Internet Engineering Task Force 96, 22 Jul 2016

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NTP TICTOC meeting session at IETF96
2016/07/22 1220

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And if you are here, can you come like to the like the first couple rows or something just come up close because there's only going to be four or five.

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So can you go down to charlottenburg 23 and see if they, the wall, icons that we're doing the anti-troll are down there? So so we were originally scheduled here. Yeah. Can you go down and see if any of for the huawei gentlemen, who were working on yang tick-tock, her down.

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ah Wasn't some people mr. I yeah? They said they were here, but I don't see them if you just yeah I just bring them up here. If they're down there.

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But what she let it go.

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You I'm not going I, don't have a second person, so I'm not going to be able to monitor jabber and do the presentation. Oh yeah,.

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Ok, so that's for ya: ok, we're going to go ahead and get started. um This is the last session of ITF 96. This is the MTP tick-tock working group. Oh.

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This is a much bigger crowd than I expected exact. Actually I was expecting like three or four of you. As I said on monday, this is our note. Well, everybody understands with Noel is oh.

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This one makes sense this one's perfect.

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Yeah I see it now. Oh.

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But I exited didn't I. Let's put that button did really.

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See I don't see it either below there. It is oh.

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Maybe I should put my glasses on okay, so this is a note. Will now that we've seen several versions of it. The agenda for the week I.

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Ok, gender. For the week we covered all the ntp items on monday.

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We have, I want to remind people we're talking about scheduling an ntp face-to-face interim, probably in the October time frame, to deal primarily with the ntp security stuff and also the potential to be CP, and the agenda for today is to talk a little bit about the tick tock working group status, talk about the yang data module model and the what we want to do next, with the scalable synchronization Network work and then I wanted to step back briefly and talk about the mid. So right now and I see ya. Cough is online.

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The one thing that I had left off the agenda was next steps for the MPLS draft mpls over 1588 draft, so maybe we'll bring that up at the end Jack over here, if you're actually online and can hop into the speaker queue at some point. That would be useful.

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So I'm working group status, um so we have a a 1588 version to mid and it has gone all the way through working group last call and it's with the iesg, and there is a.

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Okay, so the myth has gone through the iesg and it is, there is a in the last call process. There was a question raised about copyright questions about how much material is from I Tripoli 1588, that's repeated in the mid.

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This was a question that I had told you might be resolved by today, but it has not been. There is a triple the ietf coordination group. They are addressing the issue and I think we're going to be scheduling a conference call in the near future, but that one should be really close to done. The only remaining issue beyond some editorial updates is to resolve this issue of how we proper do properly deal with the copyright. I.

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Think part of the issue is because I triplet 1588 is not I triple e a tattoo, and so we we have fairly refined processes for dealing with I trow prieta too, but not necessarily 1588. So the next thing is the yank data model. There are no updates to the ending data model. The question there is also around.

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How we work it's also currently a little bit in a holding state, as we clarify how we work between ITF and I, tripoli 1588, with the intention being that the yang model would be developed and it would for 1588 version 2, and then it would transition to 1588 for development of a yang module for version 3 and beyond, and we also scoped the 1588 version to version of it to be specifically to model. Only. The data sets in the version 2 model in the version to specification of 1588.

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So I don't know if any of the authors of that are here at this point, I.

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Don't see you so, and we also have no update on that. I think that the resolution of those two issues are a little bit beyond the scope of this working group. So we need to work with the IETF and I Triple E 1588 leadership to make sure that we have the processes in place that will enable us to do that transition. So there's nothing more to report on that work this week.

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So the next thing on the agenda was a discussion of the scalable synchronization networks effort, and this was brought to the tick-tock working group a couple of I 80s ago. Then we established a mailing list, separate IETF mailing list to talk about.

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To further refine the problem statement are the authors of those documents here.

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Thought one of them was going to be here.

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Okay, I, don't see any of the authors here. I think that, to a certain extent that answers part of my question about whether the tick tock working group wants to adopt this work or not I. Think at this point we do not have consensus to adopt it. It needs to be much more fleshed out.

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Are there any? Is there any discussion about developing this work? Let me ask this question: how many people have read the original scalable synchronization network drives one.

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Yay Brian how many people are aware of the fact that we have a separate mailing list to discuss scalable synchronization networks.

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How many people have subscribed to that mailing list.

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Now that I mention it you'll subscribe to it. Okay,.

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Well, what I would really have working group consensus not to do this work at this time which I'm go ahead? Brian I will.

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Not say anything that discriminates against short people, Brian Haberman, so the last thing I remember about the discussion of that scalable synchronization network I I, want to say it was Benoit was kind of looking at it from an operational point of view, and the question was really is this a protocol issue?

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Is this really just a network management issue, so I would recommend that you talk to your ad to talk to the ops, 80s and figure out if they decided, if that was true or not, but I tent I tend to agree based on what I've read that that this is not a protocol issue but say it's.

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An opposite entrant issue: okay,.

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That simplifies that so the last thing on the agenda for this week, this is making me feel I hope none of you stayed specially for this meeting. I did warn somebody you could leave early. So the next question is the we've talked several times about the merging of ntp and tik-tok into a single working group. We will be doing this. We have been strongly encouraged to do this and I think it only makes sense. I have just a couple of just a sense of the room types of questions.

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We is there on any strong feeling about whether to leave the ntp working group or to create a new working group that merges the two did. Other any point: do people out there say any confusing the community issues a soundless around that.

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It seems to me make sense at the time working group, then all matters related to time. Technologies would have a home and you wouldn't have any sort of fights between the various camps. All.

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Right for all practical purposes, these have been the same working group for a while now so a single time working group that delete that addresses all things related to time. Synchronization protocols, all network time, synchronization protocols.

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Hi I'm, just relaying ecclestone here calling it only ntp, would be confusing. Okay,.

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But that's the sense I wanted to.

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Also from the ntp perspective, I wondered if it would be confusing to move ntp to a non ntp working group, but if it was something as simple as time, then I think that would be fine.

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So I have struggled a bit to get a charter put together on this. Is there one or two people that would volunteer to help me? Merge the Charter text. Shorter, concise, single milestones.

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Stuart would help me India to excellence, a deterrent Stuart.

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It feels really ridiculous in front of this huge room with.

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Yes, let's, lest there be any misunderstanding, I was scratching my head, not volunteering I'm here, because time is clearly very important in security depends on time, but I I'm sort of here in educational mode, learning, stuff, okay,.

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Actually, it's Stuart Bryant is sitting behind you and that's the Stuart. I meant sorry um and I will say that this is probably not the best one to come to meeting to be educational because it's the drugs at the end of the agenda from Monday.

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Oh, that's, true, you did and I think about it, go ahead so.

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Yeah cough is suggesting to name, though, a new working group sink which stands for sink. Your network lock.

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Thank you yeah, I think. Is it yeah come for Stuart, that's response, Stuart Bryant, it's responsible for a tick, tock I, don't know.

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Okay, so I have some volunteers to help with the Charter I think we have at this point too well, 33 names that have been proposed net time time and now sync I would like to get this done in the next month. If possible, I think we've talked about it long enough and not actually executed on it.

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So with that, is there anything else people want to raise about the ntp or tick tock agenda for the week. Oh.

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Oh, you click Thank, You 1580 of RAM pls since ya cough. Is there yeah cough I'm about ready to kill that draft? Is there an update coming or what's the deal.

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And he can go to the remote key if he wants.

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Echo says: there's no update needed here. Just Pro do just.

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Do you mean by.

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My right side- oh that's right, so I thought there was another job, take the draft coming, but he's gonna wow. This is really but so ask him. Yeah cough I, believe the proto right up for that was in your hands. Are you planning to do that.

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Says yes, I really.

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Need to get around to that.

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Okay, so we need the proto right up for the 1588 over mpls. I will also note that Greg Mirsky has sent some additional the residence time documents have been coming through the IETF as well. Oh and now my hanging author is here.

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Okay, so we were just actually with apologies joining the meeting. I just saw you walk in, so perhaps we can talk afterwards about the status of the various documents. um Did you have anything you wanted to report on the yang model or this scalable synchronization network.

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This is a vietnam from hwy for the young medulla. We have a updated to the vacuum floor during the last item meeting we don't have an update yet but her as a summer exchangeable emails with, I took a year, 58 guys at Cynthia how some more concerned the transfer process as our IP f4 process. So yeah like we studied to be a half a mile at home itself.

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So independent of I'll repeat what I said earlier just briefly, but independent of the update process I'm an independent of the I Triple E 1588 IETF issue: do you see any additional technical work required or is the document roughly ready to progress yeah.

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For the technical aspects, I don't see anything that is the in. Conversely, so I as it's quite a stable now so I lactancia.

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Will be adopted here in its a toga workgroup know, so we can, we can process it and it's probably share a publication. Okay, so.

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We can talk offline about the results of the I Triple E 15 of the attribute by etf coordination meeting earlier in the week and how we're going to move forward there, but they they need to figure out some more stuff, and so I'm waiting for the high level, the leadership to figure out the next steps. I think the general consensus is we want to do this and it shouldn't be this hard and I'm not sure what the application.

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Welcome the other, we're also involved in the scalable synchronization network work right. Yes,.

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The scalable annotation we have a set up a middle-aged, discuss this topic as a single. We have a greater progress you're the lot of a couple of months, but.

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Do like to have more import from the attendees in the ITV key and we also are socializing with more people in there industria. We don't see a quite a few inches from 10, so we may be where we are our discussion for the nest here. I can meet you.

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Okay, um I think the conversation we had was. We don't see that I think we need. Potentially we could send another message to the time related working groups, but brian has also suggested the management area working area management area, ops area.

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So we can talk about that offline, but I. Don't think that there's enough consensus to move it forward in this air in this working group, so we think it might be a different topic area, but we can talk about that. Further offline I didn't get a cat catch. I didn't see you this morning, I couldn't catch you to ask you those questions so, but thank you and we'll we'll work more yeah.

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So with that, is there anything else that people want to bring up related to time or tick, tock? Okay, um so for the folks that agreed to do the first two to work on the Charter, can one of you I'm going to rely on one of the two of you to do a first draft? If that's? Okay, it's okay, okay, excellent! Any other questions, comments or inappropriate remarks.

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Nope, thank you have a good day.

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