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OPSAWG meeting session at IETF92
2015/03/26 1520
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B
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C
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D
A
A
F
All
right
so
on
the
agenda
free
ups
area,
we've
got
like
the
yang
coordination,
an
update
then
also
an
update
on
Odin
there
on
the
ad
free
VPN
service
yang
model.
It's
a
new
working
group,
then
Kathleen
will
present
on
dots
and
we
will
have
yam
med
vet
presenting
something
on
the
the
outcome
of
the
hackathon
during
the
weekend.
At
least
some
of
the
part
involves
ops,
so
any
agenda
bashing
all
right.
The
notice
star
is
a
yang
model
equation.
Group
update.
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A
F
All
right
so
good
afternoon,
I'll
be
speaking
about
the
yang
model
donation
group.
So
what
is
this
next
slide?
This
is
basically
a
directorate
of
a
couple
of
people.
We've
got
in
their
car
Moberg,
the
emigrant
ovitch
Dave
Meyer
and
the
Bora,
but
the
Bora
was
selected
as
the
new
routing
ad,
so
this
is
between
brackets,
meaning
that
she
won't
have
much
time
to
do
this
any
longer.
This
is.
We
were
quite
happy
to
have
an
operator
in
that
group.
F
So
there
is
a
small
time
commitment
we
put
in
there
like
one-third
of
someone's
time
just
to
make
sure
it
were
serious
about
it.
You
know
some
weeks
0,
some
more
weeks
like
this
week.
It's
it's
full
time
job.
But
what
is
that
the
mission
of
this
group
is
you
know
to
help
with
the
development
and
culmination
of
the
numerous
yang
models
within
the
ITF
and
the
promotion
of
young
modeling
in
the
industry?
So
I
come
back
to
that
in
couple
of
slides.
Now
this
is
the
page.
There
feel
free
to
follow
that
one.
F
F
Alright,
so
I
won't
be
reading
all
this,
but
typically
the
job
description
is
like
inventory
of
yang
models.
The
first
thing
we
want
to
do
then
trying
to
evaluate
all
how
all
these
young
models
fit
together.
This
is
a
good
friend.
You
have
it's
the
next
thing
we
will
need
to
do
and
you
will
see
there
are
many
of
these
young
models
if
you
were
in
the
routing
session
just
before
it's
a
also
discussed
there.
F
There
is
a
design
team
in
routing
to
evaluate
how
to
fit
these
models
together,
so
documenting
backtrack,
documenting
and
tracking
up
on
issues
leading
the
discussions
on.
You
know
the
resolution
and
open
issues
participating
in
the
design
teams,
and
that's
it.
Basically,
you
know
we're
going
to
learn
along
the
time
how
this
job
will
evolve,
but
it's
read
a
promotion
of
the
young
now
on
the
next
slide.
What
I
want
to
show
is
a
capella
of
of
the
outcome.
What
we've
been
doing
so
far,
because
we
want
to
give
regular
updates.
F
The
first
thing
was
the
inventory.
Yes,
we've
been
telling
that
there
is
like
a
big
wave
of
young
mothers
or
even
it's
tsunami,
but
actually
how
many
it's
even
difficult
to
know.
So
what
we
did
in
the
hackathon
during
the
weekend
with
young
med,
that
is,
we
wrote
a
script
that
download
the
IGF
draft,
extract
the
young
models
and
see
if
they
compile
right.
So
we
have
this
page
there
and
you
could
throw
the
link
directly
from
a
from
the
page
I
mentioned
before.
F
So
you
see
on
the
left-hand
side,
the
module
name
then
welcome
from
which
draft
then
a
link
to
the
author.
You
want
to
just
click
and
send
an
email
to
them
with
what
was
the
outcome
of
the
compilation
there
that
felt
right
and
just
checking
their
if
it
passed
or
failed
and
on
the
next
slide,
some
numbers.
So
how
many
young
mothers
do
we
have?
Well,
we
have
to
differentiate
between
the
one
that
extract
correctly
and
the
one
that
might
be
good
yang
models.
F
F
F
18
total
yang
models,
the
good
one,
the
but
one,
the
one
more,
not
too
sure
the
example
ones
at
cetera.
So
there
is
room
for
improvement
there
right
now.
This
is
some
my
pride
website.
The
plan
is
to
move
that
somewhere.
You
know,
maybe
the
ITF
website
whatever,
but
the
code
for
that
is
post
is
being
posted
at
this
time
in
github,
so
it
will
be
available
for
people
to
just
reuse.
The
next
slide
typical
error.
F
There
I
won't
go
there
in
details,
but
you
know
the
typical
one:
you're
supposed
to
put
code
begins
and
could
ends
there.
Some
people
don't
put
that
so
we're
tables
going
to
sure.
If
it's
an
example
on
out
there
are
young
models
Indra.
That
are
just
examples.
So
it's
right
not
to
put
that,
but
just
don't
use
like
could
begin
instead
of
God
begins,
don't
use
a
lowercase
instead
put
the
end
at
the
end.
All
these
things
we've
been
warning
all
the
author.
F
Please
correct
that:
okay,
I'll
skip
the
rest,
oh
by
the
way
don't
put
XXX
there,
I
mean
if
you're
not
too
sure
about
your
yang
module
name
right.
Every
single
person
put
XXX,
so
we've
got
five
or
six
XXX
yang
models
that
doesn't
help
right.
Okay,
next
slide,
so
posting
the
code
is
being
done
right
now.
We
want
to
integrate
this
tool
with
ID
nets
right
specifically
because
there
is
lack
and
dash
dash,
ITF
compilation
flag
when
peeing
now
I'm
not
sure
that
we
want
to
just
fail
posting
a
drought.
F
Last
time
you
check
it
was
like
three
or
four
hundred
yang
models
in
there.
Obviously
that's
a
superset
of
the
one
we
have
here,
but
you
know
stable
it
point.
Alright,
the
next
one
as
I
mentioned,
we've
got
plenty
of
yang
models
all
over
the
place.
We
have
on
that
website,
following
the
order.
The
wiki
they're
a
kind
of
industry
landscape
of
what's
happening
in
a
different
SDOs
em
EF
is
doing
some
yang
models,
the
I
Triple
E.
They
have
a
par
to
create
a
young
models.
Cable
apps
open
their
light
at
CNM
v.
F
You
know
I'm
not
married
to
the
ITF
right
as
long
its
conscience
is
based
and
it's
good
modeling.
That's
fine
with
me,
and
rather
neutral
by
the
way,
so
we're
in
the
process
of
establishing
all
the
contacts
and
I'm,
not
a
strong
believer
in
liaison.
You
know,
I
can
imagine
sending
a
liaison
to
the
opendaylight.
People
will
laugh
at
it,
I'm
just
more
believer
in
to
building
bigger
communities.
So
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
right
now
and
this
hackathon
this
this
weekend
was
about
that.
F
F
F
F
F
Then
training
I
heard
many
times
that
we
need
training
on
that,
come
from
yang
and
at
different
level
right,
and
that
makes
sense
now
we're
working
with
this
group
on
having
a
training
online.
That
would,
you
know,
be
useful
for
multiple
audiences
first
one.
What
is
this
not
come
from
yang
anywhere
right,
I
heard
it's
cool,
it's
the
right
thing
to
do
these
days,
but
what
is
this
first
audience?
The
second
one
is
I
would
like
to
develop
a
yang,
a
young
model
right.
Can
you
help
me,
then?
F
The
third
one
is
coding,
I'm
coding
around
yang
models
which
libraries
choose
it
city
road
you
have
and
a
fourth
one
that
we've
been
discussing
here
today.
We're
with
gary
is
what,
if
I
would
be
someone
up
and
daylight,
and
I
would
like
to
you
know,
just
create
an
ITF
draft,
or
what
should
I
do
and
yan
will
be
discussing
that,
because
we
addressed
part
of
this
in
the
hackathon.
F
It's
the
project
started.
We
received
some
funding
to
just
get
some
professional
editing
of
this.
This
training
so
wait
and
you
were
going
to
see
that
and
hopefully
provide
feedback
we're
trying
to
get
like
a
training
that
could
be
extended
with
more
things
along
the
time
on
the
outcome
of
the
five
or
next
slide
now.
One
of
the
big
questions
is,
at
least
in
my
mind,
is
yes,
I
see
a
lot
of
yang
models
all
over
the
place
and
we
could
just
be
happy,
but
I'm
wondering,
are
we
actually
sun
rising
the
right
yang
models?
F
What
for
40
operators
right
so
I've
been
asking
some
of
the
operators
that
I
know
in
your
the
ITF
tell
me
which
one
you're
missing,
which
one
we
should
be
working
on
right
and
there
are
two
types
of
young
models:
the
the
one
at
our
services,
one
and
the
one
that
are
below
an
Orchestrator
right,
I'm,
mainly
interested
in
to
these
like.
Okay,
sure
we,
but
one
on
is,
is
and
one
on
ospf
one.
F
But
you
know
trying
to
identify
the
gaps
in
what
we're
doing
in
the
ITF
is
key,
so
typically
something
like
having
a
technology
and
and
this
RFC.
So
it's
not
really
useful
to
say,
support,
ipv6
right,
but
tell
me
I
would
need
to
have
the
configuration
state
and
the
personal
state
of
dat
privacy
and
then,
if
we
would
match
what
we've
been
in
at
the
beginning,
right
with
the
inventory
and
and
the
less
the
requirements
on
the
operators,
you
could
see
what
is
missing.
F
G
So
Eric
Ardmore
level.
Three,
can
you
go
back
to
your
previous
slide?
It
would
be
kind
of
cool
to
get
a
what
not
to
standardize
some
guidelines.
You
know
we'll
we'll
talk
about
this
with
your
services
thing
later,
but
I,
at
least
in
the
IP
MPLS
based
people
have
always
walked
this
fuzzy
line
of
trying
to
put
out
rfcs
for
features
that
don't
eat
interop,
and
now
I
can
see
people
churning
out
yang
models
for
things
that
don't
need
them
for
services
for
stuff
that
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
a
lot
of
us.
G
F
Fully
agree
with
that
that
you
could
go
back
to
the
outcome
to
I
think
now
it
was
the
three
them
number
three.
This
is
my
answer
exactly.
For
that
reason,
I
want.
You
have
etymology
like
what
is
network
service.
What
is
a
business
service
and
by
the
way
I
don't
believe
we
should
be
doing
any
business
service
model
in
the
ITF,
so
this
energy
will
help
me
discussing
with
different
SDOs
and
like
with
the
MAF.
They
have
a
different
notion
of
service.
F
B
Eric
Floyd
I
think
one
of
the
good
things
that
would
be
worth
while
adding
is
not
just
what
the
yang
model
is
and
out
of
it
and
how
to
use
it.
But
the
ideas
of
what
are
you
can
use
it
for,
for
example,
the
interface
model
there
are
so
many
uses
for
its.
Some
are
very
high
volume.
Some
are
very
low
volume.
Some
need
a
little
bits.
The
model
others
should
be
pushed.
B
So
while
we
can
come
up
with
the
models,
I
often
find
that
the
usages,
even
in
the
cross,
reference
that
you
had
before,
are
extremely
different
in
terms
of
volume,
scale
and
other
types
of
information.
So
it
would
be
helpful
to
the
operators
to
get
the
idea
of
when
you
had
like
a
model.
What
are
you
going
to
do
with
it?.
F
B
It
gets
back
into
the
difference
between
configuration,
data
and
operational
data
and
for
configuration
certainly
you're
going
to
have
expected
volumes,
and
even
then
you
know
for
ACL
configuration.
Sometimes
you
run
into
blocking
factors
of
how
many
acl's
you
can
add
or
move.
We
start
doing
things
like
hrs
with
actually
getting
the
route
updates
and
the
route
flaps
in
real
time
and
you're
expecting
that
out
of
let's
say
some
interface
and
routing
a
yang
model,
you're
going
to
get
a
lot
different
behavior
as
the
topology
changes
for
one
thing
versus
another.
B
F
And
I'm
next
to
and
what
we've
been
discussing
about
the
services
model
is
the
perfect
introduction
for
this.
It's
an
ad
three
VPN
service
model.
It's
a
new
working
group
l3
at
em.
One
of
the
question
I've
been
having
for
some
time
now
is:
should
we
solid
ice
service
gang
models
in
the
IDF
to
come
back
to
eric's
point
before
and
should
we
have
to
be
so
nice
any
service
young
model
at
all?
F
Now
what
we
did
on
the
next
slide
is
that
we
had
a
design
team
of
only
operators,
no
vendors
in
there,
and
we
asked
them.
Could
you
please
try
to
see
if
there
are
some
commodities
into
your
configuration
of
an
l-3
p.m.
right?
And
could
you
try
to
get
us
a
kind
of
information
model
in
whatever
text,
for
example,
and
they
work
together
with
for
x,
I
mean
bi-weekly
meetings
and
they
came
up
with
a
draft
on
this.
F
The
draft
is
there
and
they
produced
a
young
model
out
of
this
directly
in
two
and
half
months,
and
somehow
it
was
like
a
small
proof
concept
that
we
might
be
so
lysing.
Maybe
a
couple
of
services,
young
models
so
on
next
slide.
What
I
want
to
do
is
simply
highlight
a
few
things
on
the
Charter
and
explain
the
rationale
behind
us.
This
is
a
short
clip
working
group.
You
know
coming
back
the
first
question:
should
we
turn
thy
service
young,
madam
the
ITF?
Let's
try
fast
and
fail
fast
right.
F
If
there
is
no
agreement
amongst
operators
that,
or
at
least
no
acknowledges,
we
should
not
do
it
now.
So
it's
a
young
model.
It
described
an
ultra
VPN
service
model
that
can
be
used
for
coming
education
between
customers
and
network
operators.
So
one
of
an
operator
asked
is
own
customer.
Okay,
what
you
want
do
you
want
to
have
ipv4
ipv6
weeks,
topology,
tenants,
customers,
etc.
This
is
at
this
level
right,
nothing
else.
F
So
that
will
help
me
if
we
succeed
with
this
and
I'm
confident,
because
you
know
we've
seen
so
many
young
models,
but
somehow
the
challenge
we
have
right
now
is
that
they
must
work
together
and
we've
got
three
types
of
young
models:
the
one
that
are
the
services
between
typically
and
BSS,
and
an
OSS
/
controller
/
orchestrator.
Whatever
the
name
right,
then
we've
got
the
one
that
are
configuring
network
elements.
F
F
That's
why
this
LG
between
is
somehow
a
tests.
Can
we
have
like
this
at
VPN
service
model?
Do
we
have
all
the
building
block
that
we
need
in
configuring
the
network
elements
right,
and
that
would
be
a
good
test.
All
this
should
be
coming
together
with
the
topology
from
Mike
urs
in
orchestrator,
so
I
want
to
use
this
like
your
homework
like?
Does
the
ITF
do
his
homework
in
terms
of
having
the
right
yang
models,
solid
ice
and
next
one?
F
So
what
you
wrote
in
there
is
that
this
drug,
that
those
operators
came
up
with
should
be
consider
as
a
good
start
right.
I
believe
this
is
a
good
start
now.
I,
say
I
believe,
because
who
am
I
to
say
that
this
is
the
right
of
the
wrong
questions
that
those
operators
are
asking
to
their
customers
right
and
we
have
like
an
aggressive
milestone
when
I
see
what
has
been
done
in
three
months
with
this
draft
and
I
believe
this
is
a
very
good
draft
already
need.
Some
improvements
need
some
more
feedback
from
multiple
operators.
F
That's
for
sure,
then
we
want
to
just
say:
can
we
agree
in?
Let's
say
one
year
since
we
started
with
the
design
team
on
how
to
do
a
service,
we
fell,
we
fell.
That's
fine
and
we
want
you
any
service,
young
mothers
at
all,
no
big
deal
but
I
believe
will
succeed.
So
I
think
that
fits
so
any
questions
or
feedback
on
this
one.
Yes,
Eric
Eric.
G
Hosmer
again
sorry
I
mean
true.
Itf
fashion,
didn't
understand
this
and
didn't
like
it
at
the
same
time
spoke
out
against
it
in
that
confer
net
modern
out
whatever
was
I
unless
I
have
fewer
pitchforks
now,
because
it
makes
more
sense,
but
I
do
have
a
couple
concerns.
You
know
the
objection
I'd
made
the
other
day
that
I
don't
have
as
much
anymore.
Is
that
I
don't
think
the
ITF
should
be
in
the
business
of
service
models
right
we're
not
the
ITU
and
I,
don't
think
we
should
be.
G
But
the
other
thing
that's
going
to
stick
is
that
if
this
is
an
RFC,
especially
if
it's
a
proposed
standard
and
turns
into
standard,
then
it's
going
to
show
up
on
our
F
piece.
I
I,
don't
get
why
it's
a
proposed
standard
instead
of
experimental,
given
what
you've
described
and
it
would
be
kind
of
cool
if
it
had
something
in
the
top.
That
said,
this
is
not
the
model.
This
is
a
science
experiment.
You
know
something
like
that.
G
F
E
H
Stern
alcatel-lucent,
so
if
I
understand
correctly
in
your
classification
model,
the
you
were
that
then
Bogdanovic
did.
This
would
sit
up
kind
of
above
the
orchestrator,
not
between
orchestrator
in
the
and
the
nodes,
exactly
okay,
so
that
sounds
good
I
guess
the
other.
The
other
question
I
have
is.
It
sounds
like
the
right
group
of
people
to
work
on.
That
is
a
set
of
operators,
I
guess
I
I
would
one.
One
thing
you
would
probably
important,
though,
is
those
operators
are
actually
operating
services
using
a
wide
variety
of
vendors?
H
So
if
you
had
five
operators
involved,
that
sounds
like
it's
a
good
setup,
a
good
set,
but
if
they're
all
using
one
vendor,
for
example,
to
actually
implement
services,
then
the
model
may
not
represent
enough,
may
not
take
into
account
enough
variety
and
services
models.
So
I
would
just
encourage
that
group
make
sure
that
the
operators
have
a
variety
of
vendors
on
which
they've
implemented
services
in
the
network.
I
would.
F
Agree
with
that
now,
I've
got
a
question
for
you.
So
do
you
believe
that
the
operators
would
have
different
questions,
their
customers
whenever
enabling
an
l-3
VPN,
based
on
the
different
vendors
and
I,
don't
speak
about
like
the
secret
sauce
right
on
the
extension,
but
a
very
basic
atropine?
Do
you
believe
those
questions
would
be
different.
H
I
think
it's
influenced
by
how
different
vendors
see
and
construct
services,
so
I
think
I
think
its
a
mix
there's
definitely
stuff,
that's
just
purely
between
an
operator
and
the
customer,
but
sometimes
the
way
the
way
services
can
be
constructed
right
down
on
equipment
does
actually
flow
through
an
effect
thinking
about
how
services
should
be
modeled.
So
I
just
wanted.
E
A
E
E
C
Hi,
my
name
is
Nick
Teague
I'm
from
verisign
Kathleen
sponsored
are.
They
are
both
on
dots.
Dots
I
just
want
to
spend
a
few
minutes
here.
Just
to
raise
awareness,
really,
dot
stands
for
ddos
open
threat.
Signaling
our
goal
is
to
produce
a
standard
way,
it
sort
of
sits
between
the
security
and
the
ops
kind
of
areas.
C
We
wanted
to
produce
a
standard
way
for
devices
on
premise
d:
dos
devices
that
are
currently
sitting
in
many
people's
networks
to
be
able
to
communicate
up
to
other
devices
or
service
providers,
and
in
that
in
that
vein,
we've
created
a
a
draft
and
we
got
the
buff
going
and
from
the
ball
we've
decided.
We
obviously
have
the
main
lesson
from
that.
C
C
It's
probably
wasn't
very
clear
there:
it's
it's
a
from
a
customer
to
a
provider.
So
if
I'm
an
enterprise
and
I've
gone
out
and
bought
big
shiny,
DDoS
mitigation
box
number,
one
and
I
put
that
in
my
network,
then
I
can
only
choose
a
service
provider
that
also
uses
big
shiny
d.
Dos
providers
be
no
service
provider.
One
equipment
to
signal
to
if
I'm
using
another
one
I
have
two
completely
different
set
of
providers
that
I
can
maybe
go
to.
C
The
idea
is
to
open
that
up
so
that
if
I
go
and
buy
gonna
throw
some
brand
names
around
if
I
go
and
buy
an
arbor
I
can
talk
to
I,
know
verisign
or
Prolexic,
or
whoever,
if
I
go
and
buy
a
rad
where
I
can
talk
to
our
you
know,
so
that
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
to
try
and
break
that
vertical.
That's
currently
there,
where
you
have.
You
know
everything's
kind
of
all
in
a
row
all
the
way
down.
You.
C
D
dusting
yeah
that'll
be
the
next
thing,
but
but
then
again
you
know
so
that
you
know
we're.
Looking
is
it's
more
signaling
thing
with
this,
but
yeah
I
mean
eventually
somebody's
gonna
want
to
do
that,
because
it's
we're
gonna
be
we're
going
to
be
looking
to
export
telemetry
data.
You
know
on
the
attack
profile
just
so
the
provider
can
do
stuff
that
they
should
be
doing
I.
G
I
So
I'll
describe
a
few
projects
that
we
did
at
the
hackathon
over
the
weekend
of
the
hackathon
that
they
know
I
mentioned
in
his
talk,
the
first
one
that
we
did
or
that
a
couple
people
did
was
import.
The
IETF
syslog
model
into
open
daylight
running
on
Linux
and
have
actually
Linux
config
syslog
files
be
configured
over
neck
cones.
We're
basically
open
daylight,
acted
as
an
agent
for
alien
icebox.
These
are
the
developers.
There
are
four
guys
from
four
different
companies
that
in
itself
was
was
really
good,
demonstrated.
I
A
cooperation
of
different
people
from
different
environments.
Different
parts
of
the
world
are
getting
together
over
the
weekend
and
and
hacking
out
some
code,
and
the
goal
was
to
implement
the
proposed
yang
model
and
the
configuration
of
Linux,
and
it
was
done
as
an
open
daylight
project
and
it
was
implemented
in
Java
next
slide.
So
this
is
the
model
it
has
a
few
parts
for
configuring,
logging
actions,
console
logging
actions
following
actions
and
so
forth,
a
fairly
simple
model,
but
it
uses
some
of
the
advanced
concepts
that,
like
identities,
and
a
choices
and
so
forth.
I
I
Demonstrate
it
over
a
GUI,
adding
some
configuration
and
ensuring
it
in
the
configuration
file
and
the
results
are
in
the
hackathon
wiki
and
also
the
code
already
has
been
posted
in
tutorials
in
the
opendaylight
tutorials
repository.
So
it's
in
addition
to
being
unkind
of
useful
little
utility.
It's
also
a
great
example
how
to
import
models
into
open
daylight.
I
I
So,
as
we
progress
with
the
modeling
activities,
you
will
see
a
lot
of
automation
tools
emerging
both
an
open,
sir
and
probably
in
commercial
as
well,
that
can
generate
api's
rest
api
is
and
so
forth
out
of
models,
and
this
was
a
really
good
example.
When
you
take
a
model,
you
can
have
a
a
a
GUI
generated
out
of
that
immediately.
Usable
GUI,
right
after
the
bat,
then
write
a
single
line
of
code
for
the
GUI
next
line,
and
this
is
a
kind
of
a
neat
little
tool
that
just
again
built
into
open
daylight.
I
I
You
know
kind
of
one-shot,
see
a
structure
of
your
model
and
we
imported
a
bunch
of
other
models
as
well
like
the
open,
config
model,
it's
a
little
bit
more
complex
than
this,
and
also
can
again
start
using
some
of
these
tools
to
assess
the
couplings
and
bindings
and
relationships
between
different
attributes
and
different
containers
and
different
parts
of
your
model
in
in
11.
Big
picture
next
slide.
I
I
You
know
SDN
controller
and
then
mapping
those
devices
into
service
function,
chaining
or
in
the
inter-services
chaining
application
running
on
open
daylight
so
and
they
use
the
neck
count
devices
to
do
the
auto
discovery
and
the
mapping
and
again
like
they
manage
to
bring
the
whole
thing
up
over
the
weekend
and
demonstrate
it,
and
you
can
see
the
video
the
demonstration
on
this.
This
slide
here
looks
like.
I
So
the
starting
point
is
a
young
model
and
then
basically
create
all
the
boilerplate
text
for
a
new
draft
out
of
that
yang
model
and
again,
there's
there
a
couple
guys
working
on
this
over
the
weekend
and
they
demonstrated
a
nice
gooey
where
you
upload
a
young
model
and
out
comes
in
RFC
to
XML
a
template
out
of
it,
and
then
the
final
project
was
Benoit's
and
mine,
and
we
did
that
that
extraction
tool
they've
been
already
described
so
next
slide
next
slide.
The
next
slide.
I
Yes,
so
the
hackathon
overall
I
mean
there
were
in
addition
to
the
net
com
projects.
There
were
other
projects
as
well,
either
of
them.
Something
like
that
in
that
order,
and
it
was
a
great
success
and
a
lot
of
really
good
code
got
got
hacked
out
and
the
hackathon
will
be
repeated
at
IIT
of
93
in
Prague
on
the
weekend
before
ietf
and
again,
like
the
emphasis,
emphasis
will
be
on
open
source
and
standards
and
we're
open
source
and
standards
overlap
or
where
they
have
a
common
intersection.
A
F
D
J
E
D
E
A
A
Who
is
taking
minutes?
Would
you
mind
putting
up
a
hand?
Okay,
great
joel
is
as
well:
okay,
blue
sheets,
hopefully
those
already
circulating.
This
is
the
administrivia
section.
Then
we're
going
to
have
an
update
from
by
Chris
Grundmann.
Do
I,
have
your
slides,
okay,
great
and
then
cap
up
control
and
data
separation
from
what
you
provide
a
scenario,
a
quick
update
on
our
documents.
Since
the
last
meeting,
we
have
two
new
rfcs,
seven
working
group
documents,
one
of
which
is
active.
Two
of
them
have
completed
working
group
last
call
actually
that's
no
longer
correct.
A
The
char
to
usm
SNMP
is
now
with
the
is
geez
that
should
have
been
moved
down,
but
it
only
happened,
I
think
yesterday
or
something
so
I
didn't
update
the
slides.
The
MM
mabe
should
be
done
soon,
and
we
now
have
three
drafts
with
the
RFC
editor,
so
I
think
we're
moving
along
nicely,
although
not
sure
of
measuring
working
group
performance
by
the
number
of
documents
is
actually
a
useful
metric,
but
that's
what
we're
using,
because
it
works
well
and.
A
K
Okay
yeah,
so
if
you're
in
the
epi
I
apg
meeting
you've
already
seen
the
slides
at
least
and
really
what
I'm
doing
is
in
Honolulu
I
came
and
talked
about
a
survey
at
the
end.
I
society
did
yawns
or
talked
about
at
the
meeting.
Before
that,
we're
still
conducting
the
survey.
We
basically
went
out
and
surveyed
operators
all
around
the
world
and
ask
them
kind
of
what
they
knew
about
the
IHF,
whether
they
thought
they
should
be
participate
or
not,
and
then,
if
they
thought
they
should
and
weren't
why
they
weren't
I'm.
K
Rake
them
don't
understand
that
they
can
come
and
he'll
and
the
process
is
and
they
actually
can
come
participate.
So
one
of
the
first
kind
of
tangible
outcomes
from
that
survey
is
what
we're
calling
the
IETF
help
desk
I'm,
just
as
the
name
may
imply.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
provide
a
point,
a
physical
point
of
presence,
a
network
operator
group
meetings
around
the
world.
Where
folks
can
come,
ask
questions:
what
is
this
I
ETF?
Why
would
I
want
to
participate?
What
are
you
working
on
and
how
can
I
participate?
K
So
I
wanted
to
kind
of
read
back
a
little
bit
of
what
we've
seen
so
far.
We've
done
two
of
them
at
this
point
we
were
at
nanog
63
in
San
Antonio,
just
not
too
far
from
here
in
early
februari,
and
that
one
was
brought
out
at
this
point
called
really
successful.
I
also
had
a
nice
plenary
spot
first
thing
Monday
morning
to
talk
about
what
we
were
doing
and
this
results
of
the
survey
I
think
that
helped
quite
a
bit
and
then
the
board
and
Betty.
K
There
were
kind
enough
to
give
us
a
spot
kind
of
right
outside
of
the
plenary
hall,
so
we
had
lots
of
traffic
go
by
and
we
did
talk
to
quite
a
few
people,
many
of
whom
many
of
whom
came
up
and
said
what
is
the
site
yet
think
how
do
I
getting
started?
Where
do
I
start,
they
said
I
had
one
gentleman
came
up
and
say:
I've
been
reading
our
seas
for
15
years.
I
had
no
idea
that
you
know
I
could
come
help,
write
them
and
I
said
many.
Many
people
who
asked
how
do.
K
That
I
kind
of
want
to
read
back
up
is
I,
keep
saying
operators
and
that's
where
we're
focused.
My
focus
in
my
work
at
the
intersociety
is
on
operator
outreach
and
kind
of
pushing
technologies
out
to
the
operators,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
the
lessons.
We're
learning
here
could
play
and
developer
communities
or
the
DevOps
world
in
particular,
and
other
things
I
mean
really.
K
What
this
is
about
is
making
it
easier
to
come,
participate
in
the
IETF
partially
by
making
people
know
that
they
can
apricot
2015
was
held
in
Fukuoka
Japan
like
three
weeks
ago.
I
believe
I
probably
updates
up
there.
I
do
not
about
three
weeks
ago,
that
was
I
would
say
less
successful
arm,
mainly
because
it's
a
little
different
form
out
of
a
meeting.
It's
a
much
larger
meeting
as
many
meetings
kind
of
push
to
put
together
and
they
have
a
whole
set
of
sponsorship
boots.
K
They
have
a
kind
of
a
trade
show
floor,
and
so
because
we
want
this
to
be
more
of
a
community
effort
and
be
self-sustaining.
Over
the
long
run,
we
chose
not
to
put
in
money
and
be
a
sponsor
at
a
booth
in
that
area,
which
meant
we
kind
of
got
stuck
in
down
by
the
registration
desk
which
in
a
four-story
venue
where
all
the
meetings
were
happening
on
the
top
three
stories
being
on
the
bottom
floor,
didn't
help
with
traffic
very
much.
K
So
we
had
less
folks
come
up
and
ask
about
your
new
entry
and
the.
How
do
I
get
started
questions
then
we
had
at
nanog,
but
we
still
had
several
people
come
up
and
kind
of
want
to
talk
about
the
IETF
and
how
to
make
it
better
and
how
to
improve
things
and
it
became
it
still
was
a
good
place
to
hang
out
and
have
good
conversations.
K
Talking
about
these
issues
and
kind
of
reaffirming
that
what
we
got
in
the
survey
was
kind
of
a
correct
view
of
the
world,
which
is
that
you
know
the
the
things
we
saw
in
the
survey
are
true
and
got
every
confirming
that
again,
so
it's
good,
what's
next
I'm,
actually
leaving
here
to
go
directly
to
Dubai
for
the
Middle
East
network
operators,
group
meeting
and
we're
planning
on
having
a
help
desk
there.
These
heels
well
that'll
still
be
worked
out
kind
of
on
site,
but
that
should
happen
right,
70
I.
K
Don't
what
the
word
refused
to
be
seen
as
too
strong
I?
What
basis
going
on
there
is
we're
going
to
have
a
conversation
in
Amsterdam
about
how
to
move
this
forward
in
the
future.
They
again
are
kind
of
in
a
situation
where
they
have
paid
for
sponsorship
booths
and
they
don't
want
to
set
a
precedent
of
just
giving
away.
You
know
space
in
meeting
for
free,
so
we
need
to
work
out
how
this
could
happen
going
forward.
K
So
there
will
be
a
conversation,
but
there
will
not
be
a
desk
set
up
at
in
Amsterdam,
but
hopefully
maybe
in
the
future.
We'll
have
one
there
from
there.
After,
after
right,
70
I'll
be
going
to
Bangladesh
for
the
BT
nog
in
Dhaka,
and
we're
gonna
have
a
help
desk
there
as
well,
and
then
Dan
August
kind
of
seen
this
as
a
win-win
and
so
will
continue
doing
it.
K
I
actually
left
one
of
the
ITF
helped
us
banners
with
them,
and
so
this
will
kind
of
hopefully
keep
going
we'll
just
need
to
make
sure
that
it
volunteers
to
stop
the
desk
at
future
meetings.
San
Francisco's,
the
next
one
in
June
I,
put
a
couple
of
the
meetings
here
that
are
coming
up
and
really
again,
you
know.
The
hope
is
that
this
spreads
and
is,
if
it's
a
good
idea
that
this
spreads
and
happens
at
nogs
and
offs
all
over
the
world.
K
So
if
you
or
someone
you
know
a
colleague
is
attending
one
of
these
things,
it
looks
good
add
to
the
list.
We
can
help.
We
can
ship
you
out
ietf
journals
and
a
banner
and
help
with
the
logistics
of
coordinating
with
the
meeting
planner
and
get
these
set
up.
So
this
is
not
limited
to
me
flying
around
the
world,
hopefully
because
I
can't
do
any
more
of
it
than
I
REM
and
hopefully
can
do
a
little
less.
K
We
would
really
like
to
see
you
know
folks
who
go
to
both
the
IETF
and
an
operator
meeting
helping
out
with
this
effort.
So
you
know
there
is
also
there's
a
synergy
mailing
list
which
is
basically
to
talk
about
these
efforts
and
coordinating
that.
So,
if
you
want
to
join
the
list,
that'd
be
good
as
well.
K
In
addition
to
the
help
desk
itself,
there's
also
some
other
kind
of
semi
tangible
things
that
have
come
out
of
all
of
this
I
think
one
of
the
ideas
it
keeps
coming
back
up
and
that
I'd
like
to
see
happen
so
I'm,
just
kind
of
seeding.
This
idea
is
providing
ITF
updates
at
nog
and
other
meetings
again
developer
or
their
conferences
might
be
interesting.
Where
you
come
in
and
say
hey.
This
is
what
the
ITF
is,
because
we're
working
on
right.
K
Now:
here's
how
you
get
involved,
I'm,
actually
working
within
the
icing
into
society,
to
develop
a
slide
deck.
That
kind
of
covers
those
points
they
will
probably
make
publicly
available.
So
if
other
people
want
to
do,
it
will
have
speaking
notes
and
slides
and
you
can
just
grab
the
deck
and
go
forth
and
get
on
the
agenda
for
10
or
15
minutes
one
of
these
meetings
and
do
that
I.
Think
that
probably
really
good,
because
again,
I
think
one
of
the
base
problems
here
is
awareness.
K
Itf,
promote
hubs
is
another
idea
that
pops
back
up
every
now
and
then
I
know
the
folks
in
Latin
America.
There's
a
group
that
are
doing
this
already
and
that
idea
seems
to
be
a
good
one
and
something
that
may
work
in
other
regions
of
the
world
where
you
know
folks
can't
all
come
to
the
ITF
meeting.
K
They
may
be
good
to
come
together
and
you
know
have
hubs
or
your
kind
of
regional
meetings
where
they
listening
on
the
ITF
working
groups
and
have
local
conversations
and
local
languages
I,
don't
know,
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
that
could
happen
there,
potentially
we're
working
on
a
FAQ
for
technical
folk
there's
already
a
lot
of
interesting
information
out
there
for
newcomers.
I
have
spent
a
really
good
job
of
building
the
newcomers
page
as
a
video
there's,
a
dau
of
the
IETF.
K
The
inner
society
built
kind
of
a
general
frequently
asked
questions
for
kind
of
everyone
and
we're
trying
to
build
one
now
from
all
that
information
specific
to
operators
of
again
kind
of
how
and
why
to
get
involved
in
the
ITF
I.
Think
that,
as
the
ITF
website
redesign
happens
over
the
next
I,
don't
know
how
long
that's
going
to
take
those
things
usually
take
a
while.
But
if
we
keep
in
mind
this
idea
of
you
know,
Laurine
barrier
to
entry,
make
it
easier
for
newcomers
to
show
up
being
operator
and
developer
friendly.
K
So
we
can
get
back.
You
know
not
just
people
who
are
building
boxes,
but
people
who
are
using
boxes
in
here
that'd
be
good
and
then
also
kind
of
back
in
mind
thing
for
me
anyway.
Another
project
that
work
on
at
the
in
our
society,
which
I
think
plays
in
this
space,
is
the
best
current
operational
practices.
Efforts
that
have
sprung
up
all
over
the
world
and
I
think
that
that
might
have
a
way
of
bringing
operators
into
the
ITF,
folder
least,
making
them
more
aware
of.
K
What's
going
on
here,
how
the
process
works
and
may
help
to
again
get
that
kind
of
operational
check
on
I'm
standards
and
protocols,
as
are
being
built
out
and
I?
Think
yep
that
is
it
so
I
would
be
happy
to
take
any
questions
comments
or
you
know
further
discussion
of
this
one
of
the
big
things
here
is
again
this
kind
of
just
a
readout
of
what
we've
done,
but
we
really
want
this
to
be
an
ongoing
conversation
of
improvement.
E
Brian
carpenter,
I
just
thought
I
mentioned
that
he
had
you
team
today,
sort
of
invented
a
new
initiative
at
the
initiative
of
yari,
that
we
should
start
doing
basically
short
videos
of
this
that
and
the
other
around
the
ITF.
You
know,
rather
than
relying
on
traditional
long
slide,
decks
and
documents
for
everything
and,
in
fact,
by
happy
coincidence,
I
think
Benoit
is
going
to
be
the
star
of
the
prototype
because
they
were
already
planning
such
a
video
in
the
yang
space
and
I.
J
Lee
Howard
early
feedback
from
the
electric
hubs
seems
very
positive.
I've
been
on
the
list
for
a
few
months
now
the
IETF
blacklist
and
I've
just
seen
the
first
message
that
I
could
actually
read,
because
it
was
the
first
one
in
English,
because
I
asked
a
question
in
English
it,
but
feedbacks
been
positive.
Something
came
up
in
how
to
remember
where
it
was.
We
were
talking
about
how
network
administrators,
for,
like
enterprise
network
administrators,
use
some
of
the
same
tools
and
aren't
even
as
well
connected
to
us
as
attendees.
J
L
L
I'll
show
you
in
this
figure,
the
the
current
draft
is
only
supported.
For
example,
it
can
transfer
the
AR
one,
only
one
AR
IP
address
to
to
the
wtp
and
under
then
there
they
are
other
data
channel
data
channel
between
the
wtp
and
well
access
router
and
our
job
to
hear
you
try
to
extend
their
scenario
folder
for
the
multiple
operators,
for
example,
it
needed
to
set
up
the
setup
of
the
data
channel
between
the
wwtp
and
under
these
may
be,
for
example,
sri
accessor
alters
ok.
Next,
please.
L
After
that,
after
the
session
establishment,
then
the
wtp
will
establish
the
data
channel
a
between
the
between
between
the
accessor
altars.
So
here
up
to
the
WT,
we
have
the
address
and
then
the
channel
established
is
dominant
established.
Then
we
here
in
this
in
the
multiple
operating
scenario,
we
will
have
have
the
three
channels
between
the
wtp
and
Jos.
L
L
Actually,
here
it's
a
very
minor
change
to
their
current
to
left,
because
for
the
current
draft,
only
when
one
SSID
and
the
air
address-
and
then
we
extended
the
scenario
to
the
multiple
operators
in
rville,
so
their
only
changes
that
we
we
propose
to
that.
The
AC
wheel
will
provide
the
air
and
sssaid
associated
information
to
the
wtp.
Then
the
double
TP
to
use
this
information
to
exceptional
channels
with
different
art
is
different
as
belong
to
different
operators.
L
As
just
discussed
that
this,
the
current
draft
has
already
support
further
data
under
the
control
on
can
control
panel.
They
are
separated
under
then
the
will
TT
will
have
the
access
router
IP
address,
and
this
draft
is
we
the
change.
We
had
that
to
provide
the
multiple,
ssids
and
IP
address
I
IPO
judges,
though
we
think
that
it's
a
very
minor
change
to
the
currently
draft.
So
I
hear
I
want
to
ask
them
for
the
comments
and
shall
we
merge
with
the
car
in
the
draft
or
go
separately.
L
A
Actually
had
a
thing
on
that,
I
believe
that
the
cap
web
old
tunnel
draft
has
finished
working
group
last
call
and
I
think,
went
through
IETF
last
call
as
well,
but
it
does
seem
to
me
at
least
as
though
this
should
be
part
of
it.
So
I
don't
quite
know
what
the
process
is,
I'm
assuming
we
could
sort
of
pull
it
back
from
that
and.
D
D
A
D
D
E
D
D
Think
we
should
have
a
discussion
with
the
authors
of
the
current
document
because
it
does
sound
like
a
pretty
good
thing
to
to
consider
merging
them,
even
if
its
present
procedurally
inconvenient
the
you
know
we'll
do
what
you
have
to
I
mean
that's
and
I'll
support.
Whatever
decision
you
make,
but
we'll
double
your
pay
for
the
flexibility.
D
A
Anybody
anybody
alrighty,
we
are
ending
early
action
contre
what
time
we're
supposed
to
n
probably
live,
but
we're
ending
early
and
everybody
can
have
some
time
back.
Thank
you
very
much
and
whoever
took
minutes
for
the
first
part
of
this,
please
send
them
to
myself
for
Joel
and
while
someone
great.