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From YouTube: IETF 97 - IETF Newcomers Tutorial
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The Newcomers Tutorial session at IETF 97 in Seoul, South Korea.
A
Here
and
you're
talking
about
IETF
things,
it's
public
data.
It
you'd
be
aware
that
if
you
want
to
talk
about,
if
you,
if
you
walk
into
an
ietf
meeting
and
talk
about
an
idea,
be
aware
that
it's
hard
to
claim
IPR
intellectual
property
rights
for
things
like
that,
this
just
says
that
almost
everything
you
do
at
an
ietf
meeting
is
a
pub.
A
Is
IETF
related
I'm
going
to
talk
about
things
that
are
immediately
useful
to
you
at
this
meeting,
we're
going
to
try
and
I'm
not
going
to
talk
about
the
industry,
the
IETF
there's
lots
of
place.
You
can
read
it
I'm
not
going
to
talk
about
how
to
write
a
standard,
again
lots
of
documentation
there.
There
are
other
places.
Go,
we've
only
got
an
hour
to
do
it.
I
couldn't
teach
you
how
to
write
a
standard
in
an
hour,
but
there
are
place
you
can
go.
A
This
is
what
I
looked
like
at
ganda,
the
fruit
of
the
longest
IETF
meeting
the
died
ever
IETF
working
group
meeting
I've
ever
attended.
We
started
about
eight
o'clock
in
the
morning
when
you
finish
about
two
o'clock
the
next
morning.
So
try
not
to
look
like
this
at
the
end
of
your
first
meeting
talk
about
the
meeting
talk
about
the
difference
between
the
IETF
and
other
standard
development
organizations
or
talk
about
a
little
bit
about
culture
and
people
think
about
culture
in
different
ways.
A
The
IETF
is
an
organized
activity
and
Internet
Society.
That
wasn't
always
the
case.
The
IETF
was
originally
an
engineering
organization
for
the
United
States
government
for
the
NASA
science
internet,
the
Department
of
an
apartment,
energy
es
net,
the
ARPANET
and
the
mill
net
and
the
National
Science
Foundation
Network
NSFNET
over
the
years.
The
IETF
turned
from
that
engineering
organization
to
what
we
primarily
are
today
a
standard
organization.
A
You
may
not
we're
going
to
get
into
into
what
a
standard
how
the
work
gets
done
here.
Most
of
the
work
we're
going
to
see
in
the
IETF
gets
done
actually
in
subgroups,
the
working
groups.
You
will
encounter
lots
of
them
here.
There's
about
a
hundred
thirty
of
them.
You
also
might
encounter
the
turning
in
architecture
board.
In
fact,
that's
probably
one
that
you
would
have
encountered
before
actually
encounter
the
IETF,
because
that
gets
more
of
the
press.
A
The
public
press
lots
more
details,
we're
not
going
to
worry
about
things
that
aren't
important
to
you
right
now.
Okay,
but
if
you
have
questions
find
somebody
with
a
little
with
a
little
happy
face
on
them,
they
will
help
you
to
understand.
What's
going
on
so
I
ETF
is
roughly
divided
into
these
areas.
General
applications,
real-time
transport,
Internet
routing
operations
and
management
and
security.
This
is
useful
for
you,
because
if
you
are
interested
in
working
group,
it
is
associated
with
an
area
and
other
working
groups
in
that
area
may
also
have
interests
for
you.
A
There
we
go
sorry:
okay,
we
meet
three
times
a
year.
We've
met
all
over
the
world.
This
is
the
97th
one
of
these
I've
been
to
ninety
one
of
them.
Sadly
enough,
this
is
actually
the
30th
anniversary.
December
will
be
the
30th
anniversary
of
the
first
IETF
meeting.
Okay
at
the
session.
These
are
the
events.
These
are
the
things
that
are
organized
working
group
sessions.
That's
the
most!
A
That's
mostly
what
you're
going
to
see
here,
but
you
get
birds
of
feather
sessions,
I
RTF
sessions,
you
get
the
area
wide
sessions,
the
security
area,
advisory
group,
the
applications
area
steering
group
things
along
those
lines.
Plenaries
we've
only
got
one
this
time
around
if
I
remember
correctly
and
that's
on
Wednesday
and
that's
the
combination,
technical
and
administrative.
A
Sometimes,
if
we've
got
enough
going
on,
those
will
get
split
into
two
nights:
one
for
administration,
one
for
technical
stuff,
but
like
right
now,
that's
we're
doing
tutorials
and
lunch
events.
I,
don't
think
we've
got
a
social
I
know
we
don't
have
a
social
event
this
time
around,
but
we
do
have
the
bits
and
bytes
which
is
sort
of
a
social
event,
and
you
know
we
want
you
to
look
at
our
product
stuff
code,
Sprint's,
hackathons,
hackathons
and
code.
Sprint
start
at
the
beginning
of
the
IETF.
A
A
They
are
people
who
are
working
on
the
tools
for
the
IETF
when
you
log
in
and
are
putting
an
internet
draft
in
those
tools
were
built
quite
a
bit
by
the
people
who
did
who
work
in
the
code
sprints
and
then
you're
going
to
have
a
bunch
of
non-public
business
meetings
which
are
you'll,
walk
around
you'll,
see
the
IAD
meeting
the
iesg
meeting,
non-common
things
along
those
lines.
So
then
the
disorganized
events
hallway
meetings.
A
These
people
are
smart
and
opinionated
their
self
selected
for
being
here
and
just
because
sorry
I'm
going
to
pass
on
that
one,
we
are
yeah.
Occasionally
we
get
blunt
occasionally
you
will
be
in
a
meeting
and
somebody
will
say
your
idea
is
I
sucks.
Sorry,
most
people
don't
mean
to
be
rude.
It
is
a
style
of
presentation
that
we've
been
trying
to
get
ourselves
out
of,
but
30
years
gives
you
a
lot
of
the
nur
scia.
So
we
are
a
long
established
organization.
We
have
a
culture,
you
will
not
be
able
to
change
it
immediately.
A
You
change
it
by
participating
and
by
putting
a
little
bit
of
stuff
into
the
water
and
helping
to
change
the
flavor
of
things,
but
it's
going
to
take
a
little
at
a
time.
Last
piece
is
really
important
to
know
if
you
bring
an
idea
forward
and
you
try
and
get
30
or
40
people
to
bring
the
same
idea
forward,
it
better
be
a
good
one
if
it
is
a
bad
one
and
it's
a
company
thing
or
a
organizational
thing
or
you're
trying
to
do
something.
It's
still
a
dumb
idea
and
we
know
the
difference.
A
This
is
it
we're
all
about
the
internet
and
Internet
related
technologies.
We
deal
with
things
that
are
at
the
internet
level,
sometimes
a
tiny
little
bit
underneath
that
with
respect
to
things
like
mpls
and
some
time
and
things
just
a
little
bit
over
that
dealing
with
transport
layers
and
things
like
that,
we
mostly
don't
deal
with.
We
occasionally
deal
with
applications.
A
Leaked
to
the
other
people
in
the
room
and
by
respectfully
I
mean
be
aware
that
they
may
not
be
in
the
same
place.
You
are
with
respect
to
with
respect
to
understanding
of
what's
going
on,
okay,
so
it's
not
a
sinus
or
it
may
be
ignorant
rather
than
stupidity,
and
in
fact
it
probably
isn't.
It
is
a
nurse
around
stupidity,
but
willful
ignorance
is
problematic,
so
just
be
aware
and
be
a
little
bit
tolerant
of
people
when
they're
doing
and
we're
going
to
be,
do
the
same
for
the
new
people
here.
Yeah
do
introduce
yourself.
A
If
you
don't
make
that
connection,
you
cannot
be
successful
at
an
ietf
meeting.
Okay,
if
you
want
to
send
the
back
stay
on
your
iphone
or
your
pad
or
whatever
you
will
not
make
an
impact
in
this
organization.
That
may
be
fine.
Okay,
don't
harass
other
participants.
There
is
a
definition
for
us.
That's
the
website
that
talks
about
it.
If
you
feel
harassed,
please
find
somebody
with
a
dot,
not
not
one
of
these
but
a
solid
dot
and
tell
them,
and
they
will
help
you
resolve
the
problem.
Okay,
we
have
food
at
various
receptions.
A
A
Okay,
typical
working
group
session
meets
a
working
group
is
designed
to
work
on
a
set
of
tasks
for
a
particular
set
of
problems.
Okay,
they're
only
going
to
meet
for
a
couple
hours,
an
ietf
meeting,
but
most
of
the
work
they
do
happens
continuously
over
the
years
or
email
address,
/
email
and
things
like
that.
This
is
sort
the
email.
The
working
group
sessions
are
golden
time.
A
They're
there
for
they're
there
to
give
the
opportunity
to
get
high
bandwidth
interaction,
get
things
resolved
that
may
the
you
may
not
be
able
to
do
over
email,
especially
when
you
get
nuances
going
on
there.
So
please,
if
you're
going
to
participate,
read
your
IDs,
we
read
what's
being
discussed
before
you
get
in
there.
If
you're
going
to
stop
is
speak
up,
make
sure
you,
you
know
what
you're
talking
about
with
respect
to
the
stuff
sessions
are
screen
being
strained
and
recorded.
A
If
you
get
up
to
speak
first
thing
out
of
your
mouth,
every
time
is
your
name,
because
nobody
knows
who
you
are,
and
these
are
being
screened
and
we
need
to
let
the
people
know
at
the
other
end
and
whoever
is
listening.
Blue
sheets
are
not
in
here
we
keep
a
record
of
of
everybody
who
shows
up
that
one
of
these
one
of
the
working
group
sessions.
That's
for
two
reasons,
one
just
to
get
an
idea
of
how
many
people
we
need
for
the
rooms
for
the
next
time
around
the
other.
A
One
is
sort
of
to
get
an
idea
of
who's
been
paying
attention
for
IP
our
purposes.
So
just
be
aware
about
that
sigh,
the
blue
sheets
read
the
agenda.
Please
listen
if
you're
in
a
session-
and
you
can't
understand
if
the
person
is
talking,
isn't
speaking
loud
enough
or
speaking
too
fast,
please
let
them
know.
We
can't
your
mind
reader's.
A
If
you
are
a
non-native,
English
speaker
or
you
have
issues
or
the
person
speaking
is
having
problems
with
that
in
many
cases,
what
you
want
to
do
is
that,
right,
there
and
I'll
talk
about
Jabbar
a
little
bit
later,
but
sometimes
you
can
get
a
somebody
to
explain.
What's
going
on
text
wise
without
actually
having
to
interact
without
ever
having
interrupt
people
look
around
you,
we've
got
coats,
we
got
bags
and
you
have
things
like
that.
A
Fortunately
enough
room
and
room
in
here
some
of
the
rooms
that
you're
going
to
be
in
are
going
to
be
pretty
crowded.
Please
be
aware
of
your
surroundings
move
the
bags.
Let
people
sit
down
side
conversations
outside
mostly,
you
can
do
a
few
seconds
with
something,
but
in
most
cases,
if
you
think
you're
being
quiet,
you
aren't
so
and
jabber
stuff.
So
birds
of
the
feathers
are
sessions
where
we've
got
a
new
idea
or
we've
got
something
that
we
want
to
try
out
or
we've
got
some
people
who
are
interested
in
something
something
fun.
A
So
we've
had
birds
of
a
feather
sessions
on
internet
of
things,
birds
of
a
feather
sessions
on
and
I've
lost
track
over
the
years.
The
idea
is,
the
birds
of
the
feather
session
is
to
get
people
involved,
get
an
idea
whether
or
not
we
should
form
a
working
group
and
have
that
conversation
they
tend
to
be
a
little
bit
more
tutorial
than
working
group
sessions.
So
you
will
get
some
information
beforehand,
but
the
key
piece
is,
they
generally
only
meet
once
and
they
either
end
up
going
away
or
ending
up
as
a
working
group.
A
So
there
you've
got
most
of
all
the
stuff
over
here.
The
working
groups
are
ideally
have
a
fixed
life.
They
are
designed
when
you
start
the
working
group.
You've
got
a
work
plan
and
when
the
work
plan
is
done,
the
working
group
is
done.
Some
working
groups
have
lasted
quite
a
long
period
of
time,
because
every
time
we
get
something
done,
something
else
gets
new
gets
added
to
the
dead
to
the
thing,
but
with
the
things
that
are
more
focused,
this
is
a
goal
to
get.
A
A
You
don't
actually
really
need
to
look
to
to
know
this,
but
the
guys
who,
with
solid
dots,
are
generally
people
are
involved
in
the
running
of
the
IETF
or
something
along
those
lines.
So
these
guys
the
green
dot
guys
you
should
be
aware
of
because
they
are
the
ones
who
can
help
you
with
local
stuff.
Here
they
are
involved
in
dealing
with
the
local
network
and
things
along
those
lines.
But
almost
any
of
these
people
can
answer
the
question
of.
Where
do
I
go
to
find
an
answer?
A
Okay,
they
may
not
be
able
to
answer
the
question,
but
they
can
answer
the
question,
define
the
question
so
keep
these
guys
in
mind.
These
are
the
first
people
you
want
to
talk
to.
They
generally
know
something
about
how
the
IETF
is
set
up,
go
talk
to
them.
First,
if
you
can't
in
many
cases
eldri,
they
may
drag
you
over
to
the
Secretariat
or
something
along
those
lines.
So
speaking
the
Secretariat
there
are
a
number
of
organizations
that
support
and
help
the
IETF
most
important.
One.
A
A
A
If
you
are,
you
don't
need
to
know
you
don't
necessarily
need
to
know
about
this
right
now,
but
my
guess
is
later
on.
If
you're
writing
an
internet
draft
or
you're
working
in
the
process,
you
will
probably
end
up
having
to
talk
to
them
again.
They
have
office
hours
here,
there's
a
table
out
by
registration.
A
They're
nice
people
go
by,
they
have
candy,
it's
useful
thing.
Actually,
so
does
the
RFC
editor
our
C
editor
is
response,
we're
actually
taking
your
miss,
formed
ideas
and
paper
and
turning
it
into
something
that
would
be
appreciated
any
publication
in
the
world.
We
have
good
quality,
good
professional
quality
editors
that
are
involved
in
this
process.
So
again,
worthwhile
to
say:
hi
chat
about
what's
going
on.
If
you
are
getting
to
the
point
of
wanting
to
publish
something.
A
All
good
people,
Heather
is
the
RFC
editor.
This
is
her
staff
here,
Neville
is
about
to
leave.
He
is
the
independent
stream
submission
of
editor
on
the
RFC
series
is
request
for
comments.
The
reason
is
called
that
as
something
to
do
with
some
something
going
back
to
nineteen
sixty-nine.
If
you
can
believe
that
it
was
never
really
designed
as
a
publication,
see
series
on
this
scale,
but
it
has
ended
up
there.
Neville
is
the
guy
who
deals
with
things
that
are
not
necessarily
IETF
related,
but
should
go
into
the
RSC
series.
A
A
Actually
I'm
doing
much
faster
than
I
was
planning
on.
There
are
a
bunch
of
useful
documents.
You've
got
the
print
outs
here,
the
Tao
the
IETF
has
been
around
for
oh
I,
don't
know
15
20
years
it
and
it's
been
edited
a
couple
of
different
times.
It's
just
sort
of
the
history
of
the
IETF,
the
culture
of
the
IETF,
how
to
get
cutting
around
in
it
on
it's
a
good
document
to
read
some
way,
some
way
midway
through
the
middle
of
this.
This
meeting,
meaning
wiki.
A
This
is
the
place
to
go
for
things
about
that
are
locally
significant
on
one
of
the
more
important
things
off
of
the
meeting.
Wiki
is
the
departures
page
if
you're
going
off
to
fly
on
a
particular
day,
and
you
want
somebody
to
share
a
cab
with
you-
can
post
your
departure
and
make
arrangements
to
go
there
and
then
the
edge
you
tutorials
there
are
more
tutorials
and
I.
A
A
Lissa
bliss,
there
are
lots
of
mailing
lists
in
the
ITF.
If
you
haven't
noticed
that
already
well,
I'm,
not
sure
how
you
managed
to
get
here
but
start
there.
There
are
something
on
the
order
of
three
different
mailing
lists
for
the
meeting
one
dealing
with
newcomers,
one
dealing
with
any
attending
and
one
dealing
with
anyone,
who's
registered
and
any
it,
and
you
can
sign
up
as
attendees
for
those
for
the
last
two
you're
always
signed
up
for
the
first
one,
but
the
only
people
who
send
it
our
Secretariat.
A
So
it's
just
way
of
getting
information.
I
believe
this
is
the
correct
location
for
in
the
network
information
it
changes
occasionally
and
for
some
reason
they
don't
put
this
page
up
until
almost
until
about
now
so
I
kind
of
guess
at
this,
but
we'll
see
you
leaning
in
figure.
So
one
of
the
other
things
you'll
see
on
the
schedule
is
the
I
RTF.
This
is
the
internet
research
task
force.
The
I
RTF
deals
with
things
that
may
not
be
real.
Quite
yet.
It
is,
for
example,
the
late
hour
and
networking
was
about.
A
How
do
you
deal
with
interplanetary
networks?
For
example,
the
the
research
groups
are
well
I'm,
sorry
and
there's
also
one
other
which
is
sort
of
weird,
which
is
the
crypto
research
forum,
which
deals
with
cryptography
and
getting
things
approved
for
algorithms
and
things
like
that.
They
generally,
they
generally
need
at
this
meeting
as
well.
A
Unlike
the
IETF,
the
research
groups
are
by
member
are
have
different
membership
rules.
You
generally
have
to
apply
to
to
join
and
the
approvals
by
the
chairs
permission
you
pay
again
depending
on
the
individual
researcher.
You
are
welcome
to
attend
the
sessions
here.
Ok,
but
in
many
cases
the
membership
of
the
thing
is
closed,
so
you
go
and
listen
to
the
whole
thing.
A
Newcomers
page,
have
you
all
seen
this,
hopefully
by
now.
Ok,
this
is
where
you
want
to
go
just
to
see
the
previous
newcomers
briefing
like
I,
said
the
history
of
everything
going
on
tools
page
when
you
get
around
to
doing
internet-drafts
when
you're
trying
to
get
something
submitted.
That's
where
you
want
to
go
jabber.
A
A
Okay,
so
you
have
an
opportunity.
You
should
point
them
at
this.
Okay,
it's
a
it's
a
way
for
your
husband's
wife's
kids,
whatever
to
get
together
and
with
other
people
who
are
basically
just
going.
What
the
hell
am
I
doing
when
my
husband,
wife
or
somebody
else
is
sitting
here,
so
we've
got
a
pretty
decent
Companion
program,
giving
them
point
this
to
them
and
they
can
make
arrangements
to
meet
up
with
other
people
in
the
same
situation.
So,
okay,
newcomers
meet
and
greet
is
I.
Think
at
four
o'clock
today
you
are
all
invited.
A
B
A
Con
sets
up
an
opportunity
for
you
to
get
together
with
other
newcomers
and
go
off
informally
and
meet
and
have
a
dinner.
She
set
something
up
and
I
believe
it's
still
at
eight
o'clock
on
monday,
so
send
an
email
to
her.
She
figured
out
is
nalani
in
here.
Okay,
there
is
a
mentoring
program,
for
this
has
how
many
of
you
have
signed
up
for
mentoring.
All
right.
Actually,
that's
good!
Okay,
if
you
don't
do
it
now,
it
may
be
worthwhile
to
do
the
next
time.
A
You're
here
the
mentoring
sessions
start
right
after
this,
it's
again
more
detailed
one
on
one
type
things.
So:
okay,
local
cautions.
This
changes
every
time.
I
do
the
slides,
mostly
I,
think
you're,
pretty
good
here
on
the
only
ones
I
actually
found.
When
I
went
looking
on,
we
do
have
the
protests
going
on
just
be
aware.
If
you
get
out
of
this
area,
I
think
most
of
them
are
far
far
like
two
miles
away.
So
we
should.
You
should
be
fine
on
this
one.
A
The
second
one
was
weird,
but
it
was
something
I
got
on
three
different
websites
just
be
aware
that
there
are
some
controls
on
public
speech
in
the
country,
especially
with
respect
to
North,
Korea
and
finally
watch
your
step
watch
your
stuff.
We
don't
want
you
to
lose
your
bags,
we
don't
mind
using
computers.
We
are
mostly
an
honest
group
but
sorry
deal
where.
A
Okay,
so
this
would
normally
be
the
end
of
the
presentation.
In
fact,
it
was
the
end
of
the
presentation.
Last
time
and
I
really
went
through
this
very
fast
sorry,
networking,
okay,
I'm
glad
you
all
mostly
stayed
off
your
computer's.
Some
of
you
didn't
I,
see
you
out
there.
Okay,
the
IETF
runs
the
network
in
this
hotel
for
the
entire
time
is
here,
unlike
any
other
conference
I've
seen,
we
basically
take
over
the
entire
thing.
Everything
top
to
bottom
belongs
to
us.
A
The
only
thing
we
can't
swap
out
or
the
ape
are
the
access
points
on
the
on
the
guest
floors,
but
the
back
end
of
it
is.
We
have
a
network
that
is
pretty
much
second
to
none
with
respect
to
backhaul,
so
you're
going
to
see
a
wireless
SIDS,
ietf
IETF
hotel,
IETF
vb6
only
things
on
those
lines,
the
non-secure
ones.
You
just
connect
and
you're
good
to
go.
The
secure
one
like
IETF
hotel,
doesn't
actually
have
a
password
or
doesn't
have
any
security.
A
Ietf
is
actually
you
log
in
and
it'll
pop
up
at
wpa2,
the
and
it'll
be
user.
Id
I
ETF
password
IETF,
pretty
straightforward.
So
you
shouldn't
have
any
problem
getting
on.
If
you
do
have
problems,
the
terminal
room
has
people
who
can
help
you
and
they
are
on
the
this
for
okay
yeah
anyway,
like
I
said.
A
Jabber
I
mentioned
this
really
briefly,
but
it's
actually
a
really
important
thing
when
you've
got
when
you're
sitting
in
a
room
with
well,
for
example,
the
plenary,
a
thousand
people
having
everybody
trying
and
talk
is
difficult,
but
sometimes
you
just
need
to
have
an
answer
to
a
question.
Jabbar
is
the
chat
room
associated
with
a
working
group
meeting.
So
almost
every
meeting
every
working
group
meeting
you're
in
is
going
to
have
a
chat.
Jabber
chat
room
with
that
name
in
it.
The
working
group
name
in
jabiru,
ETF
torg
go
ask
the
the
chair.
A
If
you
don't
know
what
it
is,
what
the
what
the
actual
jabber
name
is
there,
if
you
don't
know
what
Java
is
its
extensible
multi
of
sorry,
extensible
multi
presence
protocol
messaging
presence.
Well,
thank
you.
I
I
wrote
these
things
a
while
back,
so
it's
kind
of
kind
of
keep
track.
Easiest
thing
to
do
is
go
here
and
try
out
a
couple
of
clients.
I
can't
give
you
any
more
guidance
than
that,
because
what
works
for
one
person
doesn't
work
for
another.
The
clients
are
all
over
the
place
in
quality.
A
If
you've
got
somebody
around
you,
that's
on
the
same
type
of
machine
is
yours.
That
seems
to
be
doing.
Okay,
ask
them
what
they're
using
and
try
it
okay.
You
can
also
sit
register
for
an
account
that'll.
Give
you
some
guidance
on
where
you
can
get
an
account
for
it
again,
really
useful.
If
you're
sitting
there
and
you're
having
problems
understanding
what
somebody's
saying
you
can
go,
what
the
heck
did,
he
just
say,
and
you
will
get
an
answer
back
from
somebody
who's
in
the
room
going.
A
A
What
happened
last
time
was
kind
of
amusing
I
and
in
fact
this
is
problematic,
because
I've
never
had
a
survey
where
they
said
is
meeting
too
long
to
short
or
just
right
and
I
got
nothing
on
the
two
long
side.
So
it's
too
short
and
just
right.
So
hopefully
I
have
given
you
enough
information
and
haven't
over
haven't
spoken
to
quickly
part
of
it.
I
did
apologize
for
if
I
have
spoken
too
quickly,
I'm
literally
trying
to
keep
my
voice
from
from
from
dying
I
can
answer
a
few
questions.
A
C
A
D
Hi
Jake
Holland
I
was
curious.
You
mentioned
a
couple
of
sort
of
times.
Don't
present
stupid
ideas,
you
know
don't
so.
I
was
just
curious.
What
the
sort
of
incidence
rate
is
of
companies
trying
to
push
a
stupid
idea
with
the
attack
and
and
how?
What
are
the
countermeasures,
and
how
often
does
this
come
up
with
the
sensitivity
level
I
mean.
A
Over
the
30
years,
I've
been
doing
this,
it's
it
about
every
two
years.
You
get
a
you,
get
a
kind
of
an
impulse
of
those
types
of
things,
mostly
it
it
happens,
and
then
it
goes
away.
Occasionally
we
get
strange
things
like
the
ITU
versus
the
IETF,
with
mpls,
for
example,
but
again
I
IV.
Let
me
let
me
let
me
say
this:
it's
I
don't
mean
to
say
you
shouldn't
bring
up
an
idea,
because.
A
A
Did
I
actually
pass
by
that
I'm?
Sorry,
you
mean
right
here.
Okay,
mostly,
is
this
something
you
don't
need
to
need
worry
about
for
this
meeting,
the
IETF
picks
its
own,
or
it
picks
its
own
managers.
It
selects
its
area,
directors
and
chairs
through
a
process
called
the
nominations
committee
process.
There
is
a
set
of
rfcs.
A
If
you
want
to
read
on
it,
this
turns
out
to
be
the
the
the
third
meeting
of
every
year
tends
to
be
the
meeting
at
which
the
non-con
meets
to
talk
to
candidates
and
and
figure
out
who
they're
going
to
select
for
the
next
go-around,
with
respect
to
area
directors
for
area
treacherous,
the
iesg,
the
internet
architecture
board
and
the
internet,
art
internet,
administrative
oversight,
guys
these
are
good
by
the
way.
These
guys
are
the
guys
who
are
the
thankless
guys.
A
We
have
they're
responsible
for
dealing
with
managing
the
process
of
contracting
for
things
for
for
the
thing
they
don't
Matt,
they
don't
do
the
contracting
themselves
or
their
they're
sort
of
the
guys
who
figure
out
where
the
meanings
are
going
to
go.
What
types
of
services
we
need
as
the
IETF
and
things
along
those
lines.
A
A
Anyone
else
anybody
asleep
was
that
useful,
I
hope,
hey,
please
go
out
and
standardized
please
enjoy
yourselves.
Do
come
to
the
like
I
said:
do
come
to
the
newcomers,
brief,
do
introduce
yourself,
walk
up
to
anybody,
say
hi
I'm
such
and
such
and
I
really
would
like
to
talk
to
you
about
such
and
such
okay.
In
the
newcomers
area,
there
will
be
I
believe
there
are
tables
with
those
types
of
things
on
them.