full version of sangeeta's talk is there and a shorter version of bruce's talk.

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The the recordings of the full talk should also be available on the the ietf channel on youtube.

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In addition to the uh the prizes, uh we also run the applied networking research workshop in conjunction with acm sitcom.

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The 2022 version of this workshop will co-locate with the july iatf meeting. I'm pleased to announce that uh tj chung from virginia tech and marwan fired from cloudflare have uh agreed to co-chair that workshop. uh The call for papers uh went out yesterday and is on on the um the website, um and please do uh consider submitting your work if you're doing research uh that may be irrelevant. uh As I say, it's a it's a forum for for those to present new work uh related to applied networking research uh and the the deadline for submissions.

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There is uh the end of april.

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Okay uh and that's everything I have uh I will now pass over to- I guess jay is coming next. Thank you.

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Thanks colin um hi, I'm jay daly, I'm the ihf executive director, um you've probably seen me at all of the plenaries, but last time in person was singapore in 2019, my first in-person meeting so to kick off for the llc part of things.

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First of all, thank you to huawei our global host and meeting host as lars said, they've been very, very helpful to us over a long period. Now um it's it's difficult. I think for many organizations to understand what value they get from sponsoring a meeting that is, has lower in-person attendance, where you don't know what who's going to be here, you don't know what exposure you get, but huawei have taken the risk with us a couple of times now and that's very much appreciated.

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Thank you um and a big thanks to cisco and juniper and cisco through webex meetings for their equipment and services sponsorship. The I don't know if you know this, but the value of the equipment we get off. These people is extraordinary. It really does help us um so um run the meetings and do all sorts of things with that, and also a special shout out to hurricane electric and some of the other people that also provide us equipment and services to help things.

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In the background uh work for this meeting, and for for this year we have akamai and cisco, who are our gold diversity, inclusivity sponsors. This is good to find that we have people who are as well as sponsoring us for specific meetings are also helping sponsor us be on a values basis throughout the year. Very much helps us work throughout that year.

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And huawei are also a silver sponsor for diversity inclusivity. So thank you for that, and then we have the domain name. Industry steaming in here with verisign donuts and cn nick as bronze sponsors on the diversity inclusivity and the running code side of things. So thank you very much for that and then finally, a special um shout out to next layer who are the local company who have provided the network here, who offered to do all the letters of invitation and have been very helpful, doing a lot of work for us. Thank you very much.

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So, um as la said, we have a lot of volunteers who come and give their time on the code sprint. On saturday we had a whole bunch of people who participated there. Thank you very much. um It's a very, very serious run when you go into the code sprint, it's not quite the same as the hackathon shall we say you know um it. People take it very seriously and get a lot of stuff done. I'm impressed at how quickly people can adapt to that and the knock.

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um So thank you very much to people unlock and also thank you to their employers who um allow them to dedicate their time to do things and to create the um 650 different networks that iotf participants require. That's absolutely fantastic! Thank you and there are, as you probably know, some dashboards around. That shows the stuff from the knock um that you might find useful to look at.

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We um as we're now meeting again, we've been able to take the secretariat out of deep freeze and they're back here. So thank you very much secretariat um for running an excellent meeting again um and uh thank you also for our covid officer. Who's been ensuring that we'll wear our masks at the right times.

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We um on the we have on the knock side. We have uh the contract and crew from line speed. Thank you and, of course, we have meet echo, who are here in numbers to help support us and to um get the best from the product. Thank you. The on our tools, team. We have uh a a set of contractors who are um dedicated to all the tool side of things and then uh the llc staff, and we have a number of the llc staff here as well.

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So please come up and say hello to meet us.

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Iatf114 will be in philadelphia. I expect a minimum of 1 500 people to attend please, and um there will be plenty of opportunities for doing rocky poses on steps and things. Okay, I'm sure in sure we'll just have a photographer for that, if necessary. So please come along. um I think you know I'm very glad that you all made the effort to come here.

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That's been very helpful and for the people online um you know try to come to philadelphia if you can so that we can make this into a um you know a very much bigger meeting in person. That'd be great for us.

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uh So the the bulk of our um meeting funding comes from our global hosts and global supporters. These are companies that sign up to us for six or nine years, give us um money every year towards that and then host these meetings and without them really we could not run the meetings they're extraordinarily generous. So thank you to cisco, thank you to comcast ericsson, huawei, juniper, nbc, universal and nokia.

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um Your commitment is tremendous, particularly over the long terms, it's very difficult for I think for people to get budgets in corporates to last this long, and they do so. I'm very impressed by that. Thank you.

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So these are our upcoming meetings. We have philadelphia. Then we have london in later in the year in november, we.

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Still working on um asia for 116., we hope to have an announcement about that soon. It's it's a bit complicated because of um covid to uh come, make contractual arrangements with hotels the. um To put it bluntly, they don't believe that we're not going to cancel. So it's just taking a bit of time for us to arrange these things, but hopefully that will be arranged soon. We have san francisco one of the rearranged meetings, um prague and then asia, which we're looking at one of the moved meetings from and vancouver, which was a move meeting.

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So we we are filling up the pipeline of meetings coming forward. We are still interested in new ideas and new places to go to and things or old ideas and old places to go to. For example, I'm told that london has been completely rebuilt and we probably won't lose that many of you there this time. So um you know please let us know your favorite locations.

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Right, the registration numbers- I think those might be slightly out actually so um we'll look at those later lars figures are the ones that believe on that currently right. So this is um us, the staff.

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That's me approximately 25 years ago on the left, but why would I change the picture and then we have greg wood over there. Our director of operations, lee berkeley, shaw our director of development kasara, one of our software developers, is somewhere in the room and um nick is another software developer who's not joined us this time.

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Right so as a small thing about the itf endowment, so the intf endowment is created to support the iotf and its um activities in the long term to create long-term sustainability.

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um We are basically trying to raise money so that then, at some point in the future it would be possible to live off the interest of all the the investment income from the endowment. If that's the case, it gives us a diversity of income, makes us not reliant on any particular funder or and not reliance on any particular industry or set of companies in that way is something we would like to get to and we have a goal of trying to raise 50 million us dollars by 2027..

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This is particularly useful, particularly helped at the moment by a commitment from the internet society to match fund any donations we get so on the first 12 million we get a two to one match funding and then on the subsequent six million we get a one-to-one match funding, so uh internet society could end up giving us 30 million of us raising 80 million 18 million. So that's a huge amount.

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That really is very useful for us, so if you um can uh help persuade your companies in any way to please help us, then please, let us know, certainly um the 2021 donors are. uh We had right, um thank you, lachnik and google, and over a dozen individual donations, including some very generous ones, from individuals.

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So thank you very much and in total we raised you know 239 000, us dollars which, with the match, gives us 718, 000 so um and uh lee berkley shaw over there waving is our director of government. If you have a spare million or two or your company is looking for um some way of showing that it properly is investing in the internet. She is the person to speak to. Thank you very much.

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Okay, I'm going to hand over to jason, who I do not see on the list of participants. Oh I've got it here. Yeah.

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Have to hand over the slides I've got it.

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Perfect him, yes, I did it yet.

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All right looks like it's passed over to me successfully. I think um so. Thank you. um Jay appreciate your presentation and thanks everyone for attending whether in person or virtually, um this will be a brief uh itf lc update so should be pretty easy.

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This has not changed since the last meeting. These are the folks that serve on the board. Thank you for all their time as volunteers.

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uh These are the upcoming meetings that we have scheduled right now. um You know april may june. You know basically monthly. um The meetings are completely open, so you're welcome to join. We do have open q a during the public part so certainly feel free to join if you're not able to join at a particular time.

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You can also send questions in and so on, and we're also working on as I'll mention shortly planning a strategic planning retreat and as with prior years, we'll have large sections of time where people can observe and ask questions, and so on.

G

So in terms of the current work things that we have recently completed this year since the last meeting or are currently working on, we've made changes to the investment policy following recommendations from our financial advisors- goldman sachs in essence, um increasing our exposure to equity investments and also considering the possibility of private equity investments over time, uh similar to many other nonprofit funds.

G

We've also been working obviously on this meeting um working with the executive director, jay and all of the other folks here, in particular the noc team, to make sure that the first hybrid meeting got carried off all right and uh be very much looking forward to feedback, because I think, um as probably lars said at the beginning, you know this is a model that will likely persist for some time and um you know making it work great for both in-person and on-site and remote excuse me. Participants is important.

G

Number three we've been assessing potential policy needs and changes related to antitrust.

G

There's been some list discussion about that, of course, and we are inching closer and closer to uh to sort of a final uh decision on some of those things so stay tuned uh and, of course, as I think jay may have noted, he's relocated now to the united kingdom to london area, uh greater london from new zealand, and so we've had to do a bunch of you know legal and benefits changes with our employment management company uh and lots of odd.

G

You know inter sort of legal changes, but you know important stuff to get right to take care of our employees like jay. We're all obviously also planning the annual strategic planning retreat. We should have some dates out fairly soon and again, as I noted welcome, participation and we've been increasing, focus on fundraising, so that fundraising topic is now on our monthly agenda and it's something that we are focusing on all the time to see that we're making maximum use of that isoc program in terms of prior fiscal year operating budget.

G

This will look a lot better as we enter into 2022, because we had the sort of outstanding accounting issue with the way that isoc funding got recognized last fiscal year or two fiscal years ago. Excuse me, so last fiscal year ends up looking odd. We'll have audited results. um You know in the relatively near future, and you know everything is generally on track.

G

I think we've continued to weather the covet 19 disruptions fairly well, but again, a lot of the the weird variances that we see are just due to this one-time eyesock thing, and that is, um should not be an issue for this fiscal year. So it'll be easier to read our financial statements.

G

And, of course, these are all the ways that you can get in contact with us feel free to reach out at any time on any subject in any of these. These different ways that you'd like and, of course, lots of different web page links here in terms of meeting minutes, financial statements and so on.

G

So, thank you with that. I'm going to pass it over to glenn.

I

Hello, everybody.

L

And it looks like uh you have control awesome, hi, I'm glendi uh from comcast nbc universal. I am the chair of the ictf trust.

L

So these are the five trustees they are selected by the eye tip nom com. One of them is selected by the island border trustees and one is selected by um the iesg and we've been same sort of uh group now for a few years, which is good because, having trustees around the sort of know the lay of the land, it's always good to have people that they're well engaged and well aware of the background.

L

um These are some boilerplate plate, slides because a lot of people, you know, don't really know what the trust does we're pretty quiet bunch and that's a good thing, because we deal with legal stuff and when legal things are nice and quiet, uh that's the ideal situation, but basically we hold ip assets.

L

This is like copyrights and trademarks and domains, and software licenses uh on behalf of the itf, ayanna, ican and and water internet related activities, uh and we make sure these things are protected and and free to use as appropriate, but also that we don't accidentally lose control of them uh through some slippage around. You know not complying with laws and jurisdictional requirements, uh we're a currently a virginia common trust. uh We're a nonprofit uh and, uh as I said, we have five trustees, we're a small group.

L

Well, the budget is about a hundred thousand dollars, uh keep it light, keep it tight and most that goes towards legal fees.

L

What I want to talk to you today about, though, is that the trust is having a bit of a problem, and it revolves around uh insurance uh trusts when we were created back in 2005 um have evolved a lot and uh we historically carry uh a lot of insurance on our uh professional liability and directors and officers insurance uh to protect the trustees.

L

When you sign up to be a trustee uh because of the nature of trust trustees literally own the trust they are the owners of all the assets of the trust and they are themselves uh their personal liabilities are intertwined with the uh the trust and its assets and the activity. So if the trust gets sued, uh one of the consequences of trustees themselves can be named as part of the the suit. So we hear a lot of good insurance on that to protect the people who volunteer to become trustees vote.

L

All trustees are not comp, say, they're all volunteers and we've run into a problem. The last few years we've tried to increase the amount of coverage uh through our insurance broker uh to a level that is appropriate for both inflation and the legal risk that we see in the landscape.

L

The trouble is that uh the market for insurance providers for trusts uh really is very limited. uh There's a very few companies that provide it and those that do provide like the one we currently use, aren't interested in increasing the limits. uh Part of this is because the trusts are very often these days used for other activities such as real estate holdings, uh generational wealth management, uh tax um efficiency and not so much use for uh what we do protecting.

L

You know the the ip materials for the itf and the other parties that we work with. So this has created a problem for us. We we've been scratching our heads about how to uh deal with this for the last few years and uh so we're looking at the landscape and maybe making some changes to the itf trust structure relating to this is, as I mentioned, the individual trustee liability.

L

um The current structure of the trust, because the trustees themselves own the trust and all the assets they themselves take on a lot of legal liability and, in fact, when you become a trustee, uh we give you a document that says: hey read this over and by the way, don't just read this and sign it quickly. Read this over. It has a lot of stuff you are taking on and uh you know anecdotally. We know there are people within the icf community that have seriously considered being a trustee. Looked at this and said: oh no!

L

No! No! That's! I'm not going to take on that personal liability. um For myself the risk is just too high, and so we've been sort of trying to uh figure out the path forward.

L

Given these two key issues that are causing us, uh you know personal liability, making our pool of trustee candidates smaller and proper insurance levels to make sure the ones that do get selected and serve are well protected, and one of the things we've observed is that, while trusts have a lot of problems, uh corporations don't and it breaks down to that corporations have within the legal frameworks uh that they operate under more protection for directors, because directors aren't owners, they're, just demoted to the um down to a person serving to help run the corporation, and they have more legal liabilities that help them, along with there's a very large insurance market that will provide insurance coverage to such entities.

L

So we're exploring the possibility of restructuring the ihf trust on a legal basis into a not-for-profit corporation from a trust now, in reality, very little would change awkwardly. If we did this right, all the trust's current assets would just transfer over to the new entity all the current licenses we do and the way we do them and the way we make them available for people to use would all transfer as well we're gonna demote. The truck trustees, though they get their motor to just be directors.

L

No longer would they be owners, uh and we would also move from virginia uh probably to delaware, where the united states is very popular to do. Corporations um the itf llc, for instance, is in fact uh based in delaware.

L

uh What would not change the role and service to the itf and all the other communities that make use of the trust's assets would not change in any way. Licenses would stay the same and we would continue to be a 501 c 3 entity, so nonprofit as well. The other thing we're not going to rule and change is how the trustees are selected, or in this case the new directors would be selected. uh There would be still be five of them. The selection process would still follow the process.

L

You know by 80 rfc 87 14, um but it was just the legal definition of how we're registered as an entity that would basically trust change. So that's pretty big delay in the community. um There's an obvious question: why don't we just fold this under the itf llc? We went all the work in uh you know to create it.

L

uh Why don't we just hold on, and I won't go into this slide in detail, but there are some dependencies upon the trust being an independent entity uh that have been established from the very beginning uh and along with some requirements that, uh because the llc is associated with isoc as a um as an entity? uh Officially, you know disregarded uh entity by eyestock.

L

Transferring the assets of the trust to the llc would effectively be given an arms uh length. Relationship to isoc and both the original founding agreement for 2005 had a particular restriction that that can't be done with the trust's assets uh and then later on in 2016, when we did the ia transition and the trust took on some service diana and I can communities that was done with the expectation that the trust was an independent entity. So we've looked at this, we don't think this is an option.

L

So we've been looking at this, we've been consulting with attorneys, and so we're going to do is the following. We are going to open up a consultation with the communities that make use of the trust. This includes the itf.

L

I can uh the rars uh we're going to use the tlp interest list over at theitf.org for comments and questions and we're gonna hold a multi-hour webinar in april uh for anybody's interested in this topic to come and talk, uh we're gonna explain why we're thinking of what we're gonna do, how it would look and then open for discussion. uh You know opinions concerns ideas. uh We want to hear from people we're not just going to go off and do this. You know in a vacuum.

L

uh This is a community conversation to have uh to figure out what the right path forward uh for the the trust and for the assets that managers are and with that, here's, how you can contact us in general and I will pass it on to lars.

C

Thanks glenn, this is again very hot. ah Thank you and we're coming to the recognition of the outgoing leadership. uh Part of the um um agenda and and jared will be happy to hear that the the rumors of my diminishing eyesight are vastly over exaggerated, but my glasses do up when I wear a mask, so I actually did not see that thing on the slide earlier.

C

I'm very sorry, but everybody's paying attention that's great um right. First up is the outgoing iab members.

H

Yeah- and we have um two outgoing ib members- that I would like to to thank for a service today. Both of them have served for two years on the iab, so they have been fully virtual iap members.

H

um I think that was challenging and I I at least had still a good time working with them. I would like to um start with jared because he is actually here in person, so at least I had finally a chance to meet him in person after two years of only online meetings, and we had a couple of chats online as well. So I do have the feeling. I actually know you well, but it's not the same, and so I'm happy that we at least met at this very last meeting.

H

I think. Despite the challenges we had the last two years with the wichita setup, it was great to have you on the iab. um You have strong opinions very often, but but it's uh it's good to have different angles, and- and we had some discussions, uh we we do agree on a couple of points, but sometimes also disagree and it's very important for the iab to have all these different views in the discussion and make sure we represent in this way. Also a little bit the community.

H

So, in order you will to remember your time at the iab. We brought you a little present, um so this is it. You can come up if you want.

H

um This is a water bottle which is branded for you with the ieb dot on here. So you will never you use it.

M

So that's for you excellent, thank you and, and we brought you a little bit of chocolate as well smaller pocket than adrian, but that's also for you.

H

Yeah I took jared first because ben we also got you a bottle and we will ship it to you and of course you will also get some chocolate from vienna. So um ben, as I just said, was also on the iab for two years. uh At least for me, it was a little bit easier because I was serving together with ben on the ihd already, so I know him very well. He has always been a very, very kind person and contributed to discussion, always in a common kind way.

H

He was always there to pick up any tasks if needed, and so we would definitely also miss you on the iap ben and I hope very much that next time we will see at a meeting, we will have a nice dinner together and chat about past times a little bit more. Thank you very much ben.

C

We'll do the isg recognition next, but first I want to say actually ben was also the liaison during the last year, at least to the iesg, and so we've worked with them as well, and ben has written some of the best um short reports from the isg from the iasg and what the from the I to the iab on what the isg is doing and they're so good that I actually internally forward them to my boss and say this is what I did this week and there's always like three things that I forgot about, but ben didn't forget it.

C

He put them in it's a nicely bulleted list and it's been extremely useful and whoever we get and we need. We need that level of reporting was excellent. uh So thank you ben also from the isg, um which brings us to a slide. I don't see here, but I see it there, which are the outgoing isg members, uh benjamin kadek, uh for the security area and mata vigorous for the trans. The transporter is wrong. He was routing um so testing me here, huh I'm awake uh so martial for the for the riding area.

C

um Some of you in the audience have done this job, and some of you remotely have done this job, and you know it's often thankless, and both of them are unfortunately not here so when the open mic later on gets boring, maybe take a minute and send them a message and thank them for their service because, while it can be, you know not often fun to argue with an ad who has requests for you.

C

As an author, I think that the reviews actually do help make the documents better and we need people like that, are willing to serve and ask hard questions and do the work. So thank you very much ben and my turn.

C

And with that I want to pass over to john.

N

E

Give me the slides you can actually just forward it too either way. I think I'm giving you control yeah there we go so.

F

Susan r harris it was always susan, never sue, and the r is really important because she worked with both susan hares and another susan harris. So susan r harris she passed away on march 6 after a short and um and she'd probably have said inconvenient battle with cancer.

F

um Susan was an outstanding writer and and nerd whisperer, and in the days before, everyone knew that, of course, the internet was going to be a big deal. She was instrumental in explaining it to decision makers who needed to know that this was important stuff.

F

She played a key part in getting nanog off the ground as it evolved from the earlier nsf net regional text group. She authored a number of important rfcs, notably the dao of iatf, the discussion list charter. Her license plate was rfc 3005.

F

The guidelines for conduct.

F

Her her keen skills as a writer and editor were complimented by her dry self-deprecating wit and her generosity of spirit. She was a good co-worker collaborator colleague and a friend I'll miss her.

E

I know many of you will too thank you.

C

Thank you, john. That was great and we will miss her next up. Is the open mic for the llc, so those of you who are in the room would you please make your way to the stage and those of you who might have questions for the llc make your way to the microphones and please use the um on-site tool or the full version of meat echo to insert yourself into the queue, and you can probably see if you are close to being up and uh if you are make your way to a microphone.

C

Thank you and I can't see the queue other than there, but I see barry go ahead.

K

Hi this is barry lieber uh jay. I want to thank you for relocating to london uh in preparation for our meeting there, making sure that you're, local and helping out- and I expect you to continue your nomadic life as we make up meetings in in bangkok and and madrid. So you know, but that's not why I got up. I wanted to talk about the um a bit about the ietf endowment for a moment.

K

The um we are now for several meetings had an option on the registration to donate a little money to the ietf, and I've been doing that for the last few meetings and since it's been available and it's an easy way to chuck a few extra bucks there- and I was talking with lee berkeley during the hackathon- and she said now that money is going to the endowment. So it's getting the benefit of the matched funds from isoc.

K

So I just wanted to encourage everybody to take advantage of that. It's just easy check check the box, whatever put it put in, however much you can throw at us and continue supporting the ietf financially as well as technically thanks.

K

Thank you. Barry, that was that was great.

C

K

C

A question but that's okay,.

C

um Do we have somebody else queuing up?

C

I don't think so.

C

Okay, this was very short. Thank you very much up. Next is the isg, and this is where you hand over the dots, so I think that might be the next slide. No, but we'll do it anyway. um I have a role so so, if you're misbehaving, you might also get stuck with one of these later on in the bar.

C

But for now we have a new incoming security area director who gets his dot, which is paul waters and um andre alston, is a writing id who's not able to be here but andrew we're going to hold your dot for the retreat and we're going to stick it on you there.

C

Thank you both for joining us and serving.

C

Right- and uh I think we go down from paul and uh tell us who you are- are the online um sorry, the secret language of the itf has become german in case you weren't aware yet um so fair point, miriah.

C

I think in the interest of camera fiddling we're gonna, unfortunately skip the online people, but I think for those of you in the room, it would be nice to do the traditional, let's go down the table. So let's do that paul, paul.

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Vargas, incoming security uh robleton and I'm the ops management id.

E

H

Media cool event beach here.

E

Los angeles, warren kumari, obsidi, martin, duke transport,.

O

Eric internet.

H

C

And I do see andrew up there on the screen. So since he's the other incoming aerial director andrew, why don't you introduce yourself.

C

P

So can you can we finish this table, though.

P

C

This is not my day um andrew, please, you're, still muted, while andrew is trying to unmute you. I will tell you that um he sent me a message on the slack saying. Is there a way for my wife to watch this without being uh registered? And I said yes, there is a youtube link and then he went downstairs to give her the link, and she said she invited a whole bunch of friends over and they're having a party to see me become an air director which is great.

C

So I hope you enjoy your party and do you have audio now.

P

uh I'm hoping we've got audio.

C

O

Andrew austin, incoming routing id.

C

Thank you and uh remote. We have uh murray from art, we have um john from uh routing. We have uh roman from transport. What are you doing with transport? Why is it roman who's, not in transport, but in security uh we have eric klein, who is in ind? uh We have uh ben cadek who's outgoing for security.

C

uh Rob wilton is here warren comey's here, okay, that's it! I think questions oh yeah, martel's outgoing rotting questions for the iesg. Please do we have people in the queue.

C

I think you guys forgot how this works.

C

I'll take it, but I'm confused okay, no questions for the isg at all, so be it. Thank you.

P

C

And up next to the iab, please.

H

Okay, I hope that doesn't mean we get all the questions now.

H

Yeah, please come up.

H

Yeah, we will try to do the same, so we start on this side. Yari.

H

Just for some change.

I

It's on it's just on okay,.

E

Architecture, enthusiast.

H

Okay and then I will try to read you um the online people, but you also have them on the stream. So we have van is outgoing. We have deborah there. Wes is with us colin um zenbin, we david you're. Here we have tommy ross. Giancan colin, as the irtf chair john, should be with us um as the inter temporary rfc series, editor mallory, new incoming iab member and chin, also new incoming ib member and now we would take questions.

H

ah We have one person in the room even perfect,.

N

Same problem every single time, uh lars c1 lee man. From from that note, this is not actually a question but of uh uh uh offering my my um as a volunteer. uh You mentioned before that you're looking for a volunteer to or to.

F

N

On the root service system, governance working group.

H

I think thank you very much. I think you have to write us an email for that.

N

I'm already on it, that's that's the point. If anyone on here wants to know anything about what's going on in that working group, I think I'm the only member actual member there. You are, sir, I forgot so there at least two of us here then. So, if you want have any questions about that come and see me, um I won't offer you without your concept, but I'm here. If you want to talk about it,.

H

Okay, thank you thank you for showing showing your face. So people can thank you um yeah. This is definitely thank you. Yes, yes, this is definitely a position where we're really looking for a qualified um volunteer who can bring in some knowledge and help guiding the process there.

I

So I'd just like to comment one of the things. That's always a unique challenge is there's a lot of positions. The iab does end up appointing for and so uh definitely talk to your local iab member, uh including you know, I'm willing to answer questions well about stuff. um So we're always look. You know, we've always been looking for good candidates for many of the positions. So if you have extra time, please let us know.

H

Yeah, that's also a good point, so it's like um some of these positions. We need very specified expertise, so it's not like a huge set where you should drawing from, and it's always hard to find a diverse set of candidates and also selecting people who might bring into some more diversity, and so some of these sports. So the more volunteers we have for any of these positions, the better.

H

You really really want to go out and enjoy life there right yeah and me too. It's fine, okay, three, two one! Thank you! Everybody.

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You all look very confused.

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