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From YouTube: IETF95-REMOTE_HUBS-20160407-0830
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REMOTE HUBS meeting session at IETF95
2016/04/07 0830
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Okay,
first
of
all,
why
don't
we
start
with?
Why
don't
we
start
with
a
report
from
the
remote
hubs?
Listen
you
we
have.
We
have,
of
course,
people
from
Latin
America
people
from
India
who
have
hubs
already,
I.
Think
that's
it
right.
Nobody
else
has
hubs
already
good.
Maybe
why
don't
we
start?
We
do.
The
latin
america
is
the
is
the
host
so
crystianna.
It's.
H
H
Some
of
them
were
the
same.
That
beep
on
previous
meetings,
like
the
one
in
Mexico,
so
and
I
would
say
that
probably
half
of
them
are
new
locations
or
probably
more
than
new
location
and
they've
been
going
well.
There
were
some
emails
on
a
promise
with
the
restoration
or
problems
with
a
me
check
or
the
beginning,
but
nothing
major,
but
these
are
were
solved
immediately
and.
G
One
thing
I'm
interested
in
and
then
we
can
talk
about
you
guys
to
which
maybe
you
guys
don't
I
mean
I,
don't
know
what
you
guys.
Think
too.
It
would
be
super
interesting,
I
think
is
to
say
these,
and
maybe
it's
not
right.
Okay,
maybe
it's
not
I'll
just
say
it
is,
like
maybe
say
these
ideas
or
these
contributions
out
of
remote
hubs.
I,
don't
know
what
you
guys
soon
or.
H
H
That's
why
we
ended
up
having
many
more
remote
participants,
because
before
that,
we
shall
proceed
that
the
one
that
was
with
a
computer
and
not
the
ones
that
were
attending
oh
now,
we
ask
all
of
them
to
the
and
that's
why
the
registration
keeps
growing,
because
it
for
the
halves
that
are
having,
for
example,
patients,
yet
that
were
having
sessions.
Yesterday,
those
remote
participants
are
still
a
vehicle
when
they
attended
account
that
of
advanced.
It's.
I
I
People
coming,
which
is
great,
but
it's
it's
the
same.
People
are
gonna
say
all
people
is
the
same.
People
coming
it's
following
some
of
the
same
topics
as
well,
so
we
starting
to
see
some
continuity,
we're,
especially
at
some
of
the
universities
like
Mackenzie
in
Brazil,
that
they
keep
attending
the
same
working
groups
so
they're,
starting
to
form
a
community
there
that
you
know
they
can
talk
to
each
other
and
and
eventually
have
ideas,
and
hopefully,
contributions
as
well.
It's.
J
Hello,
so
it's
like
from
India
this
time
there
were
a
188
new
participants
and
out
of
268
those
registered
for
the
first
time.
So
that
is
what
happening
in
India
and
we
have
the
universities
and
institutions
which
are
really
want
to
participate
and
they
are
really
contributing
the
words.
So
you
know
the
activities
related
to
IETF,
but
now
they
are
understanding
because
of
only
of
the
remote
hubs
and
India
is,
you
know
very
huge
country
geographically
located,
so
there
are
around
13-14
remotes
of
throughout
the
India.
This
thing:
oh
it's!
J
J
A
like
the
problem
is,
you
know,
they
know
about
IETF,
but
how
you
know
the
working
and
for
the
beginners
it
said
you
know
it's
important
to
understand
how
out
ITF
works
and
in
the
working
group.
So
what
are
the
technical?
You
know
what
other
things
are
going
on
so
first
they
have
to
catch
up
with
this
and
after
that,
so
they
are
learning.
So
that
is
the
proper.
J
You
know
initial
problem
at
the
same
time,
for
example,
when
it
is
in
buena
sighs
the
timezone
gap,
so
that
is
again
one
of
the
problem
so
or
two
for
the
resolution
of
this.
We
have
divided
the
participation
into
two
parts
like
those
who
want
to
see
the
recordings
for
that.
I
have
contacted
the
micro
team,
so
they
can
record
the
you
know
sessions
in
time
and
after
that
they
are
giving
next
morning
and
I
am
sending
than
the
links
or
the
URL
so
that
they
can
watch
at
the
same
time.
Those
are
you
know.
J
G
J
G
K
L
Hi
this
is
drew
from
Huawei,
so,
apart
from
what
Harish
mentioned,
I
also
wanted
to
know
that
there
are
some
other
organic
ideas
of
doing
remote
helps,
maybe
between
not
focusing
on
the
University
side,
but
focusing
more
on
the
engineers
were
working
in
various
vendor
offices
and
who
do
not.
You
usually.
M
L
On
the
protocol,
they
are
the
implementers,
but
they
usually
don't
take
part
of
the
other
consumers
of
the
standards
mostly
so
we
want
them
to
be
involved.
So
that's
one
effort
we
are
doing.
We
had
a
much
better
session
in
Yokohama
this
time
because
of
the
time
zones,
and
this
this
time
we
are
taking
it
slow,
but
thanks
to
earlier
for
letting
her
set
up,
ITF
hub
bangalore
and
we
are
in
starting
the
process
early
on
to
make
sure
that
we
propagate
it
better,
have
the
right
set
of
people
involved.
L
M
L
Were
able
to
follow
what's
going
on
because
not
everybody
is
basically
the
implementers.
They
usually
focus
on
the
part
that
I
implementing
they
do
not
worry
about
the
whole
thing,
so
we
wanted
them
to
be
aware
of
what's
happening,
and
so
that
has
worked.
The
thing
that
we
want
to
work
more
on
is
how
do
we
get
more
people
involved?
Sometimes
what
happens
is
especially
the
implementers
if
they
are
implementing
one
protocol?
The
only
are
in
that
one
working
group,
and-
and
they
only
listen
to
that
one
mailing
list,
so
getting
all
the
people
involved.
L
So
somehow
in
the
idea,
we
have
to
make
sure
that
this
remote
hub
thinks
is
advertised
properly
people
who
are
not
in
the
ITF
attendee
list
and
otherwise
also
know
about
what's
happening.
So
what
we
have
done
is
at
least
to
the
vendors.
We
know
at
least
some
people
in
bangalore
working
for
each
company,
so
we
have
make
sure
that
they
tell
everyone
within
their
means.
So,
apart
from
the
ITF
channels,
they
are
already
doing,
but
through
the
IDF
channel.
Also,
if
it's
possible
to
advertise
this
bit
more
now,
we
have
three
months.
L
G
That,
let's
stop
for
a
moment
and
talk
about
a
marketing,
if
you
will
I
know
for
you
guys
for
the
lack
Nick
they
had
a
young
gal
was
doing
the
facebook
social
media,
outreach.
I,
know
I
sock
also,
did
things
I
wonder
if
that's
something
we
need
to
take
more
advantage
of,
at
least
that
to
start
with?
What
do
you
guys
think.
L
N
Done
like
or
maybe
have
a
Twitter
account
for
the
remote
hub
and
maybe
or
a
facebook
page
and
direct
people
towards
at
not
I,
don't
like
Facebook
as
much
because
no
Facebook
is
making
it
hard
for
people
to
get
update
from
pages,
but
Twitter
we
have
a
handle
and
then,
if
we
can
post
as
hubs
come
online
or
people
want
to
interact
with
that
handled.
That
would
be
one
way
of
marketing.
N
N
And
the
other
thing
is
that
if
people
want
someone's
really
interested
because
I
know,
at
least
in
bangalore,
there
are
communities
like
ovas
panel,
which
are
working
which
are
doing
really
really
great
work
in
the
security
space,
but
extremely
disconnected
from
ITF,
and
that
is
something
that
I
am
working
on
so
through
covered
the
corporate
and
the
engineers
and
harish
covered
the
academia,
but
also
people
in
the
community
who
are
in
either
of
these
categories,
but
not
completely
connected
with
the
ITF
community.
They
have
communities,
and
maybe
we
can
latch
on
to
that.
N
Maybe
have
a
meetup
and
there
are
tons
of
metal
cactus
in
bangalore.
I
know
that
tons
of
meetups
we
got
late
to
take,
so
we
can
call
co-locate
with
some
of
them
and
just
make
it
easy,
because
this
announced
and
then
maybe
they
can
teach
us
through
some
channel
and
we
can
kind
of
guide
them
to
set
up
a
remote
of
that
would
be
nice
yeah.
F
N
O
Greg,
what
I
saw
comms
work
with
idea?
I
IETF
does
have
a
Twitter
account.
I
would
say
one
of
the
things
to
consider
balancing
is
the
reach
to
new
audiences.
Twitter
provides
right,
so
people
who
you're
looking
to
engage
like
the
non-academic
operators
might
be
responsive
to
Twitter,
or
it
might
be
a
breaching
better.
That
way.
H
Something
we
learned
from
that
is
that
the
of
official
or
the
formal
arted,
something
that
it
all
always
been
discussed
is
not
something
that's
written
on
stone.
It's
something
that
so
sometimes
we
make
mistakes
and
we
correct
them
Rick
that
the
brand
things,
but
we
tried
to
follow
the
advices
that
we've
been
receiving
and
his
a
promotion
has
work.
It
really
well.
So.
G
G
M
O
L
Just
to
go
little
off-topic
to
the
social
media,
one
thing
which
I
think
work
very
well
in
other
contexts
is
how
the
open
source
do
work
like,
for
example,
in
open
source.
They
have
in
stock
of
meetups
in
India,
and
they
face
the
same
problem.
They
go
all
over
the
world,
not
everyone.
Who's
working
in
open
source
can
travel,
but
they
do
make
sure
that
they
have
these
meetups,
which
is
sort
of
officially
recognized
even
from
the
openstack
and
odl
and
other
cases
so
doing
and
they're
also
sometimes
specially
in
the
OTL.
L
If
you
take
an
example,
they
are
implementing
it's
a
protocol
and
if
you
want
to
hook
up
with
them-
and
maybe
one
day
have
talked
more
related
to
IDF
and
the
protocol
specification
rather
than
just
of
the
implementation,
so
I
think
we
have
to
adapt
and
stacie
from
the
Bangalore
and
India
concept.
We
thought
the
token
source
could
be
the
right
channel
to
advertise.
Itf
remote
obsessed,
let's
yeah,.
E
P
New
York
and
let
yeah
like
greg
was
Greg,
actually
said
sort
of
what
I
would
say,
but
I'll
sit
in
a
sense
that
you
know
for
any
of
these
remote
hubs
to
work.
It
really
comes
back
to
having
some
kind
of
you
know.
Communications
plan
around
who
are
you
trying
to
reach
and
how
will
you
get
to
them
and-
and
you
know
twitter
is
great
and
it's
really
actually.
Typically,
the
success
comes
from
multiple
channels.
So
it
is
it's
it's
it's
tweeting,
but
it's
also
having
a
Facebook
page.
It's
having
you
know
in
some
areas.
P
It's
a
presence
on
google+
and
some
areas,
it
might
be,
a
presence
in
a
you
know,
might
be
setting
up
a
group
in
we
chat
or
line
or
whatsapp.
You
know
so
there's
a
number
of
different
channels
and
ways
that
will
need
to
be.
You
know,
looked
at
for
the
various
different
audiences
you
know
in
in
some
parts
of
eastern
europe
there's
different
services.
P
You
know,
Russia
has
its
own
some
of
its
own
social
networks
and
pieces
that
are
there
that
may
have
wider
space,
as
does
China
as
other,
so
it
gets
I.
Don't
know
that
you
can
get
to
a
I,
don't
know
that
you
can
get
to
a
you,
no
prescription
other
than
to
say
that
you
know
groups
that
are
local
need
to
be
looking
at.
How
do
they
reach
to
those
those
the
folks
in
that
area
and
2?
I'm
sorry,
your
name
was
but.
H
P
I
mean
to
your
point:
you
know
there
are
certainly
in
many
areas
there's
strong
developer
groups
to
which
was
something
we
were
talking
about
in
the
context
of
the
hackathon
reaching
out
some
of
the
groups.
You
know
when
we
go
to
some
of
those
areas,
but
also
for
the
remote
hubs.
It
may
be
something
to
that
some
of
the
developer
groups,
the
other
place
that
are
out
there-
may
be
other
avenues
so,
but
that's
really
kind
of
that
stage
of
I
mean
I
think
to
me.
P
G
Right
right
in
a
totally
one
thing,
I
wanted
to
just
jump
in
and
say
before
what
about
this?
I
just
wonder
you
know
I've
always
been
thinking
about
IETF
outreach
is.
The
second
question
is
how
can
I
ETF
centrally
support
hubs?
You
know
so
that's
a
different
question
but
I
just
wonder
like
like
I'm,
I'm
working
with
this
pre
bsd
dude
and
he
goes
to
bsd
can
and
so
I
mean
you
know.
Might
it
be
interesting
to
have
a
boot
and
IETF
booth
at
like
bsd?
G
Can
you
know
that's
their
conference
because
you
know
a
lot
of
people
don't
know,
or
maybe
we
talk
about,
there's
people
doing
new
development
of
new
protocols.
Maybe
we
go
talk
at
BST.
Can
we
does
that?
Does
that
make
any
sense
to
anybody?
I
mean
I'm,
not
I
can't
approve
the
money
for
it,
but
you
feel
a
bit,
but
this
might
that
be
interesting.
Oh.
I
Gonna
be
next.
For
me,
this
is
a
little
thunder,
Cisco
I'm,
obviously
all
for
remote
hubs
and
telling
people
about
the
ATF
and
reaching
out
to
everyone.
You
want
I
think
that
that,
without
a
very
specific
concrete
plan
on
what
we
want
to
do,
we
need
to
differentiate
between
what
we
do
as
individuals
as
living
wherever,
as
you
know,
what
we
want
to
do
and
what
the
IETF
is
doing,
meaning
yeah
there's
a
very
fine
line
between
an
official
IETF
activity
and
an
informal
meeting
by
all
these
shops
or
informal
meetings.
I
M
G
M
M
The
consensus
comment
which
was
just
made
is
all
part
of
this,
so
I'm
still
not
sure
what
you're
trying
to
accomplish,
but
I
think
it's
very
important
to
differentiate
between
more
and
better
outreach
and
learning
about
the
IETF
and
active
participation
in
the
IETF.
Although
what
is
remote?
Oh
thank
you.
H
To
say
something
related
with
the
promotion
and
how
we've
been
doing
that
in
delegation,
but
it's
also
related
to
this
part
of
the
how
formal
they
are
yeah.
We
in
luck,
we've
been
extremely
flexible
on
the
foreman
of
the
wrong
house,
so
it's
more
what
the
local
organizer
wants,
instead
of
what
we
encourage
them
to
do
or
what
we
recommend.
So
in
many
cases
when
they
are
organized
in
companies,
they
don't
want
to
be
very
exposed
to
the
entire
CD
of
on
regarding
their
house.
C
H
Others
they
had
no
issues
from
being
on
the
list.
As
long
as
we
didn't
over,
promote
the
thing,
because
they're
meeting
room
was
small
and
in
all
of
the
cases
will
let
them
do
whatever
they
want
it
to
do,
because
we
so
far,
it's
not
something
official.
So
the
only
thing
we
want
is
for
them
to
remote
participate
in
a
more
comfortable
or
or
or
interesting
way,
instead
of
a
having
some
sort
of
procedure
or
wherever
Oh
a
point
back
to
John's
point.
It's
ours,
more
outreach
oriented
instead
of
a
GF
process,
oriented
sure.
O
Greg
wood
from
internet
society
and
I
just
wanted
to
observe
that
I
think
the
question
you
raised.
Nalini
is
really
interesting
question,
but
it's
probably
outside
the
scope
of
this
conversation
that
I
ETF
promotion
generally
is
a
really
big
topic,
but
with
respect
to
hubs,
I
think
it
probably
follows
the
general
approach
that
I've
served
sense
about
ITF
and
I.
Q
E
E
Q
E
Q
Q
Down
here
so
I
don't
reflect
yeah,
okay,
no
all
right
sure
on
this
for
it.
So
what
had
happened
is
folks
at
one
particular
company
named
Jennifer.
Yes
right
who's
occasion,
yeah,
that's
really
embarrassing
yeah.
They
have
a
little
involvement
with
the
ITF,
it's
yeah,
so
they
had
wanted
internally
to
set
up
a
video
conference
room
and
and
reserve
it
for
the
basically
one
room
for
the
five
days
so
that
their
members
could
commit
their
staff
could
come
in
and
out
and
then
what
happened
is
just
does
that
it
happened.
M
Q
O
M
Q
I
think
that's
also
probably
a
good
way
to
also
jumpstart
other
things,
but
just
get
some
of
these
other
companies
who
have
you
know
would
like
to
send
more
people
but
yeah
yeah
and
say:
hey,
look:
why
don't
you
host
one
in
your
company
and
expect
a
few
visitors
to
come
in
and
they
can
register
ahead
of
time
and
so
on?
Yeah.
G
A
P
Yeah
stay
in
New,
York
and
because
I've
been
remote
a
number
of
times
it's.
Why
I
champion
some
of
these
things
in
jabber
and
stuff
like
that
and
looking
at
the
list
of
who's
there
and
seeing
Dave
Crocker,
who
is
often
at
these
mics
but
I,
see
him
remote
there
and,
of
course
John
and
on
others
who
are
tuning
into
this?
I
think
the
remote
experience
certainly
does
make
you
realize
how
far
we've
come,
but
yet
still
how
far
we
have
to
go.
P
P
If
you
can
establish
that,
then
you
can
look
at.
How
do
you
do
the
outreach,
some
of
which
can
be
social
media,
some
of
which
can
be
you
know,
groups
like
Internet
Society
chapters
in
that
area
or
region
or
developer
groups
or
other
folks
are
in
that
area,
but
I
get
so
one
question
is
you
are?
Is
there
an
effort
to
capture
that
some
of.
G
G
P
I
think
you're,
probably
better
at
the
I,
mean
I'm
on
the
V
meatless,
so
I've
seen
them
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
read
all
to
be
honest,
I
think
you
can
do
it.
Certainly
the
main
ITF
list,
but
I
know
that
the
volume
of
mail
there,
you
know,
precludes
many
of
us
myself
included
from
reading
it
on
any
kind
of
ongoing
basis.
We.
G
Could
you
know
yeah?
Well,
you
know
what
we
did
I
novi
meet.
You
know
we
yep
v
me.
It
might
be
a
place
that
we
all
can
just
go
to
and
everybody
can
can
do
that
as
I
say,
we're
we've
got
to
the
main
one
and
the
Latin
American
one
and
the
one
from
India
were
in
process.
We
are
actually
now
or
do
you
have
a
template.
I
know,
I
was
yakking
to
rich
about.
You
know
I'll,
give
you
guys
the
template
and
then
you
guys
fill
in
like
kind
of
what
you
did.
G
I
mean
it
template
in
the
sense
of
this
is
the
history.
These
were
the
you
know,
various
things
yeah
and
then,
as
people
come
in
and
as
we
learn
more
for
exactly
the
reason
you
said
for
community
mammary,
so
we
don't
have
to
reinvent
the
wheel
off
the
top
and
fifty
raptured
but
ya
toda.
That
effort
is
underway
and.
P
To
John,
I
would
just
say
you're
absolutely
right
in
this
world
iya
and
pieces
like
that,
are
we.
It
sounds
like
we're
dropping
out
we're
getting
dropouts
on
here,
but
so
in
this
world
we're.
Certainly,
we
are
certainly
in
a
world
where
things
have
to
be
drilled
down
and
you
and
myself,
Dave
Crocker,
some,
the
others
of
us
who
tend
to
write
longer
at
times,
are
always
being
challenged
to
remedy,
but
also
to
the
point
we
are
saying
there
in
all
of
the
communications
work
that
we
do
certainly
within
the
Internet's.
P
I
knows
a
lot
of
what
we
do
in
that
space.
John.
Is
we
try
to
use
the
social
media,
others
to
drive
people
back
to
places
where
we
can
have
longer
documents
and
longer
pieces
where
people
can
understand
more,
but
there's
a
whole
separate
discussion.
I
think
greg
was
right.
We
need
to
split
the
discussion
about
ITF
promotion
and
stuff
and
park
that,
because
that's
a
whole
other
topic
that
at
some
point
we
could
have
a
bond,
but
really
more
of
how
do
we?
G
No
I
think
that's
great
okay.
So
now
this
is,
what's
you
know?
What's
existed,
you
know
who
what's
been
done?
One
of
those
super
interesting
things
that's
happening
now,
of
course,
is
well
Philippines
I'd
be
real
interested
in
exactly
what
stage
they're
out
but
I'm
in
touch
with
a
meal.
Yeah,
Amelia,
yeah
I.
Think
you
guys
a
lot.
People
probably
know
her
cuz.
I
know
it's
and
it's
not
just
the
Philippines
as
Indonesia
Philip
Hammond
she's
got
a
lot
of
islands,
whatever
I
don't
envy
her,
but
the
other
one
is
super.
G
Interesting
is
Russia.
You
know,
I've
been
talking
to
the
Russian
people,
especially
here,
and
that
might
be
super
interesting
and,
of
course,
Africa
is
its
own
problem.
I
mean
I
mean
everything
it
not
only
problem
I
mean
everything
has
their
own
issue
every
region.
So
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
sort
of
trying
to
get
down
here.
R
G
It's
a
super
hard
to
do
this
with
one
person
it's
super
hard,
I
mean,
and
so,
if
you
have
maybe
three
people
at
a
minimum,
three
people
who
are
the
core
group
of
leaders
and
then
you
know
you
can
balance
each
other
so
that
well
let
me
go
through
this
and
then
let's
get
up
in
comment.
Okay,
other
thing
that
I
think
you
guys
have
all
done
is
work
with
the
you
know,
whoever
your
diaspora
is.
A
G
Know
the
the
Indian
non-resident
Indians,
the
people
in
Latin,
you
know
or
wherever,
and
that
has
been
I,
think
real
helpful
I
mean
that's
just
my
sense
of
what's
happened,
existing
authors
who
are
either
in
country
or
again
in
the
Diaspora.
Having
that
those
people
come
to
meetings
and
nurture
people
that
seems
to
have
been
helpful
as
support
from
the
RIR
and
it
I
think
for
lack
Nick
and
also
nixie.
Of
course,
our
wishes
from
Nick
see
that
seems
to
have
been.
G
You
know
it
real
valuable
to
have
that
a
support
from
I
sock
depending
on
what
it
is
and
then
support
from
IETF
those
it
so
as
I
say
again,
I'm
just
thinking
like
if
I'm,
if
I'm
gonna
talk
to
Russia,
I'm
gonna,
say
guys,
look
or
there's
the
gentleman
here
that
we
can
maybe
entice
to
starting
out
hub
in
the
United
Kingdom
and
them.
So
you
know
it's
like
these
are
the
kind
of
things
you
might
want
to
consider
so
comments.
I
I
When
we
found
out
that
we
might
be
coming
to
and
sinus
we
started
say
we
need
to
tell
people
about
the
ATF
and
one
day
we
were
walking
down
the
street
in
Brasilia,
and
we
said
well,
wouldn't
be
nice
if
people
could
attend
all
this
stuff
remote
and
how
about,
if
we
start
talking
to
people
and
getting
them
in
their
places,
so
we
started
learning
the
hubs.
What
I
mean
saying
all
this
is
that
we
never
had
an
objective
to
do
house.
I
We
had
an
objective
to
spread
the
word
about
the
ATF
and
how
to
participate
in
it
and
what
we
deal
wit,
cetera
right
and
then
eventually
in
and
yes,
we
had
local
people.
We
had
people
who
write
brass.
We
had
people
from
the
region
to
live
other
places.
Black
live
did
a
lot
of
sport.
I
struck
the
last
report.
We
managed
to
convince
people
from
the
ITA
leadership
and
our
place
to
go
down
and
talk
to
right
to
show
their
faces,
etc.
I
So
all
that
stuff
happened
not
because
we
wanted
to
do
a
hug
right,
BB,
and
so
the
other
nation
I'm
saying
all
this
is
that
the
hub
in
Boston,
for
example,
I
me
that
there's
probably
a
lot
more
current
ITF
participants
there
than
any
of
the
hubs
in
letting
America
together
right
and
so.
In
other
words,
the
the
objective
of
that
hub
is
different
than
the
other
hunts
right.
So,
for
example,
they
might
not
need
all
this
stuff
because
they
already
self
motivated
to
participate.
I.
G
Till
I
think
what
what
you're
really
saying
is
like
if
I
might
is
like
this
is
actually
how
to
bring
IETF
to
a
new
region
and
the
reason
I
say
remote
hubs
is
because
people
can
focus
on
it.
It's
very
concrete
and
really
what
you're
doing
is
spreading
the
word
about
IETF
and
getting
more
contributions
from
that
area.
But
if
people
can
say,
oh
we're,
building
a
hub,
it's
something
concrete
that
they
can
get
their
heads
around
right.
I
G
No
I
know
I
beauticians,
like
is
it's
a
more
amorphous?
It's
like
spread
the
word
about
IETF
and
it's
like
people
are
like
well,
yeah
I
have
this
talk
and
then
people
know,
but
if
you're
gonna
be
like
well
we're
having
this
remote
hub,
it's
like
it's
like
you
got.
You
got
a
party,
you
know
we're
doing
this
party
everybody's
invited,
and
so
then
people
show
up.
So
it's
a
cut
its
a
more
concrete
thing.
If
I
don't
know,
if
I'm
making
sense
to
anybody.
O
R
H
G
Mean
I
think
it's
getting
very
because
I'm
as
I
said,
let
me
I'll
take
the
case
of
you.
Know
one
region
that
I'm
working
with
their
rir
is
actually
willing
to
fund.
You
know
people
to
come
over
and
talk
to
their
region,
which
I
actually
support,
because
it's
an
under
I
mean
it's
a
region.
We
don't
have
very
many
people
from
and
so
that
I
totally
support
that.
G
H
But
that's
probably
different.
We
have
supported
many
people
coming
to
region
who
to
promote
the
share,
the
IDF
to
engage
it.
They
get
talks
at
universities
so,
but
that
was
in
advance.
That
was
before
the
ATF
we
tried
to
promote.
So
we
we've
got
a
mailing
list
because
of
all
those
events
and
undies.
For
those
cases
we
reported
funded,
they
did
browse
for
those
ID
efforts
that
were
willing
to
help
us
on
that
outreach.
But,
as
we
already
have
the
community
or
the
remote
has
themselves
with,
there
was
nothing
needed.
Just
the
coordination
right.
G
N
Commented
and
what
I'm
hearing
from
the
lack
Nick
community
as
well
so
I
feel
that
in
India
we
are
actually
doing
using
the
hub's
as
a
dual
purpose.
One
is
obviously
to
spread
awareness
of
the
ITF
in
I,
see
that
in
latnok
they
have
already
done
that.
Why
other
channels
and
and
the
reason
possibly
for
that-
is
that
at
least
in
bangalore
and
some
other
cities.
We
know
they're
already
communities
that
are
implementing
standards,
but
they
don't
know
that
they
can
actually
contribute
to
a
standard.
N
So
he
has
large
community
of
developers
like
that,
and
idea
is
that
if,
if
there
is
some
way
we
could
channel
them
through
the
remote
hubs,
then
they
can
understand
that
it's
possible
for
them
to
actually
contribute
to.
The
idea
of
why
are
the
mailing
list
not
necessarily
transferred
comment
as
through
eyes,
open
source
contributions
or
why
implementation
reference
implementations
our
comment
on
other
drafts
or
attend
remotely
right,
so
this
there's
a
huge
amount
whose
developer
community
that
is
doing
all
of
this
work,
and
that
is
today
I
believe
extremely
disconnected
yeah.
N
F
J
In
terms
of
support,
we
are
also
planning
a
setup
of
permanent
hub
with
the
nixie
office,
with
all
the
hardware's
and
all
the
requirements
so
buddy
anybody
could
come
in
like
this
room's
it
and
see,
but
is
happening
at
the
same
time
converse
in
both
the
direction.
So
that
is
what
also
planning-
and
it
is
about
to
you
know
we
will
complete
it
within
two
or
three
months
that
that's.
G
It
that
is
a
great
segue
that
you
know
what
I'm
gonna,
okay,
a
minute,
wait
a
little
bit
to
something
that
is
a
great
segue
one
of
the
other
things
I
wanted
to
talk
about.
Okay,
there's
two
things
that
were
starting
in
the
mentoring
program
and
then
the
ideas
actually
came
from
the
mentees
themselves.
G
Not
my
ideas
me
know
the
young
people
said
we
knew
we
would
like
this
and
and
if
we
can
change
the
name
I'm,
just
we
just
put
out
this
name
and
we
thought
first,
one
we
call
preschool
and
basically
the
idea
is
is
like
people
don't
know
how
to
you
know
they
have.
An
idea
is
very
hard,
just
if
you've
never
written
a
draft
before
to
get
start
and
get
going
on
it.
You
don't
even
know.
Maybe
if
your
eye
is
is
crazy.
You
know
it's.
G
If
you
have
some
other
people
that
are
working
together
is
a
lot
easier
and
maybe
even
you
get
a
the
the
germ
of
the
idea.
You
flesh
it
out
talk
to
the
working
group
chair
whatever
and
say
it's
worth
following
up,
but
basically
the
idea
is
we
can
just
set
up
webinars.
You
know
everybody
gets
you
get
five
minutes,
two
slides
and
you
don't
have
to
have
a
draft.
You
just
talk
about
your
ideas.
You
say
I
have
an
idea
in
I
ppm
for
this
and
you
have
to
be.
G
You
know,
state
it
pretty
succinctly.
Other
people
are
listening,
they
have
you
have
five
minutes,
ten
minutes
for
questions
and
then
you
can
say
sure
sure
I,
like
your
idea,
I'll
be
willing
to
be
co-author.
So
then,
ideally
at
the
end
of
it
you
form
a
team
and
then
you
guys
go
off
and
work.
If
you
need
a
mentor
to
help
you
work
on
it
great.
G
You
know
we
can
find
one
for
you,
but
especially
if
you're
saying
you've
got
an
ongoing
system,
because
you
know
the
whole
thing
with
you
know:
I'm
yammering,
about
webinar
webinar,
this
webinar.
That
or
is
it
can
be
hard
to
even
get
the
connectivity
to
attend
the
webinar.
You
know
even
Skype
calls
you
know.
I'm
trying
to
do.
Skype
calls
even
to
Europe
Europe.
G
Sometimes
you
know
it
fails,
it
fails,
and
so
so
let
me
stop
now
and
see
if
you
know,
maybe
because
what
I'm
thinking
is
of
course,
will
will
be,
for
you
know
I
can
send
295
first
timers
95
attendees,
you
know
so
on,
but
will
this
be
something
that
your
remote
hub
can?
Do
you
think
it's
interesting
and
do
you
think
your
people?
You
know
people
might
be
interested
in
joining
such
a
webinar.
Maybe
once
every
two
months.
M
I
G
G
You
know-
and
you
say,
yeah
I'm
totally
interested
in
this
idea
for
Sdn,
for
example,
because
then
what
you
get
is
different
perspectives.
It's
and
I
I
tell
you
for
new
people.
What
I'm
trying
to
do
for
in
in
terms
of
mentoring,
is
break
down
the
barrier
to
entry.
There's
some
pretty
huge
barriers
to
entry
and
I've
got
some
kids,
who,
frankly,
are
following
me
around
right
now
and
saying:
when
are
you
doing
this?
G
H
Yes,
what
what
I
think
that
I
will
change?
That
is
that
halves
is
a
component
from
an
oral
project
where
the
mailing
list
is
an
hour
component
and
depressed
cool
couldn't
be
an
hour
component,
so
they
are
components
of
the
outreach
effort.
Whatever
we
want
to
call
it,
it's
not
that
everything
is
related
with
the
hubs.
Perhaps
it's
just
a
small
piece
on
and
they
can
have
the
best
school,
the
mailing
list
and
the
other
are
not
the
house.
Oh
yeah,.
G
G
R
G
G
I'm
actually
on
the
edge
of
committee
when
I
get
a
chance
to
attend,
but
this
is
different.
This
is
we're
gonna
well
and
well.
First,
let
me
tell
you
Miriam,
it
I
mean
we
try
to
work.
I
I
can't
be
egged
you
on
everything,
I'm
actually
on
the
Edgar
Committee
trip,
and
we
try
to
work
very
very
closely.
This
is
to
write
a
draft.
This
is
not
a
tutorial.
This
is
like
I
got
a
new
idea
for
a
DNS.
You
know,
god
knows
what
all
you
know.
I
mean
all
I
want
to
do
that
yeah.
G
P
I
guess
then
I'll
just
talk
about
this
here
too,
I
think
those
are
excellent
ideas
and
things
but
yeah.
I
would
park
that
and
say
that's
separate
from
the
remote
hub
idea.
If
the
idea
of
this
is
to
look
at
how
do
we
engage
people
in
Rhode
hubs
during
the
actual
ITF
meetings
to
facilitate
that
I
think
that
would
be
the
focus
area
that
would
be
good
to
not
stay
focused
on
what.
G
Yeah
well,
I
think
what
I
might
do
I'm
get
cuz.
These
are
going
to
be
under
entering.
What
I
can
do
is
I
can
email
you
guys
and
say.
If
you
guys
would
like
to
participate,
would
like
to
publicize
the
webinar
that
the
IETF
mentoring
is
gonna
have
have
at
it,
but
it
is
totally
different
thing.
Is
that
sound
right,
yeah,
okay,
okie
dokie,
Greg
Greg.
O
What
internet
society
complete
outsider
a
newbie
here,
but
I
think
that
it
I
would
just
echo
with
dan
has
said,
is
that
I
think
I
think,
actually,
from
the
outside
perspective,
someone
who's
new
doesn't
care
what
the
source
is,
but,
but
once
you
understand
a
little
bit
it
and
to
your
point,
nalini
it'd
be
really
good
to
be
super
coordinate
with
the
edgy
team,
because
their
Charter
is
to
do
exactly
what
that
sounds.
Like
really.
O
Be
help
participants
be
more
effective
in
the
work
of
the
idea.
That's
their
draft.
So
that's
the
Charter
which
I,
presumably
including
running
a
draft,
so
I
mean
I,
don't
think,
there's
turf
wars
here,
but
I
think
from
an
outside
perspective.
It's
just
important
to
be
a
coordinated
because
it
can
get
confusing
otherwise.
Well.
G
N
G
G
This
is
one
that
the
reason
I
bring
up
sister
hubs
is
because
for
some
of
the
newer
hubs
that
are
forming
they,
actually,
you
know
it.
I
almost
feel
like
it's
kind
of
like
an
adoptive
hub
thing.
Some
of
you
guys
who
are
more
experienced
and
maybe
who
even
have
more
experienced
participants
some
some
other
regions
of
the
world
could
use
a
little
helping
hand
and
that's
the
only
thing
the
reason
I
bring
it
in
yeah.
P
Think
the
first
thing
Dan
York,
the
first
thing
you
need
to
do
is
get
you
know.
We've
started
to
get
hubs
going
and
right
now
this
the
stage
is
that
you
know
start
to.
You
know,
lay
out
the
ideas
of
what
works
for
the
plans.
The
drafts
are
out,
there
start
to
encourage
people
to
to
create
hubs,
and
it
may
be
that
I
don't
know.
Is
there
a
mailing
list
for
the
leaders
of
individual
hubs
is
one
of
those
yet
well.
P
An
identified
leader
for
each
hub,
so
there's
somebody
for
Boston
for
Bangalore,
for
whatever
you
know
each
of
the
different
areas.
You
know,
if
you
have
those
people,
you
know,
for
you
know,
ITF
96
is
coming
up
and
so
for
everybody
who's
going
to
do
a
hub.
You
get
them,
get
the
main
contact
or
contacts
I
mean
it
can
be
whatever.
However,
many
people
are
there
get
them
onto
a
mailing
list
where
they
can
then
be
aware
of.
What's
coming
up
and
potentially
they
can
then
share
with
each
other.
What
are
we
doing?
P
P
The
hub
program
from
the
center
part
can
be
able
to
reach
out
to
those
remote
hubs
and
let
them
know
I
see
Alexis
here
she
could
be
able
to
go
and
email
out
to
the
hubs
and
say:
hey
we're
going
to
be
doing
a
test
of
remote
software
at
this
particular
time
or
something
and
be
able
to.
Let
them
know
what's
going
on.
P
You
know,
with
with
the
live
streams
that
we
do
through
YouTube,
that
I'm
sending
out
to
the
attendees
and
stuff
I
could
send
it
out
to
the
remote
hubs
and
just
make
sure
they're
aware
that
on
these
particular
days
above
and
beyond
me,
dekho
will
also
have
these
particular
live
streams
that
they
could
use
if
they
want
a
higher
definition.
You
know
video
stream,
that
type
of
thing
so
I
think
having
that,
if
you
have
somebody
identified
for
each
of
those
hubs,
this
sister
hubs
idea
will
kind
of
naturally
come
about
organic.
A
H
P
P
G
H
Yes,
in
our
case,
we
do
create
that
list
for
each
meeting,
because
not
all
the
previous
scoffs
always
organize
a
new
one.
We
tried
to
update
at
least
and
not
send
image
to
everyone,
but
a
yes
in
our
case,
as
I
said,
the
Lord.
The
hours
are
very
simple
like
why
there's
no
need
to
coach
among
them,
because
yeah
yeah.
S
E
F
G
G
Everybody's
email
anyway,
but
maybe
just
sign
real,
quick
and
then
at
least
I,
can
send
the
minute
Michaels
been
taking
minutes.
We
can
send
the
minutes
out
and
action
items.
So
if
we
left
anything
out
then
then
we
can
do
that
and
then
you
know
and
I
suppose,
yet
that
the
leaders
list
is
an
interesting
one,
I
mean
it
or
whatever,
because
we
need
to
have
more
discussions,
because
probably
anybody
who's
interested
in
the
growth
of
room
me,
like
maybe
everybody,
wants
to
sign
and
just
look,
you
know
see.
What's
going
on
yeah
the
Irish.