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2016/07/21 1000

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Good morning before we get started one thing: dromana, nadie, se escribe mini taker. Do we have anyone who can take minutes for us perfect? Thank you.

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Now we'll be monitoring Jabbar.

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Starting one minute.

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Okay, this is Lyme welcome, Thursday, one more thing: fri TF.

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I'm Carlos pignataro Braun cannot be here. He has a personal commitment, someone of me playing Carlos and run today.

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You can see the RFC's that you can read if you want to have more more the complete picture, the whole details about this, but no well our charter mailing list. You all know this. We have a scribe. Thank you. I will be monitoring jabber here and we also have one remote participant, Deepak.

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We have a very focused agenda fairly, like the agenda. I will start with a quick summary of the working group status and we have two main presentations which are essentially the two key deliverables that the working group is working on.

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First, we're going to talk about the connection oriented model and, if you'll remember, the connection oriented model went through working robles. Call it many of the comments and.

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Corrections fixes that were sent to the list were incorporated into a new version. I think the editors are still working on incorporating edit, so we're going to hear an update. The goal here is to understand from the connection oriented model what's needed to actually take it to working group last call- and you know getting also a bit of guidance from when why that's also a good time to engage the young doctors for the connection oriented model.

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The second topic is about the connection list. We have a presentation from chin who's gonna be presented on behalf of the team d patent in the document, even though we worked on it during a full interim and a couple of ITF. This is still an individual contribution.

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Is draft Kumar, so the goal here is to understand where we are in terms of actually formally adopt in this work, even though we work on it as a working group is still a panda video contribution, the goal would be to understand both the gap between you know what what's out there and what's needed. You know the the truffles. Also, you know fairly heavily commented on the list as well, so we're going to take a you know, quick poll for adoption, following which will be following the list.

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Quick update on the on the line documents as a great script by the way WG status, working group status and the working group name, we can see the updating document. The new document.

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Updating working group documents, new documents that have lime in the title, updated, internet-draft and new document, and again the focus for us. He still going to be the two main deliverables which are the models and just a quick preview. Before we, we call the first presentation that we're also going to be talking about our wiki I'm, going to flash for a second and I'm going to come back to it later.

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I want to remind us all that access for this group is that these models that we define are used by various protocols, so we're going to you know potentially try to understand where we are in terms of applicability and usability of these models. And- and that's you know after we will wrap the two presentations.

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So without the first presenter on on connection-oriented Michael.

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Okay, here you go Michael. Oh.

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Okay, hello, everyone, my name is Michael Wong from hobby today, I want to talk about as a connector. Rendido am yama do update and since the last site, if a meeting, we have do a lot of work to push this sale module forward and we had to inter meeting on the inter meeting, we take the address other session Carlos and Robin könig. Raaga help us to we work together, help us to reviews review the document, the lamb nylon, and we also received a lot of valuable comments and suggestion.

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According to this, just coding to tease suggestion and some discussion on email least away, updates a connection, a rando am young module or full time, especially in the walking Google ask whole weeks. We also receives a lot of valuable comments, therefore, to address these comments were prepared as a 07 version and in next several page I will introduce this updated details. Neither job is we align with a technology technology, specific om, llamo, you folks, I'm trio and mpls-tp for trio is okay.

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The trio is based on the lam connector or in omm ma jus, and they already adopted by chua working group for mpls-tp. We talked with disgust, leezar, their ulcers and in the inter meeting and offline discussion, we have incorporated incorporating lots of comments, & requirement in the 07 version. Another thing is that we update applicability, alum a politically applicability, wiki page- and you can check- is wicked page to check the lamp applicability is at least and its dangers.

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Okay, sister from this page, I will introduce updated details from the british airways meeting. First, we optimized at norwich e section. We notate as a map and mid term term in with differential standards documents abbreviation, for example, for mep in at UT and then plz p is means maintenance and they take group in pointers. So in this version we ate system our term into the technology section, and we also a damn: u GI d VG term into this version so for it can meet mpls-tp the requirement.

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We also updates a tax, a description to make this term consist and expression mall briefly and accurate in the module. We first updates contact information statement. Bass sounds a young gal, an RFC because in the young guitar says, a contact information should contend working group in information, chairs information and editors information. So, in this version you know way up. We rewrite contact statement to satisfy this requirement and in the model we also a the two features. 14 continually check our piece, a wonderful treat, traceroute a pc.

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We also okay, so in the configuration blocks, may also removes and a map direction from the base model. Since it's a technology specifically attributes.

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Okay, we also optimized some optimizer identity blocks, especially in type in specially in the defect hives. We ate Lassa Lassa for continuity's identity and cracked, some spelling error- and you know- and do you know this.

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Makes a term consistent and we also either some description in some identity to help the reader understand? What's this and it really mean and how to use this identity and in the tat definition, blogs way, modify the error message to defect message to make this term consistent and accurate.

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Okay, in the configuration block we modify the MP address to mep address, since the first group term is a some technology pacific. So we modify it to the mep address and we also a damaged a ID grouping and to meet the Imperials tepees requirement. Another change evade an meid twice, which contains two case, one for meid another for any GID their foes, that your model user can choose a purple lead to. You know to augment their technology. Pacific arremato right.

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Is it okay? Okay? Okay, thank you. Greg.

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Name is Kate Erickson.

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Why would we have a different grouping for Meg ID in maad, because if we look at a philosophy of transition from CFM to 1731 and mpls-tp does follow their philosophy of 1731? That mag ID is just a different type of ma, ID and a short ma name. So probably it could be the same. Yes, the different types o, which will help us do multiplex and interpret properly the format.

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Okay, it's again, it's just thought. Okay,.

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Thank you here with gesture. It destroys case since, if you can provide some no solution, our optional, you can't roll. You can choose. If you want to, if you don't, you follow the LTP, the terminology and you can define the name format or any format to unhealthy prit T. Therefore, you can choose this mag ID. But if you true, if you want to satisfy the trio's requirement, you you can you know you can set the I'm a I'm, a name too I'm a name or an idea into the you know: I'm trails, hot yeah, but.

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But again, if that's the case, if you want to keep mpls-tp as a separate technology, we already have a draft for mpi ostp oam shouldn't be than just a very simple augmentation, so not to placate mpls-tp constructs but just an argument. Mpls-Tp OEM yang model, which already exists if interested, so we can work together because I we talked with Vera Jang recently and I'll be taking more active role of finalizing this work. So I would actually that was. I was suggesting and look at this document and see how it can be argument.

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Then arm in lime model. There is no need to replicate mpls-tp LEM constructs, but just an argument. Existing model, ok,.

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I know: ok, we can meet her a.

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Week before that change has one quick question to you know fully understand: Bureau Greg. Are you saying that the mpls-tp, a draft and young module is referencing and using.

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Iii suggest the vice versa, that this references, the mpls-tp I, am yang model and uses.

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ah How I, because, because otherwise, why there isn't need to replicate their mpls-tp specific construct if they already being used in mpls-tp yang model, om mpls-tp or am yang model? Oh.

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I mean I think the argument is the other way around in the sense that burials consumers can actually use the generalizations that exist in this document right now, but this is.

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Not in a connectionless document.

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Referencing, you know a number of technology, specific ones, but rather the mpls-tp one needs to be. You know, constructive and eloped is such that it references- and you see this but.

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But my concern is that this document are, you goes into specific of mpls-tp, okay, so it uses mpls-tp specific constructs rather than using some attack. Identifiers, then, can be then mapped into technology. It you see what what happens so, basically it it provides the construct which are technology-specific, whether it's a trail or mpls-tp.

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But in this case- and I don't disagree right- but in that case, if these provide the document provides an on technology, specific one mpls-tp needs to steal, augment and reference. These are not the other way around. Okay,.

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That's what I propose it's, let's look at where this nonspecific ends and where a specifics begin. So the specifics contained in mpls-tp yang data model and then can be argument it from mpls-tp data model because.

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Yeah it so, let's make it a.

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Special reduction.

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This to me looks like technologies which does not belong in the car I.

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Don't disagree so, let's make it a specific action of you know you Greg, Bureau and Michael to in a work together, sort that out with the technology specifics out of here, excellent.

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Yeah, it also great oh.

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Cisco Greg.

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Your comment applies to not just mpls-tp, but also and kill st year with Asuma was discussing with Michael about this this morning. Right, it's.

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Just to clarify- and you know we we all as a working group work on on the document.

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Okay, thank you continue. Okay, in the am a laced away in 07, wherever aid CC can enable leaves to indicate the wiser as a cocktail, a practicum connect. A continually check is a supported and I mean the map. A map list, and the session is the removes our connectivity context attribute, since this attribute already defunding Tammy least, and the map and the session can hurt inherit. This attribute, therefore, can make the cheerful remove. This attribute can makes a module more briefly and a wider some confused.

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For example, if we have to map see Indian 1am a-lister that have different connectivity contacts, it not make sense. Simazine. Also push us to remove the sauce address from the session leads that, because session lisa sanders a mep least so it can t heretics a Ameobi's addressed as he is a sorceress. So we move this attribute.

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Okay, another changing the configuration blocks easily, remove the interactions making turbo and the TTL interval TTL attribute by the way rate change them in the RPC blocks, such as a change translate. Interval to interval in the connectivity can connect her with a verification and traceroute a proceed.

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Ok, waiting list operation, we also add a new notification, is named defect, clear the new fiction, since the notifications not only sent on the now. The sin is sin de bliss. Indeed, when sir the facts that are cleared- and so in this very this notification and the IPC blocks, we modify the amazing them strings type and the md an instron types to lift reference. Therefore, the camp one to the corresponding configuration, leaves ok, this is about module sub page and we also optimize the reference section away.

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Asia transmit Baeza I'm healthy, poz Ahmad, you either infra. You know you inform as interim reference, and we also optimized a bit module and this mode and delete a section to make this describe more clearly and accrete. We also ate the last thing. Is we ate some ID needs, so we have to allow health update of the they're still have some unquestioning remaining focus on how to define the Middle East, for if you want to define the mail, is there at least eight help to it?

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Had a contender to my tribute, one is address, neither is level and in previous were in our med list. Only have one leaf is a interface so needy need to update another things. We need to undo to be clear. Do we need to really add the we really need to explicit configuration just may placed because in some technology this may place it automatically create it's not. We need expertise, 8 configuration so define the Middle. East may be somewhat acknowledges technology to specific. So we to address this salute to address this problem. We have to solution.

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The first solution is, we can just remove this amoeba least from our rub: is module and model user can a date according to his requirement, neither choices became a desire feature to indicate whether this may place is a new, the complicated configuration and therefore that model user can tries to configuration it or not.

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Next up a talk to willow prepares another version to fix this remaining question and Roberta. What can google glass co? Thank you. I.

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Grab the comment, but let's let's hear for from Maine offers.

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Benoit Claire's so I'm wondering because I was checking a draft right now. How would you work was the topology, so we've got an eye to RS a couple of topology draft generic 1 and L 2, 1 and l 31, because in the end you want to have like OEM between two endpoints right now, I was checking in the topology drive. There is no shin of node ID right. So at some point in time it's a valid point for both draft through this one.

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How do we relate to a definition of a node ID which is or an endpoint, which is in a topology I.

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From why I think you talk about is a connection connection days, ome ahmadu this is a connector render a memo.

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Talking about both of them salvation.

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In this industry user, you know a miata structure to provide disease from the map. Man I from this domain to the session, just dis structure to so it can reuse in some technology or indeed a technology that connection or rendered technologies such as a tree on I'm, healthy p, but falls are connected lease or mi mundo. If we want to build the test planted relationship, we have to consider how to build it. You know how to build this relationship and the way from okay series.

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Some in a dresser working group is how to polish Jamal do and we can use it armada to to build two out of two different is connect with Grandma module. Since we can see this connected, a solar module is some kind of OEM topology yeah, and we also arguments a node. Id is a test upon the location and has polling locations. Is user such highest? A sponge address and another ID as a key point. Ok,.

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Thank you. Maybe I should have asked this more professionalized. All.

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The spirit of being agile and dynamic, you know there's one very concrete action regarding the the addresses you know. A lot of people are here, so you know vero Greg, Rashad Michael, who I suggest that you know before leaving, if at all possible, you know, do an editing session together.

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You know with with a young open and have the discussion while world here. That would be like really really really useful. Ok,.

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I think the is work for me.

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Okay, thank you. Thank.

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Before the next presentation, the blue sheets, anyone has not sign.

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In just to summarize, the state for, for you know for the record for the minute, in others outstanding comments, in particular, regarding the addresses in particular, regarding the topology.

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You know we need to spin a new version and we, you know, we really should take advantage of the fact that that were here in by the way and the topology Alex Clem is also here in in barling.

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Okay, okay, good morning, everyone, my name is Jill and I represent, is topical connection. Connection is OEM model status, update, and so the chapter bushing number colonel latest number is the 05 and if you was just a blue, this new version this week. So if you want to rid of the latest version, please download this one and for the people is here also- and we also add a new author Cherie and because he gave a lot of input and happy to improve this chapter yeah.

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So what happened since the last night? A meeting so actually after last I, the meeting we had, we had a to ensure a meeting and for the connection is again, we actually have a dedicated session in the second interim eating. We have a editor session to join with author and as a participant with homework rebels and some other people. We go through this whole chapter and 99 page by page you to do the editor and we got a lot of comments.

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So we make a huge up database, these comments and later actually we receive some comments from young doctor and, and we think of the comments very useful. We also raise these comments. The issues update adjusting in this week and from some other comments is just some offline comments from the reg pad and Sam and some other cortical from my company and also I mention we still. We still have a line, a compatibility with the crazy we waiting for the updater after we progress and make a discuss its chapter, and we can.

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We can follow that follow up so I want you a highlight in the model design goal here. Actually we, what we do is we actually defined the base model is so frame. Look confused by the connection is OEM OEM technologies, the commish om. Actually, we r fo care a free number, tfd mpls oen up he um and there may be some as a finish. Her name is om, come up and we actually take the top down approach instead of the autoharp approach.

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We think this will allow the customer to use this model to talk with the management system. The management system can take advantage of this model to perform the ultimate net, the photo tag, notes and isolation. So we also have the model design detail. It's actually a document.

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Slides and we can revisit it if needed so so what chain will make since the last I came eating and to interim eating foster change? Actually we made it.

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We remove the improper, the parameter that for the tools in the base model based on secondary intermediate discussion, mostly from color, so we think is a maker is very mixed sense, so we remove these can incorporate parameter and we also align the modal description in the sections three with model hierarchy, to make it a more consistent- and this is just a cosmetic change and we also remove the pair of the source and destination address. The interior and theory address from the ITF connection model. I just want to mention, we actually broke broke down.

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The this base model into to model actually is connectionist model. Another is actually it's only a mess of the model. We sink a facedown bottom, a top-down approach we think, is better. We actually can have more reusable building, blocker and- and this can be reused by a various different connection- is om technologies and for the longing sort of shortly issue. Actually, this sensible, the colors and he already follow up and grow up for properties, discuss melodies. Then we have a good discussion. We narrow down. Actually, we sing.

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We should use that emoji that defined FC 7276 that is used and among and proactive. So we closed this issue and and as I mentioned, we actually put on and buy more into two models. So here is that it reach reach our map, Messer that we actually developed and define it as a separate model and the also we added some common session information. Actually, these very so you were using during blockers that can be applied to the VIP or some other clannish 2m technologies and for the performance monitoring father.

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Actually, this is something has already discussed many times. We sink is bad. You separate out, and we have several chaps to discuss this I think you doesn't need to be covered by the by this. The connection connection connection is OEM model and for the FEC is, as the attribute of the TP and location has been removed from the connection OEM model based on discussion, I think it's from the grad yeah I.

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Greg mercy, so yes, if we then okay, if offers would like to have phones monitoring as a separate model, then I would suggest that this model will be characterized as a fault management model.

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That's first, and in that case, if the performance monitoring will be a separate model, then I don't need to even mention t101, because it's a performance measurement.

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Protocols, ok, so again, if you plan to have a separate model for performance monitoring, so then this model effectively is a fault management. I am yeah.

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Gori, actually om actually comprised to power minus 4. Imagine that thursday is problems in monitoring. Currently we actually for the popcorns monitoring and I think it's summer workout to cover by our ppm, but it's a more limited at IP network puppy technology use cases, and so we check out and by the way we still won't want to actually more have no generic model. So I'm not sure we should change in the name into the for the model for.

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National memorials because again um I I would I would encourage to separate, because that probably would make it easier to to make.

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Community both of these models, it.

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Yeah otherwise. Otherwise, if, if we talk about t whump Oh whump, we must talk about RFC, 63, 74, MPOs, wasn't delay measurement I. Think.

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Actually, the concept here exit to try to model the existing traditional OEM technology, rather actually only focus on photo management. We actually try try to cover where's OEM protocol. You know, so we need to have a generic name. Okay, it.

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Is ok, it's a choice of the offers. I can only suggest cannot force you to do.

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Another wise powder, passive lomito, am discussing and I think we is actually also provide for futaba by the kernels, and we discussed the least several terminology and in active and passive and and in banner up- and we better understand, well water. This term means- and I think we sinker these- the patio am like a standard asian, so we agree actually auditors currencies you wish to this out until we can get these passive own standards some somewhere, we can actually putback putback again at a disease moment.

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I think it's not the reasonable to cover this in this connection is OEM model.

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So so, actually we are now actually closed. The passive perform my master issues and we also actually matched like a define and based on schedule and it's Java. Actually, it's coral shiver at a stable. We think we need to request to adopt this one yeah. That's all.

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Thank you. You know, I have 11 initial question. Can you speak up a little bit about the relationship between the document and other technology specific ones, so you mentioned that you know you've been working with Deepak on the applicability you've been working with Rashad on the BF. The relationship. Can you can you yeah.

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Yeah in Colonel Chad, we did have a section to discuss the relationship between this model and as a model, we actually we clarify in this light. Actually we have some motor design concept that we sink.

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This model yourself at space model is the kind of generic framework that can be extended by the various technology specific on model and and we broke down the base model into to model actually to Mona, as still outpaced to base model and about the idiot depend on use cases, and you can use post basic mode or use one of base model and for the apricot applicability wiki page, and we plan to follow up and talk with a rich hat and to get.

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Solved and and and we will update this week, pigeon we picture the fall out of it is the reg card and.

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And you know I know be of these meaning tomorrow sometime, but in a racialist as the BFD chair and Greg I. Think your editor of the BFD young model, Oh, perfect excellent, even better I know things might change. You know you're meeting tomorrow, but you know what was the status of that document within the BFD working girl bus. As far as you know, state in their progression.

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This rashad ramen cisco, the state of the dark, is I mean so we made some there's been changes also in the routing model regarding routing instances and all that, so there's been some churn there. The big thing remaining, in my opinion, is the whole line business. You know what greg was mentioning. We just need to close I think for BFD for Less beeping, so the UM technologies, but also the networking, technologies and sense of this is not just give these not on its own.

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You know: BFD runs on an MPLS and kale st mpls-tp multihop single have I mean you are aware of this right. So I think that goes back to Greg Sookie comments that you don't want to be redefining. Let's say, mpls te. The way the tunnel is configured the way the LSP is in operational state in multiple places.

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We should be reusing, augmenting or stuff like that, so we just need a common way for everybody to do that and I think we'll be in good shape, we're not there yet we're closer than we were, but we're not there. Yet.

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Yes again, as I said characterized, the current version of the d model does cover singlehop multi-hop and in LSP there is a micro, BFD, I think that's still standing in there yeah it's there yeah, okay, um the. What what I wanted to say is that Rashad mentioned ls15, so I just want to inform that work on LSP think yang model will be reactivated and there will be a very brief discussion at pc session, which will discuss common yang models between pc and pls TS & Seek am.

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Not, that's insightful, I mean my view was thought that was a little bit stale, yeah I, agree. I, agree.

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With that and based on request of mpls more group chairs, the work will be restarted and activated.

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Thinking- and you know from from my side as chair had on in a similar comment, as we did with the the connection oriented model in a world here in Berlin, we all have our air max I know. Time is, is you know pressing and were you know running in between dinners and meetings, and you know all friends and stuff, but if we can find in a couple of minutes to do on real time, editing on on some of the that the fastest way to make progress on on this more in Turing Qaeda dishes right.

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I agree, so we should make earnest effort to do that, but personally I would say that the two sessions that we had was, in my view very successful, so I say thanks to offers. They were very considerate to the comments and we didn't have any shortcomings on technology, so it all worked and I think that if we cannot make everything that we want to achieve this week here then schedule some similar sessions.

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So I think that the document is good at optus, but I have one more of a kind of a structural comment, and so, given that you now broke apart, the data that we retrieve from how we will treat the data which is I think, is a major step forward. um Don't you want to go and have those things sit in separate documents longer term, because that would make it far easier for other people to say. Okay, I have another method to expose. The data may be using IP fix or something else.

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I have other methods to go and retrieve the data, not with an RPC method, and so that would be far easier for other people to leverage a particular document as opposed to the new roof to something that has an overloading of RPC methods that you are clearly not interested in. If you're, using a different, vertebral method,.

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As also are no strong opinion is and I think I depend on chair to make a decision on.

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This I mean easy. You know it's a working loop decision, it's not my decision, but I will say you know that there's advantages or disadvantages of inner fragmentation um you know modularity is greatest, is enough figuring out? What is the the the right granularity of the fragmentation? So I don't know. If that's you know, perhaps no I mean I was thinking. Is that a question for young doctors is that a question for us independently to make a call on any guidance from other young documents in other working groups been on.

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Benoit CLIs so right now these are two different yang models or not, or a single one right.

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Now, actually to model in the.

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Same jobs, yeah.

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So maybe this is a good step in the right direction, because if we need to update one module, you need to update I mean avangin.

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You want to update the one with natural methods, only the young module with natural methods right so from a young model point of view. We could do that now. I understand it. If you want to always have this rfcs, then you have to update, but no no strong opinion. You have the right point so.

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You know I mean that he'll, whatever.

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It feels right and.

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I think that perhaps you know one thing that we can do Frank. If, if I could please ask you to actually post a question on the list and perhaps try to summarize very high level pros and cons? You note of you know having the model on the RPC moving independently into documents, ah then we can actually see you know what the word roopa any preference but I've jalur. It is good right. The.

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Goal is right as correct was mentioning earlier, like I mean we try to do something. Generic and I need those data and independently of how I get it it's a very wide goal. So, up to you now different questions in the one and topology I haven't read the latest version of the document. But how do you connect with topology.

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Actually, for this will actually, we did augment from the network topology model, so the one from hrs what the the one from I to RS. Yes, yes, oh because I was.

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Checking that and I'm I was missing it. Okay, I'll delete.

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This will actually follow these two ogema from the top logic amount of defining our eyes, but for the connectional random. We didn't follow that concept because I single connection or when actually they already actually serve some. When you already find some total load you so do you have an MDMA and test point and that's why we ignore to using the topology of defining the advice other for this chapter. We actually try to model the test porn, but we need to see how this point to link you to Pablo.

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Do so that's why we need Oakman from the topological I'm.

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Is less because I was searching exactly for that, so thank you for this.

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And from from jabber debug is an assaulter were okay to break into to draft. We will wait for working group decision, so that's that's one easy to take to the list. Any other questions comment on on the document.

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And thank you jean I mean. Hopefully you know we can close on some of these in a relationship with BF e, with a potentially restarting mpls LS peeping. You know what, while we're here, okay, so in the context, Thank You gene in the context of this document, you know we, as a working group, have been working on this for some time. As a group, the document was actually the subject of a full interim meeting, a real-time edit in session, and you know, as I mentioned at the beginning. This is delay individual document.

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We, we marked it as a candidate for adoption for a full IDF time frame since, since bonus itís, we mark it as such. We didn't close informally, Colleen and in a before Ron and I potentially take that question to the least anyone has any concerns with other and just to in a boot context to the question you know: I think / our charter. This is a problem we need to solve so I'm not going to ask if this is something worth working on.

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The question that I have is: does anyone has any concerns, as this document being the base for lyme fulfilling the milestone of the the connection list model.

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Gregory Erickson I think that probably their number of times that we talk about that relationship between their common model and specific models, would it be mpls-tp BFD USB thing is something very important, open question, so I would think that once we solve it, then yes we'll have very good basis for their working group to continue work, but I would say that we need to solve this first and just.

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